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     Nate (198.111.39.24) |
I hear this guy on the radio a lot and was wondering what people think of him. He talks about the coming new world order and the infiltration of Communism in our country. He has a lot of radical ideas but one thing that seems a lil sketchy is that he claims to have had revelations from God. Some may claim he uses scare tactics but nothing I've heard him say contradicts the Bible. If you havent heard him before you can listen here: http://www.newswatchmagazine.org Does anyone believe this guy? | ||
| Anonymous (12.32.24.40) |
I've heard David Smith in the past and have even read some of his magazines. Then I learned of his past. David J. Smith used to belong to and was a minister in the Worldwide Church of God, a cult started by Herbert Armstrong. Herbie was considered by his followers to be the "prophet Elijah come to restore all things," and that he would be the one to "usher in the Kingdom of God." Armstrong also made many "prophecies" about America, none of which ever came to pass. Of course, when he died in the mid-80's, the belief he was gonna usher in anything died with him and the church began to fall apart. But back to Smith. Smith truly believed Armstrong was "God's man for the end-times" and was doing a true work of God, but he believed the church had been infiltrated by Jesuit Priests and had started to corrupt things. As a result, he struck out on his own and started his own "ministry." Smith's church is basically an off-shoot of Armstrong's church, but he takes it much further with his endless conspiracy theories, almost to the point of paranoid schizophrenia (sp?). Though I'm sure he mixes a lot of truth in with his message, what false teacher doesn't? Just my opinion. | ||
| john_doe (john_doe) New member Username: john_doe Post Number: 1 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 209.30.170.23 |
Jackson Stonewall David J. Smith for Profit NOT Prophet Thu Aug 19, 2004 13:49 69.149.89.201 David J. Smith for Profit NOT Prophet Many folks have heard of David J. Smith of Newswatch Magazine fame. Many folks listen to him on shortwave daily, I have for years. Smith preaches he is a prophet of God and has been called to head an "ingathering" of saints in western states. Although Smith does deliver with conspiracy theory, and really does expose much of the nasty stuff being done by the government and “ New World Order crowd, he is at best an internet prophet. Definition: Internet Prophet; One who surf the internet gathering information and “reveals” things going on. Many such “Prophets” were early comers to the Internet revealing information gathered to those not familiar with the abundance of information available. Smith is quick to sell you his latest video, taped message, or even CD of his latest message at considerable prophet for his 501(c) 3 ministry, although Smith denied corporate status on several occasions. I have in my possession documents from the state of Texas recognizing corporate status of his Church of God Evangelical Association. Also documents from the 21st Judicial Circuit Court of St Louis Missouri dated Thursday 9-23 93 filed with Patricia Tobias Clerk of Court case # 619104 for the divorce and separation notice between David J. Smith and Linda M. Smith awarding Lost Valley Lake Resort and $152.78 maintenance payment per month for 36 months. What is the point? He married his now wife Brenda Smith October 17, 1991 two years before this separation order and divorce. This is bigamy, illegal in all 50 states! This is an excerpt from the print version of Newswatch Magazine: Are you willing to see 20 million Texas citizens be turned over to a Socialist/Communist/United Nations one-world-government where millions will be imprisoned and killed by Russian UN Peacekeeping troops? Do you know that those in charge have written down on paper that they will kill Congressmen/women as the first category? You are on their list!!! Even if you think the UN government is wonderful, have you ever read and studied their final plans? THEY CANNOT ALLOW OUR RULERS TO LIVE BECAUSE THEY MAY NOT BE WILLING TO SEE MASS KILLINGS OF THOSE WHO WILL NOT ACCEPT THEIR NEW GOVERNMENT OF COMMUNISM! Will you contact those at the Republic of Texas office to consider leading Texas to independence before it is too late? Call Richard L. McLaren at 915-426-2210 or Fax him at 915-426-3705.4 Smith was questioned by a court as well as FBI about his involvement with the Republic of Texas, he was threatened with loss of tax-exempt status of his church. In return for his keeping tax-free status he gave FBI access to his mailing list and continues to provide information about his congregation to authorities that might ask. It Might also be noted his move to Texas was not prompted by a message from God for an “ingathering” but rather of loss of members in church (down to just 2 at one time) because of his marital situation, bigamy and immoral situation. Be sure and send in those donations by Visa, Master Card, and etc. putting yourself in unscriptural bondage to the lender, to David J. Smith for Profit NOT Prophet. As preached in his messages daily Jackson Stonewall | ||
| youneedjesus (youneedjesus) New member Username: youneedjesus Post Number: 1 Registered: 9-2005 Posted From: 24.8.43.160 |
I discovered this ministry about 8 years ago while I was doing my own personal investigation into the untold truth concerning the Oklahoma City Murrah Bldg. explosion in April, 1995. I found that Mr. Smith had some similar information in which I had come across during my search for the truth. Being a retired law enforcement/investigator I realized that he was telling the truth about many things that were not being revealed to the public. Upon first hearing Mr. Smith I did not realize this was a church ministry. I continued to monitor and listen to some of his messages. I always checked his references to the Bible KJV and to this date have not found him to deviate from the Bible. I agree with John Doe on his assessment that Mr. Smith does obtain some of his up to date world happenings on the net. I should note however that Mr. Smith also provides some information which is not available on the net. My sources and followups have shown him to be quite knowledgeable in regards to what is going on in our country at this time. When I listen to his program in its entirety I check back on my notes and check his scriptural references. Thus far all have checked out as accurate. I appreciate the background checking by John Doe. It appears that Mr. Smith has a somewhat "checkered" past. But then so do I and most everyone else who breathes. I was not aware of the corporation of the church but am not surprised that the government is watching his church. Anyone who speaks the truth which the government opposes places himself in a high risk category. All I can attest to is that he is on the mark as far as world events go and as for the Bible teaching.........I have yet to find him in error. If John Doe has some more current information regardin Mr. Smith I would welcome the information. | ||
| watchman_2 (watchman_2) New member Username: watchman_2 Post Number: 18 Registered: 1-2006 Posted From: 4.232.207.5 |
I have not researched Mr. Smith as the others here have. However, I watch his program week nights and agree with his position regarding the one world order. After all, it states the same in the Bible. I do not find all of his Biblical teachings to be valid, but, most are consistent with my understanding of the Bible. My big question related to Mr. Smith's position is what does he expect others to do regarding the one world order. Since God has said it will happen, why fight against that which we know will come true in these latter days? It seems to me that he should be teaching along the lines of preparation for the eventual return of Christ, since his research points toward the one world order. | ||
| godchild Senior Member Username: godchild Post Number: 3328 Registered: 1-2005 Posted From: 4.255.47.247 |
watchman, The only things I have heard arnold murray/shepherd chapel teach about preparing for the eventual return of Christ is a 4-5 month supply of food and watch out for those kenites. | ||
| watchman_2 Intermediate Member Username: watchman_2 Post Number: 499 Registered: 1-2006 Posted From: 66.92.33.240 |
godchild, wrong thread. Oh yes, since you listen to PM, you should know that what you posted is a lie. | ||
| joyful_1 New member Username: joyful_1 Post Number: 1 Registered: 5-2006 Posted From: 66.174.79.226 |
I have listened to and read David Smith's material I think that he is very accurate in his biblical teachings and his pointing out of world events how they relate.I wish more people would not just hear the guy but listen to what he is saying.I even think there are a few so called ministers,reverenes,and pastors who would not like what he says but sure would learn what the bible really is saying. | ||
| 1_who_knows New member Username: 1_who_knows Post Number: 1 Registered: 11-2006 Posted From: 70.251.93.227 |
I dont know who Jackson Stonewall is.I know Ive never seen him at our church as Ive attended every service since moving to Texas in 1994. Ive never seen any of you experts on David Smith at any church activity.You are claiming to be experts on this man,but you have no idea what your talking about.David is not working to make money.I know how much property he has,I know how much he gets paid from the church,and I know what went on in the past as far as his personal history.So what you experts here are saying are lies.I can tell you what he does teach.He teaches us to follow God.Only about 30% of the sermons are prophesy,the rest spiritual sermons.If keeping Gods law- the Ten Commandments,keeping Gods feast days,and doing what JESUS said- loving your neighbor as yourself is dangerous, then so be it.Thats what David is teaching us.I dont know what your ministers are teaching you. But when satans final system is here,youll be looking for answers.Go to 908 Sycomore st,Waxahachie Tx and you will find us.Or call us,1800-516-8736.Good luck to you all. | ||
| watchman_2 Senior Member Username: watchman_2 Post Number: 1687 Registered: 1-2006 Posted From: 66.92.33.240 |
1_who_knows, Perhaps you can answer the question that I posed above in my post. According to David Smith, what are Christians supposed to do about the one-world order? | ||
| 1_who_knows New member Username: 1_who_knows Post Number: 2 Registered: 11-2006 Posted From: 209.30.46.38 |
Nothing. We are to be ambassadors, representing the Kingdom of God. We are to wait for Jesus to establish his Kindom on earth. There is nothing we, as Christians, can do to stop Satan from his new world order. God has always sent his prophets to warn the people to repent, (ie-Noah,Moses). He even sent Enoch to preach to the fallen angels. Someone has to warn this nation of what is coming and why it is happening. Both the books of Deuteronomy and Leviticus give the blessings for a nation that follows God and the curses for a nation that turns its back on God. So, if you want to do something about the new world order, repent and believe the Gospel of Jesus Christ. | ||
| watchman_2 Senior Member Username: watchman_2 Post Number: 1735 Registered: 1-2006 Posted From: 66.92.33.240 |
1_who_knows, Thanks. When I read his magazine and watched his TV program, he never gets around to saying anything about this. | ||
| joyful_1 New member Username: joyful_1 Post Number: 2 Registered: 5-2006 Posted From: 66.174.79.232 |
David Smith teaches everything that you writers are saying that he doesn't and very throughly.I do not live in Texas but I have many of his tapes and books, oh yes I have also been to Texas to the church in person to services.There is no one that I know of that preaches what Gods people are to be doing with their lives today in preparation for what is ahead than David Smith does. You my disagree with him but you can prove everything that he teaches right from your bible.He is a true minister of God.Not A minister for profit.As for the 1_ who _knows I want to say hello to you cause if you attend that church I know that you are someone that have ears to hear and eyes to see and I'm very happy for you God bless.I was at the Feast of Tabernacles 2006.David baptized me there if you were there you know who I am.Va. (Message edited by joyful 1 on February 18, 2007) | ||
| granite Intermediate Member Username: granite Post Number: 174 Registered: 4-2006 Posted From: 63.25.123.108 |
joyful_1 -- D.J. Smith is not a true minister. The Bible says that "a bishop must be the husband of one wife," but Mr. Smith has been divorced and remarried and is on his third wife, at least! I have a friend who regularly attended the assembly in St. Louis before DJS absconded to Texas. Very shady moral, financial, legal, and religiously abusive situation there. In spite of all of the above, by and large DJS does speak and print the truth, particularly Biblically but also with regard to events in the secular realm. | ||
| granite Intermediate Member Username: granite Post Number: 175 Registered: 4-2006 Posted From: 63.25.123.108 |
joyful_1 -- D.J. Smith is not a true minister. The Bible says that "a bishop must be the husband of one wife," but Mr. Smith has been divorced and remarried and is on his third wife, at least! I have a friend who regularly attended the assembly in St. Louis before DJS absconded to Texas. Very shady moral, financial, legal, and religiously abusive situation there. In spite of all of the above, by and large DJS does speak and print the truth, particularly Biblically but also with regard to events in the secular realm. | ||
| yaqakallah Intermediate Member Username: yaqakallah Post Number: 223 Registered: 12-2006 Posted From: 68.110.28.40 |
I like him as well. His program and magazine are the truth as I see it. As for having one wife, I take that to be one wife at a time. YHVH does excuse divorce but they must first fit the criteria of 1 Corinthians 7:10-23. | ||
| granite Intermediate Member Username: granite Post Number: 179 Registered: 4-2006 Posted From: 63.25.5.43 |
The significance of verse 39 must not be overlooked in the study of this passage (also noted in Rom. 7:3). It will ever close the door upon the legitimacy of so-called marriages where the man or the woman is a divorcee. Divorcees are persons separated from their spouse. If they should attempt to utter vows unto another, they are vowing to live in sin. Second marriages only bear Biblical sanction if they lock a widower with a widow or one or the other with a virgin of the opposite sex in a marital bond: "The wife is bound by the law as long as her husband liveth; but if her husband be dead, she is at liberty to be married to whom she will; only in the Lord." Divorced and remarried persons attending a church is one thing; but divorced and remarried ministers and deacons are something that definitely ought not to be! | ||
| joyful_1 New member Username: joyful_1 Post Number: 6 Registered: 5-2006 Posted From: 66.174.79.232 |
What a thing to be discussing.I will say this about DJ Smith I know that he is helping A lot of people to come to a understanding of the Lord of who he is and true worship.As far as his problems of past ,Do you really know the situation if he was an Adultress or whoremongler? I doubt that you do.Or if his wife was that or if she simply put him away we don't know do we? You even said somebody told you something that live in St.Louis that regularly attended his assembly. Why were they there? All I can say is God can use anyone he chooses for what ever he chooses.Beside you don't have to personally know the messenger if the message makes sense to the one who hears it.Mr Smith will answer any questions that needs to be answered if you talk to him I'm one who has found this out first hand and he answered what I ask to my satisfaction. | ||
| watchman_2 Intermediate Member Username: watchman_2 Post Number: 101 Registered: 1-2006 Posted From: 66.92.33.240 |
joyful_1, You wrote: ***** There is no one that I know of that preaches what Gods people are to be doing with their lives today in preparation for what is ahead than David Smith does. ***** I received the free subscription to his magazine for one year and viewed his show on TV a few times. In all ot that, I have never read/heard a recommendation in preparation for what is ahead. Perhaps, since you have a deeper understanding of his teachings, you can inform me what we are to do. Thank you in advance. |
