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     heathersback New member Username: heathersback Post Number: 4 Registered: 3-2006 Posted From: 172.131.225.253 |
I wonder why they sent me an invitation?? Geez after placing his cloven hoof on the Bible, swearing to tell the truth, then bold face lying in that antichrist sounding way, I was suprised they sent me a personal invite.. You can change the name, but a cult by any other name is still a cult or is that If it looks like •••• and smells like ••••, its still ••••? | ||
| mikko Intermediate Member Username: mikko Post Number: 419 Registered: 3-2005 Posted From: 69.242.21.100 |
theres a advertisment of this church now in the Del.news journal Saturday edition. | ||
| sofree New member Username: sofree Post Number: 22 Registered: 12-2005 Posted From: 68.34.6.100 |
I didn't get an invite Heather. Life Community Church on Otts Chapel Road is still a - cult. | ||
| david_munson Senior Member Username: david_munson Post Number: 2283 Registered: 9-2005 Posted From: 65.148.10.197 |
It is good to point out the group that changed it's name because of unwillingness to submit to biblical correction. God bless, Dave }}} | ||
| vincer Member Username: vincer Post Number: 59 Registered: 1-2005 Posted From: 141.157.74.135 |
I received a postcard from Lfe Community Church. very interesting. here is what is says.. CELEBRATE LIFE WITH US! on the front.. on the back it says: JOIN US FOR "LIFE CELEBRATION 2006" FORU SPECIAL WEEKENDS MARCH 25TH-APRIL 16TH SATURDAY OPEN HOUSES-10AM-2PM, COME FOR REFRESHMENTS BUILDING TOURS AND UPDATES. SUNDAY SERVICES 10AM, A FOUR PART ENCOURAGING "CELEBRATION OF LIFE" SERIES! MARCH 26TH-CELEBRATE THE GIFT OF LIFE APRIL 2ND-LIVING AN ABUNDANT LIFE APRIL 9TH-YOUR LIFE HAS JUST BEGUN APRIL 16TH [EASTER]-NEW LIFE TO COME  wow! {that just sounds so Annointed!! but there is something missing here. Life church has no mention of Jesus Christ. No mention of Salvation. no mention of Repentence. Are they ashamed of the Gospel of Jesus Christ? or do they not want to scare people off by saying the words of the Gospel? Is it the power of the neoto people on the front of the post card that will draw sinners to Christ? or dont we care about "that stuff" anymore. No, we dont want to offend. What about the store? is it really blessing the community or is it blessing Greater Grace-Life church? will people come because there is a new building? refreshments? what is the selling point? }wow\What exactly is going on here? is Life community church reaching people and changing lives or is the Gospel of Jesus Christ? | ||
| mikko Intermediate Member Username: mikko Post Number: 426 Registered: 3-2005 Posted From: 69.242.21.100 |
reaching in peoples pockets and brainwashing lies . | ||
| actionnews New member Username: actionnews Post Number: 3 Registered: 4-2006 Posted From: 68.82.180.144 |
When you google Life community church Newark it brings you here. I bet they didn't mean for that to happen. | ||
| actionnews New member Username: actionnews Post Number: 10 Registered: 4-2006 Posted From: 205.188.116.10 |
If you have found your way here by accident,I would implore you to read further to save your family and your children from a life time of heart ache that you never truely recover from. Up untill about a month or so ago Life Community Church was called Greater Grace. They changed thier name for very good reason. Go back to the top and click on Religious cults and sects then click on Greater Grace World Outreach. From there you can sift through 70,000 or more posts from people who have fled from this cult. I do not use the word cult loosely. It is very subltle at first for those that may have already started going thier. For your childrens sake, please, please read the posts. | ||
| vincer Member Username: vincer Post Number: 61 Registered: 1-2005 Posted From: 141.157.97.198 |
disgusting news.could have been prevented if only mom's head wasnt in the sand. where was dad? thats the real question now isnt it. (Message edited by vincer on May 31, 2006) | ||
| greaterdisgrace New member Username: greaterdisgrace Post Number: 5 Registered: 6-2006 Posted From: 68.83.114.246 |
Postings on this site have been accused of being slanderous. This is the shallow argument made by those trying to defend the inappropriate actions of their church leadership. Postings on this site have been accused of being attacks from Satan. This is the shallow argument of last resort. I know I have made an effective point when I am told “you are just under attack.” It’s the third grade equivalent to… “Is so…! Is not…! Is so…! Is not…! Use your God given discernment and stop explaining away facts by discrediting someone as under attack because they point out that your pastor is a narcissistic liar. Postings on this site have been accused of lacking faith. This is the go-to argument of the spiritually abusive system. If you are not “one” with the leadership then you simply lack faith. It takes more faith to trust the discernment received from the Holy Spirit than it does to give away your faith and put in it’s place a 100% faith in a man. Now that I have your attention… Read the sorted tail of lies and laws broken by P. Wisot of the Greater Grace Church of Newark, DE. This is the first of a series. This installment will focus on the factual events surrounding the new building campaign in Newark, DE “Reaching People and Making Lies” FACT: The Newark church owns 7 acres of land at the corner of Ott’s Chapel Road. For years a “vision” was cast from the pulpit to someday build a church on that corner. FACT: The site planning on the property was never properly conducted from the beginning because of the cost. FACT: At one point, 2-3 acres on the back of the property were clear-cut “without” a county permit. The church needed to submit a plan to the county in order to get a permit. There were two reasons there was never a site plan submitted to the county. 1)the cost of a proper site plan, 2) P. Wisot “feared” a wet lands designation which would make a portion of the land unusable. Apparently there was not much “trust” in God. FACT: After the illegal clear-cutting, the neighbor’s property flooded, and the Ott’s Chapel property flooded. FACT: The church was cited by New Castle County land development, and attended hearings with the county, and faced thousands of dollars of potential fines. A settlement was reached with the county by building a retention pond, and laying a pipeline. This historical perspective is important to put in proper context the recent events that followed in a build fund campaign in 2002. P. Wisot was willing to break the county land use development laws in order to fulfill “God’s” vision for the ministry on that property. His actions resulted in the flooding of the neighbors property, and cost the Newark body thousands of dollars to develop a storm water management plan, lay a pipeline, and build a retention pond. God will not be mocked. Read on and you will understand why. FACT: A campaign was put together in the summer of 2002 to raise money for a building, including a video re-casting the “vision” to build at Ott’s Chapel. FACT: The proposed plan assumed the acquisition of an adjacent residential property, surrounded by the church’s property. Despite what was represented during the campaign there was never an agreement for purchase or any “right” to purchase this property. This was an important parcel to complete any phase 2 construction as outlined in the campaign. The campaign went on anyway, despite a huge unknown regarding the availability of this vital property. The son of the owner was in fact hostile to the church, and made it clear he would never sell. This was never disclosed during the campaign. FACT: After the campaign was completed some site planning in the winter of ‘02-’03 was finally completed in order to obtain building permits. | ||
| greaterdisgrace New member Username: greaterdisgrace Post Number: 6 Registered: 6-2006 Posted From: 68.83.114.246 |
FACT: The ink was barely dry on the building fund campaign pledge cards, when in March of ’03 P. Wisot began the process of pursuing another property at Independence Way listed for sale at $5.2 million dollars. Roughly $3 million more than the budget presented in the fund raising campaign. FACT: On or about April 30th 2003, P. Wisot learned that there was a site planning error in calculating the green space requirements at the Ott’s Chapel property. The error was significant because it would effect the church’s ability to build its phase #2 building on the site. FACT: The planning error was used to justify the process of pursuing the $5.2 million dollar property. It was spun as a “change” in the requirements according to the New Castle County building code. This was a lie. There was no “change” at the county. The county just found the mistake made by the site planner. FACT: Even though P. Wisot knew there were serious problems with the “green space” calculations and that there was no right to purchase the adjacent property, the church continued to collect donations for the building at Otts Chapel Road. Donations were even placed in a model of the building for over a year. FACT: The effort to acquire the Independence Way property failed, and the body was lead to believe that the church could not build at Ott’s Chapel, because of county limitations, when the real issue was the church couldn’t build phase #2. There was very adequate space for phase #1 a 500 seat sanctuary, and numerous classrooms and offices. FACT: In the late spring of this year some people in the body started to question why there was no building being built, some asked for there building funds donations to be returned. Of course they were not. FACT: In an effort to do damage control the leadership came out with a building fund FAQ sheet in late May. In it an explanation is offered as to why the church needs to take on additional debt to buy a Gore facility for $3.0 million dollars, and not build at Ott’s Chapel. Below is a direct quote from the FAQ sheet that is a blatant lie. | ||
| greaterdisgrace New member Username: greaterdisgrace Post Number: 7 Registered: 6-2006 Posted From: 68.83.114.246 |
In March 2003, Larson engineering submitted our land use plan along with the required drawings….The calculations were based upon adequate space to house both Phase 1 and Phase 2…. And what we believed to be county requirements for green space. However, New Castle County Land Use in it’s April 30th review letter had REVISED the “green space” requirements from 10%-50% essentially limiting us to one building. FACT: How can the county REVISE something it is seeing for the first time? The county didn’t revise anything, their standards have not changed. Blaming the county for REVISING REQUIREMENTS FROM 10% to 50% is a lie. FACT: A misrepresentation or material omission of fact in the conduct of an organization involved in fund raising according to Delaware State Code constitutes a fraud. FACT: By concealing material facts and continuing to collect campaign donations the church defrauded the body of Christ in Newark, Delaware. God is not glorified when the leadership and P. Wisot did not disclose to the body the problems with the Ott’s Chapel phase 2 plans. And then when questioned, lied to the body by blaming the New Castle County Land Development for the problems. QUESTION: The Newark, DE church could still build a 500-seat sanctuary at the corner of Ott’s Chapel and Old Baltimore Pike. Why don’t they? Is it possible that a 500 seat church on the corner is not big enough to feed the “rock star” ego of P. Wisot? QUESTION: If the plans needed to be changed for long range planning purposes, why not disclose the problem? And give people a choice to stay “on board” with the new plans, or give them there money back. Why does the leadership find it necessary to lie to the body of Christ or hold back material changes in the plans? COMMENTARY: Imagine you hired a contractor to build you a 3000 square foot house for $300,000. You put down a deposit, and before construction starts the contractor comes back to you and says… “I don’t think you want a 3000 square foot house, you are a small-minded simpleton that really doesn’t know what is good for you, I am going to build you a 7000 square foot house, for twice the price. It’s a good deal…look what you are getting!” Would you go along with the contractor even though there has been no real change in your financial standing? No! you would go back to the contractor and say, “build the house you said you would build or give me my money back!” The contractor says, “you have so little faith, just trust that I know what is good for you, you are under some sort of attack, lie down and be still while give you what you really need.” | ||
| greaterdisgrace New member Username: greaterdisgrace Post Number: 8 Registered: 6-2006 Posted From: 68.83.114.246 |
In the Greater Grace leadership model there is no accountability. The Pastor can break the law to pursue his agenda, he can hold back information so the money keeps rolling in. Oh, what about the trustees you ask? Holding the Pastor accountable would require a spine...something lacking in Newark, DE NEXT SEGMENT: Federal Tax Fraud The Bambino Saturday, July 17, 2004 - 01:55 am You can also find this message under a new "string" Taxes? We don't pay no stink'n taxes! Taxes? We don't pay no stink'n taxes! Welcome to part two of a three part series on the conduct of the Greater Grace ministry in Newark, Delaware. In this segment the writer will not make specific allegations of tax fraud in Newark. Those familiar with the Delaware Church should be able to draw their own conclusions based on the presentation of fact patterns in the context of specific tax law references. This presentation will focus on four areas of conduct: 1. Barter arrangements within the ministry 2. Private inurment 3. Rental properties 4. Reporting of income Barter Arrangements The IRS defines bartering as income “when you exchange goods or services without exchanging money.” A direct quote from the IRS under topic 420 states: “Bartering occurs when you exchange goods or services without exchanging money. An example of bartering is a plumber doing repair work for a dentist in exchange for dental services. The fair market value of goods and services exchanged must be included in the income of both parties. Income from bartering is taxable in the year in which you receive the goods or services. …If you are a member of the clergy, you must include in your income offerings and fees you receive for marriages, baptisms, funerals, masses, etc., in addition to your salary. Suppose a person is a teacher at a school, or takes some other position of leadership and in exchange for their service to that school, their children 1, 2, or perhaps 3 receives free tuition. The value of the tuition is reportable income. There are some deductions for educational expenses that can offset part of the repartable gain due to a bartering arrangment, however those are only available thorugh “eligible educational institutions,” or accredited institutions. To the extent that any tuition has been waived for the children of teachers at the Greater Grace School in Delaware. Income equal to the fair market value of that tuition is reportable income on the individual tax returns of each teacher or administrator for each year the arrangement was in place. | ||
| greaterdisgrace New member Username: greaterdisgrace Post Number: 9 Registered: 6-2006 Posted From: 68.83.114.246 |
Private Inurment Private inurment occures when someone with a controlling interest in a non-profit corporation uses their position to influence the application of the organizations resources for there own personal gain. An example would if leader X of Y, a nonprofit group, was able to influence Y’s board to award a construction contract to a company owned by X. As a result of the arrangment, X will enrich (inure) himself through the application Y’s resources to a project that was profitable to X’s company. Let’s say for example, an individual or contractor that attended a church performed work on the Pastor’s personal residence, or other property. In exchange for the work, the church provided free bible college tuition or school tuition. This arrangment if it exists is problematic for two reasons. 1) The Pastor has enriched (inured) himself by bartering the resources of the church (bible college classes and school) in exchange for work on his personal residence. The person performing the work has reportable income equal to the fair market value of the tuition received. Private inurment violations, have caused some organizations (religious included) to loose their tax exempt status with the IRS. Rental Properties A tax exempt organization may be liable for taxation on activities that it undertakes outside the normal scope of it’s stated objectives. The tax concept referred to here under IRS Section 501 is the UBIT (Unrelated Business Income Tax) Notice the following from the IRS: “Even though an organization is tax exempt, it still may be liable for tax on its unrelated business income. Unrelated business income is income from a trade or business, regularly carried on, that is not substantially related to the performance by the organization of its exempt purpose or function except that the organization needs the profits derived from this activity. An exempt organization that has $1,000 or more gross income from an unrelated business must file Form 990-T, Exempt Organization Business Income Tax Return.” The definition of UBIT qualified activities is the key to identify the potential tax liability an organization has. Trust me on one thing… you don’t want to spend as much time reading tax code as your writer has. To understand the UBIT concept, several examples are given in the IRS circulars related to the “rental” of assets a non-profit organization may own. An 85/15% ratio of rental use is the test applied to determine if the asset is core to the organizations stated purpose. If the utilization of the asset is rented and used for rental income and it’s utilization in that arrangement exceeds 15% of the overall use, the asset is not considered “in support of the core purpose of the organization.” Income derived therefore from such a property is taxable. Refer to IRS Publication 598 for a detailed explanation of the UBIT requirements for rental properties. The UBIT requirement does not end with the leasing or renting of property, UBIT liability also exists related to capital gains from the sale of an asset that has been used less than 85% of the time for the stated objectives of the non-profit organization. Let’s suppose a church buys a property and rents it out for several years. It would owe taxes on the rental income each year. It then converts the property back to a core use, UBIT liability ends when the core use is re-established. Instead of converting the property, the church sells the property. The capital gain falls under the UBIT definition and could be taxable. Undocumented Income Since 9/11, and the development of numerous organizations soliciting charitable donations, the IRS has found it necessary to initiate an aggressive investigative project to identify abuses of non-profit leadership compensation. | ||
| greaterdisgrace New member Username: greaterdisgrace Post Number: 10 Registered: 6-2006 Posted From: 68.83.114.246 |
The following is “cut and paste” copy from the IRS web site: “IRS Tax Exempt Compensation Initiative: This summer, we are launching a comprehensive enforcement project to explore the seemingly high compensation paid to individuals associated with some exempt organizations. This is an aggressive program that will include both traditional examinations and correspondence compliance checks. The purpose of the project is to enhance compliance by learning what practices organizations use to set compensation; learning how organizations report compensation to the IRS and the public; and creating positive tension for organizations as they decide on compensation arrangements. These organizations need to know that their decisions will be reviewed by regulatory authorities. This project also will have educational components. We will be contacting hundreds of organizations. During the first stage, we will be looking at public charities of various sizes and private foundations. We will be asking these organizations for detailed information and supporting documents on their compensation practices and procedures, and specifically how they set and report compensation for specific executives. (take special note here from the IRS) Organizations also will be asked for details concerning the independence of the governing body that approved the compensation and details of the duties and responsibilities of these managers with respect to the organization. Other stages will follow, and will include looking at various kinds of insider transactions, such as loans or sales to executives and officers. We also will be looking at organizations that failed to, or did not fully complete, compensation information on Form 990. (end of the cut and paste) Identifying schemes where non-profit leadership realizes unreported income is of particular interest to the service. For example if a church credit card were used to purchase personal items and services like piano and dance lessons for a leaders children. The activity would certainly be permissible, but the expenditure is reportable income. Other things like auto repairs, or vacation expenditures can be charged on a non-profits’ credit card, but again these types of expenditures would be reportable as income Another type of reportable income falls under the category of cancelled of forgiven debts. Let’s say for example that a non-profit leader has work done by a contractor on his personal residence, to install a doorway and underground stairwell to access his new pool, and the bill from the contractor totals $2,500 dollars. The leader doesn’t want to pay the bill, and sends an associated person to meet the contractor and try to negotiate the bill. In the meeting the associated person solicits a concession on the bill as a donation to the non-profit. The contractor reluctantly agrees and the leader pays $550 instead of the $2,500. The forgiven debt is not a gift to the individual but to the non-profit because of the solicitation by the associated person. As a result the difference between the original bill and the amount actually paid is reportable income to the leader. Those of you familiar with the GG Church in Newark, DE will now better understand the future tax liability that exists, for both the church and individuals because of the conduct of the ministry. But are you really surprised? The same character that clear cuts land, lies to New Castle county, and omits material facts in a building campaign is certainly capable of not rendering to Caesar, that which is Caesar’s. | ||
| greaterdisgrace New member Username: greaterdisgrace Post Number: 11 Registered: 6-2006 Posted From: 68.83.114.246 |
"We are a humble people... those that have left are spiritually brain dead." This is part #3 in a three part series outlining the conduct of the leadership at the Greater Grace Church in Newark, Delaware. In part 1 the writer outlined a chronology of deception related to the church’s building plans and fund drive. In part 2 the applicable IRS rules related to the business practices of the ministry were outlined. In part 3 the authoritarian leadership model will be outlined, as well as some of the spiritually abusive practices observed in the ministry. This series has attempted to deal with it’s subject from a factual perspective. The writer is not surprised to observe several critical postings from those defending the work in Delaware. The reader should note that there has not been a single posting that refutes the fact patterns outlined. The opposition does not like to see light shined on the corruption in the ministry, but cannot seem to offer a substantive contribution, just name calling, or to redirect the attention to the Bible and Jesus. This process is in fact about the Bible and Jesus. What would Jesus do when presented with a fact pattern of corruption in His church? Fortunately we don’t have to guess this answer. It is given to us plainly when He entered the temple and responded by violently over turning the tables of the moneychangers. We are taught from the Greater Grace pulpit to study the life of Jesus, and a follow Him as the perfect example of humanity. Did He as the perfect human example use discernment? Yes. Did He get angry when he observed the corruption? Yes. Did He ignore it, or explain it away by saying, “Another human with a sin nature…Oh well.” No. The study of the life of Jesus seems to stop at Greater Grace when He began to challenge the authority of the religious elite of His time. | ||
| greaterdisgrace New member Username: greaterdisgrace Post Number: 12 Registered: 6-2006 Posted From: 68.83.114.246 |
Those that have posted arguments to discredit this writer by pointing out the overall sin nature of man, make the point of this series. Man has a corrupt and sinful nature, which is exactly why an authoritarian leadership model of church government is flawed. Pastors are no different than the people in the pews. Just because you can quote from memory half the Bible, does not exempt a Pastor from the sin nature of humanity. This series has not dealt with any personal sins of the P. Wisot, but rather the overall corrupt nature of his leadership style in the church, and the lack of meaningful oversight related to his financial conduct in the ministry. The record is what it is. There are two kinds of people attending Greater Grace in Newark, Delaware. Those that have no knowledge of the financial conduct of the ministry, and those that enable the process. Which are you? The reader can stick his head in the sand and choose to ignore the fact pattern, or, you can be more like Jesus, become outraged and start flipping over some tables. We’ll let more of the record help you decide…. There’s a scene in the movie “The Untouchables” when Robert DeNiro in the role of Al Capone calls the heads of his crime families together for a meeting. He speaks to the group about everything they have accomplished, and how unique their organization is. The meeting is a pep rally, a call to action for the troops in his fold. There’s been some challenges within the organization though, and without warning Capone picks up a baseball bat and bashes in the head of one of the guys at the table. A summary execution of the individual because he was disloyal and questioned Capone’s authority. The impact of the event is powerful because of the violent nature of Capone, and the ease at which he took a life. The blood splattered everywhere and the graphic characterization of the beating left little to the imagination. But why beat a guy’s head in at while sitting at a conference room table? Certainly Capone could have just taken the man out to an obscure cornfield somewhere like so many others. The beating at the conference room table had little to do with the guy on the receiving end of the bat and everything to do with the message to the others sitting around the table. “Step out of line, and your brains will be lying on the floor too.” The scene effectively captures the character of Capone’s leadership style. One of total control and authoritarianism. There was no discussion regarding the nature of the problem, no solicitation of input from the staff around the table, and no problem solving process. Just a baseball bat and a summary execution, the offender needed to be discredited and dealt with swiftly. What does a bat swinging Capone have to do with Greater Grace in Newark, Delaware? Read the notes published from a March 16th staff meeting below, and see if you can pick out the summary execution of the trouble makers…. And, for all you critics of shining the light of day on the character of P. Wisot. These are “his” published words, not the writer. Hint… The execution in this meeting is a “spiritual execution”… Pastor Jeff 3/16/04 Morning Devotional given to the staff of HCA: | ||
| greaterdisgrace New member Username: greaterdisgrace Post Number: 13 Registered: 6-2006 Posted From: 68.83.114.246 |
Pastor Jeff 3/16/04 Morning Devotional given to the staff of HCA: Sometimes in the intensity of the warfare we settle into a pseudo-humble position. We need to know who we are and boldly proclaim it and be fervent for Jesus Christ. We are instruments for the hand of God. Our staff is strong! We are not a fledging group. We are Bible teaching instruments of God in these last days. We are a remnant We are Bible entrepreneurs. This is a shocking work, an unbelievable work! There are envious, jealous, small-minded people who try to intimidate us. We are a powerful, effective tool in God's hands; we cannot let ourselves be intimidated. This is a monumental work of God in these last days. We are an energetic, dynamic, fervent group of Christians. You can't find anyone like this ministry anywhere around here. What other churches are taking on a bible college, Christian school, specific themes, discipleship, visitation, discovery, blitzes and much more? We as a staff must understand who we are and proclaim it boldly. We can't be afraid to say things. We can't be intimidated and quietly sit by and not speak. We must understand who we are. We are not an aristocratic group above other people. We are a meek and humble people. We reach out to people ands minister to people. God is raising this work up to be an incredible work. Isaiah 59:19: So shall they fear the name of the LORD from the west, and his glory from the rising of the sun. When the enemy shall come in like a flood, the Spirit of the LORD shall lift up a standard against him. Non-believers and passive believers want to pour water on the coals but God wants to fan the flame! Dan 11:32: And such as do wickedly against the covenant shall he corrupt by flatteries: but the people that do know their God shall be strong, and do exploits. We are God's people. The day is at hand. The day is far spent. It is time to be zealous, fervent and excited without intimidation and fear and without wavering. These are the days to be fervent and on fire, pursuing Him with all our heart. As a pastor, I have been intimidated and I am sorry that I have not taken a stand against the proud people who have left our church. Anyone who has left doesn't see what God is doing at Greater Grace Church and they are spiritually brain dead. They don't know all they are missing. These are the greatest days of our church. Naturally minded people have tried to intimidate us for too long. I am not going to be intimidated any longer; I am pushing this ship forward! We have to boldly proclaim who we are as a ministry. Don't be quiet. We have been intimidated by this world's system long enough! Let's be bold and confident in these last days. Let's be offensive and not defensive. (end of notes) Can’t you just visualize Capone, bat in hand, as he proclaims that those “small minded people… leaving this church… are spiritually “brain dead.” SMASH…! Spiritual brains laid out onto the floor…. If you’re a staffer at this meeting, do you want a bat taken to your head too? Likely not! You stay in line, and push forward despite the corruption, and lies. | ||
| greaterdisgrace New member Username: greaterdisgrace Post Number: 14 Registered: 6-2006 Posted From: 68.83.114.246 |
The writer would also like to point out the contrast of proclaiming “humility” followed by the “pride” statements that occurred right before the spiritual homicide. As if this was some sort of justifiable process. Can the character of this pastor be any clearer? The reader is urged to study the notes. Ask your self, how is Christ glorified by declaring His people “spiritually brain dead?” A few lines have entirely captured the heart motivation of the work in Delaware. The word “we” appears 21 times! We are this… We are that… We are unique…. How much of the power actually comes from God, and how much is the human “we” power in Delaware? In the weeks following the unauthorized release of the notes of this meeting, there was an internal investigation to try and determine who leaked the notes. Not that there was outrage over what was said… The response was that “we” must find the infidel that released these notes, so their spiritual head can be bashed in too! The point of this series is to document the heart motivation of the ministry in Delaware. The body of Christ should be about serving God, and the pastor is there to feed the people in that process. In Delaware, the church is about building a kingdom, and the body is there to feed the pastor. A few years ago P. Wisot taught a bible college class on leadership. Central to the class was John Maxwell’s book on the “21 Irrefutable Laws of Leadership.” Which chapter covers the “head bashing” law? Sorry, that was in Capone’s book… “The 21 Irrefutable Ways to Maintain Control” Make an example out of those that don’t stay in line. The notes from this staff meeting are the “smoking gun” regarding the true heart of the ministry in Delaware. It’s not about “Reaching People and Changing Lives” it’s all about kingdom building, and feeding needs of a central character, the pastor. The problem is the central character is a sinner like the rest of us in the pews, and in a government where there is no oversight, no accountability, the result is corruption. So when land is clear cut in violation of county code… nothing happens. When financial controls are limited and wrought with unreported income and tax evasion…nothing happens. When people are lied to, and fact patterns are “spun” in a building fund drive… nothing happens. What happens…? The people that speak out about these atrocities in Newark, Delaware are labeled as “sewers of discord” and when they leave the ministry they are spiritually executed by P. Wisot. The Bambino | ||
| greaterdisgrace New member Username: greaterdisgrace Post Number: 15 Registered: 6-2006 Posted From: 68.83.114.246 |
If you have found your way here by accident,I would implore you to read further to save your family and your children from a life time of heart ache that you never truely recover from. Up untill about a month or so ago Life Community Church was called Greater Grace. They changed thier name for very good reason. Go back to the top and click on Religious cults and sects then click on Greater Grace World Outreach. From there you can sift through 70,000 or more posts from people who have fled from this cult. I do not use the word cult loosely. It is very subltle at first for those that may have already started going thier. For your childrens sake, please, please read the posts. | ||
| greaterdisgrace New member Username: greaterdisgrace Post Number: 17 Registered: 6-2006 Posted From: 68.83.114.246 |
Concord Monitor and New Hampshire Patriot Monitor Publishing Company P.O. Box 1177 One Monitor Drive Concord, New Hampshire 03302-1177 Main phone number 603-224-5301 Customer service 603-224-4287 Toll free (NH only) 800-464-3415 Business office Fax: 603-228-5868 LACONIA (NH) Concord Monitor By REBECCA TSAROS DICKSON Monitor staff LACONIA - A former deacon of the Bible Speaks Church was found guilty yesterday of having sex with a 13-year-old girl he met through the church. Christopher Rogan, 43, of 24 White Rock Circle, Tilton, was convicted in Belknap County Superior Court of one count of aggravated felonious sexual assault, a Class A felony. He will face 10 to 20 years in state prison at his sentencing Nov. 11. Prosecutors say the victim saw Rogan as a father figure after they met at the church in Lakeport, where he was a deacon. Rogan was accused of assaulting the victim repeatedly from June to September of 2001. Prosecutors say she did not report the abuse until September 2002. Initially, the Belknap County attorney's office brought four aggravated felonious sexual assault charges against Rogan, alleging he engaged in multiple sexual acts with the girl. The additional charges were dismissed, Deputy Belknap County Attorney Wayne Coull said, after questions were raised in court about the frequency of the acts. | ||
| greaterdisgrace New member Username: greaterdisgrace Post Number: 18 Registered: 6-2006 Posted From: 68.83.114.246 |
Did anyone else know about Jesse Anderson-A well known son of a well known pastor of GGWO home church in Baltimore was arrested for Child molestation. You can view him on www.nsopr.gov or www.nsopr.gov/main_frameset.cfm?pageid=16&qid=1 and just search in the Baltimore Md area. He is first on the list. He was involved in with the Youth at GGWO for a very long time. Should we be concerned? | ||
| dancer Advanced Member Username: dancer Post Number: 639 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 68.33.56.239 |
I will post my open letter to IAGM leadership later. Or somebody else can do it for me. I address that whatever group holds Pastor Wisot's license to preach and ordination should take into account those who are concerned about the abuses of the church. Most real ministerial fellowship groups and organizations would be actively involved in such an effort if one of their own was accused of such abuses for the sake of congregation, the organization, and even the well being of the clergy. If Jeff Wisot is claiming an affilation or fellowship with any group the body or fellowship should be seeking out some accountability from Pastor Wisot about these abuses. (Message edited by dancer on June 16, 2006) | ||
| greaterdisgrace New member Username: greaterdisgrace Post Number: 19 Registered: 6-2006 Posted From: 68.83.114.246 |
Is this Baltimore or Newark? In his relations with the members of "his church" … 1 Interfering in certain areas of the private lives of the members of the assembly. 2 Ignoring those individuals who had nothing of interest to bring to him in order to concentrate on those (celebrities in sports, music or christianity, etc) who could in some way could bring him a certain reputation or noteriety in the world and christianity. 3 Emphasis placed upon the vision to the detriment of the condition of the flock. 4 To correct or rebuke people he would not hesitate to use in his preaching stories about people in the church. Even though their names were not used, the situations had been told to him in confidence. 5 A tendency to put aside or isolate those individuals who were not in agreement with his leadership or didn't go along with him. 6 A tendancy to "mark" individuals who represented a threat for his leadership. 7 Using the context of the church to destroy friendships, turning a husband against his wife (or vice-versa) in order to try and control certain situations. 8 He was insecure and would try to exclude strong personalities who risked to take the limelight away from him. 9 A tendancy to seek infromation from individuals (who desired his approval in general and especially with women) in order to know everything, control the church, discredit people who were a problem and use in his messages. His constant quest after information became an encouragement to slandering. 10 Slander, gossip, duplicity, hypocrisy, exageration and lying were for the leader authorised instruments to use because the served the vision and the interests of the ministry. 11 Adept in the art of manipulating the Word of God. Certains messages went against Spirit of the Gospel and would place people under a yoke of an unhealthy fear of God, of accusation and guilt in order to get them to line up in the desired direction and allow him to control them. 12 Using his personality (italian-american) he had the art of manipulating people with "edification" (flattery) in order to obtain what he wanted from them. For example, he would use promotion as the lure (i.e. becoming a pastor) in order to touch their ego and provoque an excessive involvement with the ministry to the detriment of the rest. (work, family life etc..) 13 He developed a strong works program. The week was filled with meetings, classes, services and evangelization often to the detriment of the family life. To not participate was frowned upon and certainly if you were in a leadership position in the church. Through all of this people were often too occupied and cut off in a way from the outside world and rationalized that this would keep adults and youth from getting into trouble outside of the Church. 14 Through his teaching, his way of doing, he was able as the years went by to instill in people a fear of the man of God rather than of God. The result was and attachement and dependence upon the pastor that was not normal. Certain individuals were incapable to know how to make an important decision (marriage, moving etc...) without the approval of the leader. God spoke through the pastor to speak and communicate his will to the believers. Many people would do things in an effort to receive the approval and esteem of the pastor. 15 Using his position he would use people by making them believe the being available to serve the pastor and his wife they were serving God. It was necessary for them to have people to do their housecleaning, wash their car, take care of their yard, cook and serve them, etc... | ||
| greaterdisgrace New member Username: greaterdisgrace Post Number: 20 Registered: 6-2006 Posted From: 68.83.114.246 |
In relation to his position as a leader... 1 Giving the pastor of the church a much too important place. (at the limit cultic) 2 Imposing an exagerated use of the title of Pastor. 3 Abusing his position. The elders, his assistants had merely a figurative role for he always had the last word. 4 By his reactions, making it clear that the Pastor always was right and his dangerous tendancy to believe that he was infallible. 5 No hesitation in abusing the doctrines concerning the pastor to reinforce his position with the assembly in regards to anyone who would guestion him. 6 A tendancy to be dogmatic. 7 Inability to question his own judgments, listen to others or have in sense of self criticism. 8 Justifying his authority, his errors and his peccadillos by a skillful use of the Word of God. He never understood that obediance to authority was not something you demanded from people or imposed upon them like in the army because of a position, but that true authority comes from love and using it in the love and truth of the Holy Spirit. We love and serve Christ because he loved and served us first. | ||
| greaterdisgrace New member Username: greaterdisgrace Post Number: 23 Registered: 6-2006 Posted From: 68.83.114.246 |
be sure to go back and read the Greater Grace Newark threads if this is your first time here. There you will find out why the name change was necessary | ||
| greaterdisgrace New member Username: greaterdisgrace Post Number: 25 Registered: 6-2006 Posted From: 68.83.114.246 |
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| dancer Advanced Member Username: dancer Post Number: 660 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 69.253.30.74 |
Heather and folks from DE know I have asked for some real answers concerning Jeff Wisot and his affilaton to IAGM and Tom Poweell's church. I called 4 Pastor's and called IAGM and wrote 2 emails to all of them. Lets see if they say anything. | ||
| greaterdisgrace Junior Member Username: greaterdisgrace Post Number: 27 Registered: 6-2006 Posted From: 68.83.114.246 |
Click here: Trinity Foundation This is an excellent foundation. This is a good starting place ___Office (214) 827-2625 ___Victim's Helpline 1(800) 229-VICTIM ___e-mail us at pete@trinityfi.org See Also: Questions and Answers about Televangelist Investigations Other Projects: The Dallas Project for the Homeless The Wittenburg Door Have you or someone you know been a victim of religious fraud or observed unethical behavior in a religious ministry? Click one of the following: Report a Quick Tip Report Abuse (anonymously) File a Full Abuse Report | ||
| greaterdisgrace Member Username: greaterdisgrace Post Number: 74 Registered: 6-2006 Posted From: 68.83.109.13 |
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| greaterdisgrace Member Username: greaterdisgrace Post Number: 75 Registered: 6-2006 Posted From: 68.83.109.13 |
If you have found your way here by accident,I would implore you to read further to save your family and your children from a life time of heart ache that you never truely recover from. Up untill about a month or so ago Life Community Church was called Greater Grace. They changed thier name for very good reason. Go back to the top and click on Religious cults and sects then click on Greater Grace World Outreach. From there you can sift through 70,000 or more posts from people who have fled from this cult. I do not use the word cult loosely. It is very subltle at first for those that may have already started attending there. For your childrens sake, please, please read the posts (Message edited by greaterdisgrace on July 29, 2006) | ||
| greaterdisgrace Member Username: greaterdisgrace Post Number: 76 Registered: 6-2006 Posted From: 72.92.15.92 |
greaterdisgrace Member Username: greaterdisgrace Post Number: 75 Registered: 6-2006 Posted From: 68.83.109.13 Posted on Saturday, July 29, 2006 - 8:24 pm: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- If you have found your way here by accident,I would implore you to read further to save your family and your children from a life time of heart ache that you never truely recover from. Up untill about a month or so ago Life Community Church was called Greater Grace. They changed thier name for very good reason. Go back to the top and click on Religious cults and sects then click on Greater Grace World Outreach. From there you can sift through 70,000 or more posts from people who have fled from this cult. I do not use the word cult loosely. It is very subltle at first for those that may have already started attending there. For your childrens sake, please, please read the posts | ||
| dancer Advanced Member Username: dancer Post Number: 753 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 69.253.30.74 |
check local bullitens in Newark, Delaware as WAM ( World Awareness Management) warns the general public of the subtle recruitment agendas of Life Community Church aka Greater Grace of Newark De. Target children in the format of a Vacation Bible School...schmooze the adults...then WAM, you are sucked into the second largest cult in the U,S. and didn't even see the train coming!! | ||
| dancer Advanced Member Username: dancer Post Number: 754 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 69.245.82.42 |
WAM is becoming very active check back here for more. | ||
| whatsup Intermediate Member Username: whatsup Post Number: 221 Registered: 2-2005 Posted From: 24.128.151.124 |
I hardly think that Greater Grace World Outreach is the second largest cult in the U.S.!!!!! | ||
| greaterdisgrace Member Username: greaterdisgrace Post Number: 92 Registered: 6-2006 Posted From: 68.83.109.13 |
How about second largest child molestor haven? tax evaders? scam artists? con artists? money grubers? spouse abusers? Once again, if you have found yourself in the church with the ever changing name,you should consider this your first red flag. Before you are talked into selling your properties,cars, jewelry etc, because "pastah" needs a new "anything" please go back and read the bambino posts. Go back and read the Diane Sawyer interview. Go back and read the numerous articles and especially go back and read the horror stories from families who once attended The Bible speaks aka Greater Grace aka Life Community church. Look up former staff and ask for yourself. Above all, if you see a red flag, have the guts to question it, if not for yourselves, do it for the most innocent of the victims..The children. Ask, ask and ask some more. Dont take anyones word for it, not even mine. Use the brain God gave you, research, call people, ask for yourself. Call local agencies such as NCC police,the AG's office, State police. Where there is that much smoke, there is sure to be a bonfire. Ask yourself why there are so many scriptures quoted or perhaps misquoted, that are meant to stop conversation and questioning. | ||
| greaterdisgrace Member Username: greaterdisgrace Post Number: 93 Registered: 6-2006 Posted From: 68.83.109.13 |
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| greaterdisgrace Member Username: greaterdisgrace Post Number: 94 Registered: 6-2006 Posted From: 68.83.109.13 |
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| greaterdisgrace Member Username: greaterdisgrace Post Number: 95 Registered: 6-2006 Posted From: 68.83.109.13 |
CBS 48hrs Some of Facnet’s Management may be on the CBS 48hrs on Saturday October 28, 2006 10pm ET/PT. The story is on Scientology. So tune in and tape the show. Tell everyone you know. To find out more go on http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/1998/08/01/48hours/main22761.shtml Posted by: Tommy Gorman IMHO Posted by Tom on October 24, 2006. Filed under: News Millions Helped Home Discussion Board Current Newsletter Search Site Map Espanol GermanSpanishFrenchItalianPortugueseJapaneseKoreanChinese (Simplified) Guide to Cults Signs of a Destructive Cult What is Mind Control? Religious Fundamentalism Cult Groups List Terrorism Cults Child Abuse in Cults Cult Recovery Books Terrorism Books Spiritual Safeguards Cult Discussion Board Guide to Cult Recovery The Cult Healing Hub Cult Discussion Board Cult-Help Experts Cult-Help Organizations Cult Support Groups How to be an Activist Recommended Books Internet Resources on Cults Cult Discussion Board Guide to Scientology Scientology & Dianetics Scientology Celebrities Newspaper Articles Scientology Books All the Sites worth Seeing Today's News Cults Cult News Trackers Fundamentalism Mind Control Terrorism Scientology Help Factnet Buy books to donate Make a $ donation Buy Goods to donate Donor & Honor Pages Create a FACTNet Mirror Resources About Mission About FACTNet Constitution Disclaimer Contact FACTNet Ancient History Newsletter Archives FACTnetF.A.C.T.net Inc. Fight Against Coercive Tactics Network Since 1993 We are to destructive cults, fundamentalism, mind control, and mental coercion/torture what Amnesty International is to physical torture | ||
| sofree Member Username: sofree Post Number: 66 Registered: 12-2005 Posted From: 68.49.86.205 |
The babylon pillars of the new $35,000 sign have been set. Wasted money that could buy a new house for the needy. | ||
| greaterdisgrace Intermediate Member Username: greaterdisgrace Post Number: 104 Registered: 6-2006 Posted From: 68.83.109.13 |
You can fool some of the people all of the time you can fool all of the people some of the time but you can't fool all of the people all of the time.....I'm thinking someone is running out of time. | ||
| greaterdisgrace Intermediate Member Username: greaterdisgrace Post Number: 105 Registered: 6-2006 Posted From: 68.83.109.13 |
You can fool some of the people all of the time you can fool all of the people some of the time but you can't fool all of the people all of the time.....I'm thinking someone is running out of time. | ||
| vincer Member Username: vincer Post Number: 76 Registered: 1-2005 Posted From: 205.188.117.202 |
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