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     dennis smioth (209.30.195.46) |
RE: A Sinning Brother How can a Pentecostal church member justify selling alcohol and then come to church? He can’t. Al Biernat (owner of a restaurant at 4217 oak lawn in Dallas, 214-219-2201) member of Dallas First Church does just that. He says that if people indulge in alcohol then it’s their fault if they die. Al Bundy the serial killer said that pornography fueled his appetite for killing. Do the sellers of pornography have no responsibility in this? How can I explain to my children that this is acceptable in the sight of God? I can’t and I couldn’t. Now they think it’s OK to drink. We tried to talk to Pastor Foster (214-339-5209, 972-296-3273) but he would not hear. We approached him as the Bible says to do so--both of the men. They would not hear. Please help. Please call and voice your opinion. Al Beirnat contributed a lot of money to the new sanctuary and that’s the root of the problem. This is blood money and comes from taking the food out of the mouths of the children of alcoholics. Please, please help us before there is a church split. Concerned . Dennis Please call these two men and share the Word of God. Please email me and express your opinions and give support. God bless you. | ||
| Anonymous (68.119.47.6) |
GOD'S WORD teaches if a brother be overtaken in a fault that the ones who are spiritual should help him get restored why dont they do this | ||
| Anonymous (69.41.129.6) |
We were in the UPC and UPCI for 16 years, until we ran our own ministry in Ogden, UT. We are no longer UPC, we left her (upc) harlot church, not God! The UPC does teach another gospel, the gospel of man not the gospel of grace as taught by Jesus Himself. Nor do they love as God commamded us to love, their love is shallow like their teaching of men and man made false by-laws of an outward dress sign! No one can stand long when their whole foundation is built upon sand. Matthew 7:22 - Many will say to me on that day, `Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and in your name drive out demons and perform many miracles?' Jesus Christ will profess unto them, that He never knew them! Go away from me, you that have labored and toiled at avoiding the law of faith. (Rom. 3:27, Hos. 11:6).You that have ignored His instructions, and went about to establish their own righteousness. The thing one must seriously ask one self, is what did they do to get themselves into this kind of a position? What kind of person would get this kind of response from the Lord? See Jesus never denied their claims above, the fact that Jesus does not denied them tell us they spoke the truth on these matter. Yet something was wrong, something was missing, and the Lord declares unto them: "I never knew you! Depart from me, you that work iniquity!� These are believer in Jesus they are not backsliders or the lost these are people who claimed to have the truth. But yet they were found lacking! What was lacking was Agape, they did not love as He loved them. Without love we are none of His, without love we shall not see God. Matt 7:21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. (KJV) Matthew 7:21 The sense of this verse seems to be this; No person, by merely acknowledging my authority, believing in the Divinity of my nature, professing faith in the perfection of my righteousness, and infinite merit of my atonement, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven-- shall have any part with God in glory; but he who doeth the will of my Father ( Agape) he who gets the bad tree rooted up, the good tree planted, and continues to bring forth fruit (Agape) to the glory and praise of God. The whole bible about perfect love, Agape. We are told to love we are commanded by Jesus to love. Two Great Commandments Deuteronomy 6:4,5 Hear O Israel: The Lord our God, the Lord is one! You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, with all your soul, and with all your might. Leviticus 19:18 You shall not take vengeance, nor bear any grudge against the children of your people, but you shall love your neighbor as yourself; I am the Lord. Mark 12:30,31 Jesus answered him, "The first of all the commandments is: 'Hear O Israel, the Lord our God, the Lord is one. And you shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, with all your soul, with all your mind, and with all your strength.' This is the first commandment. And the second, like it, is this: 'You shall love your neighbor as yourself.' There is no other commandment greater than these." From the Word people learn that all doctrine is based on these two commandments, that the Lord is to be loved above everything else, and the neighbor as themselves. When these two commandments are the end in view the Word is in that case opened up, for all the Law and all the Prophets, that is, the whole of the Word, hangs on them, as does everything from them, and so everything has reference to them. And being in that case governed by the primary teachings concerning truth and good people receive light in each particular thing they see in the Word. For the Lord is present with them at that time by means of angels and is teaching them even though they are not directly aware of it, and is also guiding them into the life of truth and good. I do not believe we are to remain in the same place where we began with God, we are to grow in our walk and knowledge of Him and His word, but most of all His love. My sheep die due to lack of knowledge. Peter, will you tend my sheep? Or better yet, Peter do you agape my sheep? He said to him the third time, "Simon, {son} of John, do you love Me?" Peter was grieved because He said to him the third time, "Do you love Me?" And he said to Him, "Lord, You know all things; You know that I love You." Jesus said to him, "Tend My sheep. "Peter was grieved because Jesus said unto him the third time. . . ." He was awakening to the fact that the truth of his heart, Peter did not Agape Jesus, and he began to see what the patient questioning meant. Peter do you Agape me? There was not the slightest strand of delusion left in Peter's mind, he never could be deluded again. There was no room for passionate utterance, no room for exhilaration or sentiment. It was a revelation to him to realize how much he did not Agape the Lord, and with amazement he said - "Lord, Thou knowest all things." Peter began to see he did love as Jesus loved us. But he did not say - "Look at this or that to confirm it." Peter was beginning to discover to himself how much he did not love the Lord, that there was no one in heaven above or upon earth beneath beside Jesus Christ; but he did not know it until the probing, hurting questions of the Lord came. The Lord's questions always reveal our heart and it�s true condition. The patient directness and skill of Jesus Christ with Peter! Our Lord never asks questions until the right time. Rarely, but probably once, He will get us into a corner where He will hurt us with His undeviating questions, and we will realize that we do not love Him, or other�s as He Agape us. See love is the hardest thing to do, dressing the outward man is easy and God knows this, that why God hated it so. God wants a heart change, and yes it will show on the outward man but it�s a far cry from a wardrobe change. http://p212.ezboard.com/bexpentecostalforums | ||
| steve wesley (68.119.202.252) |
i beleive in what THE BIBLE says and that is if it is a brother... if one is truly saved then hekp him when he is overtaken in a spirtual fault | ||
| R. Shuster (69.41.129.32) |
I no longer hold to the UPC false teaching. They are a harlot church. We do come to a place in our walk with God where we no longer are a slave to this flesh or UPC, we overcome it just as Jesus overcame temptation. Once the heart is truly regenerated by God’s perfect agape, Jesus. The word of God tells us there is a way that leads into everlasting life, we’re also told there’s a path we must take, but few who find it and few will take it. You can find this path in Psalms 23:4 “Ye though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death (rebirth canal),” this valley of self death. We’re also given tools to make this journey, “thou art with me, thy rod and thy staff” (the Holy Ghost). Jesus also prepared a table before me, to sup with me at the end of this long journey through the valley of self death. He has a gift, regeneration of a heart, a perfect agape of God, Jesus. I personally believe a person will have a hard time entering into this valley of self death while sitting in the confines of the UPC church. Sadly, the UPC church has become a handicap to the birthing process of regeneration that leadeth us unto everlasting life. There’s too much emphasis on perfecting the outward man and the inner heart is severely neglected, and this is where God wants to be, this is where His desire is to dwell. The UPC church in itself has missed the mark to what true regeneration is and what it’s for. Man has stepped in and put the cart before the horse, spiritual order was never allowed to take place; they the (UPC) ponder why it is they can’t seem to overcome their wicked state. The truth be, regeneration has not been allowed to take place. 1. Regeneration never took place at the beginning of our walk, it takes place at the end of the valley of self death. 2. When you receive the holy ghost (the rod and staff) our comforter, these are to lead you to Jesus, they are a compass during your time in the rebirthing process (the valley). You do not yet possess Jesus, your heart has not yet truly regenerated, it’s still in a wicked state. 3. Yes, this is to take place while you’re yet still alive. The Holy Ghost will supernaturally move you down this birthing process, it is very painful like any birth and does not happen overnight. You’ll have moments of relief, just like child birth (a breather) then the process begins again, more pain to move you forward to the goal, everlasting life in Jesus; whose waiting to receive you at the end of this birthing process of self death. 4. You’ll be given your own cross to carry through the valley. The valley is tight and narrow like the birthing canal, some places you’ll actually be crawling. You’ll not be able to turn around because the birthing process only brings forth life. To turn back would be certain death. This cross of yours will be heavy, the weight of pride, lust, etc will be upon it. Just like our Jesus, who was made to carry the sins of the world upon His shoulders through the valley of death that day, we too are called to carry our own sins through this valley of self death. 5. The birthing process is long, it takes years to complete, it does not happen overnight. You are in the birthing process of self death, you are slowly dying, you’re being refined. Your heart is being made ready for regeneration. You’re dying out to self. 6. During this time, God will reveal your true heart condition and the condition of mankind. You’ll learn you do not love, nor do you agape as God agaped us. During this revelation of your true heart condition, there will be a lot of pain, you will fight God to the end, you’ll be angry you’ve been accused of not loving. Your heart will be shattered and broken before our Lord and Savior, you’ll see just how wicked your inner heart is. 7. Once you finally reach this end to the valley of self death, Jesus will be waiting for you. Jesus will fill that void that was taken away during the fall of man. He will replace the wicked heart with it’s false love and replace it with His true agape. 8. Jesus will ask you like He asked Peter that day, do you love me? Why yes Lord, I love you. Then Jesus will ask us again, then tend my sheep. And then He’ll ask again, do you agape me? Then like Peter it becomes very clear to you, and you’ll realize you love, but you do not agape love. And you’ll say, you are right Lord, I do not agape you, or my fellow man. Jesus will then offer Himself to you, the void within your holy of holies, the great throne we all sit upon within ourselves of the inner heart, the place where we become judge, executioner, this is a place where the true us resides. Jesus will remove us from this place and take up His rightful place upon our inner heart, the throne. 9. Jesus Christ, our Lord and Savior, God’s perfect image of agape will now fill the void within your inner heart. You are now regenerated. You are now changed by God’s grace, He allows you to die to self yet while you’re still alive. By your own faith, you find Him, not by works, for the comforter, our rod and staff which lead us unto perfect agape, Jesus. Jesus is now our advocate before God, the go-betweener, He now speaks for us, He is the mentor between man and God. Our petitions can now be made known. If we obey and take up our own cross and walk the valley unto self death, only then will Jesus ask you to enter in, and you’ll be found faithful servant and sup with me. And you’ll no longer be a slave to this flesh. Jesus now resides within us, the fullness of the kingdom is within us bodily. We no longer see sin with the natural eye, we now see it through His, the glass is no longer seen through darkly. You’ll see what has always been missing, you’ll see the void in the person’s life and you’ll see what Jesus saw, the lacking of agape. We’ve been changed in the twinkle of an eye, the heart that was void of agape now has Jesus, the perfect agape. God’s perfect love, Jesus. If you allow God to lead you to self death, you’ll never be the same. See, the truth is, we are unable to agape. Jesus became our agape, this allowed us to enter into God’s rest. You now have God, there is no condmenation to those who are found in God's love. I want to make it very clear, repentence and the enfilling of the Holy Ghost are not the same as regeneration of the heart unto Jesus. Repentence and the enfilling of the Holy Ghost is the mode of transportation that will transport you into the valley of death. Regeneration of the heart is brought about by Jesus Christ who is at the end of the valley of death which bridges the gap between God and man, perfect agape love. Repentence has never brought instant regeneration, your heart could not withstand such an operation ( it's true condtion and how wicked you really are would scare you to death). Regeneration takes years and the Holy Ghost prepares the heart for that task, you die daily unto self, to meet it's maker while you're yet still alive.  My sheep die due to lack of knowledge. Peter, will you tend my sheep? Or better yet, Peter do you agape my sheep? He said to him the third time, "Simon, {son} of John, do you love Me?" Peter was grieved because He said to him the third time, "Do you love Me?" And he said to Him, "Lord, You know all things; You know that I love You." Jesus said to him, "Tend My sheep. "Peter was grieved because Jesus said unto him the third time. . . ." He was awakening to the fact that the truth of his heart, Peter did not Agape Jesus, and he began to see what the patient questioning meant. Peter do you Agape me? There was not the slightest strand of delusion left in Peter's mind, he never could be deluded again. There was no room for passionate utterance, no room for exhilaration or sentiment. It was a revelation to him to realize how much he did not Agape the Lord, and with amazement he said - "Lord, Thou knowest all things." Peter began to see he loved, but not as Jesus loved us (Agape). But he did not say - "Look at this or that to confirm it." Peter was beginning to discover to himself how much he did not love (agape) the Lord, that there was no one in heaven above or upon earth beneath beside Jesus Christ; but he did not know it until the probing, hurting questions of the Lord came. The Lord's questions always reveal our heart and it’s true condition, we don not (Agape). The patient directness and skill of Jesus Christ with Peter! Our Lord never asks questions until the right time. Rarely, but probably once, He will get us into a corner where He will hurt us with His undeviating questions, and we will realize that we do not love Him, or other’s as He Agape us. See love is the hardest thing to do, dressing the outward man is easy and God knows this, that why God hated it so. God wants a heart change, and yes it will show on the outward man but it’s a far cry from a wardrobe change. Matthew 7:22 - Many will say to me on that day, `Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and in your name drive out demons and perform many miracles?' Jesus Christ will profess unto them, that He never knew them! Go away from me, you that have labored and toiled at avoiding the law of faith. (Rom. 3:27, Hos. 11:6).You that have ignored His instructions, and went about to establish their own righteousness. The thing one must seriously ask one self, is what did they do to get themselves into this kind of a position? What kind of person would get this kind of response from the Lord? See Jesus never denied their claims above, the fact that Jesus does not denied them tell us they spoke the truth on these matter. Yet something was wrong, something was missing, and the Lord declares unto them: "I never knew you! Depart from me, you that work iniquity!” These are believer in Jesus they are not backsliders or the lost these are people who claimed to have the truth. But yet they were found lacking! What was lacking was Agape, they did not love as He loved them. Without love we are none of His, without love we shall not see God. Matt 7:21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. (KJV) Matthew 7:21 The sense of this verse seems to be this; No person, by merely acknowledging my authority, believing in the Divinity of my nature, professing faith in the perfection of my righteousness, and infinite merit of my atonement, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven-- shall have any part with God in glory; but he who doeth the will of my Father, die unto self through valley of death and find ( Agape), Jesus. He who gets the bad tree rooted up (self), the good tree planted, and continues to bring forth fruit (Agape) to the glory and praise of God. The whole bible about perfect love, Agape. We are told to love we are commanded by Jesus to love. Two Great Commandments Deuteronomy 6:4,5 Hear O Israel: The Lord our God, the Lord is one! You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, with all your soul, and with all your might. Leviticus 19:18 You shall not take vengeance, nor bear any grudge against the children of your people, but you shall love your neighbor as yourself; I am the Lord. Mark 12:30,31 Jesus answered him, "The first of all the commandments is: 'Hear O Israel, the Lord our God, the Lord is one. And you shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, with all your soul, with all your mind, and with all your strength.' This is the first commandment. And the second, like it, is this: 'You shall love your neighbor as yourself.' There is no other commandment greater than these." From the Word people learn that all doctrine is based on these two commandments, that the Lord is to be loved above everything else, and the neighbor as themselves. When these two commandments are the end in view the Word is in that case opened up, for all the Law and all the Prophets, that is, the whole of the Word, hangs on them, as does everything from them, and so everything has reference to them. And being in that case governed by the primary teachings concerning truth and good people receive light in each particular thing they see in the Word. For the Lord is present with them at that time by means of angels and is teaching them even though they are not directly aware of it, and is also guiding them into the life of truth and good. God Bless~ R. Shuster Copyright ©2004 | ||
| robert (134.68.175.169) |
http://www.geocities.com/ministryofdreams/ end time visions and dreams from Jesus | ||
| Anonymous (69.41.129.210) |
"oneness" Church a Cult & Threat to Christianity! http://www.celticpandc.com/warning-united.pentacostal.html This church is also plagued with various legalistic doctrines to which members MUST adhere. This is done in order for the members of the Church to Judge them as Christian in GOOD STANDING and be even considered a Christian. One of these I find totally out of place in the Church today and the note that women are "a lesser vessel."Many of these standards have also been developed only since the early 1900's .i.e. You are not a Christian if you do not Speak in Tongues, Women must wear their hair Long and no Jewellery and makeup. They teach that unless you're baptized using the correct formula....theirs!....you're not really saved. One must ask the pastor for almost anything and any decision in life. (many of these things verge on the thinking of a Cult-I dare say that the Bible and Jesus never made specific clothing and the way you wear your hair a demand. This conforming to what everyone else is doing in the church is DANGEROUS.)I must ask that the person think that only our God has a right to Judge us as Christian or not! To be a Christian must one check their brain at the door of the church? The UPCI thinks so! (they are false teachers and prey on the human nature of man!.)...How? Answer: The apostle Peter wrote describing Paul's epistles, "...in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction" (2 Peter 3:16).I believe that there are many individual powerful practices which characterize the methods of deception employed by false teachers. The twisting of Scripture is universal among them. Few, if any, people go into a cult or aberrant religious movement by reading the Bible alone! They must have some help from false teachers. These false teachers must come to terms with the authority of Scripture. They deal deceptively with this issue in several ways. (the UPCI fails to see that Jesus himself says that all of his authority comes from the Father and that he is dependent on the Father) For instance, one approach is to give respect to the Bible but teach that it cannot be fully trusted. (this the UPCI does in taking on the King James Version of the Bible which is a Transliteration of the Bible not a direct translation. They brush off versions like the RSV which is a translation as it was written according to them by "liberals." So far I have not seen the reason they are liberals! They feel that the K.J. VERSION is the only one that supports their position on the church and all outside extra-Biblical study and Creeds are just that of men and are not to be studied. They miss quote scholars etc.) ,They teach for example that books must have been lost or that texts were altered.(the UPCI feels that the resurrection story as told by the Gospel and the great commission to go out and Baptize in the name of the Father, Son and Holy Ghost was added scripture) Bible verse is sprinkled liberally in the books to make it appear that the student is studying the Bible. The result is that the Bible is really only being used as a reference book. One can make the Bible prove anything used in this manner. This approach is typical of the Society of Jehovah's Witnesses.The Bible warns about these tactics as Paul compares his true ministry to the false apostles', "But have renounced the hidden things of dishonesty, not walking in craftiness, nor handling the word of God deceitfully..." (2 Corinthians 4:2). Describing the methods and motives of the false prophets and teachers, Peter says that,"many shall follow their pernicious ways; by reason of whom the way of truth shall be evil spoken of. And through covetousness shall they with feigned words make merchandise of you..." (2 Peter 2:2-3). How does this happen? I believe the average church member is conditioned for it. Rather than follow God's direction and "Study to show thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth" (2 Timothy 2:15), the average Christian's approach is to expect others to teach them. This leaves the door open to a false leader to by use of orthodox wrapping have a gift of the word inside that is no longer holding to scripture, but that of the opinion of the leader or others. Sometimes this comes from reading the Bible in a literal sense in modern thought rather than consulting what it meant in 1st Century thought. Additionally, there has been of a lack of emphasis on teaching sound, foundational doctrine in the church. Again, God warns His church concerning this (Ephesians 4:11-15; Colossians 2:6-7). Christians must learn to feed themselves as well as give attention to the sound, established, systematic doctrine that has stood the test of time and solid scholarship. (The Orthodox church has withstood the test of time! (The UPCI contend that they are the only ones that are going to heaven-Do you not see something wrong here?) The UPCI counts on the fact that most Christians are not familiar with Greek and Hebrew nor the way to study the Scriptures with objective study helps They do not feel that they should directly look at the words in terms of the period they were spoken but it is right to translate them for today directly.(they even come to the aide of this by officially prohibiting their followers from reading books by scholars that have studied the Bible.) Many do not even read a whole book in the Bible through for its intended context. Therefore, when a false teacher comes with a plausible argument and presents what appears to be a scholarly approach, the novice is impressed. (This to me is a form of Brainwashing in that they have captured the disciple with somewhat orthodox teaching and then the disciple does not any longer question what is stated.) They also use this to say that you will not be happy or have salvation if you leave this church. They will shun you at the store or on the street. It is a way of playing with your mind. They make you feel that they are the only way that the sins they concentrate on are able to be forgiven is if you remain in the cult. They thus twist Scripture through pseudo-scholarship, by deleting and inserting words, by focusing on texts out-of context, and by employing collapsing contexts (unrelated verses put together to say something different).I encourage the Christian to become a student of God's word. The truth of God's Word working with the illuminating and empowering Holy Spirit transforms the Christian into how he is intended to experience life, being conformed to His image.Jesus prayed "Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth" (John 17:17). | ||
| Anonymous (24.70.178.211) |
Is anyone familiar with the name PASTOR CHARLES ROBERTS? IF so please post any info you can as he has taken my daughter from me and I am so broken. Take care of you and yours | ||
| dead2self (dead2self) New member Username: dead2self Post Number: 2 Registered: 1-2005 Posted From: 65.4.144.45 |
I stumbled across this sight after typing in UPCI youth activitys in the search bar and just wept after reading a few entries. I am one of those mindless brainwashed females of which many have spoken of through out this sight. But hey you bash all of us poor indoctrinated, helpless women for our good and in love of course right? Let me just inform you that no man forces or degrades me and causes me to dress anyway or belief anyway. It's not brainwashing but something deep inside that was not uncommon long ago, a thing called conviction. I read GOD's word, seek understanding from my precious Savior and pray each day. I do not condemn others without convictions and yet they condemn me for having convictions. I will not be intimidated by others who mock and ridicule for instance my uncut hair (it's not about length by the way) for I do this with conviction. Go to any given mall and you will see purple mow hawks, green spiked hair and stars shaved into scalps... and yet uncut hair to you is cultic and offensive. I fail to understand the logic here. Let's move on to the way I dress. I wear dresses and skirts below the knees. Oh my what a shock and poor me right? Look at your history. My Grandmother who had no belief in God wore the same, as did women in the 30's and 40's. Back then a woman wearing pants was unheard of. But apart from that why does it bother you that I desire to please my LORD in this way? This is my conviction from what I read in the word of God. I read that it was an abomination to God for a woman to wear that which pertaineth to a man. In the society I live in that meant to me that GOD wanted me to wear something not pertaining to a man and pants are from history's stand point in the USA considered men's attire. I am not asking you to share my convictions only asking that you treat me as you would wish to be treated. As for the terrible UPCI church of which you speak, let me just say the UPCI is only the ship I ride in and if they sould ever stray from the written word of GOD, I would jump ship and find another church that holds true to Gods word. As to wide spread child abuse. OH MY! If raising children to have strong convictions, morals and good manners is abuse I am guilty of your claims. I raised a beautiful daughter in the UPCI who was taught the word of God and shares many of my convictions. But some convictions she has alone that I do not share. She was not raised with a TV, never attended movies, and yet the poor deprived child graduated high school early with a 4.0, attends Bible college with a 4.0, works in soup kitchens feeding the homeless, works in Jesus houses with underprivileged children, goes to a nursing home on Sunday afternoons, and everyone who meets her never forgets her love for people or her love for her GOD. She is just beautiful within and without. Many young men desire her hand and have courted her and yet she has never been kissed or knew a man before taking her vows. You say poor her but I believe our GOD looks down and is pleased with a young lady who is willing to die out to herself and please her GOD above herself and men. I have a Son also, he is happily married, attends bible college, has given his life to the work of GOD, works with troubled teens, and preaches under the anointing power of GOD. When he was little he would not hit others who hit him because he said, "Mama I just don't want to hurt anyone." He is humble and giving. He does not wear certain clothing or jewelry or watch TV because of his convictions, yet he would never bash or look down on the teens he works with who have holes in many parts of their bodies and who come to him with minds filled with terrible images from Hollywood and hearts broken from troubled homes riddled with abuse.He chooses rather to show them compassion and love. You want to bash the UPCI as a whole and every person in the UPCI church's and then scream love love love at the same time. All I can figure is that when you call the UPCI a cult you must not truly know the church I came to love 20 yrs ago. Every denomination has it's faults a failures and they all have people who attend who really just don't take living for God serious and hurt others. I have a sister-in-law who is in the Baptist faith and yet as a child she was molested by a Baptist minister. There are people in all faiths who just hurt others and care only for themselves. Let's stop the blame game if you have been hurt in a UPCI church. You are throwing out the baby with the bath water and that's ludicrous. I have been in the UPC church for over 20 years and my life has been so very rewarding. Yes I've been hurt before but I get up and seek GOD for understanding and let Him fight my battles. Morning, noon and night I weep for souls and pray. I am not perfect , abused or brainwashed, I am just totally sold out to JESUS the lover of my soul. Pleasing Him means more to me then what anyone thinks of me in this world. I know God is real because he has healed me and my children so many times. When we went to our doctor and he gave no cure or hope, JESUS offered me what the doctor could not.Yes I go to doctors but where they failed me JESUS never has. Doctors can only do so much. Back to convictions... after what JESUS did for me anything He opens up to me in His word and ask out of me would never be to much to ask . This world calls my convictions bondage how far from the truth. What a claim for a world to make, they do so to cover up the terrible bondage they really offer. In JESUS I found true freedom. Freedom to choose. Unlike this world that made me feel I had to dress this way or that way to be accepted, unlike the world that enslaved me in addictions and convinced me that to be female I had to deck myself in jewels, paint my face and walk around half naked in order to be attractive. JESUS offered me true beautiful from the inside out. I no longer have to wear a mask. I'm happy and free. Some of you here slander me, the church I attend and my family with your letters. You speak of horrible things but let me speak of the good you over look because of just a few bad apples in a big barrel of good. I am the proud Mama of a very beautiful, 19 year old daughter, raised to love JESUS and people. This poor little abused child had no TV growing up, wore dresses, no make up and read good literature because of her own convictions, went to Africa on missions at age 16, London with AP Lit glass at age 15, graduated high school early at age 17 with a 4.0, attends bible college with a 4.0, on Saturday feeds the hungry in soup kitchens, on Fridays helps at Jesus houses with underprivileged kids, on Sunday ministers to the elderly in a nursing home and everyone she comes in contact with sees JESUS alive in her. Her time and efferts are spent on the people you say she looks down on. Her actions are enough to discredit your claims. I also have a son who attends bible college, ministers to troubled teens, is happily married and as a little boy after being asked why he didn't hit two boys back who hurt him said, "Mama I just don't want to hurt anyone." He is humble and giving. Both my kids spend their lives unselfishly for others so that bitter self centered people can come on a message board and bash them. While they are out loving a hurting world and doing something to show the love of GOD to others you have nothing better to do then to sit behind a screen and speak bitter words of hate. Ridicule me and my faith if you choose but I ask you how many Mamas today can say they have children who love others and give their lives to show them the love of JESUS. When you give as much of your life to the work of God and to others as these two brainwashed young people who were raised in the UPC church do then you won't have time for this banter. You speak of hateful things but most of what you speak is untrue. Many people in the UPCI are so very happy, love God, study his word, try earnestly to live above reproach and love souls above themselves. I do not judge those who own TVs, women who wear pants, make up or jewelry. On the other hand many do judge me for not having a TV, for wearing a dress and for my convictions. I think people just need to stop this pointless finger pointing, die out to the flesh and live for GOD. Most of what I read here is so very self centered. Dead men can't be offered by anything another does, let's do a little dying out to ourselves. MT 10:39 I am sorry if I sound angry, I am not. I solely wanted to express that things are not always what they seem. Every church you do not personally agree with is not wrong or a cult. If you were wronged by someone the bible teach you sould love those who hurt you and to pray for those who despitefully use you. That is putting GOD and others above self. When you can do that you are truly dead to the flesh yet alive in Christ. Now that I've said all that, I can get back to surfing pages again for youth activity ideas. My husband and I take time out to love young ladies and young men and teach them morals and values in hopes that they will become people who love GOD and others above themselves. We show them according to GOD's word that they can be free from the bondage of this world. Free from drugs, alcohol, premarital sex and the pain of broken homes and lives through the power of the Holy Ghost. You call the UPCI a cult but I came to know this faith as a place where one can go and know true freedom. After 20 years living a selfless life it just gets sweeter and sweeter as the days roll by. Our GOD is so GOOD! | ||
| rc_preston (rc_preston) New member Username: rc_preston Post Number: 2 Registered: 2-2005 Posted From: 24.147.33.80 |
Could someone show me in the bible where it says no drinking alcohol. Or even better, where does say, no serving alcohol. I will save you the trouble ... you can't find it. You misinterpret "strong drink is raging" Christ served wine. Christ turned water into wine ... not grape juice. Our "brother" at the top of this thread is just fine to own a restaurant. He does not break the law. All is well with him. It is yourself you should be concerned about. Btw - the bible does call drunkenness a sin. But never alcohol in and of itself. What angered Christ the most were mote-finders. They do not notice the huge beam in their own eye, because they were too busy finding the tiny splinter in anothers'. Grow up. Learn the Bible and enjoy Christ! | ||
| rc_preston (rc_preston) New member Username: rc_preston Post Number: 3 Registered: 2-2005 Posted From: 24.147.33.80 |
By the way, dennis smioth: the serial murderer you talk about in your post is not Al Bundy, It's Ted Bundy. Al Bundy is the character in the TV sit-com called Married With Children. Watching that show will surely wreak more havoc on our society than the Restaurateur you publicly maligned. Also, for the reason of gossip, your Pastor has the biblical right to throw you out of the church. Note: many of you seem to post willy nilly. You need to find the pertinent place to start your thread, or you won't be heard. | ||
| tico (tico) New member Username: tico Post Number: 2 Registered: 7-2005 Posted From: 65.1.56.93 |
Dennis, It appears very clear from your posting here that you are very jealous and bitter with this brother. From the content of your posting it is very clear that from your heart, you speak out the envy and bitterness at this brother and by posting those people's numbers, hoping that they should be haressed into submitting to what you view as a right way. I see you didn't post your number so the other people could "Help" you see the error of your ways. As the christian you claim to be, you know that what is in the heart is what comes out of the mouth. The veiled threats of a church split over this issue, sounds as if you like causing discord amoung the church, focusing on once again, what you view as the right way things should be run. If you love God the way you claim, why would you want to divide his house? If you were really concerned about living for God and showing your children a godly way of life, then you would not be consumed with bitterness toward this brother, letting your children hear such hateful conversations and see such behavior by a "christian man". I dare say that they are inclined to want to drink because you are so obsessed with it yourself. More than likely you are battling the desire yourself. It might even help you calm down a little, settle the knots in your stomache and bring some peace to your household. You are passing on a destructive trait to your children, for they are alot smarter than you think..If it is not to late then maybe you should be the one repenting, for being so self rightious and envious. By the way, I'm not a member of any church, but can plainly see self rightousness, }Jealousy and envy wrote all over this.. } | ||
| tam (tam) New member Username: tam Post Number: 6 Registered: 8-2005 Posted From: 65.130.72.200 |
To the sister that posted above: Dead 2 Self You go girl, Amen to every thing you have said. I too believe in everything you stated. Praise The Lord! | ||
| antoniouslj (antoniouslj) New member Username: antoniouslj Post Number: 1 Registered: 10-2005 Posted From: 67.67.24.154 |
Its clear that the woman behind the tag "Dead 2 Self" is a tounge-talking, holy-ghost filled prayer warrior. God has apparently blessed her tremendously, and I couldn't see why anyone wouldn't want a life like that? That right there has got to be one of the most moving testimonies I've ever heard. I'm sure she went through her good share of trials and tribulations. But, because she's stuck with Christ through the end he's rewarded her so. That post right there should be cause enough for everyone that reads it to examine his/her life and determine if what they desire is truly what they have. Most people that are of the world or have "back-sliddin" are just searching for something out of life. That above is what your searching for, believe it or not! I grew up in a UPCI based church. In fact, I grew up in a total of 3 different ones! Now, keep in mind that all of them were UPCI affiliated. The first church I attended was from the age of 6 months to about 10 yrs old. When that pastor left and moved to California to start a church, we left and found another church. The pastor that took over the original church was a great guy, but there were things my family didn't agree on completely. The second church was IMHO closer to God than the first and we got more out of the preaching from this second one. We stayed here for about 4 years, until again the pastor left to start a ministry California, lol! The pastor that replaced him was, again, a great guy. But, what was different in this case was the fact that the new pastor started forsaking some of the fundamentals that make us Apostolic. This time we weren't the only family to leave. The third church we came across is the same church we've been in since. The pastor here is a wonderful man who has a very close walk with God. Pastors are one of the most important people in your life. I believe you should have a pastor that respects and supports your beliefs just as much as you respect and support his. Its his responsibilty for you to make it to heaven. That's what God has placed him in that position for. Now, I'll be honest with all of you. I haven't been the best Christian you could be over the past 6 months. In fact, you could say I backslid. I moved in with some guys from work and lived with them for a few months. One of them really had no life and the other was involved in a Christian rock band. Both of the guys were good people, but I felt the entire time that I didn't belong there. There would be nights they'd have parties with alcohol and girls. I've had some rather odd experiences with women that I can't explain except it was God keeping his hand on my life. I drank some beers while I was there and got drunk a little. I realized that this wasn't a very joyful life, I don't know how drunkards live like this. I was extremely miserable. As far as alcohol goes, I feel its wrong moreover than what God's Word says about it. Human nature wants to take everything as far as it can. If you drink and think you can control yourself, you're wrong! Human nature and peer pressure will cause you to want to get drunk. The same thing happens with food. Gluttony is caused from people taking eating to levels too high. Sugar takes control of people and they can't help but eat candybar after candybar! (Believe me, I did it sometimes too!) Seriously take a look at your life and what you've been through. There are bad people in every walk of life no matter if your involved in religion or politics. After tasting what the world is all about, I'll never go back. I have struggles like everyone else. I don't place myself on a pedestal above people that aren't Apostolic, instead I realize everyone's equal. Everyone has an equal chance of getting to heaven. I do what I belive is what God's Word instructes me to do. If someone persecutes the way I believe, I'll defend it like I'd defend my own life. Realistically speaking, I'm actually defending my own soul. I have many friends that are involved in other churches and I pray God has mercy on them at the day of judgement. My friends have had some serious problems that they don't really talk about and pretend that they aren't there. They mask everything with the age old saying "I'm christian and I live right". I totally agree with the regulations the UPCI has placed, as without rules there's chaos and too much room for guessing. I'd rather be safe than sorry. More than anything, I don't want to hear the words, "Depart from me thy worker of iniquity", instead I'd pride in hearing, "Well done, thou good and faithful servant". | ||
| antoniouslj (antoniouslj) New member Username: antoniouslj Post Number: 2 Registered: 10-2005 Posted From: 67.67.24.154 |
By the way, I thought I'd add this point about all the posting by dis-heartened ex-pentecostals. What your "testifying" is useless. You should truly study deeply everything on your own, including the original Greek and Hebrew. You'll find that an "abomination" is something in Gods eyes that doesn't change. I understand that some customs God set in the dispensations during the Old Testament are preposterous now, like the ban over swine and red meat and such. We live in a totally different dispensation and the only rules that should be carried over between dispensations are abominations and commandments. Also, I don't place my soul on some ex-pentecostal that just had a bad experience with either a member in a UPCI church or the man leading it. I agree some pastors are deceiving. They apparently are so clever, they deceived the General Board when being appointed a minister. I'm sure they'll burn in hell, but why should you? Why give God an excuse to condemn you for all eternity? God has everlasting mercy, but as soon as the hammer falls, its over. Why wait and wait, thinking He won't return for a while? He may return tomorrow or next week for all you know! To all of you atheists, what if what everyone's saying is true.. WHAT IF! You are the one's Jesus refers to when he says you ignored me. I'm sure you'll enjoy the soldering heat of hell. The fire and brimstone alone is enough to scare people, or should be. This world has warped peoples minds with so much violence on TV and in movies that hell apparently doesn't scare people anymore. Just dwell on the thought of hell, try to imagine standing in fire for all eternity... (Message edited by antoniouslj on October 05, 2005) | ||
| drumladd (drumladd) Member Username: drumladd Post Number: 92 Registered: 5-2005 Posted From: 198.51.179.254 |
Its his responsibilty for you to make it to heaven. Umm...no. Pastors are not responsible for your salvation (what was that verse about working out your own salvation with fear and trembling). Pastors are responsible to teach and rightly divide the Word, but the decision to act on the Word is solely in the hands of the listener. A pastor can preach his heart out, but if the people don't receive it, he's not gonna pay for it. | ||
| antoniouslj (antoniouslj) New member Username: antoniouslj Post Number: 3 Registered: 10-2005 Posted From: 67.67.24.154 |
True true, but if you don't go to God's House, do you think you can make it to heaven? Who was placed in the position of running God's House? The pastor! Yes, you have to achieve your own salvation, but its his job to teach you how, and to make sure you follow his direction... therefore the weight is on his shoulders. Now, I understand some pastors aren't very good at what they do and people just don't listen to them. This is , in my opinion, mainly because God probably didn't call them to be a minister or they just don't have a close relationship with Him. If pastor's do the work that God calls them to do, everything will work out in the end. People will listen to the pastor as long as he remains close to God. Its worked that way since the church was first started in the book of Acts. | ||
| ihavesinned (ihavesinned) Intermediate Member Username: ihavesinned Post Number: 451 Registered: 9-2005 Posted From: 71.112.180.149 |
Dennis, You are a real shitbird. Since you clearly can't think for yourself I'll do it for you. First of all , you don't post people's phone numbers on the internet, that's just being an •••••••. Second, Porn is the #1 use of the internet, by far. If porn caused people to become serial killers, everybody in America would be dead. By your logic, if Jeffrey Daumer confessed that God told me to kill, then we'd have to outlaw religion? Remember prohibition? It didn't work, and it made the mafia rich. Third, your kids probably already look at porn, and it sounds like you need a drink. And finally, Jesus' first (and greatest) miracle was making wine out of water. Are you suggesting he was a bad guy and was promoting debauchery and violence? Why don't you put up your own phone number so we can call and tell you what a turd you are. | ||
| am2 (am2) Junior Member Username: am2 Post Number: 48 Registered: 10-2005 Posted From: 137.3.122.49 |
Ihavesinned, how do you know so much about politics and religion? Where did you study? | ||
| ihavesinned (ihavesinned) Intermediate Member Username: ihavesinned Post Number: 469 Registered: 9-2005 Posted From: 71.112.180.149 |
I didn't study, I just make a lucky guess here and there. Am I wrong about this guy? Putting his pastor's phone number up on this board..how does he know I won't call the guy? Maybe the pastor will get pi$$ed and give me Dennis' number. | ||
| arron (arron) Advanced Member Username: arron Post Number: 674 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 66.169.8.34 |
hey turtle... you and i are famous according to not | ||
| arron (arron) Advanced Member Username: arron Post Number: 703 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 66.169.8.34 |
not where have i preyed on you or any one else i have simply stated my beliefs . you how ever have condemned all to hell because we belive in the pentecostl faith. | ||
| arron (arron) Advanced Member Username: arron Post Number: 808 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 66.169.8.34 |
we had a brother in our CHURCH who sinned at the place where he worked he took some money they were about to send him to prison but he paid it back. he had to go to work at another place but he stopped that and seems to be doing alright at theis time. some times we have to wait and see then pass on what to do with them as far as the CHURCH is conerned | ||
| arron (arron) Senior Member Username: arron Post Number: 1069 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 68.119.32.209 |
we did not have to do anything as the brother repented and thye let him pay it back and he did not have to go to jail, for which i am thankful as he has a wife and a small child. but if he does it again well that is something we will have to wait and see |
