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arron
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Username: arron
Post Number: 2127
Registered: 11-2004
Posted From: 68.119.37.10
| | Posted on Sunday, June 04, 2006 - 10:42 pm: | 
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it seems that more and more each day there is a new group of "prophets " coming along many who have been married several times. i just cant believe n some one who has been married three and four times nad still call them selves a preachr or a prophet. why do they give themselves the title of prophet of apostle.i feel they should just wait and let the people call them prophet or apostle. |
franklin
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Username: franklin
Post Number: 2865
Registered: 11-2004
Posted From: 71.55.179.26
| | Posted on Monday, June 05, 2006 - 2:57 am: |
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Very good topic arron! One you know I am very interested in. I have been around factnet writing "we don't need no stinkin' prophets (apostles)" as some of you may know. Those titles are held by every cult leader we know of for sure. Those titles inevitably lead to idolatry and manworshipping. I believe those two positions have been replaced by the Holy Spirit, and rightly so, which we are all in daily contact with.
Here is an article that someone shared with me and I will share with you for your consideration:
http://www.apologeticsindex.org/p10.html
Prophets and Prophecy
An Apologetics Index research resource
"In the New Testament, to prophesy is to edify the church by speaking words of edification, exhortation and consolation. (See 1 Corinthians 14:3-4 ). This type of prophecy is teaching inspired by God, and is considered one of the spiritual gifts (1 Cor. 12:7-11 )
The Bible also includes predictive prophecy - supernatural knowledge shared by those who had the office of the prophet - inspired by God and spoken at His command. (See Deuteronomy 18:18-19 ).
Naturally, presumptuous or false prophecy is not inspired nor condoned by God. (See: Deuteronomy 13:1-4 , Deuteronomy 18:20-22 , Jeremiah 14:14 ).
Most Christians believe that the office of ''prophet'' - along with the office of ''apostle'' - passed away around the end of the first century.
However, in today's church, several movements teach that God is restoring the so-called five-fold ministry. Two major trends can recognized: In the more controversial of these movements, including the Toronto Blessing and other movements based largely on Latter Rain theology, many teachers incorrectly consider themselves to occupy the office of ''prophet,'' with the authority ascribed to that office in scripture. Like the ''apostles'' they recognize, most of them speak presumptuously - sharing their own insights, fantasies and other messages not inspired nor condoned by God. In the process, they introduce aberrant and/or heretical teachings. (Examples are Rick Joyner; Bob Jones and other former Kansas City Prophets).
Many of them bring a steady stream of "warnings" (usually against America), and will claim prophetic successes (usually after the fact), while "prophesying" vague, ambiguous predictions. Their messages often come with a built-in catch-22, e.g. 'if enough people pray' the predicted disaster will not come to pass. If, perchance, it does, 'not enough people prayed.'
Many false prophets use their 'the-Lord-told-me-to-tell-you' approach to hawk their wares (books, tapes, seminars, survival kits, etcetera), and/or to further their peculiar conspiracy theories (e.g. New World Order).
In the less controversial ''house church'' or ''home church'' movement, those who operate in the office of ''prophet'' in the belief that God is restoring the five-fold ministry, generally tend to prophesy in the New Testament sense of the term (as described above). Here, too, apostles are recognized, but unlike in the other movements these ''apostles'' do not introduce new (extra-biblical) teachings and practices."
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franklin
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Username: franklin
Post Number: 2866
Registered: 11-2004
Posted From: 71.55.179.26
| | Posted on Monday, June 05, 2006 - 3:01 am: |
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(continued)
"History shows that the danger of extrabiblical, aberrant and/or heretical teachings is, of course, very real. Therefore, we must always - without exception - test all prophecies, dreams, teachings, and etcetera by the standard of Scripture:
(Acts 17:11 NIV) Now the Bereans were of more noble character than the Thessalonians, for they received the message with great eagerness and examined the Scriptures every day to see if what Paul said was true.
"Note that Paul later reiterated this point in his letter to the Thessalonians:
(1 Thessalonians 5:19-22 NIV) Do not put out the Spirit's fire; {20} do not treat prophecies with contempt. {21} Test everything. Hold on to the good. {22} Avoid every kind of evil.
The fact that we constantly have to test, keeps us dependent on God and His Word, as opposed to on a teacher or movement.
Regarding the five-fold ministry, Robert Bowman writes:
It has recently become popular to speak of "the five-fold ministry," a system of church government with apostles, prophets, evangelists, pastors, and teachers. The neo-Pentecostal "Restoration" movement and its offshoot, "kingdom now" teaching, claims that one of the things which God is "restoring" to the church is this five-fold ministry. The sole prooftext used to support this concept is Ephesians 4:11-13 , which states that Christ gave "some as apostles, and some as prophets, and some as evangelists, and some as pastors and teachers,...until we all attain to the unity of the faith and the full knowledge of the Son of God." The word "until," it is argued, proves that the church today needs apostles and prophets as much as evangelists, pastors, and teachers. However, it is the "building up" of the church (v.12) which must continue until the church is mature, not all five of the offices listed in verse 11. This is clear when the whole text is read as follows: "And He gave some as apostles, and some as prophets, and some as evangelists, and some as pastors and teachers; [these offices were given] to equip the saints for the work of service, [which work has as its goal] to build up the body of Christ until we all attain to the unity of the faith..." The offices of apostle and prophet would naturally cease in the church once their role in "equipping the saints" was completed; that is, once the New Testament canon was completed.
The Faulty Foundation of the Five-Fold Ministry, by Robert Bowman
- Articles -
Beware the New Prophets An extract from the book Beware the New Prophets by Bill Randles
The Faulty Foundation of the Five-Fold Ministry by Robert M. Bowman
Manifestations and Spiritual Gifts Seen in light on 1 Corinthians 14 (A verse-by-verse study)
OT vs NT prophecy by Anton Hein
- Books - Online -
"The Prophetic Call - True and False Prophets" Do you know the difference between the gift of prophecy and the office of the prophet? An online book by Arthus Katz. Very timely in light of today's interest for all things prophetic..."
I wish that the body of Christ would stop looking for some poofy haired preacher man with a flashy smile and a thousand dollar suit to look up to. Only God knows their hearts. Let no one stand between us and God except for Jesus Christ!  |
arron
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Username: arron
Post Number: 2129
Registered: 11-2004
Posted From: 68.119.37.10
| | Posted on Monday, June 05, 2006 - 6:54 am: |
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bro ... in our church as you probally know we speak in tongues nad propehesy. we do not name any one as prophet ( or profit either for that matter lol) or as apostle. we do have a bishop and preachers who are referred to as reverend. i have only heard about twice some warning about our country or area where we lived and it came to pass. on many year ago went out for the church not to eat any fish for a certian period. some weeks later it came out that the fish around there was contaminated. then it went out about being careful about the flue in our area. GOD moved in all these situations. and we praise HIM for keeping the church. so i do know that this is real but many today have so much abused it and are doing it falsly that it is hurtful to the church. |
franklin
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Username: franklin
Post Number: 2869
Registered: 11-2004
Posted From: 71.55.179.26
| | Posted on Monday, June 05, 2006 - 7:06 am: |
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What you are writing about is fine. A lot of these prophecies don't come to pass. It's like Jeanne Dixon's. Nobody remembers the thousands she made that didn't come to pass. That is also discernment. Bishop and Reverend are ok for titles. But not prophet or apostle. I've only seen these titles associated with cults. And you are right these titles as well as cults are harmful to the Christian Church. Love ya' bro! |
arron
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Username: arron
Post Number: 2135
Registered: 11-2004
Posted From: 68.119.37.10
| | Posted on Monday, June 05, 2006 - 7:22 am: |
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yes jeane dixon was recononized by many as a prophetes but if any will look she used the ocult a lot of times to tell it like looking in a crystal ball all that is certianly not GOD
love you too bro in CHRIST OUR LORD
arron |
imconcerned
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Username: imconcerned
Post Number: 3
Registered: 6-2006
Posted From: 218.101.90.227
| | Posted on Thursday, June 15, 2006 - 11:41 pm: |
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Hi
Do you know anything about the Bethel Church in Redding, California. My sister and her family have recently announced that they are flying across the world to go to the ministry there, with my nephews planning to go to a Christian school, at the same location.
There website is: http://www.ibethel.org/local/main.php
There going to the Bethel School of the Prophets, some of the speakers are said to be Prophets. Alot of the stuff on the website seems really dodgy, and I'm wondering, is it a cult? What are your views? Check out the links they have on their website, a few of them were involved in the Toronto Blessing etc.
Bob Jones
Bobby Conner
Benny & Suzanne Hinn Ministries
Brownsville Revival
Chris Harvey
Ignited Hope
Don & Christine Potter
The Elijah Revolution - Lou Engle
Extreme Prophetic - Patricia King (Formerly Pat Coking)
Family Christian Center
Fresh Fire Ministries - Todd Bentley
Fuchsia Pickett Ministries
Global Awakening - Randy Clark
Harvest Rock Church - Pasadena, CA - Che Ahn
Healing Rooms Ministries - Cal Pierce - Spokane, WA
Heritage Fellowship - Cleddie Keith - Florence, KY
ICN Ministries - Dr. Micheal Brown
Iris Ministries- Rolland & Heidi Baker - Mozambique, AFRICA
Life Center Ministries International
Mantle of Praise Ministries - Mark Dupont
Master Potter Ministries - Jill Austin
Mickey Robinson - Seagate
Ministry to the Nations -Jim & Ann Goll
Morning Star Ministries
Prayerhouseart -a Bethel Church Ministry
Randall Worley - Headwaters Ministries
Revival Ministries - Rodney Howard-Browne
Rex Burgher
River City Church - Redding, CA - Wendell McGowan
The River - Family Christian Center
The Call
Toronto Airport Christian Fellowship - John & Carol Arnott
The War Room - Pat Cocking
Smithton Outpouring
Vaca Valley Christian Life Center - Vacaville, CA
Wholeness Ministries - Mike Evans
Should I encourage them not to go?
Concerned... |
nina_s
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Username: nina_s
Post Number: 119
Registered: 4-2005
Posted From: 209.216.191.145
| | Posted on Friday, June 16, 2006 - 7:26 pm: |
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Dear I'm concerned,
I know I answered you on a different thread, so perhaps some others will speak up here!
I have seen in person and researched Todd Bentley/Fresh Fire Ministries and that guy is WAY OFF!!! It seemed he like he had "plants" in the audience; never got to reading from the Bible---I left when he started spitting the "breath of God" on somebody!
Again saw him (2 times) at area youth events, and walked out. He acted really weird, didn't worship when the worship band (our friends from California were playing), and people in the audience were making animal noises and jerking around and/or pushing forward to the front so they would be in everyone's way twirling and dancing---very, very fleshy! Heard that they have taken a "sabatical"---possibly a nervous breakdown or ?
Toronto is bizarre, Rodney Howard-Browne is off (my journalist friend Julia Duin interviewed him
---you can read exerpts of her interview in "Counterfeit Revival."
Someone associated with Randy Clark has spoken near here and claims to have the ministry of angels---it's advertized as "maybe you will see angels too if you attend."
FACE IT---THESE PEOPLE ARE ALL INTO THE FLESH, CONTROL AND MAKING $$$.
Run for the hills and PRAY for your family members!
God bless!
Nina
Benny Hinn is off---worships at Katherine Kuhlman's grave, and has fake "sick people"---my friends saw that in person. |
2c2bmore
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Post Number: 11
Registered: 5-2006
Posted From: 64.229.148.48
| | Posted on Saturday, June 17, 2006 - 4:53 pm: |
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I've had a loose affiliation with the Toronto Airport Fellowship.
'Was a member of the Praise and worship team at an original sister branch= Scarborough Vineyard.
There's a lot of disonant sounds originating from the body of Christ.
And of course who attends Church more regularily than anyone of us than the Deceiver himself.
I attend there now because I have moved down from up north recently and I'm sensing the Lord in my choice.
I agree we all need discernment in those things we embrace as truth.
It's a rough ride for the younger ones in Christ who find themselves in the midst of the incense flowing from "STRANGE FIRE" but the Spirit of God will sort it all out. Meanwhile we need to step up for those brothers and sisters. |
ezekiel_37
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Username: ezekiel_37
Post Number: 1162
Registered: 8-2005
Posted From: 24.43.16.51
| | Posted on Saturday, June 17, 2006 - 7:09 pm: |
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I do not think that the ones using strange fire even know it. Ask arron.
in His service
c |
arron
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Username: arron
Post Number: 2269
Registered: 11-2004
Posted From: 68.119.37.10
| | Posted on Saturday, June 17, 2006 - 8:21 pm: |
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i wonder if those who believe that the trees, the tree of life and the tree of knowledge of good and evil was referring to JESUS and the snake satan. now the bible says they grew out of the ground so they could not possibly be JESUS nor the snake satan.i know one or probally two will say well it says teaches that JESUS was a root out of dry ground, but no for that is speaking of mary being a virgin and not of a tree or of ground. just wondering. maybe someone who believes as i do can tell me what they believe
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arron
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Username: arron
Post Number: 2271
Registered: 11-2004
Posted From: 68.119.37.10
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2c2bmore... i would cerianly know if one was useing "strange fire " for THE HOLY GHOST would bear wittness that it was not of GOD. no one has to be in the dark about the SPIRITUAL things OF GOD. if you are saved then GODS SPIRIT, THE HOLY GHOST will lead you in the right direction. |
granite
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Username: granite
Post Number: 33
Registered: 4-2006
Posted From: 63.25.125.99
| | Posted on Saturday, June 17, 2006 - 11:39 pm: |
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What a RAT PACK you have listed above, concerned!
Definitely a lot of strange fire popping out of that bunch. Quarterback, halfback, fullback -- I would advise any honest and sincere believer, especially new converts, to get AS FAR BACK AS THEY CAN from those smooth-talking charalatans, Jezebels and quasi-religious hucksters. That movement is a Christless Pentecost, and will be front and center in the one-world church. Add in Jack & Rexella Van Impe, Colson, Copeland, Joyce, CBN, TBN & Paul & Jan into the mix too, btw. They are the pied pipers of Protestantism, will capitulate to the leading of American churchianity (known as, "Evangelicals And Catholics Together") under the control of the pope/false prophet/Antichrist when the time is right!
Good links -
http://www.actsion.com/selahpub.htm
What Is a Neo-Gnostic? What the Gnostics of A.D. 45 and the Charismatics today have in common.
Pentecostal But Not Charismatic Our most sought-after book.
http://www.wayoflife.org/fbns/fbns-index/charfbns.htm
www.fundamentalbiblechurch.org/Foundation/fbcecta2.htm
http://www.tpgh.org/BB.htm
(Message edited by granite on June 17, 2006) |
arron
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Username: arron
Post Number: 2289
Registered: 11-2004
Posted From: 68.119.37.10
| | Posted on Monday, June 19, 2006 - 10:45 am: |
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i am a pentecostal.. i am not of the charismatic branch of pentecostal. we believe in tongues and all the gifts. we do not indulge in the prosperity gospel and we believe you have to live right and not get mixed up with the world. we believe in being saved by THE BLOOD OF JESUS BY FAITH IN THAT BLOOD. we do not believe in the catholic doctrines not the overhead of the pope. |
arron
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Username: arron
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Posted From: 68.119.37.10
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there are a ot of people who are in volved in strange fire. that is dangerous, GOD does not accept it does not want it. as a christian i have seen some use this strange fire and i have always rejected it. i know when something is not bible based |
2c2bmore
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Username: 2c2bmore
Post Number: 31
Registered: 5-2006
Posted From: 64.229.14.206
| | Posted on Tuesday, July 11, 2006 - 10:59 pm: |
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That's the point Arron. We DO know.
God has given us his staff (the indwelling of his Spirit) to point out who's who in the middle of confusion that would frustrate and bewilder anyone who lives IN the flesh.
Anyone not re-generated and made alive to the issues of Heaven.
And any who have burried the voice of God
If you broke the volume control on your pocket radio so that you couldn't even shut it off you'd have to stuff it under a nice thick pillow not to hear it. There's no shortage of pillows it seems.
I include myself in that camp as well.
I have the convictions but sometimes lack the courage of same. |
dondi
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Username: dondi
Post Number: 207
Registered: 9-2005
Posted From: 69.226.122.90
| | Posted on Monday, July 24, 2006 - 10:25 pm: |
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I know nothing of "strange fire" but I do know this. From what I read and understand, we do not have the need of a prophet in these days. The Lord has given us the New Testement to live our days. Can you go through it without seeing a parallel between our live and the lives of those that lived in those times?
I have had different dreams concerning the supernatural but I do not believe myself to be a prophet. |
balaam
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Username: balaam
Post Number: 13
Registered: 5-2006
Posted From: 68.209.251.36
| | Posted on Saturday, September 09, 2006 - 7:20 pm: |
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Check out this quote from "Darth" Murray at SC:
"You got the keys to hell; hell is the departed souls, meaning death as well; if you've got the right keys, you have the keys that unlock hell and unlock death, and you can loose anyone from it, if they will listen" (ref. Matthew 16:18)
Can someone tell me what on earth he is babbling about here? |
smyrna
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Username: smyrna
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Registered: 1-2005
Posted From: 70.156.123.175
| | Posted on Tuesday, September 19, 2006 - 6:40 am: |
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Balaam,
Babbling is what Arron's Pentecostals do. Compare what they call speaking in tongues with what Acts 2:6.
Why would you want to know what Pastor Murray meant by what he said, if he truly said it exactly that way?
After all, you've already made up your infantile mind that he is a false teacher, as if you are qualified to make that judgement.
I know for a fact that Balaam can hardly read,(Check out the Shepherd's Chapel threads for proof) much less memorize in a few seconds what Pastor Murray (Shepherd's Chapel) said during a TV program.
All I can make of what Balaam tried to relate here is that Matthew 16 speaks of Christ establishing his Church, and giving Peter the keys, that is, authority to bless as a priest or Bishop.
The keys are symbolic of this authority, and the followers of Christ, Peter being one of them most blessed by Jesus Himself, can deliver people from death by allowing unlocking the keys to salvation, through the imparting of the Gopsel which was not written on paper when Peter lives, but on his heart by Christ Himself.
The keys to salvation unlock the prison of hell, and open one up to slavation.
This is all symbolic language, and that is why Balaam does not understand.
It can easily be shown he cannot understand plain 'ol modern english, so he can pretty much forget about trying to understand the language of the KJV Bible. |
arron
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Username: arron
Post Number: 2630
Registered: 11-2004
Posted From: 66.169.8.224
| | Posted on Tuesday, September 19, 2006 - 11:44 am: |
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see syrmna is still talking against me and at the same time he she is squealing about me talking about others ha ha |
arron
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Username: arron
Post Number: 2649
Registered: 11-2004
Posted From: 66.169.8.224
| | Posted on Wednesday, September 20, 2006 - 1:02 pm: |
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see symrna you are talking about the pentecostals and their tongue talking and yet you talk about us for talking about s.c. and their doctrines. as for you you have learned well fro s.c. folk for you twist each word to make it out that we or the bible or who ever disagree with you as something other than what it says. just like if i was to say the night is dark you would probally say and i do say probally say.. it isnt dark it is shady |
smyrna
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Posted From: 70.156.123.175
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Sorry Arron, but there is a thread on the SC boards that asked about tongues. I didn't attack anyone. I just gave my opinion. And I gave it here too.
You on the other hand chose to come on the Chapel discussions and cheered on people who were making false accusations against the SC, like Balaam.
Offering an opinion is not making a false accusation, and it is not attacking anyone either. |
david_munson
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Username: david_munson
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Registered: 9-2005
Posted From: 4.156.105.79
| | Posted on Wednesday, September 20, 2006 - 3:46 pm: |
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That strange fire has it's origins in Shakra Kundalini mystism.
The Lord says that His sheep hear His voice and I do not hear God's voice in mystical idolotry.
Do some research on fire and you will find that it is not something you want the Lord to be pouring out on you.
Unless you want to die that is.
God used fire to destroy His enemies more than once.Why would any one who knows God's ways want Him to pour out fire on them when He says He will pour out the latter and former rain?
Rain helps bring growth.
Fire destroys.
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balaam
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Posted From: 68.209.251.36
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dreama275
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Posted From: 67.185.8.218
| | Posted on Saturday, April 28, 2007 - 11:21 am: |
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I know of a lot of False prophets.
Like Gordon B Hinckley does anyone know who he is?
If not I will tell you Hes the Prophet of the whole world.. A False one for sure.. They believe in the Books of Mormon and thats the word of god...I USE to be a Mormon and I miss my friends I want them to go to heaven, it still hurts knowning everything I learned was false.. We are in a pentecostal church now and love it very much...They teach from the holy bible only and teach about Jesus Christ. We love it and are happy |
arron
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Posted From: 68.119.34.187
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DREAMA I AM SO GlaD YOU ARE IN PENTECOST it is wonderful i have been in pentecost for many years use to be a baptist then i saw that the pentecostal way was where i need to be so that is where i cam eand where i am today. |
dreama275
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Posted From: 67.185.8.218
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Thank you arron.
We are happy also, I don't have the holy ghost yet.
When we were in the Mormon church we were water baptized and they layed hands on us for the holy ghost, but I do know for sure we have to do it again in the pentecostal church. I just have not yet went in front of the church and prayed for the holy ghost I just want to do it at home. They do teach on holiness also. I do wear pants
Should women not wear pants? I think some women in this church don't work either they take care of the babys, I am different person I love to work and if i was married I still want to work. I don't like to cook either, I love kids and taking care of them. |
dreama275
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Posted From: 67.185.8.218
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Thank you arron.
We are happy also, I don't have the holy ghost yet.
When we were in the Mormon church we were water baptized and they layed hands on us for the holy ghost, but I do know for sure we have to do it again in the pentecostal church. I just have not yet went in front of the church and prayed for the holy ghost I just want to do it at home. They do teach on holiness also. I do wear pants
Should women not wear pants? I think some women in this church don't work either they take care of the babys, I am different person I love to work and if i was married I still want to work. I don't like to cook either, I love kids and taking care of them. |
arron
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Posted From: 68.119.34.187
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in our church women are free to work or not work. most do work. all of them cook as far as i know. we odnt have a dress code as such but women wear dresses at church some how ever do wear pants i prefer women to be in dresses but have no dress code. i received THE HOLY GHOST when i was prayed for, but of course you can receive HIM anywhere. some have a more regid code of beheavior for the people in their church.just live ofr JESUS |
dreama275
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Posted From: 67.185.8.218
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I will do that. Live for Jesus.. |
eliasa
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Posted From: 70.181.186.129
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smyrmna: you do not speak/write like a Christian (9/19/06). I am appalled by your judgemental attitude and flack disregard for a young believer and another's understanding of the Word other than you. Buck up brethren and bear some fruit! Speaking of judgement: Read Matthew 7:1-5!!
David M. re: fire. Judgement fire is not the only kind of fire in the Bible. There is also the refiner's fire which burns off the dross and purifies the silver and gold. John the baptist said that he baptized with water while One after him will baptize with the Holy Spirit and with fire (matthew and mark).
Dear dreama, it is not a sin for a woman to wear pants. There is no dress code in the Bible. More importantly, is what is in your heart. Clothe yourself in the Word of God, THE BIBLE, moreso than church doctrine and the Holy Spirit will teach you His ways. Now, don't get me wrong, fellowship and church are necessary for discipleship, just make sure you go to God's manual first to know the Truth so that you, dear little sheep, will not be led astray.
In Jesus Christ's name, PEACE&LOVE!! Eliasa |
arron
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Posted From: 68.119.34.187
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snyerna doesnt believe half of what the bible teaches therefore he/ she is not saved |
balaam
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2 Peter 3:17 (KJV)
Ye therefore, beloved, seeing ye know these things before, beware lest ye also, being led away with the error of the wicked, fall from your own stedfastness.
2 Peter 2:1 (KJV)
But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction.
1 Timothy 4:1 (KJV)
Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils; |
pneuma7
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Registered: 8-2007
Posted From: 208.54.14.2
| | Posted on Wednesday, August 15, 2007 - 1:48 pm: |
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I see an error that is easy to fall into. If a person doesn't experience something, he or she might start to justify the lack by trying to make the Bible say that it no longer happens. An example is prophecy in the church. The Scripture used is from I Cor. 13: “For we know in part and we prophesy in part, but when perfection comes, the imperfect disappears. When I was a child, I talked like a child, I thought like a child, I reasoned like a child. When I became a man, I put childish ways behind me. Now we see but a poor reflection as in a mirror; then we shall see face to face. Now I know in part; then I shall know fully, even as I am fully known.” What they try to say is that perfection is the completion of the New Testament. Notice how the context says that "I shall know fully, even as I am fully known." Does anyone actually claim that this has happened for them? I don't know of anyone who knows fully, even as they are fully known, do you? Obviously, the perfection spoken about is NOT the completion of the New Testament, but something yet to happen. The thing is, we Westerners have this scientific mindset that excludes the supernatural. We claim that the gifts of the Spirit are no longer around, or that only the ones we are comfortable with are. After all, if we don't see it happening for us, it must mean that it doesn't happen, right? |
pneuma7
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Registered: 8-2007
Posted From: 208.54.14.2
| | Posted on Wednesday, August 15, 2007 - 2:17 pm: |
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Another Scripture, that also talks about prophets, is in Eph. 4: “It was he who gave some to be apostles, some to be prophets, some to be evangelists, and some to be pastors and teachers, to prepare God's people for works of service, so that the body of Christ may be built up until we all reach unity in the faith and in the knowledge of the Son of God and become mature, attaining to the whole measure of the fullness of Christ.” Notice how it says “until we all…attaining to the whole measure of the fullness of Christ.” I don’t think we have done that yet. If we had, then not only would there be no need for apostles and prophets, there also would be no need for evangelists, pastors and teachers. Yet, notice how our Western mindset chooses to believe that only the ones dealing with head knowledge are still around. This mindset tries to redefine prophecy to simply be teaching the Word of God. If that is the case, then why does this Scripture list prophets as separate from teachers? Obviously, they are two different things. When defining prophecy, shouldn’t we look at the examples that the Bible calls prophecy, instead of making our own definitions? Concerning apostles, there are apostles of the Lamb, and there are apostles of the church. Apostle just means emissary. That’s a term that, in my opinion, can be applied to missionaries. In this day, I think that we only have apostles of the church. The reason I say that is because the New Jerusalem in Revelation has only twelve apostles mentioned. These are the only ones that the foundation is built upon. If there were more apostles of the Lamb, speaking of foundational apostles, then why doesn’t it mention them? Why does it only say that there are twelve? |
pneuma7
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Registered: 8-2007
Posted From: 208.54.14.2
| | Posted on Wednesday, August 15, 2007 - 2:32 pm: |
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I believe that the gifts of the Spirit are still needed today. Just seeing sickness and disease around you can show you the need for the gift of healing. Are we to now say that this loving God will tell such people, “You have the New Testament, no need for your body to be healed.”? Does it not say in James 2, “If one of you says to him, 'Go, I wish you well; keep warm and well fed,' but does nothing about his physical needs, what good is it?” This was talking about food and clothing, but can’t it also be applied to other physical needs? I don’t see much happen in this area of praying for healing as far as my own prayers go, but that doesn’t make me say that therefore it must no longer be around, so that I can justify myself. That would just be like the man who tried to justify himself by saying to Jesus, “And who then, is my neighbor?” I have seen other people get healed.--people I know, not just “plants.” For me, I just admit a lack of faith on my part, in most instances, rather than trying to justify myself. The Western mindset, however, will only accept the things that aren’t supernatural. Things like healing, miracles, prophecy, etc., don’t fit into that mindset, so they are rejected. It’s as though we have changed Biblical Christianity to deism, like, “God used to do those things, but not any more.” Now, it’s all about head knowledge. My use of the term, “head knowledge” refers to factual knowledge. I’m not talking about the experiential knowledge of the Father and the Son, which is eternal life (knowing people, as opposed to knowing about them). |
keeppraying
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Registered: 1-2008
Posted From: 71.200.153.237
| | Posted on Sunday, January 06, 2008 - 8:08 pm: |
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do you really think we need prophets today and are they for real....since Jesus came, all we need is the new testament.....and, why would a prophet divorce....if he had listened to God in the beginning, wouldn't he tell the prophet that he/she wasn't the right choice....but yet he tells us what God is saying....kinda funny |
arron
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Username: arron
Post Number: 3960
Registered: 11-2004
Posted From: 71.85.121.123
| | Posted on Monday, January 07, 2008 - 10:12 am: |
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well we must still need prophets as they are in the new testament and they avent ceased being. i think most today are used to give words of comfort and help to people. we need both the ot and the nt and we nedd all the gifts spoken of in GODS WORD. as far as divorce well that is another matter i dont feel one shoud divorce but if their wife just walked off anf left him or if she commithed adultry against him( and h caught her or knew it for real ) then he has a right to marry. i would never tell any one to get a divorce for i believe that is worng. i would never tell anyone to marry cause they may not want too. the only way i would tell them to marry is if they were burning up with the desire to have sex yes then get married and have it legaly before GOD ALMIGHTY not out in whoredom. oh yes and on prophet hosea i think was told to take a wife of whoredoms and have children by her they were to marry of course. |
easeltine
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Post Number: 1911
Registered: 5-2005
Posted From: 66.245.201.28
| | Posted on Tuesday, January 08, 2008 - 2:19 am: |
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I believe that the Ministry of the Prophet is still valid today. In saying that I must also say that false prophecy is being allowed in Charismatic and Pentecostal circles far too often. There has been people I know that have had demons of divination that they received in "Latter-Day Rain" Churches and they had to be delivered from. One of the people in this group, the "Elijah Prophets", even made a prophecy that Hillary Clinton WOULD NOT RUN for the Presidency because she would become a born-again Christian and have a testimony for Jesus. The same person said that the U.S. would have a "praying President" in the White House for 21 years. I mentioned to a lady who listens to TBN alot that Hillary could win, and she said, "No, because ___ _____ said she wouldn't." We can alway tell a true prophecy from a false prophecy based on the words of Deuteronomy 18:21, 22 -
21 "You may say in your heart, 'How will we know the word which the LORD has not spoken?' 22
"When a prophet speaks in the name of the LORD, if the thing does not come about or come true, that is the thing which the LORD has not spoken. The prophet has spoken it presumptuously; you shall not be afraid of him."
Also, I'm tired of this Charismatic/Pentecostal thing that the Prophet made a mistake because they were just learning. These people have had enough learning, and have made enough mistakes. |
arron
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Username: arron
Post Number: 3994
Registered: 11-2004
Posted From: 71.85.121.123
| | Posted on Thursday, January 10, 2008 - 12:16 pm: |
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if a prophet gives a word from THE LORD it will come to pass. if a man or woman gives you a word saying "if you obey ME saith THE LORD and the person will not obey then that word will not come to pass for the person did not fulfill what GOD said that is one way they dont come to pass |
voocitd
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Post Number: 74
Registered: 1-2008
Posted From: 98.193.216.235
| | Posted on Saturday, January 12, 2008 - 3:25 am: |
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Have you heard of the Twelve Tribes Communities who are led by a man who claims to be the Elijah returned to earth? He teaches there has not been a church on earth with the Holy Spirit for over 1900 years and he has been called to rebuild the Twelve Tribes of Israel so the Messiah can return.
Here is a Website dedicated to educating people about this dangerous religious leader:
http://yattt.blogspot.com/
If you know of anyone who has a friend or family member who is talking about getting involved with the Twelve Tribes Communities, please direct them to this site. |
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