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rjfernalld (rjfernalld)
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Username: rjfernalld
Post Number: 1596
Registered: 11-2004
Posted From: 71.123.64.10
| | Posted on Monday, February 06, 2006 - 11:05 am: | 
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Why Cult Kids Don't Tell
Kids who are part of a cult because their parents are involved have no choice, no voice and chance at all of having the power to break away. They are victims of the worst kind and worst combinations of abuses imaginable.
Mom and Dad are committed to The Ministry. They want "the life". Mom and Dad are taught to obey authority and in turn teach their children to be so obedient that it makes the kids vulnerable to ALL in authority in the organization. Add to this the fact that the parents are taught NOT to believe their sinful children, and what do you end up with?
You end up with a pedophile's heaven. Children who are taught to obey, parents who are taught to reverence every man who is deemed a leader/pastor, and parents who are taught NOT to believe their children who will "lie quicker than tell the truth". It is a situation that spells tragedy and disaster.
So, a man realizes the environment is perfect...he cannot be caught, charged nor ever be unprotected: the ministry will cover up whatever happens, the kid won't be believed and the parents aren't properly protecting their kids anyway since they put the ministry before everything...he is free to abuse anyone he wants to. And he will. Believe me, he will.
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rjfernalld (rjfernalld)
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Post Number: 1597
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Posted From: 71.123.64.10
| | Posted on Monday, February 06, 2006 - 11:06 am: |
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Part II
So, he choses his victim. He isolates the kid, knowing no one will question. The kid is threatened...perhaps that daddy will never be a pastor if you don't cooperate, no one will believe you anyway, beisdes, you know you want me to do it, and anyway it's your fault for seducing me, a man of God.
The child suffers not only the physical degradation of the gross act itself, but believes the threats, realizes he/she has no power and that daddy will hate it if he never gets to be pastor cuz God wants daddy to be a pastor, I can't go against God's will, and this man is a leader, he will kick us out of the ministry then we won't be in the geographical will of God....
What a horrible nightmare. How can they possibly tell? Who would believe them?
When I encourage the kids to contact the police, a rape crisis center, 911, whatever...they too often are afraid also to do this because these are "worldly" places of refuge. I have given them phone numbers for Christian counselors, and some have said they can't because the other places aren't as spiritual as GGWO. I could just scream when they say that one.
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rjfernalld (rjfernalld)
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Post Number: 1598
Registered: 11-2004
Posted From: 71.123.64.10
| | Posted on Monday, February 06, 2006 - 11:16 am: |
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Part III
I know of a case where the abuser was known by the parents (who were in the ministry) of the child and the parents covered it up by sending the abuser to the bible school in Lenox so he could "get right". This man was part of the bus ministry, was a youth counselor etc and all this was known by the church leaders. Why didn't the victim say anything? Would you? Why bother? What would be the point? Obviously everyone "loves" the abuser MORE than the abused, the abused don't tell.
While I was a student at SSB for reasons I cannot understand or explain, I was privy to many "situations" that at the time didn't really add up...seeing a pastor and a child speaking together in a corner where I knew inside that something was wrong...inappropriate 'closeness" on the pastor's part...if you know what I mwean. The kid always looked so relieved to have the "conversation" interrupted it was almost frightening. Teens talked about the "The Space Invader", a teacher who always stood too close, touched too much etc.
When I met Amy it was before I went to Lenox. Her story is about the most outrageous horror you can imagine. I am ashamed to say that I hardly believed her at first. I have since learned about a few people...more than a few who were abused by leaders at TBS who now are parents and they are in the ministry and send their children to the schools, kids functions etc. I wonder if they have any idea what they are doing. Do they realize that what happened to them they have set their own children up to suffer?
The dirty little secret behind the scenes is almost too much to bear so no one deals with it. So spiritual rape is coupled with child rape and guess what it produces? Kids who cut themselves, kids who abuse others, kids who hate God, kids who grow up to obey the ministry and allow their own kids to be abused.
Do I hate this? More thanI can possibly tell you. I want to rescue them all. I admit this freely. One of the reason I have stuck it out here on FactNet is because I believe in this cause with all my being. The kids that contact me get this:
"Please tell someone what is happening to you? This is NOT your fault. Please let someone help you because they really can do it and they really want to make this stop. Call someone. They will believe you."
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rjfernalld (rjfernalld)
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Username: rjfernalld
Post Number: 1599
Registered: 11-2004
Posted From: 71.123.64.10
| | Posted on Monday, February 06, 2006 - 11:17 am: |
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Part IV
I will ask anyone reading this: If you know or suspect that a child you know may be in trouble, may be a victim of sexual abuse DO NOT CLOSE YOUR EYES. Call the police, call a counselor, get that child some help...please! These kids aren't just rape victims, they are in a cult through no choice of their own and they are incredibly more damaged emotionall than you can know.
I hope Chris that I have answered your questions. I am so convinced that these kids are the victims no one remembers. Thank you for prompting me to write this. The crap usually hits the fan when this topic comes up as it strikes a big nerve with the guilty at GGWO. They have hated me for stressing this issue. I have recieved threats and condemnation galore. But it hasn't stopped me from giving out phone numbers and it never will. I just wish I could do more. |
rjfernalld (rjfernalld)
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Posted From: 71.123.64.10
| | Posted on Monday, February 06, 2006 - 11:20 am: |
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monday 8:30 PM
i can't believe she made me sit there. HIS office. he told her i was flunking his damned class. parent teacher conference. she is so stupid, she fawns over every single word he says, cuz he a pastor. he's the big wig authority. And he kept looking at me like I was some bad kid. Both of them just pounding the questions
why don't you study more amy
why don't you pay attention in class amy
why why why amy.
she is never wrong and neither is he, is he mom!
wonder what she'd think if she knew what he did to me in that office.
i know what the rug smells like mama
i know how many tiles are in the ceiling mama
he knows when to lock the door mama
he grunts like a pig mama.
she yelled at me in the car. my fingernails had made my
palms bleed. guess my fists aren't worth much anyway
tuesday 7:40 PM
i almost made it out. He was talking to the superintendent
and i almost got out of the building. almost. amy! my office, now!
he says god is on his side. that men are closer to god and they understand more.
he's a pig. god must be a pig too. he really hurt me today. if mama sees more blood on my underwear she's going to freak out and call me dirty for it. daddy seems to think this guy is
god or something. what if he comes here for dinner like daddy wants. no. i can'i do this . mom now freaks out everytime i come home from school and shut my bedroom door. she thinks i am just a brat. maybe i am.
friday 3:50 PM
i bit him and he hit me. hit me hit me. if i say no he hits me.
says gods going to punish me. god is already punishing me.
mama says i am carrying a demon. can 14 year olds get pregnant?
his wife asked me to babysit. mom said yes i would and he winked
at me. mama says i can't talk to boys don't worry
mama. i won't. |
david_munson (david_munson)
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Post Number: 2190
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Posted From: 65.143.84.29
| | Posted on Tuesday, February 07, 2006 - 6:03 pm: |
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The best advice I could ever give in responce to RJ's post is that every parent read what she posted about ten times so that you can get it right.MAKE THE ABUSER ACCOUNTABLE!
Never ever take someone elses word over your own child's.
Children very seldom,if ever,lie about such heinous abuse.
What value do you as parents put on the mental stabilty of your own children?
Thank you RJ for your post.People need to seriously consider what they are allowing to happen to their children and take to heart your warning.
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sidethorn (sidethorn)
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Posted From: 169.253.4.21
| | Posted on Wednesday, February 08, 2006 - 7:00 am: |
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Thanks RJ for your very informative posts on this thread and all the others. Thanks for standing up for all the hurting children all these many months. Your posts have enlightened many and have helped a lot of kids escape the GGWO cult. Keep it up!!
At GGWO, kids are not taken seriously. They are viewed as sneaky little monsters that need to be controlled with an iron fist and a huge heavy rule book. I've seen a lot of this attitude during my youth worker days and it is sickening. When a kid speaks up, people don't listen. He/she is just a kid, what do they know or what kind of deception are they trying to come up with now. That's the whole mentality. If a kid ever speaks up against an authority figure that abuses them, they can get isolated, alienated, marked or even worse. As the words of adults are routinely taken over the words of a child or teen, GGWO is a perfect haven for an abusive adult to hurt kids. No proper checks and balances exist at GGWO to ensure a kid's safety there. So please, take your child's words seriously and get them out of GGWO right away. Don't take the risk. It's not worth it. There are much better youth programs out there where a kid can feel safe and valued.
SIDETHORN |
rnataz (rnataz)
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Posted From: 141.154.157.204
| | Posted on Saturday, March 04, 2006 - 9:29 pm: |
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Amen Sidethorn !!!!!!!!!!!
Since i experienced it first hand... I am sooo glad you are warning parents.. It is so important... howeever the parents could see the teenager was out of control, however never tried to get it out of them.. they just punished, yet the teen was embarrased and scared and ashamed.
the parent Loved the ministry.. so this is great to seethis posting.
what is really sick is having a currents event teacher in the High School who was a "Military" person as well,keep telling a student that he was going to Marry her someday... HOW PERVERSE IS THAT?????? He eventually became a pastor !!!!! |
sidethorn (sidethorn)
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Posted From: 169.253.4.21
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Thanks Rnataz.
Sure is appalling that this current events teacher you're describing here became a GGWO pastor. That's really disgusting but sadly not surprising. GGWO has no proper checks and balances to keep people like this out of the ministry. Nobody is allowed to question anything especially when you're a kid. People are becoming pastors at GGWO for the wrong reasons and too often use the office of a pastor to exploit, manipulate, decieve and control people. When people like this take power and nobody is allowed to question them, big trouble usually follows. It sure did at GGWO. Best thing to do now is keep exposing GGWO until the leadership there truly repents or sees their cult kingdom collapse. |
rnataz (rnataz)
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Posted From: 141.154.157.204
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Sidethorn, well at least he has left the "Ministry". However , i just don't get why the High School teachers at SCHS in Lenox, did not question, why I was being interupted during school hours in class to go and "SEE DOCTOR STEVENS IN HIS OFFICE" I just don't get it...
I have dealt with all the pain,, all the times he offered me the Lincoln, if I ever needed it...etc,etc,etc... all the nasty things that occured to me ... I have pretty much handled that. However I worry about the young down there in Baltimore,are other "Pastors" so called Men of God doing the same things???
I have talked to a few of my old classmates, they remember me getting "Summonsed to Schermahorn to go see "Pastor" I am sooo worried about the children.
It just strips you of every bit of self esteem you have.. especially to grow up with these teans,, and then because i chose to go to a "Secular" college,, I was shunned by ALL,
All my friends were not allowed to associate with me because i did not go to Bible College.like they were doing.It is all so disgusting.I had to start fresh. I had to learn how to survive in the world,yet be not of the world.The Loss i experienced was overwhelming.
God help the babies that are being brought up in such a conditional,vulnerable ,dangerous environment. I just started going back to church 2 years ago !!! I still have issues regarding churches.
If I so much as even sense any similarities, I leave.
I do attend a wonderful Bible Study now, on a weekly basis, I am waiting for my friend to finish semonary school, and when he opens his own church..we will be attending.
I am currently working on advocating for stricter punishments for Pediphiles here in Massachusetts.
I have felt led to do this for quite some time..
So while I am home during the days, I am doing research. Please pray for me , for this will not be an easy task.
God Bless Ya'll
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mercyreigns (mercyreigns)
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Posted From: 207.69.139.147
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My daughter was 15 when we moved to Baltimore. My son was just 7. My daughter was newly saved and went to camp life. Love said she was a tool of satan and told the other kids to stay away from her.
She was afraid to tell me because I was so happy coming to Baltimore and thought it to be "the promised land". She felt that if she said anything to me I wouldn't believe her and to be honest I probably wouldn't have.
Carl told us as parents never to beleive our kids over teachers or pastors, that our kids were inherent liars and would sow discord between us and their teachers.
It was so tragic because as Love continued to convince my daughter and thus me that she was evil I wound up sending her away at the tender age of 15 to my sister.
We talk openly about it now but at the time my daughter felt I didn't love her. That is certainly never God's heart for a parent towards a child but in GG if anyone, even our family members, were against GG they were evil and we were encouraged to distance ourselves from them.
I have a boatload of stories about things that happened to my son but I am so ill in the hospital now I really don't have strength to type.
I just wanted to share this one story in relationship to RJ's posts.
blessings
nancy |
whatsup (whatsup)
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Posted From: 56.0.143.23
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I have a couple of questions....to rnataz: are you implying that high school students were summoned to Pastor Stevens' office and violated in some way? Not sure if I am reading things into your post, and am concerned since I had a child in the day school who could have easily gone on to the high school had we not moved.
And Nancy, why did Pastor Love say that your daughter was a tool of Satan? I find that quite disturbing as well |
rnataz (rnataz)
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Posted From: 141.154.157.204
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Whatsup... I was that girl that was called up to See Dr. Stevens numerous times a month in his office..... The High School secretary named "Nancy" would walk into the classroom.. up to me and whisper in my ear to go see Dr. Stevens immediatly up in his office..... I did not have to tools to deal with this at the time..... however now that i am a parent... I am very very careful.... I am also very aware how these religious organizations can effect our young ones... It took 2 decades to deal with all the garbage i encountered there. I just want to warn any parent that has small kids or teenagers in the GGWO ministry or any "Branch" there of... to watch for signs of sexual abuse in them... such as Anger, Depression, getting involved in a click of Partying teens... or they become withdrawn and have a dark outlook on their personal lives.... these are classic signs that teens and children are being sexually abused. They won't talk,,,, since the parents uphold the Pastors in the church. I can promise you that.... however, if you leave the child untreated they can suffer serious mental issues as they get older.
It is important to get them into therapy and reassure them that they will be believed, that they will be ok,,, that they will be protected. |
david_munson (david_munson)
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Posted From: 65.145.233.104
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Whatsup,"Nancy, why did Pastor Love say that your daughter was a tool of Satan? I find that quite disturbing as well."
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You should find that disturbing.
Mr.Love is a tool of Satan himself as is evidenced by the many testimonies stating his heinous actions and attitudes towards those he seeks to control and manipulate.
Oh and he does it in Christ's name.
As Nancy said above:"Carl told us as parents never to believe our kids over teachers or pastors, that our kids were inherent liars and would sow discord between us and their teachers."
If children are inherent liars,what are the adults that they grow into?
Mature inherent liars that have had years of practice at their trade?
Examples are,Stevens,Schibelli,Schaller,Marr,Love and any other that chooses to avoid the Biblical steps that have been attempted to bring correction to this evil system at the Sandy Cove meetings.
Remember,pastors/leaders who state that you should consider your child's complaint of abuse a lie are themselves lieing abusers.
Also remember that those pastors still in GGWO signed the Sandy Cove covenant and then turned away from it's Godly correction and rejected it.
They choose to reject Truth and remain in error.
Follow no man.
Dave
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sidethorn (sidethorn)
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Posted From: 169.253.4.21
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Rnataz
You're in my prayers. I'm glad you've moved on and found healing. May God keep helping you. I'm glad you're pressing for bigger punishments on the pedophiles out there. Keep up the good work.
The thought of kids still in GGWO, its affiliates and some of the IAGM churches still sends chills down my spine. God knows what these poor kids must be going through and all the crap they're being taught by the charlatans over them. Of course the chief charlatan in the youth ministry has to be John Love. John Love is a dangerous wolf in sheeps clothing if there ever was one!!!! How many young people have been led astray by the false teaching of this 'man'. Of course a lot of that false teaching is based on the errant teachings of Carl Stevens. I also have personally witnessed how John Love teaches kids to worship GGWO pastors and to put them above their own consciences, parents, and to use them as intermediaries between them and Jesus Christ. Kids are taught very early on to worship GGWO pastors and blindly follow them. Also the words of kids are not taken seriously because GGWO believes that kids are devious liars. The words of a kid are never taken over the words of an adult. What a perfect environment for unchecked abuse we have here!!!!! This is why parents should really think twice about having their kids involved in ANY kind of GGWO youth activity or school. John Love has his own agenda for your kids, not God's. Please take the words of your kids seriously and look for any signs of possible abuse. If you even slightly suspect anything is wrong, please remove your kids at once!!!
Thanks Dave for your comments too. John Love is surely being used by Satan to lead young people astray. Where deception and false teaching is, there usually is some kind of demonic activity behind it, especially in environments where brainwashing is prevelant. You're so right, follow no man. Best to follow God directly.
SIDETHORN |
rnataz (rnataz)
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Posted From: 141.154.157.204
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Sidethorn
I have to correct you on one of the comments you did make above.... WE as teens were never told to "Worship" the pastors.. at least in Lenox.
We were always told to Worship God, yet always follow what the pastors told us to do. There is a difference there.
WE were told that the pastors did have "Authority" over us. Yes this is all mind control angles, to mold us into becomming adult followers of the church, and the pastors.
John Love did have his "Clicks" , He spent more time with the teens that were devoted to him and every word that Carl stevens said.
However the other teens were put aside. Not much invested in them. Perhaps because he knew that we knew that something was very wrong.
He probably figured that the "Outside" teens were going to leave, due to their opinions on certain things..... who knows.... however , like I said before ..... I truely worry about the teens down there.... especiall the girls.....
I just pray that someone is keeping an eye open down there..... and has the convictions to do the right thing,,,, not what is being pumped into their brains.
I ended up ok,,, however i did have a real rocky road after i left the "miinistry" It took me a very long time to get over the fact that all my friends were now gone,,,,and I had to start life all over again , and learn how to survive in "The Real World". Inever gave up..... Yes it hurt very much so .. however I am better off now because of the choices i made after i graduated the High School in Lenox.
Thank you so much for your efforts.
You will truely be blessed.
Rnataz |
rnataz (rnataz)
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Posted From: 141.154.157.204
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Sidethorn
I have to correct you on one of the comments you did make above.... WE as teens were never told to "Worship" the pastors.. at least in Lenox.
We were always told to Worship God, yet always follow what the pastors told us to do. There is a difference there.
WE were told that the pastors did have "Authority" over us. Yes this is all mind control angles, to mold us into becomming adult followers of the church, and the pastors.
John Love did have his "Clicks" , He spent more time with the teens that were devoted to him and every word that Carl stevens said.
However the other teens were put aside. Not much invested in them. Perhaps because he knew that we knew that something was very wrong.
He probably figured that the "Outside" teens were going to leave, due to their opinions on certain things..... who knows.... however , like I said before ..... I truely worry about the teens down there.... especiall the girls.....
I just pray that someone is keeping an eye open down there..... and has the convictions to do the right thing,,,, not what is being pumped into their brains.
I ended up ok,,, however i did have a real rocky road after i left the "miinistry" It took me a very long time to get over the fact that all my friends were now gone,,,,and I had to start life all over again , and learn how to survive in "The Real World". Inever gave up..... Yes it hurt very much so .. however I am better off now because of the choices i made after i graduated the High School in Lenox.
Thank you so much for your efforts.
You will truely be blessed.
Rnataz |
sidethorn (sidethorn)
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Posted From: 169.253.4.21
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Thanks Rnataz:
Great informative post. Many of these things I seen myself, especially the cliques and favoritism. There was the in crowd that got the attention and the outcasts that got the alienation. The pastor worship thing was more subtle. Love didn't openly tell anyone to worship pastors, but his actions and the GGWO teachings contributed more subltely to bring a lot of kids into the pastor worshipping mindset with too much dependance on them for personal decisions. Thanks for your very informative posts, they've contributed greatly to getting the word out about the GGWO cult and the problems its created for youth. I'm glad we're both out. The real world can be scary but there are real friends and quality pastors out there to help us without controlling us like cult leaders. God will help you find them if you're still searching and will give you more if you've already found some better people. God bless.
SIDETHORN |
david_munson (david_munson)
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Posted From: 65.148.20.178
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The examples above only go to prove that GGWO ignores these verses.
1 Corinthians 12:22 Nay, much more those members of the body, which seem to be more feeble, are necessary:
1 Corinthians 12:23 And those members of the body, which we think to be less honourable, upon these we bestow more abundant honour; and our uncomely parts have more abundant comeliness.
1 Corinthians 12:24 For our comely parts have no need: but God hath tempered the body together, having given more abundant honour to that part which lacked:
1 Corinthians 12:25 That there should be no schism in the body; but that the members should have the same care one for another.
Where is the care?
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sidethorn (sidethorn)
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Posted From: 169.253.4.21
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The care is outside the borders of the GGWO nation and some of the IAGM 'countries' too!!! Where is the care at GGWO when people are taught that they can't think for themselves, or rely on God above a man, or have their needs properly tended to with loving attention when they are down and out and hurting? Where is the care when the people you grew up with for years all turn against you and shun you because you didn't go to Maryland Bible College and Seminary? Where is the care when a physically or spiritually abused teenager has nobody to turn to because all the adults around them were taught to never take the words of a kid seriously? Where is the care when a kid is forced to go to GGWO youth functions because their parents are fanatics about GGWO when the kid has legitimate reasons not to?? Where is the care when kids have to conform and kiss up to gain access into the cliques closer to pastors like John Love in order to get some attention instead of alienation? Where is the love when kids are taught to rely on and focus on pastors more than God? The list goes on and on! |
lana
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Posted From: 209.240.206.204
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My sister who is raising her two grandaughters, 12 and 13, mixed race, is trying to find schooling for them this coming year. Why has GGWO school closed? They have been in the cult almost from the start. Does anyone know what is going on there? |
forte
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Posted From: 69.251.144.6
| | Posted on Wednesday, July 19, 2006 - 10:31 am: |
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Your sister probably realized that GGCA couldn't meet the needs of her granddaughters. There could be a lot of reasons. For example if the school decided that the girls needed any extra help with school they probably told her that they needed to be in the discovery program which is very, unbelievably pricey especially for what they get for it. But, like I said, there are a slew of reasons why the school might not meet thier needs. |
lana
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Posted From: 209.240.206.192
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Forte, The girls are very talented in music and art, and have made high grades.They are both very pretty. They are under strict disapline by their step grandfather and are showing signs of rebellion. They are frantic to find a new school.this year, even going to the Gov of MD. They are very deeply involved in the cult! It has cost them 3,000 for each girl, and they can't afford it any more. Maybe thats the only reason. |
forte
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Posted From: 69.251.144.6
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'could be. Perhaps they should try the Baltimore school for the arts. I think tuition is free if you live in the city. Not sure exactly. But they would have to audition.
It's understandable that they are showing signs of rebellion, besides the fact that it's all a part of normal childhood, ggca is a very boring school. Between the harsh discipline of having to sit through useless "chapel" meetings and having to practically have to self-teach themselves the curriculum it's very difficult to stay motivated. But the school always promises that "next year" everything will be different and new!
I wonder if thier music teacher is the one that went overseas. They probably don't have a replacement yet. |
lana
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Posted From: 209.240.206.192
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Forte, one girl plays the violin, the other is a good artist. Seeds of rebellion could start with too much GGWO. My sisters own kids who were in TBS, have all left and 2 0f them have severe problems. I avoid all discussions of the cult, but keep in touch. I will tell her of the Baltimore school for the arts, Thanks |
lmao
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Posted From: 69.251.144.6
| | Posted on Friday, July 21, 2006 - 8:43 pm: |
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Just for clarification, ggca Baltimore has not closed. They raised the tuition for non-ggers substantially making it difficult for many unless they join or rejoin gg. It is not a bad school if you live in the city considering the state of the Baltimore city schools and the price of other private schools, but if you live in the surrounding counties there are many excellent public schools with much more to offer than ggca.
The Delaware church closed their school. |
greaterdisgrace
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| | Posted on Saturday, July 22, 2006 - 9:22 pm: |
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we just haven't gotten to Baltimore yet.... |
louise_connolly
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| | Posted on Sunday, July 23, 2006 - 8:01 am: |
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I needed that clarification as I was confused on what school closed. Did the Delaware church close?
Were all those stories about children being called in somewhere and being abused about the Delaware school? I read them and got so upset but did not understand where this was happening? I pray those of you who came forward in that situation get justice serverd with the people abusing children getting arrested. |
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