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theaustrianoak
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Username: theaustrianoak
Post Number: 5
Registered: 4-2006
Posted From: 24.237.139.83
| | Posted on Tuesday, April 04, 2006 - 9:20 pm: | 
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Personally I do not believe that any genre of music is a multifacited system of satanic influence. I've been told on many occasions by holy rollers that the heavy metal I love to listen to will make me evil. The hypocracy of it all is that they themselves listen to rap music which glorifies "killin' the po po's" and "pullin' hoes!" It makes no difference what taste you have in music because it is on a completely different wave length than your spirituality. Each of us has free volition to choose for or against evil. Music can move you emotionally as your senses get bathed in the sound. My argument is that no one is at risk of becomming a monster because of the loud, aggressive music they like. It doesn't mean that I follow a path of carnality because I listen to "satan's music!" Likewise, no one is spiritual because they are currently jammin' out on some gospel beats while banging on a tamborine and shouting in "tounges." After you become a believer in Jesus Christ all your post salvation sins are blotted out and you receive 34 irrevocable absolutes and 1 revocable absolute which is the filling of the holy spirit. Not to be confused with holy roller stuff! After you sin you lose the filling of the holy spirit but through rebound or "repentance," (repentance is a terrible english word because it denotes feeling sorry for your sins and going through some kind of legalistic penance to try and earn God's forgivess) as most know it as, God the Father restores you to fellowship with him and you have the spirit with you to fuel the bible doctrine you know in your soul so you can go on to produce divine good instead of human good. You're either 100% spiritual or 100% carnal. All you have to do to get restored to fellowship is to aknowledge you sins to God the Father as we are mandated to do in 1 John 1:9, and he is justified to forgive you after Christ's work on the cross. Every holy roller I've talked to completely disagrees with me on this because they have been lead by legalistic self-proclaimed pastors who don't understand that the sin problem was solved at the cross and still think that anything other than "Christian" music is evil. Personally, I can't stand gospel music and that isn't good, bad, or sideways. Those are just my tastes. Gospel music is fine in and of itself but it just gives me flash backs of all the holy rollers spazzing out on the floor, crying hystarically, and acting drunk.
Go ahead and form your own opinions about heavy metal music warping the minds of today's youth and comment back if you are so inclined. Right now I am going to run on the treadmill while watching rock music videos because they help me eat the pain *snicker* |
ezekiel_37
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Username: ezekiel_37
Post Number: 669
Registered: 8-2005
Posted From: 69.192.223.192
| | Posted on Tuesday, April 04, 2006 - 11:54 pm: |
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I have listened to much Hard Rock or Heavy Metal and have realized that alot of it deals with the end times. I think that the majority of this particular style of music is great and informative, although I do not like thrash. I am the singer in a rock band now...reliving my youth. Ya man!
Rap...eeeeewwwww. You are right in you analysis in my opinion.
and more importantly, we agree on the false tongues issue aswell.
There will be another occurance of the Gift of Tongues as seen at Pentacost but that doesn't happen until the trial of the elect, spoken of in the Gospels and the book of Revelation.
Peace of Christ to you! |
arron
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Username: arron
Post Number: 1675
Registered: 11-2004
Posted From: 68.119.39.174
| | Posted on Wednesday, April 05, 2006 - 12:20 pm: |
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zeke.. i know that you do not believe in tongues. i do. we can live in peace. i do not agree with what you beieve. you do not beleve in what i believe in but we both believe in JESUS THE SON OF GOD so lets just dicuss things and not get mad at each other |
theaustrianoak
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Username: theaustrianoak
Post Number: 7
Registered: 4-2006
Posted From: 24.237.140.117
| | Posted on Wednesday, April 05, 2006 - 12:27 pm: |
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You sing in a rock band bro!? Right on dude! I have a 6 string, fretted bass and I can play little bit on guitar. I'd like to learn how to play drums and the bagpipes someday. But yeah man, bombing on the holy rollers is my new hobby, so thanks for getting my back  |
ezekiel_37
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Username: ezekiel_37
Post Number: 677
Registered: 8-2005
Posted From: 69.192.223.192
| | Posted on Wednesday, April 05, 2006 - 3:31 pm: |
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NP |
ezekiel_37
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Username: ezekiel_37
Post Number: 678
Registered: 8-2005
Posted From: 69.192.223.192
| | Posted on Wednesday, April 05, 2006 - 3:37 pm: |
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Hi arron...
there are some people here that do not speak from their heart.
some here just want to hurt folks by lying.
the one thing that I won't do to you is LIE
true arron, I do not believe that the unknown tongue used by pentacostals is from God!
If you wish to be courtious then I will aswell, as I find that you do at least speak from your heart and we do share a love of Jesus.
Most use 1 Cor 14 to prove their unknown tongue.
I see it as Paul, teaching against the use of uunknown tongues. Paul goes out of his way to explain the difference in effective prayer and unknown tongues.
Most of 1 Cor 14 is talking about interpretors.
Bring an interpretor with you if your gonna preach somewhere where the people won't understand your native language.
Peace
c |
ezekiel_37
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Username: ezekiel_37
Post Number: 679
Registered: 8-2005
Posted From: 69.192.223.192
| | Posted on Wednesday, April 05, 2006 - 3:46 pm: |
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a 6 string base...cool...I play a little drums..their so awsome but I'm not great at them.
Guitar, I play rhythm....and sing
Ozzy, BS
Nickelback
STP
Collective Soul
Led Zepplin
ACDC
Jet
Alice in Chains
Green Day
Incubus
Metallica
Nirvana
Offspring
RHCP
some originals
others aswell
lotsa fun
Peace
c |
theaustrianoak
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Username: theaustrianoak
Post Number: 12
Registered: 4-2006
Posted From: 24.237.140.69
| | Posted on Thursday, April 06, 2006 - 8:04 pm: |
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That's cool that you're an experienced musician man I just started playing last summer but all the musical/artistic creativity in my family was given to my oldest brother. But yeah man, it's retribution on these holy rollers. I ain't backing down an inch ;) |
easeltine
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Username: easeltine
Post Number: 1114
Registered: 5-2005
Posted From: 72.164.43.195
| | Posted on Friday, April 07, 2006 - 6:57 pm: |
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I think that you should both do a GEICO commercial!  |
ezekiel_37
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Username: ezekiel_37
Post Number: 712
Registered: 8-2005
Posted From: 69.192.223.192
| | Posted on Saturday, April 08, 2006 - 3:02 am: |
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taking the offensive eh?
cool.....
if a 'geico' spoke to you, you would probably think that you understood it! lol
what new revelation did the little critter give ya? |
ezekiel_37
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Username: ezekiel_37
Post Number: 713
Registered: 8-2005
Posted From: 69.192.223.192
| | Posted on Saturday, April 08, 2006 - 3:06 am: |
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You see Erich... I fully believe that God gave me the ability to face crowds and sing songs that entertain people....if I get to drop the odd seed here and there...what's it to you?
I reach the 'gentiles' by way of music.....
My base player is a Rev.
My drummer is a born again.
So am I
Why you bashing me bro? |
danispeachy
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Username: danispeachy
Post Number: 267
Registered: 7-2005
Posted From: 206.182.134.103
| | Posted on Friday, April 21, 2006 - 7:36 am: |
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Zeke said: "Guitar, I play rhythm....and sing
Ozzy, BS
Nickelback
STP
Collective Soul
Led Zepplin
ACDC
Jet
Alice in Chains
Green Day
Incubus
Metallica
Nirvana
Offspring
RHCP
some originals
others aswell "
Zeke ... You just jumped quite a few more notches on my list of cool people.
Play me "Stairway" and who knows you could reach the top!
:D |
ezekiel_37
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Username: ezekiel_37
Post Number: 842
Registered: 8-2005
Posted From: 24.43.16.51
| | Posted on Thursday, April 27, 2006 - 9:48 am: |
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Most signs on the music store windows say BOLDLY...
"NO STAIRWAY TO HEAVEN"
but I still like it!
classic cool song...almost always the last song played at my school dances when I was a kid.
Peace
c |
danispeachy
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Username: danispeachy
Post Number: 271
Registered: 7-2005
Posted From: 206.182.134.103
| | Posted on Thursday, April 27, 2006 - 1:14 pm: |
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LOL
Well I wish I had gone to school with you then because The song that ended all our school dances was Bump N Grind. Yea, weren't the 90s great LOL
LOL |
generalironeagle
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Username: generalironeagle
Post Number: 57
Registered: 11-2004
Posted From: 65.13.189.216
| | Posted on Thursday, April 27, 2006 - 3:55 pm: |
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I too was taught that music that has a heavy beat is sinful. However, the bible nowhere that I can find says anything like that. It does say that words are spirt and they are life so I conclude that the words of a song are what matter.
And yet I have listened to some chrisitan heavy metal whose words seemed to be encouraging but I felt a distinct lack of peace when I listened to it so I avoid it .
Maybe its all in what we prefer as style. |
cky
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Username: cky
Post Number: 150
Registered: 1-2006
Posted From: 24.32.96.75
| | Posted on Tuesday, May 02, 2006 - 1:48 pm: |
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YOU ARE GOING TO HELL. YOU LISTEN TO ALL THAT SATANIC JUDAS PRIEST, QUEENSRYCHE STUFF. YOU WILL BE CAST TO HELL ON THE DAY OF JUDGEMENT!!!!!!!!! |
ezekiel_37
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Username: ezekiel_37
Post Number: 880
Registered: 8-2005
Posted From: 24.43.16.51
| | Posted on Tuesday, May 02, 2006 - 6:20 pm: |
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where did I say that I listen to those bands that you quoted? And even if I did, which I have in the past, what's it to you. Ever listen to the words of the bands that I mentioned? No? Oh well...continue to be a false witness then cky. |
littlelight
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Username: littlelight
Post Number: 1
Registered: 5-2006
Posted From: 172.146.19.125
| | Posted on Wednesday, May 03, 2006 - 3:00 pm: |
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Zeke,
Just wanted to say hi and let you know that I have been touched by your words and although I have made a change, I'm still way cool and wanted to let those who love the Lord like yourself know.
NO WAY . . . Zeke never said that he listened to those bands. |
ezekiel_37
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Username: ezekiel_37
Post Number: 886
Registered: 8-2005
Posted From: 24.43.16.51
| | Posted on Wednesday, May 03, 2006 - 3:12 pm: |
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Thanks Little Light
Keep shinin'
I love (the)Rock!
Peace
c |
ezekiel_37
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Username: ezekiel_37
Post Number: 887
Registered: 8-2005
Posted From: 24.43.16.51
| | Posted on Wednesday, May 03, 2006 - 3:15 pm: |
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"I'm gonna let It shine, I'm gonna let It shine..."
"Heaven's Little Light gonna shine on me"
"Shi-ine, Come on and Shine!" |
littlelight
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Username: littlelight
Post Number: 2
Registered: 5-2006
Posted From: 172.135.121.72
| | Posted on Wednesday, May 03, 2006 - 8:34 pm: |
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LOL!
That's some eclectic list up there Zeke. When I was in my teens it was Queen (I'm embarrassed to admit), Heart (I loved Heart), ABBA, etc. (And then of course there was Donny Osmond but not so much for the music.) 
(Message edited by littlelight on May 03, 2006) |
ezekiel_37
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Username: ezekiel_37
Post Number: 892
Registered: 8-2005
Posted From: 24.43.16.51
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I like Queen and Heart but Donny? Must be a girl thing. I'm an 80's teenager. But I heard that his performance in Joseph and the technicolored dreamcoats was quite good! I would like to see that musical one day.
On this tongues thing....
I think that it is important to understand the difference between Acts2 and 1Cor14. Many (the majority that I have come across) pentacostal Believers claim that these events are the same and I strongly disagree. So lately I have been trying to study around understanding the Spirit Baptism and The Gift of Tongues, the Cloven Tongue of God (to spread the Gospel to the nations). Also exactly what the Bible teaches conserning the unforgivable sin and what it really means to Blaspheme the Holy Spirit.
These are the topics of interest at the moment.
But even if we do disagree, keeping a Christian attitude is paramount, for we are all ONE with and in Christ.
peace
c |
littlelight
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Username: littlelight
Post Number: 3
Registered: 5-2006
Posted From: 172.130.35.8
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I edited the above post because I said too much and want to remain anonymous.
More of a late, late 70's teen here and yes on the Donny thing. It was a girl thing.
I'll lurk a while on the tongue and blaspheme thing.
God Bless, |
arron
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Username: arron
Post Number: 2307
Registered: 11-2004
Posted From: 68.119.37.10
| | Posted on Monday, June 19, 2006 - 9:58 pm: |
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i fully believe that if a person who sings or plays in a rock band, if they get saved they will come out of that type music and songs, GOD gives us a new song and shows us a better way than the way of the world. |
ezekiel_37
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Username: ezekiel_37
Post Number: 1173
Registered: 8-2005
Posted From: 24.43.16.51
| | Posted on Tuesday, June 20, 2006 - 4:55 am: |
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so arron, rock music is evil then? |
arron
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Username: arron
Post Number: 2311
Registered: 11-2004
Posted From: 68.119.37.10
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to those who believe as i do.. rock music and its verses and way of singing is of the devil. it is sensual fleshly. |
ezekiel_37
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Username: ezekiel_37
Post Number: 1176
Registered: 8-2005
Posted From: 74.118.2.167
| | Posted on Wednesday, June 21, 2006 - 12:12 am: |
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What about Christian rock!
In His service
c |
jayhernandez
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Username: jayhernandez
Post Number: 208
Registered: 4-2006
Posted From: 68.21.76.34
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ezekiel_37: would you email me at mocha_boy_mb@yahoo.com
BTw there is an underscore after mocha and boy
I have something you might want. You said you were doing a study and well even though I thought you had come across this a while back on another thread we had discussion on together, it seems that there is still question. let me know- email when you can
Jay the peacmaker |
arron
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Username: arron
Post Number: 2324
Registered: 11-2004
Posted From: 68.119.37.10
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to those who beleive as i do .. there is no such thing as christian rock. in music in song, before any one has some smart thing to say. I KNOW JESUS IS THE ROCK i am not talking about HIM |
turtle
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Username: turtle
Post Number: 1284
Registered: 9-2005
Posted From: 72.66.228.9
| | Posted on Wednesday, June 21, 2006 - 9:13 am: |
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Music is defined in webster dictionary.
1. Melody or harmony; any succession of sounds so modulated as to please the ear, or any combination of simultaneous sounds in accordance or harmony. Music is vocal or instrumental. Vocal music is the melody of a single voice, or the harmony of two or more voices in concert. Instrumental music is that produced by one or more instruments.
By music minds an equal temper know.
2. Any entertainment consisting in melody or harmony.
What music and dancing and diversions and songs are to many in the world, that prayers and devotions and psalms are to you.
3. The science of harmonical sounds, which treats of the principles of harmony, or the properties, dependencies and relations of sounds to each other. This may be called speculative or theoretical music.
4. The art of combining sounds in a manner to please the ear. This is practical music or composition.
5. Order; harmony in revolutions; as the music of the spheres.
Boy I bet I get in trouble here by some of my friends. Anyway though I do not like hard rock, heavy metal, or rap I am not a total bigot to secular music. County,(tolerate Jazz and bluegrass) music is kind of cool. But realize I do not see it as praise music but more of how dailly living is to some people. It is a story about some emotions, physical, and spiritual life. If anything you can understand the outside world a little better. Some lyrics are purely satanic. Anytime worshiping the devil comes on a song or hints or leans that way yes that is exactly what it is devil music. And no respectable christian should listen to those lyrics. They do not build you up they tear you down. Put doubts in your head you got to fight away. But what about a song that makes you laught or cry or say yeah I have been there is there really anything wrong with it. Music is really about expression. For a christian all we do should be for the Lord. But lets get real does everything you do and say and watch on tv magnify the Lord. I don't think anyone is perfect. Or not that perfect. God made life to enjoy as well as for us to be reminded of who made it. But truth be told if it causes you to sin dont' listen to it. |
theaustrianoak
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Username: theaustrianoak
Post Number: 15
Registered: 4-2006
Posted From: 24.237.141.252
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"YOU ARE GOING TO HELL. YOU LISTEN TO ALL THAT SATANIC JUDAS PRIEST, QUEENSRYCHE STUFF. YOU WILL BE CAST TO HELL ON THE DAY OF JUDGEMENT!!!!!!!!!"
Well, that's very unfortunate that you feel that way. Like others have said before me, there is nothing in the Bible that says anything about evil generes of music but somehow people still subscribe to that notion. So far the only people I've known who feel this same way are Pentecostal sheeple who are so terrified of the real world they must be told by a leader exactly what to think... because they would know, right? I mean, you must have all your ducks in a row if God is speaking directly to you and you alone *lol*
Here's some food for thought: Satan sponsors human good and religion is his most useful tool. Think about it. Who else but Satan would invent a religion like Islam where their people have to help him out by distorting the plan of God by murdering Christians and Jews. Non-legalistic Christians know that God doesn't NEED their money because he owns the cattle on a thousand hills. We know he has absolute omnipotence and therefore doesn't succeed or fail based on our level of involvement.
This quote is a classic example of the quientessence of self-rightousness. People must think that since they're the Lord's best servant and have all the right ideas about spirituality, don't watch racy movies or listen to aggressive music then all those other people who are totally the opposite must be in big trouble with God *lol*
If you don't like the Hard Rock then you are free to enjoy your own flavor. Music makes no difference whatsoever to edifying or denouncing your spirituality. You know, some people like casual lounging music with Beethoven while guys like me lift weights and run to loud, aggressive Rock because it helps me eat the pain. |
bear
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Username: bear
Post Number: 484
Registered: 4-2005
Posted From: 24.247.112.45
| | Posted on Tuesday, July 11, 2006 - 10:35 pm: |
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To those who are against all secular music:
(I am not saying that all of it is good, it is not. However let's be real!)
If you believe that all music that is not Christian is of the devil, and that listening to it is a highway to hell, take note:
You better not:
1. Watch the news
2. Watch sitcoms
3. watch movies
4. Watch cartoons
5. Watch anything that is not Christian.
If you do, then you too are headed down the same highway; NO EXCEPTIONS! |
nolurkingonme
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Username: nolurkingonme
Post Number: 3
Registered: 7-2006
Posted From: 69.85.147.202
| | Posted on Saturday, July 22, 2006 - 6:32 pm: |
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this is a simplistic message which probably won't effect much of the rock'n roll crowd.
but, it is my weak attempt to help. to begin with i don't believe everyone who goes to any faith is necessarily bad. i believe that across the board there are people with the best of original intentions when they start to attend any church. unfortunately, it is going awry quickly in many venues.
as horrible as it seems to compare the membership of charlie manson; there were some members of his group who questioned their behavior before they fulfilled it. And other members who just automatically did what he said. so, obviously there is at least "better", and let's say for sake of argument "less satanic" even within the most horrible of beliefs, and believers. hopefully they can contain him, and his venue the rest of their lives regardless of our comparisons of his membership.
so, having clarified that I would like to say that my mother is 89 y/o, and says she is still recovering from the pentacost religion. there were many good meaning people who entered the walls of that church, but sometimes they didn't act very well inside, and when they left it.
i am approaching 54 years old, and sometimes feel that i have to recover from mom's recovering, ha,ha,ha!
well, it's at least a little true. my folks agreed to raise me in a different religion when they married, and all that went very well for us. nevertheless, i have watched my mother struggle with emotional difficulties she feels were began in the fear based religion she was raised with.
i think the issue is that it is a "more fear based religion" than most dogmatic religions. ours, from the pulpit itself was a 'love' based religion.
so, my idea is this; if the rock'n roll venues you listen to are 'fear based' then is it much different than the fear based stuff one would hear from a pentacostal pulpit?
the point i am making is that it isn't the sound of the music, but the meaning of it that makes the difference. if the lyrics are about causing fear in others then doesn't that make it just as offensive, as pentacosts not wanting to hear "any music"?
i think a world without music would be really horrible, and i am sorry my mother felt so badly when my father would ask her to dance with him. that was something i feel the pentacostal faith stole from my parents romantic lives. i feel it was sinful to make mom feel so badly about being musically creative with each other when it was an appropriate venue like ball room dancing.
please don't let anyone steal away your ability to create romance with your loved ones because of some instilled belief that the devil created a venue just to mislead you.
nevertheless, 'intent' when listening to music, and 'appropriate venue' is also equally important in my opinion. forcing other's to listen to your music is just as non-creative, and not being able to listen at all. tx, and i hope it might help. |
nolurkingonme
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Posted From: 69.85.147.202
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this is a simplistic message which probably won't effect much of the rock'n roll crowd.
but, it is my weak attempt to help. to begin with i don't believe everyone who goes to any faith is necessarily bad. i believe that across the board there are people with the best of original intentions when they start to attend any church. unfortunately, it is going awry quickly in many venues.
as horrible as it seems to compare the membership of charlie manson; there were some members of his group who questioned their behavior before they fulfilled it. And other members who just automatically did what he said. so, obviously there is at least "better", and let's say for sake of argument "less satanic" even within the most horrible of beliefs, and believers. hopefully they can contain him, and his venue the rest of their lives regardless of our comparisons of his membership.
so, having clarified that I would like to say that my mother is 89 y/o, and says she is still recovering from the pentacost religion. there were many good meaning people who entered the walls of that church, but sometimes they didn't act very well inside, and when they left it.
i am approaching 54 years old, and sometimes feel that i have to recover from mom's recovering, ha,ha,ha!
well, it's at least a little true. my folks agreed to raise me in a different religion when they married, and all that went very well for us. nevertheless, i have watched my mother struggle with emotional difficulties she feels were began in the fear based religion she was raised with.
i think the issue is that it is a "more fear based religion" than most dogmatic religions. ours, from the pulpit itself was a 'love' based religion.
so, my idea is this; if the rock'n roll venues you listen to are 'fear based' then is it much different than the fear based stuff one would hear from a pentacostal pulpit?
the point i am making is that it isn't the sound of the music, but the meaning of it that makes the difference. if the lyrics are about causing fear in others then doesn't that make it just as offensive, as pentacosts not wanting to hear "any music"?
i think a world without music would be really horrible, and i am sorry my mother felt so badly when my father would ask her to dance with him. that was something i feel the pentacostal faith stole from my parents romantic lives. i feel it was sinful to make mom feel so badly about being musically creative with each other when it was an appropriate venue like ball room dancing.
please don't let anyone steal away your ability to create romance with your loved ones because of some instilled belief that the devil created a venue just to mislead you.
nevertheless, 'intent' when listening to music, and 'appropriate venue' is also equally important in my opinion. forcing other's to listen to your music is just as non-creative, and not being able to listen at all. tx, and i hope it might help. |
tashman
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Username: tashman
Post Number: 5
Registered: 1-2007
Posted From: 195.93.21.134
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Austrianoak,
i once went through the same thing you're going through but once i heard this quote "its not the music itself that matters, but how react to it" so do not worry about it and if you talk to someone godly im sure that they'll tell you the same thing |
