| Author | Message | ||
     WALTER (216.183.185.87) |
DOES ANY ONE KNOW IF THIS PREACHER IS WORTH WATCHING. PLEASE GIVE ME SOME HELP | ||
| Anonymous (198.200.181.206) |
I remember him from the 80's!! | ||
| Anonymous (68.119.47.6) |
i remember him also. he was with rev a. a. allen i think now day he has gone to the prosperity gospel | ||
| GREGG (216.183.185.87) |
I KNOW THAT YOU GAVE MONEY BEFORE AND IT DID NOT WORK BUT GIVE THIS TIME I KNOW IT WILL WORK IT . HE IS A CONFUSED NUT, I WOULD NOT GIVE MONEY TO HIM OR HIS MINISTRY | ||
| GREGG (216.183.185.87) |
http://www.straightistheway.com/warning/shamback/r_w_shambach.html CHECK THIS OUT | ||
| Anonymous (68.119.47.6) |
i fell that bro shambach is a saved man who has gone away in his doctrine about money | ||
| BEN (216.183.185.87) |
YOU MIGHT BE CORRECT | ||
| FRED (216.183.185.87) |
THIS GUY IS A REAL NUT AND A BIG LIER WHO IS NOT HEARING FROM GOD. SHAMBACH FUND-RAISING TACTICS From Deception In The Church Website Time: Wed, 03-Nov-1999 16:50:58 GMT I flipped over to the TBN Praise-A-Thon last night and R.W. Shambach prophesied that if people make the 2000 dollar faith pledge to TBN, not only will God give them the 2000 dollars before the year 2000 but he will also make them totally debt free AND their WHOLE family will be saved before the year 2000. I just felt sick. I can only imagine all the people saying, "Wow, this is the answer I've been waiting for!" and sending in money they probably need for their own family to survive. I don't know but it seems these false prophets are getting bolder and bolder! R. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- And this just in 11/8/99 in response to this article: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Dear (DITC): I was just reading some of the new installments on your website. I read the one "Salvation sold for a donation to TBN." (My husband) and I have caught that program the past two nights (we've only been able to stomach a few minutes of it), but that is exactly what he is claiming. If people give him "$2,000 before the year 2000 they will have all their debts cancelled (and people are e-mailing in to him that they owe amounts like $150,000, etc.) and all their family and relatives will be saved." I was appalled. What in the world is he going to tell all these people when Jan. 1st hits? He even told people if they don't have the money (which most don't because they're in debt) to take out a loan or borrow the tithe on the $2000 and give him $200 to start with. It is just shocking. He said everything he said (last night) was "annointed" and was a prophetic message directly from God. What gall! It really made me sick, and everytime I heard the audience clap and cheer, I wondered, who are these people? Do they have brains? What are they thinking? I just can't fathom it. It is all so demonic and deceptive. | ||
| Garry Hickman (4.232.153.69) |
I think the better question to reach an answer would be "What does this man teach about Jesus?" I've not heard him lately, but from what I've heard in the past, he is telling people they need to give their lives to Christ, and that the only way of salvation is through Jesus. What I've heard from him is Biblically sound, and while I don't agree 100% on EVERYTHING he teaches, my thought is you could do far worse than listen to him. He will point you to Calvary. | ||
| Anonymous (24.14.202.85) |
We should seek to follow the example of the Berean Christians of the early Church who "received the message with great eagerness and examined the Scriptures every day to see if what Paul said was true." (Acts 17:11). Beware of so-called ministers of the gospel have reaped tremendous “success” (i.e., money and position) through self-promotion. These men are like greedy dogs, not content with what they have, they will do whatever it takes to get all you have. And once they have it they will do whatever they need to do to protect and maintain their prize. You can identify these greedy dogs by how they respond when they are challenged. Jesus told us to love our enemies but these men curse those who oppose them. 2 Peter 2:1-3 But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction. And many shall follow their pernicious ways; by reason of whom the way of truth shall be evil spoken of. And through covetousness shall they with feigned words make merchandise of you: whose judgment now of a long time lingereth not, and their damnation slumbereth not. Beware of those who "with feigned words make merchandise of you". These men are not of God. | ||
| SUE (216.183.185.87) |
I WOULD NOT WANT TO MEET GOD AFTER I JUST TOLD PEOPLE TO GIVE TO HIS MINISTRTY. I ONLY KNOW THAT ANY ONE WHO WOULD TAKE MONEY FROM A HANDICAPED PERSON, OR A WIDOW, OR A PERSON ON WELFARE, AND TELL THEM THAT THEY HAVE TO TITHE TO HIM OR HIS MINISTRY IS GOING TO BE ACCOUNTIBLE TO GOD SOMEDAY. THERE IS NO MORE TITHE IT IS FREE WILL GIVING TODAY AND FOR PEOPLE IN THE ABOVE SITUATION THEY NEVER HAVE TO GIVE A DIME TO ANY CHURCH. YOU BETTER NOT BE THE ONE WHO TAKES MONEY FROM ONE OF THESE POOR PEOPLE. | ||
| KIM (216.183.185.87) |
DEAR GOD PLEASE GET THESE PEOPLE OFF THE AIR. IT IS LIKE A CLOWN SHOW. | ||
| Anonymous (68.119.47.6) |
I BELEIVE THAT SHAMBACH IS BACISICLY A GOOD MAN WHO DOES PREACH JESUS AS SAVIOR BUT SOMEHWERE HAS GOTTEN OFF IN HIS DOCTRINE AND STARTED PREACHING FUND RAISEING GOSPEL AND PROSPERITY | ||
| Anonymous (67.160.109.100) |
He's a nut!!! | ||
| Anonymous (24.176.170.102) |
All TV "ministers" are nuts! | ||
| Anonymous (198.81.26.106) |
Not all of them. Charles Stanley, David Jeremiah, for example. These are really teachers, not "TV preachers" in the negative sense of that phrase. | ||
| Anonymous (65.230.198.203) |
Went to a Schambach service in 1977, and it was just like the one scene in the movie " The Blues Brothers" (Remeber that?) I had all I could do to keep from busting out laughing at the the fanaticism of the whole thing. It was basically a 3 ringed circus ! At his services expect to see good old fashioned "foaming at the mouth" carrying on, and ridiculous behaviour beyond your wildest dreams...........and yes- VERY LARGE OFFERING BUCKETS!!!!!!!!!! | ||
| Anonymous (69.242.21.100) |
my house shall be a HOUSE OF PRAYER but you have made it a DEN OF THIEVES to all the prosperity gospel gainsayers ....REPENT !! | ||
| Anonymous (68.72.106.224) |
RW Schambach is goofy. By "goofy", I really mean to say that his theology is wrong. The motives are offbase, and he has joined the Word Faith crowd. These guys and gals are all bad news for the bidy of Christ. Leroy Jenkins. Peter Popoff. Copeland, Hagin, Robb Thompson (Winning in Life) Greg Dickow. Jesse Duplantis. Jerry Savelle. Marilyn Hickey (Marilyn & Sarah) And the list goes on. Their theology is wrong. Their doctrine is in error. Their entire belief system is incorrect, and they are spreading a cancer throughout the body of Christ. As far as TV preachers is concerned; you can pretty much count on hearing the truth from TV Preachers like Charles Stanley (In Touch), David Jeremiah, Adrian Rogers (Love Worth Finding), & Ed Young (The Winning Walk) | ||
| Anonymous (24.14.202.85) |
And you can definitely find the truth if you open your bible, read it for yourself and ask the Holy Spirit for understanding. Peace | ||
| Anonymous (69.242.21.100) |
#68 i can't count on those guys i count on JESUS ..those churches have no worship just a pipe organ and ritual ,wheres the worship of the Lord? , wheres the Prayer? | ||
| Anonymous (64.12.117.20) |
"As far as TV preachers is concerned; you can pretty much count on hearing the truth from TV Preachers like Charles Stanley (In Touch), David Jeremiah, Adrian Rogers (Love Worth Finding), & Ed Young (The Winning Walk)." That's a good list. I would add the underrated Dr. Michael Youssef (of "Leading the Way"), who inherited the "Changed Lives" ministry from Ben Haden when he retired. | ||
| djnavii (172.168.29.131) |
You anonymous folks are a straight trip. R.W. Schambach has more than likely led more souls to Christ by the Spirit of God than ANY of you here. Toda | ||
| Anonymous (152.163.101.12) |
I've watched R.W. Schambach and it seems a shame (in the sense of a missed or wasted opportunity) to me. He is an imposing presence, he can preach up a storm, and he chooses to use this talent primarily for fund-raising. What other mighty works he could do for God if he so chose! | ||
| Anonymous (69.242.21.100) |
how can we know just how many souls have been led ???? many times people come forward FOR THE MOMENT ,music is playing appealing to the emotions.. but what about GENUINE conversion and making GENUINE DISCIPLES ???? many credit alot of big celebrity preachers but GOD does the saving | ||
| exposer (exposer) New member Username: exposer Post Number: 1 Registered: 1-2005 Posted From: 168.143.113.125 |
Beware, he is a false prophet using the pretense of the gospel for filthy lucre's sake! Beware of those who would manipulate you and use mesmerism, hypnotism, and manipulative speech. This is not of God! | ||
| anony (anony) New member Username: anony Post Number: 3 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 70.240.74.52 |
If he can say, as he has, that people can get saved through family members sending money to TBN, he has forsaken the Gospel. Not to mention it reeks of the old Catholic indulgences and purgatory tricks. | ||
| therefreshingword (therefreshingword) New member Username: therefreshingword Post Number: 1 Registered: 3-2005 Posted From: 65.164.93.69 |
My question is simply this. Concerning the Florida case with Terri. Was there an effort by any minister that has a healing ministry to go and ask for an opportunity to pray with her and work a miracle? I know Rev. Jackson went down, but that's all i saw in the order of preachers and faith healers.}}}} | ||
| tiredofit (tiredofit) New member Username: tiredofit Post Number: 1 Registered: 3-2005 Posted From: 12.207.221.107 |
He is a nut. Possibly a Demon. I get physically sick watching him and the rest of the nuts on TBN. And I am a Christian! They are all going to have a rough judgement day! | ||
| yaakov (yaakov) Intermediate Member Username: yaakov Post Number: 277 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 63.148.234.6 |
therefreshingword There were many people praying for Terry. I think it extended her life. She went 11 days without food or water. I think a person can typically only go 4 days without water. | ||
| infoman (infoman) Intermediate Member Username: infoman Post Number: 236 Registered: 12-2004 Posted From: 67.175.179.251 |
Even if someone with real results in praying for the sick would have had to contend with all the unbelief of people around her, and the lack of faith in the power of God healing someone from prayer. Unbelief even hindered Jesus. Jesus could not heal or do any mighty works or miracldes "because of their unbelief".... For only the prayer done in FAITH will heal the sick. Faith can be hindered by unbelief. | ||
| therefreshingword (therefreshingword) New member Username: therefreshingword Post Number: 4 Registered: 3-2005 Posted From: 65.164.93.243 |
I agree (infoman)and understand about Jesus' inability to do for the people because of their unbelief. I just can't help wondering when I see faith healers do miracles for people and they seem to have hardly any faith in a real God of miracles, much less any faith to receive something that would and could totally change their life. (Not including the Florida case) I for once would like to see a true miracle worker. Someone who teaches faith and then the signs and wonders that follows. And with that, i mean people who hear and then believe the message and then are open for miracles. | ||
| djnavii (djnavii) Member Username: djnavii Post Number: 62 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 64.4.221.227 |
Shalom therefreshingword: You wrote: I for once would like to see a true miracle worker. Then why not become one YOURSELF? Work on your faith level and your walk with God and demonstrate the Kingdom of God in POWER and in DEED, as you would like to see. It starts with YOU. Spend more time meditating on the gifts of God through Christ and they will manifest in you, as opposed to complaining about the fake, become the real Toda | ||
| therefreshingword (therefreshingword) New member Username: therefreshingword Post Number: 6 Registered: 3-2005 Posted From: 65.164.93.161 |
No one is complaining about anything being fake. Are you a miracle worker? Then, if so wonderful. Thanks for your advice. So, I'll become one and then do miracles. You have great insight into spiritual matters. You must be a prophet or somthing. I'm just asking questions and you seem to be so against the faith that you just want to argue. Thats okay, i understand you. | ||
| djnavii (djnavii) Member Username: djnavii Post Number: 63 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 64.4.221.227 |
Are you a miracle worker? No, Christ in me and through me is the "miracle worker". I suggest you try HIM. Then, if so wonderful. HE is Wonderful, true. Thanks for your advice. So, I'll become one and then do miracles. Beats the heck out of complaining about why there aren't any. You have great insight into spiritual matters. As the Spirit of the most High God, our Father, which is the Holy Ghost gives. You should also try that sometimes. You must be a prophet or somthing. No, I am a BELIEVER. And the SPirit of God is in ALL Believers. Try John 14  Wonderful scripture. I'm just asking questions and you seem to be so against the faith that you just want to argue. Which faith are you talking about? Because the Faith in Christ Jesus and the Gospel of the Kingdom IS what I preach. Thats okay, i understand you. Obviously not, as your words attest to the fact you missed the point completely by getting in offense. Do not become unteachable in favor of emotional / irrational responses. In all your getting, GET an understanding. I pray your understanding and I pray you all abundant blessings of health, prosperity in body / soul / and spirit, of our Father, El Shaddai Elohim Adonai, Lord of ALL Heaven and Earth buy his Spirit, which is the Holy Ghost, in the mighty name of his Son our Salvation, JESUS, Yeshuwah HaMosiach Adonai Shekinu Toda (Message edited by djnavii on April 12, 2005) (Message edited by djnavii on April 12, 2005) | ||
| heavenbound (heavenbound) New member Username: heavenbound Post Number: 1 Registered: 6-2005 Posted From: 24.15.253.198 |
I notice there are a lot of demons posting on this message board. And they all remain anonymous. They have nothing to do all day except get on forums and complain about men of God. Allow me to enlighten you on something....For your information, In order to lead a big national ministry and in order to go around the world and pray and minister to people, many preachers have to ask for donations(AS this money goes in to their ministries, example: travel to do the work of the Lord, money for food for the homeless.,etc.) especially since a lot of people who claim to be true christian don't know the importance of tithing, which you are suppose to give 10% of your income, whether you are low-income, poor or rich, God knows the heart. If any of these professed christian posting on this board new anything about the bible, they would not complain about any man of God preaching and asking for offerings. It is a difficult work preaching and doing the work of the Lord. In the old testament God even asked for tithes and offering in the bible from the book of Exodus 25-27 and in the new testament Jesus said (offerings) "It is better to give than to receive." Acts 20:35. In the old testament of the bible, People had to make some sort of offering in biblical days in order to come before the lord or they would not be blessed. Also if you remember Cain and Abel, where Cain's offering was rejected because he did not want to offer God his best harvest. When we give our best no matter what the amount God blesses. Now R.W. Schambach is not asking those who obviously could not afford a certain amount to give that amount but he has been asking from donations form people that can/could afford to give that amount. Who are we to say what God told this man. Maybe God did ask him to put that amount out there for people who could afford to give that specific amount and believe me there are people out there that can afford that amount. We as christian are held accountable for not seeking the truth on our own by reading the bible. There are many followers than leaders, so if you feel that you are being led wrong then get the knowledge on your own, that is what the bible is there for. Complaining about preachers ministries are not helping you to get your salvation, all it does is helps you become the tool and device of the devil because he seeks to blind you from the truth and keep you complaining just like he did in the days of old nothing has changes. He seeks to divide the church, families and anything of God through what ever means he can for his time is short. For those of you complaining, I pray that God sheds his light on you and that you will want to find the truth through reading scriptures because God is coming back and I would not want to be caught in the snares of the enemy and then asked in judgement why didn't I hearken unto his voice when he called. Many of you complain because you are angry with God and it is so OBVIOUS that even a child can} see. You need to repent and ask God to show you mercy and find out how you can gain favor from the Lord. AND for you demons I rebuke you! It is not my battle but the Lord. | ||
| steelsword (steelsword) Intermediate Member Username: steelsword Post Number: 133 Registered: 4-2005 Posted From: 207.192.2.34 |
Heavenbound show me one scripture where CHRIST Tithed or any of the apostles. Especially 10 percent. In (Matthew) we are told to be a cheerful giver. If we are bound by 10 percent then we are bound by the Law. Christ said if you live any one part of the Law you are bound by all the Law. Christ Paid all the tithing in full on the Cross . The veil was rent in Twain (TWO). Granted giving should be Christian Nature, We are not longer bound by Law that Christ Fullfilled. I would say most ministries need money to operate, but that doesn't include Mercedes, & rolex watches, or half million dollar homes, that were bought by the congregations thruogh being deceived by some tithing Law. | ||
| endtimeprophet (endtimeprophet) New member Username: endtimeprophet Post Number: 1 Registered: 7-2005 Posted From: 67.160.174.88 |
There was a time when RW Shambach spoke the word of God with power, conviction, and truth. I used to listen to him when I was a lad. Now that he's gone to TBN, he doesn't seem to have what he used to have back then... but I'm not to judge on how he's doing now, for he is God's and God alone can judge him. One of these days we'll all stand before God for what we've all done and said, whether good or bad, false or truth, knowingly or unknowningly. IF you've learned anything from David and King Saul, you'll know that you cannot lay a hand on the anointed one since he is God's chosen one. Leave it to God, read your Bible, pray for understanding to know the end times, don't be fooled by the many false churches/teachings today, and PRAY that you'll be able to stand before the son of man on the day of his glorious return... because everything will be tested by fire (your faith) and is coming to pass as told by him on the mount of olives long ago. Don't worry about others, you don't have the time to worry about anyone else but yourself! Make sure you get there to heaven in one plece, or your time will all be wasted! Be filled with His holy spirit, for it is the stamp of approval which guarantees your keys into the heavenly gates. Christ's death would've meant nothing if he didn't go back to the father and sent down the holy spirit, the spirit of truth who can open your eyes to see him as he really is. Your faith will never be boring or the same ever again, for you'll get a boost of holy ghost power, will know him spiritually, and overcome the evil one. Christ said "God is spirit, and all those who worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth." This means you cannot know how to walk with him unless you are "in him and he in you." Going to church will not save you, it is the "knowledge" of Jesus Christ that's going to save you, just as stepping into a zoo will not anymore make you an animal. God is not an idol as in other religions where one can touch, see, and bow down to... he is spirit and is everywhere. He encompass the whole universe yet he is small enough to live inside of you at the same time! Remember, spirit is spirit and flesh is flesh... yours ways of thinking is not his way of thinking! You must be born again a second time of God's holy spirit to know the true meaning of these truths. You cannot "think" your way to knowing God because to know him truly one must possess his spirit, for only then can you know him truly since you are one with him, he in you and you in him, walking in unison. When you have this, any wind of doctrine can come your way and you'll know whether or not it is of God or not. And you won't be afraid of the devil any longer. This my friend is what Christ did on the cross to achieve. For he says that he'll not write on stones of tablet anymore but on hearts of flesh, meaning he'll be putting his spirit in you to know him without another to teach you... then will be fulfilled what was written by prophets of old that you'll indeed be instructed of God. I wish it was that our churches and the body of christ is as strong as we like to think as we wait in anticipation of his coming, but the word of God and Christ does not lie... false teachings and the love of most will grow cold, till few if any are left. Pray for yourself... to be able to stand before the son of man, that your hard work may not be burned and you end up in another place you don't belong. Long time ago Brother Shambach used to say that you'll need to be saved before you go out to teach others about salvation, that you need to be filled with the Holy Spirit and speak in tongues before you teach the things of the Holy Spirit. This is the truth! Don't let a blind lead a blind or you'll both fall into a ditch (fall into hell)! Pray, pray, pray for understanding and discernment, but that you receive the gift of the Holy Spirit... for it is the truth that will set you free! | ||
| david_munson (david_munson) Advanced Member Username: david_munson Post Number: 742 Registered: 5-2005 Posted From: 65.145.126.68 |
endtimeprophet said"you'll know that you cannot lay a hand on the anointed one since he is God's chosen one." -------------- I have to address that with you because it is not applicable to today. As follows: Touch Not Mine Anointed, And Do My Prophets No Harm If you listen to "christian" television for any length of time you are sure to hear, "Touch Not Mine Anointed, And Do My Prophets No Harm." This verse is usually quoted to silence any person from questioning or criticizing what is being taught at that particular time. Through the use of fear proper biblical discernment is discouraged not only by the leaders but the flock is soon parroting this verse to silence any criticism that is leveled against their leader. What does this verse really mean? Does it mean that we cannot question anything that is taught by our leaders? Find the answers to these questions below from two evangelical leaders: PSALM 105:15—Does this verse indicate that certain men called by God are beyond criticism and accountability, as Word-Faith teachers suggest? MISINTERPRETATION: Psalm 105:15 says, “Do not touch My anointed ones, And do My prophets no harm” (nasb). Some Word-Faith teachers cite this verse in arguing that they have been specially anointed by God and should not be criticized for their teachings. They indicate in their words and actions a belief that challenging their teachings amounts to challenging God himself. CORRECTING THE MISINTERPRETATION: The phrase “the Lord’s anointed” is used in Old Testament Scripture to refer to Israel’s kings (see 1 Sam. 12:3, 5; 24:6, 10; 26:9, 11, 16, 23; 2 Sam. 1:14, 16; 19:21; Ps. 20:6; Lam. 4:20). In this context the word cannot be interpreted to refer to modern teachers in the church. Further, the word prophets in context can only refer to Old Testament prophets, not to modern church leaders. Neither of these designations can be interpreted with reference to teachers in the modern church. Even if we allowed that this verse could loosely refer to modern church leaders, the warning is against physically harming them. It has nothing to do with testing their teachings. In Old Testament times prophets and kings were very much in danger of physical harm—and hence the warning. Scripture itself instructs us to test all teachings by the Word of God (1 Thess. 5:21). Like the Bereans of old, we must make the Scriptures our measuring stick for truth (Acts 17:11). The Bereans were commended for testing the apostle Paul’s teachings against Scripture. Paul affirmed elsewhere, “All Scripture is inspired by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, for training in righteousness; that the man of God may be adequate, equipped for every good work” (2 Tim. 3:16–17 nasb, emphasis added). All of us are to be constantly on guard against false teachings (Rom. 16:17–18; cf. 1 Tim. 1:3–4; 4:16; 2 Tim. 1:13–14; Titus 1:9; 2:1). There is a sense in which every believer in Christ is “anointed” (see 1 John 2:20). In view of this, no Christian leader can lay claim to being special or above others and beyond doctrinal criticism Even if the text can be applied to certain church leaders today, in the context of this passage the words "touch" and "do harm" have to do with inflicting physical harm upon someone. Psalm 105:15 is therefore wholly irrelevant to the issue of questioning the teachings of any of God's "anointed." Moreover, even if we accepted this misinterpretation of Psalm 105:15, how are we to know who not to "touch"; that is, who God's anointed and prophets are? Because they and their followers say they are? On such a basis we would have to accept the claims of Sun Myung Moon, Elizabeth Clare Prophet, and virtually all cult leaders to be prophets. Because they reputedly perform miracles? The Antichrist and False Prophet themselves will possess that credential (Rev. 13:13-15; 2 Thess. 2:9)! No, God's representatives are known above all by their purity of character and doctrine (Tit. 1:7-9; 2:7-8; 2 Cor. 4:2; cf. 1 Tim. 6:3-4). If a would-be spokesperson for God cannot pass the biblical tests of character and doctrine, we have no basis for accepting his or her claim, and no reason to fear that in criticizing his or her teaching we might also be rejecting God. Finally, if any individual Christian is to be considered anointed, then so every Christian must be as well. For this is the only sense in which the term is used (apart from Christ) in the New Testament: "You [referring to all. believers] have an anointing from the Holy One" (1 John 2:20, NIV). Thus, no believer can justifiably claim any special status as God's "untouchable anointed" over other believers. Nobody's teachings or practices are beyond biblical judgment especially influential leaders. Biblically, authority and accountability go hand in hand (e.g., Luke 12:48). The greater the responsibility one holds, the greater the accountability one has before God and His people. Teachers should be extremely careful not to mislead any believer, for their calling carries with it a strict judgment (James 3:1). They should therefore be grateful when sincere Christians take the time to correct whatever erroneous doctrine they may be preaching to the masses. And should the criticisms be unfounded they should respond in the manner prescribed by Scripture: to correct misguided doctrinal opposition with gentle instruction (2 Tim. 2:25). There is of course another side to this issue: criticism often can be sinful, leading to rebellion and unnecessary division. Christians should respect the leaders that God has given them (Heb. 13:17). Theirs is the task of assisting the church in its spiritual growth and doctrinal understanding (Eph. 4:11-16). At the same time believers should be aware that false teachers will arise among the Christian fold (Acts 20:28; 2 Pet. 2:1). This makes it imperative for us to test all things by Scripture, as the Bereans were commended for doing when they examined the words of the apostle Paul (Acts 17:11). The Bible is useful not only for preaching, teaching, and encouragement, but for correcting and rebuking (2 Tim. 4:2). In fact, Christians are held accountable for proclaiming the whole will of God and warning others of false teachings and teachers (Acts 20:26-28; cf. Ezek. 33:7-9; 34:1-10). We would do well to heed Scripture's repeated warnings to be on guard for false teachings (e.g., Rom. 16:17-18; cf. 1 Tim. 1:3-4; 4:16; 2 Tim. 1:13-14; Tit. 1:9; 2:1), and to point them out to believers (2 Tim. 4:6). With so much scriptural support, such actions can hardly be considered unbiblical. Here is what Charles Spurgeon said about false teachers: "I cannot endure false doctrine, however neatly it may be put before me. Would you have me eat poisoned meat because the dish is of the choicest ware? It makes me indignant when I hear another gospel put before the people with enticing words by man who would fair make merchandise of souls; and I marvel at those who have soft words for such deceivers. "That is your bigotry," says one. Call it so if you like; but it is the BIGOTRY OF THE LOVING JOHN, who wrote, "If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into your house, neither bid him Godspeed; for he that biddeth him Godspeed is partaker of his evil deeds." I would to God we all had more of such decision, for the lack of it is depriving our religious life of its backbone and substituting for honest manliness a mass of tremulous jelly of mutual flattery. HE WHO DOES NOT HATE THE FALSE DOES NOT LOVE THE TRUE; and he to whom it is all the same, whether it be God's word or man's, is himself unrenewed at heart. Oh, if some of you were like your fathers, you would not have tolerated in this age the wagon loads of trash under which the gospel has been of late buried by ministers of your own choosing. The apostle spake by inspiration when he said, "If we or an angel from heaven preach to you any other gospel than that ye have received, let him be accursed." According to modern effeminacy he ought to have said, "Let him be kindly spoken with in private, but pray make no stir. No doubt the good brother has his own original modes of thought and we must not question his liberty. Doubtless he believes the same as we do, only there is some little difference as to terms." This is treason to Christ and treachery to truth and cruelty to souls. IF WE LOVE OUR LORD, WE SHALL KEEP HIS WORDS AND STAND FAST IN THE FAITH, coming out from among the false teachers. Nor is this inconsistent with charity; for the truest love to those who err is not to fraternize with them in their error, but to be faithful to Jesus Christ in all things." Here is what Charles Spurgeon said about the "wretched indifferentism" of his day: "We have been likened by one of our opponents to the boy in the fable who cried, "Wolf!" The parallel only fails in the all-important point that he cried "Wolf!" when there was none, and we are crying "Wolf!" when packs of them are howling so loudly that it would be superfluous for us to shout at all if a wretched indifferentism had not brought a deep slumber upon those who ought to guard the flocks. The evidence is to our mind so overwhelming that we thought that our statements only gave voice to a matter of common notoriety. Either we are dreaming, or our brethren are; let the godly judge who it is that is asleep." J. Gresham Machen had some insightful thoughts on these leaders that tell us to just love everybody regardless of what they teach: "That disaster is a figure of what will come of optimism in the churches of today. Superficially our ecclesiastical life seems to be progressing as it always did: the cabins are full of comfortable passengers; the orchestra is playing a lively air; the rows of lighted windows shine cheerfully out into the night. But all the time death is lurking beneath. In this time of deadly peril there are leaders who say that all is well; there are leaders who decry controversy and urge peace, declaring that the church is all perfectly loyal and true. God forgive them, brethren! I say it with all my heart: may God forgive them for the evil that they are doing to Christ’s little ones: may the Holy Spirit open their eyes while yet there is time! Meanwhile, in the case of many of the churches, the great ship rushes onward to the risk, at least, of doom." Here is what Charles Spurgeon said about taking a stand: "We admire a man who was firm in the faith, say four hundred years ago...but such a man today is a nuisance, and must be put down...Yet imagine in those ages past, Luther, Zwingle, Calvin, and their compeers had said, 'The world is out of order; but if we try to set it right we shall only make a great row, and get ourselves into disgrace. Let us go to our chambers, put on our night-caps, and sleep over the bad times, and perhaps when we wake up things will have grown better.' Such conduct on their part would have entailed upon us a heritage of error. Age after age would have gone down into the infernal deeps, and the pestiferous bogs of error would have swallowed all. These men loved the faith and the name of Jesus too well to see them trampled on. It is today as it was in the Reformers days. Decision is needed. Here is the day for the man, where is the man for the day? We who have had the gospel passed to us by martyr hands dare not triffle with it, nor sit by and hear it denied by traitors, who pretend to love it, but inwardly abhor every line of it...Look you sirs, there are ages yet to come. If the Lord does not speedily appear, there will come another generation, and another, and all these generations will be tainted and injured if we are not faithful to God and to His truth today. We have come to a turning point in the road. If we turn to the right mayhap our children and our children's children will go that way; but if we turn to the left, generations yet unborn will curse our names for having been unfaithful to God and to His Word." Baruch Habbah Hashem Adonia, Dave} | ||
| iamlives (iamlives) New member Username: iamlives Post Number: 13 Registered: 7-2005 Posted From: 4.244.123.27 |
heavenbound- Jesus was accused of casting of performing miracles by the power of Satan. God desires the truth to be SHOUTED from the rooftops concerning wolves in sheep's clothing. Satan desires that God's children be duped by false ministers. Concerning "touch not God's anointed"..... I touch you RW SCHAMBACH in the name of the LORD! You greedy, robbing wolf in sheep's clothing! QUIT lying about God! Quit telling the widows that they have robbed God by witholding tithes and offerings to YOU! You heap up condemnation upon the innocent! You brag about your robbery, all in the name of God!!! You use the scripture concerning Elijah being sustained by a widow during severe famine as an excuse to rob poor widows of their meager incomes to support YOU, you while YOU are NOT living during a FAMINE! no, No, NO! What excuse do you have for robbing God's widow????? You, who sit in your palatial OPPULENCE! You, who have your mansion along with your FANCY clothing, expensive vehicles, EXPENSIVE JEWELRY, et al! Why don't you take what YOU own, sell it, give to the POOR, and follow God according to His commands, NOT YOUR OWN! I take the ROD of God's INDIGNATION, AND STRIKE YOU ON THE HEAD, YOU RAVAGING WOLF!!! YES! YOU CAME IN ANOTHER WAY! YOU OPEN THE DOOR FOR ROBBERS, MURDERERS, AND THIEVES TO COME INTO MY SHEEPFOLD! I, THE LORD GOD, WILL REQUIRE EVERY LAST BIT OF FLESH, BLOOD, HOOF AND HORN FROM YOUR POCKETBOOK RW SCHAMBACH! YOU SPIRITUAL ABORTIONIST! YOU HEAP UP HEAVY BURDENS THAT YOU YOURSELF WOULD NEVER STOOP DOWN TO CARRY, THEREFORE PREVENTING THOSE WHO ARE ESCAPING THE LUSTS OF THE WORLD FROM ENTERING INTO MY KINGDOM! IT WILL BE MORE TOLERABLE FOR SODOM AND GOMORRAH IN THE DAY OF JUDGMENT THAN IT WILL BE FOR YOU! | ||
| anony (anony) Member Username: anony Post Number: 81 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 69.151.240.130 |
WOW! This would apply to all the robbers and liars on all Christian television and churches that follow their greedy, lying ways. | ||
| jeepman (jeepman) New member Username: jeepman Post Number: 11 Registered: 9-2005 Posted From: 63.145.28.66 |
THE classic Schambach statement: "You don't have trouble. All you need is faith in God"....Where in God's Holy Word does it say that faith-filled people are trouble-free? Jeepman | ||
| love22698 (love22698) Intermediate Member Username: love22698 Post Number: 132 Registered: 7-2005 Posted From: 68.119.34.167 |
no wwhere that i know of . i think that shambach is a good preacher who has gone ove to the prosperity gospel and has gotten entangled in that. he need to get out and repent of that | ||
| ihavesinned (ihavesinned) Member Username: ihavesinned Post Number: 83 Registered: 9-2005 Posted From: 71.112.180.149 |
Love22698, When can I see you again? Ever since our last parting I have thought about nothing else. Why do you return my letters? You know I am dying to have you again. Please come back. I yearn for you tragically, A.T. Tappman, Chaplain, U.S. Army | ||
| love22698 (love22698) Intermediate Member Username: love22698 Post Number: 214 Registered: 7-2005 Posted From: 68.119.37.215 |
huh?? | ||
| love22698 (love22698) Intermediate Member Username: love22698 Post Number: 216 Registered: 7-2005 Posted From: 68.119.37.215 |
a.t. tappman... what are you talking about. we have never met. i dont know you and am sure you dont know me. what is with you are you some kind of pervert? i am not interested. already married and am happy. not interested. | ||
| ihavesinned (ihavesinned) Intermediate Member Username: ihavesinned Post Number: 114 Registered: 9-2005 Posted From: 71.112.180.149 |
Sorry, Thought you were somebody else. | ||
| rachelengland (rachelengland) Intermediate Member Username: rachelengland Post Number: 304 Registered: 5-2005 Posted From: 4.159.5.5 |
ahahahaha..she hasn't read catch 22 ihs-your such an antagonist-she doesn't find it a turn on-what a joker | ||
| cocotte New member Username: cocotte Post Number: 1 Registered: 5-2007 Posted From: 68.195.28.74 |
I can say that I just love pastor Schambach ; he talks about the laws of God.God wants us to be prosperous.Givers cannot be vilified ;God loves a cheerful giver.I love Schambach Ministries because a Christian who loves to give to the body of Jesus Christ will be rewarded in every aspect of his/her life.We emulate Jesus when we give ;Jesus gave and gave even his life as our redeemer he gave his blood for us.Even the old widow who gave her last coins was blessed ;read your bible before you criticize a man of God ;Rev Schambach is anointed big time.Jealous and misers cannot accept his ministry. Lylia Stevenson Lylia Stevenson | ||
| anony New member Username: anony Post Number: 1 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 70.240.79.186 |
Jealous of what?...and how do you figure that all who disagree with their money raising schemes and worldly lifestyles are misers? That's a non sequitur if you ask me and the usual "if you criticize my ministry its because you are jealous of my money". A pitiful commentary on the worldly mentality of these people. You too if you think that way. I have nothing more than this against Schambach, but I do have it against all of them. Unfortunately they are spiritually suckered with the worldly self-serving thinking of prosperity teaching. Jim Bakker said it took him months in prison before he was finally able to see though it by the light of scripture. |
