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Saadya
| | Posted on Monday, March 04, 2002 - 6:05 am: | 
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I have a friend who is in Transcendental Meditation. He "studied" at maharishi University of Managment for more than 10 years. He is currently recruiting in Israel under the guise of Ayer Vedic medicine. If you have studied in Fairfield, Iowa, know anything of TMs activities in Israel or you are an ex-member of TM please e-mail me as I would like to discuss more details with you.
Saadya |
karen
| | Posted on Saturday, May 11, 2002 - 12:59 pm: |
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Saadya,
I know allot about TM. I used to practice it. It is extremely dangerous and can lead to many physical symptoms such as epilepsy, headaches, sleep disturbances etc. In other words it can do the extact opposite of what it claims it will do for you. I have personally experienced this.
I don't know anything about TM's activities in Israel, but I suspect that they are the same as they are in the US.
E-mail me directly with any other questions or information. Karen_80209@yahoo.com
Karen |
Ananda
| | Posted on Thursday, January 30, 2003 - 1:10 am: |
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Where do you guys come up with this stuff?? Obviously, you are not very well educated or I would be hearing different words. I am sorry for any "bad" experiences you might have had, but did you look at other areas of your life? Perhaps, TM was bringing things up in your life you need to get over. It is funny how those things work. Think before you speak!!!! |
Sam
| | Posted on Thursday, April 17, 2003 - 6:30 pm: |
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I have been practicing TM for 3 years and TM-Siddhi for 1 year. I really dont know where you got this crap information from? Why havent I experince problems in my life during this 3years?
I think it is very important to discuss the problems that 1 or 2 people have experienced so that we can decide if the problem is TM or the health of some people.
TM is a good meditation technique and from my point of view the problems derive from the stressfull brain of some people! |
Vail Carruth
| | Posted on Thursday, June 05, 2003 - 1:28 pm: |
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I'm new to this message board. I am a former TM instructor who left the movement in 1972 after having practiced it quite a few years and taught it at the Students' International Meditation Society headquarters in Berkeley, Calif. Since then I think the building burned down. I have written two books about my experience with TM. One is out of print, TM Wants You, the other I have just completed and is now published, entitled The Kiss of God. I am giving this book away for any donation to support my effort to share my knowledge of Christ and to warn people away from the dangers of occult spiritual and dishonest practices such as TM. I am open to speak and travel to share my testimony and experiences. Please feel free to email me at, jcarruth@cei.net. |
Anonymous
| | Posted on Saturday, June 07, 2003 - 7:40 am: |
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I was a former TM instructor. Don't do it! TM is very dangerous, it is a form of subtle conditioning, and they misrepresent what they are doing to the general public. If you have any questions about this, please feel free to email me. I know these things from the inside. TM empties the mind and leaves one open to subtle psychic control that brings one into spiritual bondage. |
NewsSnoop
| | Posted on Monday, August 04, 2003 - 6:26 pm: |
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Time Magazine plugs a "cult" guru's plan
http://www.cultnews.com/archives/000632.html Changed:10:30 AM on Friday, August 1, 2003 |
Anonymous
| | Posted on Friday, August 22, 2003 - 3:21 pm: |
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If you want to practice sense-introversion and gain mastery over the mind, look up Raja Yoga pranayama. www.pranayama.org is a good place to start. |
Anonymous
| | Posted on Thursday, August 28, 2003 - 8:15 am: |
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Mastery over the mind, ha. Mastery over triggering endorphin and adrenalin releases is more like it. That's your 'spiritual' aspect of meditation, guys. Ascribing it to TM is a technique called 'mystical manipulation', where an existing phenomena is triggered by the guru so that the phenomenon is then associated with the guru's practices.
Make sure you understand their definition of 'mind' before you attempt their mastery. Yogis don't produce geniuses, they produce zombie hippies. They don't produce psionics, they produce thin guys that hop on their butt muscles.
The proof of the pudding is in the tasting. Talk to some people TM has 'helped' and you'll have enough of a taste to judge. Let us know if you find any TM geniuses... |
Anonymous
| | Posted on Thursday, August 28, 2003 - 9:11 am: |
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What is you sick fascination with butt muscles? |
Anonymous
| | Posted on Thursday, August 28, 2003 - 9:25 am: |
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What is you sick fascination with trolling? |
Anonymous
| | Posted on Thursday, August 28, 2003 - 10:50 am: |
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What is your sick fascination with slammer other peoples spiritual practices? |
Anonymous
| | Posted on Thursday, August 28, 2003 - 11:55 am: |
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What is your sick fascination with sick fascination? |
Galileo (Galileo)
| | Posted on Thursday, August 28, 2003 - 1:10 pm: |
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I have practiced TM on and off since 1974 with no problems whatsoever, except that now I only do it occasionally, maybe once a month. I don't get the same results I used to, but that is OK since I don't need those results like I used to.
I never went back after my initial training. After my experience with Scientology I make it a rule to never get involved with any so-called "religious" organization.
IMO the whole secret mantra thing is a bunch of hooey. You can use any word and get the same results. I still use my original mantra but sometimes I use some other word that I like the sound of.
I also use a relaxation technique that produces the identical sensation and state of consciousness as TM. I've never experienced any negative side effect from either practice. |
Tigger
| | Posted on Wednesday, September 17, 2003 - 11:43 pm: |
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Is guru out to get kids?
http://www.cultnews.com/archives/000669.html Changed:3:11 PM on Wednesday, September 17, 2003 |
Curtis Mayfly
| | Posted on Thursday, September 18, 2003 - 9:30 am: |
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Of course he is.
So is coca cola,
tobacco companies,
nike,
the us military,
christian groups,
drug salesman,
the gap.
Basically every individual, group, or company who has a business interest in the material world.
Oh yes, the tax man too! |
Curtis Maycrash
| | Posted on Thursday, September 18, 2003 - 2:05 pm: |
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Two wrongs make a right is the mantra of all culties. |
Anonymous
| | Posted on Wednesday, October 01, 2003 - 3:50 am: |
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All meditation and mind techniques should be approached with thought and responsibility; the mind is a very delicate and subtle thing, and can be easily unsettled for brief periods. I have done TM for 16 years and have only experienced good effects in daily life, possibly because I have always followed the teacher's sensible and down-to-earth advice. In addition, anyone who has suffered a trauma or mental illness (25% of us)must be very open about it so that their teacher can adjust their practice if necessary. If you are less than comfortable, try taking the teacher's advice! |
nilskikonj
| | Posted on Tuesday, October 21, 2003 - 4:14 pm: |
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I have a question for all of you. Who should one believe? |
Anonymous
| | Posted on Tuesday, October 28, 2003 - 1:44 pm: |
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Belief is not required. With any technique that takes the mind inward the results of diving through layers of stress often leads to the experience of reliving fears and nightmares of the internal subtle programming that has been taught through societal beliefs. What is good, what is right, what is wrong etc. In the determination of what these things are through the layers of belief that are taught by our parents and peers we often fail to meet our, or their expectations. Reliving these nightmares can often trigger many physical symptoms and cause the spiritual aspirant to run screaming into the night, or in this case to post of the evils of the cause due to the effect.
It would always be interpretation of the mind in what causes someone to feel one thing or another.
The simple reality of it is that each makes a choice to set their own anchors into the foundations of their beliefs and through that foundation approach the world as an enemy or as pure potential to create whatever they wish from that potential. |
Anonymous
| | Posted on Saturday, November 01, 2003 - 12:41 am: |
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well that was a nice minisermon, Carl
MSI, the founder of SFA (ishayas) was a TM guy who went bonkers during a bad day and ended up crapping out his own sect (ishayas). The previous message comes from one of his disciples who also heads a chapter of SFA. It's almost hypnotic, isn't it? |
Anonymous
| | Posted on Wednesday, January 14, 2004 - 1:04 pm: |
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I have a friend who attended a free information evening at someone's house re this organization and they have now been asked to shell out $300 to go on a weekend about 200 miles away from their city to attend a "First Sphere weekend" so my question is as there are so few posts here on this seeming cult, what have others experienced. It seems to be quite a small hierarchical group, their webpage ishaya.org is interesting for it's leaving out any details of the background, education, training, current position with the group leaders. Does anyone have any comments on this group who has the same initials as "ISA" but is not related to them that I know of from the research I've done.
Thank you and hoping someone can tell me how to be respectfully listening to this person when they are asking me for the $300 to do the weekend away. I'm not at all comfrotable and not just about the money as I couldn't get any information even when it was a innocent question like "how ws the evening how did it go.
Thankyou anyone. |
Anonymous
| | Posted on Sunday, January 18, 2004 - 5:52 pm: |
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Hi, there everyone. I learned recently about the Ishayas through my sister's girlfriend, who is attending meetings. I'd like to hear about testimonials of people in favor and against. Up to now, the facts are that she is getting apart from her family, and using a talk that goes straight against her doings. Being kind of new in this, but having seen a lot about sociological handling, I have my doubts about the seriousness of the Ishayas. Can anybody contribute? |
Anonymous
| | Posted on Tuesday, January 27, 2004 - 1:26 pm: |
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i have an Ishaya friend who is a very grounded, conscious, and inspiring person. Also my two best friends have practiced TM for years and seem to have been affected quite positively by their practices. i myself have been practicing one of the most angrily attacked and misunderstood disciplines (ananda marga), and have learnt over the years that none of the negative slander that it has drawn can diminish the positive direction my mind and life have taken. trying to bring the minds of others down is very dangerous, for this act will become stuck in our own mind and prevent it from moving forward. let us learn to respect each other and our individual paths, and learn to work better with each other. there is so much work that needs to be done, internally and externally, let's not waste any of our precious energy. |
Anonymous
| | Posted on Friday, February 20, 2004 - 1:56 am: |
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I have practiced TM on and off for almost 6 years now. I am a college student, and TM is an extremely useful relaxation technique. I have again just recently began practicing TM every day. Wether it is the effect of TM specifically, or just the relaxation alone, I have noticed very positive changes in my life.
When encountering people who are... hmmm how do you put it... "overly enthusiastic" about TM and the whole Maharishi program (the recruiters) it is easy to see that they are a little out of it. I do believe that there is somewhat of a cult atmosphere associated with it. This may just be because they are enthusiastic about sharing their techniques with the rest of the world. They are genuinely nice and caring people, and you can tell that many are extremely intelligent. I am sure that they whole- heartedly believe that they are helping, but they do come across a bit strong.
TM is expensive to learn ($600 if I remember correctly). I was fortunate that my parents paid for it when I was an adolescent. I feel that it was money well spent; one could learn and practice various yoga or relaxation techniques on one's own, but is helpful to have an experienced teacher guide you a bit. You just have to realize that some of the meditators can appear "a bit out there"- but you dont have to embrace TM as your whole life.
Bottom line is that practicing TM has seemed to help my "mental clarity" and even social life a bit. As for the "epilepsy" and "mental problems" I read in the previous posts- I dont put any stock in that. TM is very beneficial- you dont have to forget your life and move to Fairfield, Iowa to spend your life preaching about TM. |
chagyaoxford (69.158.71.74)
| | Posted on Friday, March 26, 2004 - 11:18 am: |
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I was trained by Mahesh in the "old" days before he needed money so badly he had to get a bunch of us together to help him invent his "sidhi" program, for which, of course, he alone took all the credit. -- Yes, some people honestly claim that they have benefitted from doing tm. And YES some people honestly claim that they have had very severe, very discouraging and damaging results. I know that both groups are correct because I spent 2 years as Mahesh's personal secretary and saw the grim as well as the glorious results of his teacher training courses in Mallorce, Fiuggi and La Antilla. Sure, you can blame the victim ("you were doing it wrong" - "you have some pre-existing condition that is the problem" - "what you call bad results is just your misunderstanding: something good is happening") I have heard it all.
Those who teach tm will make no effort whatsoever to assess if you might have a pre-existing condition. If you can pay the money, you are fit.
If you have problems, you are on your own.
If you have success, all glory to Mahesh.
Mahesh invented tm and invented the myth that there is a "holy tradition" from which tm comes. Mahesh is someone who appeals directly to our unquestionable sense of "I have made the right decision, I am right, I cannot be wrong".
Either he turns you off totally. Or he hooks you by your own sense of you-cannot-be-wrong-about-this.
Think very carefully, boys and girls. You might love it. You might be in for the contamination of your life!
chagyaoxford@yahoo.co.uk |
pmmichel (198.81.26.106)
| | Posted on Wednesday, March 31, 2004 - 6:30 pm: |
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I was in TM many years ago and I found it did nothing. Since then I have found things that actually work. Now, I see some negative things about TM. I do have trouble sleeping and have for some time and saw someone post something about how TM can cause this. It is nothing I would recommend, but I did not see that it harmed me either. |
Anonymous (69.158.48.212)
| | Posted on Saturday, April 03, 2004 - 11:47 am: |
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pmmichel
Generally, tm doesn't do specific damage, although there may be redisual side effects that linger, even for a long time. Where specific psychological side effects have been noticed has been on long-rounding courses (teacher training courses), although the organization seems to have abandoned these (such as the ones to which I referred).
I have heard of very negative results from Mahesh's "sidhi" course, but haven't personally met anyone first hand who had problems. I have heard, on the less than problematic side that some have found the course dull or the effects bothersome (but this has not been reported to be long-lasting).
The question, of course, is: what would happen if the "sidhi" course was done in the same way the long-rounding was done on the big courses?
Hopefully we won't find out because the organization has smartened up (although that sounds like an oxymoron).
chagyaoxford@yahoo.co.uk |
xyzzy2005 (208.204.155.241)
| | Posted on Monday, June 07, 2004 - 10:03 am: |
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IMHO:
TM is a simple mental technique and is very very relaxing and rejuvinating. It allows me to settle back into myself and come out to act again with a renewed energy. I had experiemented it over the course of 25 years - on and found that it does work.
If you do not follow the correct instruction and strain during the meditation (which is easy to fall into), it does create *serious* issues, generally a bad day. You have to monitor yourself how your day is and correct the practice with the help of a TM teacher. |
WealthyWesterner (202.61.206.138)
| | Posted on Wednesday, June 30, 2004 - 5:24 am: |
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I have practised TM regularly and otherwise for approx. 16 years and have experienced only benefits as a result of this practise. Having stated this, I would also add that TM is not the most directly effective meditation technique I have experienced- but I don't have a problem with it in itself.
People I have encountered, who are a part of the "movement" have been mostly sincere, somewhat weak willed however, which is simply par for the course in any spiritual organisation in my view.
I respect them for their good intentions.
I have also witnessed moral judgements being made of those who do not wish to practise the technique- these being children within the schools- and a great deal of pressure and "big brother" style watching of these young people...
which is obviously not a good sign and does not make for a relaxed meditation either.
I do not respect them for these behaviours.
This kind of thing occurs in Christian schools and probably other schools with a religious/divine agenda too.
The megalomania of all modern gurus is so very telling that I wonder how any of us are convinced to see them as genuine, but in my case I was young and feeling outcast from my family. These people were kind and accepting and I still appreciate this.
The cost of learning to meditate is exhorbitant and elitist, which I find difficult to justify within an ethical, peace promoting framework. Apparently, Mahesh has judged all Westerners as either wealthy or undeserving, so I guess he hasn't been as regular as he ought to have been, as he's not thinking very clearly there.....
People within the organisation are nervous about this but cannot see past the decree of the guru, and will weakly attempt to explain. It is very difficult for older people working within this movement to do anything else- they have families to support, faces to save. A change in direction, however sane, is not easy to contemplate. I wonder how these people could be assisted? Perhaps the gradual fading of the organisation is the most humane and natural way. |
StarPrince (200.35.117.161)
| | Posted on Wednesday, August 11, 2004 - 3:01 pm: |
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To Anonymous: 11/3/03
What part of Carl's "minisermon" is untrue? Are you still angry that MSI dropped his body and you couldn't find any stability within yourself? |
Anonymous (65.230.198.238)
| | Posted on Sunday, October 03, 2004 - 9:29 pm: |
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Is that goofy Guru the Beatles had still alive? (Maharishi Mahesh Yogi)
He was always talking about TM, and would have been a good character in an Austin Powers movie ! |
peter roos (80.56.29.53)
| | Posted on Thursday, October 14, 2004 - 7:52 am: |
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Beacuse I read about your troubles with TM and Maharishi Mahesh Yogi lives in Vlodrop in the Netherlands I asked Inge Mamay of the AGPF in Germany for help when some astrologists of him were dismissed and kicked out of the living-place of Maharishi Mahesh Yogi. They were his slaves. After that I asked how the money, the raam, with which is paid in the living-place of the Maharishi, was changed and how such in the state of the Netherlands could exist. I got different answers from the minister of financees and the (under)minister of justice, who I had asked to bring the Maharishi back to Rishikesh in India, where he comes from. What do you think about that?
From ayurvedic help Maharishi has many about the privacy of those, who trust him. What about that?
Peter Roos, M.D. |
Anonymous (64.169.95.5)
| | Posted on Friday, October 15, 2004 - 9:44 am: |
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Mahesh (his real name) alisa Maharishi Mahesh Yogi has pulled a huge scam. No different than any other cult leader.
The Movement currency is also used in Fairfield Iowa, in meditator-run businesses. I have no idea how it's exchanged for dollars. And quite frankly, I don't care. Mahesh stays in Switzerland because he is wanted in the USA on tax evasion charges. |
matterik72 (matterik72)
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| | Posted on Thursday, February 17, 2005 - 6:16 am: |
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Hello, I want to answer some questions about Transcendental meditation.
If you meditate you do it at your own risk. Meditation and other spiritual practices can lead to psychoses and lifelong hospitalisation. It can be exremely dangerous and you do it at your own risk. See http://www.kundalini.se/eng/
However I do meditate with transcendental meditation and i plan to go on for the rest of my life. The changes that it can bring to your life are profound. I started meditating when i was 17 and stopped when i was 18. Then I started again at age 30 and I am now 32 years old. I have not been involved in the TM organisation at all since I learn TM at their centre in London. |
inspector_who (inspector_who)
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| | Posted on Monday, August 15, 2005 - 8:27 pm: |
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I came here to ask a question about TM, and much to my surprise, I have seen a lot of posts about the supposedly negative effects of TM. I could write a whole volume of encyclopedias on TM based on my experiences, but I will try to be much more brief here.
I am not sure what to make of TM at this point. I got into it when I was 19. I was recovering from hypoglycemia because I had just started treating it 9 weeks earlier, I was underweight, and my hypoglycemia was giving me terrible anxiety and depression symptoms, though they had gone away for the most part by that 9th week. I really got into the idea of TM before I was diagnosed. Because I had recently become an agnostic and had a major weariness with Western beliefs after a year of not getting an answer about my hypoglycemia symptoms from doctors who were outrageously arrogant, evasive, and hostile, I was easily sucked right into Maharishi's scam. I call it a scam even though I know for a fact that TM experiences have given me some of the greatest feelings of relaxation and mind expansion of my life. That much is true. It does do that. However, the feeling lasts majorly for only a few minutes after the meditation, but sometimes it made me feel more relaxed and mind expanded for a few more hours, but nothing like that first few minutes. It doesn't even do that much every time. I call it a scam because of the insane claims I was told about and the unnecessary ritual nonsense the cult involves. I went through a $300 (!!!!) course that involved bizarre rituals, chanting by my teacher, and claims that I could reach a permanent state of nirvana ("unity consciousness") eventually by practicing TM twice a day.
Two days after the big ritual of learning the technique, I walked around the Memphis Zoo and went into a state of, yes, unity consciousness, and it lasted three hours. I percieved, not just thought, that everything is one, everything is consciousness itself, everything is beautiful, and everything is totally okay. It was 14 years ago, and I still consider it the greatest experience of my life. The experience was so great that I was almost unconditionally hooked for almost two years after that. To my disappointment, I never experienced "unity consciousness" again. I still wonder how I even got there. I mark it as the exact moment my hypoglycemia recovery was complete except for not gaining enough weight to get rid of all of the symptoms, I was out of town with nothing to worry about, I was very confident about the future, and I had completely come out of the worst depression of my life not long before then. I had also done LSD for the first time three months earlier, so perhaps it was a flashback. (Interstingly, it was that same LSD that helped throw me into the severe depression that I just talked about.) I don't know what it was, but it was incredible.
That being said, for nearly the next two years, I practiced TM in a very committed way. I saw the benefits, but I was still underweight and having hypoglycemia symptoms, including anxiety. Most of the time, the TM effects were not noticable 15 minutes after I did it. I ended up losing weight again over the months, and my symptoms got worse (I was not anorexic. I really had a high metabolism problem plus lack of appetite.). I ended up looking really pale and had bad anxiety. It ended up getting really bad, but my state of mind was constantly fluctuating, sometimes from hour to hour. I would go from feeling great to feeling like I was about to die.
I finally got to a point that I decided that the TM wasn't having any permanent effects that were good, but perhaps that was because my other problem was so bad that TM couldn't do its thing successfully. At that same time, Maharishi's organization started to really offend me. My TM instructor told me she wasn't doing checks (when they watch you meditate and SOMEHOW decide if you are doing it correctly) any more, and the person she referred me to kept saying she would call me back with an appointment, which she never did. I was getting stupid Maharishi propaganda in the mail that made claims about rubbing oil on the stomach to balance "doshas" (I never learned about that nonsense in my anatomy classes.), listening to chant music that has a physiological balancinig efffect, and eating certain foods with taste combinations that do that stuff. I looked at that and its prices and thought back on the claims that my mantra was specific to me and that I should never reveal it to anybody, plus the $300 I spent, and the weird ritual I had to go through to learn how to simply say a damn word silently over and over with my eyes closed. I thought about how I was worse off than when I started. I was fed up, and I got out of it. I have hated that organization ever since then. It is a fraudulent cult.
I am not knocking meditation itself, just saying that there is obviously an unnecessary scam factor to Maharishi's ways. I don't know how they found me, but years later I started getting stuff in the mail at a different address when I hadn't asked the post office to forward my mail. (I just went to my parnents' house to get my mail that ended up there.) At this point, Maharishi was claiming the he can fly for crying out loud. The cover of the propaganda magazine now had an illustration of the solar system on it, and it talked some insanity about how physiological balance is somehow related to the positioning of the planets. I also read about how John Lennon and Paul McCartney, who said that they continued to believe in meditation, denounced the Maharishi as a fraud. They said that they caught him making moves on other men's women in India and stuff. Lennon even claimed that Maharishi gave him a look of practically a death threat when he told him he was getting out. I have no doubt that Maharishi is a lying scumbag, but what I am confused about now is the meditation itself.
Somebody above talked about how meditation turns people into zombies. I remember the husband of my TM teacher acted like one. He claimed to have gone to India with The Beatles in 1968, and he had been meditating from then until I met him in 1991. He had a very flat affect, he mindlessly stared straight ahead a lot, and asking him a question was like dealing with a really slow computer. I would have to wait about 15 seconds while he looked at absolutely nothing and formulated a monotone voice answer. I had previously met "gurus" who acted the same way. I also know that I had a few moments where I would feel disoriented and not know how loud my voice was projecting and things after I meditated. My confusion about this concerns the causation/correlation discrepancy. I had very serious problems before I got into TM, so I don't know what problems or benefits I was getting. People who get into TM usually do so because they have issues, so it is hard to say when TM is causing issues in those people, like myself. I still don't know what to make of it. For the first few months, my friends told me that I seemed more relaxed and creative, but I also had just reached a hypoglycemia treatment milestone. I don't know what the TM was doing.
I still meditate sometimes because it no doubt often has phenomenal effects for the first few minutes after I come out of it, but I don't feel the obligation to discipline myself to do it twice a day every day.
That is what I have seen. I have no definate answers to give on the long term effects. I don't know what could be harmful about extreme relaxation, but then again I have seen some freaky stuff in people who have been doing it a long time, but those people were freaky to begin with. That is all I can tell you.
By the way, does anybody here claim to have permanently reached a higher classification of state of consciousness? |
the_watcher (the_watcher)
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| | Posted on Monday, October 03, 2005 - 10:50 am: |
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I have been doing TM for 12 years & sidhis for 8 yeras and I find the techniques very good indeed.I have had a lot of benefits but sometimes think the claims go too far. most of the problems reported here are unstressing, you should have been taught techniques to cope with this but people soldier on regardless and make themselves ill. I have been through a lot of unstressing and always feel more enlightened afterwards. I don't think everyone is suited to it especially the long courses, I did one for a year meditating 9 hours a day every day and there were people ther who were certifiably insane! But I had a great time and felt superb afterwards, no permanent enlightenment yet but I think you have to break your attachment to this before it will happen, to keep desiring is to freeze your spiritual progress.
I am not however a devotee of maharishi and I have always maintained philosophical distance for the movement, even though I worked for them for a long time. I hope he is a good man but the movement has been driving me crazy with it's wierd behaviour recently. Rajas (his disciples) wearing crowns and white robes was the last straw.
With TM I think you have to do it to enjoy the technique and not take all the bullshit seriously, but it's so expensive now (and not available in england at all) that not many will ever know what they are missing.
Are there other techniques like it? I'm not so sure but would like to know if anyone has experienced higher states another way. |
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| | Posted on Thursday, November 17, 2005 - 7:17 pm: |
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In Fairfield, Iowa, 6000 people meditated for good weather and world peace. Result was: Immediately after their meditations, there was a freezing cold wind in Florida that wiped out all Orange Crops. We have been experiencing severe terrrist activities since then. Who are they praying To? |
inkorrekt (inkorrekt)
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| | Posted on Thursday, November 17, 2005 - 7:26 pm: |
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The watcher: Ask: It shall be given; Seek: You shall find; Knock: It shall be opened.
I am glad that you discovered that there is some thing missing in TM. Yes, there is only one way to God. That is through Jesus Christ. He said,"I am the Way, the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father, but by Me.
Jesus Christ claimed that He was God. When He made such a claim, He was either a lunatic or True God Himself.Who is He? 3 billion people on earth who follow Him cannot be wrong after all.
You can try Jesus Christ. He will never fail you. If you want real Joy, Jesus only can give it to you. Check Him out. You will never be the same. |
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| | Posted on Monday, January 23, 2006 - 3:02 pm: |
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To the _ Watcher,
Hello I have been practicing TM since 1975 and the TM-sidhis program since 1986. I have learned all the "advanced techniques" plus the two techniques (bliss and primordial sound technique) from Deepack Chopra, also I have been teaching hatha yoga and meditation for 32 years. I do not belong to the TM movement because of their quality control issues!. My question to you is: were you part of the "Purusha Program". when you did nine hours a day of meditating?,}} What was the daily rounding format you followed? asanas?, TM-sidhis rounding time, and how long did you practice "yogic flying" at each round?. Please let me know, I am very curious. For me the whole meditation experience throughout my thirty-plus years have been incredible!!!. Spiritual unfoldment just keeps getting better and better!!!. Please e-mail me at: yogin77@yahoo.com
(Message edited by yogin77 on January 24, 2006) |
catherine_lahiff (catherine_lahiff)
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Posted From: 62.2.237.122
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I learned TM many moons ago in Ireland but discontinued the practice. I dont remember any ill effects from it. I now live in Switzerland and would like to take it up again but do not want to pay out a fortune to re-learn. I can still remember my mantra (I guess it hasn't expired. Does anyone have any tips for re-commencing, I've forgotten most of the technique (if you can call it that) Does anyone know a centre in the Zurich/Luzern area? |
whitecrane38 (whitecrane38)
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Posted From: 86.137.239.139
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I learned TM some years ago and have found it absolutley excellent. Since learning the technique i have only returned to the TM centre a handful of times for check-ups etc and have never felt any pressure whatsoever to participate any more. Remember though to do the technique for 20 min twice a day, any more and you may start to feel drowsey or clunky, 20 min twice a day is plenty with excellent benefits. I have a feeling that some of the problems people have experienced are by extending their meditation time. Also remember to take some time just after meditation to come out of it. I take 5-10 min, this makes a huge difference in your mood for the rest of the day. Remember also that the TM technique was not created by the Maharishi as such, it is an ancient technique that the Maharishi has also been taught and he has re-introducd to the public if you like. So even though there does seem to be some problems with the organization the technique itself comes from ancient, precious knowledge and is unquestionable. If you dont fancy paying to learn the TM technique  you can learn a technique which i can tell you is identical to it through the web site called AYP (Advanced Yoga Practices) it is run by someone called Yogani and his advice and forum for meditators is invaluable, absolutely first class. |
lookatall (lookatall)
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Posted From: 69.114.115.115
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Warning! Warning! Warning!l
Look at your family background. If you have any mental illness in your family, TM may trip off psychosis. Some people enjoy the dissociative state that meditation produces, (dissociating from everything, including stressful personal problems) whereas the change in brain chemistry that it produces is extremely dangerous to others. (just like in other cults)
Also, although the Beatles visit to the Maharishi has been mentioned, no one has mentioned his inappropriate behaviour towards female members
of the group. I actually think that he himself is permanently pyschotic, as indicated by the blank staring ahead, and slowness of response. People who want to see him as a spiritual leader have accepted this strange behavior. |
yogin77 (yogin77)
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Posted From: 71.162.137.70
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If one has been away from TM and would like to get back into the procedure all one needs to do is contact a local TM center and schedue a free meditation checking. That should get one back into a correct practice. |
lookatall
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Posted From: 69.114.115.115
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Hopefully one would have common sense and not take yogin's advice. He has shares in the company. |
inkorrekt
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Registered: 11-2005
Posted From: 207.93.211.50
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I was an investigator in a project to study the physiological and biochemical effects of TM. All the reports I read from Stanford University were not convincing then and even today. With statistics, you can prove anything. This is what was done. I was asked to meditate myself. As an investigator, I refused. Then I was offered lots of money. I refused. Then I was punished. My research grants and teaching assignments were cut off. I was paid my salary ,but never allowed to work. Why did they not allow me to make an objective study? Reason is: they wanted we to say what they wanted to hear.
It is a dangerous mind controlling tool. Many instructors have committed suicide. When they give you the sylabble(Mantra) and you keep on repeating this million times, you are actually invoking DEMON spirits to possess your mind. It is impossible to bring the brain to ZERO activity(Emptying the mind). For them to say that the people who had problems already had other problems is outrageous. Well, is this TM not supposed to cure everything??? |
inkorrekt
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Posted From: 207.93.211.50
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I was an investigator in a project to study the physiological and biochemical effects of TM. All the reports I read from Stanford University were not convincing then and even today. With statistics, you can prove anything. This is what was done. I was asked to meditate myself. As an investigator, I refused. Then I was offered lots of money. I refused. Then I was punished. My research grants and teaching assignments were cut off. I was paid my salary ,but never allowed to work. Why did they not allow me to make an objective study? Reason is: they wanted we to say what they wanted to hear.
It is a dangerous mind controlling tool. Many instructors have committed suicide. When they give you the sylabble(Mantra) and you keep on repeating this million times, you are actually invoking DEMON spirits to possess your mind. It is impossible to bring the brain to ZERO activity(Emptying the mind). For them to say that the people who had problems already had other problems is outrageous. Well, is this TM not supposed to cure everything??? |
inkorrekt
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Username: inkorrekt
Post Number: 219
Registered: 11-2005
Posted From: 207.93.211.50
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I was an investigator in a project to study the physiological and biochemical effects of TM. All the reports I read from Stanford University were not convincing then and even today. With statistics, you can prove anything. This is what was done. I was asked to meditate myself. As an investigator, I refused. Then I was offered lots of money. I refused. Then I was punished. My research grants and teaching assignments were cut off. I was paid my salary ,but never allowed to work. Why did they not allow me to make an objective study? Reason is: they wanted we to say what they wanted to hear.
It is a dangerous mind controlling tool. Many instructors have committed suicide. When they give you the sylabble(Mantra) and you keep on repeating this million times, you are actually invoking DEMON spirits to possess your mind. It is impossible to bring the brain to ZERO activity(Emptying the mind). For them to say that the people who had problems already had other problems is outrageous. Well, is this TM not supposed to cure everything??? |
inkorrekt
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Username: inkorrekt
Post Number: 220
Registered: 11-2005
Posted From: 207.93.211.50
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I was an investigator in a project to study the physiological and biochemical effects of TM. All the reports I read from Stanford University were not convincing then and even today. With statistics, you can prove anything. This is what was done. I was asked to meditate myself. As an investigator, I refused. Then I was offered lots of money. I refused. Then I was punished. My research grants and teaching assignments were cut off. I was paid my salary ,but never allowed to work. Why did they not allow me to make an objective study? Reason is: they wanted we to say what they wanted to hear.
It is a dangerous mind controlling tool. Many instructors have committed suicide. When they give you the sylabble(Mantra) and you keep on repeating this million times, you are actually invoking DEMON spirits to possess your mind. It is impossible to bring the brain to ZERO activity(Emptying the mind). For them to say that the people who had problems already had other problems is outrageous. Well, is this TM not supposed to cure everything???
Americans are too naive and gullible. They will believe anything other than Christianity. So, TM is an easy sell. |
inkorrekt
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Username: inkorrekt
Post Number: 221
Registered: 11-2005
Posted From: 207.93.211.50
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I was an investigator in a project to study the physiological and biochemical effects of TM. All the reports I read from Stanford University were not convincing then and even today. With statistics, you can prove anything. This is what was done. I was asked to meditate myself. As an investigator, I refused. Then I was offered lots of money. I refused. Then I was punished. My research grants and teaching assignments were cut off. I was paid my salary ,but never allowed to work. Why did they not allow me to make an objective study? Reason is: they wanted we to say what they wanted to hear.
It is a dangerous mind controlling tool. Many instructors have committed suicide. When they give you the sylabble(Mantra) and you keep on repeating this million times, you are actually invoking DEMON spirits to possess your mind. It is impossible to bring the brain to ZERO activity(Emptying the mind). For them to say that the people who had problems already had other problems is outrageous. Well, is this TM not supposed to cure everything???
Americans are too naive and gullible. They will believe anything other than Christianity. So, TM is an easy sell. |
pieinthesky
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Posted From: 205.188.116.10
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Hello--I am new to this message board also, but I have a few million things to say about TM....however, I will keep it relatively brief.
ONe thing I don't notice on your board is the deception. Whether you think it is wrong and against God or right and just this simple technique, etc., you lose the right to make that choice when you become involved. During the intiation ceremony you will see your teacher bow down to a picture of a guru and give sacrifices, that you will have to bring also. You will be given a mantra that is based on your age and the name of a Hindu god. TM is about one thing---spreading Hinduism, and that little guru taking over the world if he can swing it before he dies. They have millions upon millions of dollars, they have a political party. All in the name of PEACE FOR THE WORLD? Peace on his terms. If you followers will notice, he shifts his emphasis according to whatever is popular. Feng Shui got popular so now he does the same thing with a different name and has all his followers walking around with compasses and facing east---he didn't mention that 30 years ago. And when everyone got health conscious, out came the expensive vitamins and organic stuff.
His top people will tell you that the most important thing is to get people to do it---package it any way you need to. If the world is at war, we'll present peace, if the world is stressed, we'll present relaxation. Oh, there is a perfect answer for everything.}}}
Inkorrekt you are right---we are like the cow chewing grass through the fence---we have what we need, what we were instructed to do, and we'll look anywhere to find something else. |
david203
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Posted From: 71.243.77.86
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I have practiced TM for 36 years and it never fails to dissolve the day's stress in a few minutes of effortless nonreligious practice. It has not given me headaches, insanity, or put me in the possession of demons. Although not religious in nature, it has increased my appreciation of the good in religions.
If you know someone who is interested in learning TM but can't afford the $2,500 fee (USA), you may be interested in the Natural Stress Relief manual and CD. I sell these materials via the nonprofit www.NaturalStressReliefUSA.org.
Although Natural Stress Relief is do-it-yourself, and is different from Transcendental Meditation, it does teach a comparable method for transcending thought, leading to the same state of samadhi (steady intellect in bliss consciousness).
I would also like to recommend Advanced Yoga Practices by Yogani (www.aypsite.org) as another excellent source for learning deep meditation and other yogic techniques.
David Spector,
President
Natural Stress Relief/USA |
somedude108
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Posted From: 69.66.137.41
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I’ve been doing TM for 15 years now and just the other day I was possessed by a demon during my practice. The demon took control of my body and made me watch the Price is Right and eat cereal for a couple of hours and then some softcore pornography on Cinemax . Then I had an epileptic seizure while Ganesh smashed my house. Next I gave all my money to “the guru” so that he could take over the world. Oh wait…no, sorry that didn’t happen. Actually the other day during my practice I just felt kinda relaxed and maybe a bit sleepy. Hmph… maybe next time. |
inkorrekt
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Posted From: 208.54.15.1
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The Mantra everyone repeats million times is "OM" The meditators are asked not to share this with anyone else. This is a secret. What is does is to invoke the name of a demon which wilkl possess your mind and make you a real ZOMBIE. |
inkorrekt
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Username: inkorrekt
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Posted From: 208.54.15.1
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The Mantra everyone repeats million times is "OM" The meditators are asked not to share this with anyone else. This is a secret. What is does is to invoke the name of a demon which wilkl possess your mind and make you a real ZOMBIE.BEWARE OF "TM" |
astro1646
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Posted From: 24.16.178.165
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Hi, I am a yoga teacher who has recently become interested in TM. I was shocked to find out that it costs $2,500! This really turned me off. I know some people who have been trained in it and there is this incredible secrecy like the Free Masons or other secret societies. This kind of elitist attitude is quite contrary to spiritual advancement and being of service to others, which is, I believe why we are here. |
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