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david_mccarthy (david_mccarthy)
New member
Username: david_mccarthy
Post Number: 18
Registered: 11-2004
Posted From: 12.178.96.43
| | Posted on Sunday, February 26, 2006 - 3:08 pm: | 
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This document was presented to students before a recent event called “Blue College”.
Sign it or be kicked out of RSE was the order. Very few students refused to sign.
Divided into in 5 sections to enable posting.
As the water slowly heats up how many frogs will have the strength to hop out?
David McCarthy
Yelm.
Ramtha’s School of Enlightenment
A division of JZK, Inc.
14507YeIm Highway SE
PO Box 1210
Ye1m. WA 98597
360-458-5201 ext. 10
Student Registration Form - Please print clearly
Name (same as on Student ID card) Date of Birth (mm/dd/yy)
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Mailing address Area Code and phone number
Mailing address line 2 Email address
City and State Postal Code and Country
CONDITIONS OF PARTICIPATION
Ramtha’s School of Enlightenment, a division of JZK, Inc. (the "School") is pleased to have you participate in the teachings of Ramtha so long as you make a solemn covenant to abide by these conditions of participation. These conditions apply to students, teachers and other participants in the School. Therefore, as a condition to your participation you must agree to the following:
1. The information and techniques taught here are for your knowledge only. You are licensed to use this information and techniques for your personal use only. You are not authorized to teach or otherwise disseminate through speeches, books, articles, media interviews, or other forms of mass or group distribution (collectively, to "Teach or Disseminate") any information that you learn or teach at the School. By signing these Conditions of Participation you agree not to, directly or indirectly, Teach or Disseminate to others the information and/or techniques that you teach or learn here without the prior written consent of the School, nor shall you assist or facilitate other persons in their dea1ing or dissemination of these matters to others without the prior written consent of the School.
Initials: ______
(Message edited by David McCarthy on February 26, 2006) |
whatchamacallit (whatchamacallit)
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Username: whatchamacallit
Post Number: 4
Registered: 2-2006
Posted From: 68.60.216.8
| | Posted on Wednesday, March 01, 2006 - 5:02 pm: |
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I have a friend, an RSE long time student, who signed it without looking (reading)what the content was. The person was at the event before knowing it was required, and had traveled a long way to get there. |
voidgate (voidgate)
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Username: voidgate
Post Number: 15
Registered: 1-2006
Posted From: 144.138.162.103
| | Posted on Wednesday, March 01, 2006 - 8:39 pm: |
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If a student travels to RSE from downunder the airfare can be between $1500 AUD to $2500 AUD....not to mention accommodation costs. I hardly think anyone is going to travel that distance, find the document objectionable and refuse to sign. It would be honest of RSE either to permit them to attend without signing or refund their travelling expenses. |
david_mccarthy
Intermediate Member
Username: david_mccarthy
Post Number: 109
Registered: 11-2004
Posted From: 66.243.212.109
| | Posted on Friday, August 11, 2006 - 1:36 pm: |
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The "Gag Order"....
When I joined Ramtha's SCHOOL of Enlightenment in 1989 there was no such document to sign..
I suspect that forcing longtime students to sign this document without prior notification and with no student input
was illegal in itself... let alone the legality of the document.
David |
whatchamacallit
Intermediate Member
Username: whatchamacallit
Post Number: 167
Registered: 3-2006
Posted From: 71.235.182.97
| | Posted on Saturday, August 12, 2006 - 12:16 am: |
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The following website lists WA state codes for acts of COERCION, which is illegal. There are 509 results for a search on that word in the law there. As related to the gag order...further research is an option.
I question if this law applies to the gag order? It seems to. The "threat" was expulsion from the school.
RCW 9A.36.070
Coercion.
(1) A person is guilty of COERCION if by use of a threat he compels or induces a person to engage in conduct which the latter has a legal right to abstain from, or to abstain from conduct which he has a legal right to engage in.
(2) "Threat" as used in this section means:
(a) To communicate, directly or indirectly, the intent immediately to use force against any person who is present at the time; or
(b) Threats as defined in *RCW 9A.04.110(25) (a), (b), or (c).
(3) COERCION IS A GROSS MISDEMEANOR.
[1975 1st ex.s. c 260 § 9A.36.070.]
Notes:
*Reviser's note: RCW 9A.04.110 was amended by 2005 c 458 § 3, changing subsection (25) to subsection (26).
http://search.leg.wa.gov/pub/textsearch/default.asp?Cmd=Query
WAC 388-78A-2020 Definitions."Abandonment" means action or inaction by a person with a duty of care for a vulnerable adult that leaves the vulnerable person without the means or ability to obtain necessary food, clothing, shelter, or health care.
"Abuse" means the willful action or inaction that inflicts injury, unreasonable confinement, intimidation, or punishment on a resident. In instances of abuse of a resident who is unable to express or demonstrate physical harm, pain, or mental anguish, the abuse is presumed to cause physical harm, pain, or mental anguish. Abuse includes sexual abuse, mental abuse, physical abuse, and exploitation of a resident, which have the following meanings:
(1) "Mental abuse" means any willful action or inaction of mental or verbal abuse. Mental abuse includes, but is not limited to, COERCION, harassment, inappropriately isolating a resident from family, friends, or regular activity, and verbal assault that includes ridiculing, intimidating, yelling, or swearing;
(2) "Physical abuse" means the willful action of inflicting bodily injury or physical mistreatment. Physical abuse includes, but is not limited to, striking with or without an object, slapping, pinching, choking, kicking, shoving, prodding, or the use of chemical restraints or physical restraints;
(c) "Mental abuse" means any willful action or inaction of mental or verbal abuse. Mental abuse includes, but is not limited to, coercion, harassment, inappropriately isolating a vulnerable adult from family, friends, or regular activity, and verbal assault that includes ridiculing, intimidating, yelling, or swearing.
RCW 74.34.020
Definitions. |
mathew_morrell
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Username: mathew_morrell
Post Number: 25
Registered: 7-2006
Posted From: 12.73.196.209
| | Posted on Saturday, August 12, 2006 - 12:46 am: |
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If we could crawl into the skin of the average RSE student, we would be able to understand their reason for signing the CONDITIONS OF PARTICIPATION form, which is a contract that limits their ability to disseminate information taught at retreats.
In their minds they’re initiates---not normal people. They’re special, they think, because they’ve undergone the required training exercises and are therefore enlightened enough to understand and properly comprehend the information taught at the Ranch. They’ve been initiated, as opposed to the normal person who hasn’t. Therefore the RSE student feels that he must keep the teachings secret, or as they say: Keep the teaching’s pure. This is done in order to keep the uninitiated humanity from abusing or misusing their special knowledge.
In essence the cultist lives in a fantasy world, or rather a shared fantasy in which more than one person is collectively involved. In the case of RSE, you have thousands: a whole community in the Yelm are believing that they’re initiates, that they’re master is an ascended god, and that the information that they receive from the Ranch is Top Secret. The secrecy is all apart of their fantasy. Once initiated, not only their lives changed, but their reality. Suddenly they’re no longer an over worked secretary, or a bored house wife, or a frustrated divorce, they’re prophets of a dawning new age.
Collective illusion-making is a fascinating dynamic of a cult, RSE included; the delusions aren’t lived by a single individual. The illusions are reinforced by the community. When you have thousands of people all thinking the same thought and feeling the same emotions that creates a very powerful dynamic, a group soul. Although powerful, it hinders individuation of the ego, stunts personal growth, and makes having an ego wholly un-necessary. Thinking, willing and feeling is taken over by a collective organization of souls bound together by a thread of like-mindedness. The ego is absolved of the responsibility of having to think for itself; in effect, submerges into un-conscious state highly susceptible to brainwashing techniques.
The “cultist” becomes, in Tomberg terms, a herd animal, “negating all that is individual and aristocratic in favor of devoting oneself all-the-more-strongly to a pride that is sub-individual and collectivized.”
(Message edited by mathew_morrell on August 12, 2006) |
david_mccarthy
Intermediate Member
Username: david_mccarthy
Post Number: 110
Registered: 11-2004
Posted From: 66.243.212.109
| | Posted on Saturday, August 12, 2006 - 3:16 am: |
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mathew,
I remember well the exhilaration of being called a “Master”….
We were the “Gathering of the Eagles”…
I had won the spiritual jackpot… nothing was impossible,
My dream of a Shangri-La was to be built in a town called Yelm..
“Ramtha” had returned to save us.. and we were ready to march into enlightenment,
Our collective illusions were honed and enforced into an unquestionable mindset of loyalty and obedience to RSE………
I was so special I could hardly contain myself…
Then one fine morning I realized my children had grown up without me..
That my Shangri-La was building another mega car park and super store..
That my friends were taking Prozac and drinking themselves into a stupor..
That my life was governed by impossible spiritual rules and disciplines..
That year after year a new scam would arrive to rob us of our money and dignity..
Now I question…
For how long do we collectively allow the RSE madness to continue?
David.
(Message edited by David McCarthy on August 12, 2006) |
in_the_zone
Junior Member
Username: in_the_zone
Post Number: 27
Registered: 6-2006
Posted From: 67.176.40.134
| | Posted on Saturday, August 12, 2006 - 12:55 pm: |
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My wife reminded me of an experience I had told her about from the field and I'd like to share it.
In 2005, I went from beginner to graduate. I was at my 4th event of the year, Future Now in November. It was the last day of the event. I had already decided I was graduating myself from the School of Masterful Delusions, aka RSE.
Everybody was on the field. It was raining. I was not getting anywhere. I thought it was all BS and I was bored to tears. Then I started thinking about making love to my wife as I'm meandering through the crowd. I really got into it all the way. In fact, there was no difference between my experience on that field and the real thing. I was analogical with my wife.
Anyway, eventually they called the field and people milled back into the arena. And I noticed something very interesting. Lots of women smiled at me. Women of all ages and sizes and languages. For the rest of the day, women smiled at me, sweet smiles, some smiles of longing, as if they all knew me and had been intimate with me.
Needless to say, it was enjoyable and fortunately I am married to a beautiful woman who has not one ounce of jealosy in her. |
david_mccarthy
Intermediate Member
Username: david_mccarthy
Post Number: 112
Registered: 11-2004
Posted From: 66.243.212.109
| | Posted on Saturday, August 12, 2006 - 1:14 pm: |
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in_the_zone,
On a darker note...
You had better not tell Ramtha.....
In a very recent event "Ramtha" slammed a male student physically in the stomach
and ridiculed him for fantasizing about other women,
"Ramtha" told his wife to find another husband..
This occured in front of the students including his wife and their children...
More sick and dangerous meddling by JZ Knight…
David
(Message edited by David McCarthy on August 12, 2006) |
mathew_morrell
Junior Member
Username: mathew_morrell
Post Number: 26
Registered: 7-2006
Posted From: 12.73.198.8
| | Posted on Sunday, August 13, 2006 - 1:50 am: |
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Again, the objective of Ramtha’s School of Enlightenment is to ensnare people in fantasy; or to be more exact, ensnare them in a philosophy in which fantasy supplants objective truth as the basis of reality. In JZs philosophy, there is no truth, nor objective reality. There are only individual realities based on a person’s subjective understanding. Therefore fantasy is reality; a sort of Eighth Sphere in which the soul is unable to differentiate between what belongs to reality and what is merely thought.
The word Eight Sphere is an old occult term from the nineteenth century. Today we might use the term “virtual reality” to describe the type of realm that the RSE student aims for in his/her spiritual practices. Their aim is not to live according to divine principles, after all. It is to give substantiality and dimension to fantasies; it is to exist on a plane of being where their own personal desires manifest themselves without limit; it is to replace a world based on divine principles with a world in which their subjective thoughts may achieve instantaneous gratification; where they live as if in a dream, without pain or suffering and without karmic atonement; where they may live eternally in the illusion of their own making. Ultimately, the purpose of the Eighth Sphere is to exist in a reality based on egotistical desires, where egotism reaches its fullest possible manifestation. Here man subjects himself to the hell of his own egotism. |
whatchamacallit
Intermediate Member
Username: whatchamacallit
Post Number: 171
Registered: 3-2006
Posted From: 71.235.182.97
| | Posted on Sunday, August 13, 2006 - 8:56 am: |
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I haven't heard of that before, Mathew (eighth sphere). Interesting reading. It certainly fits, too.
That's such an irony...with Joe being booted out of the school, and blame assigned to his huge ego needs. When in fact, it certainly seems that the teacher and business owner have the biggest egos I've ever seen. Plus they treat people like cattle, and with little emotion except anger when they don't get their way. So much for having one's own reality and creations ! They are conditional upon approval by the Clique and Social Consciousness of RSE.
The way the students will turn on a non-conformer, is frightening if not dangerous. What I witnessed with the Dr. Joe incident is one example of that. |
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