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     frankenchrist Intermediate Member Username: frankenchrist Post Number: 186 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 66.109.134.38 |
Place a bet on which one of these scumbag cult leaders will be the next to become worm food: Fred Phelps -- Date of Birth: 13 November 1929 -- 76 Jimmy Swaggart — Date of Birth: 15 March 1935 -- 71 Pat Robertson — Date of Birth: 22 March 1930 -- 76 Jerry Falwell — Date of Birth: 11 August 1933 -- 73 Oral Roberts — Date of Birth: 24 January 1918 -- 88 Billy Graham — Date of Birth: 7 November 1918 -- 87 George Bush — Date of Birth: 12 June 1924 -- 81 Duane Gish — Date of Birth: 17 February 1921 -- 85 Henry Morris kicked the bucket in February -- good riddance. | ||
| franklin Senior Member Username: franklin Post Number: 2100 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 71.55.179.210 |
You throw that term "Cult Leader" too loosely. Is a cult leader anyone who's religion or politics you disagree with? It has taken too long to bring about cult awareness. Too many people have suffered, are suffering and will suffer in cults. Yet you want to call anything you do not like a cult.You are setting back cult awareness years by doing so. What cult do you belong to? The Cult of Anti-Christians? | ||
| frankenchrist Intermediate Member Username: frankenchrist Post Number: 188 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 66.109.134.38 |
A cult is a group that behaves like a cult. Doctrine over person, do not think for yourself -- the cult thinks for you, deny that you are a cult member, etc. The above are all cult leaders. So which one is going to be maggot food first? I think fatass Falwell. How about you? So.... Is there actually a cult of anti-xtians? Can you give me a link to it? | ||
| franklin Senior Member Username: franklin Post Number: 2101 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 71.55.179.210 |
So according to you the whole world is a cult. So no sense trying to make the world aware of cults cause the world is a cult. Sheeesh! Maybe the Heaven's Gate people were normal. Wow, what are we doing here on factnet? There are no such things as cults 'cause according to frankenchrist everything is a cult. The republican party, the democratic party, Christianity, atheists everything's a cult. We should all leave factnet and never come back. It's a waste of time. You're our leader frankenchrist. You've shown us the light. We're all right behind you leaving factnet. You first! | ||
| frankenchrist Intermediate Member Username: frankenchrist Post Number: 189 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 66.109.134.38 |
Bullshit Franklin, that is a cop-out. I'm sure you use the xtain definition of what a cult is and that is not a real definition because it only works for fundies. It is true that there are a wide range of groups that could reasonably be described as cults but the real distinction comes when you consider just how destructive the group is. The question is -- is the group a DANGEROUS or DESTRUCTIVE cult? And all the above scumbags are liars and frauds therefore they are destructive cult leaders. I feel sorry for the maggots that have to eat them when they croak. I could say the same thing to you Frank, that any group whose politics and religion you agree with you want to be exempt from being labled a cult. Not all xtians are cult members, mainstream xtian churches function as religious groups and do not swallow peoples entire lives, minds, sense of being, and take all their money. The above creepo cult leaders do exactly that. An ordinary minister does not tell god what to think the above •••••••• do ecactly that. Normal preaists, pastors, rabbis, & ministers do not claim to have supernatural healing powers and encourage people to be heled by them instead of real doctors and in effect kill some of their folowers (not that those slimebags would care) some of the above are guilty of doing that all of them are guilty of putting god on their personal hate and greed political agenda. So anyway -- who are you betting on -- I say fatass followed by Graham, then phuckwad Phelps. and you? | ||
| franklin Senior Member Username: franklin Post Number: 2102 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 71.55.179.210 |
Describe some things that Billy Graham has done to deserve to labeled a cult leader. | ||
| frankenchrist Intermediate Member Username: frankenchrist Post Number: 190 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 66.109.134.38 |
Uh dude, He leads a bunch of brainwashed followers and has them muthaphucked into believing anything he says. You know a CULT LEADER, duh. | ||
| franklin Senior Member Username: franklin Post Number: 2104 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 71.55.179.210 |
NO! I do not know that. You don't know what a cult is. You are just so full of hatred towards anything Christian. You and we agnos. Are you the same? Are you one of them ill's multiple personalities. Are you an atheist? Why do you HATE Christians? Who is your God besides you? Why are you so foul mouthed Christ hater? | ||
| frankenchrist Intermediate Member Username: frankenchrist Post Number: 191 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 66.109.134.38 |
Don't get so angry there Frankie, you don't think clearly when you're mad. Ever wrestle or box back in school? Nice little trick -- make your opponent mad then he wont think clearly so before the match whisper something about his mama or slap him -- then he's all p.o.'ed and he loses. I don't hate xtians, I just disagree. I am not god, I am only alive for a limited time. I don't hate Christ I just don't think that he is any sort of divine entity and may be a fictional character. I am not the same as "We Agnostics" -- he is a member of the cult Alcoholics Anonymous (yes, it is a cult because it functions as a cult). I do not believe in any gods for the same reasons I do not believe in dragons, leprachauns, unicorns, alien abductions, ghosts, ESP, channeling, Tarot cards, engrams and thetans, rapture, reincarnation, fortune telling of any sort, satan, underground satanic cult conspiracies, the boogey man, Bigfoot, the Loch Ness Monster, secret codes in the Bible, the Sapce Brothers, psychic surgery, mysterious forces in the Bermuda Triangle, creation science, living dinosaurs, anything Pat Robertson says, zombies, vampires, intelligent design, 12-step programs, 7-foot tall invisible rabbits, or anything else that people make up. I swear because I don't have any superstitions attached to words. -- As George Carlin pointed out, there are no bad words, words by themselves cannot be bad, it is the intentions behind the words that may be bad. I do not have multiple personalities (I'm not familiar with the term "ill's" -- do you mean 'menatlly ill'?) I do not use my real name here on factnet but I do use it in other discussion groups that I participate in. At this point think I have a pretty good idea of what a cult is and the destruction it causes to a person's psychological makeup. | ||
| gsrh Intermediate Member Username: gsrh Post Number: 185 Registered: 1-2005 Posted From: 67.167.0.42 |
wow. I have been away too long. I must look up this psychic surgery thing...sounds interesting. I will take you up on your bet. 1. Roberts 2. Falwell 3. Phelps | ||
| trainedobserver Senior Member Username: trainedobserver Post Number: 1004 Registered: 10-2005 Posted From: 198.49.119.40 |
It's a toss up between Oral and Billy. Seeing as how god has threatened to kill Oral before, I think he's stands to be put into permanent reruns before anyone else on the list. I put 20 shekels on Oral. | ||
| frankenchrist Intermediate Member Username: frankenchrist Post Number: 195 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 66.109.152.253 |
Roberts is the oldest and god came darn close to blasting the old •••••••• out of extistence at least twice before. But I think the good lord has Falwell lined up in the crosshairs of his scope. And ol' Jerry is overdue for one massive heart attack. Then Phelps -- alive only because it's illegal to kill him. I think someone is going to come along and forget the law and put ol' Fred out of his misery. Then Roberts. So -- Franklin, who you bettin' on? | ||
| ihavesinned Senior Member Username: ihavesinned Post Number: 1972 Registered: 1-2006 Posted From: 71.121.140.84 |
I'm betting on Phelps... On second thought, since there's no God, there's no justice, and he'll probably live to be 340 years old. Nevermind, I'll go with Swaggart "Brothers and sisters, IHAVESINNED !" | ||
| cybermom Intermediate Member Username: cybermom Post Number: 470 Registered: 12-2004 Posted From: 67.186.102.112 |
Pro 24:17 Don't be glad when your enemies meet disaster, and don't rejoice when they stumble. I found out that my former "pastor" has recently died, so I have first-hand experience with this stuff. I think that those of you who call themselves (pose as??) Christians need to be careful, because the Word of God is very clear about this. This really isn't anything to joke about. If this verse isn't enough for you all to grow up, here's another one: Gal 6:7 Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap. And fc, nice mouth. Since you can't even type the name of Christ except for your insulting screenname, I assume you aren't a Christian. To me you seem to be a good example of "don't let this happen to you." Cybermom | ||
| frankenchrist Intermediate Member Username: frankenchrist Post Number: 196 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 66.109.144.185 |
Cybermom, lighten up it's just a game. Guess which arsehole is going to be the next to bite the dust. It's a fun, family type game. Just place your bet and get your kids in on it too. And how long did it take you to figure out that I'm not a jeek? And remember -- Have a marijuana if you can. And -- THey ain't makin' Jews like Jesus anymore. "Frankenchrist" is the title of a Dead Kennedys album from 1986. | ||
| rachelengland Senior Member Username: rachelengland Post Number: 1064 Registered: 5-2005 Posted From: 216.109.192.236 |
I enjoyed the dead kennedys-how original I hate to partake of this rudeness but I have to say Oral-he's really getting up there in age.... | ||
| dream_truth Intermediate Member Username: dream_truth Post Number: 260 Registered: 3-2006 Posted From: 207.121.36.112 |
Well, no one else is going with him so I'm gonna pick Bush. We can always dream. especially after watching this: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5137581991288263801&q=loose%20change (Message edited by dream_truth on May 02, 2006) | ||
| cybermom Intermediate Member Username: cybermom Post Number: 471 Registered: 12-2004 Posted From: 67.186.102.112 |
fc I'd lighten up I thought this was a topic that could be light. Sorry, it isn't for me; I don't find it cute or funny. But this is another example of the beauty of free speech - we're all free to express our opinions. But if I were you, I'd be careful of anything you post on this thread about the President. Just a word to the wise(?). Cybermom | ||
| frankenchrist Intermediate Member Username: frankenchrist Post Number: 197 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 66.109.144.185 |
I didn't say anything about the president (George W. Pigcrap) the first post refers to the president's father, fomer president (Greorge H. W. Pigcrap) -- you know the old shitlicker who claimed that atheists are not real citizens. So C-mom who is your pick? You've walked into the casino -- you have to gamble. | ||
| cybermom Intermediate Member Username: cybermom Post Number: 472 Registered: 12-2004 Posted From: 67.186.102.112 |
I've walked thru alot of casinos, and didn't gamble! I know you weren't the one that discussed the President; it was just a side comment. I don't really have a pick; to me it's like trying to pick which of my grandparents would die first. No, I'm not that close to the people you've mentioned, it's just that I don't consider many of them cult leaders, so for me it's disrespectful. As I've said before, I WAS in a cult, and the leader recently did die, quite unexpectedly. It's been hard to process everything I've felt in the last few weeks so this thread has hit me in a weird way. I don't mean to be a buzz-kill. Cybermom | ||
| ihavesinned Senior Member Username: ihavesinned Post Number: 1981 Registered: 1-2006 Posted From: 71.121.140.84 |
Dead Kennedys- I rather liked "To drunk to ••••" but they hardly ever play it on the radio for some reason... | ||
| rachelengland Senior Member Username: rachelengland Post Number: 1065 Registered: 5-2005 Posted From: 216.109.192.236 |
hmmmm- Must of been your theme song back in the day... | ||
| frizz_bee New member Username: frizz_bee Post Number: 19 Registered: 4-2006 Posted From: 72.130.224.8 |
Jesus died and that's what matterst the most. He's alive now and those men when they die, will be with Him in Heaven. They will be rewarded and will be strong and full of joy like never before. He died and rose again for the people on this thread who hate the ministers who love Him and labor for Him. None of these people mentioned in the first post are "cult leaders" as far as any information that is reliable. This much anger is too much and where it comes from, only Jesus can possibly know.  He loves you. | ||
| frankenchrist Intermediate Member Username: frankenchrist Post Number: 324 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 66.109.144.241 |
Jesus was a puke-head. | ||
| frankenchrist Intermediate Member Username: frankenchrist Post Number: 325 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 66.109.144.241 |
Jesus was a puke-head. | ||
| actvthinkr Member Username: actvthinkr Post Number: 99 Registered: 6-2006 Posted From: 69.170.85.57 |
Who on earth besides his mother, would name a kid Oral? Yikes, always wondered that...  | ||
| frankenchrist Intermediate Member Username: frankenchrist Post Number: 326 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 66.109.144.241 |
He has a brother named Anal. | ||
| actvthinkr Intermediate Member Username: actvthinkr Post Number: 106 Registered: 6-2006 Posted From: 69.170.85.57 |
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| arron Senior Member Username: arron Post Number: 2537 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 68.119.204.21 |
arnold murray no 1 cult leader and false prophet | ||
| boss_martian Advanced Member Username: boss_martian Post Number: 794 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 192.31.106.34 |
Dude, I'm a terrible gambler, but I really, really hope that Phelps goes and soon. I think he's the worst of the bunch. The others are pretty screwed up, but at least their followers think they made an honest choice. Phelps is the meanest of the bunch because he targets funerals. We could debate all day about whether the Iraq war is valid or not, but that ain't the point. People are at a funeral to honor their loved ones and I think that no point is worth messing with someone's funeral I look forward to the day when some parent has had enough of his bull at their kid's funeral. | ||
| llm Intermediate Member Username: llm Post Number: 190 Registered: 10-2005 Posted From: 71.130.24.165 |
"franklin Senior Member Username: franklin Post Number: 2102 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 71.55.179.210 Posted on Saturday, April 29, 2006 - 2:51 pm: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Describe some things that Billy Graham has done to deserve to labeled a cult leader." ------------------ Franklin. there sure is some controversy around Graham and his "drifting" because of his Masonic ties. http://www.cuttingedge.org/news/n1082.cfm | ||
| llm Intermediate Member Username: llm Post Number: 192 Registered: 10-2005 Posted From: 71.129.179.96 |
Probably the Passion cult leader Mel Gibson will be the first to go if he gets himself crucified. Just like Jesus did when he called the Jews "children of the devil". Although Jesus wasn't drunk and speeding when he said it, but didn't they also accuse Christ of being a wine bibber and a drunkard? Hahahah. | ||
| frankenchrist New member Username: frankenchrist Post Number: 1 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 66.109.152.57 |
Those who bet on Falwell --- WON!!!!!! | ||
| trainedobserver Junior Member Username: trainedobserver Post Number: 35 Registered: 10-2005 Posted From: 71.96.26.104 |
I ... I don't think anyone did! The old con artist slipped right by us! sumbitch! Quick, everyone check your watches and your wallets. Ok, I'm putting 20 more shekels on Oral Roberts. | ||
| fatherofaking Member Username: fatherofaking Post Number: 65 Registered: 8-2005 Posted From: 71.161.88.202 |
you guys are horrible. what would we do without you? lol | ||
| gsrh New member Username: gsrh Post Number: 1 Registered: 1-2005 Posted From: 67.173.141.126 |
Tammy Faye, Oral Roberts and Calypso Louie are my three new candidates for a dirt nap. | ||
| gsrh New member Username: gsrh Post Number: 2 Registered: 1-2005 Posted From: 67.173.141.126 |
Hey...I am at post #1 again. I have been reborn. | ||
| frankenchrist New member Username: frankenchrist Post Number: 2 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 66.109.152.57 |
TO: "I ... I don't think anyone did! The old con artist slipped right by us! sumbitch! Quick, everyone check your watches and your wallets. Ok, I'm putting 20 more shekels on Oral Roberts." Actually, look above. April 29, 2006. Frankenchrist: "So which one is going to be maggot food first? I think fatass Falwell. How about you?" Yep, I guessed right. I'm going with Graham next. | ||
| trainedobserver Member Username: trainedobserver Post Number: 60 Registered: 10-2005 Posted From: 198.49.119.15 |
Oh. Sorry about that, you prognosticating thing you. Yeah ... you might have something there with the Billster. | ||
| gsrh New member Username: gsrh Post Number: 5 Registered: 1-2005 Posted From: 24.13.109.23 |
Tammy Faye died yesterday. May she rest in peace. | ||
| trainedobserver Intermediate Member Username: trainedobserver Post Number: 238 Registered: 10-2005 Posted From: 198.49.119.54 |
I first saw her when she was still doing the puppet show on TV in Charlotte. She wasn't even on the list. What's up with that? I wish someone would have advised her not to make that last TV appearance. It was horrific, I wish I would have never seen it, it should come with a warning. | ||
| jeff_franklin Intermediate Member Username: jeff_franklin Post Number: 211 Registered: 6-2007 Posted From: 67.9.9.73 |
It was horrific because she was still wearing her trademark gobs of heavy make up. She thought it made her look better. Now she's in her new flawless spiritual body. | ||
| marta Member Username: marta Post Number: 67 Registered: 9-2005 Posted From: 71.194.175.25 |
cybermom wrote "Pro 24:17 Don't be glad when your enemies meet disaster, and don't rejoice when they stumble. I found out that my former "pastor" has recently died, so I have first-hand experience with this stuff. I think that those of you who call themselves (pose as??) Christians need to be careful, because the Word of God is very clear about this. This really isn't anything to joke about. If this verse isn't enough for you all to grow up, here's another one: Gal 6:7 Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap." OK, so I agree that you should not be happy about anyone's early demise ... but it's a shame more of these hucksters don't get struck blind for their shameless explotation of the gospel for personal gain .... Acts 13:9-11 Then Saul, also known as Paul, filled with the Holy Spirit, looked the sorcerer in the eye and said, "You son of the Devil, full of every sort of trickery and villainy, enemy of all that is good, will you never stop perverting the true ways of the Lord? And now the Lord has laid his hand of punishment upon you, and you will be stricken awhile with blindness." Instantly mist and darkness fell upon him, and he began wandering around begging for someone to take his hand and lead him. | ||
| trainedobserver Intermediate Member Username: trainedobserver Post Number: 239 Registered: 10-2005 Posted From: 198.49.119.10 |
Tammy Faye Baker was a huckster and equally complicate in all of her husband's crimes. She stole money out of the homes of ignorant, poor, and completely trusting people. Members of my family poured countless thousands into their phony ministry. The irony of a faith-healing believing career evangelical television personality dying of a horrible and devastating disease shouldn't be downplayed. I am very sorry for Tammy and her family. I am sure they have suffered horribly. Nevertheless, the complete ineptitude of the religion she sold to her followers has to be pointed out here. | ||
| giulia Junior Member Username: giulia Post Number: 31 Registered: 6-2007 Posted From: 61.68.161.43 |
I bet frankenchrist will probably be the next to become fly food, seeing he is the one wishing bad on people, if this is what you play with your family I pity your family, so what does the baby do? Play sling the turd hard at mum and dads eyes or perhaps that's too nice. | ||
| saygoodnightgracie Intermediate Member Username: saygoodnightgracie Post Number: 139 Registered: 5-2005 Posted From: 72.64.222.65 |
Play "sling the turd hard at mum and dads eyes" That's an old playground favorite! | ||
| ihavesinned Intermediate Member Username: ihavesinned Post Number: 194 Registered: 1-2006 Posted From: 76.22.9.184 |
Let he who is without sin, sling the first turd. | ||
| cybermom New member Username: cybermom Post Number: 10 Registered: 12-2004 Posted From: 67.186.102.112 |
marta Not exactly sure why you quoted me, since I wasn't really a part of the Tammy Faye discussion till now. I agree that so many are out there conning people for a buck in the name of God, and it makes me sick, too. But that's something that only God will deal with when they stand before Him, as Tammy and my former cult leader have already done. I still don't feel it's something to joke about. We all reap what we sow - as Tammy has done, and we will also do eventually, whether in this life or the next. If the Bible wasn't so clear about this, I wouldn't see it as a big deal. But it is, on many levels. | ||
| marta Member Username: marta Post Number: 68 Registered: 9-2005 Posted From: 71.194.175.25 |
cybermom, Where did I say anything about Tammy Faye? I was commenting on your previous post. My point is ... while I don't wish death on anyone (since there is no opportunity for repentance once a person dies) I wouldn't mind seeing a few of the worst offenders (those who pervert the gospel for personal gain) to suffer the same consequences as Elymas in Acts 13:9-11. Or maybe just have their tongue stick to the roof of their mouth the next time they get up and tell their lies to God's people. Do you think it might cause them to think twice before lying again? Am I being too harsh? Tell that to Ananias and his wife, Sapphira, who were struck dead by God for lying. I'm not trying to be funny. Scripture tells us that after that happened .... Acts 5:11 Great fear gripped the entire church and all others who heard what had happened. If the love of God is not enough to keep a person honest, the fear of God just might do the trick. | ||
| cybermom New member Username: cybermom Post Number: 11 Registered: 12-2004 Posted From: 67.186.102.112 |
If the love of God is not enough to keep a person honest, the fear of God just might do the trick. This was the point I was trying to make. What people lack is true fear of the Lord. | ||
| marta Member Username: marta Post Number: 72 Registered: 9-2005 Posted From: 71.194.175.25 |
What people lack is true fear of the Lord. Amen | ||
| exihoper Junior Member Username: exihoper Post Number: 44 Registered: 9-2007 Posted From: 75.87.113.172 |
i say oral, then billy billy graham, by the way, denies that Jesus is the only way to heaven. He said it on TV more than once. Look it up on youtube. I was also at his last crusade (plz dont ask why) where he told Former President Bill Clinton that he is an excellent minister of the gospel. Clinton is a 33 degree mason/illuminati, who accidently said john 16:3 was his fav bible verse (instead of john 3:16) lol. | ||
| gsrh Intermediate Member Username: gsrh Post Number: 315 Registered: 1-2005 Posted From: 24.13.109.23 |
Televangelist Rex Humbard Dies at 88 ATLANTIS, Fla. - The Rev. Rex Humbard, a former itinerant preacher whose televangelism ministry once reached more parts of the globe than any other religious program, died Friday, a family spokeswoman said. He was 88. Humbard died of natural causes at a South Florida hospital near his Lantana home, family spokeswoman Kathy Scott said. | ||
| gsrh Intermediate Member Username: gsrh Post Number: 316 Registered: 1-2005 Posted From: 24.13.109.23 |
Televangelist Rev. D. James Kennedy dies Posted on Wed, Sep. 05, 2007 The Rev. D. James Kennedy, the controversial televangelist who built Fort Lauderdale's Coral Ridge Presbyterian Church into a politically powerful house of prayer on a foundation of Biblical fundamentalism, died Wednesday morning. He suffered a heart attack on Dec. 28, 2006, and never returned to the pulpit. He gave his last sermon four days earlier on Christmas Eve. Last week, at 76, he retired as the church's senior pastor. | ||
| chloe Junior Member Username: chloe Post Number: 37 Registered: 7-2007 Posted From: 75.132.117.145 |
Why was DJKennedy considered controversial? Sorry, I've not heard much of him. The only thing I wondered while glancing thru a book of his was that he seemed to be very pro-predestination. Just learning friends, but was that somewhat Calvanistic? The few times I heard him on the radio, he taught a sound message, the exception being predestined? I'm sorry to hear of his death, but I would like to know where he was 'off' - I really need to understand more when I got that nudge in my spirit as I did the day he preached that. Thank you so much for bearing with me. | ||
| xman3 Advanced Member Username: xman3 Post Number: 637 Registered: 12-2006 Posted From: 75.14.47.187 |
My understanding of the "controversy" surrounding Kennedy centers a lot around his political activity. He was very right wing conservative and championed several causes and worked with Falwell, for instance, lobbying for and mobilizing christians to do what they could politically often concerning marriage, family, homosexuality, and other issues of that area. He kind of mixed his politics in with his preaching and certainly activity, and I suppose some find that controversial. Personally, I thought he was OK. Kind of bland for me, but it seemed he gave solid teaching for the most part. Any minister who ventures into the areas he did would be called controversial. I never really listened to him, but I did look up a few things about him when I heard he had died. | ||
| xman3 Advanced Member Username: xman3 Post Number: 638 Registered: 12-2006 Posted From: 75.14.47.187 |
ex- I don't normally chime in in support of ministers I don't personally know, but I think you have somewhat misrepresented Billy Graham. I have some material he wrote and have heard some of his stuff outside of his crusades or whatever you call them, and I believe he understands the gospel quite well. In answereing some of the controversial questions so many ask like "what about the pygmies in Africa", he has his opinions which sound could sound like he is saying Jesus isn't the only way, but I'd have to see some solid evidence that he actually believed and claimed anything else. When I compare his ministry and lifestyle with so many other evangelists, I feel he has done so much for spreading the gospel and maintained a life of humility and integrity that I rarely quibble with his beliefs that may differ from mine. He most definitely had regrets for his dealings with some of what we think of as important people, and I think he was quite humble and repentant when he realized he had compromised his principles. That's about all I know about him, and some is opinion, but I just thought I would throw that out. Being saved already and thinking of him as mainly an evangelist, preaching the gospel to the unsaved, I rarely actually listened to him in the last 20 years. As for his mention in this thread, with his wife gone and his ailing health, I don't think he'll be here much longer. I will definitely take pause when that day comes and probably reflect a bit on the impact his ministry had, and be a little sad I suppose. | ||
| exihoper Member Username: exihoper Post Number: 52 Registered: 9-2007 Posted From: 75.87.113.172 |
xman3, He said it both on larry king live and some other political tv show. Look it up on youtube, its very clear. and i was at his last crusade when he said all those things about the clintons. The guy is a freemason. Furthermore, I have personally talked with the man who used to run his crusades. He has adamately told me that he no longer supports Graham because of what he's become. Which says to me he probably was a christian at one point. But, like many others, this world took its toll and he gave in. sorry to burst your bubble, but Billy's not as great as everyone thinks. Nor is he a true christian. | ||
| xman3 Advanced Member Username: xman3 Post Number: 640 Registered: 12-2006 Posted From: 75.7.193.3 |
Well ex. You aren't bursting any bubble at all since there is no bubble to burst. I maintain a healthy respect for Billy Graham. I listened to several of the you tube things, and I don't see it like it's painted here. He doesn't even say you can't be saved without Jesus. He says if one knows and loves Christ, even if they don't know the name of Jesus, they are part of the body of Christ. In this age of media, a lot of things people say get bandied about as if it is enough to negate a lifetime of preaching and serving God. Those blurbs and the ensuing conclusions and opinions of the posters aren't very convincing, though I only looked at a few of them. Bottom line for me is I've said my peace and feel good about supporting him for the reasons I do. There's lots of stuff he says I don't agree with, but that's the case with most preachers for most people, especially around here. I'm confident he is a Christian, and that's putting it mildly, though you and anyone else are certainly entitled to your opinion. There's not really any way we can know anyway. That's up to God. If we were personally to be condemned for each thing we believed that was wrong, we'd all be in quite a pickle. He himself, unquestionably, has placed his entire faith in Christ, whether he believes someone else who has never heard the actual name of Jesus has or not. Also factnet and other places are filled with people who used to support so and so and no longer do for whatever their reasons are. That is no evidence of anything except that person has their own reasons for doing what they do and say. I no longer support EN because of what they are or have become, but I wouldn't presume to start calling any particular individuals non Christians. All in all I don't follow him or his preaching so I am happy to just sit back and be thankful for the many thousands of people who have come to Christ through his ministry no matter what "he has become". You don't have to respond, unless you really feel you need to because I have no real stake in his ministry and have said about all I have to say about him here. | ||
| exihoper Member Username: exihoper Post Number: 56 Registered: 9-2007 Posted From: 75.87.113.172 |
like i said before, Billy is a freemason/illuminati. They ALL hide behind christianity. | ||
| exihoper Member Username: exihoper Post Number: 65 Registered: 9-2007 Posted From: 75.87.113.172 |
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=axxlXy6bLH0 He doesn't just say that they dont know the name of Jesus. He says if anybody (Muslim, buddhist, non-believing) just knows that they need something other than themselves (whether or not its the name "Jesus") they are saved. In other words, if you're muslim, you're saved because you believe in A god. If you're a satanist, you're saved because you believe you need the higher power (of satan!!). this is NOT christianity. It is something definitely taught by illuminati though. |
