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dream_truth
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Username: dream_truth
Post Number: 407
Registered: 3-2006
Posted From: 72.224.174.226
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I was recently contacted by someone from a group called the Path. They told me this group is an offshoot of Coj, and that there are other offshoots as well, including one in Brazil. Has anyone heard of this group, or others which branched out? Apparently there is more to the story. |
laetamini
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Username: laetamini
Post Number: 22
Registered: 5-2006
Posted From: 70.126.175.213
| | Posted on Monday, May 15, 2006 - 7:28 am: |
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I've never heard of it....would have to be new w/in the past year and that would highly surprise me.... |
exmonk
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Username: exmonk
Post Number: 24
Registered: 5-2006
Posted From: 24.163.55.194
| | Posted on Monday, May 15, 2006 - 7:57 am: |
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The plot thickens...I would love to hear more on that subject. |
searchlight
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Username: searchlight
Post Number: 24
Registered: 5-2006
Posted From: 70.19.219.227
| | Posted on Monday, May 15, 2006 - 9:14 am: |
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Wow, that's crazy! Why have none of us heard about this?? |
dream_truth
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Username: dream_truth
Post Number: 409
Registered: 3-2006
Posted From: 207.121.36.112
| | Posted on Monday, May 15, 2006 - 9:18 am: |
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Actually, from what I was told, it was started in the 60's too. I can only hypothesize, but I imagine if we knew there were other groups it would diminish the whole "we are select" mentality. I never knew about the cannan sisterhood of mary, which is apparently what CoJ is an offshoot of, so it doesnt surprise me that much....I'm going to see if I can get some more info on it. |
dream_truth
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Username: dream_truth
Post Number: 410
Registered: 3-2006
Posted From: 207.121.36.112
| | Posted on Monday, May 15, 2006 - 9:23 am: |
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I remember Cay and Judy doing a bunch of evangalizing in Rio during the early 80s (I think) I wonder if that has anything to do with the Brazil location....just food for thought anyways. |
searchlight
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Username: searchlight
Post Number: 25
Registered: 5-2006
Posted From: 70.19.219.227
| | Posted on Monday, May 15, 2006 - 9:28 am: |
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oh ya...that's right....Was that why they needed their own plane??!!! |
mandm336
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Username: mandm336
Post Number: 3
Registered: 5-2006
Posted From: 207.200.116.135
| | Posted on Monday, May 15, 2006 - 9:52 am: |
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Wow, this is interesting. I wonder how you would find out more information?? I didn't even realize C & J went off "evangalizing" though I do remember that they did have their own plane. |
laetamini
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Username: laetamini
Post Number: 24
Registered: 5-2006
Posted From: 70.126.175.213
| | Posted on Monday, May 15, 2006 - 10:35 am: |
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The plane was in the Rochester/3D days. It wasn't the CJ's per-se, altho' it was very much at the beck & call of the M's needs at that time. Truthfully, I think Rio & 'The Path' really aren't connected to the Community of Jesus on Cape Cod in any manner. Really, there are way too many pans in the fire between the building program and the band going to Korea and a myriad of other things going on. I think there must be some other community that these are off-shoots of. I was very 'connected' to things, so I think my info. is pretty solid on this subject. |
dream_truth
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Username: dream_truth
Post Number: 413
Registered: 3-2006
Posted From: 207.121.36.112
| | Posted on Monday, May 15, 2006 - 10:38 am: |
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is your info from within the coj or from outside? just wondering...I just dont know why someone would have told me this if it wasnt true. I'm not saying the groups stayed affiliated, just that one was created as an offshoot of the other, the same way coj was created as an offshoot from the cannan sisterhood. |
laetamini
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Username: laetamini
Post Number: 25
Registered: 5-2006
Posted From: 70.126.175.213
| | Posted on Monday, May 15, 2006 - 10:41 am: |
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from within the cofj, but I was working in a position where I WOULD have knowledge of offshoots. Who knows, maybe I'm wrong, but I don't think I am!  . I did know about the cannan sisterhood, etc. Mother Basilea was a 'big deal' in the early days. Somewhere along the line I heard things went off the tracks with her. I was too young in the early days to know specifics about Mother Baselea, but her name was revered early on. |
dream_truth
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Username: dream_truth
Post Number: 415
Registered: 3-2006
Posted From: 207.121.36.112
| | Posted on Monday, May 15, 2006 - 10:51 am: |
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this is what i know of the story:
Two women had visited the CoJ in the early days, and then got their own "message from God" on the way home and as a result started thier own group. Much of the teachings they used were from coj and mother basilea. I dont think the groups would have had to stay affiliated to be considered an offshoot ...not trying to argue here, I just think its possible there are offshoots out there that even the most informed members might not be aware of. |
laetamini
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Username: laetamini
Post Number: 26
Registered: 5-2006
Posted From: 70.126.175.213
| | Posted on Monday, May 15, 2006 - 11:18 am: |
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were the two women twins, perchance?? |
pandersen
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Username: pandersen
Post Number: 7
Registered: 5-2006
Posted From: 70.70.130.120
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Cay and Judy were associated back in the mid-1960s with Theodora Gordon Hall and her daughter Harriet. They were the authors of some of the mystical songs the CoJ likes ("O the precious Blood"; "Jesus my Savior, Thou are coming..." and others). Theodora was the granddaughter of Evangelist TJ Gordon, founder of Gordon College and Seminary.
Theodora and Harriet introduced Cay and Judy to the teachings of Anglo-Israelism (a la Herbert W. Armstrong) and to a very wierd mystical group from the midwest that claimed to already have their "resurrection bodies." It was strange beyond belief. They were an outgrowth of the Charismatic movement of the 60s.
The connection between the CoJ and Mother Basilea and why they parted ways is a whole other and unbelieveable story, having to do with C&J's romantic relationship and Judy's love affair with a former Sister, who left in 1969 and joined the Sisterhood of Mary.
It's all so bizarre that many of you would have trouble giving it any credence. |
dream_truth
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Username: dream_truth
Post Number: 422
Registered: 3-2006
Posted From: 207.121.36.112
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I wouldnt. I have much I would like to discuss regarding my own experiences with C&J as a child. It is so difficult to harbor secrets which no one would ever believe because these people are considered infallible and incapable of doing wrong. |
searchlight
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Username: searchlight
Post Number: 29
Registered: 5-2006
Posted From: 70.19.219.227
| | Posted on Monday, May 15, 2006 - 2:27 pm: |
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not me, panderson! I'm all ears. I find this information gathering essential to letting go of the fear, the myths etc. Please go on! These stories have always been circulating on a cladestine level, but we were always told they were absolutely false and it was just an "attack" of the devil on the community. |
exmonk
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Username: exmonk
Post Number: 29
Registered: 5-2006
Posted From: 24.163.55.194
| | Posted on Monday, May 15, 2006 - 2:52 pm: |
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Oh yes,Pandersen,
If you are willing we are eager to hear all that. Espcially when I found out Judy was a practicing lesbian (I have nothing against lesbians) all the while preaching abstinance to everyone including married people. She really had balls to be the authority on Christian sexuality (pun intended)We are all ears. |
searchlight
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Username: searchlight
Post Number: 30
Registered: 5-2006
Posted From: 70.19.219.227
| | Posted on Monday, May 15, 2006 - 3:12 pm: |
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Yes, the direction, in some specific cases, for abstinance in married couples always seemed completely unbiblical...... |
pandersen
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Username: pandersen
Post Number: 8
Registered: 5-2006
Posted From: 70.70.130.120
| | Posted on Monday, May 15, 2006 - 3:19 pm: |
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Heidi was C&J's closest confidant for many years. After we were married she told me about all the sordid stuff that went on. Apparently C&J said that from their first meeting at the Church of the Holy Spirit in Orleans in 1958, there was a physical attraction between them. They were sharing the same bed from the time we and the Sorensen's shared a house at Crystal Lake in 1961. Judy claims it was Cay who initiated the physical relationship. None of us had even the slightest inkling what was going on in spite of the obvious outward signs. And all the while they would condemn homosexual practices. They felt themselves to be such anointed Elect of God that the rules that applied to the common folk were not for them.
After Mother Basilea came to RH in 1968 and co-founded the Sisterhood at RH with the four first Sisters, Judy and one of these Sisters became lovers. Cay became insanely jealous; Judy was threating to run away with that Sister. The whole thing blew up, the Sister was sent to Damstadt where she became an ESOM, and Cay and Judy were to have submitted themselves to the discipline of the Mother's in Germany. Well C&J soon became tired of being subject to someone else's authority, and broke ties with Darmstadt.
They continued to live and sleep together for as long as anyone knows. They lived lush lives in their posh apartment, where they would spend their days drinking and reading cheap magazines. Booze was smuggled up the apartment by a select group of Sisters during all-Community meetings so no one would notice it.
When I was at RH for my dad's funeral, Judy admitted to one of her children that it was all true about their relationship (but "don't say anything to Peter about it").
The pilots of their private plane once commented to someone, that they had never seen anyone consume so much alcohol as C&J, not even company executives they flew for. |
sorrycharlie
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Username: sorrycharlie
Post Number: 1
Registered: 5-2006
Posted From: 72.57.23.18
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I'm ex-GCC, but I have plenty of ties to CofJ as well (my sister lives there). Panderson, your explanations have confirmed some long-time suspicions of mine concerning the Mothers, and for that I thank you. I was inundated with references to these two women by Father during my entire childhood, and based on that I can only assume that the relationship between the leaders of the two communities was completely open. So did Charles and Betty (or Al and Mary) know about these "sordid details" all along? If so, were they involved in the hypocrisy and maintaining the facade? As important as debunking the mythology of the Mothers is to all of you ex-CJers, understanding any and all corruption at Grenville, the place I called home for over 20 years, is crucial for me to sort through the debris that my upbringing has left behind in my head. I know that there is stuff that I don't know about. If there are any other ex-GCCs like me, I'm thinking about starting another thread.
To all who have posted, I appreciate your honesty and candour. It's very therapeutic for me. |
beyondfear
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Username: beyondfear
Post Number: 6
Registered: 5-2006
Posted From: 24.63.119.152
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Hi sorrycharlie - I got a laugh from your screen name.  I'm figuring that's a reference to the man who made many people's lives a misery for all the years he led GCC. I still have dreams about being back there - strange, after all these years still to be emotionally affected by the place. Just wanted to say welcome - and I hope you can find other GCCers to join in a similar discussion. I spent four years at GCC, so I know what it was like. Not too pretty and definitely emotionally scarring. FF used to say to the girls, "You know, you're just like a b-tch in heat" if he thought we were becoming too interested in boys - which, by the way, took only the fact of being a girl to have him make such comments. It was degrading and sick. I'm glad you're out, sc, and I hope you're finding happiness in your freedom. |
exmonk
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Username: exmonk
Post Number: 32
Registered: 5-2006
Posted From: 24.163.55.194
| | Posted on Monday, May 15, 2006 - 8:59 pm: |
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SC, The answer is yes to some of the sludge. Not all. I am sorry for the scars inflicted by the said individual you are referring too. Nough said... |
sorrycharlie
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Username: sorrycharlie
Post Number: 2
Registered: 5-2006
Posted From: 72.57.23.18
| | Posted on Monday, May 15, 2006 - 11:12 pm: |
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Thanks exmonk. It's been a crazy day, getting a tip about this site and being so affected by what I've read here. I appreciate your response. |
exgcc
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Username: exgcc
Post Number: 1
Registered: 5-2006
Posted From: 84.68.76.232
| | Posted on Tuesday, May 16, 2006 - 10:04 am: |
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Thanks to all who have posted. I taught at GCC for 20 years and left 8 years ago. Sorry to any I may have harmed. That was not our intent but I can attest that our lives were a living hell. We really felt that if we didn't obey directives from CF we would go to hell. Obedience was all. It was terrifying to leave. Then I found out that God loved me -- and that made the struggle worth it. |
dream_truth
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Username: dream_truth
Post Number: 438
Registered: 3-2006
Posted From: 72.224.166.210
| | Posted on Tuesday, May 16, 2006 - 7:12 pm: |
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hi exgcc and welcome. part of the healing process for me was realizing that some of the people who hurt me were themselves being hurt. It takes a lot of courage to come on a discussion board and make an apology like that. I dont know who you are, but I am just happy that you are out now, and if you have family I hope they are out with you! |
bacchus
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Username: bacchus
Post Number: 1
Registered: 5-2006
Posted From: 68.106.99.48
| | Posted on Tuesday, May 16, 2006 - 8:30 pm: |
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Hi everyone. I think I've read just about everything, and would like to give a standing ovation to DT who I think started this whole thing...hold on........ok I'm done now. Anyhow that took some guts, but man am I grateful for it. I would like to give you all a giant cyber bear-hug. I, like all of you have quite a story to tell, but maybe another time for that. But everyone of you is to be commended and extremely proud of yourselves for your incredible courage to stare down these demons of fear. I left about 4.5 years ago and have found myself dealing with a lot of the same issues as you all. I have just in the past few months had the courage to peel a new layer of the onion off, and have the courage to admit and acknowlage the reality of coj. I don't judge myself for it. Every person's journey is going to be unique for that individual. For me there were other issues from the past that I have been dealing with...yes with my therapist, and only recently been able to take a step back and see the big picture of these issues all falling under a much larger "umbrella" of the coj. It was so overwhelming I slipped into severe anxiety and debilitating depression. I seem to be better the last few weeks, and decided to confront my fear head on. I went to coj this past weekend and surprised my mother by showing up at the door mothers day morning. My mission was to make mom happy and at the same time go into the hell hole and beat the •••• out of the demons that are constantly chattering fear in my head. If I met people I wanted to say hi with a real sense of empowerment. I can't say it was an easy trip, but It was essential (for me anyway) to do this, and I feel like I was able to free myself from a lot of bondage. ...and the best thing has been the timing of discovering the party you guys are having here! |
beyondfear
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Username: beyondfear
Post Number: 12
Registered: 5-2006
Posted From: 24.63.119.152
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Hi Bacchus,
Welcome! We're so glad to have you join us. Wow, that really took guts for you to go the community on Mother's Day. I was just shivering in my boots about making the Mother's day phone call!
I was thinking today about all of us here on this board, and I wanted to say a huge thank you to everyone for their incredible respect for each other and the level of support that each of us has found here. Awakening, if you're still reading this board, I've been meaning to say that just because a lot of us have trouble with the religious language doesn't mean you're not welcome here. Please, stay around, give us your input, too. I think one of the most powerful things about this forum is that we're expressing ourselves and listening to one another without judgment or ridicule but rather with love and respect. Thank you, everyone, for this. |
bacchus
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Username: bacchus
Post Number: 2
Registered: 5-2006
Posted From: 68.106.99.48
| | Posted on Wednesday, May 17, 2006 - 7:33 am: |
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Thanks BF for that, and thanks to pandersen for writing about a lot of stuff that we had heard over the years but were made to believe you were the "great satan" and not to even think about what came from you in the past as we would be in league with the devil. Now I know that was a bunch lies we were told. You are a good man and have my respect. When I was a kid I knew Heidi and really liked her. She was always kind to me. I have been able to triangleate (shoot I wish there was spell check) most of what you have said from other sources that don't know what you've said here. This helps me to realize the truth and reality of everything you said.
SL, as for the candles...I think I somehow missed that too. I do remember the same so called prophesy about the being in a house and everyone not opening the door for the screaming voices, but I remember it coming up in a meeting maybe 25 years ago. I don't remember the 3 day thing or any candles, which makes this interesting. I wonder...did she elaborate this fear inducing prophecy into the 3 dark days? If she didn't, why didn't I get a candle 25 years ago. I feel jipped. I have carried that incredible fear with me though about that for all these years...thinking that if I left, I would be one of those unfortunate screamers. |
spain
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Username: spain
Post Number: 1
Registered: 5-2006
Posted From: 24.94.50.219
| | Posted on Wednesday, May 17, 2006 - 2:25 pm: |
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Thanks to all who have written. I was also a teacher at GCC. I, too, am very sorry for any suffering I caused. After many years of professional therapy I have mainly recovered from the clinical depression I suffered in my last years there. The process of learning what mind-control we were all under, and then being able to move on to a new life now has taken many years. You young people who grew up in either place have suffered more. You have my support and congratulations for the courage it took to leave. |
expathmember
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Username: expathmember
Post Number: 1
Registered: 5-2006
Posted From: 162.83.48.226
| | Posted on Wednesday, May 24, 2006 - 9:11 am: |
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I can guarantee that the info you heard here regarding the group "The Path" as an offshoot of COJ is true- because I am a former Path member- and the niece-in-law of one of the women in question- Mary Ellen "Melly" Mackenzie- the "teacher" of this group- she and Shirley Jones - the "Prophetess" - both from the Albany, NY area, visited Cay & Judy possibly more than once, probably in the mid- '60s, and started the Path after that. On their way home from Cape Cod of course they had a word from God just like Cay and Judy!
The Sisterhood of Mary teachings figured largely for us, as well. So did teachings of Watchman Nee, Jim McKeever, as well as apparently discredited author Mel Tari (sp?), and others such as Derek Prince, & Smith Wigglesworth.
But truly, our lives were built around the words supposedly from God, through the mouth of Shirley Jones, and the associated teachings of Melly Mackenzie. These others were authors of books we read in addition, especially as we were not allowed to read any non-sanctioned literature (or consume any other non-sanctioned media, of course.).
Our main focus was "healings from the past," a psychological mechanism which was supposed to be for our benefit, but ultimately was used to try to change our personalities, preparations for the End Times (as it was believed that Christians would go through them), and spiritual warfare.
Even those in your inner circle might not have known of the existence of the Path if COJ was merely the starting point- we likely didn't continue association. I was told by another member who also visited COJ with Melly that Melly had been told by Cay or Judy that she had spiritual pride, so it's not surprising that she would not continue the association.
Also, are you saying Cay & Judy were lovers? This would explain some of the oddness of the Path being woman led, the pre-eminence of women over men, men often being told they were being rebellious and "off the Path" (they should have been so lucky...) and some of the odd sexual things going on- Path "seer" Phil Jones- son of the prophetess, would sexually assault and exploit women, tell them it was God’s will and their fault (because, he said, that they were sending out sexual spirits, and that they needed to constantly "bind" them), & then use this situation to control them.
Anyway, it's all true, and many of our former members struggle still with depression, confusion, and simply torn up lives. One woman said, "I've been on every anti-depressant there is." Most of us had our relationships with our families of origin pretty completely destroyed, as they were always blamed for our "hurts from the past," and they were considered a likely source of "spiritual death" for us, if we continued assocation with them. I personally left my college, my major, the man I loved, my family, and my part of the country, because I did not know what a cult was, even though I wondered it about the Path.
I'm sure much of this is the same for former members of COJ.
I agree with sorrycharlie and dream-truth in another thread- I cannot think of any reason that these people should not be exposed for what they are doing and what they have done. They are evil, and evilly destroying the lives of others. |
searchlight
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Username: searchlight
Post Number: 44
Registered: 5-2006
Posted From: 70.19.193.7
| | Posted on Wednesday, May 24, 2006 - 9:28 am: |
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Thank you so much expathmember!! It's just another piece of the puzzle to help us all see the whole picture! |
dream_truth
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Username: dream_truth
Post Number: 499
Registered: 3-2006
Posted From: 207.121.36.112
| | Posted on Wednesday, May 24, 2006 - 12:33 pm: |
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Hi expathmember! Thanks for your input on this offshoot of CoJ. It makes me wonder how many more there are out there. Do you still have contact with other exmembers? |
expathmember
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Username: expathmember
Post Number: 3
Registered: 5-2006
Posted From: 162.83.48.226
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Hi DT,
Yes, I do: I married into the group, after all, and have remained in that marriage...
My husband's cousins are also former members, of course, as they are children of the former leader, who is still around involved in other Charismatic "stuff," and my husband's sisters were also both in the group- as was one brother-in-law.
It took years after the group split in 1980 to get beyond the intense constant guilt and self-hatred (etc.) - mostly by getting cult specific counseling- but other former members of this group (total maybe 150-200 former members of the Path- maybe more?) are still tied up in knots inside, as I said.
I also have a couple girlfriends from then that I'm still in touch with.
Some of us participated in a sociologist's research interview on cult marriages and family relationships- I can get you, or anyone else, here, in touch with her for the study, if you're interested. |
samham
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Username: samham
Post Number: 1
Registered: 5-2006
Posted From: 199.232.151.3
| | Posted on Wednesday, May 31, 2006 - 8:46 am: |
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I am new this board -- referred by a former COJ member that I still have contact with. I was a member and my family was deeply involved. My mother and my youngest sister are still members. I was reading the postings of panderson and remembering so many things from when I was a kid. Panderson -- do you remember Jill and/or Eric and/or yourself babysitting for some kids on Finlay Road when you lived at Crystal Lake? Just wondering.... I remember Jill babysitting and playing with Eric... I also remember almost all of the things you are discussing as my parents were involved from way back. It scares me to think that the COJ has not really changed -- they just have a better grip on their public relations. |
dream_truth
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Username: dream_truth
Post Number: 541
Registered: 3-2006
Posted From: 207.121.36.112
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Hi samham
Welcome! I agree with what you said there about them just having a better grip on PR. It also doenst hurt that they practically run the town. Jill used to take care of me when I was a little girl. |
searchlight
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Username: searchlight
Post Number: 53
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Posted From: 70.19.253.192
| | Posted on Wednesday, May 31, 2006 - 10:31 am: |
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Hey DT,
They're not really that involved in the town anymore......as far as I know....... |
dream_truth
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Username: dream_truth
Post Number: 549
Registered: 3-2006
Posted From: 207.121.36.112
| | Posted on Wednesday, May 31, 2006 - 10:36 am: |
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Really? I lived in the town as a non-CJer for a while and all of my non CJ friends seemed to think differently. I could have wrong information, but I was told they filled up a lot of the town positions, and when there is a town meeting which has an issue which affects them they literally flood the place. I've also been told stories of, well, I cant say it here on this board, but lets just say money is power. Like I said, though, this is all just heresay at the momment. |
melbalu
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Post Number: 1
Registered: 12-2006
Posted From: 72.43.9.66
| | Posted on Thursday, December 28, 2006 - 1:41 am: |
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This is a belated posting as i have just discovered this site. I have a strange connection to the COJ, The Sisters and the Path. As young teen I was taken to visit the Community of Jesus (our church in Stanwich, CT had some kind of connection to the community. I also recall that a couple in our church Harry and Patty Klienert who I was very fond of, joined the community at some point. I am also a neice of the woman who started the PATH (Prayer and Thanksgiving House) with another woman Shirley Jones..and our lives were never the same. My parents started living communally on a farm in upstate new york in 1975 with my Aunt and others under the auspices of the PATH (which I now know to be a cult). Many of my cousins joined the group. I was (fortunately) a rebellious teenager who was always being threatened with being sent to stay with the Sisters of Mary in Germany (The sisters would visit the Farm on occasion) My rebellious nature is what saved me. I watched cousins and other Pathmembers marry spouses who were handpicked for them by the leaders of the Path. When I married my first wedding was boycotted by the family -- because I had strayed from what the Path heirarchy thought was in store for me. It became frightening to come home (and my parent's home had become the center of the Path community) Path members were told not to let anyone know that they were Christians. Land was secretly purchased in Canada for the "end times" and food was stockpiled. Path members were instructed to carry stacks of little 3x5 cards with list of spirits which were to be repeatedly cast out through out the day. Notebooks were kept with prophesies from God which as I recall occured around the clock. Anyone who questioned or left the group was severly ostracized and psychologically abused. Those who stayed (I now realize) suffered even more. The pain and damage caused by this cult cannot be measured except in the wreakage of families and marriages. I was lucky. I could never accept the requirement that there was only one way to God. I cannot tell you how liberating it is for me -- to sit here late at night and read this blog. This has been a painful memory one that I rarely talk about-- and yet reading the truth about the community of Jesus, the sisters of Mary and the Path is a rather healing experience albeit exhausting. A slight addendum to the notes by the ex-Path member-- It is my understanding that after the Path broke up certain members joined The House of Prayer in Syracuse run by a Brother Frank. This church followed the teachings of a guisseppe Petrelli (sp?)an individual who left the Catholic Church. I heard that Brother Frank had a little trouble with income tax evasion..... I have always thought that this was yet one more cult... Does anyone have any information on this group? |
samham
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Username: samham
Post Number: 40
Registered: 5-2006
Posted From: 199.232.151.1
| | Posted on Thursday, December 28, 2006 - 8:13 am: |
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Melbalu - Thank you so much for your posting and yet another insight into the Path. These two cults (Path & COJ) are so closely related in their practices, it is scary. I was a "rebellious" one too, and feel that it saved my life. I vaguely remember the Kleinarts I believe as non-resident members maybe? I was young then. I have never heard of the House of Prayer so I cannot help you on that topic. However, I welcome you to this board and hope that you get as much help and healing as you need from the stories it contains. |
expathmember
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Username: expathmember
Post Number: 29
Registered: 5-2006
Posted From: 72.66.148.50
| | Posted on Sunday, January 28, 2007 - 11:30 pm: |
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Hi Melbalu,
Yes indeed, many former Path members followed Melly, for a time, to the House of Prayer in Syracuse, run by a Brother Frank. I don't know about the income tax questions, nor whether or not this was another cult, although it was a rather closed group. My husband and I visited the church several times, and it was much more "normal" than Path meetings. I was interested, though, to see Brother Frank's likeness, and that of another church leader, posted in families' homes, alongside that of Jesus.
I'm wondering who your parents were, Melbalu, and I think we know each other. You may contact me back channel if you like.
And thanks for the reminder about the cards and the lists- do you have any left? I think they used the thesaurus to come up with those spirit lists.
The constant binding of spirits, going through checklists (26 questions long), and so called spiritual warfare (thinking there was a demon or evil spirit causing every problem), not to mention going through so-called healings, caused altered states of consciousness keeping us suggestible and susceptable to Path doctrine.
If this is helpful to you Melbalu, I'm glad.
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I had no clue about any of this and find it so interesting. It's amazing all the hypocrisy that went on and we went along with it for years thinking that the leaders were annointed by God. Good grief! |