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     Julia LaMere (216.19.18.21) |
Get ready for Ramtha folks. The Ramtha School of Enlightenment has gone Hollywood and they did it soooo well that they even got an Academy Award winning actress to star in it (Marlee Maitlin). What the #$*! Do We Know?! is a cleverly crafted, well-acted, nicely animated, and seemingly benign movie that has recently started to gain momentum.. The power of thought-forms is beautifully taught through a variety of mechanisms. Overall, the messages to love yourself, open your mind, lose your addictions, and find that spot in your life where linear time is not the dominant factor in living are put forth with great humor and very creative filmmaking. Of course the other messages are that organized religion is very, very bad and there is no such thing as right and wrong (or good and bad). Alrightee then. That said…...get ready to deprogram your aunt Betsy in the coming months. The movie is gaining legs and is going to go national--it opened in LA (albiet only one theater) May 14. It is playing all over Arizona and Oregon. And it is winning prizes in film festivals because it truly is very well done. Its the mixture of science and spirituality New Agers have been hoping for and features none other than JZ KNIGHT! It is so cleverly disguised as a mystics and seekers film that not one single press report is out there stating where the #$*! I now know this movie came from. The biggest clue to the film's creators is the film's debut location: Yelm, Washington—home of the Ramtha School of Enlightenment (RSE). The buzz on the film is talked about at Masters Connection which is the RSE bulletin board. Despite the film’s credentials that it is a Lord of the Wind production, this film is a production of the RSE, founded by the infamous JZ Knight. JZ Knight hand-picked the scientists that are used in the film, verifiable at www.ramtha.com . The filmmakers – William Arntz, Betsy Chasse, and Mark Vicente--are students of Ramtha. Mark Vicente’s site www.markvicente.com directly links to RSE. The press contact on whatthebleep.com was Pavel Mikoloski, who is identified on other websites as a student of the RSE (see beyondthe ordinary.net/journeytoramtha.shtml ) but they have since changed to a new contact by the name of John Raatz of the Visioneering Group, an entity not related to the RSE. I attended the movie and received a handout (cult invitation) about the movie when I handed over my ticket for admission. It advised me to go to www.whatthebleep.com to learn more about spreading the word on the film. The website has a host of information on the movie and a well rounded reading list that also includes all of Ramtha’s works. There is a world of good within this reading list--and then there is the Ramtha stuff too. Whatthebleep.com has a message board hosted by Ramtha followers. It does not appear to have room for threads that do not support Ramtha. Additionally, the films producers are attending screenings to help spread the concepts in the film. My problem with the RSE is the cult status it has created for itself over the years. I know two people who spent over a year at the RSE in the early 1990's. Both described their departures as “escapes”. This is the type of cult that "cultivates" your assets. Like Scientology with Cruise and Travolta, RSE has celebrities that say how wonderful and divine it is--like Linda Evans. But for average people a decade ago, the experience was of indentured servitude and control. The degrading stories I heard were unbelievable given the premise of the organization: enlightenment. As far as the science in the movie goes—it is the quasi-quantum physics that have been around for years in various forms in the New Age movement and even earlier. My strongest philosophical disagreement with the movie was that emotions are addictions. Why is the New Age so determined to deny humans their emotional humanity? Emotions are part of being complete human beings and provide necessary survival mechanisms. We are not robots and it is our emotional bodies that give us joy, love, sadness, pain, etc. And then there is the "there is no right and wrong" rap that occurs in the film. Using basic logic I guess there can be no right and wrong emotions, or addictions, for that matter. This is where the New Age always stumbles. Case in point: the water crystals in the movie (check the movie site www.whatthebleep.com). If the movie makes a point at all, it is that our thoughts can cause damage (Im betting damage is wrong, eh?), the good/right water crystals were those with love and thank you directed at them. The bad/wrong water crystals were those with hate/anger directed at them. So much for the no good and bad, right and wrong. Whenever a new ager says "it just is" or there is no good or bad, right or wrong, I tend to run--and I do a bit of running since I live in Sedona Arizona--a veritable New Age mecca of frauds. When this movie hits Peoria and your Aunt Betsy starts talking about Ramtha--you will know what the #$*! I know. What the #$*! Do We Know?! has merits as a film on its own--it is creative and interesting. I just wish it had been made by someone innocuous like Steven Spielberg and not JZ Knight getting ready to sign everyone up for summer camp. There is an agenda here-brilliantly disguised--and we need to get the word out. | ||
| David McCarthy (65.161.32.39) |
Hello Julia, Your review and comments about this movie are right on, I personally know some of the people who created this movie, And yes they are friends JZ Knight and members of RSE. Thank you letting people know the hidden agenda behind this movie. Kind regards, David McCarthy Yelm | ||
| My Full Name? (66.108.232.154) |
Coolies. Thanks for the time you took to expose that. I had a feeling when I saw Ramtha listed in the cast of characters that there was going to be something to ponder deeper about. Wow you woke me up to what it was. I had seen RSE before and know they rip people off for their cult propaganda. LOL. Well I always thought knowledge was supposed to be free. Talking about the power of giving eh? It's amazing how the ego gets all wrapped up in thinking or tricking the person into beleiving $2000 (or crazier amounts for these other New Age seminars...maybe not RSE that I know of...I know that Anthony Robbins thought not New Age directly or up front can charge up to like $10000 for a few days! 10 grand! Are you kidding? Then they end up going back to work at a J-O-B. All for those 'anyone can be a millionaire' garbage) a day is money well spent. Come on! Just work on yourself...by yourself with the Universe and others. Anyhow I'm only 20 and I like what Stuart Wilde says...though he contradicts himself on somethings like saying Yoga is bad for us especially women he seems to be rather unhealthy himself. (BTW I don't do yoga or any other stuff like that. If I needed or wanted to I'd probably do Alexander technique or other lesser known methods. Sheesh just eat organic fruit and veg, drink clean filtered water and do whatever else to it like crystalise it, ionise it, oxygenise it...LOL...better than tap fluoridated water and take your vitamin supplements as well as exercice and stretch.) Well he is fighting a battle so I can udnerstand that side of it...yet he also smokes cigarettes and drinks coffee and Guiness beer though he says those dark liquids are actually good as milk is white and anything that is white is unhealthy which is rather interesting in a way and I quite believe that as I believe that milk (cows milk anyway...a Mummy's breast milk is best and only good milk LOL!) is no good to us. It's amazing how so many New Agers are so gullible to hand over there wallets to hypocritical people. I'm glad Stewie (or Stuie) as fans call him doesn't charge anything to receive his knowledge, let alone shed a months' salary to attend a few hours seminar or a days workshop. Link to the yoga dangers article by Stuart Wilde: http://stuartwilde.com/Articles/SW_articles_aviod_yoga.htm Ciao ciao, Adam. P.S The part about emotions in my opinion is about the ego. The reason New Age 'gurus' make up this garbage is to keep you in on the scam. It's rather hard to go 5 minutes without 'feeling' something like an emotion let alone a sensory perception. So come on people it's a silly scam mongering(is that a word? ;-P) tactic. Via meditations it'd probably take a while to just 'quiet the mind' as they say and an even longer time to 'be emotionless'. You're right Julia: we can't be robots and it's the Illuminati's plan to turn us into soulless drones and as Stuart Wilde and David Icke say that anyone who claims to channel people is a nut or more seriously just in on a scam to empty your wallet. All those crazy names and fearful predictions with (another cult) Christianity (or any bible or so called 'sacred book' religions...come on wake up the texts have been faked if not re translated and are therefore a waste of time to read and beleive much of it except basics and simple messages of love one another as one self) like revelations about peace and salvations if you come and join the 'spaceship'. Just look at what happened to those nuts at Heavens Gate. | ||
| Shasta (209.214.1.7) |
*shrug* I liked the movie. It presented thoughts I've had rolling around in the back of my head in a coherent and compelling manner. I enjoyed the Ramtha character's commentary, although not nearly as much as the funny little physicist interviewed outside the Palace of Fine Arts in San Francisco, Fred Alan Wolf. I ran across this message board because I saw the movie, was intrigued by some of its elements, and am poking around for more info on the participants. This whole Ramtha thing seems to have rabid defenders on one side, rabid detractors on the other. That tells me that on both sides, there's a tiny kernel of truth wrapped in a lot of muddy personal desperation. People who are unhappy with themselves always have an overwhelming need to be "right", which necessitates making someone else "wrong". Look, truth is truth, it does not require anyone's validation. If this JZ person (or anyone else, for that matter) says something that makes sense to you, take it and use it. If she says something that feels squirrelly, discard it. It's really that simple - think for yourself. | ||
| prschuster (prschuster) New member Username: prschuster Post Number: 10 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 67.4.175.86 |
I saw the film twice and I got a very unneasy feeling about it. I know very little about Ramtha, other than what I could pick up from accessing the RSE website. It does look and smell like a cult-rat to me though. My common sense tells me that such an obviously RSE-connected project is more than just an unbiased public service announcement about "spirituality". The bit about quantum mechanics was most annoying. It added nothing to what had already been stated in Frijof Capra's "The Tao of Physics". But it didn't stop there. It went beyond good science by intimating how you can access psychic powers by getting in touch with the quantum field. That is classic pseudo-science, and it is so easy to manipulate someone with that kind of ruse. That misuse of science is so typically New Age. What disappointed me most was when so many folks in my Unitarian-Universalist congregation fell for the hype. I think they were taken in by the "feel-good" spirituality of new-agism, and were convinced of its veracity by all the science talk. It is so frustratingly hard for me to explain to people how bogus this attempt is at melding science with their brand of spirituality. | ||
| josee (josee) New member Username: josee Post Number: 1 Registered: 1-2005 Posted From: 64.228.173.75 |
Have a look at that article published on 22 dec 2004, it pretty much sums up the whole plan behind the movie. http://www.wweek.com/story.php?story=5860 | ||
| ex_nihilo (ex_nihilo) New member Username: ex_nihilo Post Number: 1 Registered: 3-2005 Posted From: 70.115.207.218 |
My how everyone here has been dazzled by the Ramtha! There is more to this story than JZKnight's pudgy little hand on the film script. What you probably don't know is that the Ramtha is in league with a group called the Institute for Noetic Sciences (IONS), which is basically an organization created to scientifically evaluate much of what the Ramtha speaks of (not originally, but Ramtha was created afterward, but made more money). The problem is that after some investigation, you come to find that the IONS are not a legitimate research establishment, but are built upon wild conjecture and inferences based on other people's work. They have extorted the work of many quantum physicists and remolded the physics to match their claims. Much of their research is not peer reviewed nor submitted to mainstream science journals for presentation. On the philosophical side, I can point you to a fairly prominent Professor of Psychology at Rutgers, Jerry Fodor. Anyone currently studying Philosophy will run across this name because of his work regarding "Theory-Ladeness of Observation". He talks about how past experiences affect the way we perceive things, essentially. Along comes Stephen Pinker, another professor and an affiliate of the IONS who blows out of proportion much of what Fodor states, to equate to the "addiction" scheme that they present in the movie. Pinker's work is called How the Mind Works and was published in 1997. Three years later, in 2000 Fodor had to write The Mind Doesn't Work that Way to make clear his claims and differentiate himself from Pinker and this IONS group, since people like me were starting to think that Fodor was working with these IONS. This is an example of how the science behind What the Bleep Really Happened? has been manipulated and misenterpreted to convey this message. I'm frightened that many have fallen prey to this film's message and will likely end up involved in Ramtha or suplanting real science for this hokey, unresearched drivel. I plan on writing a paper about the IONS, their affiliations to these New Age mystics and how they are clouding science with baseless conjecture and flawed reasoning. | ||
| louis (louis) New member Username: louis Post Number: 13 Registered: 3-2005 Posted From: 212.68.237.60 |
Did the great greek philosophers seek followers !? Did jesus himself really seeks followers !? I don't think so ! Priests, churchs, political parties seek followers, for sure ! Does Ramtha seek any followers ... Some guys here think that they are so interesting and important that ramtha needs them like followers.There are lots of church who are waiting those ones. But concerning ramtha, I think that They are just completely wrong ! " When Noone wants you, it happens often that some people need to imagine that God himself, or many people need them ! " Perhaps, Just like the american government did in vietnam or in Irak ! Ramtha is from my point of view, not part of it ! Ramtha, just knows that some people are really interested in knowledge and wisdom,in the ancient wisdom, even in the U.S.A. ... So he created a school for such kind of people. So noone has to think or imagine that Ramtha really needs him (or her) as follower...Ramtha is not a priest or a politician, even if he has some clear ideas on those matters ! From my point of view, Ramtha for himself doesn't need nothing special from us but for those who really want to learn and know the real nature of facts and reallity, He stands at their disposal ! So Here we are cowboys, This is an other point of view to consider on the question ! but I stop here ... Bye. Louis | ||
| shining (shining) New member Username: shining Post Number: 3 Registered: 4-2005 Posted From: 68.200.51.64 |
Whay would a LORD Like RAMTHA need a MOVIE to promote the teaching. If being omnipresent within ALL PEOPLE, would he not just SEND THE MESSAGE and the people come? Just a thought? | ||
| louis (louis) New member Username: louis Post Number: 16 Registered: 3-2005 Posted From: 212.68.237.60 |
There are all kind of movies for all kind of people. Anyone can choose to see the movie he wants to see. I don't see any problem with this movie. J.Z. knight is in this movie ! And then, she has the right to be there. If someone is not interested in this movie, he can choose to go and see another movie ! Isn't It !!! To promote a certain knowledge for people who are intersted in ... Where is the problem ! If you prefer to see the exorcist 1 ! So, it's your right too, Go on then ! Nobody will criticize you for your choice ! It's your money, isn't it and it's the case for each of us ! Smiling, with just another thought ! | ||
| spirit (spirit) New member Username: spirit Post Number: 1 Registered: 6-2005 Posted From: 67.49.168.102 |
Sweet FACTNet! Has this turned into a forum for hurling unsubstantiated accusations and promoting fear and hate? What happened to facts? How about backing up one's claims! Fully half the posts in this thread sound like Chicken Little, "The sky is falling, the sky is falling!" It's an interesting little film with some interesting speculations, but to claim it's a RAMTHA prosetlyzation tool... ya gotta be slightly paraniod! Oh yes, then let's drag in IONS, and drag ex-astronaut Ed Mitchell through the mud, too. According to ex_nihilo I guess only "State-approved" researches should be allowed. Do you have some valid citations (rather than biased opinion and rumor-mongering) to support your assertions against IONS? One more step away from freedom, and toward totalitarianism. Let's teach people to fear anyone who thinks differently than they do -- that's Good Science! Well, you're entitled to believe whatever scare-tactics you wish, but frankly, I think it's people who post non-factual bigotry that should be the subject of our search for Facts. | ||
| david_mccarthy (david_mccarthy) New member Username: david_mccarthy Post Number: 11 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 66.243.212.36 |
Hello Spirit, Is it acceptable to present speculation as scientific fact? Yes if you follow the JZ Knight/Ramtha philosophies. Perhaps you have underestimated the power of this movie as a proselytizing tool for RSE. Given that the key people who created this movie are all members of RSE and devotees of JZ Knight/Ramtha, and even though the ranks of RSE are swelling because of this movie, do you honestly believe this is all just a coincidence? David McCarthy Yelm (Message edited by David McCarthy on June 13, 2005) | ||
| erik (erik) New member Username: erik Post Number: 1 Registered: 8-2005 Posted From: 24.20.137.55 |
truth should not be complicated with complex physics. My opinion is the truth is simple. Buddha sat under a tree. found enlightenment. then again so did newton. I have a relative in JZ's school, and worry because she has no cares concerning a subservience to the all powerfull, but continually proffeses how Ramtha and herself represent the all powerful through knowledge of science. If I was to choose a religious system, I sincerely would concern my self with the power of prayer and rely on God's magnificence, and let God worry about all the complicated quantum physics. Rastafari Hare Krishna Jaya Buddha | ||
| presentisagift (presentisagift) New member Username: presentisagift Post Number: 1 Registered: 9-2005 Posted From: 71.241.88.8 |
I just finished watching What the %&)*# Do We Know?! and really enjoyed it having deeply pondered many of these theories myself. Not having done enough research i'm not going to speculate on the motivations and validity of Ramtha's teachings. I personally believe every individual has unlimited potential and is a God wheather they believe it or not. I also believe all humans are equal; none better than another. It's like Alan Watts said; we are all Gods playing a big game of hide-and-seek and sometimes we hide ourselves so well in our egos we forget who or what we really are. A couple books i've found very true and meaningful on my path: "Be Here Now" by Ram Dass, "The Book" by Alan Watts and check out the movie "The Elegant Universe". All good stuff. Peace and much love to all LISTEN to Bob Marley | ||
| whatchamacallit New member Username: whatchamacallit Post Number: 18 Registered: 2-2006 Posted From: 68.60.216.8 |
As for the movie, a few people claimed that they were misrepresented in the film. One of them was David Albert. WHY would views be misrepresented, if the topic were about truth? You can read about this here, though there is more that can be found and read, too. http://www.math.columbia.edu/~woit/wordpress/?p=83 David Albert, a philosopher of physics at Columbia University, is outraged at the final product..."I was taken," Albert admits. "I was really gullible, but I learned my lesson." Yet the real shame with this film is that it plays on people's fascination with science while distorting and misrepresenting that science.13 Dr Albert's views are essentially the exact opposite of those represented in the movie. He granted a four hour interview which was creatively edited. Albert describes it in an excellent Salon.com article14 as follows: I was edited in such a way as to completely suppress my actual views about the matters the movie discusses. I am, indeed, profoundly unsympathetic to attempts at linking quantum mechanics with consciousness. Moreover, I explained all that, at great length, on camera, to the producers of the film ... Had I known that I would have been so radically misrepresented in the movie, I would certainly not have agreed to be filmed. http://www.intuitor.com/moviephysics/bleep.html | ||
| rastamonunika New member Username: rastamonunika Post Number: 1 Registered: 3-2006 Posted From: 68.116.191.196 |
ex_nihilo : I thought that I would direct you to an affilitation between the interactive computer game "Wild Divine" (also affiliated with the makers of what the bleep" and IONS/Shift into Action. www.psiarcade.com under heading; Wild Divine. I am unsure of how Wild Divine is affiliated with What the Bleep, but they are =). . . . What does it matter who the teacher/prophet/learned person is, as long as we are after the same goal. . . peace love and community :: promote it endlessly =) take care everyone | ||
| rastamonunika New member Username: rastamonunika Post Number: 5 Registered: 3-2006 Posted From: 66.152.200.102 |
I also came across this while at my favorite site, www.ions.org http://knowledgecenter.com/bleep/ Look at the quote in the center =). . . | ||
| journeythroughramthaland New member Username: journeythroughramthaland Post Number: 7 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 24.130.147.74 |
check this out at the same site as well as other reviews of the film http://66.201.42.16/viewitem.php3?id=637&catid=528&kbid=ionsikc | ||
| david_mccarthy New member Username: david_mccarthy Post Number: 22 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 216.227.117.80 |
Rastamonunika, Are you referring to this statement? Everyone in this room is a great thinker…. (Now that we’ve got them thinking) -Ramtha, in "What the Bleep" What is your point here? What do you really think? David | ||
| voidgate New member Username: voidgate Post Number: 11 Registered: 3-2006 Posted From: 144.138.162.221 |
It most certainly does matter who the teacher is because if they cannot get teach to get results then the goal will never be reached. | ||
| rastamonunika New member Username: rastamonunika Post Number: 6 Registered: 3-2006 Posted From: 68.116.191.196 |
im just speaking of the connection between ramtha and IONS. my psot had nothing to do with the quote itself, just the affiliate between ramtha and IONS. . . just saying, <3 | ||
| whatchamacallit New member Username: whatchamacallit Post Number: 21 Registered: 3-2006 Posted From: 68.60.216.8 |
Rasta... We've been told, in audience, that the school has connections with the government, who protects the school. Not sure what the point of such a statement was, or its validity - but nevertheless, it was stated, as others on this msg board can probably also attest to. Point: There may be a number of interesting connections. Maybe they ought to look deeper at who they are connecting to ! | ||
| journeythroughramthaland New member Username: journeythroughramthaland Post Number: 10 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 24.130.147.74 |
""We've been told, in audience, that the school has connections with the government, who protects the school. Not sure what the point of such a statement was, or its validity - but nevertheless, it was stated, as others on this msg board can probably also attest to. Point: There may be a number of interesting connections. Maybe they ought to look deeper at who they are connecting to ! "" }} Probably might have meant the congressman Adam Smith. His office had written a letter on the schools behalf in order to try to help foreign students into the country. I interviewed his office about the letter not too long after 911., wondering if they had indeed written the letter, and if they were aware of the nature of the school. They admitted to it going out and explained the circumstances (there had been a concerted effort at a town meeting for something to be done because students were attempting to cross the border in Canada and were getting hasseled by the border patrols. The students had been told by RSE to say that they were going on holidays. Apparently, the border agents did not believe many of them (so much for even creating a temporary reality!!) and when they searched their bags found "school" materials and would want to know where their student visas are!!! Of course it did not seem right. I was told that initially, the congressmans office had told the school that if they simply called themselves an academy they would not encounter that problem again. Of course the school would not. Eventually the Congressman succumbed and wrote a letter which at one point was advertised on the RSE website as a document that would ease entry into the country. When I asked the Congressmans office if he was going to reconsider revoking the letter given the security concerns in the country. They said he was not. I wrote to Senator Boxer a member of the Subcommittees on International Operations and Terrorism,outlining the situation. I recieved a form letter back almost a year later, but you know, it dissapeared off the RSE website and I have the feeling that Congressman Adam Smith will be a little more careful about who he writes letters for.... I could find no links between campaign contributions in any names that made any sense to me as being part of RSE. I had thought that the letter might have been some sort of "favor". It still may have been, only I was not able to identify the connection. RSE must play some economic role to some degree in the county. If anyone has an idea as to the extent, please let me know. I am also interested in the various money grabbing scams and thier reach. I may already know some of you. If I do not, and have not interviewed you, I would like to if you feel comfortable with that. You may remain anonymous,use a psudeo-name, or your own if you wish. I mostly do telephone interviews (on my dime) and they usually last between 45 min-1 1/2 hr. I would especially like to hear from more longtime students who have a long perspective on the changes which have occured. I am not limiting my interviews to only x students either for those of you who are lurking out there, you are more then welcome also. My email is inkblocked@yahoo.com it may take me a while to get back to you but I will.}}} | ||
| voidgate Junior Member Username: voidgate Post Number: 27 Registered: 3-2006 Posted From: 144.138.162.11 |
I know that students have been hassled considerably by immigration officers at various US entry points. It used to occur a lot in the early days of the school when it was less publicly acceptable. As it is not a recognised institution for study one cannot get a student visa. Entry has to be on a tourist visa, or in some cases students have managed to get a business visa if they meet sufficient criteria. Students were almost always nervous upon entry...RSE had a lot of bad press in the Seattle area in those days. I know someone who was interrogated for a considerable period. The person was unwilling to tell the truth because of all the stories she had heard. I have personally witnessed immigration officers intentionally intimidating people crossing the Canadian border. They were not connected with the school. It seems to be the way they do things. Students used to have to get out of the USA for a period of two weeks, every six months and reenter, on a tourist visa in order to remain lawfully in the USA. Highly stressful. That is why many elected not to leave the USA. Others elected to remain in their own country but they did not really have access to much tuition with this choosing....only is it evident now that it is a wiser choosing. I know one student who was questioned at Honolulu and the immigration officer asked him why he was attending an Ancient School of Wisdom (he told the truth.) He told him that there were no Modern Schools of Wisdom. The officer found this acceptable. RSE did give students a letter, upon request, stating that they were a student of the school in order to make entry easier. Mostly people have said the reason for entry is "to visit friends, holidays etc. It starts looking suspicious if there are many entries. | ||
| whatchamacallit Junior Member Username: whatchamacallit Post Number: 30 Registered: 3-2006 Posted From: 68.60.216.8 |
VG, What you describe with students having trouble at immigrations, makes me think of how many times I've heare "Ramtha" say, that in the past, students would have to walk for miles and go over hill and dale, facing turmoil, until they found the teacher. Then, they could learn. I wondered what the big deal was - get on a plane, get in the car, and just attend the event. What you wrote sheds a new light on "his" comments. I did meet a woman who is here illegally from Canada, little over a year or so ago. She does just as you said - she's here for 6 months at a time and has to go back and re-enter. | ||
| mahakala New member Username: mahakala Post Number: 1 Registered: 6-2006 Posted From: 71.38.116.10 |
Here are my thoughts on the movie: Cults will use 'truth' to attract new blood, and after they have you secure in their 'claws', then the 'hidden agenda' appears... the hidden agenda can be 'material greed-based' (looking for money), or 'energy-based' (looking for power - physical and/or non-physical), whatever their motivation; after the claws are deep, then their real agenda appears. I've been hearing questionable things about JZ Knight since the 1980's. I've also been into studying and reading quantum physics since the early 80's, and into Tibetan, American Indian, Zen, Hindu, Celtic, Sufi, Taoist spirituality since the 70's, so I'm no newbie when it comes to these topics. When I saw "What the bleep", I enjoyed much of what was communicated in the film, thinking that the movie was able to express much info in a very short period of time...but every time the blonde woman came on the screen, my 'internal alarm' went off, and even though much of what she said was true, there was an energy coming out from her eyes, mouth and face that smacked of something quite different than what she was actually saying...this energy felt so 'deceptive' to me, that every time she came on the screen I averted my eyes so I wouldn't have to LOOK at her! I didn't feel this disturbing energy coming from any other person in the film. At the end of film, when the names were posted beneath the faces, I wasn't surprised to find out that one speaker was Fred Alan Wolfe, my favorite Quantum author...I'd been following his work for some time...and AH-HA, I thought! the blonde woman was the infamous JZ Knight. I had heard many not-so-nice stories about her over the years...no wonder I didn't want to look at her 'energy'. I think it is sad that she is riding the coat-tails of other people's work in Quantum Physics, and that they, (inadvertently or not?) took part in what i now see as her 'recruitment' film for her cult. I wonder if Fred Alan Wolf and the others realized what they were getting into when they agreed to be in this movie. I wonder if they realized that it would be a Ramtha recruitment film?? And the other part that disturbs me, is that the Ramtha cult 'agenda' is now 'lumped in' with the 'quantum'! (What's that old cliché about one bad apple?) In my opinion, personality-based cults use their followers as 'batteries'. And that is why they are always recruiting for more minions, more money, more power, more, more, more... Spiritual Seekers Beware! There are lots of hucksters out there! And they want YOU and your Energy, AND your money! AND they use 'truth' to lure you in! Beware! |
