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Author Message   steelsword (steelsword) Intermediate Member Username: steelsword Post Number: 488 Registered: 1-2006 Posted From: 207.69.137.21 Posted on Thursday, January 19, 2006 - 9:29 am:        I was looking for some comedy , so i turned to TBN yesterday and there it was, a cute blonde,with a great comedy show. I got so caught up in wanting her to take a breath, i don't think i heard much of her message other than sow me a seed etc. Oh my my , what this gal will do for money.   hbjgrace (hbjgrace) New member Username: hbjgrace Post Number: 14 Registered: 1-2006 Posted From: 68.74.104.19 Posted on Thursday, January 19, 2006 - 9:32 am:        Paula white has some good points but she is confused when it comes to seed sowing. What she says is twisted scripture.   redeemed4life (redeemed4life) Junior Member Username: redeemed4life Post Number: 28 Registered: 1-2006 Posted From: 12.34.246.5 Posted on Thursday, January 19, 2006 - 11:39 am:        I think she has an amazing testimony concerning what she went through as a child and on in to adulthood but she is WAYYYYY off in her teachings. Did you all know that she and her husband allowed R.Kelly to do a concert IN their church? Talk about mixing the world and the church. Anyway, I think that she got in their with TD Jakes and Juanita Bynum and has tried to immitate them in order to draw a following and the sad part is, it has worked.   hbjgrace (hbjgrace) New member Username: hbjgrace Post Number: 17 Registered: 1-2006 Posted From: 68.73.64.137 Posted on Thursday, January 19, 2006 - 12:01 pm:        I don't believe all her teachings are off. I believe God shows us differnt things at different times. Sometimes we can only accept part of what he is showing us, because of our immaturity (spelling?) She is a young christian and has tons to deal with yet in her past. She I believe from what I have read has not embraced the pain and let love enter in.   redeemed4life (redeemed4life) Junior Member Username: redeemed4life Post Number: 29 Registered: 1-2006 Posted From: 12.34.246.37 Posted on Thursday, January 19, 2006 - 1:55 pm:        While it is true that all of her teachings are not off here is the problem that I have. We can say that Kenneth Copeland's teachings are not ALL off, but he does teach contrary to God's word on many things as do many many pastor's preachers and teachers, however he is still, as with Paula White, mixing falacies (sp?) with the truth and that is a scary thing. I personally choose not to follow her teachings anymore because of this and I look to the Word to govern my life. Anyone who can stand up on t.v and preach a message about you giving $69.17 to TBN according to Psalms 69:17 (I dont remember the actual amount and scripture she used but it was similar to the above referenced) is not someone I want to follow. hbjgrace, I disagree with your comment about being a young christian, however if that is the case then she should really step down from "co-pastoring" and take time to grow in her faith and become more mature in Christ. As for her not embracing the pain and letting love in, that could very well be true, however many people feel that because they know they have been forgiven of sin they are also healed from the hurts and that is SOOOO not the case. I hate to say it but she has associated with people who teach and preach in error and she now is doing the same. As the Word says, " Bad company corrupts good character."   hbjgrace (hbjgrace) New member Username: hbjgrace Post Number: 25 Registered: 1-2006 Posted From: 68.73.64.137 Posted on Thursday, January 19, 2006 - 2:00 pm:        The reason I believe she is a young christian is in the way that her teachings are off. I have been a christian for 29 years and am still growing God is revealing new things to me each day. Based on her beliefs and preaching God has a lot to show her yet although God shows us things at different times. She may have somethings right that I have yet to get.   redeemed4life (redeemed4life) Junior Member Username: redeemed4life Post Number: 34 Registered: 1-2006 Posted From: 12.34.246.39 Posted on Thursday, January 19, 2006 - 2:58 pm:        I see where you are coming from. Let me ask you this question. Is it possible that she is not a young christian but rather caught up in false teaching? People who teach falacies mix in enough truth to make is sound convincing. My personal opinion is that she is doing this very thing.   hbjgrace (hbjgrace) Junior Member Username: hbjgrace Post Number: 34 Registered: 1-2006 Posted From: 68.73.64.137 Posted on Thursday, January 19, 2006 - 3:04 pm:        I believe it would depend on her heart. Is she truely seeking God? only God knows. Shouldn't we know it by her fruits:   redeemed4life (redeemed4life) Junior Member Username: redeemed4life Post Number: 36 Registered: 1-2006 Posted From: 12.34.246.39 Posted on Thursday, January 19, 2006 - 3:22 pm:        What fruit is she bearing that you personally see? When I heard that she and her husband had R.Kelly come to their church and do a concert I was heartbroken. What business do they have with the world and what did they really show their flock by having this man who has been known to have sex with underage girls and exploits women come into their church and do a concert? Not only did they compromise there but how about her speaking at MegaFest, when they allowed Patti LaBelle to sing and Inda Arie, who by the way doesnt even believe in Jesus? Compromising for fame and notoriaty (sp?)I think that shows her heart in a big way.   hbjgrace (hbjgrace) Junior Member Username: hbjgrace Post Number: 37 Registered: 1-2006 Posted From: 68.73.64.137 Posted on Thursday, January 19, 2006 - 3:24 pm:        I agree. So her fruit looks bad.   hbjgrace (hbjgrace) Junior Member Username: hbjgrace Post Number: 38 Registered: 1-2006 Posted From: 68.73.64.137 Posted on Thursday, January 19, 2006 - 3:32 pm:        I do believe she is also winning souls for christ and feeding the hungrey. Satan is the acuser of the saints. We can only judge fruit   mikko (mikko) Intermediate Member Username: mikko Post Number: 403 Registered: 3-2005 Posted From: 69.242.21.100 Posted on Saturday, January 21, 2006 - 10:27 pm:        the r kelly thing is a real mind blower , heres a guy bent on porn in his life and music , some youth pastor claimed kelly is saved but i wonder . do saved people get tattoos smoke drink have unmarried sex and run to the same excess of riot like the rest of the world? this is probably similar to that new movie out "The Gospel" where a church hires someone due to talent instead of christian character.   gsrh (gsrh) Intermediate Member Username: gsrh Post Number: 126 Registered: 1-2005 Posted From: 67.167.0.42 Posted on Sunday, January 22, 2006 - 5:59 pm:        Mikko, So called 'saved' people do all of those things and more. Take a look around your local church. People are doing everything under the sun and leadership is looking the other way and saying nothing. Mainly because they don't want anyone to tell what they have been doing. Also, some of the biggest perps are the mort generous givers and tithers. That ticket to heaven is expensive. Regarding the church hiring people based on talent than on 'christian character'...that happens all of the time. I have seen this type of behavior in several churches. It's amazing. I have been in the inner circles of some of these churches and you wouldn't believe some of the behavior and actions that I have witnessed. ::::::shaking my head:::::   rachellengland (rachellengland) Intermediate Member Username: rachellengland Post Number: 138 Registered: 1-2006 Posted From: 69.128.222.206 Posted on Tuesday, January 31, 2006 - 12:51 pm:        Mikko many rap artists and R&B singers claim to be christians-one minute they are singing F you B*tch and pass the joint- and when they accept a grammy- they say thank ya Jesus-Whatever!!!! you will know someone is a christian by the love and peace they spread!!!! Oh and yes Paula White is a nut-but hey even woman preachers can be nutty-equal rights I say!!!!! (Message edited by rachellengland on January 31, 2006)   lov_faith_hope (lov_faith_hope) New member Username: lov_faith_hope Post Number: 21 Registered: 2-2006 Posted From: 72.130.224.140 Posted on Sunday, February 19, 2006 - 8:01 am:        R.Kelly is not just a normal lusty secular guy. He has deeper more perverse things going on. I think Paula made a mistake and was duped. She has a good heart and wanted to give him a chance. He lies to himself and to her. You gotta question why the Church, and so many pastors are ignoring the books of 1st and 2cnd Corinthians. What about the book of Galatians? I like Paula White and she ministers to me and in many areas of life and ministry. If she were to admit that she made a mistake or was charmed by a perpetrator then it would be a great example and humble. Because of her background that she shares openly about, she has the vulnerability to be duped by manipulative men. When someone/anyone becomes very successful and trusted they slip into a false confidence that they no longer are capable of making serious mistakes in judgment. Paul said, "I count not myself to have apprehended..." Pastors are responsible for the condition of their sheep and what they are fed and for being an example. Pastors should healthfully fear the Lord about that. They will give an account the Bible says for these things.   truthfinder Member Username: truthfinder Post Number: 87 Registered: 2-2006 Posted From: 203.177.240.206 Posted on Tuesday, March 21, 2006 - 12:16 am:        Can i ask you guys a question? if jesus Christ is the same yesterday today and forever than that would mean that the word of God is the same yesterday today and forever right! well the word of God Clearly tells us a Woman is not allowed to teach, the apostle paul tells us in 1 tim 2:12 I do not allow them to teach or to have authority over men; V13 For Adam was created first and then Eve V14 And it was not Adam who was deceived; it was the woman who was deceived and broke God's law, not only does the apostle paul tell us a women can not be a Church leader but he even tells us why!!! and in his first letter to the church of Corinthians in CH 14 V34 He Says, Let your women keep silence in the {CHURCHES}= PLURAL= all the Churches not only the Church at Corinth, as must Apostate churches teach! then it goes on to say, For it is not permitted unto them to speak; But they are commanded to be under obedience, as aslo saith the law, {Not that were under the law any longer}, but the law confirms it!!! Now in V35And if they will learn anything, let them ask their husbands at home, then Paul explains why here also, For it is a shame for women to speak in the Church!!! then Paul goes on to tell us in V37 that the things that he writes unto you are the commandments of the lord. Just what part of this do we not understand, Why do people fight so hard against the word of God as it is written, and try so hard to twist it or change it into saying what you want it to say??? The word of God says what it means and means what it says. Many will say Lord Lord on that Day!!! But Christ will say i never knew you. God Bless Truth   gsrh Intermediate Member Username: gsrh Post Number: 201 Registered: 1-2005 Posted From: 67.167.0.42 Posted on Tuesday, March 21, 2006 - 8:01 pm:        Truthfinder....Paul made those comments and they have been taken totally out of context...and I don't feel like explaining it again. However, Jesus had no problem with women. Mary was an apostle, not a prostitute. If Jesus thought it was fine, who are we to challenge it? Who do you listen to....Paul (even though he didn't mean it in the context in which you are using it) or Jesus?   gsrh Intermediate Member Username: gsrh Post Number: 202 Registered: 1-2005 Posted From: 67.167.0.42 Posted on Tuesday, March 21, 2006 - 8:07 pm:        If this is what the women in church are dealing with, then I see why they are turning to lesbianism.   truthfinder New member Username: truthfinder Post Number: 1 Registered: 2-2006 Posted From: 203.177.240.206 Posted on Wednesday, March 22, 2006 - 4:49 pm:        gsrh, their was no such thing as a women preacher 2000 yearr ago.. it was unthought of and unheard of, the same as it should be today, can you please show me in scripture where its taught word for word as it is written that mary was an Apostle! i am a nondenominational Preacher in the Philippines and my wife teaches the Sisters and childern a Bible study about an hour before i start Preaching every Sabbath morning, But thats her Role in our Ministry, I dident mean women can not teach at all, becouse the bible says they can but they can not lead over men or hold Church offices as Church leaders according to the scriptures, A Church leader must be the husband of one wife, not the wife of one husband!!! God Bless you Truth PS the Truth is that Womem, Gays and Lesbians are trying to take over the church, and the sad thing about it is they are doing just that, We need to Repent and go back to the true order which was taught and practiced 2000 years ago when Christ and his Apostles walked the face of the earth! Jesus Christ is the same yesterday today and forever, Please show me One single women preacher in the NT scriptures, and if you can not than please except the fact that women should not be preachers today!!!   gsrh Intermediate Member Username: gsrh Post Number: 137 Registered: 1-2005 Posted From: 67.167.0.42 Posted on Wednesday, March 22, 2006 - 8:09 pm:        History testifies, that when the Apostles departed from Jerusalem for preaching to all the ends of the earth, with them also went Mary Magdalene to preach. Mary Magdalene is mentioned in the Gospels as being among the women of Galilee who followed Jesus and His disciples, and who was present at His Crucifixion and Burial, and who went to the tomb on Easter Sunday to anoint His body. She was the first to see the Risen Lord, and to announce His Resurrection to the apostles. Accordingly, she is referred to in early Christian writings as "the apostle to the apostles."   gsrh Intermediate Member Username: gsrh Post Number: 138 Registered: 1-2005 Posted From: 67.167.0.42 Posted on Wednesday, March 22, 2006 - 8:28 pm:        If there were no women teaching the Word 2000 years ago....then What was Mary doing? Was she going along to wash their clothes and cook for them?   infoman Advanced Member Username: infoman Post Number: 888 Registered: 9-2005 Posted From: 67.175.31.119 Posted on Thursday, March 23, 2006 - 11:37 am:        What Does the Bible Say About Women Preachers? There is not one Scripture in the Bible that forbids women from preaching, but on the contrary, there are many verses that encourage both men and women to preach the Gospel. The Bible teaches that "God is not a respecter of persons", and He will use any and all who will yield to Him, regardless of race, age, or sex. Galatians 3:28 - "...neither male nor female...for ye are all one in Christ Jesus." Acts 10:34 - "...God is no respecter of persons...." Moses said in Numbers 11:29, "Would God that all the Lord's people were prophets, and that the Lord would put His spirit upon them!" The crying need of the hour is for more laborers. It is a trick of the enemy to try to down rate thousands of our faithful laborers just because they were born females. The Great Commission, Mark 16:15, "Preach the Gospel," is to ALL believers, and to all the church of Jesus Christ. The command to "preach the Gospel" is to both male and female. It is an undeniable fact that God has called and anointed thousands of women to preach the Gospel. The Full Gospel organizations have hundreds of licensed and ordained women who are preaching, teaching, evangelizing, pastoring, and doing mission work with the signs following their ministry. God is using them for the salvation of the lost, deliverance from sin, gifts of the Spirit, and infilling of the Holy Spirit. The Bible says, "Touch not mine anointed and do my prophets no harm." And may we be reminded of the Scripture in Acts 5:39, "If it be of God, ye cannot overthrow it; lest haply ye be found even to fight against God." When someone says, "God does not call women to preach," it is like saying that God does not baptize with the Holy Spirit today. We know better, because we have witnessed and experienced it with our own ears and eyes. I would be afraid to condemn women preachers, lest I would be found to be fighting against God, and to be committing the vile sin of attributing the works of the Holy Spirit to the devil. Women preachers are a fulfillment of Bible Prophecy and another sign of Christ's soon return to earth (Joel 2:28; Acts 2:17-18). The Bible new testament declares that women will prophesy: 1 Cor. 11:5, "For every woman that prayeth or prophesieth...." Both the Hebrew (Nebrah), and Greek (Proph) used for prophetess means (female preacher). (See Young's Concordance, Pg. 780.) The word "Prophet" means a public expounder. The word "Prophesy" means to speak forth, or flow forth. The Bible says in 1 Cor. 14:3, "But he that prophesieth speaketh unto MEN to edification, and exhortation and comfort." The dictionary says, prophesy is "to speak under divine inspiration...to preach." Therefore we learn from the original translation, from the Bible interpretation, and from the dictionary, that to prophesy means more than to tell the future, but it is to speak publicly about the past, present, or future. It is to preach under the anointing of the Holy Spirit. The Old and New Testament prophets and prophetesses were also preachers of God's Word.   infoman Advanced Member Username: infoman Post Number: 889 Registered: 9-2005 Posted From: 67.175.31.119 Posted on Thursday, March 23, 2006 - 11:39 am:        God called and used women preachers in the Old Testament. a. DEBORAH - Judges 4:4-5. Deborah was a Judge for both civil and criminal cases. The children of Israel came to her for judgment. She was the chief ruler of Israel for 40 years, giving orders to the Generals and all the army. She did the work of an evangelist, prophetess, Judge, and a preacher. God gave her authority over the mighty (Judges 5:13). b. MIRIAM - Exodus 15:20; Numbers 12:1; Micah 6:4. She was a Prophetess and a Song Leader in Israel. c. HULDAH - 2 Kings 22:14. Five men went to Sister Huldah and communed with her. She spoke to a congregation of men concerning the book of the Law. A female preached to a man's congregation, and her message was taken to the nation and produced a revival. d. MAHER-SHALAL-HASH-BAZ'S MOTHER - Isaiah 8:3. She was a prophetess. God called and used women preachers in the New Testament. a. The first message of the Resurrection of Christ was spoken by women to a group of men. b. Anna - Luke 2:36-38. She must have prophesied in church, because she did not depart from the temple. c. Phillip had 4 daughters who prophesied. Acts 21:9. d. Priscilla assisted Paul in his revival meeting and even taught Apollos in the way of the Lord more perfectly. e. Phebe - Romans 16:1-2. Paul commended Phebe to the Church at Rome and requested that they assist her in her business. She was one of Paul's assistants in the work of the Lord and delivered the Book of Romans to the people from the hand of Paul. There is no sound reason why a woman or man should not preach the Gospel. There is a desperate need in the church for more workers. Laborers are few, and God will use any and all who will go for Him. Some say God will not use a woman to preach, because "The woman was deceived," but remember Romans 5:12: "Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world." It seems to indicate that Adam was just as guilty as Eve in the fall of man. If anyone should be kept from preaching because of sin, it would be Adam. But God does not forbid anyone from preaching, because of Adam's or Eve's sin.   mikko Intermediate Member Username: mikko Post Number: 415 Registered: 3-2005 Posted From: 69.242.21.100 Posted on Thursday, March 23, 2006 - 1:05 pm:        pretty soon it will be whitney houston and bobby brown singing at your church   gsrh Intermediate Member Username: gsrh Post Number: 140 Registered: 1-2005 Posted From: 67.167.0.42 Posted on Thursday, March 23, 2006 - 2:23 pm:        I would enjoy seeing them sing. Sunday is entertainment time now anyway. Free concert...yeah!!!!! Maybe Aretha Franklin can come sing too. We all love seeing her wear clothing that are clingy with her ample bosomzzzzz bursting forth...kinda like the bombs bursting in air (Star Spangled Banner states it so eloquently)! She makes me want to stand up and recite the pledge or grab my heart. We also love seeing her cheddar cheese (cottage chees just won't do)thighs due to her ultra short mini skirt. I can see it now!!! I wonder if they will let me bring my own snacks??? After they have entertained us.....then the pastor can bring the give and it shall be given unto message. I will gladly purchase an extra bag of Twizzlers to put in the collection plate for Aretha. I will purchase handcuffs for Whitney and Bobby's enjoyment. Where the foe's haughty host in dread silence reposes (also from the Star Spangled Banner) <---- the response of all of those religious people who oppose everything fun. Was the Star Spangled Banner a prophecy? (Message edited by gsrh on March 23, 2006)   gsrh Intermediate Member Username: gsrh Post Number: 141 Registered: 1-2005 Posted From: 67.167.0.42 Posted on Thursday, March 23, 2006 - 2:37 pm:        Triple threat!!!! Victory!   redeemed4life Intermediate Member Username: redeemed4life Post Number: 138 Registered: 1-2006 Posted From: 12.34.246.37 Posted on Friday, March 24, 2006 - 11:01 am:        Well you know that if you go to Mega-Fest that you can see singers like Patti LaBelle and India Irie. They were both there past year. There were some people who walked out when Patti LaBelle came on stage and other people booed her. She said afterwards that she was offended at the way they (Christians) treated her because they should have known when they invited her that she was a SECULAR artist and she would perform as such. India Irie doesnt even believe in Jesus, oh and not to mention Steve Harvey was there too and you know how vulgar he can be. Really makes you wonder what these people are thinking-the ministers that is??   trsrinheaven Intermediate Member Username: trsrinheaven Post Number: 283 Registered: 12-2004 Posted From: 67.175.31.119 Posted on Friday, March 24, 2006 - 3:16 pm:        Owning, maintaining and operating a private jet can cost over sixteen times the price of flying commercial airlines. STARTER JETS,to the top of the line. · Paula White owns a Hawker-Siddeley "Jet Dragon" – aptly named for the trail of smoke it would leave IF it could fly or IF she could get parts for this 1965-vintage relic. Truly a vanity purchase, it's been grounded since she bought it, just so she can SAY she has a jet. http://wittenburgdoor.com/archives/airmen.html }   gsrh Intermediate Member Username: gsrh Post Number: 143 Registered: 1-2005 Posted From: 67.167.0.42 Posted on Friday, March 24, 2006 - 6:06 pm:        My point exactly R4L. You can't tell who is who and most don't know what is what anymore....   infoman Advanced Member Username: infoman Post Number: 890 Registered: 9-2005 Posted From: 67.175.31.119 Posted on Friday, March 24, 2006 - 7:42 pm:        grsh get a room? please... a chat room. This thread is about Paula (the greed lady) White...and her con husband.   gsrh Intermediate Member Username: gsrh Post Number: 144 Registered: 1-2005 Posted From: 67.167.0.42 Posted on Friday, March 24, 2006 - 8:37 pm:        I will post what I like when I like....thank you very much. I don't like them eaither...but you guys kill the horse and then beat it 100 times. I would have more respect for most of you if you offered solutions or alternatives to these ministries besides Wommach....let's find some local ministries in these charlatans towns and help people get out. I don't have any solutions and I don't pretend like I do. I work out my own savation with fear and trembling. If you talk about something worthwhile I may join. Until then....whatever dude!! Until then....I will post as I choose. Why? Because I can. My father died many years ago and I didn't elect you to take his place.   gsrh Intermediate Member Username: gsrh Post Number: 145 Registered: 1-2005 Posted From: 67.167.0.42 Posted on Friday, March 24, 2006 - 8:45 pm:        Go argue with someone else. I am not taking the bait.   trsrinheaven Intermediate Member Username: trsrinheaven Post Number: 287 Registered: 12-2004 Posted From: 67.175.31.119 Posted on Saturday, March 25, 2006 - 6:40 am:        · Paula White owns a Hawker-Siddeley "Jet Dragon" – aptly named for the trail of smoke it would leave IF it could fly or IF she could get parts for this 1965-vintage relic. Truly a vanity purchase, it's been grounded since she bought it, just so she can SAY she has a jet. Owning, maintaining and operating a private jet can cost over sixteen times the price of flying commercial airlines. http://wittenburgdoor.com/archives/airmen.html   hope_faith_and_love Intermediate Member Username: hope_faith_and_love Post Number: 316 Registered: 9-2005 Posted From: 69.236.23.160 Posted on Saturday, March 25, 2006 - 1:30 pm:        We have two sides here.... One one side you have those like trsinheaven, nikita, the pompous JRJ, gsrh, and redeemed4life accusing ministries of failing to be like Christ. This is how gsrh and redeemed4life work out their own savation with fear and trembling and no one questions them? Not one of these worry about the poor example they have set for being Christ's witnesses. _________________________________________________ gsrh, post#140 Posted on Thursday, March 23, 2006 - 2:23 pm: I would enjoy seeing them sing. Sunday is entertainment time now anyway. Free concert...yeah!!!!! Maybe Aretha Franklin can come sing too. We all love seeing her wear clothing that are clingy with her ample bosomzzzzz bursting forth...kinda like the bombs bursting in air (Star Spangled Banner states it so eloquently)! She makes me want to stand up and recite the pledge or grab my heart. We also love seeing her cheddar cheese (cottage chees just won't do)thighs due to her ultra short mini skirt. I can see it now!!! I wonder if they will let me bring my own snacks??? After they have entertained us.....then the pastor can bring the give and it shall be given unto message. I will gladly purchase an extra bag of Twizzlers to put in the collection plate for Aretha. I will purchase handcuffs for Whitney and Bobby's enjoyment. Where the foe's haughty host in dread silence reposes (also from the Star Spangled Banner) <---- the response of all of those religious people who oppose everything fun. Was the Star Spangled Banner a prophecy? ________________________________________________ redeemed4life, post#138 Posted on Friday, March 24, 2006 - 11:01 am: Well you know that if you go to Mega-Fest that you can see singers like Patti LaBelle and India Irie. They were both there past year. There were some people who walked out when Patti LaBelle came on stage and other people booed her. She said afterwards that she was offended at the way they (Christians) treated her because they should have known when they invited her that she was a SECULAR artist and she would perform as such. India Irie doesnt even believe in Jesus, oh and not to mention Steve Harvey was there too and you know how vulgar he can be. Really makes you wonder what these people are thinking-the ministers that is?? ______________________________________________ Nikita, Have you never seen the truly poor these ministries help. A Christian television station is there to make the Gospel readily available to everyone. Their efforts to help the poor and hurting the world over is done through special outreaches. The woman I described is by no means poor, she is probably one who needs to be reprimanded for not being careful with the little she was given. But she only used any excuse she could to besmirch these television stations much as you have done and trsinheaven works feverishly to do. Trsinheaven and redeemed4life want these ministries publically slandered to turn people away. They do not care about others who are helped. For too long false "pious" Christians have presented the kind of witness gsrh and redeemed4life have done and this has caused people's hearts to harden against Jesus Christ. Who here cares enough to count the cost of the two fold damages they cause? Here is something to think about... The woman with a little did not prove herself faithful... But these ministries you attack for having jets they must have proved faithful with the little they had... Or are you going to deny the Word of God?   gsrh Intermediate Member Username: gsrh Post Number: 152 Registered: 1-2005 Posted From: 67.167.0.42 Posted on Saturday, March 25, 2006 - 2:02 pm:        Nothing to worry about at all. I am secure...lmao   gsrh Intermediate Member Username: gsrh Post Number: 155 Registered: 1-2005 Posted From: 67.167.0.42 Posted on Saturday, March 25, 2006 - 2:45 pm:        Redeemed....we are famous hope_faith_love (less) has cut and pasted our posts all over the place. I am anxiously waiting for my Academy Award. It is an honor and a privilege to have spoken such profound words that it is being posted in multiple forums. Wow! I feel like a little girl getting her first Barbie. I can't stop smiling (seriously, someone unstick my lips from my teeth).   redeemed4life Intermediate Member Username: redeemed4life Post Number: 144 Registered: 1-2006 Posted From: 4.252.241.144 Posted on Saturday, March 25, 2006 - 10:05 pm:        GSRH- I like the fact that she is doing it because now more people will be exposed to the TRUTH about what these ministries are up to. The fact that she boldly insists that "we" need to be questioned amazes me since it would seem from her stance on the issue that she fully supports allowing SECULAR, NON-BELIEVING artist to perform and CHRISTian events, now THAT is something that needs to be questioned.. By the way I accepted the award on your behalf!   john_r_jones Intermediate Member Username: john_r_jones Post Number: 406 Registered: 9-2005 Posted From: 65.13.172.230 Posted on Sunday, March 26, 2006 - 6:01 am:        Well HFL, Now that my secret's out-I'm pompous plastered across two threads I'll leave you to the screen and keyboard acrimony department which seems to keep you occupied. John   gsrh Intermediate Member Username: gsrh Post Number: 168 Registered: 1-2005 Posted From: 67.167.0.42 Posted on Sunday, March 26, 2006 - 8:43 am:        lol   gsrh Intermediate Member Username: gsrh Post Number: 169 Registered: 1-2005 Posted From: 67.167.0.42 Posted on Sunday, March 26, 2006 - 8:45 am:        I don't even listen to Carmen's music but we are famous over there....maybe we should remix his stuff??   redeemed4life Intermediate Member Username: redeemed4life Post Number: 146 Registered: 1-2006 Posted From: 4.253.71.93 Posted on Sunday, March 26, 2006 - 12:40 pm:        GSRH- You crack me up....I dont listen to his music either but I have some ideas for the remix.. Maybe we can get Aretha, Patti and India Irie to sing back up vocals!!! John you pompus?? NO WAY!!!!!   belovedone New member Username: belovedone Post Number: 13 Registered: 10-2005 Posted From: 12.146.202.65 Posted on Monday, March 27, 2006 - 12:20 pm:        All joking aside, is it me, or has Paula had work done? She came to my church in January of this year, and she looked completely differently. I have seen her "do her thing," and have come to the conclusion that she is an excellent motivational speaker. In my opinion, and this is just my personal opinion, she does not teach Biblical Truth, therefore, she really cannot call herself Co-Pastor. Being married to the Pastor and having the ability to speak does not make you a Co-Pastor. (Message edited by belovedone on March 27, 2006)   redeemed4life Intermediate Member Username: redeemed4life Post Number: 149 Registered: 1-2006 Posted From: 12.34.246.5 Posted on Monday, March 27, 2006 - 2:29 pm:        I havent seen or listened to Paula White in a long time. I used to love to listen to her but when I started reading the word for myself I began to see how in error she really is. Then when I heard she let R.Kelly do a concert in her church I was too thru!!!!   redeemed4life Intermediate Member Username: redeemed4life Post Number: 150 Registered: 1-2006 Posted From: 12.34.246.36 Posted on Monday, March 27, 2006 - 2:33 pm:        I havent seen or listened to Paula White in a long time. I used to love to listen to her but when I started reading the word for myself I began to see how in error she really is. Then when I heard she let R.Kelly do a concert in her church I was too thru!!!!   gsrh Intermediate Member Username: gsrh Post Number: 175 Registered: 1-2005 Posted From: 67.167.0.42 Posted on Monday, March 27, 2006 - 6:58 pm:        John...I keep telling you that the problem is that you use too many big words....dumb it down some.   gsrh Intermediate Member Username: gsrh Post Number: 176 Registered: 1-2005 Posted From: 67.167.0.42 Posted on Monday, March 27, 2006 - 7:02 pm:        I don't listen to them often. Yes, it does seem as though she has had some work. However, she must keep herself looking presentable. I wish them the best. I believe quite a few of them know for a fact that they are teaching in error, but there is too much at stake now. They have to continue n order to stay in the good graces of their friends. It's just a matter of time before one of them gets convicted by the Holy Spirit and bring forth the truth or either end up in the nut house.   john_r_jones Intermediate Member Username: john_r_jones Post Number: 425 Registered: 9-2005 Posted From: 65.13.172.230 Posted on Monday, March 27, 2006 - 10:22 pm:        gsrh, I'm terrified that if I do I'll wind up with a jet! John P.S. then I'll be scared that I'll understand why I need the jet!   saint_rahab Member Username: saint_rahab Post Number: 88 Registered: 12-2005 Posted From: 4.164.219.244 Posted on Monday, March 27, 2006 - 11:17 pm:        I bought one of Paula White's tapes. Everytime I listened to it, I could not get past the part where she squealed about her delightful sex life. I finally gave up and threw the tape away. And john r jones I need for you to stay smart, because I was going to get you to borrow one of those planes and pilot me to see gsrh.   saint_rahab Member Username: saint_rahab Post Number: 89 Registered: 12-2005 Posted From: 4.164.219.244 Posted on Monday, March 27, 2006 - 11:22 pm:        I bought one of Paula White's tapes. Everytime I listened to it, I could not get past the part where she squealed about her delightful sex life. I finally gave up and threw the tape away. And john r jones I need for you to stay smart, because I was going to get you to borrow one of those planes and pilot me to see gsrh.   redeemed4life Intermediate Member Username: redeemed4life Post Number: 155 Registered: 1-2006 Posted From: 12.34.246.37 Posted on Tuesday, March 28, 2006 - 10:08 am:        I see that I am not the only one having technical difficulties posting on here!   saint_rahab Member Username: saint_rahab Post Number: 90 Registered: 12-2005 Posted From: 4.164.225.27 Posted on Tuesday, March 28, 2006 - 12:51 pm:        Yes, it doesn't let you know that it is posted and your raw information comes back up again. Then you don't know where it went - whether it is still there or whether it was posted.   bachman Junior Member Username: bachman Post Number: 48 Registered: 9-2005 Posted From: 162.84.180.94 Posted on Thursday, November 30, 2006 - 5:35 pm:        Paula recently taped her program here in NYC and I went. She's the "real deal" from what I can tell spending 8 hours watching her tape her program. (I'm also a partner.) As many of you know, I have started to work with a Christian group in Romania that the Copelands have supported for years and Paula also has a heart for the poor due to her background. She introduced Donald Trump at the NYC taping -- he's not saved yet but he contacted her -- and she works with Tyra Banks, too, so she is entering some interesting territory! I partner with four international ministries and take that seriously, interceeding for them each and every day. For those of you who like Paula and like she's really going into the "world" (Trump, et al) remember to pray for her because it's obviously a challenge. I was blessed to hear that she does what she does -- and it's a LOT -- with a staff of only 30 people! Really amazing! Peace in Him, Bachman   ultimate1 Intermediate Member Username: ultimate1 Post Number: 447 Registered: 1-2006 Posted From: 67.175.31.119 Posted on Sunday, December 03, 2006 - 4:46 pm:        Bad steward again using God's money with no saving of souls. From STARTER JETS,to the top of the line. · Paula White owns a Hawker-Siddeley "Jet Dragon" – aptly named for the trail of smoke it would leave IF it could fly or IF she could get parts for this 1965-vintage relic. Truly a vanity purchase,for status symbol, s it's been grounded since she bought it, just so she can SAY she has a jet. http://wittenburgdoor.com/archives/airmen.html Owning, maintaining and operating a private jet can cost over sixteen times the price of flying commercial airlines. $4,000 and per hour and more just for jet fuel to fly, plus maintenance, crew, landing fees, licensing, fees etc.   anony Intermediate Member Username: anony Post Number: 225 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 68.88.226.250 Posted on Friday, December 29, 2006 - 9:50 am:        This woman drives me nuts. She's a show person, thrives on the theater and stardom of 'Christian' television. Nothing would surprise me about her. I was stunned when I saw her make her Loretta Young grand entrance on her program with Donald Trump and announce that the church really needed to hear his message about how to become wealthy!!!!!!! What is the church coming to?????? These people are compromised apostacized world-loving fruitcakes!!   anony Intermediate Member Username: anony Post Number: 227 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 68.88.226.250 Posted on Friday, December 29, 2006 - 11:04 am:        And why would anyone want to work for a living when they can invest 100.00 and get 1000.00 back at any time??? By gosh, a person could get rich over night with a 100.00 investment and not have to lift a finger except to write checks and make deposits to his bank accountS.   belovedone New member Username: belovedone Post Number: 17 Registered: 10-2005 Posted From: 66.215.30.13 Posted on Monday, January 01, 2007 - 9:59 pm:        Bachman, I am blessed that you are blessed by her ministry of financial wealth. I am not going to bad mouth her personally or her ministry. However, when you involve your ministry with unsaved individuals, you are asking for trouble. Yes she is doing work with celebrities, but what is she actually doing with them? To what extent is there involvement with her ministry? Are they truly working with her ministry, or is this a way to break into Hollywood? Also, how will they minister, if they are not save. AND, to whom are they ministering? They are not saved! The only thing that they can offer is financial wealth. Yes, it would be nice to not have to be concerned about finances, but financial prosperity does not get you into heaven. God is more concerned with our spiritual wealth, for the Bible says: But I rejoiced in the Lord greatly, that now at the last your care of me hath flourished again; wherein ye were also careful, but ye lacked opportunity. Not that I speak in respect of want: for I have learned, in whatsoever state I am, therewith to be content. I know both how to be abased, and I know how to abound: every where and in all things I am instructed both to be full and to be hungry, both to abound and to suffer need. But my God shall supply all your need according to his riches in glory by Christ Jesus. Philippians 4:10 - 12, 19 He said in His Word that He will supply ALL MY NEED. Not some, not most and definitely not a majority. He said all. I receive it, and I believe. As an ambassador for Christ, she needs to be mindful of the individuals she allows into her fold. The Bible says: Take heed therefore unto yourselves, and to all the flock, over which the Holy Spirit hath made you overseers, to feed the church of God, which He hath purchased with His own blood. For I know this, that after my departing shall grievous wolves enter in among you, not sparing the flock. Acts 20:28 - 29 I am not saying that these individuals are up to no good. But as He said in Acts 20, there's a very good chance they are up to something. I attend The City of Refuge in Gardena, and she has, on several occasions, spoken. The first time I heard her, I was not impressed by her personally. However, because the Bible tells us not to judge anyone, I gave her another try. However, now I know it's not just her, it's her ministry. I commend her on her efforts with the poor, however, I have yet to hear of anyone being blessed by her ministry for the poor. Yes, she has a staff of only 30, and yes they are doing good work, but where is the fruit? Who is being blessed? Where is the money going? Why should I invest? As someone who has worked for a non-profit organization, and in HR, I know that a non-profit gives to those in need AFTER payroll has been made. How much is she paying each member of her staff? Are they working overtime? How much is she being paid? These things affect the bottom line. And whether you want to believe it or not, I personally do not believe that there is much money left over for the poor. Maybe I'm wrong. I doubt it, but I am open to comments and another point of view.   rachelengland Senior Member Username: rachelengland Post Number: 2525 Registered: 5-2005 Posted From: 216.109.192.236 Posted on Monday, January 08, 2007 - 9:42 am:        Have any of you taken the "first fruits" of your New Year and given them to Paula Whites ministry? This was the basis of her program yesterday giving your first fruits of the year to her so the rest of your year would be blessed. What a joke!! Day after day this all I see on Christian Television and it is a sad scenario!!!!! And she reminds of a Nellie Olsen from Little House on the Prairie! (Message edited by rachelengland on January 08, 2007)   bachman Member Username: bachman Post Number: 82 Registered: 9-2005 Posted From: 162.83.248.166 Posted on Monday, January 08, 2007 - 11:02 am:        belovedone, as I mentioned earlier, I live in NYC and was at the NYC taping--the one that Trump appeared. Several shows were taped that day. It was sort of funny to see Trump in that environment -- no, he is not saved yet. Paula said off air that he contacted her, and said he considers her "his pastor" -- whatever that means! But we are not to despise the day of small beginnings and I find it a blessing that at least Trump reached out to her. And if you saw the episode, Paula DID point back to the Word while Trump said things like "what you folks believe" and "God helps those who help themselves" and so forth. Because I partner with four ministries, I take that seriously and pray for them each day as the Lord leads -- not just, "Bless Paula!" etc. Because she is involved the celebrity crowd, God really put it on my heart to pray for her to remain pure in her teaching/preaching, etc. I'm sure it's VERY easy to caught up in all that nonsense. Jack Hayford of Church on the Way went through this many years ago (the 1980s) when so many celebrities were visiting COTW and getting saved. He came under a lot of critism because these people were brand new in the Lord and yet were still very "public" people -- many living with boyfriends/girlfriends, staring in questionable TV shows or playing "bad" characters, etc. Jack was very upfront, saying that they were growing up in public and reminded us all that when Jesus preached, MULTITUDES of sinners followed Him and ate with him -- if you look into the Greek, the word sinners means people that were "well known" to be sinners, or "famous" for their sin. And they followed Him and He never sent them away, He even ate with them! And He didn't sit there and say, "You shouldn't wear that/say that/do that." My point is that I pray for Paula -- it's easy to gossip about her and others, but as her partner, I sincerely interceed for her. I know at the NYC taping, I was on the street when she arrived about 8 AM. (She's NOT a morning person!) She's a tiny little lady -- REALLY small! -- and I was struck at how exhausting it all must be (she looked tired!) I can only post/support ministries I support, and I pray and defend them. There is a LOT of Carmen bashing, Benny Hinn, etc but I'm not a partner or follower of them, so I don't post. I appreciate your meek and honest spirit and your posting. You "tried her" and found her lacking, so you've obviously moved on, which is great. Partner and support those people He calls you to, pray and defend them. And no, rachelengland, I didn't send Paula my "first fruit" offering to Paula. I did enjoy some of the teaching and Hebrew word study. You obviously didn't so I wonder why you watched if you thought it was "a joke." There are MANY TBN preachers I can't stand--and they are trashed here, of course! -- but I don't watch them because the do zero for me. I always ask people who they DO support, and encourage you to let us know the ministries you DO support so perhaps we can see what has blessed you. Peace in Him -- and wishing you a blessed 2007, regardless of your thoughts on First Fruits! : ) Bachman   anony Intermediate Member Username: anony Post Number: 236 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 64.123.204.14 Posted on Monday, January 08, 2007 - 11:20 am:        What a crazy post, Bachman. I am am on my way out right now but will comment on it later if someone else hasn't already.   rachelengland Senior Member Username: rachelengland Post Number: 2528 Registered: 5-2005 Posted From: 216.109.192.236 Posted on Monday, January 08, 2007 - 11:27 am:        I'll let you-I'm trying not to hurt people's feelings this year bachman said to me, what many supporters of these ministries say- well if it's a joke why do you watch? I say we have to be informed consumers and we have to be aware of the trash that is out there, so we can let others know how deceiving these ministries are, new christians and innocent people get "caught up" in the hype of these ministries and many find themselves "caught up" in a big scam e\when it's all said and done! (Message edited by rachelengland on January 08, 2007)   bachman Member Username: bachman Post Number: 83 Registered: 9-2005 Posted From: 162.83.248.166 Posted on Monday, January 08, 2007 - 11:41 am:        rachelengland, I understand the idea of being an "informed consumer" (or wise as serpent, etc.) But I guess I didn't understand WHY you watched Paula if you ALREADY didn't like the message. In other words, there are certain people's post here that are on my "ignore list" because they are usually really nasty or say the same thing over and over and over again. It's like, "I get it. You don't like Ministry X." So in the same way I never read those posters, I never watch those preachers that annoy me. Anyway, what ministries do you like and support? Thanks, Bachman   rachelengland Senior Member Username: rachelengland Post Number: 2529 Registered: 5-2005 Posted From: 216.109.192.236 Posted on Monday, January 08, 2007 - 11:49 am:        Well bachman, I'm not sure why it matters to you but I support Compassion,Unicef and my local church. I also give to the Woody Guthrie Foundation and other various non-profit arts foundations. I do not give money to TV preachers- it is a rare occasion that I find one who is honorable. James Robinson supports a clean water act for 3rd world countries and Charles Stanley is so thoughtful in his messages. Despite what your pal getagrip said about me- I am not clueless nor am I a ho-and YOU can give to whoever YOU wish. I am just not impressed with someone who asks for your first fruits in order to be blessed throughout the year(wacky)... R (Message edited by rachelengland on January 08, 2007)   bachman Member Username: bachman Post Number: 84 Registered: 9-2005 Posted From: 162.83.248.166 Posted on Monday, January 08, 2007 - 12:13 pm:        rachelengland, because it often gets so "hot and heated" here, I had started another thread asking people to name ministries they SUPPORT. (sound of crickets!) Actually, it was sort of fascinating because it came out that many, many people here have no church home, or had horrible church experiences, refused to give to ANY "Christian" organization. It helped explain much of the frustration here. Charles Stanley is someone I support, too--his books are terrific, too, if you're a reader. I like James Robinson too -- he and his wife continue to be touched by the plight of the 3rd world countries they minister to; no hard hearts there! - B   rachelengland Senior Member Username: rachelengland Post Number: 2539 Registered: 5-2005 Posted From: 216.109.192.236 Posted on Monday, January 08, 2007 - 12:45 pm:        Well it is nice we can agree. I always loved James Robinson teachings on forgiveness they have helped me through some hard times but I still will speak out here against ministries I think are shady. Out here in the real world(as cybermom would say) I very rarely speak of my experiences. I find other people way too interesting. Oh, and that Woodie Guthrie thing is because I love Bob Dylan and Woodie inspired him. I am not nerdy, I just like a good foundation!   bachman Member Username: bachman Post Number: 85 Registered: 9-2005 Posted From: 162.83.248.166 Posted on Monday, January 08, 2007 - 12:50 pm:        My favroite Dylan albums are BLOOD ON THE TRACKS and SLOW TRAIN COMING! ! - B   rachelengland Senior Member Username: rachelengland Post Number: 2541 Registered: 5-2005 Posted From: 216.109.192.236 Posted on Monday, January 08, 2007 - 12:55 pm:        AWESOME!!! Bye   getagrip Intermediate Member Username: getagrip Post Number: 490 Registered: 6-2005 Posted From: 72.77.188.86 Posted on Monday, January 08, 2007 - 3:44 pm:        RE Not only do we not know you are fragile, you insist that you are not so. You argue everywhere on Factnet, no one would ever know that about you. You say you are tough, I take you at your word. NO ONE SAID YOU WERE A HO RACHEL. The song I teased you with was simply playing back to you what YOU YOURSELF SAID, that you had "do not use sexual innuedos on this site any longer". Plain and simple, I did nothing but reaffirm that you were NOT using sexual language on Factnet no mo'. No one insinuated anything about your mother. I posted what YOU said about your mother and made the comment "Someone come and rescue me and make "them" apologize like you did the other day" because that appears to be the nature of your relationship with Franklin. If you are so sensitive about your sexuality, why would you post a joke about yourself like, "ahhhhhhh sexual innuendos-you know the crazy thing about that is - I've learned sex sells and when people see that word in correlation to my name, it brings them over here"? Who would ever know what taking it too far is? I stated SEVERAL times that it is wrong for a preacher to tell someone NOT TO TAKE MEDICINE, enough times that I will not bother cutting and pasting. On Dec 29th I stated, "Hi Racheal; I am very, very sorry to hear about your mother but I would be remiss if I did not say that if it were not for what my family has gleaned from the Word through Bro Hagin and Bro Copeland's teaching ministries, my mother would most assuredly be dead. Very sorry to hear about your mom, must be tough around the holidays - it is very much so for our family. We lost my brother when he was 18 in a tragic accident just after we were all born again and we (my family) vowed to never lose another one... We haven't and we won't. Again, very sorry about your loss." I almost lost my mother twice this year, and my mother in law lives with very debilitating cerebal palsy. I could not have made it clearer that I had compassion for you in your situation with your mother. I shouldn't have joked with you, I won't do so again. I would have NEVER known that you were very sensitive in my very, very brief dealings with you on Factnet. In fact, I respectfully requested that you and Franklin and I IGNORE one another as soon as I saw that the two of you were going on the attack. You did not, neither did he. He and Jimito should be ashamed of themselves for allowing you to continue on Factnet if you are not up to the debates, the sniping, and the teasing... If they are your friends, they would do well and they would be godly to make sure that you get the love and the help that you need, rather than provoking further exchange between all of us by threatening me physically (Franklin) and you are not doing the Lord's work Jimito to atagonize and cause strife. You two should be ashamed. Love on your friend, make sure she gets help and leave me out of your Factnet experience. You IGNORE ME and I WILL IGNORE YOU.. In fact, I will do my best to stay off of any Franklin related threads. Rachel I am very sorry that I teased you, again I had no idea that you were in any weakened condition, suicidal, hurting, or greiving whatsoever. For the two of you who knew and continue to provoke people on FACTNET when Rachel is involved, you thoroughly disgust me. Be ashamed of yourselves and rest assured, no matter what you post I WILL CONTINUE TO IGNORE YOU. Rachel, my apology is sincere and I truly hope that you get the help that you need and that you stay off of Factnet if it is painful to you. Your friends could at least be accountable to help you do that.   franklin Senior Member Username: franklin Post Number: 4778 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 76.4.117.127 Posted on Monday, January 08, 2007 - 6:55 pm:        That is the most insincere, insulting, artificial and disgusting "apology" I have ever read! Factnet is not pain inflicting. YOU ARE!   cybermom Advanced Member Username: cybermom Post Number: 646 Registered: 12-2004 Posted From: 67.186.102.112 Posted on Monday, January 08, 2007 - 7:06 pm:        "Username: rachelengland Post Number: 2530 Posted on Monday, January 08, 2007 - 11:58 am: Thank you for your response witness and I agree with you about the doctrines!. I can handle the bad treatment despite what someone said I am not going to kill myself!" I was going to leave this alone and not post it but just couldn't. I think whoever posted that she was going to kill herself needs to be the one to apologize for all the drama that has been stirred up, apparently over nothing. So you don't have to keep churning everyone up over something that R herself says she can handle. I think you both have directed all the attention away from the topics at hand and onto yourselves for way too long so I'm not going to address this nonsense any longer. It is a waste of my time and there are many more important things for people to ponder and discuss than franklin and rachel.   jimito Member Username: jimito Post Number: 65 Registered: 6-2005 Posted From: 64.108.73.98 Posted on Monday, January 08, 2007 - 7:20 pm:        cybermom you have been attacking rachel since she came to these threads over some past sexual allegations. You are a judgemental woman and i hope you sleep well tonight knowing you have hurt someone who is a dear person. You are nasty laughing at the songs getagrip posted and getting angry with her for using humour to defend herself. You are not a christian woman and no better than those who wanted to throw stones at the woman who comitted sin. You would be the first to stone a sinner. She has never caused a scuffle on board by posting her angst. You are just unbelievable where is she now-she is not picking up her phone, she left her job you could of been nicer and yet you want to accuse others the internet is a very real thing have you heard of suicide clubs have you heard of people getting in trouble on my space and other areas. i suggest you say a prayer for her she and franklin were hardly pornographers cybermom they hardly were tag team members in fact many times rachel has jumped on franklin's case.   cybermom Advanced Member Username: cybermom Post Number: 647 Registered: 12-2004 Posted From: 67.186.102.112 Posted on Monday, January 08, 2007 - 7:24 pm:        "Username: rachelengland Post Number: 2530 Posted on Monday, January 08, 2007 - 11:58 am: Thank you for your response witness and I agree with you about the doctrines!. I can handle the bad treatment despite what someone said I am not going to kill myself!"}   jimito Member Username: jimito Post Number: 67 Registered: 6-2005 Posted From: 64.108.73.98 Posted on Monday, January 08, 2007 - 7:39 pm:        You are a game player again trolling and bullying by posting peoples innocent words i am going to the moderator about you, you have stepped over the line you heartless evil ••••• go email your boyfriend getagrip laughing at his jokes with your girlish charm you think you are cybermom the moderator.   franklin Senior Member Username: franklin Post Number: 4780 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 76.4.117.127 Posted on Monday, January 08, 2007 - 7:41 pm:        The DRAMA started when I quoted Kenneth Copeland. Then the personal attacks came. Is he God Almighty, beyond reproach, beyond question? When he calls God a "loser" and that "we are God's" it is like Nemrod shooting an arrow in the sky defying God. Yet that is when the viciousness began. When I quoted his own words. Hmmmm!?!   cybermom Advanced Member Username: cybermom Post Number: 649 Registered: 12-2004 Posted From: 67.186.102.112 Posted on Monday, January 08, 2007 - 7:59 pm:        My FINAL post to you on this subject, jimito & company: Interesting: I've never resorted to name-calling with you - oh no sorry, I think I did use "drama queen". Girlish charm? I'm probably old enough to be your mother/grandmother. And franklin is the one who tells people to be quiet, so now who is the moderator wannabe. Not HERE, anyway. Stepped over what line?? The line where you get to determine who can exercise free speech and who can't? Go to the moderator: Who did I threaten? Or use foul language with? I didn't know copying/pasting was against the rules. If so 80% of factnet posters would be kicked off. So now who's being the bully? I didn't write the above post, Rachel did. Innocent words??? Was she lying? Telling the truth? "Just kidding?" You tell us. Because we certainly can't tell. Maybe your purpose here is to be a distraction but I'm not going to help you any longer. Maybe I should report YOU to the moderator for constantly taking people off topic. Like I've said elsewhere, if you don't like it, start your own thread. Enough is enough and I am so through with you. Or as my favorite Judge would say, "Stick a fork in me 'cause I'm SO done." (Actually you'd like to do that, now, wouldn't you.)   getagrip Intermediate Member Username: getagrip Post Number: 498 Registered: 6-2005 Posted From: 72.77.188.86 Posted on Monday, January 08, 2007 - 8:13 pm:        Do you like apples?   jimito Member Username: jimito Post Number: 69 Registered: 6-2005 Posted From: 206.148.113.86 Posted on Monday, January 08, 2007 - 8:30 pm:        franklin, you have been nice to rachel thank-you for that, you got her away from that ihs character and the atheist downfall. she never needed us to stick up for her, i am just amazed at the cold hearts makes me want to take a drink and i know i get angry but sometimes you want to say wake up people be kind to one another. this cybermom and getagrip persons or person who knows on factnet if they are one in the same look at trsinheaven i here he she is infoman nikita and ultimate one all this game playing.factnet needs to have more moderation. It's why i never post much here i went to the aa threads and frankencrist chewed me up and spit me out. Well hopefully now cybermom is at peace she got rid of rachel england and getagrip i don't like apples but i can tell you where to stick one you-you sicko   getagrip Intermediate Member Username: getagrip Post Number: 500 Registered: 6-2005 Posted From: 72.77.188.86 Posted on Monday, January 08, 2007 - 8:36 pm:        You got your ••• kicked by Cybermom... HOW YOU LIKE THEM APPLES?   trsrinheaven Advanced Member Username: trsrinheaven Post Number: 850 Registered: 12-2004 Posted From: 67.175.31.119 Posted on Monday, January 08, 2007 - 8:58 pm:        jimito aka whoever and the rest of whose got the last word people. People apologized even though its questionable who was offended or faking. Move on or take this to another thread. This thread is about Paula White and is the title of this thread. ENOUGH to the nth power....boring???? ok??????????   nikita Intermediate Member Username: nikita Post Number: 433 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 76.16.119.47 Posted on Tuesday, January 09, 2007 - 9:16 am:        ...excuse me jimito. What the heck are you talking about? I have not been posting on factnet very much lately. Why are you bringing My name into anything here?? I am listed here on Factnet as nikita! Where do you get that I am anyone else?? Look at the ip addresses. What is up with this? Someone else posted an answer to my name on another post that I had not even posted on!! Please stop. When I have something to post. I will. I am nikita only. Peace Nikita   bachman Member Username: bachman Post Number: 87 Registered: 9-2005 Posted From: 162.83.239.247 Posted on Tuesday, January 09, 2007 - 10:36 am:        Well. Ahem. I have sent the "first fruits" of these recent posts to Paula White. She sent them back. Said they were "bad fruit." Oh well.   trsrinheaven Advanced Member Username: trsrinheaven Post Number: 858 Registered: 12-2004 Posted From: 67.175.31.119 Posted on Tuesday, January 09, 2007 - 1:26 pm:        Is tithing a principle that is basically led by Gods spirit in us giving to good stewardship accountable results producing ministry with ten percent a minimum on all income? Or is tithing this giving by obligation of the law. I have found the new testament written in the hearts of all born again spirits(the Holy Spirit wrote the Bible and is the born again spirit that comes to reside in all who ask. We are told to be led by the spirit of God in everything. Romans 8:11. Giving ten percent ONLY is so restrictive and set in stone as to limit God and ourselves in a box. God is unlimited. God desires relationship in everything we do and Jesus said our spirit our heart is connected to our treasure. God wants all his children to learn his word and recognize his voice in their spirit. We are called to relationship to and through his Holy Spirit that Jesus said leads us and guides us into all truth. The obligation type giving is canceled out and explained in 2Cor9. We are also redeemed from the curse.Gal 3:13 Malichi should never be used for giving to try to obligate, condemn, and motivate people to give through fear. God does not motivate by fear but by love. Giving is worship. Worship is motivated by love. Faith works by love. Obligation is not a Godly motivation. It is impossible to rob God. He is God. Try robbing him. Its a joke. When will all these so called teachers, and pastors stop using old testament demands for new testament relationship through Gods new covenant and Holy Spirit. Giving becomes easy if we follow the Holy Spirit and Gods word in conjuntion and harmony. We should only give to ministries willing to be accountable to the givers. Good ground with proven results.   traditionmeetstruth New member Username: traditionmeetstruth Post Number: 4 Registered: 1-2007 Posted From: 67.191.18.68 Posted on Wednesday, January 17, 2007 - 8:36 pm:        Many false doctrines which supposedly are coming from God are now subtly pointing the Church towards a ‘dominion-ship now’ doctrine. This doctrine makes all the Saints of God wealthy and in control of the goings on in this world. This doctrine is being cleverly disguised and cloaked inside a call to righteousness. Therefore, we see the clergymen doing a balancing act to make wealth and the riches of this world fit inside the righteousness of God. Impossible. Many preachers have made it to what they call the top, (which is nothing more than the acquisition of things), when they do hear the TRUTH, they have to acknowledge it, but their want for things, recognition and power over people is so strong; they must find a way to bring some balance to the word that is now coming out of the heavens. The result is to agree with the the TRUTH and then add to it 'dominion now'. In other words, the inference is that because the saints of God are being taught to be holy they are now qualified to receive the riches of this world. Nevertheless, the truth is still the same. Jesus told us to take no thought for your life. Our meat is to do the will of our Father. It is really upsetting to see how the erroneous perspective of scripture and many prophets’ words are outside the boundaries of what the Bible teaches. There is only one explanation for this. Many of the true prophets and ministers of God have become infected by the ability of the mighty dollar. They have become diseased with lust and greed. Therefore, their hearts are no longer pure and they cannot clearly see the Kingdom of God. The bottom line is that they have been seduced by the love of money and the pleasures of this world.   anony Intermediate Member Username: anony Post Number: 254 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 70.240.94.185 Posted on Thursday, January 18, 2007 - 6:03 am:        It's good to see you here, Traditionmeetstruth. From what I've learned all WOF leadership embrace this insidious dominionist theology. You are so right - they are worldly minded,love the world and the things of the world. They have a worldly agenda that has nothing to to with the Lord's mission for his church. This is true of the high Evangelical leadership as well. I wish we could discuss this more fully somewhere. Maybe some of the sheep who have gotten caught up in it will open their eyes to see what is really going on.   traditionmeetstruth New member Username: traditionmeetstruth Post Number: 7 Registered: 1-2007 Posted From: 67.191.18.68 Posted on Thursday, January 18, 2007 - 2:44 pm:        Many Saints in the church have been desperate for far too long with fruitless struggle, contention, offense, knowing there to be more to Christianity than what is being taught and has been taught for a generation or more. The present "televised leaders" who have a global reach and voice, for the most part, teaches about a "God of their own making and imagination". The God that is preached and taught and His desires for His people do not resemble scripture or His true heart and purpose for His Church - His Body. The Lord's true leaders are on the horizon with a 'sure word' straight from the heart of God. Be encouraged. We will see the fullness of the Mystery of God coming forth through leaders who are coming forth "walking in the character and power of our Christ." It is the mind and heart of the Father not to have just a people, but a family; those who are likened unto Himself. True Sons who obey His word and walk in it. Jesus Christ being the prototype, for He is the first born of many brethren and as He is so are we in this world. There are those who seek knowledge. They really want to know the Word of God and to be able to minister it to large congregations. But today’s leaders and those who desire to be leaders stop short of what they are willing to do. Many true Sons have prayed for the Lord to restore order to the church so that the truth could be revealed. Prayer has gone forth for the Lord to raise up a generation that would obey. We have all known there would be a generation that would manifest the power of the living Christ. Be encouraged..... tmt   cybermom Advanced Member Username: cybermom Post Number: 658 Registered: 12-2004 Posted From: 67.186.102.112 Posted on Thursday, January 18, 2007 - 3:33 pm:        lov_faith_hope (lov_faith_hope) New member Username: lov_faith_hope Post Number: 18 Registered: 2-2006 Posted From: 72.130.224.140 Posted on Friday, February 17, 2006 - 7:18 am: Edit Post Delete Post Print Post Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only) Quote: About BE YE PERFECT. "Newest Release by Dr. Mary Banks. As seen on TBN!Discover the other half of the Gospel of Jesus Christ! This is the message the Lord wants the Body of Christ to hear." "Mary Banks is a leader and a prophetic voice to a church that has been fed heresy and lies for many years." She says we are the "offspring of God" literally and are perfect. That we can live without ever sinning. This deceived and deceiving woman has taken a wrong turn spiritually and is teaching things that are her own thoughts and not the Bible. anony Found this on another thread. Thought the reference to TBN would interest you.   traditionmeetstruth New member Username: traditionmeetstruth Post Number: 8 Registered: 1-2007 Posted From: 67.191.18.68 Posted on Thursday, January 18, 2007 - 3:54 pm:        Dear Cybermom or is it Anony...? Yes I have seen this but thanks for the opportunity to respond. I will respond shortly. God bless.   cybermom Advanced Member Username: cybermom Post Number: 662 Registered: 12-2004 Posted From: 67.186.102.112 Posted on Thursday, January 18, 2007 - 4:00 pm:        tmt I was directing my post to anony, not you. Sorry for the confusion. But I Did go to the website you provided - I didn't like the fact that there wasn't any "sermon" or teaching for me to read to find out what this woman actually believes; everything there has to be purchased. I'm not shelling out money to a total stranger (who for all I know may be a total whacko) and known only to me by 2 women posting to each other on the internet. Second-hand info from you won't cut it. It's hearsay. Unless of course one of you IS really Mary Banks.   traditionmeetstruth New member Username: traditionmeetstruth Post Number: 9 Registered: 1-2007 Posted From: 67.191.18.68 Posted on Thursday, January 18, 2007 - 4:18 pm:        From the time we are born-again until the return of Jesus, our body, soul and spirit should be free from sin. Many contend that this is an impossibility. We have to decide what we are going to believe, the scriptures or the vain philosophy of men. For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh: (Romans 8:3). The finished work of Christ condemned sin in the flesh. What would be the purpose of even writing such a word if the Sons of God are doomed to be in a daily struggle with the law of sin in the flesh? This is as oil and water; the two just do not mix. God made provisions for us to live a holy, sinless life here on earth. The law was unable to do so, but the circumcision of the flesh through Jesus Christ has destroyed the power and dominion of sin within and without. Paul declares that we were sanctified wholly or completely, body soul and spirit. This is the work and Word of God. Colossians 2:10 And YE ARE COMPLETE IN HIM, which is the head of all principality and power: Being complete in Christ means we lack nothing. It means whatever God did with us is finished and nothing else has to be done. We do not need anything else to accomplish that which God has called us to do and to be. He has given us all things that pertain to life and godliness. When we say we are deficient, we can only be deficient in those things He told us to add to our faith. God’s work is complete. Colossians 2:11-12 11 In whom also ye are circumcised with the circumcision made without hands, in putting off the body of the sins of the flesh by the circumcision of Christ: 12 Buried with him in baptism, wherein also ye are risen with him through the faith of the operation of God, who hath raised him from the dead. …tmt   traditionmeetstruth New member Username: traditionmeetstruth Post Number: 10 Registered: 1-2007 Posted From: 67.191.18.68 Posted on Thursday, January 18, 2007 - 4:22 pm:        Then don't go to the websites and don't purchase anything. That is not of importance. But take the scripture I have given and open your heart to it. ...tmt   maryg New member Username: maryg Post Number: 12 Registered: 1-2007 Posted From: 67.191.18.68 Posted on Thursday, January 18, 2007 - 4:24 pm:        Hello, There are live broadcasts weekly at these sites and at www.marybanks.net there are plenty of free video on-demand files to watch and study.   cybermom Advanced Member Username: cybermom Post Number: 663 Registered: 12-2004 Posted From: 67.186.102.112 Posted on Thursday, January 18, 2007 - 4:31 pm:        Mary and t Thanks for your responses, but no thanks. BTW, why didn't just one of you post the answers? You're losing credibility (at least with me) by this perceived deception. If you're both there using the same computer, why not? Don't you speak to each other? Or is there in reality only one of you and you want it to appear as if there are more followers than really exist?   traditionmeetstruth New member Username: traditionmeetstruth Post Number: 12 Registered: 1-2007 Posted From: 67.191.18.68 Posted on Thursday, January 18, 2007 - 5:14 pm:        Millions of saints have given tremendous offerings expecting the Father to immediately reward them with great financial returns that never seem to materialize. They ignorantly continue to believe that this is the method that God wants to use to give them the wealth of this world. We have no right to believe God for something He never promised us. The church will never become financially prosperous based on a false doctrine. The saints of God are to give generously and freely to the gospel of the kingdom. If there was a formula for acquiring the wealth of this world, saints would be the richest people in the world today. This is not the case. As a result, many saints have become frustrated with formulated rituals given to us in the old Faith and Prosperity message and now the ‘Dominion Now’ or ‘Restoration’ false doctrine that do not work neither do they bring relief to their situations. Many are left with unresolved problems and the end result of it all is frustration in the Church! The Body of Christ is finally beginning to re-examine the old Faith and Prosperity message that has led us into wantonness and false hope for the acquisition of things. The Church has grown sick of the promise of a blissful, wealthy existence on planet Earth during this dispensation. The sad reality is that the Church really wants to believe in this false doctrine although down in our inward parts we sense that these doctrines might not be true.   trsrinheaven Advanced Member Username: trsrinheaven Post Number: 892 Registered: 12-2004 Posted From: 71.194.182.119 Posted on Thursday, January 18, 2007 - 7:26 pm:        tt "If there was a formula for acquiring the wealth of this world, saints would be the richest people in the world today." First of all if you look at the research that was also verified, used and quoted in "The Millionaire Next Door" you will find Christians among many other positive things, are the most prosperous people on the planet as a group. So you are way off. Even Jesus said "your will be done on earth as it is in heaven". There is no poverty in heaven. Jesus also said "Give and it shall be given to you, pressed down shaken together, and running over, for the measure you give so shall you be give to." Luke 6:38 Paul states "you will prosper and be in health even as your soul(mind, intellect) prospers" If you renew your mind on Gods word Romans 12:1-3, and are a doer of Gods word not just a hearer, Jesus said "you will be blessed in your deeds". The problem with the prosperity teaching is it is self - centered. Solomon the richest man in the world wrote Proverbs which states to give to God, give to the poor, be good stewards, and generous hearts. He was an example of generosity. God wants us to do things his way according to HIs system not the worlds way. We don't own anything. We are stewards. Jesus make this plain in Luke 16 and tells us to be faithful trustworthy with money using money to influence people to receive Christ, to win souls with, then we can be trustworthy with the most important things of God the Gospel and people. Stewardship, management, using Gods wisdom and direction, (not self-centered lustfilled frivolous spending) is what God tells us to do. God will bless without sorrow added to it those that are trustworthy stewards of even the little. He that is faithful in little will be faithful in much,.....Luke 16   anony Intermediate Member Username: anony Post Number: 257 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 65.65.183.8 Posted on Thursday, January 18, 2007 - 8:21 pm:        Too many red flags going up now, tmt. Sorry...   traditionmeetstruth New member Username: traditionmeetstruth Post Number: 13 Registered: 1-2007 Posted From: 67.191.18.68 Posted on Thursday, January 18, 2007 - 8:41 pm:        I am not saying there are not any true Christians who have prospered, nor am I saying that all christians should be poverty stricken. The Lord does prosper some Saints for the furtherance of the Gospel and to be witnesses onto Him in other spheres of influence that others could not reach. Lastly I do not hang my hat on research and books but on scripture. I agree with much of what you have said. But The Church has grown sick of the promise of a blissful, wealthy existence on planet Earth during this dispensation. Wrong dispensation. That time is the Millenium. The Lord has promised us spiritual blessings now and the riches of His glory which does not relate to materialism. It is really upsetting to see how the erroneous perspective of scripture and many teachings are outside the boundaries of what the Bible teaches. Many have become infected by the ability of the mighty dollar. They have become diseased with lust and greed. Therefore, their hearts are no longer pure and they cannot clearly even see the Kingdom of God. God bless, TMT   trsrinheaven Advanced Member Username: trsrinheaven Post Number: 894 Registered: 12-2004 Posted From: 71.194.182.119 Posted on Saturday, January 20, 2007 - 11:11 am:        traditionmeetstruth, I know that some people have misused the Biblical teaching of gaining wealth. We don't want to throw the Bible out just because a few fools listen to these fools partial truth, and miss the whole message. It is self centered not to care about reaching others with the Good News. To think we don't all need money to preach the Gospel to reach others is just what satan wants. It is a trick of the devil to try to derail believing Gods word for financial blessings so we don't use it for the Gospel, and the poor and are hindered reaching the world with the Gospel. The simple reason is these few goofs of prosperity spoil it for the real truth and leave out two major things Jesus taught. The WHY and the HOW? Prosperity is a good thing for those willing to effectivley use it to win souls, with a God centered word minded heart, and not self centered lusting fools. They leave out that we are called to use our abundance to WIN SOULS as it says in Deuteronomy 8 "God gives power to get wealth, TO ESTABLISH HIS COVENANT ON THE EARTH." We are called to use our abundance preach the GOOD NEWS to every person. 2Cor5, John 16, Mark 16 That does takes some money and of course the heart to put people first above money. Jesus told us "Our heart is where our money is .." The second place they miss it is in management, what the Bible refers to as STEWARDSHIP. Jesus taught about this all over the place. The parable of the talents etc and in Luke 16. The basic thing is "We don't own anything. We are stewards-caretakers, managers of everything we have, bought with the highest price of Jesus sacrifice. Jesus makes this plain in Luke 16 and tells us to be faithful trustworthy with money using money to influence people to receive Christ, to win souls with, then we can be trustworthy with the most important things of God the Gospel and people. Stewardship, management, caretaking using Gods wisdom and direction, (not self-centered lustfilled frivolous spending) is what God tells us to do. God will bless without sorrow added to it those that are trustworthy stewards of even the little. He that is faithful in little will be faithful in much,.....Luke 16   marta Advanced Member Username: marta Post Number: 684 Registered: 9-2005 Posted From: 67.186.107.143 Posted on Saturday, January 20, 2007 - 12:23 pm:        I can give you scripture after scripture that teaches us to give to the poor and to those in need. If you spend all your money on TV time and tracts, but ignore those around you who are in need ... you yourself are lost. 1Jo 3:17 - But if anyone has enough money to live well and sees a brother or sister in need and refuses to help – how can God's love be in that person? Mt 19:21 - Jesus told him, "If you want to be perfect, go and sell all you have and give the money to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. Then come, follow me." Lu 3:11 - John replied, "If you have two coats, give one to the poor. If you have food, share it with those who are hungry." Ac 9:36 - There was a believer in Joppa named Tabitha (which in Greek is Dorcas ). She was always doing kind things for others and helping the poor. Ac 10:4 - Cornelius stared at him in terror. "What is it, sir?" he asked the angel.And the angel replied, "Your prayers and gifts to the poor have not gone unnoticed by God! Ac 20:35 - And I have been a constant example of how you can help the poor by working hard. You should remember the words of the Lord Jesus: 'It is more blessed to give than to receive.'" 2Co 9:9 - As the Scriptures say, "Godly people give generously to the poor. Their good deeds will never be forgotten." Ga 2:10 - The only thing they suggested was that we remember to help the poor, and I have certainly been eager to do that. Ro 12:8 - If your gift is to encourage others, do it! If you have money, share it generously. If God has given you leadership ability, take the responsibility seriously. And if you have a gift for showing kindness to others, do it gladly. 2Co 8:14 - Right now you have plenty and can help them. Then at some other time they can share with you when you need it. In this way, everyone's needs will be met. 2Co 9:8 - And God will generously provide all you need. Then you will always have everything you need and plenty left over to share with others.   trsrinheaven Advanced Member Username: trsrinheaven Post Number: 895 Registered: 12-2004 Posted From: 71.194.182.119 Posted on Saturday, January 20, 2007 - 11:56 pm:        Marta, The only thing that matters when the curtain comes down on this life is whether you have relationship with God through Jesus Christ. You "must be born again to enter the kingdom..." Jesus said in John 3:3 if not then all the giving to the poor matters nothing.. Jesus said the poor you always have with you. That doesn't mean you neglect the poor. It does mean there are other priorities above giving to the poor only. There are too many so called GOOD WORKS that help the poor but leave out the Gospel. All they are is wood hay and stubble GOOD WORKS. They don't make a difference to the most important thing the kingdom of God. The most important thing is sharing the Gospel. That said, the Bible talks about giving to the poor. The priority is to those poor in spirit-the unbeliever being given the Gospel. The good news Great Commission is the top priority. The final thought is to do both...and not leave the other good thing undone. But lets keep the MAIN thing that matters most to ETERNITY. The good news message of offering eternal life to those in need of it. Heaven has plenty to go around to supply all the needs to those that seek and ask. The lights won't go dim in heaven to meet all the needs. Romans 11:35 "Who has ever given to God, that God should repay him?" Proverbs 19:17 He who has pity on the poor lends to the Lord, and that which he has given He will repay to him. So do both and don't forget to keep eternal life the highest priority. Giving a fish is fine but fishingfor souls gives one eternal relationship with the source of all things. He that wins souls is wise and will shine like the stars in the heavens"   marta Advanced Member Username: marta Post Number: 685 Registered: 9-2005 Posted From: 67.186.107.143 Posted on Sunday, January 21, 2007 - 10:29 am:        I think the wof "prosperity" message has twisted your thinking. As Jesus warned ... Mt 16:6 "Watch out!" Jesus warned them. "Beware of the yeast of the Pharisees and Sadducees." Why not follow the example of Jesus? He went out and ministered to those who were in need and as a result brought many to God. He didn't need TV time, tracts, or audio CDs. He didn't have jets, a large mansion, expensive clothing. What's the matter? Do people who are in need offend you? Do you think they caused it themselves because of their "unbelief"? That kind of thinking is caused by the yeast from those wof pharisees you have been listening to. When people with needs show up on their doorstep, they send them away with a pat on the head and an audio cassette, saying ... "believe and receive, doubt and do without". Read the parable about the rich man and the poor man Lazarus. I'm sure the rich man thought that he was richly blessed by God. I'm sure he thought that Lazarus brought on his own problems .. as he lay right outside the rich man's door. But how does the story end? Was the poor man rejected by God for his unbelief? Or was the rich man rejected by God for his lack of compassion for the poor man laying right outside his door? Do both? Indeed. Reach out and help those in need, show real compassion and love for those who are hurting, and you will fill up your churches and reach many for Christ.   trsrinheaven Advanced Member Username: trsrinheaven Post Number: 897 Registered: 12-2004 Posted From: 71.194.182.119 Posted on Sunday, January 21, 2007 - 8:39 pm:        rotfl Marta, I don't think you read my entire posts or you would know what I qualify and make clear. Marta I give to so many ministries to help the poor because its a blessing to help them. It is more blessed to give than receive. But I can give because I have an ABUNDANCE! I also give money, cars, clothes, food to ministries and individuals so they can take their chidren shopping and also personally for single mothers in needs etc. I don't listen to wof as you put it. I don't go along with the tithe ignorance the push. I know how to rightyly divide the word but I don't "throw out the baby with the bath water." The rich man was not a goof just because he was rich. The rich man was a goof because he was a goof. There are pleny of rich heathen that didn't get their money Gods way. But they are cursed with sorrows. God says "his blessings come by way of his ways and He adds no sorrows to them" There are plenty of wealthy people that are Godly people. So to generalize like you do is simply ridiculous. To read into and ADD to the scriptures that are not there borders on heresy and is at the very least grave error. These errors are also what stop people from being saved. The lack of money and resources that many good stewardship ministries have, causes the problems, lack and the difference of millions of souls being saved. There are two ditches along the road one on each side. Your camp of poverty is in one ditch, and the other camp of Financial abuses, Bad stewards, seeking things over peoples souls and gimmee gimmee gimmeee on the other side. The Bible tells people "those that are rich need to make sure they are rich towards God". Also as stewards we have the responsibility to make sure the money is used properly. No accountability, then no money should be given. Then all these charlatans would just dry up and go away. Its self policing. The problem is there are clones that just give to these fools and demand nothing of accountability to prove and show how their money is used. How stupid is that. The Bible has a lot to say about money. Jesus talked about money more than heaven or hell put together. It also talks about UNBELIEF as when Jesus stated it as the major culprit of why the disciples and why he could do no mighty works. People are poor for many reasons. To not desire an abundance beyond just your own needs is SINFUL and SELF CENTERED. Your attitude of helping the poor above reaching the lost, and not desiring to have an abundance beyond your own needs being met, is just the same demonic attidude of religious thinking ignorant tradition, that satan wants you to have. Unless you have an abundance you cannot give to every good work. Unless you have an abundance and are prosperous you cannot give to the poor. You are the poor. The good news is there is a way out of poverty. Jesus paid the price for poverty and took it on the cross. It is now our responsibility to follow Gods word and be a RESPONSIBLE giver, and faithful in litte so we can learn to be trusted to be faithful in much.   anony Intermediate Member Username: anony Post Number: 261 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 70.240.81.155 Posted on Sunday, January 21, 2007 - 8:53 pm:        I have given when I hardly had it to give and was probably the most blessed by my giving at those times. I still give almost everyday in some form. I don't think WOF understands that there is a lot more that is needed and to give than money money money money money.   marta Advanced Member Username: marta Post Number: 686 Registered: 9-2005 Posted From: 67.186.107.143 Posted on Sunday, January 21, 2007 - 9:35 pm:        trsrinheaven, I was going to comment on your post, but I think I'll pass. Seriously, get some help for whatever it is that is wrong with you.   trsrinheaven Advanced Member Username: trsrinheaven Post Number: 898 Registered: 12-2004 Posted From: 71.194.182.119 Posted on Monday, January 22, 2007 - 12:40 pm:        Marta, You make unfounded accuasations, ridiculous nonsensical generalizations, you give your little speal and then when someone shows your onesided errors and generalizations to you and you are afraid to admit your SHALLOW limited thinking. You state: I was going to comment on your post, but I think I'll pass. You say this to bow out because you have too much pride to admit that you know you were narrow minded with one-sided opinions and didn't see the whole picture. Being rich is not a goal in itself. Being rich is not a bad thing. Not being rich towards God is a bad thing. Instead we are told to use money to win souls and bless others in need. Doing both, and not leaving the first undone. We are called to be wise stewards, caretakers of what God gives to us and what resources we have for those ends. People put down the rich as if they are all bad people. This is a demonic lie sent to deceive people to keep them from getting the "wealth of the sinner" and using it to preach the Gospel and bless those in need. The point is until you have your own needs met you have nothing left over to give. You need more than just enough. More than just fine me and mine and no more. It is selfish sef centered narrow shallow thinking not to see this. God disires that you be a wise steward faithful in little to trust you in to be faithful in more. To be able to do more spreading the Gospel. If you have nothing then start where you are. It says in 2 Cor 9 "God will provide seed TO THE SOWER." If you ask God for seed to sow He will provide it. IT also says in 2Cor 9 and 8 that with that seed he will also provide your needs "bread for the eating". So God gives to those who ask seed for giving and also provides your needs. Find some good works with GOOD results to give to. The Bible says we will be given back more than enough to give to every good work. So start where you at and give your time, or what little you have and start where your are. It is not according to what you don't have but instead according to what you have so that equality is there.2Cor 8 This good stewardship and pledging by faith to give to the needs we are shown, this is a way out of poverty. Jesus paid the price for poverty and took it on the cross. It is now our responsibility to follow Gods word and be a RESPONSIBLE giver, and faithful in litte so we can learn to be trusted to be faithful in much.   marta Advanced Member Username: marta Post Number: 687 Registered: 9-2005 Posted From: 67.176.162.57 Posted on Monday, January 22, 2007 - 1:03 pm:        You state: I was going to comment on your post, but I think I'll pass. You say this to bow out because you have too much pride to admit that you know you were narrow minded with one-sided opinions and didn't see the whole picture. I said this to bow out because I can't argue with a crazy person. You keep putting words in my mouth ... where did I put down rich people, where did I say the rich man was rejected by God because he was rich. In fact, I specifically said that he was rejected by God because he ignored the needs of the poor man who was right outside his door. You accuse me of being a heritic, adding to what was written? Read the parable ... what part did I add? I think you have serious emotional problems. Get help. I won't be responding to any more of your posts.   anony Intermediate Member Username: anony Post Number: 274 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 70.240.81.155 Posted on Monday, January 22, 2007 - 1:52 pm:        TRS said: To not desire an abundance beyond just your own needs is SINFUL and SELF CENTERED Where did you get this from?? It totally flies in the face of scripture to the contrary. I'm not going to take the time to look them up. But you need to find them and let them sink in, TRS.   trsrinheaven Advanced Member Username: trsrinheaven Post Number: 899 Registered: 12-2004 Posted From: 71.194.182.119 Posted on Monday, January 22, 2007 - 8:51 pm:        Marta Marta, You are troubled about many things, but I have chosen the needful thing. lol You are getting mean in your rage against wof'ers of which I am not one. You call me names. You call me crazy, tell me I have twisted thinking, say I am offended by people in need, make accusastions, and tell me I have emotional problems. lol Then you give opinions that you are SURE OF that don't stand with scriptural accuracy. You are the ones putting words in my mouth that I don't say or mean. First you use a parable that really isn't about the poor. Jesus is showing where people go who are not committed to God, don't trust his prophets, and not committed to or believe His word. Instead they seek and trust in money. Marta says, " I'm SURE the rich man thought that he was richly blessed by God." Fact: The Bible never says that or implys it. Also there are many rich non believers never believe God didn anything for them. They are insulted you would say so. Also there is the worlds system and Gods system to getting blessed. This rich guy did not regard man or God. Then Marta says "I'm SURE he thought that Lazarus brought on his own problems " as he lay outside the rich mans door.(first it says outside His gate not door) FACT: The Bible says none of this yet you are say you are SURE. It sounds like he neither valued this man nor God. Lazarus could have made an enemyout of him prior. We just don't know. Should he have helped him. Yes, But not helping him did not put him in hell. Q- What causes someone to be poor? God them or satan or some combination thereof. The Bible says numerous things bring poverty, and numerous things get you out of poverty. God has a system and explains his system as I show in above posts. Marta you say "I specifically said (about the rich man)that he was rejected by God because he ignored the needs of the poor man" FACT: The Bible doesn't say this. The way you make it hell is by not accepting God by rejecting) Jesus is telling a story account of two people. Jesus then makes it clear what is wrong. They would not believe His prophets. They did not trust God or Gods word. Lazarus was now with Abraham (in paradise where old testament believers went until Jesus sacrifice made a way into the kingdom) and the rich man was over in hell. Luke "Then the rich man said, I pray thee therefore, father, that thou wouldest send him to my father's house: 28For I have five brethren; that he may testify unto them, lest they also come into this place of torment. 29Abraham saith unto him, They have Moses and the prophets; let them hear them. 30And he said, Nay, father Abraham: but if one went unto them from the dead, they will repent. 31And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead.   trsrinheaven Advanced Member Username: trsrinheaven Post Number: 900 Registered: 12-2004 Posted From: 71.194.182.119 Posted on Monday, January 22, 2007 - 9:02 pm:        anony, Here is a bunch of scripture regarding having abundance so you can give to every good work Not wanting an abundance is short sighted thinking. If you were thinking about more souls you would be desiring more money to give to missions and results producing evangelism. If you were thinking about the poor you would be wanting desiring more money to give to the poor. The need is large. The harvest is large. So it is self centered short sighted thinking that doesn't ask God for more or desire more to give. The scripture below in 2Cor9 shows it is Gods will that you have an abundance "to GIVE to EVERY GOOD work." Remember] this: he who sows sparingly and grudgingly will also reap sparingly and grudgingly, and he who sows generously [[a]that blessings may come to someone] will also reap generously and with blessings. 7Let each one [give] as he has made up his own mind and purposed in his heart, not reluctantly or sorrowfully or under compulsion, for God loves (He [b]takes pleasure in, prizes above other things, and is unwilling to abandon or to do without) a cheerful (joyous, "prompt to do it") giver [whose heart is in his giving].(A) 8And God is able to make all grace (every favor and [c]earthly blessing) come to you in abundance, so that you may always and under all circumstances and whatever the need [d]be self-sufficient [possessing enough to require no aid or support and furnished in abundance for every good work and charitable donation]. 9As it is written, He [the benevolent person] scatters abroad; He gives to the poor; His deeds of justice and goodness and kindness and benevolence will go on and endure forever!(B) 10And [God] Who provides seed for the sower and bread for eating will also provide and multiply your [resources for] sowing and increase the fruits of your righteousness [[e]which manifests itself in active goodness, kindness, and charity]. 11Thus you will be enriched in all things and in every way, so that you can be generous, and [your generosity as it is] administered by us will bring forth thanksgiving to God.   nikita Intermediate Member Username: nikita Post Number: 434 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 67.173.70.82 Posted on Wednesday, January 24, 2007 - 11:42 pm:        Marta, I am really amazed at your commets to Trs. What did he say that would possibly make you want to tell him to get some help? I did not see anywhere in his posts where he totally agreed with the Wof, or said not to give to the poor! This really does not sound like you Marta. You have always been understanding and very nice. I really think you misunderstood what he was saying. I can tell you first hand, that it was impossible for me.. to ever give to the poor when I only had just enough. I wanted so much to help so many. But I could hardly feed myself. Now, I believe God for more, so that I CAN give. Peace Nikita   marta Advanced Member Username: marta Post Number: 693 Registered: 9-2005 Posted From: 67.186.107.93 Posted on Saturday, February 03, 2007 - 2:17 pm:        I find trs's behavior on this forum disturbing. If you read my post you will see that my only point is that Christians have an obligation to help the poor as they are able. But trs turns it around and makes the assumption that I believe it's a sin to be rich. Never mind I have never once said anything like that. Then she proceeds to call me a heretic because I believe the parable of the rich man and Lazarus shows us what happens to those who ignore the poor that are right outside our door. For this I am branded a heretic? Trs is someone who cannot be reasoned with. She uses everything as an excuse to argue, call people names, or just ramble on for post after post, quoting Andrew Wommack as if he were God. Yes, I believe she needs help.   marriednhappy New member Username: marriednhappy Post Number: 20 Registered: 11-2006 Posted From: 24.15.92.242 Posted on Saturday, April 14, 2007 - 10:15 pm:        reading here about paula white there is her upbringing how good she is and how she preaches so well and how it helps. what do you readers think about her extra marital affair is that not against the ten commandments?   belovedone New member Username: belovedone Post Number: 18 Registered: 10-2005 Posted From: 64.215.225.254 Posted on Sunday, April 15, 2007 - 4:26 pm:        I am not a follower of her ministry, so I am not aware that there was infidelity in her marriage. However the Bible states: Thou shalt not commit adultery. Exodus 20:14 Thou knowest the commandments, Do not commit adultery, Do not kill, Do not steal, Do not bear false witness, Defraud not, Honour thy father and mother. Mark 10:19 For this, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Thou shalt not covet; and if there be any other commandment, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. Romans 13:9 Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness, Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies, Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God. Galatians 5:19 – 21 Behold, I will cast her into a bed, and them that commit adultery with her into great tribulation, except they repent of their deeds. Revelation 2:22 I have heard her speak a few times, and have heard her testimony of her childhood. However, I have never heard her testify to this. Say it isn’t so! Again, I am not a follower, but I do not want to see her ministry be affected unfavorably due to her lack of self-control on her part and the part of the other individual. My human curiosity has gotten the best of me. When did this affair occur and with whom?   gsrh New member Username: gsrh Post Number: 3 Registered: 1-2005 Posted From: 67.173.141.126 Posted on Tuesday, May 22, 2007 - 9:49 pm:        Fun stuff from Paula & Randy. They allegedly cheated an old lady out of her money. God is not pleased. http://www.tbo.com/news/metro/MGB9CH2XW1F.html?imw=Y   gsrh New member Username: gsrh Post Number: 4 Registered: 1-2005 Posted From: 67.173.141.126 Posted on Tuesday, May 22, 2007 - 9:53 pm:        Why can't I edit my own posts? This sucks. Randy wants to launch a church in Malibu, one where he can "influence the influencers," the "movers and shakers in the movie industry," as he told his Tampa congregation last month.   marta New member Username: marta Post Number: 22 Registered: 9-2005 Posted From: 24.15.28.105 Posted on Wednesday, May 23, 2007 - 10:50 am:        gsrh, Interesting article ... thanks for posting the link.   gsrh New member Username: gsrh Post Number: 7 Registered: 1-2005 Posted From: 24.13.109.23 Posted on Sunday, August 26, 2007 - 10:33 pm:        The chickens have come home to roost, yet again. Two interesting stories this week. Between Bynum & White, I have a headache from shaking my head too much. http://www.myfoxtampabay.com/myfox/pages/News/Detail?contentId=4157072&version=2&locale=EN-US&layoutCode=TSTY&pageId=3.2.1   anony New member Username: anony Post Number: 2 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 65.64.245.185 Posted on Sunday, August 26, 2007 - 11:50 pm:        It's called fruit.   trsrinheaven Senior Member Username: trsrinheaven Post Number: 1190 Registered: 12-2004 Posted From: 71.194.182.119 Posted on Saturday, September 22, 2007 - 1:30 am:        A Tampa Tribune staff report Published: August 23, 2007 The 10-minute interruption of Thursday night's service at Without Walls International Church, during which pastors Randy and Paula White announced their impending divorce, wasn't a technical issue. Randy called Paula to the podium about an hour into the service. He was somber; Paula appeared choked up. "It's the most difficult decision I've ever had to make in my entire life," he told the congregation, describing Paula as an exceptional woman, mother and preacher. Paula has left Tampa for New York, and Randy plans church as usual on Sunday. She pledged to return frequently to preach. Randy said he will file for the divorce as soon as their lawyers have worked out details. This is the second marriage each for the Whites, who came to Tampa after marrying in Maryland in March 1990. They have four grown children - three from his previous marriage, one from hers. Without Walls church board member Alick Clarke of Acton, Calif., a longtime friend, said the impending divorce is sad news. "They were like my heroes. I really love them," he said. "But I'm also a little •••••• off. I didn't help them build their dream to have them throw it all away." An Australian-born businessman, Clarke said he's given hundreds of thousands of dollars to the church since it was founded by the Whites in 1991 as the South Tampa Christian Center. He partially blamed the couple's breakup on their devotion to preaching a prosperity message, exhorting followers to give more money to the church in order to be blessed with greater wealth. "Too many ministries have become big business. That message is desecrating the church today," said Clarke, adding that he was disturbed to learn that with revenues at $40 million last year, the church was $22 million in debt. "That's just not right." Other questions about the Whites' financial dealings arose in stories published by the Tribune in May. Those included the couple's failure to repay a $170,000 loan from an elderly widow, money borrowed in 1995 as a down payment on a house. The couple sold the house in 2006, but still had not repaid the loan to Ruth McGinnis by May. This week, McGinnis told the Tribune that "everything's been settled financially between Pastor Randy and me." Also in May, The Tribune wrote about a young mother who said she never received the home she won in a widely publicized church contest in 2002. On Aug. 15 she reported she and her four children had just moved into a new home purchased by the church.   trsrinheaven Senior Member Username: trsrinheaven Post Number: 1191 Registered: 12-2004 Posted From: 71.194.182.119 Posted on Saturday, September 22, 2007 - 1:33 am:        cont Paula Randy White divorce... Money Matters The Whites have declined to say what the church pays them. Michael Chitwood, whose financial services company devised their compensation package, said he recalled they have taken an annual salary as high as $1.5 million collectively, though most years it's closer to $600,000. They were approved to take up to $3 million collectively, said the president of Chitwood & Chitwood of Tennessee. Perhaps the most complex part of their divorce, being handled by Holland & Knight law firm, will be dividing up the assets, debts and business interests. The couple's home on Bayshore Boulevard has an assessed value of $2.22 million. They have a land trust that includes two Tampa houses with assessed values of $144,800 and $257,835. The New York condo is valued at about $3.5 million. Their multimillion-dollar ministry includes a private jet. As the church gained members and revenue, the pastors changed. Paula built her international television ministry and became a life coach on "The Tyra Banks Show." Randy talked of performing nuptials for Kid Rock and Pamela Anderson in Michigan (they filed for divorce a month later). He boasted that he wasn't like "religious" people, posing in 2005 for a cover story in Makes and Models magazine, a publication devoted to exotic cars, motorcycles and scantily clad models. He has tattoos, collects guns and enjoys wine. At a Sunday service in April, he introduced his former personal trainer - an attractive ex-porn star turned Christian - from the pulpit. Doreen Fawkes, a former business administrator at Without Walls, said she hates to see any marriage end, but she's not surprised by the announcement. "They grew at an unbelievable speed. It became less about God and more about self-promotion," she said,   trsrinheaven Senior Member Username: trsrinheaven Post Number: 1192 Registered: 12-2004 Posted From: 71.194.182.119 Posted on Saturday, September 22, 2007 - 1:43 am:        It's disgustingly sad and such bad examples when incompetents tainted people without a solid understanding of the Bible relationship with God and His Holy Spirit become representatives who claim they speak for God. They can't even rule their own life. Paula built her international television ministry and became a life coach on "The Tyra Banks Show." Anyone using blind Paula as a life coach or her husband as a Pastor is just a plain fool. Jesus said the blind leading the blind then both will fall into a pit. Paula needs to get a real life coach-Jesus and His Holy Spirit.   anony Intermediate Member Username: anony Post Number: 317 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 65.67.157.145 Posted on Sunday, September 23, 2007 - 7:38 am:        Wouldn't you think the charismatics would get a clue by now?   trsrinheaven Senior Member Username: trsrinheaven Post Number: 1202 Registered: 12-2004 Posted From: 71.194.182.119 Posted on Tuesday, September 25, 2007 - 3:41 pm:        anony, It isn't charismatics its in all the church's and denominations. Following a man or women will get you no better off and even in a pit if they are blind guides and go into one. People give over their power and too lazy to learn the Bible for themselves and have a learning relationship with the Holy Spirit and Gods word FOLLOW SOME MAN OR SOME WOMAN! Jesus and the Bible says to follow God through His word and His Holy Spirit. Romans 8:14 Seek ask and knock. Ask the Holy Spirit -Jesus said He will lead us and guide us into all truth. The Holy Spirit WROTE the bible. The Bible says Gods word is spiritually discerned.   belovedone New member Username: belovedone Post Number: 21 Registered: 10-2005 Posted From: 67.113.91.58 Posted on Tuesday, September 25, 2007 - 3:52 pm:        When I heard about their divorce, I must say I was not surprised. She spends most of her time traveling, and he’s spends his with his “personal trainer.” They are both going to ruin a beautiful church/congregation with this divorce. Hold on to your seats! It’s about to get real ugly!!   ultimate1 Advanced Member Username: ultimate1 Post Number: 519 Registered: 1-2006 Posted From: 71.194.182.119 Posted on Tuesday, November 20, 2007 - 12:04 am:        Senators Grassleys demand letter for financial information from the Finance Committee. http://www.wittenburgdoor.com/files/2007_11_05_randy_and_paula_white.pdf   bachman Intermediate Member Username: bachman Post Number: 300 Registered: 9-2005 Posted From: 70.19.16.208 Posted on Sunday, November 25, 2007 - 8:45 pm:        Paula White is scheduled to appear on Larry King (CNN) on Monday evening, November 26th.   anony Intermediate Member Username: anony Post Number: 318 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 70.240.75.39 Posted on Sunday, November 25, 2007 - 10:34 pm:        What a little show-off. They ought to be hiding with their heads hanging in shame. But no...these empty headed idiots go before the nation with their ridiculous stories. They REALLY think they are cute and have something important to say. Makes me furious.. It's about time some of them get their cute little bottoms thrown in prison for a a spell. I'd like to see a whole string of them file in together.   bachman Intermediate Member Username: bachman Post Number: 302 Registered: 9-2005 Posted From: 70.23.75.202 Posted on Monday, November 26, 2007 - 6:16 am:        anony, the Paula White on CNN program announcement said that she's going on the program to talk about her new book, address the Senate charges, and talk about her ministry and divorce. Certainly not to "show off" and I'm sure she'd rather just promote her book and NOT have to talk about her divorce or the investigation. Anyway, let's watch and we can all comment!   anony Intermediate Member Username: anony Post Number: 321 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 70.240.75.39 Posted on Monday, November 26, 2007 - 7:36 am:        Then this has to be a new height of the ridiculous...not to mention egotism. Swimming in shameless scandals she goes before the world to not only try to whitewash herself but proudly promote her BOOK. No thanks..I'm not interested in watching her run her empty irritating 24/7 yipping mouth. People who continue to support these people have about as much righteous discernment as a rock.   bachman Intermediate Member Username: bachman Post Number: 304 Registered: 9-2005 Posted From: 70.23.78.54 Posted on Monday, November 26, 2007 - 11:54 am:        Anony, I think she was probably booked on Larry King months ago, before the divorce, before the Senate investigation letter went out. She was probably booked because she and Randy have/had a "big church," Donald Trump calls her "his pastor" and has appeared on her show and blurbed her book, and she was booked to promote the book. Richard Roberts was on a few weeks ago to address HIS problems so I think it will be interesting to see what she says. Larry is a softball interviewer so it will be an easy does it interview.   trsrinheaven Senior Member Username: trsrinheaven Post Number: 1398 Registered: 12-2004 Posted From: 71.194.182.119 Posted on Monday, November 26, 2007 - 2:24 pm:        Is Paula White the Paris Hilton wanna be of the Christian realm??? Here's just a small list for starters. She screams for attention like Hilton. She will do anything to get in front of a camera like Hilton. She tries to get next to all the latest celebrities like Hilton. She craves the limelight like Hilton. She spends money lavishly like Hilton. She hob nobs and hangs with any rich and famous like Hilton. What other of her actions compare with her world celebrity counterparts. Paula White should never write a book about anything. She has no answers except how to fail at Gods priorties.   anony Intermediate Member Username: anony Post Number: 326 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 70.240.75.39 Posted on Monday, November 26, 2007 - 2:43 pm:        Oh boy...that's good, trs.   anony Intermediate Member Username: anony Post Number: 327 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 70.240.75.39 Posted on Monday, November 26, 2007 - 2:52 pm:        Bachman...you can't be serious?? If she were righteously hanging her face in shame, she would have the yard man, if necessary, call and cancel her appearance.   bachman Intermediate Member Username: bachman Post Number: 306 Registered: 9-2005 Posted From: 71.249.150.180 Posted on Monday, November 26, 2007 - 4:08 pm:        Hi Anony--- Maybe I wasn't clear in the e-mail. I think (I don't know for sure) but I believe she was booked on Larry King months ago simply to push her new book: "You're All That!: Understand God's Design for Your Life" What people fail to understand is that she and Creflo and the Copelands and Joyce, et al "run" multimillion dollar "businesses" and so they simply can't just "disappear" when they get divorced, are investigated by the Senate, etc. The money STOPS coming in if they don't stay on TV, make public appearances, sell books and CDs, etc. So she'll appear on Larry King to sell her book. And no. She's obviously NOT righteously hanging her face in shame. She needs to sell books! (I write all the above shaking my head in disgust -- I think what I wrote is true, but how tragic that all these people MUST keep going on to keep the money coming in. Why let a little thing like divorce, investigations, sin, etc stop you?) And TRS, Paris NEVER screams like Paula. But Paris DID carry a big Bible while in jail...do you think Paula will, too?   saygoodnightgracie Intermediate Member Username: saygoodnightgracie Post Number: 335 Registered: 5-2005 Posted From: 207.59.124.162 Posted on Tuesday, November 27, 2007 - 8:23 am:        Bach: What'd you think of Paula White's stint on Larry King? I caught part of it at 3AM...   bachman Intermediate Member Username: bachman Post Number: 310 Registered: 9-2005 Posted From: 141.155.162.37 Posted on Tuesday, November 27, 2007 - 10:45 am:        I thought Larry King was obviously unprepared to interview Paula. (He was clearly eager for the never-ending Natalee Holloway story.) Paula looked tired (understandably) and the footage CNN showed of her preaching was a few years old and she came off to me--and I LIKE her!--as sort of manic/crazy. She even seemed a little embarrassed by it and I wondered why she didn't provide some of her own, more "normal clips" for the interview. Asking questions like, "Did you want to be rich?" and "Is it okay to have a plane?" were sort of dumb/weird (I thought.) And he didn't seem to understand the point of the Senate investigation. I think he said something like, "The investigation is questioning why a nonprofit group can afford a jet?" Just odd. Same with the 2 e-mail questions. It was clear the people who e-mailed in hated Paula, which is fine, but they didn't seem capable of writing a coherent sentence. So how do you respond when asked, "Why don't you tell where the money goes?" "All you care about is money!" This is her second divorce--she was married briefly when she was about 18--and she handled that okay without trashing Randy. HOWEVER...she went on to say, "I try to learn from all the tragedy in my life so I am learning to care for hurting people as I go through this hard time." DUMB answer! She's already divorced, so she's already had "that hurt" covered. I'm not divorced (how long with Trs and I last, right?!) but I certainly don't need to get divorced to understand/share that type of pain. And then she tried to pitch her book and her little phrases like "Revelation determines destination" sound real cute, but seriously, why would anyone want to read such silly nonsense from this woman? Maybe Donald Trump... Finally, when Larry quoted Donald Trump who endorsed her book, I thought it was tragic: Donald TRUMP is used to make her "legit?" When did we get to the point where the "world's" endorsement makes any difference whatsoever? I certainly didn't feel "sorry" for Paula or "angry" at her. Sort of nothing at all really. I can't see the interview causing anyone to tune into her program because neither she nor Larry seemed very focused on the conversation or the answers. BTW, her answers went on too long (she needs media training) and Larry often cut her off to the next question. And if you weren't paying attention, you'd never know there was a Senate investigation. Overall, I give the whole think a "D" -- Saygoodnight, your thoughts? Others?   marta Senior Member Username: marta Post Number: 1013 Registered: 9-2005 Posted From: 71.194.175.25 Posted on Tuesday, November 27, 2007 - 5:11 pm:        I only watched part of the interview, but I thought it was pretty lame.   bachman Intermediate Member Username: bachman Post Number: 311 Registered: 9-2005 Posted From: 70.23.73.5 Posted on Tuesday, November 27, 2007 - 5:14 pm:        Okay people==LET'S HEAR YOUR RESPONSE TO PAULA'S APPEARANCE ON LARRY KING!   marta Senior Member Username: marta Post Number: 1014 Registered: 9-2005 Posted From: 71.194.175.25 Posted on Tuesday, November 27, 2007 - 5:30 pm:        Maybe no one watched. The only reason I caught part of it was because my internet connection was down.   saygoodnightgracie Intermediate Member Username: saygoodnightgracie Post Number: 336 Registered: 5-2005 Posted From: 72.254.160.171 Posted on Wednesday, November 28, 2007 - 1:43 am:        Hey Bach and Marta: I like Paula White lots better sitting and chatting,than I do watching her preach (which I only do for a minute or two at a time). Very uneventful, I guess I thought it was lame as well... nice of Larry to give PW a forum to express her views, her side of the story,etc.but in retrospect - based on the lack of HARD questions,etc I have to agree - he was either simply unprepared or too polite to ask tough questions. Cref was on last night, that was a better interview I thought - anyone catch it?   anony Intermediate Member Username: anony Post Number: 331 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 68.88.225.201 Posted on Friday, November 30, 2007 - 10:56 pm:        I had no intention of making a special effort to watch it..but ran into a link on the internet. I was actually hocked at how gospel light she is. She is simply a motivational speaker with the right charisma to pull it off. That's ALL she is. She sure isn't a preacher of the Gospel...and it looks to me like she couldn't care less about it. She even new-aged the Psalms she quoted to fit her worldly Christ-less self-centered self-serving message. She is a huge regrettable misrepresentation of the Gospel and church of the Lord Jesus Christ. They used Trump, of all people, to commend her. She is spiritually MESSED up.   gsrh Intermediate Member Username: gsrh Post Number: 320 Registered: 1-2005 Posted From: 98.206.216.80 Posted on Saturday, January 05, 2008 - 5:49 pm:        FYI...take a look at this. Paula White is the spiritual covering for this church now. Even they see that there is no mention of the Father, Son or Holy Spirit http://www.woai.com/content/troubleshooters/story.aspx?content_id=246f34ca-62b0-4fa4-bb7d-d83f945e952c Mega Church Changes Name, Image? Reported by: Brian Collister Email: BrianCollister@woai.com Last Update: 1/04 6:54 am A San Antonio church facing a major scandal is undergoing a name change. News 4 Trouble Shooter Brian Collister broke the explosive details about the leader of the Family Praise Center last November. He's digging to get the latest developments. Our investigation revealed founder of the Family Praise Center, Rick Hawkins, caught up in a sex scandal. He's accused of having extramarital affairs, and using church funds to silence his victims. Read and watch original investigation... Now, the church seems to be working to change its name, and its image. The FamilyPraiseCenter.net leads you to "The Epicenter: A place for life." The site says the Epicenter's purpose is to equip, empower and enrich the life of all people connected to it. It states, "At the center of all we do you will find principles for success, strategies to prosper and an atmosphere of acceptance." There's no mention of worship service or even God. When we called the Family Praise Center Thursday afternoon, the voice mail system has also been changed to reflect the new name of "Epicenter." We did not receive a call back from anyone at the center by news time Thursday.   gsrh Intermediate Member Username: gsrh Post Number: 321 Registered: 1-2005 Posted From: 98.206.216.80 Posted on Saturday, January 05, 2008 - 6:04 pm:        FYI...take a look at this. Paula White is the spiritual covering for this church now. Even they see that there is no mention of the Father, Son or Holy Spirit http://www.woai.com/content/troubleshooters/story.aspx?content_id=246f34ca-62b0-4fa4-bb7d-d83f945e952c Mega Church Changes Name, Image? Reported by: Brian Collister Email: BrianCollister@woai.com Last Update: 1/04 6:54 am A San Antonio church facing a major scandal is undergoing a name change. News 4 Trouble Shooter Brian Collister broke the explosive details about the leader of the Family Praise Center last November. He's digging to get the latest developments. Our investigation revealed founder of the Family Praise Center, Rick Hawkins, caught up in a sex scandal. He's accused of having extramarital affairs, and using church funds to silence his victims. Read and watch original investigation... Now, the church seems to be working to change its name, and its image. The FamilyPraiseCenter.net leads you to "The Epicenter: A place for life." The site says the Epicenter's purpose is to equip, empower and enrich the life of all people connected to it. It states, "At the center of all we do you will find principles for success, strategies to prosper and an atmosphere of acceptance." There's no mention of worship service or even God. When we called the Family Praise Center Thursday afternoon, the voice mail system has also been changed to reflect the new name of "Epicenter." We did not receive a call back from anyone at the center by news time Thursday.

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