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ezekiel_37
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Posted From: 24.43.16.51
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What is it to Blaspheme the Holy Spirit?
Let's study that in detail!
Mark 13:9 "But take heed to yourselves: for they shall deliver you up to councils; and in the synagogues ye shall be beaten: and ye shall be brought before rulers and kings for My sake, for a testimony against them."
the synagogues of Satan Rev2,3
Mark 13:10 "And the gospel must first be published among all nations."
in the near future the elect will be singled out, and then the Holy Spirit of God will speak through His 'election' and will finger Satan as being the false messiah.
Mark 13:11 "But when they shall lead you, and deliver you up, take no thought beforehand what ye shall speak, neither do ye premeditate: but whatsoever shall be given you in that hour, that speak ye: for it is not ye that speak, but the Holy Ghost."
the elect of God don"t speak, but the Holy Spirit speaks in and through the mouths of His elect. This is why Peter would teach the people in Acts 2, on Pentecost day; "This is that which was spoken of by Joel the Prophet."
Acts 2:16: "But this is that which was spoken by the prophet Joel;"
Acts 2:17 "And it shall come to pass in the last days,' saith God, `I will pour out of My Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and you old men shall dream dreams:"
Acts 2:18 "And on My servants and on My handmaidens I will pour out in those days of My Spirit; and they shall prophesy:"
Acts 2:19 "And I will shew wonders in heaven above, and signs in the earth beneath; blood, and fire, and vapour of smoke:"
Acts 2:20 "The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before that great and notable day of the Lord come:"
Acts 2:21 "And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call on the name of the Lord shall be saved.' "
When the sons and daughter speak, it will be heard in every language and dialect in the world. The elect will allow God to speak directly through them. Thus the true gospel of Christ will be spoken.
It is unforgivable for one that has the knowledge of the time that we live in, and refuse to allow the Holy Spirit to use it.
Luke 21:14 "Settle it therefore in your hearts, not to meditate before what ye shall answer:"
we just read in Mark 13:11; prepare yourself now, and then be available for that time when the Holy Spirit can and will use you. Settle it in your mind and be ready.
Luke 21:15 "For I will give you a mouth and wisdom, which all your adversaries shall not be able to gainsay nor resist."
The Holy Spirit will provide the words. When our Heavenly Father speaks through you by His Spirit, the truth will come out of your mouth.
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ezekiel_37
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Luke 12:9 But he that denieth Me before men shall be denied before the angels of God."
Luke 12:10 "And whosoever shall speak a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but unto him that blasphemeth against the Holy Ghost it shall not be forgiven."
Luke 12:11 "And when they bring you unto the synagogues (of Satan-Rev2,3), and unto magistrates, and powers, take ye no thought how or what thing ye shall answer, or what ye shall say:"
Luke 21:12 "For the Holy Ghost shall teach you in that same hour what ye ought to say."
The hour spoken of here is the hour of temptation.
That time when Satan and his fallen angels are here on earth.
Luke 21:16 "And ye shall be betrayed both by parents, and brethren, and kinsfolk, and friends; and some of you shall they cause to be put to death."
Satan has many names and titles...one of these is "death".
Hebrews 2:14 "Forasmuch then as the children are partakers of flesh and blood, He also Himself likewise took part of the same; that through death He might destroy him that had the power of death, that is, the devil:"
Luke 21:17 "And ye shall be hated of all men for My name's sake."
the elect do not go through any wrath, either the Devil's wrath or God's. For there are 2.
Luke 21:18 "But there shall not an hair of your head perish."
Satan and his army can't touch you. The elect are 100% protected but the reat of the world including those who call themselves Chriatians will indeed be touched and have the invisible mark of the beast.....which is not physical but knowlege and obedience.
Well, I guess I'll leave it there for now and welcome comments.
To Baspheme the Holy Spirit is not possible now and only the elect can do this when they are delivered up before Satan who is the anti-Christ/death. Once your accountable, you have to obey...
Peace in Christ's Name
c
Luke 21:19 "In your patience possess ye your souls."
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easeltine
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Matthew 12:31 - And so I tell you, every sin and blasphemy will be forgiven men, but the blasphemy against the Spirit will not be forgiven. Anyone who speaks a word agains the Son of Man will be forgiven, but anyone who speaks against the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven, either IN THIS AGE OR THE AGE TO COME. Make a tree good and its fruit will be good...But I tell you that men will have to give account on the day of JUDGMENT FOR EVERY CARELESS WORD THEY HAVE SPOKEN. FOR BY YOUR WORDS YOU WILL BE ACQUITTED, AND BY YOUR WORDS YOU WILL BE CONDEMNED.
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Mark 3:29 But whoever blasphemes against the Holy Spirit will never be forgiven: he is guilty of an eternal sin. He said this BECAUSE THEY WERE SAYING, "HE HAS AN EVIL SPIRIT."
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Luke 12:10 And whosoever shall speak a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but unto him that blasphemeth against the Holy Ghost it shall not be forgiven.
And when they bring you unto the synagogues and unto magistrates, and powers, take ye no thought how or what thing ye shall answer, or what ye shall say: For the Holy Ghost shall teach you in that same hour what ye ought to say.
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Your eschatology does not match up to the idea that these Scriptures convey. The passage in Matthew is talking about the present age.
The passage in Mark, Jesus is talking about the people that were saying that he had a demon. The passage in Luke would need an insertion to convey the meaning that you interpret.
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Deut. 4:2 - Do not add to what I command you...
Prov. 3:6 - Do not add to His words, or he will rebuke you and prove you a liar.
Galatians 1:7 - ...pervert the gospel of Christ.
Revelations 22:18-19 - I warn everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this book: If anyone adds anything to them. God will add to him the plagues described in this book. And if anyone takes words away from the book of prophecy, God will take away from him his share in the tree of life and in the holy city, which are described in this book.
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The guy on the other thread severly mocked other Christians!
He horribly mocked the Word of God!
Unless he repents from his mockery he will be accountable before God.
He needs to be delivered of a demon of mockery that is inside him by a Christian who has the Gift of Discerning of spirits and who has been annointed, Baptized, by the power of the Holy Spirit.
He needs to go to a minister ASAP to get spiritual counsel.
He has essentially called his brother a fool. Matthew 5:22 says, "But anyone who says, "You fool!' will be in danger of the fire of hell." He needs to do what vs. 23-26 tells him today ASAP.
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Incidently folks, it's the Gift of Speaking in Tongues, and the prayer language of the Spirit. Do not think that calling a Gift of the Holy Spirit, babble-babble, yaba dabba do, etc. will not contain consequences of Almighty God's wrath! |
ezekiel_37
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Hello Erich,
The references to what we are studying are found in the end time prophecy's written in the Gospels to the world.
These are 'end time' references Erich.
Mat24
Mark13
Luke21
They tell the story wonderfully and explain in detail what it is to blaspheme the Holy Spirit. I posted those verses. I am not quite sure to what you are refering? If this unknown prayer language is indeed NOT from God, and infact DOES take away from the truth and allow demonic forces to enter in, then I'm sure God won't mind people using slang to represent those false gifts. If the unknown prayer language IS from God, then those who speak against it do so in ignorance and that is forgivable. What is not forgivable is to 100% know that God is real and wants to use you for a witness to the world by actually speaking through you, (as was the case in ACTS 2 (Pentacost) to deny God the opportunity to do this is indeed UNFORGIVABLE.
That would be outright denying that you want anything to do with God and even though you know 100% that God is real and wants to use you, you say NO to God.....
The prophecy outlined by Christ tells of a trial.
This trial is the only time that the Unforgivable sin is mentioned. And the chapter clearly defines this event and even says that only the 'very elect' are capable of committing this sin....although I do not think that any of the elect will, for they are ELECT, but God shows us this example to teach us of the events to come in those end times, and also to teach that EVERY other sin can be forgiven by God if He so chooses.
Only the elect can commit this sin...and they won't..cause the are indeed elect.
as for the scripture that you presented, I do not see anything that would lead me to think differently about them.
Mark3:29 and Mat12:31 are referencing the same event. Christ goes into more detail in Mat 24, Mar13, Luk21 and from those chapters we can discern what it is to blaspheme the Holy Spirit.
People call God & Jesus names all throughout history...they deny both of them or one of them. Some here on factnet do this each day, but no one is able to blaspheme the Holy Spirit right now, not as it is written. Not until the trial of the elect before Satan/anti-Christ. and this is one of the last major events to happen, as the Good News gets spread to ALL the nations for a final witness of the true Gospel of Christ. Then Messiah returns, praise God!
Indeed the people did accuse Christ of being a devil and casting out demons on the devils authority. This does not change the message. This first attempt of Christ to warn the elect of this soon to come event was later expanded whereas when the deciples asked Christ of How it would be in the Last days, He answered and this teaching is part of that answer.
A witness of the Gospel to the nations. That's the Gift of Tongues as described at Pentacost. I fail to see how you can understand things differently, but we are still brothers/sisters in Christ.
it is my attempt (as I assume it is yours) to drop seeds of truth. No man can make those seeds grow...only the life giving water of God's Word can do that. So, I leave you to ponder these thoughts and come to your own conclusion.
but honestly...all of those verses you gave only support the teaching (as I understand it)that I am exploring with my Pentacostal Brothers and Sisters.
Peace
c |
cs1
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ezekiel_37
you are taking out of context Blaspheming the Holy Spirit Matthews chapter 12 is very clear on this. Keep it with the chapter text, book text, and literal text. Read the whole chapter Jesus said this to who? The Pharisees why because the contributed Jesus casting out devils by the power of the devil. A person must have knowledge of the Holy Spirit to blaspheme Him. It is a SIN of Knowledge and Jesus was giving a very strong warning to them That what they were saying was very bad. Remember scripture interrupts scripture. Your trying to make scripture say what you want it to say that is called Eisogisess.
the most any one can get out of this Chapter IMO is that if you contribute the work of the Holy Spirit to that of the devil and have understanding that you are... that is blasphemy of the Holy Spirit. but you don't have to worry about that as long as you are ignorant to The Holy Spirit. |
ezekiel_37
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Hi cs1...I guess we will agree to disagree.
I find that you are the one who is changing the thought of the verse to make it reflect your position.
As I stated above, Christ taught these teachings, the ones about the elect being delivered up to Death-Satan at the end of the age. You would have to acnowledge this as fact for us to continue in conversation. The time is shortened for the elect's sake. The elect are delivered up before Satan. The elect are 100% protected during this time and ANY WRATH cannot harm them.
Mat 12 touches on this and Christ expands on the end time teaching. Read Mat24, Luk21, Mar13 again. Follow the whole thought through and see if you understand what the message is. It is not about possession in general but about allowing God to speak through you. The blind deaf man was healed and did preach the Good News. The teaching is for the end times and is expanded upon in Mat24, Mar13, Luke 21 and fully in Luke 12... read Luke 12 and understand the teaching. It reads like a book! lol. |
easeltine
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Matthew 12 has nothing to do with the End Time teachings of Matthew 24...end of discussion for me.
I will not acknowledge a "fact" that definitly-no doubt if one reads the context of Matthew 12, is not true. |
ezekiel_37
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deliverance
it's a 'type' erich
Peace
c |
cs1
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ezekiel_37 my friend we do disagree LOL your Allegorical take on Matthews 12 is not correct. it is not the thought of scripture as you say "Follow the whole thought through and see if you understand what the message is." in the chapter text, paragrph text and context of what Jesus WAS saying at that TIME in Matthews 12 and to WHO he was saying it to and WHY He was saying it; and HOW do we apply it to Our lives is How we should look at Chapter 12 of Matthews. |
ezekiel_37
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Again...it's a type...Christ expands on this late and more clearly in different chapters and Gospel accounts...
Remember...the elect are to be delivered up...I hope we do not disagree there. I see a conection in the scriptures because of multiple reasons.
1 being the teaching of what to blaspheme the Holy Spirit is.
The same is tauaght in the other accounts.
The same examples are given.
One can blaspheme God the Father, and Christ, but not the Holy Spirit, for when the Spirit is present, there is absolutely no denying that it is God, and if one is to disagree then they are saying 100% no to God (who they know is real) and that is unforgivable.
Mat 12 is a type. It's about deliverance, and about SPREADING THE GOSPEL, and also a teaching to His desciples about what will happen to them when they themselves are delivered up before the Pharisee 'types'and ruler 'types' and what happens when they are SPREADING THE GOSPEL.
This is a new commission to the desciples and they are getting instructions. Christ gives those 'election' the truth about what will happen to them. Most of the desciples were martyred (a type for DEATH/who is Satan)but the Gospel was spread through their mouths and God's very own Words....as seen and FULLY explained in ACTS2.
Again...this is a type for the elect in the last days. Christ fully teaches this magnificent event.... when God will choose some to fulfill 'the trial of the elect' prophecy's.
Christ often opena up a subject and then later expland on that for better understanding. This is such a case. A TYPE. |
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NOPE SORRY i DON'T SEE THAT
mathews 12:1-7 Jesus Is Lord of the Sabbath
9-14 Healing on the Sabbath
15-21 Behold, My Servant(whom I have chosen0
22-30 A House Divided Cannot Stand
31-32 The Unpardonable Sin
33-37 A Tree Known by Its Fruit
38-42 The Scribes and Pharisees Ask for a Sign
43-45 An Unclean Spirit Returns
46-50 Jesus' Mother and Brothers Send for Him
When we study the word of God we must ask three Q?
what was the author's meaning?
Who was he saying it to?
how do I apply it today.
keep it in the Literal text, Paragraph text and book text. spiritualize the bible to have many meanings and pick which one you feel is right. that is what lead to a thousand year removal of the Verbal Plenary Inspiration (full and Complete) of Gods Word. It is that kind of deception that lead Martin Luther, to return to God’s spoken word and proper Interpretation of the Word of God. you are very very confused and God is not the author of that. |
ezekiel_37
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funny you should mention that...
God is not the author of confusion...including in languages and prayer.
That's what the thread is really all about.
When the time comes, you will understand.
If the desciples were going to preach the Word, which they were, to different speaking peoples of the area and eventually the known world, they themselves were not to speak those words to the rulers but the Holy Spirit would do it through them, actually God speaking through them with an UNDESPUTED message. ALL understand.
Let's look at Mat 12 in detail and maybe you can see the 'type' that I am talking about and why Christ taught this at that particular time.
I am not saying that the Cloven Tongue, known as the true Gift of Tongues (Acts2) was utalized there, but that the circumstances warrented the warnings and promises about that Gifts usage. |
cs1
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No my freind it is about "What is it to Blaspheme the Holy Spirit? Let's study that in detail!"
your words not mind. Cloven tongues has nothing to do with matthews chapter 12. Chapter 12 of matthews is very clear from verse 1 to 50. you allegorize the word of God and that is error. What was Jesus saying in the chapter, who was He was saying it to, and how does it apply today? I guess what i'm trying to say as plainly as possible without the Holy Spirit you cannot truly understand the Bible for one, and chapter text and book text have one meaning with in the context of the word of God, with many Application. The bible has similes, yes Metaphors, and Parables. All similes are short one sentence, so are Metaphors. Parables are long can have more that one person in it. If we use the triadic (three people group or things) most of the time we see a Ruler, righteous person, and unrighteous person for example: Matthews 12:1-12 the Owner of the vineyard,
The vinedressers and the Only beloved Son. Jesus in ever case He spoke in Parables told the meaning at the end of the Parable by application to those hearing it. |
cs1
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If Jesus was fortelling he was very clear on that point, if He was speaking parables he always completed The Author Meaning with in the same chapter example : matthews 12:12 NKJV "12 And they sought to lay hands on Him, but feared the multitude, for they knew He had spoken the parable against them. So they left Him and went away". |
ezekiel_37
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My undestanding is that Christ spoke parables so that only some would understand and that some would not understand. Christ LATER would explain the parable to His desciples.
The Cloven tongue of God is the Gift of Tongues that we learn of in Acts2.
Christ mentions this teaching after the example of deliverance. This is a 'type' for the end times...deliverance...and what did the man do after he was healed?.....he preached to the people. Christ is teaching that in His name, we have power over even the devils and Satan himself. This is the 'type' that the teaching leads to. To blasphene the Holy Spirit is for and elect to know 100% that God exists, and wants to use that elect person to further His work, and for that elect person not to allow God to speak though them. That is denying God...and is unforgivable...the only sin that is written of that is unforgivable. That is what it is to baspheme the holy Spirit. |
cs1
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You are talking about Blasphemy of the Holy Spirit right? what does Acts 2 have to do with that?
so did Jonah Blaspheme the HOLY SPIRIT?
we know that in the old testament that the Spirit Of the Lord was on Kings, Preists and Prophets. Now what was spoken by the Prophet Joel in Chapter 2:28-32 and fullfilled in Acts chapter 2 which Peter spoke of in Chapter 2 starting at verse 14-21 is for Whosoever will can have the Spirit of God in them to be a witness, after they recieve Christ as Lord and Savior. Nothing you have said has anything to do with your subject matter( blasphemy of the Holy Spirit). |
ezekiel_37
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I re read all the posts for clearity..and I remembered a thought that needs to be expressed.
In Mat 12, some were most definately BLASPHEMING Christ......
Jesus teaches the difference between blaspheming the Son and Blaspheming the Holy Spirit....
Those blasphemers did not know or believe that Christ was Messiah.......
So, Christ teaches that "that" sin is forgivable and He teaches the only written Unforgivable sin. What it is to Blaspheme the Holy Spirit.
The title of the thread probably should have been Blaspheme the Holy Spirit and not just Blaspheme as the intent was to explain what it is to Blaspheme the Holy Spirit. Some here would say that I and others are guilty of making fun of the so called 'Gift' that Pentacostals (and a few others) claim is from God.
I am attempting to explain that neither I, nor the others have committed Blasphemy against the Holy Spirit, infact the opposite, we are trying to shed light on a misunderstood subject.
As for Jonah....no he did not to my knowlege commit this....he tried not to give the message to Ninevah because he knew that they would eventually come against the Promised Land and Jonah's people. God was using Jonah even if Jonah didn't want to do it. God was also using Jonah to teach you and me compassion and that all are God's children.
But when push came to shove and the time came for Jonah to deliver the message from God, Jonah did deliver the message.
Jonah didn't expect the people to listen to God but quickly learned that anyone can become saved and it is not man who descides that but God Himself. God chose to show the city compassion. They were saved until the civilization fell again later in history.
but it brings to the table a discussion if you wish. |
cs1
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My point about Jonah was in response to your Post Number: 902
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Posted From:”24.43.16.51To blaspheme the Holy Spirit is for and elect to know 100% that God exists, and wants to use that elect person to further His work, and for that elect person not to allow God to speak though them. That is denying God...and is unforgivable...the only sin that is written of that is unforgivable. That is what it is to blaspheme the Holy Spirit.”
Jonah was an elect person of God, chosen to further His work, and would not allow God to speak thru him. Why that wasn’t not blasphemy? Because Jonah was disobedient, and grieving the Holy Spirit, which is what you are describing in the above statement. Not blaspheme of the Holy Spirit that Jesus was speaking on in Matthews 12.
and your right when you said
"The title of the thread probably should have been Blaspheme the Holy Spirit and not just Blaspheme as the intent was to explain what it is to Blaspheme the Holy Spirit".
"Some here would say that I and others are guilty of making fun of the so called 'Gift' that Pentecostals (and a few others) claim is from God".
NO making fun of the gifts is not blaspheme of the Holy Spirit saying that those who speak in Tongues is of the devil IS Not blasphemy either> But shows the Ignorance of that person and that person should take note that Jesus in Chapter 12 of Matthews was speaking to those WHO Called the Work of the Holy or contributed it to that OF THE DEVIL. So in defense to my Pentecostal Brother and sisters you, me, and anyone should be careful not to Twist the word of God, contribute the work of the Holy Spirit to that of the devil, or deny that Jesus has come in the flesh and completed the final work of Redemption and Is King of kings and Lord of lords . |
ezekiel_37
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Ignorance is calling the work of the devil and con men, the work of God! |
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Hey brother! You know what it took to get you where you were! You know what it'll take to get some people here to the same place.
You do well by remembering the proverb of Solomon regarding answering the fool accordingly.
great reply above- talk about exhorting-maybe you need an interpriter- they surely aren't hearing you
It's seems so unproductive to come to some thereads and just have loud discussions and somehow call it productive-I suppose some feel they need to defend what Truth does on it's own. Stands. When this is understood then only then can people come together with like minds and sift through to build and encourage.
Jay the peacemaker |
cs1
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"Ignorance is calling the work of the devil and con men, the work of God!" ezekiel_37 no that is a false prophet,it is so funny to me that you answer back to the very point I just have said about being Ignorant in away that shows .... never mine I think you get it LOL |
jayhernandez
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cs1 tickles himself
Blasphemy is much more then what you gave above!
Just advice: Know what you speak of or don't speak of it. Not so that you dont blashpemy the Holy Spirit, but because your zeal surpasses your feet and mouth.
Jay the peacemaker |
cs1
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jay coming from you that is so funny you to can't read huh? the very first post of this thread is
" What is it to Blaspheme the Holy Spirit? ".
so in ref to: matthews 12:24-32 in the chapter text pargrah text and sent. text we have what the Lord Jesus said about that, and what He gave about Blaspheme of the Holy Spirit. zeal yea, but you assume to much about me jay, to be humble to you, I have put my foot in my mouth before, and will do it again, but it is my foot; not somebody elses foot and think that it is mine. how can you sit down without breaking your neck? |
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I assume nothing. I live with limited vision. What I see here, is it whole or half? =)
Calm down brother. I don't expect we're completly of two different fathers.
Oh I have a neck brace! I've been there done that and will probbaly do it again, maybe even soon. Just know that if you spoke complete nonsense I wouldn't bother with you.
Peace
Jay the peacemaker |
cs1
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ok Jay I respect that and can agree to that also  my brother |
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to blaspheme THE HOLY GHOST one never has forgiveness. i believe this is a knowing thing that we do. i beleive it is saying ( when we know better ) that something is of the devil when it is really of GOD |
turtle
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easeltine
I am not going to get into this argument but would like to say hello. Long time since I seen you on the board. I pray all is well with your family. may God bless you.
Arron, May God bless you and keep today. |
the_apostolic_truth_ministries
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Neither will I enter the argument. But I will tell you that no one can blaspheme the Holy soirit today, sorry. I know this is yet another blow to the lunacies of pentecostalism. Unfortunately, I believe the Word of God. |
turtle
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TAMA - you just called word a lie because it is in the Bible and you know what it is mentioned in one post above the reference I think it is in Mark. Now you say you believe what book you using for you bible. Is it satans' bible. I am beginning to think so. Just my thoughts. |
the_apostolic_truth_ministries
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Ms. Turtle:
There is a major difference in the Word of God and the garbology of your religion. I believe the Word of God not the lunacies of your religion, sorry. If you read the Bible animal sacrifices are in scripture, do you practice animal sacrifices? |
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The witnessing Elect in the Tribulation, those who witness before Satan (antiChrist) are the only people that can even possibly Blaspheme the Holy Spirit.
Only God's election can do this...but I doubt that they will. It teaches that any other sin is forgivable, but 1. If God so chooses, He can forgive Murder and other evils,
but when God is going to speak through one of His election, and that election doesn't allow it...that is unforgivable. That is saying, Ya God, I know you are real, and powerful, and I know that you want to speak through me, but I don't want you to.
To refuse God to speak through you, when You absolutely know it is Him, that is unforgivable.
The trial of the elect.
in His service
c |
the_apostolic_truth_ministries
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Quoting: "To refuse God to speak through you, when You absolutely know it is Him, that is unforgivable."
End quote.
In that case, I know an awful lot of folks in for a major surprise! |
turtle
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Christ was our sacrifice for sin. we no longer have to sacrifice animals. See you know little of your Bible. Why not try reading it Franklin. Oops ATAm |
the_apostolic_truth_ministries
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Come Rev. Turtle:
Book chapter and verse. |
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turtle, that was a low blow
You may not like what TATM has to say, but comparing him to F......., is rediculous. |
turtle
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Sorry ATAM I am not a rev yet. Maybe one day unless you are feeling God has already ordain me even though I have not been ordained by man. |
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Hebrews 9:1-28 KJV
(1) Then verily the first covenant had also ordinances of divine service, and a worldly sanctuary.
(2) For there was a tabernacle made; the first, wherein was the candlestick, and the table, and the shewbread; which is called the sanctuary.
(3) And after the second veil, the tabernacle which is called the Holiest of all;
(4) Which had the golden censer, and the ark of the covenant overlaid round about with gold, wherein was the golden pot that had manna, and Aaron's rod that budded, and the tables of the covenant;
(5) And over it the cherubims of glory shadowing the mercyseat; of which we cannot now speak particularly.
(6) Now when these things were thus ordained, the priests went always into the first tabernacle, accomplishing the service of God.
(7) But into the second went the high priest alone once every year, not without blood, which he offered for himself, and for the errors of the people:
(8) The Holy Ghost this signifying, that the way into the holiest of all was not yet made manifest, while as the first tabernacle was yet standing:
(9) Which was a figure for the time then present, in which were offered both gifts and sacrifices, that could not make him that did the service perfect, as pertaining to the conscience;
(10) Which stood only in meats and drinks, and divers washings, and carnal ordinances, imposed on them until the time of reformation.
(11) But Christ being come an high priest of good things to come, by a greater and more perfect tabernacle, not made with hands, that is to say, not of this building;
(12) Neither by the blood of goats and calves, but by his own blood he entered in once into the holy place, having obtained eternal redemption for us.
(13) For if the blood of bulls and of goats, and the ashes of an heifer sprinkling the unclean, sanctifieth to the purifying of the flesh: |
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continue
(14) How much more shall the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without spot to God, purge your conscience from dead works to serve the living God?
(15) And for this cause he is the mediator of the new testament, that by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions that were under the first testament, they which are called might receive the promise of eternal inheritance.
(16) For where a testament is, there must also of necessity be the death of the testator.
(17) For a testament is of force after men are dead: otherwise it is of no strength at all while the testator liveth.
(18) Whereupon neither the first testament was dedicated without blood.
(19) For when Moses had spoken every precept to all the people according to the law, he took the blood of calves and of goats, with water, and scarlet wool, and hyssop, and sprinkled both the book, and all the people,
(20) Saying, This is the blood of the testament which God hath enjoined unto you.
(21) Moreover he sprinkled with blood both the tabernacle, and all the vessels of the ministry.
(22) And almost all things are by the law purged with blood; and without shedding of blood is no remission.
(23) It was therefore necessary that the patterns of things in the heavens should be purified with these; but the heavenly things themselves with better sacrifices than these.
(24) For Christ is not entered into the holy places made with hands, which are the figures of the true; but into heaven itself, now to appear in the presence of God for us:
(25) Nor yet that he should offer himself often, as the high priest entereth into the holy place every year with blood of others;
(26) For then must he often have suffered since the foundation of the world: but now once in the end of the world hath he appeared to put away sin by the sacrifice of himself.
(27) And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment:
(28) So Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many; and unto them that look for him shall he appear the second time without sin unto salvation. |
turtle
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turtle, that was a low blow
You may not like what TATM has to say, but comparing him to F......., is rediculous.
Is it really that ridiculous??? or maybe it was just really oops on my part. |
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Ms. Turtle:
You quoted some wonderful scripture. Unfortunately, it does not end animal sacrifice, sorry. Now show me when and where the law ceased.
Sarcasm, my dear friend, sarcasm! I find it hilarious that you were afraid to point out to Mr. Purification7 that you are female. |
turtle
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ATAM - I will post a verse later. got to go fix lunch but thought i stop in to see what is going on. Does it matter if I am female or male. Doesn't the Bible say there both equals in Christ. You might be transexual for all i know. Wouldn't taht throw some in a rage.
No not wanting to debate, but why push it if you know your bible you should know the scripture that I am thinking of concerning sacrifice. Christ did away with the law. maybe you will take time to find it while i fix lunch. I seriously doubt it. |
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the bible teaches that CHRIST IS over PASSOVER LAMB. HE PAID THE PRICE FOR our SOULS. we do not need another animal sacrice for we have THE ONE TRUE SACRIFICE,
a woman who is called of GOD is just as good as a man and if she desires to be ordained she should and can for the wall of speration haaaas been torn down |
the_apostolic_truth_ministries
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Come, Ms. or eh? Rev. Turtle:
Why didn't you make that point to Mr. Purification7? |
turtle
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He/she atam.
Mrs. Turtle to you. but really just what I like to go by. Does it matter that I wished not to fight on here. Is it to much of a change for you to handle. I think I am all fought out. Only Thing I will preach is Jesus. Jesus Saves Jesus is Lord. Jesus is the Alpha and the Omega.
I have more important things to do then argue. Read the Bible and read it from beginning to end and read it again. Look for the answer you are seeking I will guarantee it is there if you look long enough. I have almost forgotten the real reason I came to this board in the first place. But at the same time I will never forget how God has changed my life and moved in my life.
Farewell my friends come visit my site when you have a chance.
turtle. |
the_apostolic_truth_ministries
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Come, Rev. Turtle, why didn't you make that same point to Mr. Purification7? Read the bible again? I read the Bible from cover to cover more than two hundred times before going to seminary. I have read it from cover to cover annually more than fifty years now. How do you think I know the crapology of your religion is just that? |
arron
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dont worry turtle i asked him on another thread to ask his god(satan ) to let him tell what chyurch he belongs to or i would know he was just a lying hypocrite |
