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     strongapostolic New member Username: strongapostolic Post Number: 12 Registered: 1-2006 Posted From: 216.93.197.156 |
So, If I have this Correct, we can all obtain the status of "god"? and that there has been other earths before this Earth or Planet that others have obtain the status of god? Please correct me in my thinking. | ||
| godchild Senior Member Username: godchild Post Number: 2699 Registered: 1-2005 Posted From: 4.255.41.219 |
If you don't believe me go to the source jd/norstar gave. The same book I have is there also. The more you get into the mormon fairytale, the wilder it gets. (2)prophet Brigham Young said there were little men living on the moon; described them right down to their clothes, but they were 'smaller in stature' than we earthlings. Mormons do not believe in the Trinity. They believe God and Jesus have bodies of flesh and bone, although gloried bodies. God had a wife (guess he still does cause their marrying is for eternity). God was Jesus and Lucifer's Father, and Jesus was married on earth because that's part of the deal in getting into the mormon celestial kingdom. Most mormons don't worry too much about it. There are 3 main kingdoms of heaven, and minor ones in between. The celestial, you get to have all your wives, be a god, etcetera, and be able to see God and Jesus, (two, not One). The next, terrestial, you get to see Jesus but not God and can never go to the celestial for visits. (Only the celestial can go wherever they want). You can't be a god there. But you can go down and visit your family and friends in the telestial, where pretty much everyone else will be. Those guys are really going to suffer; no multiple wives, no seeing God or Christ, can't travel to the other kingdoms, blah, blah, blah. And the beat goes on............It's all about works. The harder you work for the church, the better chance to get the big prize. | ||
| strongapostolic New member Username: strongapostolic Post Number: 14 Registered: 1-2006 Posted From: 216.93.197.156 |
hehe ok got it. One more things, so the harder you work in the Church, the Further you can advance and have as many wives are you can handle, we just say 72, seems like that is the number that works well with others. Ok, then what happens to People of Black hertiage? Aren't they cursed or something like that? What do they get while they are in Heaven or do they even make it there? | ||
| godchild Senior Member Username: godchild Post Number: 2711 Registered: 1-2005 Posted From: 4.255.43.214 |
The first mormon apostle 'prophets' joe smith and brigham young and others said the blacks were a mongrel race (the black skin being the mark of Cain) and would never hold the priesthood and would only be in heaven under servitude to the gods. Right around the time college basketball, football, etc., became so popular (I'm sure you've heard of the mormon BYU, named after Brigham Young), the prophet at that time 'received new revelation stating that blacks could now hold the priesthood. Go figure! When Steve Young was a pick for San Francisco football team (after Joe Montana), mormons the world over became SF fans. To my knowledge my Mom had never watched a football game, but boy did she love Steve. Steve Young is mormon. One of the favorite shows of mormons was (coincidentally) the Donnie and Marie Show. Marie even made a grand entrance in our small town in Alaska. You'd have thought the President had arrived. (Lot's of mormons in that town.)Mormons love to 'hold them up' as models of good Christian living, according to mormonism, of course. | ||
| godchild Senior Member Username: godchild Post Number: 2712 Registered: 1-2005 Posted From: 4.255.43.214 |
But then again, if the Mark (you remember the guy in the news that married his pregnant wife and dumped her in a landfill when she found out his whole life was a big, fat lie) or M.Hoffman, who embezzled over $300,000 thousand from the Mormon church with fake documents and placed bombs to murder a man and woman who were part of exposing him, both hoffman and the other Mark being mormons in good standing with the church); mormons will be quick to point out every church has people like this, which is true, of course. | ||
| godchild Senior Member Username: godchild Post Number: 2713 Registered: 1-2005 Posted From: 4.255.43.214 |
But then again, if the Mark (you remember the guy in the news that murdered his pregnant wife and dumped her in a landfill when she found out his whole life was a big, fat lie) or M.Hoffman, who embezzled over $300,000 thousand from the Mormon church with fake documents and placed bombs to murder a man and woman who were part of exposing him, both hoffman and the other Mark being mormons in good standing with the church); mormons will be quick to point out every church has people like this, which is true, of course, but hard on poor mormons who want to have a beer once in awhile or a cigarette and still want to be a god or goddess. | ||
| godchild Senior Member Username: godchild Post Number: 2714 Registered: 1-2005 Posted From: 4.255.43.214 |
I apologise to any mormons if I sound crass, but it's the only way I can keep from pulling my hair out when dealing with my mormon family members, (trying to find humor in something so deplorable). | ||
| strongapostle New member Username: strongapostle Post Number: 2 Registered: 3-2006 Posted From: 216.93.197.156 |
Oh Steve Young, I have been to the Mormon Church he attend when he played for the 49er's. I used to work at the 49er's camp that was held where I lived in rocklin, ca. Ahh yester years. But Godchild, really do apprecaite the info. I just want to make sure I have all information correct. | ||
| godchild Senior Member Username: godchild Post Number: 2724 Registered: 1-2005 Posted From: 4.255.43.214 |
I have been doing research for many years, but you don't have to take my word for it. You may want to read more of the threads here to get an idea of what mormons believe and what they are willing to share or admit. We are having great discussions about this and other cults at cultbusters.com.au. Love to see you there. It's more quiet and peaceful, though I do enjoy factnet as it is better known and has a larger number of differing opinions. | ||
| strongapostle New member Username: strongapostle Post Number: 7 Registered: 3-2006 Posted From: 216.93.197.156 |
cool will check it out. If you don't mind me asking, where do you stand Faith wise? | ||
| godchild Senior Member Username: godchild Post Number: 2737 Registered: 1-2005 Posted From: 4.255.42.143 |
I believe in God the Father, and in His Only Begotten Son, Jesus Christ, and in the Holy Spirit. These are three in purpose but ONE. I believe God is Spirit. I believe the Holy Bible is God-breathed. Jesus, being God, took on human form as fully human, and fully God. I believe Jesus is the Word, and the Word was with God (being God), and is God. I believe the Holy Spirit proceeds from the Father and the Son to indwell those who believe on God's only Begotten Son. I believe Jesus came as a propriation for our sins so that those who believe in Him will have eternal life with Him. I believe the Holy Bible, Old and New Testament, lead to Jesus Christ. Christ is our mediator. I believe that satan was Lucifer who in his desire to be above the Father, was cast out of heaven with one-third of the heavenly angels to follow him. I believe satan is the accuser, the liar and the murderer who lied to Adam and Eve who in disobedience to the Father, were sent from the Garden of Eden. --I need to take a break here. I have been coming down with the flu and need a little rest. If you have any questions, I will be happy to answer if I can. Thank you. I also post with others on Cultbusters.com.au. The format there is smaller, which is just my cup of tea. I believe that God has placed me here for His purposes, not because I am without sin, but because as learn to fully trust Him, He has allowed His Holy Spirit to work through me for His glory. I believe that all men have sinned, and will sin, but God is just to forgive because of His agape love for us, His Creation. I am not a member of any group/organization or organized church. I believe that believers are the body of the church. I do not believe that we as human beings can be perfect but that when He who is Perfect comes again, we will be changed from corruptible to incorruptible. I believe that I am a sinner and the only good in me is through His Holy Spirit in me, and not because of any good that I can do. I love God, I praise Him and worship Him because of His mercy to me. | ||
| duggandavid New member Username: duggandavid Post Number: 1 Registered: 3-2006 Posted From: 130.13.82.9 |
It sounds like you believe the words of the New Testament. That’s great, and when Jesus arose from the grave he visited the Apostles. He showed them the scars in his hands and asked them to touch them. Jesus had a physical body just like you and me. That was the same body that rose from the dead, and was missing when Mary visited the tomb. Agreed? So when he returned to Heaven and the Father he spoke of, God, did he just cast off the physical body and put it back in the grave? The Bible says he took it with him when he ascended to Heaven, and has it the same even today. Now that’s an area where the Holy Trinity that you believe in has a problem. Do you know where that belief came from? Will you put yourself back in the ground after Jesus has called you from the grave? The Holy Trinity belief began with the Council of Nicea that convened in 325 AD by the Roman Emperor Constantine. Constantine’s objective had been to clarify various ambiguities within the Christian doctrine as it blossomed into a global religion. During the council, a dispute had arisen between the Alexandrian priest Arius, who believed that God and Christ were separate entities, and the Bishop of Alexandria, Athanasius (later beatified by the Church), who argued for the notion of Homoousion – the doctrine that God and Jesus are of the same substance. The council agreed with Athanasius, and the doctrine of Homoousion was generally adopted. But that wasn’t the end of the matter: The feud continued for several decades, with the rival camps of Arius and Athanasius fighting over the conceptual framework of Christianity. Because of the corrupt and self-interested ministers in the Athanasius camp, the Arian view gradually became outlawed and the official line of the Council of Nicea was adopted by the Roman Catholic Church. This is how the Holy Trinity concept was adopted and people were forced to believe long before the freedom of religion existed. | ||
| godchild Senior Member Username: godchild Post Number: 2738 Registered: 1-2005 Posted From: 4.255.45.208 |
No. Don't twist my words. The Bible tells we came from the dust and will return to the dust. God created Adam from clay (ground). Jesus appeared in a 'glorified body', in fact the disciples didn't first recognise Him. We will be changed in an instant, when He comes again to gather us. Are we not 'touched' spiritually? Jesus was seen by those whose eyes had been opened, and not 'seeing through a glass darkly' (our physical eyes). God is Spirit. God is Love. Can you touch Love? God is Spirit and yet he walked with men in the Old Testament. Jesus said many times, "You require a sign," and yet when they saw him heal and cast out evil spirits, they did not believe who He was. This the why we must worship in "SPIRIT" and in "TRUTH". The creation is evidence of God, and yet most of us don't see that. Let me ask you this; What substance does Spirit have? You have twisted words for your argument. The Spirit is the Holy Spirit, and the Truth is the Word, Jesus Christ. My beliefs have nothing to do with a Catholic, Lutheran, or any other council but God's as given to me in His Word. Without one you cannot have the other. They are ONE! People have even said Jesus and the Apostles were cowards who ran away or hid. How did they escape and why. They escaped by the power of the Holy Spirit and did so because their work was not finished. Some say Jesus never really died. Jesus died and knew He was going to die. He did not want to face death, in fact He prayed to the Father that, "This cup might pass from me, but not My will, but Thine." He sweated great drops of blood because He faced death for us. He was beaten, mocked, spat upon, He was stripped naked in front of His creation, a crown of thorns was placed on His head, a sign mocking him hung above Him "The King of the Jews" but they did not realize even this was a fulfillment of prophesy, and was nailed to the cross and died there for us. Jesus defeated death,(satan) for us. Do not think for one moment he could not have come down from that cross. He bore the pain and death that would come from our sin for us, because it was the Father's Will. "Oh death, where is thy sting?" Do you fear death? I do not fear physical death. God has proven Himself faithful to me. Worship in Spirit and Truth. | ||
| strongapostle New member Username: strongapostle Post Number: 11 Registered: 3-2006 Posted From: 216.93.197.156 |
Ok, understandable, but Jesus wasnt the only person who ascended to Heaven in a bodily form, so what is the problem? Why wouldn't the trinity work if Jesus ascended to heaven in Flesh? " Will you put yourself back in the ground after Jesus has called you from the grave? " And Further explain this for me, not sure what you mean. | ||
| godchild Senior Member Username: godchild Post Number: 2739 Registered: 1-2005 Posted From: 4.255.45.208 |
I have in my possession 8 different versions of the Holy Bible. Only two do not give me the same basics of my faith. The book of mormon by Joseph Smith and the companion bible by E.Bullinger. Even they copied from the original but added to and took away. I worship in Spirit and Truth. All scripture (not false gospel or scripture) is given for inspiration, for correction, for reproof, so that I can share the good news of Jesus Christ with Boldness and confidence by the power of the Holy Spirit who guides and teaches me. This is the freely offered gift to every man. Do not deny me because you do not want it. That is an impossible task. Why? Because you cannot touch it. (Message edited by godchild on March 24, 2006) | ||
| strongapostle New member Username: strongapostle Post Number: 13 Registered: 3-2006 Posted From: 216.93.197.156 |
Hey Godchild, tried the link you had in the other post, didn't work, would you mind emailing it to me, apprecaite all the info *smile* sorry, this is the link that I was talking about cultbusters.com.au strongapostolic@gmail.com (Message edited by strongapostle on March 24, 2006) | ||
| godchild Senior Member Username: godchild Post Number: 2740 Registered: 1-2005 Posted From: 4.255.45.208 |
The graves will open and the "dead in Christ will rise first". Those who remain will be changed in an instant and gathered to be with Him in the air. There is no problem. | ||
| godchild Senior Member Username: godchild Post Number: 2741 Registered: 1-2005 Posted From: 4.255.45.208 |
strong, what link. I will republish it here. We have a place for personal discussion at http://www.cultbusters.com.au so that we don't have to give out our email addresses. Please register there. If you do not have a Bible I will give links to you later for free online Bibles. For a further study of the "rising of Elijah the prophet" in 1 Kings, you can see this with a good explanation at http://www.enduringword.com/commentaries/1202.htm. I don't mind answering questions, but you will receive more from it by reading yourself then we can discuss it if you like. Please pray first for the Spirit to lead you in your search. | ||
| steelsword Advanced Member Username: steelsword Post Number: 505 Registered: 1-2006 Posted From: 207.192.2.34 |
GC , Where does it say Jesus sweated great Drops of Blood? March 24th post 7:05 pm. Remember you play into the Mormon hands when you say this , because they beleive Jesus started the atonement in the Garden when he Sweated Great Drops of Blood. The word says he sweated (as it were ) great drops of Blood. (KJV) It does not say he sweated Great drops of Blood, but that he was sweating profusely (Big beads of Sweat) as it were big drops of Blood. Think about the soldiers who came to get him in the garden , i think these soldiers were members of the sanhedrin. They would of ask why this man Jesus was bloody when they knew they had not laid a hand on him yet. Also the apostles would have been puzzled as well. The blood would have stained his clothes as well. | ||
| steelsword Advanced Member Username: steelsword Post Number: 506 Registered: 1-2006 Posted From: 207.192.2.34 |
GC , Where does it say Jesus sweated great Drops of Blood? March 24th post 7:05 pm. Remember you play into the Mormon hands when you say this , because they beleive Jesus started the atonement in the Garden when he Sweated Great Drops of Blood. The word says he sweated (as it were ) great drops of Blood. (KJV) It does not say he sweated Great drops of Blood, but that he was sweating profusely (Big beads of Sweat) as it were big drops of Blood. Think about the soldiers who came to get him in the garden , i think these soldiers were members of the sanhedrin. They would of ask why this man Jesus was bloody when they knew they had not laid a hand on him yet. Also the apostles would have been puzzled as well. The blood would have stained his clothes as well. | ||
| godchild Senior Member Username: godchild Post Number: 2815 Registered: 1-2005 Posted From: 4.255.45.33 |
No, no, no. This is not from mormon teachings. The atonement, the propriation for sin, was at the cross. Luke 22:44 says "And being in agony, He prayed more earnestly. Then His sweat became like great drops of blood falling to the ground. Jesus' earnest prayer and emotion led to a physical reaction. Though Jesus probably did not bleed here, His sweat became like blood. This is not an unknown phenomenon. Jesus wasn't slain in the garden. Read Rev. 5:12- Worthy is the Lamb who was slain to receive power, and riches and wisdom, and strength and honor and glory and blessing." Whether the sweat was blood (stigmata) or sweat doesn't matter. What matters is the willingness to be a living sacrifice for us Once and for all on the cross. Rev. 5:9 You are worthy to take the scroll, And to open its seals; For YOU WERE SLAIN, and have redeemed us to God by your blood Out of every tribe and and tongue and people and nation, and have made us kings and priests (by adoption) to our God; and we shall reign on the earth. | ||
| godchild Senior Member Username: godchild Post Number: 2816 Registered: 1-2005 Posted From: 4.255.45.33 |
No, no, no. This is not from mormon teachings. The atonement, the propriation for sin, was at the cross. Luke 22:44 says "And being in agony, He prayed more earnestly. Then His sweat became like great drops of blood falling to the ground. Jesus' earnest prayer and emotion led to a physical reaction. Though Jesus probably did not bleed here, His sweat became like blood. This is not an unknown phenomenon. Jesus wasn't slain in the garden. Read Rev. 5:12- Worthy is the Lamb who was slain to receive power, and riches and wisdom, and strength and honor and glory and blessing." Whether the sweat was blood (stigmata) or sweat doesn't matter. What matters is the willingness to be a living sacrifice for us Once and for all on the cross. Rev. 5:9 You are worthy to take the scroll, And to open its seals; For YOU WERE SLAIN, and have redeemed us to God by your blood Out of every tribe and and tongue and people and nation, and have made us kings and priests (by adoption) to our God; and we shall reign on the earth. | ||
| skooter942000 New member Username: skooter942000 Post Number: 6 Registered: 3-2006 Posted From: 4.243.194.216 |
??? Luke 22:44 And being in an agony he prayed more earnestly: ==> and his sweat was [as it were] great drops of blood falling down to the ground. <== Strong's #5616. hosei / ho-si' from 5613 and 1487; as if: --about, as (it had been, it were), like (as). ............................................... And being in an agony he prayed more earnestly: and his sweat was [as if it were , or LIKE] great drops of blood falling down to the ground. ................................................ When HE was upon the CROSS, that's when the ATONEMENT was MADE. - it was not MADE in the GARDEN. ------------------------------------------ RE: Your own words.....(gc) All scripture (not false gospel or scripture) is given for inspiration, for correction, for reproof, so that I can share the good news of Jesus Christ with Boldness and confidence by the power of the Holy Spirit who guides and teaches me. Don <*))>< | ||
| arron Senior Member Username: arron Post Number: 1641 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 68.119.39.174 |
hog wash... JESUS did not and was not on another planet, like the goofy mormons say. JESUS was THE WORD, WHO WAS WITH GOD AND WAS GOD. not some other planet inhabitant becomeing GOD when HE came here. | ||
| ezekiel_37 Advanced Member Username: ezekiel_37 Post Number: 591 Registered: 8-2005 Posted From: 69.192.223.192 |
right on arron...... | ||
| godchild Senior Member Username: godchild Post Number: 2837 Registered: 1-2005 Posted From: 64.28.63.202 |
zeke, if you agree with arron here, why do you state on sc/am threads that you believe there were people who were before Adam and Eve? | ||
| steelsword Advanced Member Username: steelsword Post Number: 507 Registered: 1-2006 Posted From: 207.192.2.34 |
Gc , just checking, We both have heared many time the mormons say , Jesus bleed for us in the garden first & that where he started to pay for our sins. Have a Great day! Steel jude 3 | ||
| godchild Senior Member Username: godchild Post Number: 2844 Registered: 1-2005 Posted From: 64.28.51.141 |
I understand steel. I know they teach the atonement was in the Garden of Gethsemane. People can be misled by things because they do not get into the Word. Such things as whether Jesus sweat like blood has nothing to do with His sacrifice, and yet people are willing to accept it if it comes from someone they believe is a spokeman for God. If they were studying the Holy Bible, they would quickly find the other verses verifying the truth. Instead they are kept too busy with works that they believe will bring them godhood. Psalms 118:8 | ||
| tbs New member Username: tbs Post Number: 4 Registered: 6-2006 Posted From: 68.227.252.76 |
2 items for you as you read these threads. 1) The mormons had just about finished the temple that was being built in Brazil in the latter 70's. It was built by brazillian people and with their money and tithes and they were very excited about its completion because they were anxious to do their own temple work-marriage's,sealings,babtisms for the dead etc. However brazillians have traces of negro blood and NO negro blood was allowed to enter or benifit from the temples. The LDS church started taking a lot of heat about this discrimination. A letter in 1978 was issued from the prophet that a revelation had just come in and that negroes could now hold the priesthood and also be allowed to do temple work just like the white people. The book of mormon was then changed from "White and delightsome" to "pure and delightsome". Although Brigham Young and other prophets taught that no Negroes would hold the priesthood until all the whites had a chance for it and that wouldnt happen till God returned. God must have changed his mind although he is never changing. hmm 2) Mormons believe after jesus shed great drops of blood in the garden that his work was done. The cross gets no recognition and thus crosses do not show up on any mormon churches,temples,anywhere. The cross supposedly showed that Satan won and Jesus was killed on the cross. Utah is the only state that still uses the firing squad for capital punishment, called the "blood atonement" deemed by mormons guilty on certain unforgivable or such grievous sins that even God couldnt forgive them and accept their souls unless their blood was shed. Thats brief but hope it sheds light on your questions. | ||
| godchild Senior Member Username: godchild Post Number: 3644 Registered: 1-2005 Posted From: 64.28.51.92 |
tbs, Thanks for clarifying that. The 'blood atonement and the Danites' is a horror story, and yet mormons excuse it saying it was all because of people persecuting them. My mother would not and does not allow crosses in her house. When I was a child, she used to say this was because they see the resurrection of Jesus as more important than the crucifixion. We didn't have angels in our house either. That was a no-no! |
