| Author | Message | ||
     Dirk (168.209.98.67) |
I was born and raised as third generation in the "TRUTH". I left after 30 years in this cult. Up to today it is not clear in my mind what exactly it is that the "professing" people profess or is suppose to profess. Maybe there is someone out there that can help to clear up this mistery!. | ||
| Vicki (63.170.58.140) |
Thank you for defending me as my message was very bitter. I talked to my Mom this weekend and printed off gobs of material to show her..I might as well been showing her the devil as she wouldnt look at it or hear me out..she is 76years old. She said if it was good enough for her Mother, Father, Sisters and family it was good enough for her. Good question about what they profess??? To be good enough for Gods judgment through all their rituals and being different by not being worldly as the rest of us..hee hee. You know they have to keep God in a box or he might get out and save the rest of us poor sinners!!! They don't want heaven crowded! | ||
| vicki (63.170.58.140) |
Just a added message..I professed so I didn't go to hell.....I professed later than most which caused family members great grief. I hated the TRUTH but I loved Jesus..GOD I was afraid of...as Mother punished me by taking vows on the bible for misdeeds so if they were broken I could go blind, die, or someone in my family could die. When my Dad died when I was 20 I knew it was my fault as I was not good enough. | ||
| Aimee (172.132.211.174) |
Good question. I still don't know the answer. I am 16 and haven't yet, and don't really plan on it either. My dad is a hypocrite. He does profess, but I can tell he doesn't want to. When people talked about the "call", I never understood what they were talking about. I never heard a call. When the tested the meetings, all I felt was nervousness and fear, like, "they want me to stand up" and other stuff like that. If I ever thought about professing, it wasn't about loving God... it was about being afraid or doing it because people wanted me to. But as I said previously, I have not and will not. | ||
| Exd Out (209.104.141.158) |
Aimee, There's hope for you, girl. If you're 16 and still not professed, you may just make it out of that cult with your sanity intact. Don't let them brainwash that beautiful brain God gave you in the first place! Ex'd Out | ||
| dollface (66.178.165.186) |
They profess FEAR of God and Self-Rightous Judgment. While in the group, I happened to develop a relationship with God, and THAT is what led me to "wake up", start asking (gasp) questions, and OUT of this particular religion. At the time, it looked like a negative thing, but come to find out, a relationship with the Workers is what holds the group together. They weren't interested in me, after I started waking up, so that was that. | ||
| Vicki (63.135.202.95) |
It's been while since I have posted a message...but as I get ready for church...not the 2X2s but a church that accepts all that have faults!!!!! I thank GOD that my eyes have been opened and even though it took years to get here I'm sure GOD will use me for my testamony to help others heal and as I am allowed in my new church to talk about my faults. I'm healing and realizing that we all have a story and one that is not a perfect story but one that has lots of hurts, grief and healing. I remember the twelve apostles as they were a ragtag band not PERFECT like the workers.... the twelve professed GODS love for us and through his grace we are saved not through works. | ||
| Anonymous (12.220.80.100) |
They profess that they want to live their life for God. | ||
| Dirk (168.210.133.6) |
TO ANONYMOUSE MESSAGE DATED MAY 24th Thanks for the short informative message. It is not that simple and very far from the real truth: The bible teaches us to profess: Jesus is the Son of God. Jesus is the only Way to the Father Jesus mercy is for everybody not for those who wants to live their live to manmaid procedures and standards. God is three fold nl. Father Son and Holy Spirit Jesus has died and rose again. Jesus has paid the price - Nobody can do anything to deserve eternity live - Only the faith of a child in the Son of God will ensure eternity. Jesus said : Only those who professes that I am the Son of God will be named children of God. And so I can go on and on. I can only plea in the famous words of the workers " before its too late" start to study the Word of God (BIBLE), ask the anointment and leading of the Holy Spirit to guide you to the real truth, the truth that set one free from all chains and burdons. Good luck and God Bless! | ||
| vicki (63.135.202.116) |
Any Christian that accepts that Jesus is our saviour and died for our sins is a professing Christian. He was not only an example to live by but we that believe his blood made us clean are saved, for who so ever belives in him shall have everlasting life. He was God and man..perfect from sin but understood and lived life as man. God came down as a man to pay the price for our sins. Saved by GRACE and not works!!!! My Mother is still trying to work her way into Heaven in this 2X2 cult.....When the answer is so easy. I profess that I am a Christian!!!! I would lay my soul down for Jesus. | ||
| Dirk (168.210.133.6) |
Vicki - ditto!!! You've got it so right!!!. There is no other way - Jesus is the only way and truth. All we can do is pray for your Mom. I now how you feel as both my parents are still professing and stone deaf when we talk about Christianity. I am at the point now where I rather avoid any conflict. | ||
| vicki (216.104.73.149) |
Dirk--Thank you for the kind words!!! I gave my Mom the information about the 2x2's and she is BLIND!!! I did what I had to do and I will never say another thing about it. I will only hope my example will be a shining light to her and lots of prayer!!!!! Who knows maybe the cult woll be in heaven just the hard way of going about it when they could have had peace in this world. | ||
| Emma (203.56.253.136) |
Aimee, Reading through your post brought back memories of my own teenage years - I didn't profess either. Yes - I didn't get the "call". I didn't hear God's voice and I didn't want to feel like the biggest hypocrite standing to my feet and professing something I didn't believe in. The pressure to profess it amazing - particularly as you get into your late teens. I even had people turning around watching to see if I would get to my feet! I think what's important though is to remain true to yourself - if you don't feel comfortable doing it resist the pressure. Regards, Emma | ||
| Vicki (216.104.73.149) |
Do you all remember at convention when they ask those to stand to their feet to profess....did your heart pound through your chest!!!! My Mom said that was the holy spirit calling me. I never stood or professed as a teen....but I thought I was going to pass out!!!! Gosh another year and I missed out...hope I don't die!!! All my cousins professed and were baptised at a tender age...I was the rebel!!!! | ||
| Anonymous (157.89.46.110) |
They profess that they are the one and only true church that Jesus established. They believe you will go to hell if you stop attending their "meetings" in the worker approved homes. They believe in a strict lifestyle-no televisions, women wearing dresses and hair on the head in a bun shape, no makeup and jewelry for women, and getting to EVERY meeting possible including gospel meetings. They think Jesus started their church instead of Irish workers in 1897. They don't know if they are saved or not until they die. They feel that one can lose eternal life very easily if they aren't faithful enough. They focus more on God's wrath instead of God's love. Workers have total control over one's life. | ||
| Anonymous (157.89.46.110) |
Workers pressure people to profess in the Saturday night convention meetings by stressing going to hell if you don't become a "child of God". You know, the young man who wanted a taste of this world-he lost out and died in a car accident thus he went to a "lost eternity" or hell. | ||
| Anonymous (157.89.46.110) |
Workers and friends think they alone have the true and right way. They think people outside their group (lost and perishing world) had better make their choice before they die or they will face a "lost eternity". Professing friends often live under fear or guilt. They may not be aware of this. But many of them aren't happy people. They worry about not being faithful enough. They see a God of wrath and not a God of love. As a professing young person, I made fun of worldly churches. I felt like they were misled and lost. I thought they were so blind. I don't understand why the older workers had such HATE toward denominational preachers and church members. The professing mindset is so confining. Stay away from worldly friends. Don't marry anyone who isn't professing (taking part in meetings). You feel a responsibility for showing those outside the fellowship that YOU as a CHILD of GOD should be different. It is hard to explain a church that doesn't have a name. A church meeting in homes. Ministers who spend each night or two with different professing members. I don't know why the workers want the friends to act better or different that those in worldly churches. Ridiculous. The spiritual pride and snobbery among some professing friends ,who have open homes for God's servants ,can be revolting. | ||
| Anonymous (209.27.62.170) |
Dirk, why don't you and Vicki just get together, wallow in your misery and maybe one day you'll find your way BACK HOME to JESUS????? | ||
| Anonymous (209.27.62.170) |
"Mans' wisdom leads into a maize and error grows in by path ways'..... remember the hymn???? MESSAGE TO DIRK | ||
| Anonymous (209.27.62.170) |
what does this ministry preach?? GO BACK TO THE WORD AND YOU'LL SEE.....you're all into toooooo much yapping.... meditation and prayer is what you need!! | ||
| Anonymous (209.27.62.170) |
DIRK I LOVE YOU..... and GOD does too. | ||
| Dirk (168.209.98.66) |
To Anonymous I Realy appreciate you saying that you love me!. Stunning! I KNOW God loves me and I confess and profess that I love GOD too and therefor know that I am SAVED by his Son Jesus through His Blood. Nothing and nobody else can do! I forgive you for the nasty comment about Vicky and myself!. Unfortunately the scripture that TRUTH embark upon is not the only to be highlighted and to live by. My purpose is not to start a useless conversation again but rather to create a constructive forum for people around the globe to learn something and then decide for themselves. Fortunately I do not have to "return home". I am home where I worship now. Believe it or not but other ministeries than TRUTH also worship God and might be more pure of heart,love and truth than what most people can imagine. Anyway that is my experience. Not a bad suggestion for Vicky and myself to get together. Unfortunately not that easy as I am a South African and Vicky so far away. Also I am not bitter or ashamed of anything that happened during my stay with 2 x 2. All I am certain of is that it is not the only way to God. That is what I would like to share and so far nobody from what I,ve read could prove us wrong. I asume that you are a TRUTHER. Therefor May I dare you to please explain through scripture what exactly do the TRUTHERS profess! My experience further is that the instuctions of the Lord are not obeyed to a great extend. The Lord says the harvest is ready to be reaped and my question now is where are the TRUTHERS?. You don't hear them openly profess to the greater world out there that JESUS has died for our sins and has paid with His blood and therefor can be saved nor do they themselves (workers) go out and reap. No its the Saints who has to invite people to gospel meetings. Workers only do the soft jobs instead of being the harvesters. Anonymous - I ALSO LOVE YOU!!! IT IS A COMMAND OF GOD THAT WE SHOULD LOVE EACH OTHER!. May GOD bless you!!!. | ||
| Dirk (168.209.98.66) |
Come on lets profess GOD IS A GOOD GOD to all who in all honesty worship Him! No matter where and how! He loves us all who is believers in Jesus His Son is called the Children of God. We are one in Jesus Christ the Lord!. May the Holy Spirit be with us all to guide us in worship and prayer. Praise His lovely Name, Halluluja!!!. AMEN Love you all - DIRK Thank You Jesus for you have done for us!. | ||
| Vicki (216.104.73.149) |
I love you all too and I really mean it. In the truth I was never taught love...just the wrath of a hell fire GOD. I was never taught to LOVE your neighbor because the neighbors didn't believe in the TRUTH so they were shunned as they were the damned. I was never taught to love anyone and those in the truth don't have much trust in anyone....other than the small group they belong to. My Mothers husband just passed away..my father passed 25 years ago.....where are the TRUTHERS 8 months after the fact when she really needs some support???? I'm 5 hours away and she is trying to move by herself. I'll be helping her finish her move in a couple of weeks. The church I belong to now would have been there all along. | ||
| Anonymous (63.130.192.194) |
Dirk, what's so nasty with reference to Vicki and yourself? birds of a feather should stick together? | ||
| Vicki (216.104.73.149) |
Anonymous I think you have Dirk and I figured out wrong! First thing we are not miserble, we are happy to finally have a healthy belief of our GOD. GOD that is not placed in a small box for the home church to worship.....living with rules that are made up by the workers that don't reflect a thing that the Bible teaches. That we are saved by grace through Jesus...that he died for our sins...he shed his blood for us, that we who believe in him shall have everlasting life. That we are not saved through works. The bible teaches LOVE...Love your neighbors and love GOD. The two most important things in the BIble are those. Love your enemy don't shun him. I have always felt that the 2x2 church is full of hypocrits...I would rather go to hell than profess I'm something I am not. Women have a harder time in this 2x2 group because we are expected to look different...the men don't look any different than any other group. I was taught as a child to judge others..all others were to be pitied because they were going to hell. I hated all churches and was proud that I was born special. After 49 years of beliving I was going to hell the light came on!!!!!! Happiness is what I know now!!!! Peace..calmness and lOVE!!!! | ||
| Anonymous (63.130.194.81) |
Oh Vicki,it's you again, please tell me something about your new found peace.... because you seem so tormented | ||
| Vicki (216.104.73.149) |
I am only tormented because my mother who is a TRUTHER is tormenting me over life in general as an only child I feel like I need to please her because she "Gave her all to me". If it weren't for finding the true Jesus I would lose my mind!!!! I just got off the phone with her...she can't let any of the past go....I'm 50 and shes hatching out stuff when I was 14years old. She drives me crazy. So if I seem tormented it's because I take it out here. My peace comes in knowing that someday we will be in a better place. She does not have that peace. | ||
| Dirk (168.209.98.66) |
Anonymous - Look at your posting again and ask yourself the following question: Would Jesus have made the same comment? Read Gal:5 Secondly you are going on and on in a conversation leading nowhere and is saying nothing. I have dared you - Read it again - and giving you the oppertunity to tell us what do you as a truther profess. Are you afraid of answering the question point by point? Please stop giving us lip!. ANSWER THE QUESTIONS AND START CONTRiBUTING SOMETHING MEANINGFUL. I mean you believe in something good arent you? If yes please share it with us, will you?. You're still forgiven and loved by God .... and me! May you have a nice day and God Bless!!! | ||
| Dirk (168.209.98.66) |
Anonymous - Look at your posting again and ask yourself the following question: Would Jesus have made the same comment? Read Gal:5 Secondly you are going on and on in a conversation leading nowhere and is saying nothing. I have dared you - Read it again - and giving you the oppertunity to tell us what do you as a truther profess. Are you afraid of answering the question point by point? Please stop giving us lip!. ANSWER THE QUESTIONS AND START CONTRiBUTING SOMETHING MEANINGFUL. I mean you believe in something good arent you? If yes please share it with us, will you?. You're still forgiven and loved by God .... and me! May you have a nice day and God Bless!!! | ||
| Anonymous (63.130.196.230) |
Dirk, what's the point of meaningless discussion when you have already come to your own conclusions? trying to drag others down to eternal confusion like the hell you find yourself in? remember Jesus said "do not cast your pearls before swine"... | ||
| Vicki (216.104.73.149) |
Anonymous; Does that mean your the swine??? Dirk IS casting his pearls!! | ||
| tinkertim360 (209.83.17.227) |
I see "Anonymous" says to come back to Jesus, not to "The Truth"...perhaps a typo?? Also what does that ministry preach?? I would like to see the doctrine written down, clearly spelled out. My experience with the church changed each time a different worker came to the field, that made it hard for me to believe they were all inspired by God! I came to believe nothing is written because if its written its harder to backpedal. BTW Anonymous, just because people talk about their experience leaving the church doesn’t mean they are unhappy, unpeaceful, or confused, mostly its relief. I finally had piece in my own life when I stopped worrying about all the people who were going to hell! | ||
| tinkertim360 (209.83.17.227) |
that should say "peace" in my life, my head was periodically hitting the keyboard when I was typing!! | ||
| Anonymous (63.130.195.132) |
tinkertim360, you don't need to explain anything to me "the Lord will have mercy on who He will". Don't clarify anything to me..... it's the Good Lord that really matters!! and poor ole Vicki it doesn't matter if I'm the swine, God sees us in whatever state we are and loves us just the same.. "it's His love and approval that I cherish..." G O O D B Y E | ||
| Anonymous (63.130.195.132) |
tinkertim, isn't the truth Jesus? | ||
| Vicki (216.104.73.149) |
The truth is Jesus....and your right Jesus loves you no matter what!!! tinkertim I agree with what you said. By the way ... Im not poor ole Vicki!!! I'm a happy, peaceful christian not bonded by the 2x2 cult. What a relief!! I may suffer from depression but I was spirtually abused for years!!! I'm in therapy for cult abuse 48years worth, through a qualified couselor that specialises in cult abuse. There are a lot of Mormans in my town. I can say with confidence that I am saved!!! I profess to others as I work in a Christian supply store. BTW I love you anonymous and so does JESUS!!!! | ||
| tinkertim360 (209.83.17.227) |
Mr(miss, whatever) Anonymous, I will take my best shot at clarifying some things, simultaneously making an effort to not offend your gross sensibilities by making the aforementioned clarification as subtle as possible. In reading your posts it becomes clear that you do not bother reading, only responding to some perceived insult in the most inflammatory way you can muster. 1) “poor ole” Vicki asked if YOU were referring to YOURSELF as swine, in light of the fact that Dirk was casting his pearls. If you care to recall, you brought the whole swine, pearl thing up in the first place. 2)you ask: “isn’t the truth Jesus?” If you had read, or perhaps cared to see, I capitalized “The Truth”. This is in reference to your church, group, harvest, or whatever you want to call “it”. (I think it is necessary for you to decide what you want to be called, just to avoid arguing semantics over substance, which seems to be a pastime of yours) In your request for clarification, you did not capitalize “truth”, thus changing the meaning. So, just to make it clear, I do not think “The Truth” has much to do with Jesus, unless its convenient of course. 3) This is important for you to consider, read your posts, they are arrogant, divisive, insidious (in that you take things out of context), and sardonic. Which of these superior personality traits were learned from Jesus? Which one, or which combination should draw me to your faith? What have you shown here that would make me want to go to meeting? I would be afraid your holy condescension would knock me out. There is nothing in what I could ever believe that includes spending a lifetime of looking up your nose. | ||
| Dirk (168.209.98.66) |
Dear Anonymous, My heart goes out to you - I pitty you!. Realy want to know why? After all your long postings arguing all sorts of nonsens across the message board, the ligth has finaly come on for you. At last you confess, and I quote from your posting 12June 2004 at 10.04 "THE LORD WILL HAVE MERCY ON WHO HE WILL", that the grace and mercy is not only for the TRUTHERS but for all believers. What a confession to make!!!. Amen!!!! May I now urge you to share your new found revelation with all you come in contact with especially those in the TRUTH???. They will obviously then be more understanding and less slamming others uneccessarily. WOW!!! I am so glad for you to haave found the truth at last as per your own words quoted above. May the good Lord bless,cherish and hold you for ever! Great to have a new brother/sister in the truth as per his/her own confession!. Dirk | ||
| Anonymous (209.27.62.170) |
Dirk, Tinkertim and all... my heart is heavy for you. I trust that God will continue to extend His hand of pity and mercy on you... With Love.. | ||
| Anonymous (209.27.62.170) |
Dirk, come to the West Indies, perhaps you'll get the real perspective.. "Jesus is the Way, the Truth and the Light". The workers are only human. It's not the hairstyle or outfit that makes you right, "by their fruit you shall know them", it's the manifestation of the holy spirit that makes one a child of God... not the long sermons or the outward profession of piety. God is real, I find him in all walks of my life, I do not worship the workers or allow them to control my perception of my relationship with God. I try to live the life, walk the walk and talk the talk. I have peace in my heart and wish the same for all of Gods' children, it just seems unfortunate that some got lost along the way, please note it was never in the heart of God for this to happen.. You ask what do we profess? simply..." to do justly, to love mercy and to walk humbly with your God" Micah6:8. I oh so desire that one day all Gods' children will be UNITED AS ONE and satan will have no more say.... Sincerely, Your FRIEND | ||
| Dirk (168.209.98.66) |
Anonymous, I see that some time has elapsed between your last postings. time that was realy worth spending as your last posting revealed all that Vicky, Tinkertim and myself said all along. I am glad we finaly profess the same thing, we are all children of God. Be assured that one day we will all be united as one in heaven, the bride of Jesus. It is our own responsibility to ensure that we are the bride of Jesus as we have the choice now no matter in which denomination. "Jesus is the Way, the Truth and the Light" as you rightfully quoted the Word of God. At last we have the same perspective and I am glad to share it with you. I am honoured to be your friend in Jesus. God Bless! Dirk | ||
| Anonymous (157.89.46.110) |
The Truth of the workers and friends is not the only "true way". It is just another man made religion with group norms and traditions. Plain and simple. If you think leaving the fellowship means leaving God's true religion, you are badly mistaken. God saves people in most religions. He alone is the judge. Not some homeless 2x2 preachers/workers! | ||
| vicki (63.135.202.127) |
I haven't posted here in some time, but in reading the posts if you were to go to a 2x2 church here in Oregon not wearing your hair up, no makeup, long dresses, King James Bible if your a woman, or wore makeup, dyed your hair, jewelry, NIV Bible you would be shamed out of the place if it was a home church. You would get one of those worker talks. The stares in church would be bad enough. The 2x2 don't accept just anyone, only those that respect the rules of legalism that the workers made up. No one in the old days eigher questioned the start of this church by a mere mortal man or were so duped that they had to keep going. I feel bad that some of these legalistic church have become the judges of the world of whos right and wrong....isn't that GODs job? God takes us how we are through Christ we are changed into new beings, passing the word to anyone we can and loving everyone. I have worked at Christian Supply and NOT once has anyone tried to convert me in the 2x2 church. I'm the only one that knows about it because I was raised in the church. I can tell the ones that don't have the nerve to introduce themselves and I ask if they are from this church, they will say so if I ask. I can tell by the dress of the women. | ||
| Anonymous (209.27.62.170) |
We profess LOVE in action... God Bless | ||
| meg (meg) New member Username: meg Post Number: 4 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 63.249.15.32 |
I have a real question with no intent of disrespect. Does anyone know of anyone at all who left the 2x2's and did not join another church? Just . . . left? | ||
| wesley (wesley) New member Username: wesley Post Number: 1 Registered: 5-2005 Posted From: 24.127.63.18 |
Hi to all of you. I attended the church to which you refer on a few occasions (they told me it was known as "The Truth"). Part of its credo appears to be that one cannot be saved unless you hear and receive the Gospel from one of their "workers" whom they regard as modern day apostles. They also claim you will lose your salvation if, when you die, you happen to be committing a sin at that moment. They also seem to regard salvation as something to be obtained , as a prize instead of a gift from God received by faith (Greek: pistevo---faith unto salvation). Another of their beliefs seems to be that when you sin, you have lost your salvation and so need to ask for forgiveness and repent all over again. (Personally, I'd have no time for anything else if this were true as sin is ANY deviation from the will of God.) I use words like "seem" and "appear" because when you ask them to state their beliefs or their religion's credo, you will seldom receive a direct answer; they're as dodgy about that as they are their church's name--but then that is perhaps for the best because when one compares the various teachings of that church with the Bible, the discrepancies become very apparent; that is, that what they say is different from what the Word says. Needless to say (but I'll say it anyway) the Bible is correct and anything deviating from it is wrong. This cult reminds me of the JWs---having an ostensibly Christian/Biblical doctrine blended with a few but very harmful and destructive nuanced differences. Bye for now. wesley | ||
| wesley (wesley) New member Username: wesley Post Number: 2 Registered: 5-2005 Posted From: 24.127.63.18 |
P.S. I am certain that many in "The Truth" are saved; true believers. It remains unfortunate, however, that the false teachings of that church/cult continue to confound many. It's also likely that many in the sect (including the 'workers') are not "on the same page"; that is, they do not all believe exactly the same things regarding the core doctrinal issues such as how one receives salvation. | ||
| charity New member Username: charity Post Number: 1 Registered: 1-2007 Posted From: 24.18.95.24 |
"They feel that one can lose eternal life very easily if they aren't faithful enough." This says it all! Living in constant fear of failure and dying not knowing if you've made it. Yet workers can speak at your funeral "if you were very good" and talk about your being saved. And how would they know that if you didn't? |
