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bluewater2 (bluewater2)
Intermediate Member
Username: bluewater2
Post Number: 170
Registered: 1-2006
Posted From: 66.75.252.89
| | Posted on Saturday, February 11, 2006 - 10:54 am: | 
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The pastor at San Diego HOP, Jeffrey Figueroa, had a sermon 2 Sundays ago and was telling all of the people in the church how to dress, that women should wear bras so that their "headlights" don't show, (his words), and that men should never go without shirts so that women don't lust after them. The thing that scared me most was that he said, "If I ever discipline your child it is ok because it is as if God did it." Sounds like a false profit to me. Kind of freaky. |
nikita (nikita)
Intermediate Member
Username: nikita
Post Number: 372
Registered: 11-2004
Posted From: 67.167.68.209
| | Posted on Saturday, February 11, 2006 - 11:19 am: |
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...false profit is putting it mildly!
Man, just more bad press for Christianity. Its people like this Pastor, that turn people off to Jesus. You're right, hes freaky.
This is not what Jesus is all about.
...and bluewater2, I thought you were not a Christian? If you are not, why are you going to a church? If you are curious, and want to go to church, at least go to a good one.
If you are just trying to bash Christians, then ...I don't know what to tell you.
If you live in that area and want a GOOD church to try....let me know. However, if you are just trying to come up with more ammo to bash Christians, then tsk..tsk.
Peace |
rachellengland (rachellengland)
Intermediate Member
Username: rachellengland
Post Number: 218
Registered: 1-2006
Posted From: 69.214.15.45
| | Posted on Saturday, February 11, 2006 - 1:26 pm: |
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nikita you and I know this pastor sounds like a jerk and yes there are a few out there-but people like bluewater enjoy finding these characters and then making it look as if all christian ministers are this foolish-far from it- I know many awesome men and women of God who can touch hearts and help lead people in th RIGHT direction and are doing great things in the name of GOD to make a difference in the world! |
nikita (nikita)
Intermediate Member
Username: nikita
Post Number: 374
Registered: 11-2004
Posted From: 67.167.68.209
| | Posted on Saturday, February 11, 2006 - 1:55 pm: |
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I know rachel, it was my way of showing what bluewater2 was actually doing. Trying to bash Christians again, by using that freaky example of a pastor.
And its really a shame. Instead of bluewater2 trying to bash Christianity, he could at least use all of that energy to find out the truth.
I guess, he has never heard the good news, or taken the time to read some of it(not all of it.) here on factnet.
It just seems to me, that if someone told you all this great stuff, about Jesus,and how all that stuff about judgement, and punishment, that some people preach, is just not true,....It just seems to me that IF I were NOT a Christian, I would be trying to prove that all this good news was TRUE. I don't think I would be wasting my time, trying to PROVE that is wasn't.
(Message edited by nikita on February 11, 2006) |
rachellengland (rachellengland)
Intermediate Member
Username: rachellengland
Post Number: 219
Registered: 1-2006
Posted From: 69.214.15.45
| | Posted on Saturday, February 11, 2006 - 2:28 pm: |
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I agree with you! |
bluewater2 (bluewater2)
Intermediate Member
Username: bluewater2
Post Number: 172
Registered: 1-2006
Posted From: 66.75.252.89
| | Posted on Saturday, February 11, 2006 - 2:29 pm: |
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You guys are so blinded by Xtianity that you sound like you are almost defending this guy and the church. I did not go there, my aunt did. She is, as I have been, trying to understand the bizarre behaviors of her son since he joined this church. I didn't say I went. I know that this is a perverted church, with perverted interpretation of the bible, which is bizarre enough on it's own without having to add to it. BTW, I think that anything good that Christians take responsibility for happened IN SPITE of Christianity, not because of it. |
rachellengland (rachellengland)
Intermediate Member
Username: rachellengland
Post Number: 221
Registered: 1-2006
Posted From: 69.214.15.45
| | Posted on Saturday, February 11, 2006 - 2:44 pm: |
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hahahha-Nikita and I would never defend a guy like that!! We are both strong women who would never put up with that macho crap!!Christians do many good things in the name of their faith- quit focusing on the negative all the time-talk about the minister who lives down in the ghetto and helps the poor or the ones who are counselors helping people get off drugs and alcohol-bluewater who cares if it's done in the name of christianity-if it's good let it be it's
worth it- if some
ones life is turned around for the better! |
bluewater2 (bluewater2)
Intermediate Member
Username: bluewater2
Post Number: 173
Registered: 1-2006
Posted From: 66.75.252.89
| | Posted on Saturday, February 11, 2006 - 3:01 pm: |
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I thought this was a forum to discuss and expose cults, not stand on a soap box and profess the great things done in the name of Xtianity. If Christianity was so wonderful you and your pal nikita wouldn't spend so much time on a cult awareness forum beating me up because I expose cultish behavior at a Christian church. Why don't you just let Christianity and all of it's mutations speak for themselves. |
bluewater2 (bluewater2)
Intermediate Member
Username: bluewater2
Post Number: 174
Registered: 1-2006
Posted From: 66.75.252.89
| | Posted on Saturday, February 11, 2006 - 3:38 pm: |
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That was uncalled for, themill. I am not in your camp, obviously. |
nikita (nikita)
Intermediate Member
Username: nikita
Post Number: 375
Registered: 11-2004
Posted From: 67.167.68.209
| | Posted on Saturday, February 11, 2006 - 3:44 pm: |
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Bluewater2
I don't think anybody was beating YOU up. Unless you think tsk, tsk, (thats what I posted) was beating you up.
Oh and themill, not that this is any of your business, but I am not fat, I'm thin. I don't think Rachel is fat either.
...that was pretty strange....why, did it sound like we said something fat???lol. Christians can be thin and beautiful.
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bluewater2 (bluewater2)
Intermediate Member
Username: bluewater2
Post Number: 176
Registered: 1-2006
Posted From: 66.75.252.89
| | Posted on Saturday, February 11, 2006 - 3:56 pm: |
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THEMILL. Please contribute to the site in a more constructive way. |
rachellengland (rachellengland)
Intermediate Member
Username: rachellengland
Post Number: 222
Registered: 1-2006
Posted From: 69.214.15.45
| | Posted on Saturday, February 11, 2006 - 3:56 pm: |
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Actually mill-we don't really have to defend ourselves but both Nikita and I modeled and not plus size-hahaha-I think you must be board today!!!!
Bluewater, I didn't mean to sound as if I was beating you up. I came to this forum because I did have a loved one who died because of cultic involvement. I speak out against many of cults such as christian science and fundamentalism of any kind. But true Christianity isn't cultic-it has set many people free and they live fuller happier lives because of their faith in God and it's not hurting you any because of it!!!! |
nikita (nikita)
Intermediate Member
Username: nikita
Post Number: 376
Registered: 11-2004
Posted From: 67.167.68.209
| | Posted on Saturday, February 11, 2006 - 4:00 pm: |
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....anyway bluewater2,
people SHOULD expose cultish behavior. All of Christianity does not teach things like you posted abouve. Maybe you should learn more about Christianity. It sounds like there is alot that you don't know. |
bluewater2 (bluewater2)
Intermediate Member
Username: bluewater2
Post Number: 177
Registered: 1-2006
Posted From: 66.75.252.89
| | Posted on Saturday, February 11, 2006 - 4:00 pm: |
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This is an HOP thread started by me because I want to know more about them. You always take these threads off course in your defense of Xtianity. No problem. It speaks volumes. And I expect that you and nikita are foxes. |
bluewater2 (bluewater2)
Intermediate Member
Username: bluewater2
Post Number: 178
Registered: 1-2006
Posted From: 66.75.252.89
| | Posted on Saturday, February 11, 2006 - 4:02 pm: |
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I know alot about Christianity, believe me. And yes, there are some really nice Christians out there. I just don't give Christianity the credit. I don't care what someone believes in as long as they are good people. |
nikita (nikita)
Intermediate Member
Username: nikita
Post Number: 379
Registered: 11-2004
Posted From: 67.167.68.209
| | Posted on Saturday, February 11, 2006 - 4:09 pm: |
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Bluewater2
yeah, but do you know any of the good stuff or, have you just heard all of those judgement and condemnation teachings?
peace. |
bluewater2 (bluewater2)
Intermediate Member
Username: bluewater2
Post Number: 180
Registered: 1-2006
Posted From: 66.75.252.89
| | Posted on Saturday, February 11, 2006 - 4:19 pm: |
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I know lots of good people that happen to be Christians as well. And I know that some churches are led by good and charismatic speakers who get a message across about love, etc, etc. But again, I just don't think that good things happen in SOME churches, or that good people are good because they are Christian. I just happen to think that they would be better people without it. Unfortunately, and of course, Christians will never see this because "they are in it", true peace and tollerance comes from living without god, without Christianity or any of the other revealed religions. That is my belief, my experience, and my reality. And yes, I KNOW and UNDERSTAND Christianity. Thank you. |
nikita (nikita)
Intermediate Member
Username: nikita
Post Number: 380
Registered: 11-2004
Posted From: 67.167.68.209
| | Posted on Saturday, February 11, 2006 - 4:34 pm: |
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..really bluewater2, I respect your beliefs.
Its just that so many people that I know, thought that they understood Christianity, too. Even me!
Someone asked me once, what I knew about Jesus? Then, after I told them, they proceeded to tell me everything that I did not know! whew!!! I was amazed!
I was one of the biggest unbelievers around. I really was into modeling, and I can tell you,... that is a whole different world. Lots of unbelievers in that line of work.
I don't want to force anything on anybody. Its just that what I have learned, about Jesus is awsome and wonderful.
Peace |
bluewater2 (bluewater2)
Intermediate Member
Username: bluewater2
Post Number: 183
Registered: 1-2006
Posted From: 66.75.252.89
| | Posted on Saturday, February 11, 2006 - 4:44 pm: |
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I think Jesus was a wonderful human being, really I do. But that is all I believe. He has things to teach us, like so many other teachers to learn from. I, however, do not buy the Only Son Of God thing, or resurection, etc. Now, I am not trying to give you the impression that I am smarter than you, or know more, because you are probably a wonderful person, and I am sure not an oinker
:-), but I used to believe all of that stuff. I stumbled upon Christianity when I was on a spiritual journey as a younger person in a mainstream church, nothing extreme. I found that I appreciate Jesus more now, KNOWING he was a human, then I did before. I guess, and again, not to act like I know more than you, have grown above and beyond that. I feel that I now see what ALL religions are, just one step on a journey. Unfortunately, for many, it is the last step they take and die believing in life after death . . . . and it never comes. And yes, models are a bunch of crazies. I can just see it in their eyes in the Victoria Secret catalogue. |
nikita (nikita)
Intermediate Member
Username: nikita
Post Number: 381
Registered: 11-2004
Posted From: 67.167.68.209
| | Posted on Saturday, February 11, 2006 - 4:54 pm: |
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....well bluewater2, it is my most sincere hope, that along your journey, you go back, and perhaps..find out something that you might have missed along the way.. about what Jesus really is all about.
Peace |
rachellengland (rachellengland)
Intermediate Member
Username: rachellengland
Post Number: 226
Registered: 1-2006
Posted From: 69.214.15.45
| | Posted on Saturday, February 11, 2006 - 4:56 pm: |
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Jesus was unbelievable and He gave His life for you! I'm so happy to hear that at least you respect His teachings and examples. And the life after death thing-that really isn't a lost cause what have you really got to lose for believing in life after death? Your life? Your dignity?
I liked the Victoria's secret joke-you can see it in their eyes hahaha- is that what your looking at???? Actually there are now groups within many churches designed specifically for those in the modelling industry-God has room for all.... |
bluewater2 (bluewater2)
Intermediate Member
Username: bluewater2
Post Number: 185
Registered: 1-2006
Posted From: 66.75.252.89
| | Posted on Saturday, February 11, 2006 - 5:18 pm: |
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"....well bluewater2, it is my most sincere hope, that along your journey, you go back, and perhaps..find out something that you might have missed along the way.. about what Jesus really is all about." I know that that would help to validate your beliefs. Sorry, can't do that. I must say, I believe it is you who is missing something about Jesus. "Jesus was unbelievable and He gave His life for you!" No, Rachel. You believe he gave it for YOU. I KNOW that he did not give it for me. I will not speak for your beliefs, however, you do that well enough. |
nikita (nikita)
Intermediate Member
Username: nikita
Post Number: 382
Registered: 11-2004
Posted From: 67.167.68.209
| | Posted on Saturday, February 11, 2006 - 5:48 pm: |
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bluewater2,
I don't need anything to help validate my beliefs..(and you never know, you might just go back) I'm just very excited about what I know about Jesus. I would just love to share that with everybody!!! But, like I said, I don't want to force my beliefs on anyone. Jesus would never do that. He would never violate anyones free will. Its a choice! So peace and much love! |
nina_s (nina_s)
Intermediate Member
Username: nina_s
Post Number: 102
Registered: 4-2005
Posted From: 209.216.182.34
| | Posted on Saturday, February 11, 2006 - 9:45 pm: |
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Dear Bluewater2,
Is this HOP related to Mike Bickle and the International HOP in Kansas City?
Just wondering.
Nina |
bluewater2 (bluewater2)
Intermediate Member
Username: bluewater2
Post Number: 188
Registered: 1-2006
Posted From: 66.75.252.89
| | Posted on Saturday, February 11, 2006 - 10:55 pm: |
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I am not sure, Nina. This one is in San Diego, and I believe that the "main office" is in Hinesville, Georgia. Or was that a joke, as in IHOP? Hee hee. |
nina_s (nina_s)
Intermediate Member
Username: nina_s
Post Number: 103
Registered: 4-2005
Posted From: 209.216.182.150
| | Posted on Saturday, February 11, 2006 - 11:21 pm: |
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Nope, not a joke! Thanks for the info!
Nina |
waitingonhim
New member
Username: waitingonhim
Post Number: 17
Registered: 4-2006
Posted From: 69.152.239.152
| | Posted on Wednesday, May 03, 2006 - 7:20 pm: |
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Nina -
i know this is look an ancient topic, but i know about the one in kansas city, or at least a friend who was there. he loves to worship, but i was curious about the multi-denominational aspect of it, does it then involve all including catholics, protestants, baptists, pentecostals, mormons, seventh day adventists adn jehovahs witness? what happens when someone breaks out in tongues in the middle of intense intercession? |
nina_s
Intermediate Member
Username: nina_s
Post Number: 113
Registered: 4-2005
Posted From: 209.216.185.205
| | Posted on Wednesday, May 03, 2006 - 8:51 pm: |
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Not sure, waiting on him---
just scared of all these controling guys like Bickle who are out there.
Nina |
bigboy
Intermediate Member
Username: bigboy
Post Number: 171
Registered: 12-2004
Posted From: 66.79.28.55
| | Posted on Saturday, May 06, 2006 - 7:38 am: |
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Why are so many of the ministers in the HOP in Georgia leaving? Why are they not sharing their concerns with the congregation especially if something is wrong biblically? Why do we always worry about causing someone to stray from the faith by telling them the truth instead of worrying about the fact that if they continue on the path that they are on that they will not make it into Gods kingdom. Why? And yes this is for all ministers who have left, speak out and let the commoners (at least that is what is thought of them) know what the real deal is. You and I both know that they (the congreagation) will not listen to another member who has left. You know about the "Damage Control" that is done before someone even leaves often. It is time for this mess to come to an end. |
justamember
New member
Username: justamember
Post Number: 1
Registered: 6-2006
Posted From: 69.223.46.186
| | Posted on Monday, September 04, 2006 - 6:54 am: |
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h.o.p. is a break-away from New Testament
Christian Churches of America. See the N.T.C.C. thread. |
bluewater2
Senior Member
Username: bluewater2
Post Number: 1849
Registered: 1-2006
Posted From: 66.75.252.89
| | Posted on Monday, September 04, 2006 - 9:59 am: |
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Hey justamember, are you a member of HOP? |
bigboy
Intermediate Member
Username: bigboy
Post Number: 203
Registered: 12-2004
Posted From: 155.8.89.2
| | Posted on Tuesday, September 05, 2006 - 8:05 am: |
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Recently in the news a FLDS minister was apprehended for promoting bigotry, under aged marriages etc. There is a girl that I know who is under aged and is being inadvertently coerced to marry a guy whom she personally thinks is ugly (these are the thoughts of a 16 year old girl) and is only doing so becuase she is being led to believe that it is what God wants here to do. Now most states allow women to marry at the age of 16 with parental consent which is fine. But to a man who is 13 years older than she is. What makes him any different than the pedophoiles that we hear about on the news? Not to mention that she has not even completed formal high schooling and probably never will. What kind of parent would allow such a thing? Is it a common thought that since my child will sin by way of fornication it is best for them to marry so that they will not sin. Exactly who is saving them from their sin? Is it Christ or the parents? Who will they answer to in judgement? Will it be their parents or God? Is it just me or is this crazy? |
anonymous2005
New member
Username: anonymous2005
Post Number: 21
Registered: 8-2005
Posted From: 68.51.211.102
| | Posted on Tuesday, September 05, 2006 - 9:35 am: |
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is that here in Hinesville HOP??????????? Good Grief |
bluewater2
Senior Member
Username: bluewater2
Post Number: 1856
Registered: 1-2006
Posted From: 66.75.252.89
| | Posted on Tuesday, September 05, 2006 - 7:30 pm: |
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Hey Bigboy, what does that have to do with HOP? |
nikki5586
New member
Username: nikki5586
Post Number: 1
Registered: 8-2006
Posted From: 192.100.70.98
| | Posted on Wednesday, September 06, 2006 - 9:13 am: |
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Oh let me tell you a little something about the house of Prayer. When I first got to Ft. Stewart they had members of the church knocking door to door which is illegal on post, at 7am and told me "come on get up were going to church" now I had no idea who this woman was and I told her that I’ve had a very hard week and this is my day off, she offered to meet me later that evening for a "prayer Dinner” I’m a chaplains assistant in the army so I said "sure why not." She took me and my roommates to this mansion in Hinesville a little past the VFW I think and when i got there I come to find out a bunch of single male soldiers live there. As I was walking around looking at this house I hear a young man playing a "Stained" song on his acoustic guitar in a foyer, so I stand at the entrance and listen to it. Sounds pretty harmless to me, I was engaged at the time and had absolutely no intention of flirting with this soldier, but this woman walks up to me and says "umm you can be here, he’s a male, you need to leave him alone" I explained my engagement situation and that I was simply enjoying the song he was playing. She then told me that since I’m a female i need to get in the kitchen with the other Females and cook the dinner we were all about to eat. Seems a little 1920's but whatever. When it was time to eat, we had to serve all the men and wait for them to finish up the second servings if they so wished, THEN we were "allowed" to eat. One thing led to another and I asked to leave. I come to find out later that this place is a CULT! They tell you what to wear and how to wear it, and what to listen to, WHATEVER! Then months later I see the same female who had picked me up earlier driving around the barracks parking lot, she had remembered my name and called me on my cell, I told her I didn’t want anything to do with her OR the "House of Prayer" she called me one other time after that as well.
Almost a year and a half later I rent a house from a group called "PHP" I come to find out the "boss" of this group is a reverend at the House Of Prayer. By now EVERYONE in Hinesville knows these people are bad business. And they wound up SELLING my house from under me, and trying to get me to buy a different, very CRAPPY house and etc. Then he calls us later and says we can have it, then a few says layer he says we cant have it, so we have a meeting today to get out 900.00 security deposit back in FULL. These people are bad news all the realtors here in town know All about the PHP group and the House of Prayer, bad news everyone, they are NOT Christians they are SCAM artists!!!! |
bigboy
Intermediate Member
Username: bigboy
Post Number: 206
Registered: 12-2004
Posted From: 68.47.57.138
| | Posted on Wednesday, September 06, 2006 - 4:17 pm: |
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Blue Water it is happening in HOP as we speak.
Nikki I am glad that you know these men for what they are and I encourage you to tell as many as inquire about this group. |
bluewater2
Senior Member
Username: bluewater2
Post Number: 1839
Registered: 1-2006
Posted From: 66.75.252.89
| | Posted on Thursday, September 07, 2006 - 8:45 am: |
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HOP and NTCC are exactly the same. They share the same doctrinal statements and oppressive teachings and quirks. |
polaris
Member
Username: polaris
Post Number: 68
Registered: 7-2005
Posted From: 12.74.208.234
| | Posted on Thursday, September 07, 2006 - 6:07 pm: |
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If that situation is going on in hop with the young girl, then maybe it should be reported to child protective services. Her parents are supposed to protect her and look out for her best interest. She is still a minor. On another note, denis used to blast/berate/criticize davis (from ntcc) for being in the real estate business. and now he does it too. wow. there is a word for that. does anyone want to post it? |
bigboy
Intermediate Member
Username: bigboy
Post Number: 203
Registered: 12-2004
Posted From: 68.47.57.138
| | Posted on Friday, September 08, 2006 - 4:35 am: |
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hypocrite? |
anonymous2005
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Username: anonymous2005
Post Number: 21
Registered: 8-2005
Posted From: 68.51.211.102
| | Posted on Friday, September 08, 2006 - 5:10 am: |
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LOL.....thank you Bigboy!!!! I am not a part of Ntcc or HOP but I know a family who is no longer with Hop and let me tell you.....wow...the damage that has been done. I am still dumbfounded that they think they are the only people making it to have Heaven.....not many people are going to be making.....oh and I am still laughing at the fact that the women are not allowed to wear blue Jean skirts....Oh to be confused with the oneness folks oh wait the other reason I heard was cause it looks like pants...umm...so if I wear a Khaki skirt does it look like I am wearing Khaki pants....Ok...I could go on and on.....I wish someone would come up and talk to me.....I would be like where in the bible does it say that.....but I am branded with a big "x |
polaris
Member
Username: polaris
Post Number: 69
Registered: 7-2005
Posted From: 12.74.209.59
| | Posted on Friday, September 08, 2006 - 7:06 am: |
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to bigboy: hypocrite suits him very well. What about this one: they (the leadership in hop) said that they would offer an ethics class for the bible college students (maybe even the members) so that the people could be taught what was ethical and right for ministers/pastors to do and the people would be able to stand up to the ministers/pastors when they were/are wrong. Because they didn't want another ntcc where everyone was afraid to speak up about the wrong going on in that org. Is there any such class after 2 1/2 years? .......I didn't think so. Would this be a case of being a hypocrite, a double-minded person(s) or a liar? |
bigboy
Intermediate Member
Username: bigboy
Post Number: 204
Registered: 12-2004
Posted From: 68.47.57.138
| | Posted on Sunday, September 10, 2006 - 9:47 pm: |
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How about the "I will build this church with just tithes and offerings". And then the big push for everyone to attend bible college even if you are not called to preach. Oh and the promises of getting it accredited so you would not be wasting your time if you were attending for knowledge of Gods word. My wife attended the very first three semesters of their courses and I told her that if I were able to learn what she was learning on-line then she would no longer attend. So I found a historical website concerning the bible and took notes just as she did in bible school for HOP. Not only did I learn what she learned but I was even able to fill her in on the things that she was not being taught. Oh and not to mention the fact that what it took her three semesters to learn I read in two weeks and was able to tell her what she should be learning next. All in all she only got about 20% in three months of what I learned in two weeks. Needless to say we pulled out of that farse. Not only us but a couple of others and would'nt you know it, right on schedule they begin preaching about how God called you to go to bible school (even though you were not called to preach.) What a joke! |
charlie_towns
Junior Member
Username: charlie_towns
Post Number: 27
Registered: 1-2005
Posted From: 82.214.223.158
| | Posted on Tuesday, January 09, 2007 - 6:28 pm: |
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Big Boy,
Do you still go to church on post, or have you found another church?
How in general have things been for you now that you are out of hop? Do they still bother you from time to time? If not how long did it take for them to stop?
(Message edited by charlie_towns on January 09, 2007) |
still_small_voice
Advanced Member
Username: still_small_voice
Post Number: 871
Registered: 11-2006
Posted From: 207.200.116.135
| | Posted on Wednesday, January 17, 2007 - 7:02 pm: |
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Mr. You know who you are that emailed me. Why don't you come on here and share with us all about HOP and how "fired up" for God you are as opposed to those NTCCers.
I would really like to hear about what is going on with your little org.
I know you are not supposed to be on the Internet and all that, but why not post while at work, like you emailed me from work and read factnet, why not post here? I would love to have some conversation with you. |
bigboy
Intermediate Member
Username: bigboy
Post Number: 219
Registered: 12-2004
Posted From: 75.131.113.147
| | Posted on Saturday, January 20, 2007 - 12:44 am: |
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Charlie,
Yes we still do attend church off post for now because we live so far away from it. In general things are better, I find myself alot less judgemental of people simply because of their appearance. I think HOP and NTCC have shown me that no matter what you look like on the outside it is definitely not a reflection of what is on the inside. By the way how does a lieing thief dress? No we have not been bothered by them at all but their impact on the lives of others is still news worlds away. It did not take long for them to leave us alone, if I can recall Dennis' last words to me from the pulpit were "I do not care if you leave." |
srobert0
New member
Username: srobert0
Post Number: 2
Registered: 5-2007
Posted From: 152.43.1.4
| | Posted on Tuesday, May 22, 2007 - 2:38 pm: |
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Im 19 years old and my name is Sabrina Hicks. and i am a maid for the Daddy Madison. Those who dont know bout dat like outsiders, oh well thats to bad. I normally dont chat but when i seen this i had tao register. Born in raised in the U.H.O.P. Saved since 14 years old. sounds like ya jealous and furious. For what i really dont know but there has to be a reason. The organization ant doing no harm to you UNLESS you got something against it or some insecurities. Im actually a cool person and understand why outsiders act strange and rude but it doesn't get to me because i know what i been through and no person that is NOT a beleiver can change my mine about it. AND just so you know we are not the BIGGEST BLACK organization in the united states. Also riches church in the united states, ALL over 136 Houses of Prayer paid off. Not rented, borrowed etc. God lee. At least talk what you know. Not what you heard cause dat ull get your mind twisted up. Opps most of yall mind all ready converted unto sin and not believe n the true gospel because you choose not to TRY and understand but make fun. But yet the same ones in Daddy Grace days and, Mccollough days was make n fun of our powerful organization in my grand fathers. and still in this day and age. Day now we got all these other churchs try n to copy us like NTCC, BAPIST CHURCHS, NEW LIFE CHURCH, ETC. The list can go on. The united house Of prayer for all people did not split from NTCC, what ever that church that is. I can honestly say that is a flat out lie. At least if you gonna lie let it meke since geez. DADDY GRACE CAME TO AMERICA and built the first house of prayer in West Wareham, Massachusetts in 1919, AND called it THE HOUSE OF PRAYER FOR ALL PEOPLE. ThatAt least talk what you know. I pray all yall STOP being so gullible and ignorent because i'm quite saddened by you being so lost. |
victorjohanson
Junior Member
Username: victorjohanson
Post Number: 27
Registered: 9-2005
Posted From: 66.223.233.130
| | Posted on Tuesday, May 22, 2007 - 6:58 pm: |
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Sabrina, here's where you can go to defend your organization; the HOP on this thread is a different outfit:
http://www.factnet.org/discus/messages/3/499.html?1179226837 |
still_small_voice
Intermediate Member
Username: still_small_voice
Post Number: 141
Registered: 11-2006
Posted From: 207.200.116.135
| | Posted on Tuesday, May 22, 2007 - 7:41 pm: |
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"The organization ant doing no harm to you UNLESS you got something against it or some insecurities."
So, um... if someone does have something against it, does this "UNLESS" imply that in that case you do indeed do harm to people?
I know you are on here out of being lost in the threads but I just had to make that comment.
With an attitude like that, no wonder your group is on FACTnet somewhere. |
srobert0
New member
Username: srobert0
Post Number: 8
Registered: 5-2007
Posted From: 152.43.1.4
| | Posted on Wednesday, May 23, 2007 - 10:41 am: |
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Um, Hello do u understand anything i wrote i am from the United House Of prayer for all people, NOT the House of Prayer, or The church of prayer etc. There is a difference. Why would i critisize my own organization. I love my Daddy Madison and no one can EVER change my mind about it. THE UNITED HOUSE OF PRAYER FOR ALL PEOPLE IS RIGHT. LIKE I SAID, we ant do n no harm to you unless you have insecurities thats why your mad or poke fun at my organization. I know my history. You just say i have a attitude because you probably dont like The United House Of Prayer For All People and thats really to bad. Thats not my problem or concern at all. You must have a hard time comprehending what i wrote. I'm not going to talk to ignorent people that refuse to learn how to read. You need alot of Prayer. You sound like your lost in the thread and world. |
still_small_voice
Intermediate Member
Username: still_small_voice
Post Number: 173
Registered: 11-2006
Posted From: 152.163.100.15
| | Posted on Wednesday, May 23, 2007 - 10:13 pm: |
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It does not matter which org you wrote in defense of, I was responding to the spirit of the comment. UNLESS. Like OR ELSE. It almost contains a veiled threat.
"You just say i have a attitude because you probably dont like The United House Of Prayer For All People and thats really to bad."
I really know nothing about the UHOP except I looked it up online after you posted.
Judging by your posts you sound like a deluded cult member of a Christian cult.
"You must have a hard time comprehending what i wrote."
No, I pretty much got it.
"I'm not going to talk to ignorent people that refuse to learn how to read."
I could say, I am not going to read ignorant posts of people that refuse to learn how to spell or properly use english grammar.
"You need alot of Prayer"
Guess it is a good thing I am not depending upon you for it.
"You sound like your lost in the thread and world."
Typical ad hominem comment. I would rather be lost where I am than find myself where you are. |
srobert0
Junior Member
Username: srobert0
Post Number: 31
Registered: 5-2007
Posted From: 152.43.1.4
| | Posted on Thursday, May 24, 2007 - 10:37 am: |
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STILL_SMALL_VOICE) IF YOUR REFERING TO ME, i'm not lost but it sounds like you are. you need alot of prayer becuse what i wrote in my last person a retarted person can read it. Stop try na get of the point with insults and get the point God lee OK? I'mma pray for you seriously because you need it with that attitude. You actually want to be lost AND rather go to hell. um, um,um. You sound like u pocessed by a terrible negative spirit. GOD thats ashamed. I'm really not mad at you because i know i am not in a cult. I know the truth. You just dont have any understanding so u might choose to insult or judge. and u do n both. I feel really really sorry for you because you dont have any commen sense far as what you saw on the internet. If you stop turning our information around. Boy your actually a confused mess it sounds from the way you jump to conclusions. Please dont respond to me any more. Our organization does not bother most of the time try n to associate with people who refuse to acknowledge God and the truth. But i seriously will be praying know thats the truth. |
srobert0
Junior Member
Username: srobert0
Post Number: 32
Registered: 5-2007
Posted From: 152.43.1.4
| | Posted on Thursday, May 24, 2007 - 10:41 am: |
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STILL_SMALL_VOICE)IF YOUR REFERING TO ME, i'm not lost but it sounds like you are. you need alot of prayer because what i wrote in my last post a retarted person can read it. Stop try na get of the point with insults and jugdements. Get the point God lee OK? MY Dad, God, and, Jesus Christ is right and theres nothing u can do to change my mind. If u where ask n about it i'd be sure but u ant worthy of my time for that because your rude and sound crazy. I'mma pray for you seriously that you find the truth because you need it with that attitude. You actually want to be lost AND rather go to hell. um, um,um. You sound like u pocessed by a terrible negative spirit. GOD thats ashamed. I'm really not mad at you because i know i am not in a cult. I know the truth. You just dont have any understanding so u might choose to insult or judge. and u do n both. I feel really really sorry for you because you dont have any commen sense far as what you saw on the internet. If you stop turning our information around. Boy your actually a confused mess it sounds from the way you jump to conclusions. Please dont respond to me any more. Our organization does not bother most of the time try n to associate with people who refuse to acknowledge God and the truth. But i seriously will be praying know thats the truth. |
srobert0
Junior Member
Username: srobert0
Post Number: 33
Registered: 5-2007
Posted From: 152.43.1.4
| | Posted on Thursday, May 24, 2007 - 10:41 am: |
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STILL_SMALL_VOICE)IF YOUR REFERING TO ME, i'm not lost but it sounds like you are. you need alot of prayer because what i wrote in my last post a retarted person can read it. Stop try na get off the point with insults and jugdements. Get the point God lee OK? MY Dad, God, and, Jesus Christ is right and theres nothing u can do to change my mind. If u where ask n about it i'd be sure but u ant worthy of my time for that because your rude and sound crazy. I'mma pray for you seriously that you find the truth because you need it with that attitude. You actually want to be lost AND rather go to hell. um, um,um. You sound like u pocessed by a terrible negative spirit. GOD thats ashamed. I'm really not mad at you because i know i am not in a cult. I know the truth. You just dont have any understanding so u might choose to insult or judge. and u do n both. I feel really really sorry for you because you dont have any commen sense far as what you saw on the internet. If you stop turning our information around. Boy your actually a confused mess it sounds from the way you jump to conclusions. Please dont respond to me any more. Our organization does not bother most of the time try n to associate with people who refuse to acknowledge God and the truth. But i seriously will be praying know thats the truth. |
srobert0
Junior Member
Username: srobert0
Post Number: 34
Registered: 5-2007
Posted From: 152.43.1.4
| | Posted on Thursday, May 24, 2007 - 10:44 am: |
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I put it there three times incase you read slow. Goodbye. I will not be responding to you nomore so waste ya time talking to your self. |
still_small_voice
Intermediate Member
Username: still_small_voice
Post Number: 181
Registered: 11-2006
Posted From: 207.200.116.135
| | Posted on Thursday, May 24, 2007 - 12:03 pm: |
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"u ant worthy of my time"
And you are one arrogant, self absorbed, cult following individual.
"I feel really really sorry for you"
Spare me your pity and spend it on yourself.
"Please dont respond to me any more."
Well, I did anyway.
"people who refuse to acknowledge God and the truth."
You are neither, you are just another misguided human misguiding others and getting high on the power of the process.
It was kind of you to allow me the last word, now you said you would not respond so don't be a liar and respond after you said you wouldn't. |
bluewater2
Senior Member
Username: bluewater2
Post Number: 3432
Registered: 1-2006
Posted From: 72.130.156.151
| | Posted on Thursday, October 18, 2007 - 10:38 pm: |
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Where did you go, Wayloc? |
