| Author | Message | ||
     Anonymous (216.183.185.87) |
IT IS SO SAD THAT SO MANY MINISTERS ARE TEACHING THIS TITHING. I HAVE READ A LOT OF ARTICLES ON TITHING AND I FINALLY HAVE PEACE THAT IT IS A BIG LIE. THANK GOD FOR EXPOSING THE TRUTH THE WAY THAT I SEE IT. WE NEED CAR INSURANCE, WE NEED HEALTH INSURANCE, AND WE BETTER BUY DEVIL INSURANCE BY TITHING OR GOD WILL GET US. AS THE PREACHER SAYS, GOD WILL NOT REBUKE THE DEVOUR. ALL THAT THEY ARE DOING IS DESTROYING PEOPLES FAITH IN GOD, AND FILLING PEOPLE WITH FEAR. WHILE THEY LIVE LIKE KINGS. THE REAL JESUS DID NOT ASK FOR MONEY BEFORE HE HEALED SOMEONE. DID YOU EVER HEAR OF PETER ASKING FOR MONEY BEFORE HIS SHADOW HEALED SOMEONE. JUST LIKE JESUS WAS TEMPTED BY THE DEVIL , THE MODERN DAY TV PREACHER WAS ALSO TEMPTED, AND THEY ALL FAILED, AND WENT FOR THE CASH. I WILL NOT ALLOW MYSELF TO BE TAKEN AGAIN. THERE ARE A LOT OF SINCERE PEOPLE WITH REAL PROBLEMS WHO TRUST THAT THESE PEOPLE ARE REALLY HEARING FROM GOD.THEY DO NOT HAVE THE BIBLICAL KNOWLEDGE THAT THESE PEOPLE HAVE ,SO THEY TRUST THEM. BUT I CAN SEE NOW THAT IT IS NOT THE HOLY SPRIT WHO IS LEADING THEM TO LIE TO THE CHURCH. I FORGIVE THEM, BUT THEY GET NO MORE CASH FROM ME, AND I WILL NOT VISIT THOSE CHURCHES AGAIN. MAY GOD HAVE MERCY ON US ALL | ||
| EDWARD JOHNSON JR (216.183.185.87) |
I AM VERY GLAD THAT YOU FOUND OUT THE TRUTH ABOUT TITHING. WHEN I FOUND OUT THE TRUTH YEARS AGO IT WAS LIKE A HEAVY WEIGHT WAS LIFTED OFF ME. I STOPPED GIVING FOR A WHILE, AND THEN DECIEDED TO GIVE TO POOR PEOPLE, AND FAMILY MEMBERS IN NEED. I AM GLAD THAT YOU FORGAVE THEM. | ||
| SUE DAVIS (216.183.185.87) |
YES IT IS SAD, BUT THAT IS HOW THE CHURCH IS TODAY. I TOTALLY AGREE WITH YOU THAT JESUS NEVER ASK FOR MONEY, AND HE WAS ALWAYS WILLING TO HEAL SOMEONE WHO WAS SICK. REMEMBER TO SPREAD THE WORD AND TELL OTHERS THE TRUTH ABOUT TITHING | ||
| Anonymous (216.183.185.87) |
I LIKE YOUR PART ABOUT HOW THEY WERE ALL TESTED AND THEY ALL FAILED. IT IS TRUE, IT CAN HAPPEN TO ANY ONE OF US. WE HAVE TO BE ON GUARD BECAUSE THE DEVIL IS LIKE A LION, GOD PROTECT US. DONT FEAL BAD, A LOT OF PEOPLE HAVE BEEN TAKEN ADVANTAGE OF,BY THERE TWISTING OF THE WORD OF GOD. | ||
| Anonymous (216.183.185.87) |
LOOK TO GOD AND HIM WORD. DO NOT ALLOW YOURSELF TO BE LED ASTRAY BY ANY MINISTER. | ||
| Anonymous (216.183.185.87) |
HOW ARE WE TO PAY THE BILLS OF THE CHURCH, AND SPREAD THE GOSPEL IT PEOPLE DO NOT TITHE. | ||
| KATHY (216.183.185.87) |
THANKS YOU HELPED ME TO CHECK OUT THE TITHE FOR MYSELF, AND I AGREE YOU ARE RIGHT. WE DO NOT HAVE TO PAY A TITHE ANY MORE. | ||
| JOE (216.183.185.87) |
YES I WAS VERY CONCERNED WHEN WEEK AFTER WEEK THE PREACHER WAS ASKING FOR TITHE MONEY. I COULD HARDLY PAY MY BILLS, I KNEW THAT I COULD NOT PAY A TITHE ALSO. I WAS ALWAYS FEELING GUILTY FOR NOT TITHING. I ALWAYS WONDERED WHY THEY NEVER TOLD US THAT ABRAHAM GAVE A TITHE OF THE SPOILS OF WAR, THE MONEY HE GAVE WAS NOT EVEN HIS OWN MONEY. IT WOULD BE LIKE GIVING AWAY YOUR NEIGHBORS CAR TO THE CHURCH. AND THE BEST PART IS THAT HE NEVER TITHED AGAIN. | ||
| BRIAN (216.183.185.87) |
MY SISTER TOLD ME ABOUT THE TITHE NOT BEING TRUE, BUT I DID NOT BELIEVE HER. IT WAS ALMOST 2 YEARS LATER UNTIL I REALIZED SHE WAS RIGHT. I WAS SO PROGRAMED INTO BELIEVING THE PREACHER, THAT I WAS BLIND TO THE TRUTH. BUT NOW I KNOW THE TRUTH ALSO. | ||
| BETH (216.183.185.87) |
WE MOVED TO ANOTHER STATE AND HAD TO FIND A NEW CHURCH. WE MUST HAVE GONE TO SEVERAL CHURCHES UNTIL WE COULD FIND ONE THAT WAS MORE CONCERNED ABOUT US INSTEAD OF OUR MONEY. | ||
| Anonymous (216.183.185.87) |
MY HUSBAND WILL NOT EVEN GO TO CHURCH ANY MORE BECAUSE OF ALL THE ASKING FOR MONEY. | ||
| BILL (216.183.185.87) |
SOME WAY A LOT OF MINISTERS MUST HAVE BEEN PROGRAMED ( PROBABLY IN SEMINARY SCHOOL ) THAT THE TITHE IS FOR TODAY. I HOPE THAT OTHER MINISTERS WILL STAND UP FOR THE TRUTH. I AM NOT VERY EDUCATED BUT ANYONE WHO CAN READ CAN EASILY SEE IN THE BIBLE THAT THE TITHE IS NOT FOR TODAY. | ||
| Anonymous (216.183.185.87) |
JUST THINK OF HOW MANY PARENTS ARE TEACHING THE TITHE TO THERE CHILDREN ADDING BONDAGE TO THER LITTLE MINDS AND HEARTS. | ||
| Anonymous (216.183.185.87) |
I THINK WE SHOULD ALWAYS PRAY BEFORE WE GIVE MONEY. LET THE HOLY SPIRIT DIRECT US WHERE TO GIVE.I HONESTLY CAN NOT BELIEVE THAT THE HOLY SPIRIT WILL LEAD US THE WRONG WAY. | ||
| Anonymous (83.129.0.78) |
>>>HOW ARE WE TO PAY THE BILLS OF THE CHURCH, AND SPREAD THE GOSPEL IT PEOPLE DO NOT TITHE. <<< WHAT bills? And do you sincerely believe that the Gospel cannot be spread without tithing money? If I go to my neighbor to tell him about Jesus, I don't need no money for that, I just open my mouth. Can you believe that I'd do that for free? And believe me, if I go to 10 people a YEAR like that, and just one of them believes in Jesus and does the same, then in 12 years ALL THE EARTH has heard the Gospel! And no one needs a cent for that. Then why doesn't that happen? Because people think "Naw, I don't need to spread the Gospel, I just pay a Minister and they will do it for me". This is what that kind of idea you suggest is furthering. Oh, by the way, did you see the only New Testament passage where the disciples of Jesus were asked to contribute money during the time they were with Jesus? What was the answer: " The children are free!" Jesus taught us clearly that we ARE NOT FORCED to give money for paying the bills of the "temple" aka. "church". Jesus taught us clearly that we are free from paying for religious duties pertained by others. Are you saying Jesus didn't know what practically it means to spread the Gospel or how to arrange the upkeep for the church? Was Jesus really THAT inadequate in your eyes? There is NOT A SINGLE VERSE in the New Testament commanding us that we SHOULD tithe. The only verses regarding a mandatory tithe are in the OT. And there, the money was taken from the "laity" and given to the "priesthood". Today, ALL THE BELIEVERS are the universal priesthood of Christ. So, a tithe in the OT style is ridiculous, because ALL Christians have an EQUAL right in the money. That means: NONE OF US are the "lay" class from whom the monies should be collected. And even if it were so, ALL OF US would have an EQUAL right to share in the proceedings. Not only self-proclaimed ministers. Even worse for those who demand money from others, Paul gave the pattern of a fulltime servant who would NEVER accept money from a church he did build up, in order to give them a proper testimony on how an Apostle should behave. Are those who want money for their "spreading of the Gospel" better than Paul? Are they the "super-Apostles"? | ||
| Anonymous (216.183.185.87) |
NOW THAT I KNOW THE TRUTH ABOUT TITHING, I WISH I WOULD HAVE FOUND OUT YEARS AGO. I AGREE THEY GET NO MORE MONEY FROM ME. | ||
| KIM (216.183.185.87) |
I HEARD ONE OLDER LADY TALKING IN THE BACK OF CHURCH AND SHE SAID, " HE THINKS WE ARE ALL MADE OF MONEY " THAT IS WHEN I REALIZED THAT I WAS NOT THE ONLY ONE WHO WAS SICK OF HIM BEGGING FOR MONEY. I WAS MAKING 22,000 A YEAR HOW COULD HE EXPECT TO GET MORE MONEY OUT OF ME. I AM GLAD THAT I LEFT THAT CHURCH AND FOUND OUT THE TRUTH ABOUT TITHING. | ||
| GREGG (216.183.185.87) |
I DO NOT KNOW IF THE TITHE IS FOR TODAY OR NOT. THE ONLY THING I DO KNOW IS THAT SOME PERSON ON WELFARE, OR SOCIAL SECURITY, OR A WIDOW, OR A HANDICAPED PERSON, DOES NOT HAVE TO GIVE 10% OF THERE MONEY TO A MINISTER. AND GOD FORGIVE ANY TEACHER OR PREACHER WHO WOULD TRY TO TAKE MONEY FROM ONE OF THESE PEOPLE THRU USING THE BIBLE IN A TWISTED WAY. ESPECIALLY IF THEY ARE IN SOMEWAY TAKING THE MONEY FOR THEMSELVES. | ||
| RAY (216.183.185.87) |
DOES ANY ONE KNOW WHEN THIS TITHE TEACHING STARTED IN THE UNITED STATES. IF IT WAS 1890 AND PEOPLE WERE GOING ACROSS THE PRARIE TO GO OUT WEST, THEY WOULD NOT EVEN HAVE A CHURCH TO GO TO. THIS TITHE THING IN THE AMERICAN CHURCH MUST BE LESS THAN 50 YEARS OLD. IF IT IS WRONG LETS STOP IT NOW BEFORE IT CAN AFFECT THE NEXT GENERATION OF CHILDREN, AND LETS GIVE THE MONEY TO THE POOR AND THE NEEDY PEOPLE INSTEAD | ||
| FRANCIS (216.183.185.87) |
TITHING IS FOR TODAY, IF YOU DO NOT TITHE YOU ARE STEELING FROM GOD. GOD ONLY WANTS 10% OF YOUR PAYCHECK, HE ALLOWS YOU TO KEEP 90% FOR YOURSELF. HAVE YOU NOT READ TO BRING ALL OF THE TITHES AND OFFERINGS INTO HIS STORE HOUSE. HE WILL BLESS THE 90% AND IT WILL GO FURTHER THAN IF YOU DIDNT TITHE AT ALL . HAVE YOU NOT HEARD TO PROVE ME WITH YOUR TITHES AND OFFERINGS. | ||
| NATHAN (216.183.185.87) |
TITHING IS NOT FOR TODAY. I WENT TO A CHURCH AND THEY ASK FOR PEOPLE WHO TITHE TO STAND UP. ALL THIS DID WAS PUT SHAME ON THE ONES WHO COULD NOT TITHE. THEY ALWAYS SAID THAT TITHING WAS TAX DEDUCTABLE, BUT EVEN THAT WAS NOT TRUE. IT WOULD ONLY BE TRUE IF YOU GIVE MORE THAN YOUR STANDARD DEDUCTION. IF YOU WERE ONLY MAKING $20,000 A YEAR, 10% WOULD BE $2000 AND IF YOU DID NOT ITEMIZE ON YOUR TAXES, YOU COULD NOT WRITE OFF THE $2000 BECAUSE IT IS LESS THAN YOUR STANDARD DEDUCTION. WHY NOT JUST TELL PEOPLE THE TRUTH, GIVE WHAT YOU FEEL YOU SHOULD IN YOUR HEART, AND FORGET THIS TITHING AND LET PEOPLE BE FREE. | ||
| Anonymous (4.242.186.210) |
I think you all believe that you are tithing to the church. I know that is what the majority of pastors teach. They say they need money for this and that. Tithing should be an act of worship to the lord. The bible does teach that you should tithe. You can believe it or not the choice is yours. If you dont feel you can trust your church with the money you tithe then that should be a good sign that you need to find another church. Mal 3:8 Will a man rob God? Yet ye have robbed me. But ye say, Wherein have we robbed thee? In tithes and offerings. you cant outgive God. | ||
| SAM (216.183.185.87) |
YOU NEED TO READ SOME ARTICLES ON TITHING, YOU WILL SEE IT IS NOT FOR TODAY. ABRAHAM TITHED FROM THE SPOILS OF WAR, THE MONEY WAS NOT EVEN HIS MONEY, AND HE ONLY TITHED ONCE. PLEASE CHECK IT OUT FOR YOURSELF. GO ONLINE AND PUT IN TITHING AND THEN COMPARE WHAT THEY SAY TO THE WORD OF GOD. THE MODERN DAY MINISTERS DO NOT WANT YOU TO KNOW THE TRUTH. | ||
| Anonymous (83.129.82.37) |
"TITHING IS FOR TODAY, IF YOU DO NOT TITHE YOU ARE STEELING FROM GOD." ...'Give to Cesar's what is Cesar's and to God what is God's', haven't you heard that? Have you never read the verses in the NT clearly indicating that 'the children are free'? "HAVE YOU NOT READ TO BRING ALL OF THE TITHES AND OFFERINGS INTO HIS STORE HOUSE." Well, then WHAT IS the "storehouse" in the New Testament Era? How is HIS Storehouse today YOUR church's bank account? Couldn't it much rather be tht of ANOTHER denomination? Couldn't it be that the Lord God has the fullness of all His riches being embodied in Christ? Isn't the Christ the REAL treasure? If so, WHAT should we bring to whom when Christ is the only real treasure in this universe? If you really think that this verse still applies literally today, then you should also apply it in the way it was written in Maleachi, and that means: PAY YOUR TITHES TO THE HOUSE OF LEVI! (i.e. Jews of the tribe of Levi) Just one question: is your "pastor" or whoever is demanding those monies, a born Levite? WHY ARE YOU NEGLECTING THE SCRIPTURES AND GIVE MONEY TO A PERSON WHOM THE BIBLE DOES NOT MENTION? "HAVE YOU NOT HEARD TO PROVE ME WITH YOUR TITHES AND OFFERINGS. " Referring to Mal3:8.10 Have YOU not heard? "Thou shalt not PROVE the Lord Your God!" (Mt4:7, DEU6:16) Well, so what if the Bible says "do this do that", let me say the Bible says: "If you hear it said about one of the towns the LORD your God is giving you to live in that wicked men have arisen among you and have led the people of their town astray, saying, 'Let us go and worship other gods', then you must inquire, probe and investigate it thoroughly. And if it is true and it has been proved that this detestable thing has been done among you, put to the sword all who live in that town. Destroy it completely, both its people and its livestock" [Deu15] regarding a city in which people worhip things other than Jehovah. So, when are you going to pillage New York or San Francisco? Look, you can't just rip an OT verse out of context and say it does apply today! First you have to look at the surroundings, then you have to look at what the other Bible passages say regarding that subject. So, if you REALLY want to apply the ENTIRE scriptures including the OT, please go ahead and butcher the entire population of the United States because they tolerate worship of other gods in their towns. Or are you so relativistic to say "The passages I like they DO apply but those I don't like DO NOT apply". Choose one: Relativism towards the Bible or fanaticism which MUST culminate in genocide! Ah, there's another alternative, that is to realize that today all we need is JESUS as the fulfilment of the Law and the Prophets, and that today we are not bound by these laws and regulations any more, because all we need in order to see the fulfilment of all God's promises is to go to Christ Jesus. Not to donate $10000 a year to some self-proclaimed "servant of God". | ||
| SUSAN (216.183.185.87) |
I AM A PREACHER AND I WANT YOU TO SEND ME ALL OF YOUR TITHE MONEY, SO SEND IT TO ME $$$$$ AT $$$$$$$$$ CLEVELAND OHIO THANKS I CAN RETIRE | ||
| SUSAN (216.183.185.87) |
JUST KIDDING I TRUELY BELIEVE YOU SHOULD HELP THE POOR PEOPLE WITH YOUR MONEY , OR PEOPLE WHO ARE SICK, OR SEND MONEY TO THE MISSIONS. GIVE TO SOMEONE WHO REALLY NEEDS HELP. I DO NOT BELIEVE IN TITHING SO GIVE WHATEVER AMOUNT YOU BELIEVE IS RIGHT IN YOUR OWN HEART, AND I DO NOT BELIEVE IN HELPING MOST OF THE PREACHERS ON TV. SO HELP TO SPREAD THE GOSPEL OF JESUS CHRIST BY GIVING TO THE ONES IN NEED. | ||
| Jesus freak (4.72.6.128) |
Giving is an act of worship.everything belongs to God. all you are and all you have come from God.2 corinthians 9:7-8 Eachman should give what he has decided in his heart to give, not reluctantly or under complusion, for God loves a cheerful giver. And God is able to make all grace abound to you, so that in all things at all times, having allthat you need, you will abound in every good work. Love, Jesus freak | ||
| Anonymous (4.242.201.110) |
Jesus freak very nicely put! | ||
| Vicki (63.135.202.141) |
I always understood as a 2X2 that we never tithed. Not realizing my mother was slipping them money. I was having a hard time tithing in my new church. God loves a cheerfull giver. I give the standard 10% and I always notice something good comes from it. I go to a church that rents from the middle school so all the money goes to charity. Yes we do have a paid preacher, but the workers are paid too...just in a different way and probably more than our preacher gets he drives a old car, oh and yes he is married but so were some of the 12 apostles. I like to give money to help others in our community which as been struck hard by the economy. It feels good not to be selfish and after all isn't it all from GOD? | ||
| FRED (216.183.185.87) |
GOD PLEASE HELP US AND SEND THE HOLY SPIRIT TO YOUR PEOPLE WITH THE TRUTH | ||
| sojourner_truth_2005 (sojourner_truth_2005) New member Username: sojourner_truth_2005 Post Number: 1 Registered: 3-2005 Posted From: 24.195.250.1 |
Money is the thing that humans hang onto for the most part. It is our "god" in a manner of speaking and it would make sense to me that God would require us to give that last stronghold up to Him as a matter of worshipping Him. Jesus himself spoke many times on money. I believe somewhere in the NT it speaks of giving as we have received in this life and I believe it is including money as well as spiritual things. I believe the NT giving should be a matter of worshipping God and for many well-off Americans would in the end exceed that of the OT tithing. | ||
| godchild (godchild) Advanced Member Username: godchild Post Number: 761 Registered: 1-2005 Posted From: 64.28.62.6 |
Please add your name Sign the ONE Declaration ONE The Campaign To Make Poverty History This is not a request for money. I don't represent anybody. I saw this advertisement on t.v. and went to this site www.one.com. This is a way for all americans to join other countries by your signature, not by donating time or money. "We believe that in the best American tradition of helping others help themselves, now is the time to join with other coutries in a historic pact for compassion and justice to help the poorest people of the world overcome aids and extreme poverty. WE RECOGNISE that a pact including such measures and fair trade, debt relief, fighting corruption and directing additional resources for basic needs- education, health, clean water, food, and care for orpphans--would transform the futures and hopes of an entire generation in the poorest countries at a cost equal to just one percent more of the U.S. budget. WE COMMIT ourselves--one person, one voice, one vote at a time- to make a better world for all." | ||
| nobody777 Junior Member Username: nobody777 Post Number: 46 Registered: 8-2005 Posted From: 66.189.212.205 |
Hi all!  I'm new to this particular posting thread. Looks like there hasn't been activity for awhile. I just wanted to let you know about a webpage I set up several months ago, purposed to compile various articles all concerning the tithe. I agree that the tithe has no place in the body of Christ. In fact, there is not a single line of Scripture that directs believers in Christ (or anyone else) to pay monetary tithes to some religious organization. There is not one verse that equates a church building to the Old Testament Temple and there is not one verse that authorizes non-Levites, outside the land of Israel, to collect tithes. Men are distorting and altering passages of Scripture to justify their own desire for gain and manipulate people to ignore the biblical New Covenant way of giving by grace and return them to legalism. For more information, feel free to visit. God bless! http://tithing.truthforfree.com P.S. Dear godchild, concerning the ONE campaign, I understand how good this sounds and I used to support the idea myself (not to mention the fact that I am a Bono fan and love the music of U2), but there is a concern I have with this endeavor after weighing its claimed goals and the method by which they hope to achieve those goals. Contrary to the program's claims, they are asking for money... from the U.S. government. They want a tax increase equivalent to 1% of the Federal budget to be paid EACH YEAR (that's approx. $25 billion)! They neglect to emphasize the fact that this is money paid in by all Americans through the (increased) taxes they will be required to submit. I do not believe it is fair nor right to require everyone to pay money (whether indirectly or otherwise) to a cause of charity. Giving, especially as it is taught in Scripture, must come from a willing heart of love, motivated by God's grace and through freewill volition. It is one of the very traits of a believer (fruit if you will); to give freely as they have also freely received by God's mercy and goodness. Jesus never appealed to people to impose upon their governments to end poverty. In fact, Scripture gives no such mandate and defines no such purpose for government as God created it to exist and function. Jesus taught US to go and reach out to the hurting! And consider this... Suppose 100 other charities (no doubt equally deserving) asked for just 1%, what an enormous burden this would be! A 100% tax increase! The role of government is not to extract everyone's money to take care of everyone in the world. This is a leftist, liberal mindset. A utopian fantasy. It is absurd to take people's money in this fashion, especially to give away to corrupt nations. Promiscuity, sexual perversion and the like is a huge and increasingly problematic issue in Africa (no one seems to be reporting this detail though). It is truly sad that people are dying of AIDS but giving money is not the answer to the problem. Jesus is the answer. And there are lots of charities that people are free to give their money to and also engage in personal, physical service to causes that benefit these people. Those should be encouraged. That's my opinion anyway. |
