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called
Junior Member
Username: called
Post Number: 45
Registered: 4-2006
Posted From: 203.177.240.206
| | Posted on Thursday, April 20, 2006 - 6:42 pm: | 
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Have you guys every Truly thought about this? According to Rev 21:16 This Great City is perfectly square, And is 1500 hundred miles long, 1500 hundred miles wide and 1500 hundred miles high!!! and theirs about 7 billion people on the face of the earth, and only about two billion of them Profess to be Christian and most of these are catholic, Not including all that died in the passed 6000 years!!! V 27 says Nothing impure will enter this city, but only those whose names are written in the book of life will enter their! Than in V 22:15 says that all those outside of that city are impure! so its seems to me, only those who are inside of this great city itself, will be saved, and none of us are saved intel we enter those gates, Straight and Narrow is the way that leads to life and FEW their be that find it! I believe its going to take EVERYTHING WE GOT and MORE to enter this city!!!
Johnny |
arron
Senior Member
Username: arron
Post Number: 1766
Registered: 11-2004
Posted From: 68.119.205.23
| | Posted on Thursday, April 20, 2006 - 7:53 pm: |
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the city has twelve foundations or twelve stories |
called
Junior Member
Username: called
Post Number: 49
Registered: 4-2006
Posted From: 203.177.240.206
| | Posted on Thursday, April 20, 2006 - 8:51 pm: |
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yes but try to think of just how many will fit in this city, it will be like trying to fit all of New York City into your Bathroom right! its realy something to think about insent it? |
yaakov2
Intermediate Member
Username: yaakov2
Post Number: 127
Registered: 1-2006
Posted From: 68.205.188.53
| | Posted on Thursday, April 20, 2006 - 9:49 pm: |
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There would be plenty of room. Work through your mathematics.
1500 miles = 1500 X 5280 feet = 7,920,000 feet.
The cubic area equals 7.92M ft X 7.92M ft X 7.92M ft = 496,793,000,000,000,000,000 cu. ft.
Assume that the average person is 6 feet tall, 2 feet wide, and 2 feet deep. The equals 6 X 2 X 2 = 24 cu. ft.
Dividing 496.793 quintillion cu. ft. by 24 cu. ft = 20,699,712,000,000,000,000 people.
Given that the total population of Earth for all of history is just in the billions, there is plenty of excess room |
franklin
Senior Member
Username: franklin
Post Number: 1915
Registered: 11-2004
Posted From: 71.53.157.112
| | Posted on Thursday, April 20, 2006 - 9:57 pm: |
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Glad you did the math for us yaakov. Thanks. Certain posters want to think of themselves as the "elect" or the "approved" and that everyone else (you and me) will be excluded. Gives them an air of superiority over everybody else. Plus it makes them want to give more of their money to the backwoods preacher that told them that lie. |
terluvire
Intermediate Member
Username: terluvire
Post Number: 181
Registered: 3-2006
Posted From: 24.229.6.62
| | Posted on Thursday, April 20, 2006 - 9:57 pm: |
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Thanks Yaakov,
I was just going to say it was the measurement of a cube.
Good job on the math! |
yaakov2
Intermediate Member
Username: yaakov2
Post Number: 129
Registered: 1-2006
Posted From: 68.205.188.53
| | Posted on Thursday, April 20, 2006 - 10:20 pm: |
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Thanks yall!
I already knew before I started that exercise that the current world's population can fit inside a cubic mile, with plenty of room to spare. When Called mentioned a 1500 mile cube, I knew that all the people in history would easily fill less than 1/100th of 1% of the total. |
termin8d
Member
Username: termin8d
Post Number: 85
Registered: 7-2005
Posted From: 203.118.188.185
| | Posted on Wednesday, May 10, 2006 - 4:04 pm: |
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The New Jerusalem is not a physical city, it is a spirtual city, namely the church. All the materials, dimensions, structure should be interpreted spiritually, not physically.
The bible shows God's desire to have a building of Himself built into man, a mutual dwelling place. John 14:2 , John 15:4,5
Ephesians 5:27 says that the Lord will present the church to Himself glorious, not having spot or wrinkle or any such thing, but that she would be holy and without blemish.
In 2 Corinthians 11:2 Paul tells the Corinthians that He betrothed them to one husband to present them as a pure virgin to Christ.
Revelation 21:2 says that the New Jerusalem came down out of heaven from God, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.
Revelation 21:11 says having the glory of God. Her light was like a most precious stone, like a jasper stone, as clear as crystal.
1 Peter 2:5 says that we are been built as a spiritual house. |
lema_nal
Junior Member
Username: lema_nal
Post Number: 38
Registered: 12-2006
Posted From: 80.250.190.11
| | Posted on Monday, July 02, 2007 - 11:56 am: |
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termin8d presented us the point of view of Local Church, namely, the teaching of Witness Lee (one of the founders).
However, the Bible never says clearly that the New Jerusalem is not a physical city. |
loverofchrist
Member
Username: loverofchrist
Post Number: 54
Registered: 5-2005
Posted From: 24.117.99.166
| | Posted on Thursday, July 05, 2007 - 7:58 pm: |
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The Bible never says clearly that the New Jerusalem is a physical city:
Historically speaking, neither Witness Lee nor anyone in the "Local Church" are the originators of the theological interpretation of the New Jerusalem being something other than physical. I think the subject deserves a fair treatment in light of this fact and discussed rationally outside the realm of "Witness Lee teaches..." |
termin8d
Junior Member
Username: termin8d
Post Number: 26
Registered: 7-2005
Posted From: 60.234.129.189
| | Posted on Monday, July 16, 2007 - 10:53 pm: |
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Lema_nal: How can the New Jerusalem be a physical city if it is said to be a bride adorned for her husband?
Please deal with the texts above. I really want to work through this. |
lema_nal
Member
Username: lema_nal
Post Number: 68
Registered: 12-2006
Posted From: 80.250.190.11
| | Posted on Thursday, July 19, 2007 - 2:29 pm: |
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termin8d, my answer is very simple. Any physical city has not only buildings and other physical objects, but also people who live there. In the New Jerusalem, there will be people, Christians. They will be the wife of Christ.
Somehow, you, members of Local Church, always forget about people in the New Jerusalem. Or do you think that if the New Jerusalem will be a physical city, nobody will live there?
In addition, even though Christians will have resurrected bodies, they will still need to live somewhere. If the New Jerusalem will be only a spiritual city, where are they going to live? |
called
Junior Member
Username: called
Post Number: 48
Registered: 4-2006
Posted From: 222.127.56.186
| | Posted on Monday, July 23, 2007 - 9:37 pm: |
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New Jerusalem will be a physical city!!! Yes it will be. |
termin8d
Junior Member
Username: termin8d
Post Number: 43
Registered: 7-2005
Posted From: 130.123.225.69
| | Posted on Thursday, July 26, 2007 - 5:13 pm: |
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lema_nal, the text says that the city is prepared as a bride, not "inhabitants of the city". The bible is filled with verses showing that WE are God's building, WE are His house.
If your hope and aspiration is to one day go to some kind of beautiful physical city then that's up to you, but you are seriously undermining the very fabric of scripture which is concerned with God building the believers into His dwelling place.
Again, if you are to insist that a physical interpretation be used, then why aren't you consistent? Or do you actually believe that Jesus is a physical lamb and a lion, not to mention countless other descriptions given in the book of Revelation.
And I'm still waiting for you to deal with the textual arguments that I have put forth. If you consider your position to be undeniably corrrect, then it shouldn't be a difficult task for you to do. |
termin8d
Junior Member
Username: termin8d
Post Number: 44
Registered: 7-2005
Posted From: 130.123.225.69
| | Posted on Thursday, July 26, 2007 - 5:21 pm: |
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Called/Pastor Johnny : Don't even bother to input on this thread.
You've already proven yourself to be utterly incapable of dealing with textual arguments.
- You use other people's material, which even contains teachings that contradict your own, showing yourself to be a poor researcher.
- You repeat yourself without ever actually proving anything despite the fact that your statements have been proven to be false over and over again.
- You don't even know what kind of God you are worshipping because you don't know if Jesus is God or not.
- You don't care what kind of God you are worshipping. |
lema_nal
Member
Username: lema_nal
Post Number: 81
Registered: 12-2006
Posted From: 80.250.190.11
| | Posted on Friday, August 03, 2007 - 10:14 am: |
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termin8d, you, probably, know nothing about Biblical hermeneutics (principles of Biblical interpretation). Otherwise, you would not have asked such a question about a lamb and a lion. There is a huge difference between interpreting the Bible allegorically and interpreting the Bible considering figures of speach and idioms. For example, in common conversation, we sometimes use idioms, but it does not mean that our every word is an allegory. Otherwise, we would never be able to understand one another.
Lireral (or normal) interpretation of the Bible does not mean that there is no idioms in the Bible. There are a lot of idioms and figures of speech. However, the general rule is that all the words of the Bible should be understood literaly unless literal understanding has no sense. |
loverofchrist
Intermediate Member
Username: loverofchrist
Post Number: 135
Registered: 5-2005
Posted From: 24.117.99.166
| | Posted on Friday, August 10, 2007 - 3:22 pm: |
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lema_nal,
Your first mistake is comparing the Biblical languages with the English language. They are nothing alike and cannot be compared with one another.
Your second mistake is in believing that the Bible is always literal unless it doesn't make sense literally.
You keep accusing people of not knowing Biblical hermeneutics, yet you consistently fall prey to some of the most basic hermeneutical traps. |