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rjfernalld (rjfernalld)
Senior Member
Username: rjfernalld
Post Number: 1585
Registered: 11-2004
Posted From: 71.123.64.10
| | Posted on Monday, February 06, 2006 - 10:34 am: | 
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WHY GGWO DOESN'T WANT TO BE CALLED A CULT
Part I
Okay...so if it walks like a duck, smells like a duck...it's a duck.
GGWO fits every criteria used to identify a cult.
There are 3 factors to defining a cult.
1. The origin of the group and role of the leader.
This person is typically the founder. He is at the top of the structure. The core of the decision making is his alone. These leaders typically have the following characteristics:
A. Cult leaders are self-appointed, persuasive persons who claim to have a special mission in life or to have special knowledge.
B. Cult leaders tend to be determined and domineering and are often described as charismatic.
C. Cult leaders center veneration (pastor worship) on themselves.
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rjfernalld (rjfernalld)
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Username: rjfernalld
Post Number: 1586
Registered: 11-2004
Posted From: 71.123.64.10
| | Posted on Monday, February 06, 2006 - 10:37 am: |
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Part II
2. The power structure, or relationship between the leader (or leaders) and the followers.
Cults are authoritarian in structure. The leader may delegate some power to a few subordinates to aid in seeing that members adhere to his wishes and rules.
Cults appear to be innovative and exclusive. Cult leaders claim to be offering something new and something that will change all the problems of ones life and the world. Almost all cults make the claim that their members are “chosen”, “select”, or “special”, those who are not members are considered lesser beings.
Cults tend to have a double set of ethics. Members are encouraged to be open and honest confess all to the leaders. At the same time, members are taught that it is all right to deceive and manipulate nonmembers. (Lie to the devil). The overriding philosophy in cults, however is that the ends justify the means.
3. The use of a coordinated program of persuasion (which is called thought reform, or brain washing as it is commonly known.)
Cults tend to be totalistic, or all encompassing, in controlling their members’ behavior and ideologically totalistic, exhibiting zealotry and extremism in their worldview.
Cults expect members to devote increasing time, energy, and money or other resources to the professed goals of the group, stating or implying that a total commitment is required to reach some state of enlightenment.
Cults tend to require members to undergo a major disruption or change in life-style.
Cults promote black -and -white thinking, an all- or- nothing point of view.
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rjfernalld (rjfernalld)
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Username: rjfernalld
Post Number: 1587
Registered: 11-2004
Posted From: 71.123.64.10
| | Posted on Monday, February 06, 2006 - 10:38 am: |
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Part III
Not all cults are alike. There are cults that are live in and live out. They vary in levels of membership and degrees of involvement. For example members on the edges of a group are not privy to the costs, contents, and obligations of the inner group members and have little knowledge of the real purpose of the group and the amount of power wielded by the leader. Even within the same cult, rules, restrictions and requirements may change. This may happen year to year and from location to location depending upon outside pressures, local leadership, and whatever the leader desires.
In a live in cult every detail of ones life is scrutinized. There is a dress code, food restrictions, and relationships are governed. Members live together at the headquarters or at a specified location around the country or overseas. They often work for cult owned companies.
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rjfernalld (rjfernalld)
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Username: rjfernalld
Post Number: 1588
Registered: 11-2004
Posted From: 71.123.64.10
| | Posted on Monday, February 06, 2006 - 10:40 am: |
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Part IV
In a live out cult the devotees appear to remain active in quite a few aspects of the outside world. They earn a living, own homes, have families, etc. But for all practical purposes these individuals also live under the rules governing their personal life as the people with whom they associate with, how they spend their money, the way they raise their children, where they live, etc.
(The information given above is summation of information I have. Most of it was taken from Margaret Singers Book Cults in our Midst the hidden menace in our everyday lives Copy write 1995, Jossey-Bass publications.)
So, whY are the friends of GGWO and the cult itself fighting so hard to spin the truth that they areN'T a cult, and are trying so hard to get you to think it is just an "abusive church"?
Manipulators are famous for "the spin". This spin is being employed to get you to stay in the cult. If it is an abusive "church" it carries the connotation that it is less than dangerous, less of a problem and totally "fixable". They will tell you it is based on the bible and they will quote it over and over to you. My friends, you are being conditioned to believe more lies. The people are themselves being manipulated by the cult leaders who befriend them and use them for their own ends. Sick, hh? I mean, they are actually doing this IN THE NAME OF GOD.
But who are they really trying to save? You? Me? No way. They are trying to keep their illigitimate power base, my friends. To do this they MUST convince themselves and us that this dangerous cult is merely a problem church. And it doesn't matter how hard one tries to point out the difference, because you have been trained, through thought control to believe a pastor over anyone when it comes to things biblical. So....if THEY, pastor so and so says it is a problem church, I mean they MUST be right. And all those ex members who are trying to cxause trouble because they are "bitter"...well, better not believe them, cuz they're not "biblical" Sound familiar?
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rjfernalld (rjfernalld)
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Username: rjfernalld
Post Number: 1589
Registered: 11-2004
Posted From: 71.123.64.10
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Part V
If you are reading this and are confused, let me tell you something. I am an ex-member with nothing to lose or gain by telling the turth. I have no power base to protect, no hidden agenda to crush the GGWO because of the pain they caused me, no monetary gain to look forward to, and no cult leader to impress. So...what's my motivation, you ask? To help others out of this quagmire of filth, corruption, lies and abuse before it is too late that's the motivation. Those of us willing to step up to the plate and say the truth about this phony den of iniquity have nothing to gain ...but you do. You have need to care for your own spirit...if you continue to swallow the lies, your spirit and the Holy Spirit in you will be grieved to the point where it can no longer witness the Christ in others or to others effectively. I know...I was there...oh you'll go soul winning, you'll take classes...but something becomes sour inside. You become more like the snobbish Christians who believe they alone are the elite of the Kingdom, and you be the sarcastic SOB that you see posting on line. If that's what you think God approves of then stay at GGWO, because you'll be just like them. And in so doing you will missoout of the many belssings of becoming a Christian that isn't a puppet.
True Christianity does not NEED to resort to undue influence and mind control tactics to covert sinners and make disciples. Cults, such as GGWO, because they teach false doctrines such as "pastoral authority" etc, must employ tactics to keep people isolated, indoctrinated and in fear of the world at large and anyone who duissents to maintain controll over the congregation.
GGWO is a cult, of this there is no doubt. No amount of pretending it isn't a dangerous destructive bible based cult will make it so. No matter how many sarcastic posts from newly ordained pastors who are friends with GGWO changes the truth. My suggestion to those who are still there?
RUN
SPEND A LITTLE TIME WITH GOD
FIND A REAL CHURCH TO ATTEND
DON'T LOOK BACK, NEVER GO BACK |
sidethorn (sidethorn)
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Username: sidethorn
Post Number: 596
Registered: 1-2006
Posted From: 169.253.4.21
| | Posted on Wednesday, February 08, 2006 - 8:49 am: |
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Right on RJ!!! Great posts!
Also, GGWO doesn't want to be called a cult because...
Carl Stevens believes he is perfect and his every word is a word from God Himself.
Those in good standing at GGWO believe that Carl Stevens is God's specially appointed and anointed apostle for today.
They believe Carl has special revelation and is never wrong.
To disagree with Carl is to disagree with God.
They think calling Carl a cult leader is a direct insult to God's special man. They could never believe that God would appoint a cult leader over them. (Truth is Carl appointed himself as cult leader over them!!)
They believe the GGWO teaching or Carl's teaching is superior to everyone else. To them, Carl's teaching is the standard of truth against which everything else must be weighed.
There is a way that seems right to a man or woman, but it's so very wrong. On the surface, GGWO can really look so good and correct. Carl designed it that way in order to hook unsuspecting people in for his own use. But in reality, Carl's teaching is far from the truth and designed to entrap people into serving Carl and the GGWO leadership.
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isabella (isabella)
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Username: isabella
Post Number: 680
Registered: 11-2004
Posted From: 24.60.65.227
| | Posted on Wednesday, February 08, 2006 - 6:37 pm: |
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Side,
I agree that:
"On the surface, GGWO can really look so good and correct. Carl designed it that way in order to hook unsuspecting people in for his own use."
BUT,
Those people who have been in there so long, especially pastors knew a long time ago that things were not right.
They didn't do anything when they learned about the 'Fleecing of the Flock', because they had too much to gain and too much to lose, if they spoke up.
People like Schallar, Robinson, Morrison, Love and LeClair, (not to mention Lewis and Marr), have known for years, what has been going on.
They don't believe that Wig-Boy has a special revelation.
They just tell the unsuspecting that he (wig) does, so they can rope them in for the killing.
They know, collectively, everything we have experienced over the past 30 years, so they're either idiots or complacent.
They know exactly what's going on, Sidethorn.
Also, there are many congregants who know too. The thing is, they can't face the fact that they have been 'hoodwinked', so they keep on keeping on, thus, helping the chalitans, who are helping the wig-boy, who is helping himself....
and then you die....
Thanks,
Isabella |
pressing_on1 (pressing_on1)
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Username: pressing_on1
Post Number: 79
Registered: 1-2006
Posted From: 151.196.170.220
| | Posted on Thursday, February 09, 2006 - 12:33 am: |
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I can assure of this Carl is no longer in control. He has a nurse coming to his house everyday now.
This could actually be a good thing seeing she is now the only one who can administer drugs needed to him, although there is nothing to stop others from doing so in the evening, or first thing in the morning before she arrives.
He's out of the picture, except for an occassional mention of him here and there to keep people from wondering.
The leaders slowly worked on weening the body of him, I imagine to prevent to much chaos after he passes but I'm sure others will leave when Carl is totally out of the picture.
Some will still stay thinking they are honoring God and pastor by staying under Schaller. |
david_munson (david_munson)
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Username: david_munson
Post Number: 2198
Registered: 9-2005
Posted From: 65.143.31.61
| | Posted on Thursday, February 09, 2006 - 10:29 am: |
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If a visiting nurse is coming in everyday then Carl is at the end of this life and it shouldn't be very much longer before he passes.
Most likely she is making his last moments as comfortable for him as she can.
I pray that the Lord reaches him before he passes and he repents of his wrong doing towards so many.
I may hate what is/has/continues to take place but I hate no person.
Watch how Schaller and his cohorts handle this one.They'll stumble all over themselves.
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sidethorn (sidethorn)
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Username: sidethorn
Post Number: 600
Registered: 1-2006
Posted From: 158.59.91.31
| | Posted on Thursday, February 09, 2006 - 3:41 pm: |
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Isabella, great post that really says it all!!
They may be weaning the people of Carl, but not his legacy and teaching. Too many people have enjoyed a lot power by being part of the cult machine. Not to mention wealth too. Top pastors at GGWO like Love and Schaller wouldn't be where they are without their part in promoting Carl and his legacy. Of course they are being part of it regardless of what they know of errors in the teaching or harmful church policy. They do have a lot to lose!! They will try to keep the cult kingdom alive with or without their founder but who knows for how long. I think God will have the last word on this one. |
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