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angie markiewicz (68.210.51.123)
| | Posted on Monday, May 31, 2004 - 10:07 pm: | 
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From my understanding my ggrandmother was in the Eastern Stars and at her funeral they came all dressed up in formal and did some kind of ceremony over her casket. Is there any one that could help me understand this type of group and what they were doing?? |
Anonymous (64.63.230.235)
| | Posted on Tuesday, June 01, 2004 - 3:56 am: |
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Hello, I don't know much about it, but you can find out by going to google.com and type in the keywords "order of the eastern star" Good luck! |
Anonymous (68.119.47.6)
| | Posted on Tuesday, June 08, 2004 - 12:05 pm: |
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isnt eastern star the womens group of the masons |
YahshuaSaves (64.12.117.20)
| | Posted on Tuesday, June 08, 2004 - 6:56 pm: |
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I believe that the esatern star is connected with satanism...look at the upside down star on the graves and look up mason's and the higher ordre of masons...like the 37th and above practiced a form of witchcraft. They drank something out of skulls. Teir are oaths and the oaths brought curses and perhaps your grandmother did or did not know better but you will have to research Masons and history and th4 evil that they are associated with. The female masons and Illumanitti may be connected. It has been a while since I have researched this.... |
YahshuaSaves (64.12.117.20)
| | Posted on Tuesday, June 08, 2004 - 6:58 pm: |
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Yahshua can be found in the New Covenant in the bible...Jesus name in Hebrew will show you the answer...look it up... |
angiemarkeiewicz (68.210.13.161)
| | Posted on Sunday, June 13, 2004 - 12:34 pm: |
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I am a christian, Jesus is my Lord and Savior. So there is no worry in my walk with the Lord concerning my walk with the Lord. I have spent time in cults and know how the they decieve people. I just wanted to understand more of family history and what my grandmother was in. Some knowledge helps. |
TruthSeaker (64.12.117.20)
| | Posted on Sunday, June 13, 2004 - 9:05 pm: |
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Angie,
I am overjoyed about your faith...I am not worried but I have become aware that the eastern star has association with masons. The masons make oaths. Oaths are a curse. They have strange practices. They drink out of skulls and have some "secret teachings" that are not biblical. There may even be a connection with KKK but you will have to do the research. Some witchcraft involved. I do not know enough about the eastern star but when I did start to look up masons and eastern star then KKK came up as well as Illuminati. They are all satanic in origins. It is easy to break a curse even from your grandmother. Pray the protection of ministerung angels protect you and may the hand of the most high Yahshua lead you to the fullness of truth. |
Skardicus (66.68.85.153)
| | Posted on Monday, June 14, 2004 - 11:41 am: |
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Hi Angie,
My Grandmother was a Worthy Matron of Eastern Star and I was fortunate enough to see some of their public events. I remember as a boy going to the Friday Night pot luck dinners and even met a few other children of Masons and Eastern Starians.
Modern Masons and Eastern Star (one of the female compliments of Free Masonry)members represent people of like minds that wish to participate in community. I read through the responses you were given and I thought some of them were sensational.
One of the concepts of Free Masonry is "architect of society" - which means they wish to help shape how things like government impact what is imporant to the individual member - family, prosperity, even "the American way".
You will discover that most Presidents were Freemasons, that most Judges are. Of course there are those with their conspiracy theories that will connect the dots and show you how these people were "evil". My Grandmother wasn't evil. She went to a Methodist church religiously, she participated in charities and she gave her time and interest to those that could benefit from such a thing.
When my Grandfather died, the Eastern Star ladies filled the house with food and support and "sat wit her" to give her comfort. The Freemasons of course did their ceremony for Grandpa and I'm grateful that he belonged to something real enough that folks would remember him and honor him even in death.
When I was a kid I remember the pictures of the "past" members with the black band on one corner of the frame.
Just to make a point - I was a Boy Scout when I was a boy - and Boy Scouts used lots of symbols and have lots of rituals as well. Boy Scouts have a similiar bent (for young men and boys) to become aware of community and how you can participate in it and to become a "strong" participant.
A historical note and I'll be through. The Freemasons of France were integral in overthrowing the Monarchy that allowed their people to starve and die from diseases. The ended the severe tyranny with their "architecting of society". The French Revolution happened shortly after The American Revolution.
And of course The American Revolution was navigated by Freemasons. The question I ask you or any poster is this - Do you love the country that these Masons helped us toward today - or do you wish that we had failed in our quest for freedom all those years ago that was prompted by religious persecution and a desire to own land and have your own life?
I'm sure the Freemasons have made their mistakes, perhaps have even done some infamous things. However to know something about them is to be around them. I've been around them and it sounds like you have too Angie.
Skardicus |
Anonymous (68.103.140.88)
| | Posted on Sunday, June 27, 2004 - 1:28 am: |
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Hi.
I come from generations of Masons and Eastern Stars. I'm not an Eastern Star, myself. (in fact, I'm the only one to 'break the chain' so to speak...at least so far, who knows, I may become one someday).
Masons and Eastern Stars are very charitable and honest, God-fearing people. In fact, the Bible is used in their ceremonies, this I know for a fact as I've been to several ceremonies of both.
They are NOT Satanists, nor evil nor Illuminati or any of those things.
A family member or friend of a Mason or Eastern Star will never be deserted in any time of need or trouble. In fact, I was always told to call the local Masons, Eastern Star or Shriners (who fund the best burn/cripple hospitals and is FREE to the patients (must be under 18 to be a patient).
The 'upside down star' you talk about, is a symbol used in MANY cultures and religions, not just Wicca or Satanism. It does NOT represent evil in Eastern Star, in fact represents symbols and characters from the Bible!
I'm not saying every Eastern Star, Mason or Shriner is 100% perfect, just like nobody or group is, but one needs to have some knowledge and experience on a topic/group before they start assuming they're 'evil' and 'satanic' etc. |
Anonymous (69.242.21.100)
| | Posted on Friday, July 02, 2004 - 6:55 pm: |
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if they were God fearing they would follow God .their rituals are occult related. good deeds won't get anybody to heaven. people must repent of their sins receive Gods grace thru Jesus Christ and get free |
Anonymous (69.143.213.247)
| | Posted on Monday, July 05, 2004 - 1:40 am: |
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I don't hear of Masons abusing children like so many of the "Christian" ministers. |
Anonymous (68.103.140.88)
| | Posted on Friday, July 09, 2004 - 11:26 pm: |
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Very good point, Anon 69.143!
Most Eastern Stars,Masons and Shriners are all very active in their own religions adn they do pray. Their rituals are NOT occult-related, and as I said, most of the words in those ceremonies are based in some part on a message (or character) from the BIBLE.
You judge blindly, Anon 69.242. |
rosicruciandefender (213.122.215.127)
| | Posted on Wednesday, July 21, 2004 - 12:16 pm: |
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I thouroughly agree. As a practising Rosicrucian I find it bizzarre that so many 'Christians' spout the most ridiculous dogma regarding traditional and initiatic orders. Satanism is by nature wholly individualistic and nihilstic - look at Anton LaVey's Church of Satan for example. I hardly think it would be in the nature of a Satanist to provide help to the needy and perform charitable functions. And frankly, in response to the original accusations of Satanism in the Order of the Eastern Star, I find the concept of your Grandmother slipping out to worship Satan with other old ladies somewhat laughable and almost wholly incredible. |
GodsServant (64.12.117.20)
| | Posted on Thursday, August 26, 2004 - 12:38 am: |
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I say to all those who believe that Freemasonry is good in nature are truly in need of enlightenment. There are so many Secret Societys and I cant even begin to tell you all of them....they range from, Illuminati...which in some ways, could be considered to be skull and bones ralated.... also Masonic Societys such as Order of the Eastern Star....which is linked to the husband of whom is a Shriner(which came from the ancient Order of the Knights Templar.) One would have to ask him or herself why do these groups have no windows in their meeting buildings....most also do not know the real purpose of the different degrees in masonry, but in this case it keeps most from knowing the whole truth which in my own opinion is confusion...and what is confusion exactly????? i say its demonic because The real and true God would never create confusion.. God has always been the light and in no way been a part of darkness or secrets....He himself has given us the Holy Bible... not the holy bible that masons take part in... I suggest that each looking to take part in these societys or whom that are in need of learning take a better look at the inside instead of what your seeing on the outside...because humans have always been weak on judgeing outwardly we fall into traps which even the devil at the beginning had eve to fall into.. he has enslaved so many just because of their lack of knowledge....God said that Man perishes for his lack of knowledge...So i encourage all to study and to reasearch deeply these societys because what they are keeping from you are the most important aspects which will lead everyone who participates to The Bottomless Pit(aka. HELL). |
GodsServant (64.12.117.20)
| | Posted on Thursday, August 26, 2004 - 1:05 am: |
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So many are in need of enlightenment.. many need to look on the inside of these groups instead of the outside.....humans have been a weak species in judgeing because we always tend to be fasinated by the looks outwardly..truly all secret societys are ungodly and are following the ways of Baal(aka.. satan,lucifer,devil,set,,and so many other names.) God would never confuse someone, and this confusion that these groups are causeing speak for themselves as coming from Demonic in form... God has given us the Holy Bible, but not the one that Masons use...please do not get these books mixed up...they are completly diffent in nature.. Freemasonry is a Religion within itself.. even God said that Man perishes for the lack of knowledge...so, i say to all those who need help in understanding these societys need to research, and ask God for understanding/wisdom. If one would read the Bible they might also unravel alot of mysteries such as UFOs. Jesus said that ( But as the days of noah were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.Matthew24-37.. what do i get from this???...i see that there were giants during those days, because angels mingled with the daughters of men...so shall this end time be ...angels are now coming and abducting people.
who knows what time will bring in the near future...so i want all who will read this to realize that the time is now at hand, so be ready....God said he would come as a thief in the night..so be ready.....I know that i might have taken enough of your time, but if i could say more i would link these Societys farther back than anyone had ever thought of, and give u proof of their intentions. Revelations says that the stars fall to the earth...could this be UFOs? angels?????? just think about it... |
unon (68.119.205.144)
| | Posted on Thursday, August 26, 2004 - 9:06 am: |
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since the masonic order has cultic and ocultic practices and take oaths which the BIBLE forbids stay away from all of them |
Anonymous (152.163.101.12)
| | Posted on Thursday, September 30, 2004 - 7:23 pm: |
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I am a friend of a mason and I have no understanding of the masons/eastern stars. I am interested in learning all that I can about them. Where would I begin in my search for knowledge? Is a mason able to marry outside of the org.? |
GodsServant (152.163.101.12)
| | Posted on Thursday, September 30, 2004 - 7:33 pm: |
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Anonymous (152.163.101.12),
I suggest you check out the link(board) here at factnet: Secret Societies
I have posted lots of information on such Groups if you are interested. Ill bring your attention to lots of ideas that you may not know of.
GOD BLESS |
tullie (68.119.37.147)
| | Posted on Thursday, September 30, 2004 - 9:55 pm: |
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although the masons do a good work they are a ocultic bunch and should be avoided |
Anonymous (141.110.19.59)
| | Posted on Wednesday, October 20, 2004 - 1:52 pm: |
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I don't know any Masons or Eastern Stars. But what does it matter what they pratice. I am not a religious person but a very spiritual one. I believe that some of the most hippocritical people on this planet claim to be saved. Some Catholic Preist molest male children. Some Muslims eat more pork than I do. Some "satanist" were choir & altar boys when they were younger (see Marilyn Manson. It doesn't matter what they believe as long as what you believe is thast there is only one god and that there will come a day of judgement for everyone you'll be all right. I'm 19. I know alot of girls who go to church 3-4 days a week. And you know what. They're 16 with 2 & 3 kids and not married. And I don't go to church at all. I'm still a virgin I don't drink, smoke, or do drugs. The reason why I don't go to church is because for some reason to me, if you were to put a preacher and a pimp in a black suit and stand them next to each other and try to guess their profession by their articulation you would not be able to tell them apart. What religion you follow doesn't matter. As long as you understand that there is someone who watches over you at all times, you in the good. |
djnavii (64.4.221.227)
| | Posted on Wednesday, October 20, 2004 - 2:03 pm: |
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"Masons and Eastern Stars are very charitable and honest, God-fearing people."
Solomon said that there is not ONE who does good that Sins NOT. So their charity is moot.
The Fact is this, Mason, Eastern Stars, Rosicrucions, Thules, Illimunati, etc. are all based on sorcery. Not of God, just that simple, their symbolism speaks volumes, more than their words.
Satanic? Not so much as demonic. |
cheryl (64.12.117.12)
| | Posted on Thursday, October 21, 2004 - 10:25 pm: |
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I would also be very interested in knowing a little about the Eastern Stars. My great grandmother was one in Virginia and was some type of officer. She played someone named Rufus in some ceremony they do. My mother is unable to shed any light on this group because her mother told her it was satanic. All I do know about current activities of the local group is that they seem to have lots of potluck luncheons. |
GodsServant (205.188.117.11)
| | Posted on Thursday, October 21, 2004 - 10:38 pm: |
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I will say this; they have alot of secrets which many will never know!
†GOD BLESS |
trentwoodard (trentwoodard)
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Post Number: 230
Registered: 1-2005
Posted From: 68.115.188.220
| | Posted on Friday, January 21, 2005 - 6:11 am: |
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Freemasonry:
Mankind's Death Wish
By Henry Makow PhD
1-16-5
Architects of Deception, a 600-page history of Freemasonry by
Estonian writer Jyri Lina offers profound insight into the true
character of modern history.
Essentially, a dominant segment of society has joined the Jewish
financial elite by embracing Freemasonry, a satanic philosophy that
represents a death wish for Western civilization. They imagine they
will profit from the carnage and suffering caused by their "New
World Order."
Incredible, bizarre and depressing as it sounds, Lina writes that
300 mainly Jewish banking families have used Freemasonry as an
instrument to subvert, control and degrade the Western world.
This view is consistent with the 1938 NKVD interrogation of an
Illuminati member who names many of these banking families. See my
two-part "Rothschild Conducts Red Symphony"
http://www.savethemales.ca/000275.html
Based on the archives of the powerful French Grand Orient Lodge,
captured in June 1940 and later made public by the Russians, Lina
details how Freemasonry conspired for world domination and
orchestrated all major revolutions and wars in the modern era.
(Lina, p.332)
Masons, often Jewish, are responsible for communism, Zionism,
socialism, liberalism (and feminism.) They love big government
because it is the ultimate monopoly. "World government"
(dictatorship) is the final trophy. This is the vision behind 9-11
and the "War on Terror."
These "world revolutionary" movements all mirror Lucifer's rebellion
against the laws of God and nature, which is at the heart of
Freemasonry. They ensnare millions of gullible idealists by
promising a utopia based on materialism and "reason" and dedicated
to "liberty, equality and fraternity," "public ownership" or some
other idealistic-sounding claptrap. It's called bait-and-switch.
According to Lina: "The primary aim of modern freemasonry is to
build the New World Order, a spiritual Temple of Solomon, where non-
members are nothing but slaves [and] ...where human beings would be
sacrificed to Yahweh." (52)
Lina cites numerous Jewish sources that claim Freemasonry is based
on Judaism and is "the executive political organ of the Jewish
financial elite." (81-83)
The common goal of Masonic-inspired movements is to undermine race,
religion, nation and family ("all collective forces except our own")
by promoting social division, self indulgence and "tolerance" i.e.
miscegenation, atheism, nihilism, global-ism, sexual "liberation"
and homosexuality which reduce humanity to a uniform dysfunctional
and malleable mush.
Lina and others who attempt to alert humanity to its real condition
are routinely slandered as anti Semitic, fascist, and right
wing "haters" by people employed by the bankers.
This tactic shields the conspirators from scrutiny and makes
discussion of our grim predicament impossible.
I am a Jew. I am not part of this banking monopoly, nor is the
majority of Jews. By way of analogy, the mafia is considered to be
mostly Italian but most Italians do not belong to the mafia.
Italians don't viciously attack opponents of organized crime and
call them "racists" and "hate mongers". That would look awfully
suspicious. Jews compromise themselves by defending the Masonic
bankers and their perverse vision for mankind.
My four grandparents perished in the Jewish holocaust. I demand to
know the real reason they were murdered. London-based Masonic
bankers and their cronies brought Hitler to power in order to
provoke war, control Stalin, and justify the creation of Israel.
They betrayed non-Zionist Jews and let them perish. They are using
the Jewish people in the same way they are using the Masons. (See
my "Zionism: Compulsory Suicide for Jews"
http://www.savethemales.ca/091202.html)
THE ILLUMINIST CONSPIRACY
We cannot understand the modern world unless we appreciate that it
is the product of the Masonic conspiracy. People scoff yet the
evidence stares them in the face every day.
The Great Seal of the United States on every dollar bill is a
Masonic symbol. There are 33 steps on the side of the pyramid
representing the 33 degrees of Freemasonry. The Masons established
the United States as a base to advance their goal of world supremacy.
Similarly, the emblem of the United Nations is also a Masonic
symbol. The world is caught in a grid consisting of 33 spaces
surrounded by acacia leaves, which signifies intense activity in
masonry. (215)
Three-quarters of US president in the Twentieth Century were high-
level Masons. Both Bush and Kerry are Masons (Skull and Bones.) FDR,
Churchill, Lenin, Trotsky and Stalin were masons. Most Zionist
leaders were and are Masons. Gerhard Schroeder, Jacques Chirac and
Tony Blair are Freemasons. So is Sadaam Hussein, which suggests the
Iraq war could be a sadistic charade.
There are over six million Masons in 32,000 lodges around the world
including 2.5 million in the US. In 1929, 67% of Members of Congress
were Masons. There are 360,000 Masons in England. More than five per
cent of British judges are Masons.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/211677.stm
Lina believes that "Freemasonry plays the same role in Western
society as the Communist Party did in the Soviet Union. Without
belonging to the freemasonry there is no chance of a fast career,
regardless of how talented one is."
He says Freemasons control virtually every sector of Western
society, including science and culture. "The present cultural life
has become virtually unconscious," he writes. "We have witnessed the
beginning of cultural senility." (333)
In his pamphlet "The Open Conspiracy: Blueprint for a World
Revolution" (1929) the Freemason H.G. Wells describes an "open
secret society" consisting of society's leading men operating as a
hidden force to secure world resources, reduce population through
war and replace the nation state with world dictatorship. (340)
MASONIC IDEOLOGY
Human beings are naturally attracted to good and repulsed by evil.
Thus evil always represents itself as good. To the public, and its
own lower ranks, Freemasonry pretends to be dedicated to "making
good men better", charity, humanism, tolerance, Christianity and you-
name-it.
If this were true, would they have to extract vows of secrecy from
members on pain of slitting their throat? Would they have been
condemned by many Popes and banned from numerous countries? (84)
I do not wish to impugn the many decent and good men in the
lower "Blue Degrees" who are unaware of Freemasonry's true function
and character. But there is abundant evidence and testimony that
Freemasonry is in reality a satanic cult dedicated to the worship of
death. (134-138)
For example, when the Italian Grand Orient Lodge was evicted from
the Palazzio Bourghese in Rome in 1893, the owner found a shrine
dedicated to Satan. The Italian freemasons published a newspaper in
the 1880's where they admitted time and again, "Our leader is
Satan!" (135)
The Masons also admit to a revolutionary political agenda. Typical
of statements Lina cites from Masonic publications is the following
from a German magazine in 1910:" The driving thought is at all times
focused on destruction and annihilation, because the power of this
great secret society can only rise from the ruins of the existing
order of society." (272)
CONCLUSION
The Illuminist Conspiracy is the brake responsible for humanity's
arrested development. Mankind resembles a patient suffering from a
serious disease and gradually sinking into a coma.
Jyri Lina has written a courageous book to revive us. He says we
face "the largest spiritual crisis in the history of mankind...They
have taken our history, our dignity, our wisdom and our honour,
sense of responsibility, spiritual insights and our traditions."
We are partly to blame, he says: "We have failed to act against the
Masonic madness due to our enormous gullibility. We have been
totally fooled and ignored the warning signals." (274)
He ends on a hopeful note, saying evil is inevitably destroys
itself. "Freemasonry carries within it the seeds of its own
destruction." (563)
That seems to be our best hope since the public is too feckless and
weak to resist.
Note: Architects of Deception can be purchased for US$50 by emailing
Jyri Lina at
jyrilina@y...
The book also contains much gossipy nuggets such as Hitler had a
son; Lenin was a homosexual; Castro is Jewish and a
multimillionaire; and Henry Kissinger was/is a Soviet agent! He says
the Jehovah Witnesses, Mormons as well as Rotary and Lion's Clubs
were all founded by freemasons. Golf was invented by Masons and has
special importance for them.
See also "Masonic Bible Used at Presidential Inaugurations"
http://www.catholicnews.com/data/stories/cns/0500250.htm
See also my "Making the World Safe...for Bankers"
http://www.savethemales.ca/280802.html
Henry Makow Ph.D. is the inventor of the board game Scruples and the
author of "A Long Way to go for a Date." His articles exposing
Feminism and the New World Order appear on his web site
www.savethemales.ca. He enjoys receiving your comments at
henryatsavethemales.ca Some may be posted on his web site using
first names only. |
bigboy (bigboy)
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Username: bigboy
Post Number: 46
Registered: 12-2004
Posted From: 66.79.54.75
| | Posted on Friday, January 21, 2005 - 11:07 pm: |
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From the history that I have read secret societies such and freemasonry, the kkk and neo nazis are all children of the illuminati. According to an ex roman catholic jesuit priest (alberto rivera) these societies have been set up in an effort to gain control of governments throughout the world in an effort to restore the mother church (vatican) to its former glory. The history on this is entirely extensive. It took mw 2 weeks to read through and I did not check out all of the references given (just to give you an idea). Go to google and type in albert rivera and use his testimony as a starting point for your research. This will prove to be very interesting and you will even learn a little church history. God Bless |
trentwoodard (trentwoodard)
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Post Number: 236
Registered: 1-2005
Posted From: 68.115.188.220
| | Posted on Friday, January 21, 2005 - 11:36 pm: |
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Ah, I am glad to see you have done some homework grasshopper.....
This should show you how powerful the Illuminati is and that it is not some science fiction conspiracy theory after all.
Yes, they would even try to contol their enemies and have them doing their bidding while thinking they are doing their own. Kind of reminds you of women doesn't it?
Read the Art of War
http://www.pokerface.com |
onlyme (onlyme)
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Posted From: 129.196.226.11
| | Posted on Friday, February 04, 2005 - 2:46 pm: |
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My Dad is a Mason and my Mom is in Eastern Star. Years ago, my Mom pressured me into joining Eastern Star. I did so because I was a little curious about it, and didn't want to disappoint Mom -it seemed so important to her. Had I been older and more observant, I would have declined, because the order now seems to me so contrived. Meetings consist largely of pomp and ceremony, with a lot of circumambulation, symbolic signs and sayings, singing, and formal introductions of members. Eastern Star meetings cannot be held without a man present (a Mason), and women are not allowed to wear pants, which grates against my sensibilities. Yes, they are good people for the most part, and do good work. Certainly, it's the brightest part of many members' lives, as they may not get out of the house much otherwise, or find such a ready circle of friends elsewhere. So it brings much pleasure to many, and supports some good charities as well.
But I can't help feeling that one motivation for joining is a desire for the thrills of power and secrecy. To wear ritualistic clothing and jewelry, to recite secret words in unison, to be addressed in a formal manner, to show off your knowledge of ritual, to have others bow to you…all this smacks of a base human desire for power and control. If you can't get it in your regular life, you make up a way to get it.
The whole secrecy thing seems silly, too. It has roots in the knowledge of architecture and masonry that in ancient times was shared only with masters in the crafts, lest unqualified workers be paid master's wages. I've also heard it's a way for the order to continue in secret if the government went sour and tried to stamp out such organizations. But the secrecy thing bugs me because I believe the greatest truths are not and should not be considered secrets. They should be part of everyday life, demonstrated and shared freely. Masons would argue that they do demonstrate their truths through citizenship, charity, brotherly love, etc.; but the secrecy just seems so unnecessary, and a little silly to me.
However, in all fairness, is there a difference between the enjoyment of pomp and ceremony and other pastimes, say, baseball or music or home improvement projects? We're all wired to enjoy different things. Many people sincerely enjoy the Masons and Eastern Star, and find much spiritual meaning in the ceremonies and rituals. I can appreciate and respect that.
From a Christian perspective, the Masons and Eastern Star should be avoided. Not because they worship satan, but because they believe the gods of all religions are just different interpretations of the same god (which may be the same as satanism, in some Christian minds). Masonry and the belief that salvation comes only through the Lord Jesus Christ are not compatible. A good site for details on this is www.ephesians5-11.org/.
That Eastern Star adopted the inverted pentagram as their symbol is quite strange. As you may know, this symbol is used in satanic cults. The Masons claim that use of this symbol by satanists came late in the symbol's history (http://freemasonry.bcy.ca/anti-masonry/pentagram.html). Within the symbol is the acronym FATAL, which stands for "Fairest among thousands, altogether lovely". The word "fatal" is intended to remind initiates that it would be fatal to their character to divulge the secrets of the order.
Personally, I want to stay away from Easter Star because I simply don't enjoy it. I've gone to a few special meetings, such as Installations and Honor Nights, only out of respect for my parents. Members are always pressuring me to come more often, and my husband gets a lot of pressure to join the Masons, especially from my Dad. We politely tell them we don't have time right now, but they persist. I really want to tell my parents I won't come to any more meetings, and won't pay dues anymore. Hopefully, I can do this before the next Installation! |
pokerkidz (pokerkidz)
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Posted From: 209.60.97.79
| | Posted on Sunday, February 13, 2005 - 4:00 pm: |
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Dear trentwoodard
Thanks for our bands link.
How did you hear about us?
paul from poker face
pokeface@pokerface.com |
twistdsista2003 (twistdsista2003)
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It is so amazing to see how ignorant people are. You are living in a day and age where you can find information on anything. Just ask a Mason or Eastern Star member and they will give you information. There are so many rumors about what does and does not happen. The Bible is used in everything we do. Both organizations are involved with community service, helping children--whether it is being a mentor, tutoring or giving out school supplies at the beginning of the school year. We have events for seniors and donate new gifts and money to Children's organizations and other charitable causes. If you don't know your facts, don't scrutinize or talk negative because of your ignorance. I know for a fact, I have sisters and brothers all over that will stop and help me before you because of the bond we have. These organizations are about uplifting the community and promoting good. It is not a religion, although everyone has their own religion or spirituality.
Masons and Eastern Stars are very charitable and honest, God-fearing people. In fact, the Bible is used in their ceremonies and 99% of the information is based on the Bible. We are NOT Satanists, evil or any of those things.
A family member or friend of a Mason or Eastern Star will never be deserted in any time of need or trouble. We will never be without the aid of another brother or sister. They will come in many cases before your own blood relative!! Stop pushing your version of what you believe to be God or the best religion on others. People like "Onlyme" that believe that THEIR God or THEIR religion is the one true thing are brainwashed. Just as there are many races of people and many cultures, so are there many religions that use different texts and use different names for their God. Wake up and realize that you are not living in a fishtank, but a world where you can make choices and have a say about your personal preferences. But, it is unfair to push your religion and your beliefs on others. READ and become knowledgeable before you once again make yourself look like the fool you write like. |
onlyme (onlyme)
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Hey, wait twistdsista, I said nothing about believing "my" God is the only God, or about believing that Masons/Eastern Star are bad. I stated only what some Christians believe (I am Buddhist, btw), and gave a website with this information. Eastern Stars and Masons should look a this stuff to see what they're up against. Please don't accuse me of not reading, because I've spent a fair amount of time researching the Masons and Eastern Star. I just don't enjoy Eastern Star, that's all.
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happyperson (happyperson)
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Hi onlyme and the rest,
can you pleae give me a reason why you do not like Eastern stars? I am still seeing the advantages and disadvantges of Eastern stars. I'm still considering if I should be a member or not.
and for the rest can you tell me why I should enter? (don't just tell me coz of the charity thing only). One can do charity also in his or her everyday life. And what do they really do? What happens if I join and then decide to quit going? Thank you very much,
your sister in Christ. |
onlyme (onlyme)
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Hi Happyperson,
Why join Eastern Star (other than to help charities)?
* To meet others who wish to live by the virtuous tenets common to all religions. You don’t have to believe in the God of a particular religion, only in a "higher power"-Christ, Krishna, Allah, the Raven Spirit, or whatever. So it's kind of like a church, but with much less worship and preaching, and more emphasis on socializing and community service.
* Being in Eastern Star pretty much guarantees you'll always have a group of like-minded "sisters" and "brothers" (Masons) to socialize with and help you in times of need. As with any group, there are some not-so-nice members and those with blind political ambitions; but for the most part you'll be surrounded by nice people. My Mom, who didn't have time to maintain a social network when she was younger, has found a ready group of friends in Star.
* Membership offers chances for building character, self-confidence, leadership and public speaking skills through participation in meetings, ceremonies, and projects. You could become Worthy Matron and run the show at the local Chapter!
* My parents say you can travel just about anywhere in the world and be welcomed by Star sisters and brothers. That would be nice if you moved around a lot.
Why doesn't Eastern Star interest me?
* Most of the women in my Chapter are retired, or never worked, so they have time for all the activities. I work full time, have plenty of other interests, and don't want to take on more.
* Even if I did have time, I don't enjoy all the pomp and ceremony involved in Star. I understand it's supposed to keep members focused on the virtues of the Order and build a sense of sisterhood, but it just isn't for me.
* I don't really enjoy getting all gussied up for Star activities, and would rather be out rock climbing or skiing than sitting through a ceremony in formal attire. Volunteering in these activities is more my style.
If you do join Eastern Star, you don't *have* to go to meetings. The pressure to attend is probably less than at many churches (unless your parents are prodding you, as mine are!). It used to be that only women with a Mason in the family could join, but that may not be the case anymore in some areas. Check with your local Chapter on this.
To join, you'll need to memorize some things and go through an initiation ceremony. You'll be the center of attention during the ceremony, but it's not intended to be physically uncomfortable or humiliating. We're talking about nice old ladies here, not a frat house hazing! You'll also pay dues, which are very affordable ($15/year in my Chapter). I don't remember exactly what happens if you stop paying dues…I don't think they kick you out, but you'd no longer be a member in good standing. Not sure what it takes completely withdraw from Eastern Star, but you could just stop going to meetings if you decide you're not interested.
If you belong to a church, you should check with the leadership there to see how they feel about Eastern Star before deciding to join. Some churches are very much against it.
Hope this helps! |
greensideup (greensideup)
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If you're not a member but your grandparents were, at least you have a little bit of experience. How can you "believe" anything when you haven't met a member, been to a meeting or read the Ritual? We have plenty of public events where all our work is shown except the passwords & handshakes. And you can find Rituals all over the place in used bookstores and on Ebay. Then you can speak from a place of knowledge instead of ignorance. |
greensideup (greensideup)
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P.S. name a frat or sorority that doesn't have secret passwords & handshakes. So, we like to dress elegantly and march around. So do the Knights of Columbus and nobody's calling them Satanic. |
ttofthree (ttofthree)
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First of all let me start off by saying I am an Eastern Star and proud of it. I am an educated, professional woman that comes from a stable family environment. I am married to a wonderful man who would give a stranger his last dime and does not have an evil bone in his body. Yes he is a Mason. I have read what each of you had to say, and let me tell you all I am truly amazed. Being involved in this organization I have herd all the stories of the people who don’t understand what we are about, but this was the first time I actually experienced it for my self. I have had to deal with more evil reading these things than I have ever dealt with being an Eastern Star. I have found; and you have proven me right, that when there are things that people do not understand, it is made to be evil. All of society has good people that go bad and bad people who realize that they have good in them. Many great people are involved with this organization, past and present, you would be surprised. Yes we are based on religious principals, but that is not all we are about. I have had a personal experience being outside the United States and having a problem, and just because of a common thread, an unspoken word a stranger helped us. I would be willing to bet none of you would have noticed me, no the Christians, not the well read scholars, not even the Buddhist. My situation was not even life threatening, but a Mason offered his kindness and he was from another country. I also would like to go on record as saying that I have never seen a human scull in my life, the only things we talk about in our meetings is how to serve our communities and our fellow man. I would beg each of you to actually speak with a Mason or Eastern Star to get a personal account. Keep in mind that a lot of the negative things that are in print, was written by another person who had no understanding. |
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This topic is personal to me, because I am a Job's Daughter and come from a masonic family. To point out some clear points, Freemasonry has ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to do with the occult. I know a lot of people think its interesting to think of it that way, but that is a completely opposite perception of what freemasonry really is. The reason they are so secret is because they believe that the good deeds they do should be secret, so that they do it for others not themselves. They can't boast about what they've done, they can't take credit for their deeds. That is one of the reasons why they are secret. If you met a mason you'd see how truly caring and selfless they really are. The same is with the eastern stars. I hope many of you can realize that freemasonry is a collection of people that work together to make the world a better place. If you are a man of age 18 or older and you believe in any form of a supreme being, you can join the masons and participate in their god-fearing, selfless, actions. Please understand freemasonry and don't judge it if you don't know anything about it. |
jjbean0915 (jjbean0915)
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I come from a long line of Freemasons. Just recently, I finally joined the Order of the Eastern Star. THERE HAS BEEN NO SIGNS OR INDICATIONS THAT THIS GREAT GROUP IS IN ANY WAY PRACTICING OCCULT OR IS SOME FORM OF A CULT. I have been researching the different websites regarding the negativity of this group and every one of these sites are bias and ignorant. It is sad that these people will jump to conclusion and blast a group that is far more historically solid than a lot of these made up religions! |
tonyabramson (tonyabramson)
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Most Masons at lower levels and the women who support them, the Eastern Stars, do not know what the purpose for their organization truly is. Charity, fratenity and good deeds are only surface elements used to recruit people who lack an area of self which they seek through fellowship with others.
If Masons and Eastern Stars believe in GOD then they must believe in Satan. The same goes for Christians, Musilums and Jews. So to say that they are GOD fearing is moot. GOD should be feared! He should also be worshiped, loved, adored and respected because, as proof in the book of Job, no harm can befall man unless it is the will of GOD. Satan himself even fears GOD.
Man's desires and wants has prompted him to seek ease of achievement. Men have long since made packs or deals with Satan (often in secrecy) to make life here on Earth as humans easier. Satan even tried to tempt Jesus in this manner by offering him riches. I find it interesting that I have never seen a Mason in need of material gain, all the Masons and Eastern Stars I know all have nice cars, nice homes and financial stability.
Satan wants GOD to despise man as much as he does so Satan has deceived us and caused mankind to become so very dispicable, turning their backs on GOD so that GOD no longer desires them as a species or being (as in the period per NOAH).
The Masons and Eastern Stars are but subliminal tools of Satan as is the Illuminate, The Knights Templars, Government, the Vatican and other organized religions.
Yes the organization of religion is part of Satan's ploy against GOD. This is evident in the way different denominations of Christians fight with other Christians, and Musilum against Musilums. These groups bicker, quarrel and kill over who best knows GOD.
Mason and Eastern Stars continue to go about being charitable and practicing their rituals and routines all the while strenghtening the cause of God's enemy.
While they may not directly be worshiping Satan their presence alone can be the critical factor in a ritual which calls for a certain number of bodies to be present for ricitations (secrets of which are only known to higher Masons). A man of lower degree could be present at a ritual and not witness the summoning of entities in his very presence because he has not been enlightened to that particular degree.
For example on a football team the Coach knows what every player on the team is capable of doing and uses them based on their strenghts.
Quarterbacks usually know what every player is doing on every offensive play, while the Line man only knows that his job is to block the man in front of him.
The Masons work for Satan in sort of the same manner, Satan is the coach, the 33rd degrees are the quarterbacks and the lower degrees are the linemen.
Charity and good deeds can be conducted individually, a person does not need to be a apart of an organization to give something that is needed. If you see a homeless person and it is in your heart to give then give. For as certain as you think no one was witnessed you do this good thing I assure you that GOD sees all and it is he whom we should strive to impress. |
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First,there are no Masons at lower levels. The highest degree that can be earned is that of the Third and Last Degree or Master Mason. Anything else is purely honorary. And to clarify once again, it is Eastern Star, NOT Eastern Stars. Tony, have you ever been a Freemason or a member of the OES (Eastern Star)? I have and I believe in Jesus Christ, not Satan. The former reigns victorious at the end and the latter loses.
Jeepman
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wyoming (wyoming)
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In Pratical Masonry, you can jump from the 3rd degree to an honorary 32nd degree. In Speculative Masonry, you work and study for one degree per year -- earned degrees. How come you lead us to believe that you don't know this? And are you saying that the Knights Templar, Royal Arch, etc., are all honorary degrees? |
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there are so many of "God-fearing" people making so many comments about what the eastern stars and the masons do. my question is why does it matter? who are you to judge them, they only have one person to worry about and that is God himself. correct me if i am wrong, but in the HOLY BIBLE it says not to judge. i think you people need to look at yourself before you go talking about someone else. besides you are the only person you need to be worrying about, no one else can get you to heaven. THINK ABOUT IT!!! |
wyoming (wyoming)
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Posted From: 67.170.149.175
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By their own actions they bring themselves into God's judgement. How can they escape overwhelming evidence? Bible-believing Christians would like to see them delivered from bondage. I don't want them influencing our children, grand children, and great grand children, nor my life in any direct or indirect way. We don't like what they do to the World we live in. We expose them. If they want to change -- like many have, it's up to them. |
loralie (loralie)
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It saddens me to know there is so much misinformation out there about the Masonic Order and its sister organization, the Order of the Eastern Star. It is estimated that each day, more than $1.4 million is spent on Masonic charities. The Shriner's Hospitals (just one of the charities Masons support) cares for thousands of sick & injured children. They just don't go around tooting their own horns like most organizations of their kind do. Twistdsista is right when saying the family of a Mason will never be deserted in time of need. My father was a Mason, and before he died, as a way of making sure I'd always be cared for, he told me that if I ever needed help, just find a Mason. Because if a man is truly a Mason, I'd have nothing to worry about. I'd like to address a few of the inaccuracies in the previous postings. . .
-There is no 37th degree. The highest degree is the 33rd and it is an honorary degree conferred for exceptional service to the Masonic Order and the ideals for which it stands.
-Masons do NOT practice satanic rituals, drink blood, or force anyone to join. The only way to join the Masonic Order is to ask a Mason. They do not recurit, they do not advertise. To answer the question of the original post, if it hasn't been already, if your grandmother was a member of the Eastern Star, what that means is that she was a family member (mother, wife, daughter, sister, stepdaughter, halfsister, etc) of a Mason. It means she asserted she believed in one God and sought to better herself through helping the community and seeking personal spiritual growth.
-The Masonic Order is the only organization I know of that does not discriminate on basis of religion - a man can be Catholic, Jewish, Baptist, Episcopalian, Jehovah's Witness, Quaker, Penecostal, whatever he chooses. As long as he believes in God, he is welcome.
-An oath is not a curse - it is a promise. Swearing an oath as Truthseaker refers to is no more evil than the oath of office sworn by each and every President of the United States during his inauguration. It is simply saying you promise to do something.
-Those who say "if they want to change, it's up to them", why? Do you want them to stop caring for those less fortunate? To turn their backs on God and their community? To abandon the Biblical teachings upon which Freemasonry is founded? That's not the kind of world I'd want my child to be born into.
-To the person saying he wanted to learn everything he could about the Masons & Eastern Star, you said you have a friend who is a Mason. All you have to do is ask him.
-As to the secrecy so many people believe surrounds these organizations, I ask you, have you ever asked one if its members to explain or simply tell you about them? Don't take for fact the many rumors flying around about them. Get the facts "straight from the horse's mouth" as we say in the South.
In conclusion, Masons are not evil, demonic, satanic. Like I said, my Father was a Mason. My grandfather was a Mason. My aunt was Eastern Star, and so am I. I have nothing but respect for any man who is truly a Mason, who lives by the ideals of basic human goodness they strive toward.
If you are still searching for information, www.freemasoninformation.com is a good source. You may also contact the Grand Chapter in your grandmother's state (that's the governing body for the state, kinda like the state senate works) and they can tell you better how to contact the local organization she belonged to. That way you can find out who the Mason in good standing in your family was who sponsored her - if it's geneology info you're looking for. |
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THIS }}IS A VERY TOUCHY TOPIC IN GENERAL. I WENT THROUGH THE SAME THING WITH MORMANS. YES THEY ARE INDEED A CULT HOWEVER; THEY TRY TO USE CERTAIN PARTS OF SCRIPTURES IN THE BIBLE TO SUPPORT THEIR BELIEFS. THEY SAID THAT THEY BELIEVED IN GOD, COME TO FIND OUT THEIR GOG AND THE GOD THAT I BELIEVE IN ARE DIFFERENT. THEY JUST USE THE TERM AS A WAY OF CONVINCING WITHOUT QUESTIONING. WE BELIEVE IN THE TRINITY, SO DO THEY, HOWEVER THEY BELIEVE THAT THE FATHER, THE SON, AND THE HOLY SPIRIT WERE 3 DIFFERENT PERSONS. THEY ALSO BELIEVED THAT THE HOLY SPIRIT WALKED THE EARTH, AND THAT THEY TOO CAN BECOME GODS THROUGH DEEDS. WHEN CONFRONTED ABOUT THIS THEY ALSO GAVE ME REFERENCES TO LOOK UP AND RESEARCH THAT WERE THEIR OWN. NOT KNOWING THAT I ALREADY HAD MY HANDS ON A COPY OF THEIR BOOK CALLED DOCTRINES AND COVENANTS. FUNNY HOW YOU COULD ONLY GET THAT BOOK FROM ONE OF THEIR BOOK STORES AND YOU HAVE TO ATTAIN A CERTAIN LEVEL TO GET AN IDEBTIFICATION CARD TO BUY IT. MY POINT IS WE ALL BELIEVE IN SOMETHING AND WE DEFEND IT TO THE FULLEST, BUT AT THE END OF THE DAY ONLY ONE GOD IS THE TRUE GOD. IS IT YOURS OR MINE. THERE ARE NO LEVELS OF CHRISTIANITY, NO SECRET RITUALS OR PRAYERS. EVERYBODY IS CAPABLE OF BEING BLESSED WITH THE SAME KNOWLEDGE. NEW AGE MASONS AND THEIR SISTERS ARE IGNORANT TO THE PRACTICES OF THEIR PREDECESSORS. THEY ARE BEING BLINDED BY FLASHY RITUALS AND GOOD DEEDS HAVING NO NEED TO QUESTION HALF OF WHAT THEY ARE ASKED TO DO. THEY ONLY KNOW WHAT THEY ARE BEING TAUGHT AND TOLD.SO ARE THEY WRONG FOR BEING IGNORANT?}}} |
wyoming (wyoming)
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Loralie,
Maybe only 2% of all Masons know what they are really involved in. It appears that all you know about Masonry/Eastern Stars is what their public relations people put together for an air of respectability.
Former Masons have gone against their oaths and exposed the group -- in the old days they were executed. There are clandestine publications of their rituals and secrets. Anyone who purposes to find out what they believe and what they practice... can get ahold of their publications in occult book stores and used book stores. A Google search will provide you with more material than you can read in a lifetime.
Many people respond with emotional prejudice and insist that such things are not so, because they don't know. Like, if a tree falls in the forest and nobody was there to see it, did a tree fall; is there really a forest?
Masons portray themselves as the ulitmate universal unitarian religion. Their own Mackey's Encyclopedia says that they came from gnosticism, mythraism, and manacheanism. Their leading theorician, Albert Pike, author of Morals & Dogma, which every Scottish Rite Mason receives, says that "Masonry is not a religion; Masonry is THE religion." I could give you many page numbers in Morals & Dogma that make this very clear.
There is "Practical Masonry" and there is "Speculative Masonry". After the Blue Lodge, you can join different rites. The Speculative Masonry of the Scottish Rite takes you down the path where you work one degree per year from the 4th degree to the 32nd degree. The teachings are not published except that the initiates accumulate libraries of mystical books, of which a friend of mine bought a whole library of 300 books about 30 years ago from a bookstore that got them from the widow of a top Mason. I have copies of about 400 pages of the juicy stuff, which are the sources of much of the things I am saying here. All the resources are universally available if you care to start with Google or dig them up at used bookstores. |
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I have copies of pages from a book by a Mason named Hill, explaining the meaning of "666". In Hebrew and some other languages there are no separate characters for numbers, the alphabet is also arranged for numbers. The word "shamash" - the SUN, is made up of three consonants (no vowels): shin-mem-shin. They are 300-40-300. It further explains that JHWH is 26, all adding up to "666". One of their secret words is Jeh-Bel-O(n) (Jehovah-Baal-Osiris)which is a reference to their God. In their literature it says that Lucifer is the Light Bringer, in their other literature is says that God is the bringer of light. In another chapter of the same book, the topic refers to many generations of Masons intending to finance the rebuilding of the Temple and making it a gift to the nation of Israel. If you know Bible prophesy, what does this suggest?
Mdme. Maria Petrovna Blavatsky and Amie Besant where the leaders of Theosophy and they were the only known female Masons. Masonry and Theosophy are mutually supportive. Get ahold of a copy of "Secret Teachings of All Ages". I've seen a copy of a membership certificate of Alister Crowley as a 48th degree in the Grand Orient Lodge. This is supposed to be only the tip of the iceburg and Satan is supposed to be the 360th degree of the full circle.
When the new king or queen of England takes their oath of office, they say that they are only sitting on the throne until Christ returns. Masonry has been involved with major revolutions that put down Monachy, especially those controlled by the RCC. Now that may sound good to some of you but don't get trapped. Every form of Christianity has to be put down and all infighting can be taken advantage of.
All this should send a chill down your spine. I feel sorry for the apologists who don't feel any conviction as to the evidence about Masonry. Have fun serving the anti-Christ when he comes! |
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I grew up around Masons, Shriners, and Eastern Star members. I joined Eastern Star five years ago, of my own free will, and it is told to everyone who joins that you are joining of your own free will.
Where all of this talk about satan comes from is people trying to stir up things. I beleive in God and Jesus, and a strong Baptist women. What star does for me, is to put me around people who belive in Charity and Truth. These people will always be there for me, no matter what happens. I have never seen or heard anything about Satan mentioned in anything I have attended.
I think before anyone make's a comment about what they think, they need to take the time and talk to a Mason, Eastern Star member or even one of the teen groups like the Rainbow Girls or the Demolays. Just like any organization they is business that has to be taken care of at each meeting, discussing financial issues, and etc. But, there is a lot of fun in it also. We do things for other people who need assistance. We are not out there preaching to them about their beliefs and what is wrong or right. We are just out there helping people in time of need.
I think if anyone has the chance to join, they should sit down with a Mason or Eastern Star member and ask lots of questions. Everything is up to you as a person, no one is pressured into doing anything.
Like I said above I am a Southern Baptist all the way, and that is the way I believe. If, anyone or group ever tries to change that, I would not be a member. I believe the way the Southern Baptist belive, and that is how I think that God wants everyone to live. But, ever religion belives that what they belive is correct, who am I to tell them they are wrong or who are they to tell me my belife is wrong. That is the one thing about Eastern Star, they never tell anyone that there religion wrong. They just show them that as long as they belive in a Supreme Being, that we accept them for who they are.
Someone stated that all of the lodges that these meetings take place in have no windows. That is very much incorrect. I have been in a lot of them, and at least half of the ones I have been in have windows.
Don't judge until you know all the facts of an orginzation, and remember that everyone has their own opinion. Don't make your opinion until you talk to Masons, Shriners or Eastern Star members. |
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it is a false cult. even though they do a lot og "good" it is to lead people away from the true worship OF GOD JESUS . |
wyoming (wyoming)
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Window dressing with a social gospel! Talking to them doesn't help because they don't know what they are involved in unless they get much much higher up. I've learned about Masonry from their own esoteric publications, which is bad enough -- the real juicy stuff comes by oral tradition and is not in print. This is about evidence. This is not about opinion or belief. |
pamd (pamd)
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 No matter what is said you are going to think what you want to think. Nothing anyone says is going to change your mind. I know the truth, and Eastern Star has nothing to do with Satan. Until you know the truth, and can say that you have seen it with your own eyes, you shouldn't be going around stating what you think is going on. You are like other people, it is something that you know nothing about so it must be evil. There are a lot of organizations, so if I don't know anything about them I am suppose to think they are evil. For someone who apparently thinks they know it all, maybe you need to re-read your bible. You need to get all of your facts, before saying things that you know nothing about.
Both of my grandparents were in Eastern Star, and they were two of the most important people in my life. I know 100% that they never would of been in anything that was associated with Satan, or anyother evil thing. They are the two who helped me before Christians, were there when I accepted the Lord as my SAVIOR. Maybe you need to meet some Mason's or Eastern Star people before you start talking again, and learn the truth. |
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Posted From: 71.14.79.2
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someone had made a reference to Jehovah's Witnesses being a cult and a secret society which is false on both counts! Nothing about it is secret. Anyone at anytime can come to a meeting. ANY meeting!! Get your facts straight because you sound like a bunch of idiots!! |
ezekiel_37
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Username: ezekiel_37
Post Number: 687
Registered: 8-2005
Posted From: 69.192.223.192
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Christ is God! |
catiebq
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Username: catiebq
Post Number: 1
Registered: 4-2006
Posted From: 137.123.201.100
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If you're really interested, go to ebay and buy an Eastern Star Ritual. The upside down star is not a symbol of satan. Each point of the star represents a woman from the bible. In the ritual the story of each woman is told. Each story has a moral lesson to learn from. You can also attend an open meeting. Eastern star may have signs that seems weird. But it's like when you were a young kid and had your own club house. You may have had a special hand shake or a special knock. Maybe a secret password like "boys stink" haha. It's like that for grownups. It's all secret for fun. But if you ever knew the 'secrets' you would know it wasn't a big deal. All in fun. |
herureborn
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Username: herureborn
Post Number: 1
Registered: 1-2007
Posted From: 66.32.237.155
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To the religious ZEALOTS on this board, please do not continue to spin or regurgitate URBAN LEGENDS!!!
Base your accounts of FACTS ... The Eastern Stars NOR Masonry has ANYTHING to do with, Satanic worship, New World Order, Taking over the world anymore than all Christians are PIOUS people or ALL Muslims, are terrorists.
Its a bunch of bologna.
Just because of the following reasons, these claims will continue to be connected to the orders.
The so called coerced statements of weak minded Templars during the inquisition.
A rebuffed former Mason named Taxil in France spreading vicious rumors
A former admitted Devil Worshiper and former Grand Master of a Masonic Lodge named Alester Crowley
and because of the affiliation between several 'FAMOUS' Masons (Such as George Bush Sr.) and other Tri-Lateral groups of 'privileged' others
These stigmas still hold to this day.
Are we to blame all Christians for the workings of Ted McVeigh and the KKK?
Are we to blame all Muslims for Hussein, Bin-Laden or Muhammud Atta?
No!
Masonry is neither RELIGIOUS or a 'SECRET' society nor a group clung to taking over the world through allegiance with Satan or the world's leaders.
Get a grip.
Oh and I know some of the posters facts aren't straight because there only 33 degrees in masonry, I don't know WHICH organization has 37 or higher, there are none that have that many degrees.
Stop continuing the spread of 'IGNORANT' and 'STUPID' 'MYTHS' cause thats all they are, there is NO concrete evidence of ANY of these charges, and by the way most of your AMERICAN Masons are DEVOUT Christians.
There u have it. |
wyoming
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Username: wyoming
Post Number: 787
Registered: 9-2005
Posted From: 199.156.165.163
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Why do folks like this, who don't know -- insist that no one else can know either? The evidence is in their own publications. Albert Pike says that Masonry is not A religion; Masonry is THE religion. There are over 50 references in Morals and Dogma as to it being religious. I read in Mackey's Encyclopedia that Masonry has it's roots in Gnosticism, Mithraism, and Manaceanism. I read in one masonic book it says that God is the bringer of light; in another that Lucifer is the light bringer.
If you know so much, how come you don't know these things, when there is much, much more.
Did you read the oath above of the Fellow Craft regarding secrecy? Are the ceremonies and lectures open to the public, and what is the penalty for revealing the secrets if you don't have the lions grip.
No Masonic lodge meeting can be opened without a holy book. It doesn't have to be the Bible; it can be the Koran, or whatnot. It is universal unitarian in nature; giving lip service to Christ, if ever, avoiding the Deity of Christ, and void of the Holy Ghost.
In your initiation -- death, burial, and resurrection, you are raised in the name of your saviour HIRAM ABIF!!!
Talk about getting a grip!
(Message edited by Wyoming on January 18, 2007) |
olive82dove
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Username: olive82dove
Post Number: 1
Registered: 1-2008
Posted From: 71.191.101.99
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I am a Eastern Star...I have been one for 3 years. My father is a Mason and my mother is a Star, as well as Aunts and Uncles. They have never abused me nor my family, and certainly gave their time to the community. Matter of fact we are serving our country. Yes we are military. I have heard so many Christians say that I can not be a Christian because I am a Sister to O.E.S. The last time I checked God looks at your heart, and he knows if your heart is pure. People judge Masons and Eastern Stars because we do not tell what is done at our meetings...do you tell what you do behind closed doors? Well let me just say this half of the scholarships that young adults are getting in schools come from us, building getting built, communities getting cleaned up, helping the poor, etc that's us doing it. Now I know that Christ not to go around boasting the good things that you do because he knows all and sees all. |
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