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     sky265 (sky265) New member Username: sky265 Post Number: 1 Registered: 2-2006 Posted From: 24.115.195.147 |
Hello. I'm new here and I have been trying to find something or anything on Harold Camping. My husband has started listening to this guy for quite awaile now and some of the things he has said, I do not agree with. I'm looking for someone to give me any information at all on this guy. Opinions, suggestions, ANYTHING! I'm very scared of the way he is making my husband think these days. Thank you and God Bless | ||
| lookatall (lookatall) Intermediate Member Username: lookatall Post Number: 263 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 69.114.115.115 |
Hi sky, Harold Camping has caused a lot of commotion because he has come up with some radical notions, and his high profile talk show "Open Forum" is widely heard in the US and round the world, as opposed to many religious groups whose ideas are not heard much outside their circle. Here are a few things he did that caused an uproar. 1. In 1984 he wrote a book that said the world was going to end. He never apologised for saying that. 2. A few years ago he said that the Holy Spirit was no longer present in traditional churches and all believers should leave the churches which were all and without exception apostate.. 3. He recently started predicting that the world will end in 2011. I think he creates quite a wedge in families and in churches when listeners take him seriously. He has caused a huge upheaval at Family Radio and much of the staff have left, including a few outstanding bible teachers. That said, he does have a lot of bible knowledge and is fearless in his presentation. He does call for Christians to follow a polarised brand of Christianity with no compromise. I find elements of his message to be challenging but I dont think he fully understands or perhaps does not care about the damage that some of his strongly spoken doctrines can cause as in your case. It might be helpful if you could speak with a pastor about the alienation problem. If you feel strongly you could call into the talk show and talk to Harold Camping on air, and explain the problem. Even if he doenst answer you, you will have made a point that might speak to other listeners. | ||
| easeltine (easeltine) Senior Member Username: easeltine Post Number: 1043 Registered: 5-2005 Posted From: 64.136.27.225 |
Sky, Harold Camping is also another one of these personalities on the Radio/T.V. that do not set a good example of marriage in their personal lives. | ||
| sky265 (sky265) New member Username: sky265 Post Number: 2 Registered: 2-2006 Posted From: 72.70.194.91 |
Thank you so much for your feedback on this subject. Everything that you are saying is true. The more he listens, the more that we argue about what Camping is saying. He has always had the same beliefs as I do but now,he is afraid to go to church. He has tried to encourage my son, who is 20 not to go to church either but he is still going. I have given examples out of the bible that contradicts what Camping has said and he still seems to come up with an excuse as to what Camping is saying. It is very hard to deal with at times. I just keep praying that he will come around and see that this guy is not right in a lot of what he says. Anyway, thx again for your input. I really appreciate your time! God Bless | ||
| hadasa (hadasa) Intermediate Member Username: hadasa Post Number: 263 Registered: 6-2005 Posted From: 205.172.107.75 |
is--he-the- guy--that---talks-----like----this anyone telling people across the board that all Churches are off and that one shouldn't go to any; got's serious problems run, don't walk from Harold | ||
| lookatall (lookatall) Intermediate Member Username: lookatall Post Number: 264 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 69.114.115.115 |
A good compromise right now would be for you to attend church with your 20 year old son, and also he is old enough for you to tell him that you disagree with Harold's ideas about church, and how they have affected your husband. Sorry the book was 1994, not 1984. I would also talk to your pastor and pray with Christian friends. You need support as your relationship with your husband is not the same right now. However, he is likely to come through this, just be careful you dont get pulled into it. As a Christian I believe that the world will end at some time, but that as it says in the bible no person knows when. Some point to the fig tree as being Israel becoming a nation. Still we cant know the date,Harold has already been wrong once, and it is not right that his doctrines should disrupt your marriage. Camping does have this powerful effect on people that is similar to brainwashing. I think he beleives in what he teaches but that does not make all of it correct. | ||
| sky265 (sky265) New member Username: sky265 Post Number: 3 Registered: 2-2006 Posted From: 69.72.23.215 |
lookatall...I agree it is similar to brainwashing. He is a very powerful man on that radio station. I am going to church with my son. I just can't go every Sunday. I'm just praying everyday that he will stop listening to this guy. I will not get sucked into that way of thinking. No matter what! I disagree with all of what he says. THX for your reply! Just talking about it helps! | ||
| wyoming (wyoming) Advanced Member Username: wyoming Post Number: 655 Registered: 9-2005 Posted From: 199.156.164.245 |
Sky, Do not violate God's chain of command by going to your minister without your husband. It would undermine your marriage. You and your husband must work this out yourself in the spirit of love and grace. Learning to cope with it can be a growing experience for you. Harold Camping may not be ALL right [I don't care for him either] but he may not be ALL wrong. There may be some truth in what he says about organized religion -- I haven't heard him on that subject yet but many churches are really a mess. There have been numerous Bible exegesis that clarify that "end of the world" really means "end of the age". The new heaven and the new earth are going to be located in the same places they already exist. A good compromise for the both of you right now would be for your husband to agree to fellowship in a house church. There is a FactNet thread for supporters of the house church movement. You might find one in your area by searching this directory. http://www.housechurchcentral.com/directory/index.html And check out their site. House churches are independent and unaffiliated. There's one in Lusby. Call Chris at 410-326-1869. Alan http://www.ChurchGrowth.CC (Message edited by Wyoming on February 21, 2006) | ||
| lookatall (lookatall) Intermediate Member Username: lookatall Post Number: 297 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 69.114.115.115 |
Sky, I would not normally advocate going to your pastor without your husband, but if you trust your pastor as a teacher and shepherd, one of the functions of a pastor is to protect their flock from false teachers. There are several scriptural references for this. You could take a trusted friend with you. Your husband, under the influence of Camping is now trying to persuade you of false doctrines. If the person above has not had experience with brainwashing he or she may find the suggestion I have given you difficult to comprehend. That poster's suggestion that "it would undermine your marriage" shows a lack of understanding that this has already happened. I think that Mr Camping has a profoundly disruptive impact on marriages, but because he was never accountable to churches for the book 1994, then he does not seem to accept any responsibity for undermining marriages either. It seems that the poster above does agree strongly with certain elements of Campings teachings, to do with meeting in homes. "Chris" may not be qualified as a shepherd to help you. Better to go to someone you already trust than someone you dont know. | ||
| wyoming (wyoming) Advanced Member Username: wyoming Post Number: 658 Registered: 9-2005 Posted From: 199.156.164.245 |
Sky, I came out of a cult where the ministers are counselling other men's wives and daughters outside of God's order and it has torn many families apart. Your pastor cannot be objective about this because he is an advocate for his job and his institution. Neither you nor us know the truth about your husband. Work it out together! The more you listen to us, the more you will become confused. FORGET US. Search the scripture regarding God's order for husbands and wives and pray about it. . (Message edited by Wyoming on February 22, 2006) | ||
| sky265 (sky265) New member Username: sky265 Post Number: 4 Registered: 2-2006 Posted From: 69.72.109.158 |
Thanks to both of you! I appreciate your input in this. I am certainly praying about it and searching the scripture. To me, someone that is going to tell you NOT to go to church is not someone that I want to listen to. I'm sure there are problems in a lot of churches but you can't loop them all in one. There are bad and good churches out there. lookatall is right about meeting in homes. I feel that we should go to "God's house" and not my house or someone elses house for that matter. JMO and therefore if all my husband is getting is what he is hearing from Camping coming across the radio station...that to me is a form of brainwashing. He is very convincing in what he says. (camping) but what he does say, there is nothing to back up his claims. Anyway, thx again for your input. I will take it all in and make a decision and of course keep praying about this. | ||
| lookatall (lookatall) Intermediate Member Username: lookatall Post Number: 298 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 69.114.115.115 |
Actually I think your pastor can be objective about this, unless he too is a fan of Harold Camping. (highly unlikely if he is a pastor) Wyoming, do you feel comfortable about saying what cult you were in? At least churches usually have doctrinal statements to which they can be held. The true doctrine of cults is hidden, and invites corruption and abuses of power.. | ||
| wyoming (wyoming) Advanced Member Username: wyoming Post Number: 663 Registered: 9-2005 Posted From: 199.156.164.245 |
Look, The church meets where 2 or 3 are gathered in his name. http://www.mauricejohnsonarchives.com/whoswho.htm I was in a group that used to meet under God's Grace. We only met in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and would not incorporate with Caesar. We would only rent facilities. The person who inspired us was in this ministry from 1925 to 1970. There was a big split in 1985 when the young lions hyjacked the assemblies and turned them into a cult. Those of us who are marked to be avoided by the group are posting at Robert A. Grove Ministries, Inc. This is the way it used to be: http://www.MauriceJohnsonArchives.com This is what we are dealing with now: http://churchgrowth.cc/content_cult_RAG.htm In the case of Sky, I want to emphasize that she not violate the sanctity of marriage according to Ephesians and the Pastoral Epistles. If she goes behind her husband's back to go to her minister, how do you think her husband will respond? Chances are it will drive a wedge between them. She must first honor her husband in the chain of command. That's scripture! She can exercise virtue as a Christian woman. There are ways she can appeal to him in Christian humility and not come across that she is trying to usurp him and trying to be his spiritual head. The emotional fixation on Harold Camping has very little value in comparisson to the value of her marriage. Also, watch yourself with your prejudices when you are counselling. Counsellors are not to come to conclusions until they have heard both parties. The objective picture is almost always changed when you finally hear both sides. Above all, do not give counsel that goes against scripture. http://churchgrowth.cc/Scroll%20of%20Book%20Reviews.htm#Competent --Alan. (Message edited by Wyoming on February 23, 2006) | ||
| sky265 (sky265) New member Username: sky265 Post Number: 5 Registered: 2-2006 Posted From: 69.72.23.116 |
I don't really think anyone is meaning any harm in what they are telling me and besides, it is ultimately MY decision as to how I handle this. I agree with going behind my husband's back to a pt. If it is maybe going to "help" him then sometimes you have to do what you feel is right also. I have yet to come to ANY decision because I am reading scripture and praying like I said. I'm working on talking to him about what I read and trying to make him see that not all of what Camping is saying is in scripture. Right now, thats how I am handling it. right or wrong! It gets hard to deal with sometimes because he believes in what that guy is saying so much that I think I'm maybe not getting through but all I can do is keep trying right now. God Bless | ||
| lookatall (lookatall) Intermediate Member Username: lookatall Post Number: 300 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 69.114.115.115 |
Wyoming, I am sorry you had this bad experience. This teacher, Maurice Johnston who died many years ago, seemed to be saying the same thing though as Harold Camping. - that no churches are still Christian. Yes, it is YOUR decison sky. Never give up your right to hear directly from God yourself. | ||
| wyoming (wyoming) Advanced Member Username: wyoming Post Number: 668 Registered: 9-2005 Posted From: 199.156.164.245 |
No... Maurice Johnson had the doctrine of Grace and although the churches have real problems in sectarianism, he acknowledges that most Christians are in the denominations and that ALL Christians are brethren and belong to the one true church in spite of their sectarianism. Did you read the Sin of Sectarianism? What about those guys? http://www.mauricejohnsonarchives.com/Content_Sin_of_Sect.htm (Message edited by Wyoming on February 24, 2006) | ||
| lookatall (lookatall) Intermediate Member Username: lookatall Post Number: 306 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 69.114.115.115 |
Wyoming, glad I was mistaken. does Mr Johnston still have many followers? | ||
| wyoming (wyoming) Advanced Member Username: wyoming Post Number: 669 Registered: 9-2005 Posted From: 67.170.149.175 |
At the time of the split, there were at least 2000 of us in about a dozen assemblies, mostly in California, Texas, and Virginia. About 40% of us were marked to be avoided in 1985-86 became we charged the new leadership with undermining what we once had. Maurice Johnson is rolling over in his grave. We are not man-followers. We followed Christ along with him, as he followed Christ. Besides the sin of division in the Church, the big tragedy is that we're all heavily intermarried and families were split. Very few families were able to get out clean with their entire family. We got out clean. Parents, children, and inlaws are marked to be avoided and fear runs rampant in the cult. Today, they even encourage wives to leave their husbands if they don't support the "leadership". We're now scattered to the four winds. Some tried to meet together but it didn't last. Some of us won't go to denominational churches and some of us will find other Christians who meet in simplicity. Some folks -- the younger generation, over-reacted with their new found freedom. The remnants have some contact with one another through the earlier inter-marrying. We have a camp meeting in July in Bend, Oregon, where half of the 300 in attendence are either related or old friends. Today someone told me that Harold Camping is dead and his tapes are being played on the radio. I couldn't stand his cold hearted deep monotone voice, therefore I used to avoid him. Alan, in Vancouver, WA | ||
| 40days40years (40days40years) Intermediate Member Username: 40days40years Post Number: 331 Registered: 1-2006 Posted From: 65.147.95.245 |
Sky, Harold Camping is an extreme calvinist who believes if your meant to be saved you will be saved if your meant to be damned that is the way it is. He violated scripture in the past when he set dates on the Lords return and was proven wrong. Have you ever listened to him and his radio program and those associated with him? Everyone talks in a dry monotone/religous tone when talking scripture or the bible. Go with your husband but maybe pray and fast a little. In your prayer closet you as an individual believer have the authority to rebuke any demonic powers or influences over your husband deceiving him in the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth. Believe in that authority it will work. Say something like, any demonic authority or principality deluding my husband I rebuke you in the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth, he is under the blood of Jesus Christ, the Lord rebuke you, be gone. Keep it up and your husband will be free I believe it. | ||
| 40days40years (40days40years) Intermediate Member Username: 40days40years Post Number: 332 Registered: 1-2006 Posted From: 65.147.95.245 |
Sky, one more suggestion for you. Tell your husband to go to yahoo and type in the name Harold Camping and read the many articles that come up. | ||
| lookatall (lookatall) Intermediate Member Username: lookatall Post Number: 307 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 69.114.115.115 |
Alan, Separation of families is the worst aspect of cults. I cannot imagine what you and others there have been through. One of the worst things is that people outside cults just cannot understand this, and you cant share it too much. Fear is the main tool that cults use. Brainwashing is the vehicle of fear. Were you an adult when you entered this group? I think Harold Camping is still alive and is suffering from bad judgement at his advanced age. | ||
| mike_s New member Username: mike_s Post Number: 1 Registered: 12-2007 Posted From: 71.84.170.111 |
I have been on my own study of the advent of Christ.With the events of late and in particular of Pakastan combined with all the hype of 2012 we can imagine not nessesarly conclude that Harold me be close this time. My thoughts extend to winter Solstise intersecting with Hannaka 2011. For your self count back 1260 days and make a mark on your calenderfor events,AND REMEMBER ITS NOT TO KNOW. ITS OURS TO SEE SO THAT WE MIGHT BRING THE MESSAGE OF THE GOSPEL TO ALL THE WORLD. | ||
| prettynes New member Username: prettynes Post Number: 1 Registered: 1-2008 Posted From: 70.107.202.188 |
you guys need to get a life. he's telling the truth if you don't like him we don't give a damn and just don't listen . haters probarly mad because he figured the day of doomsday way before you | ||
| chasbro New member Username: chasbro Post Number: 2 Registered: 1-2008 Posted From: 141.150.88.96 |
Real intelligent.....LIKE HIM? Was he telling the truth in 1994? He was WRONG then and will be wrong in 2011.Not one,I repeat not one Bible scholar agrees with HCs unique,sole method of interpreting the Bible.Is he truthful? Camping still denies that a reporter from the Christian Research Journal, who wrote an article about him, in the Summer of 1993 issue ever talked to him although the reporter has a tape recording of his conversation with Camping and phone bills to prove it. Camping believes that the reporter must have sliced together a tape recording of him. A small portion of this tape was played on the "Bible Answer Man Show" to prove that the reporter did indeed talk to Camping. A copy of this show may be purchased from the Christian Research Institute (P.O.Box 500, San Juan Capistrano, CA., 92693.) You can judge for yourself who is telling the truth. Inside sources also confirm the accuracy of the article. O yeah we who expose this nut are real MAD because HE figured out the day of doomsday. Jesus couldn't....But of that day and that hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels which are in heaven, neither the Son, but the Father. Mark 13:32 (King James Version) King James Version (KJV) Harold Camping can.Yeah, ok, I'll get a life.Its obvious U don't give a damn because U HC automatons are incapable of LIVING in this world U just need that cosmic BOOM! This age will end soon but Harold Camping will have ended way before. If U have the integrity, read the facts AT (http://www.scionofzion.com/depart_out.html) or do you just not LIKE ME? | ||
| chasbro New member Username: chasbro Post Number: 3 Registered: 1-2008 Posted From: 141.150.88.96 |
This is the easiest way to access the site.....I PRAY U have the courage to do it. http://www.scionofzion.com |
