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romansroad (romansroad)
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Posted From: 67.142.130.29
| | Posted on Thursday, January 12, 2006 - 2:25 pm: | 
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I have been a lurker here for many, many months. Anyway, I couldn't help but post about Hal Lindsey leaving TBN. I haven't seen a thread about it, yet. But, perhaps I have just overlooked it?
It seems that Hal was starting to get his program censored by TBN and he was told he could no longer talk about Muslums in a negative way. He was told it would hinder Muslums from getting saved.
I, for one, am very proud of Hal Lindsey's stand to leave the TBN network. Now that he is no longer on TBN I will have no reason to watch TBN. His was the only show I tuned in for on a weekly basis.
Anyone have any thoughts? |
ihavesinned (ihavesinned)
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Post Number: 1472
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Posted From: 71.112.180.149
| | Posted on Thursday, January 12, 2006 - 2:34 pm: |
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The History chanel is way better than TBN. Also American Choppers is pretty cool. |
trainedobserver (trainedobserver)
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Posted From: 198.49.119.51
| | Posted on Thursday, January 12, 2006 - 2:39 pm: |
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The History chanel ... Also American Choppers is pretty cool.
Dig it. |
mikko (mikko)
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Posted From: 69.242.21.100
| | Posted on Thursday, January 12, 2006 - 3:10 pm: |
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you can find the story of what happened to Hal at TBN at this page www.omegaletter.com and look up special report: The Rest of The Story .God bless |
ihavesinned (ihavesinned)
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Posted From: 71.112.180.149
| | Posted on Thursday, January 12, 2006 - 3:51 pm: |
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I like that broad with the giant blue beehive, sitting in that gold throne. I was clicking the other day and happened to spot Benny Hinn , chillin' in a big old gold throne. What a guy , I hope they never go off the air. |
trainedobserver (trainedobserver)
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Posted From: 198.49.119.51
| | Posted on Thursday, January 12, 2006 - 4:12 pm: |
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I hope they never go off the air.
I do. I wish the blood sucking vampires would get put in jail where they belong. |
gsrh (gsrh)
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Posted From: 67.167.0.42
| | Posted on Thursday, January 12, 2006 - 8:03 pm: |
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lolol
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dowen (dowen)
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Post Number: 493
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Posted From: 24.153.234.187
| | Posted on Thursday, January 12, 2006 - 8:27 pm: |
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"I was clicking the other day and happened to spot Benny Hinn , chillin' in a big old gold throne. What a guy..." (IHS)
While that observation is hilarious, it is also very sad.
As a Christian, whenever I happen across TBN and see self made "Christian leaders" 'chillin' in gold thrones and preachin' the prosperity gospel, I am appalled and disgusted.
I can't blame folks for being turned off by the modern version of Christianity, when all they see is guys like Mr. Hinn pontificating on the finer points of being a servant of God, while cruisin' in his Rolls and sittin' in his gold plated chair.
It really is disgusting. |
dowen (dowen)
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Posted From: 24.153.234.187
| | Posted on Thursday, January 12, 2006 - 8:30 pm: |
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Does anybody think Mr. Hinn would sell that "throne" he loves to sit on and give the proceeds to the poor?
Talk about reality TV...lol.
I would love to see a segment on TBN where they sold the gold encrusted set of one of their shows and gave the money to those in need.
Anybody want to bet on when that would happen? |
ihavesinned (ihavesinned)
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Posted From: 71.112.180.149
| | Posted on Friday, January 13, 2006 - 2:03 pm: |
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They need those proceeds to pay for hair products. That studio must be a fire hazard, the only miracle going on at TBN is the fact than Benny Hinn's head hasn't burst into flames yet.
His combover is one of the greatest in history, even better than Donald Trump's . My friend calls it the eye of the hurricane. But style like that doesn't come cheap. It takes a lot of product to hold that hair in place. Dig deep brothers and sisters... |
mikko (mikko)
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Posted From: 69.242.21.100
| | Posted on Friday, January 13, 2006 - 11:22 pm: |
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what you call gold thrones are just decorations and studio props ,as for TBN i thank GOD for them as they do have some good programming ,tonight i was blessed to see the guys from the pro wrestling business giving their testimonies how they came to Jesus Christ and some of the churches around the country that are evangelzing and doing the work of the ministry . |
ihavesinned (ihavesinned)
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Posted From: 67.161.121.88
| | Posted on Saturday, January 14, 2006 - 1:06 am: |
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Ha ha ha , yeah , rasslers are about a real as Benny Hinn. The next thing , It'll be the Executioner healing people in the ring.... |
redeemed4life (redeemed4life)
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Posted From: 12.34.246.5
| | Posted on Tuesday, January 17, 2006 - 1:01 pm: |
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ahahahahahahaha |
moral_n_pure (moral_n_pure)
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Posted From: 72.130.230.31
| | Posted on Wednesday, January 18, 2006 - 10:16 am: |
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if Jan, who pre-empted his program and utlimately demanded that he compromise in the name of arabic souls...was so righteously concerned about Hal's effect on muslims more than the Body of Christ, then why doesn't she care about her inappropriate and distortional "sexy" over made up ridiculous pink wigged,appearance? many muslims are concerned about the things that he has been revealing and even disagree with factions and actions of their culture. does she think that muslims approve of her appearance which she could so easily change the same way she wanted Hal to change frankly.
and the way she treated him was very unprofessional and a bit unethical.
she is not an authority over him just because she is a program director.God is his authority and he has been writing books and serving the Lord in a particular kind of excellence and impact that she never will or never has. he has "spiritual authority" that she will never have. those kinds of things or that anointing, it comes from the Lord and not from how many years she has been in tv or how many ministers like her.
her impact on juanita bynum is not cool either.
TBN is God's property and despite the fishy, flakey, abusive things some of the people heading do or say, He is going to continue using it until He decides its over. so much of it is good,excellent, destined and unique and some of it is off and compromised and new age and sexual in a way that no one would venture to discover or understand. there is sorcery and domination and arrogance and false authority in that ministry and to express that is to be labeled and dismissed. not the way the Bible says to deal with things now is it?
Hal...he is going to be on Day Star and that is a great world evangelism platform. he had not received donations from TBN and all of the money sent in to praise and support his unusual and responsible show. that is wrong and his show had the highest rating among viewership of all the programs. they should have given him 250,000.00 and said sorry and thank you and God Bless you.
does anyone care about what is happening with broke back mountain the horrible beautifully produced gay "love" film that undermines the normal and God ordained family unit? please do not see this movie. it is a HUGE SEDUCTION and it is going to birth other gay movies and tv and its defiling.
jake glythanel, WHATEVER. he starred in jarhead which is another horrible, undermining movie that demoralizes the marines and family and the nation too. he is someone that is being used in spiritual warfare against the nations and he has acted in and stood up for and "ministered" in two of the most defiling movies ever made.
too bad he said he almost got a broken nose during the repeated kissing scenes that they shot with the other man slamming him against a wall. how dare they have two men in completely beautiful landscapes "fall in lust/love" and then leave wives and children and depict it as something honorable.
you have to do something.
please no rude comebacks for once.
mnp |
ihavesinned (ihavesinned)
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Posted From: 71.112.180.149
| | Posted on Wednesday, January 18, 2006 - 10:21 am: |
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"TBN is God's property"
I'd like to get a look at that tax return. Don't be fooled, somebody is making money hand over fist from these networks, and is sure isn't God.
"does anyone care about what is happening with broke back mountain the horrible beautifully produced gay "love" film that undermines the normal and God ordained family unit? "
No, afraid not, nobody really cares. |
moral_n_pure (moral_n_pure)
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Posted From: 72.130.230.31
| | Posted on Wednesday, January 18, 2006 - 10:36 am: |
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well they, us, we... need to care because we love God and His ways and because we care about people being controlled and seduced by high caliber art and music and images of God's creation.
they took the western genre because its Americana and for decades, it spoke to constant good and evil and morals and family and God fearing and believing culture. it wasn't a perfect medium or uncompromised, but it was a constant. i feel that ang lee is a warlock spiritually and that NO CHRISTIAN should give money or time to this film and that we should actively protest the message and the method.
all of the major newspapers, gay and straight papers also, even TV Guide those jerks, are giving it 5 stars and kudos.
they will care, if we will care and write intelligent, calm and firm professionally styled, letters and return movies... directed or connected to any of the people who have completed and awarded and celebrated this seductive and harmful breach in our society and in the world cultures. STUPID GOLDEN GLOBES.
thank the Lord for the one "mormon" theater that refused to show it.
you might be right though, 'ihs'...nobody is caring enough... to do the right things about it.
i hope we are both wrong about that.
the movie is wrong and its wronging others.
TBN wouldn't keep going if God didn't allow it and inspire it. the crouch's are "too wealthy", too convinced... its true, the network though, is reaching many many many many people and the Lord is using it. i am all for that and i hope it continues and goes into correction and cleansing and comes out better and more ethical and godly.
mnp |
ihavesinned (ihavesinned)
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Posted From: 71.112.180.149
| | Posted on Wednesday, January 18, 2006 - 10:57 am: |
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Are you saying these uppity Hollywood types are more powerful than the word of God? They have the power to sway people to the gay side?
If not, then you've got nothing to worry about.
"TBN wouldn't keep going if God didn't allow it and inspire it. "
That is rediculous, are you saying that God will stop anything that he doesn't allow? Why doesn't he stop murderers and rapists ? |
formermaranathapastor (formermaranathapastor)
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Posted From: 68.35.107.132
| | Posted on Wednesday, January 18, 2006 - 1:36 pm: |
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moral n pure:
"Brokeback Mountain" is a fine film that is full of great performances. It also highlights the injustice that gays have suffered over the years from bigots and homophobes.
Whatever one feels about homosexuality being a sin or not, gays deserve the same rights as us all, and the same respect as people. |
moral_n_pure (moral_n_pure)
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Posted From: 72.130.230.31
| | Posted on Wednesday, January 18, 2006 - 6:16 pm: |
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sin does not deserve "rights". you have the freedom to sin but not the right.
it is not hate or prejudice or ignorance to say that homomsexuality is abnormal and goes against nature. since when is it normal to sodomize based on the many physical risks inclusive of the fact that it is far more easy to contract aids through the wall of the rectum as the lining walls are much thinner and do not produce the same acidic protection as the vaginal wall which makes this disease harder to contract.
gay is a not a scientific term it is an artistic, stolen, adjective from the culture that was used in writing and movies extensively to indicate joy and happiness. it is a term plagerized by homosexuals attempting to sanitize and re-decorate and make assimilative the ideologies of the homosexual agenda and lifestyle to mainstream culture.
fine film. ????
fine in artistic production not "fine" in morality, spirituality or cultural impact. you know the teachings from the Bible about satan and seduction and deception coming in the form or "light". it is hard for a person to critisize the "idea of love" or to resist empathy for the hurt and the desperation of others. we are by human nature compelled to care for those who are hurt or outcasted. that is another premise often used in print, talk shows, and the rhetoric of the homosexual communities.
the poor, broken hearted, rejected outcast lesbian or homosexual man. it tugs at the heart, it creates a dilema for the conscience. the manipulation and guilt tripping of decent people is neither deserving of respect and is an injustice rarely highlighted.
this film is wrong and it is wronging others.
Christians suffer now from bigots and born-again-a-phobes. they suffered the most persecution and violence of any group in the history of the world both in rome, and russia and now in the sudan. |
moral_n_pure (moral_n_pure)
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factnet has changed formatting so this has to be broken into segments today.
next segment:the homosexuals lie about their statistics their supposed monogomay and the normalcy of the relationships and the sexual orientation.
abc has a new program about social sciences and one of their first segments was on the topic of "group think" and its persuasive aspects inclusive of what areas of the brain light up, when one decides to go with or against a group and stand alone. the closing statements were if enough people tell you the same thing often enough you will believe it even if its wrong.
i do not advocate "injustice" or violence against homosexuals, adulterers, the greedy the immoral or people who do not share or support certain political views. it is a perversion of justice and it is an injustice to manipulate and try to force the cultures of the world to accept a demand to get "married". the word itself does not provide for or mean a homo_sexual involvement. the very word itself denotes something that "gays" and lesbians cannot do.
why don't you share with the readers about the thousands of homosexuals who don't want to get married or to legalize marriage? and their reasons why. |
moral_n_pure (moral_n_pure)
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next segment 2.5 kigobytes.
you know the scripture in Corinthians that i just partially quoted about the greedy the immoral and the homosexual..."they will not inherit the kingdom of God". is that what you want for those you are defending?
do you think its "just" for homosexuals to have their friends lie on census tallies about how many lesbians or male homosexuals live in a home or a state? should we be on the side of a population that is less than 2% of the mass population but they lie and say that they are 20% or more?
so its okay for you to lie... to practice something unnatural... and perverse...and to have the highest domestic abuse statisitcs (per police reports) nationwide ("gay" couples) but to only publish violence or disagreement with the lifestyle?
if you kiss a man, you will wire your brain and biochemistry to the behavior. it is also why child molestors and peodophiles are basically untreatable. once you wire the brain it is very hard to change.
the tactics the misinformation the abnormal psychology and the many other aspects or dynamics of lesbianism and male homo_sexuality does not deserve a right and definitely not the same respect.
a great performance is right.
someone should make a film about the violence suffered by the Christians during roman rule.
have you told anyone, being a former teacher in the pulpit and a sheperd of souls, how lesbianism got its spiritual start or birth?
the isle of lesbos and the "poems" received by a psychic medium witch basically who said that the godess gave her the lyric understanding of "woman love". if the world were "gay" there would be no world.
why don't you preach, write, expose the truth about the violent and demeaning and controlling and disturbed aspects of the culture? |
moral_n_pure (moral_n_pure)
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do you think that "gay" parades and clubs with so much perversion and aggression and demand for satiation and recognition should be respected and deemed a right? sodomizing in public, black leather thongs and collars and bondage attire. the "worship" of the male figure and genitals and a large amount of other things i can't even mention here.
you are lying to yourself, in a lie, demanding that we ratify a lie and you are worshipping a sexual pracitice and exciting lust and psychological illness and demanding that we worship that above God Himself and at the expense of society, culture and normalcy.
that is not "fine", "gay" and does not by any means deserve the right to defile and to deceive those who are caring, empathetic and think they are being loving by accepting or "understanding" something that should be understood as sin and perversion with the result tragically, of ending up in eternal fire seperated from God.
stop taking people into the fire and respect the Fire of the Lord that cleanses with truth and real and responsible "love". God is first we and our affections do not supercede Him. He can and does heal and change and give hope and new life to anyone who homosexual or lesbian. He is powerful and able and does make a way where there seems to be no way. |
moral_n_pure (moral_n_pure)
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hopefully last post segment.
factnet is limiting size now.
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the movie highlights what you may call injustice when its really social resistance and some bigotry. i am not advocating bigotry and it has been a part of the human condition for ages and always will be. you mentioning that is a distraction and not the real issue. what about the injustice of breaking apart marriage and harming the minds and hearts of the wives (characters in movie) and the real harm to our culture, the people you used to understand as the vulnerable sheep of the Great Sheperd.
a "gay" man watching "same sex", evil, defiling, life altering porn who has multiple partners and goes "cruising" for conquests, who hates straights and refers to them as "breeders" does not deserve respect or "special rights". what about "gay" men who teach young men how to have ••••••• and use gay porn to "help" them? you must know that with "gay" men celebrating the orgasm and the "first orgasm" is a rite of passage and esteemed openly within that culture.
any culture that has its basis on the genitals, the male form and the orgasm, and you know it does, (most of the readers here have no idea about what i mean, but i imagine you do), is not normal or "right" and does not deserve rights or is in need of some social justice as answer to the practices being rejected and disliked.
its all about the sex in so many aspects great and small within those cultures, and you know it. do you read the magazines and the travel adds and "gay friendly" destinations and what the "features" or draw is?
the movie is wonderfully crafted manipulation and defilement and a lie and an injury. how very wrong of you to support it or politisize for its support.
what are you doing for the real suffering people in any culture, whose suffering is not self imposed or based in a satanic lie on their part or a truly perverse (both Biblically defined and physiologically defined) practice and bondage?
there is nothing "gay" about any of this. |
moral_n_pure (moral_n_pure)
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short and contemporary definition for "gay":
Showing or characterized by cheerfulness and lighthearted excitement; merry.
Bright or lively, especially in color: a gay, sunny room.
Given to social pleasures.
gayness n.
Usage Note: The word gay is now standard in its use to refer to homosexuals, in large part because it is the term that most gay people prefer in referring to themselves. Gay is distinguished from homosexual primarily by the emphasis it places on the cultural and social aspects of homosexuality as opposed to sexual practice. Many writers reserve gay for males, but the word is also used to refer to both sexes; when the intended meaning is not clear in the context, the phrase gay and lesbian may be used. Like the other names of social groups derived from adjectives (for example, Black),
so you think that we should capitulate and even celebrate, a culture that has to evangelize itself... and term itself with a adj that covers and re-defines manipulatively; over the dark, violent and sick aspects of it, so that we will buy the product and be guilt tripped out of having loyalty to God and to the truth in life and the spiritual realm?
do you think that aids is largely a "gay" disease and certainly one spread and contracted primarily by sexual contact and usually with multiple partners?
repentance, deliverance, healing and worship of God is not the answer, Jesus is not the answer? condoms and lying and aids foundations and changing the language in the Bible and broke back mountain is? |
ihavesinned (ihavesinned)
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moral n pure,
that's a great name, i'd love to see the skeletons in that closet... |
moral_n_pure (moral_n_pure)
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what if you would share yours with all of us then i will share some of mine.
i didn't say sinless or no need to be forgiven or that i am not a sinner who repents on a daily basis. moral and pure are my goals, my dedication and through Christ Who strengthens me, i can live a moral and very pure life. its a matter of faith, decision, dependence on Him and honesty including in the dynamic of repentance.
my skeletons have been out of the closet for a long time. Christians need to get out of the closet and make a HUGE SOCIAL AND INTERNATIONAL IMPACT in love, with high and professional standards and absent of hypocrisy as much as possible.
ihavesinned, me too... and i thank God for Jesus Who provided the hope and permission to be forgiven and restored on a regular basis.
knowing about the "gay" culture does not mean one is has been in the deathstyle.
thanks for the shout out.
do you love those skeleton warriors in the old movie that i can't remember the name of?
do you know about skeletons that God put flesh supernaturally and miraculously back onto with the faith and prayer and obedience of a prophet?
mnp |
gsrh (gsrh)
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Wow! I don't even know where to begin. |
frankenchrist (frankenchrist)
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Is Hal Lindsey the one who writes that moronic rapture garbage? |
ihavesinned (ihavesinned)
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"do you love those skeleton warriors in the old movie that i can't remember the name of? "
Do you mean "Army of darkness" ? I like the whole "Evil Dead" series. Army is the third in the series. That's the one where the store clerk travels through time to the middle ages and fights the skeleton army. |
moral_n_pure (moral_n_pure)
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| | Posted on Saturday, January 21, 2006 - 11:10 am: |
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no i think its something really old, but creative, like Jason and the Argonauts..
i don't remember seeing that series, Evil Dead and their gal pal Amy, but i have gone to a lot of movies and even though i'm not old, i just blank some of them out. especially if the content is bad or its a movie i have walked out on.
did you like king kong?
the effects and intensity?
i am signing out for the weekend hope you have a safe and fun one.
mnp |
ihavesinned (ihavesinned)
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Oh Yeah, Jason and the Argonauts was cool, so was the Odyssey of Homer, with Charleton Heston.
King Kong was o.k. but lately the remakes have been a let down, because you already know the story. War of the Worlds was the same , it had great effects, but you already know the story... |
moral_n_pure (moral_n_pure)
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tom cruise beating the aliens...with lots of noise and blood and creepy people. yeah that's what i want to watch for two hours. just watching his hair for over an hour can be dizzying. its so shiney and slick. its more like 'shards of something' and anime.
i liked the omega code too. the story and the effects. i was surprised it was so good. but, i didn't like the baby being almost set on fire though. it was depicting evil, true, but it was too much. he had to do something bad enough to be sent to boarding school. why not his dad's limo and not the baby?
what was that movie with the minature animals and then the lost dinosaurs and a cyclops too i think and that really creepy gypsy woman? i liked the guys on horses trying to lasso the t-rex.
okay, what is the movie with farrah faucet and the futuristic world where they break out and find the US Capitol under vines and the old man with 8,000 cats? i like that movie and i am not sure why. sanctuary!
(not the nudes in the ice though)
wow, can you believe its the end of jan. and we are only two weeks away from valentine's day?
hope you get candies and something special!
my bestest valentine is Jesus, and He is in my heart! He makes the bitter waters become sweet!
where are you going to church today? |
teetomus (teetomus)
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If any of you read or have read the Old Testament then you know that the traditional family was one man and his WIVES and CONCUBINES (see King David et al). These men were blessed of God. David fell from grace when he had sex with ANOTHER man's wife. Adultry was caused by the condition (i.e. virgin or married) of the female. It was HER fault if a man committed adultry. We, people today, PICK and CHOOSE what we want to be fundemental about in the Bible. As for gays, homos, or whatever, they have been around since the year 1. Also up to 80% of men have had male/male sex in their life. It is part of the NATURAL and NORMAL variation in sexuality (see Kinsey). Do you honestly think that all gay people are converted and seduced by others? Do you? |
mortar_n_pestle (mortar_n_pestle)
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| | Posted on Wednesday, February 08, 2006 - 7:37 am: |
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kinsey was a fraud and a deviant/pervert.
and he is highly disputed in medical, psychiatric and societal circles.
he was a man who was possessed by multiple demons, and a 'ruling spirit', and there is a reason why most people are not aware of his faulty and perverse "science". he was always highly controversial and is currently.
i do agree that many Christians in various denominations, do compromise and vary on what is fundamental. that's not the way that Jesus, taught us to live as His disciples. we can work on it and discuss it and pray.
the 10 Commandments are fundamental.
and we will be judged by them, and without Christ we would be unable to go to Heaven, because we all violate them. hatred is the same sin as murder, looking at someone and lusting in your heart is adultry (Jesus)and so on.
the gays have presented many lies about the behavior/addiction. many people believe the misinformation. "gay" is a label given to re-package the image. lesbians identity is from the isle of lesbos. there is a historical story, including the occult/ pagan dieity worship-love poems 'received from a goddess spirit' about 'woman to woman' eros love.
not natural/normal variation and serious sin which can send a person into hell, sadly.
80% of men HAVE NOT HAD A SAME SEX EXPERIENCE.
THIS IS MISINFORMATION AS IS A LOT OF PROPAGANDA FROM "gay" circles.
no...if a man divorced his wife the Bible says, "he causes her to commit adultry".
homosexuality has not been around since day 1. and it was forbidden in the Old Testament and was punishable by with the harshest punishment. because of Christ and His redemption we do not practice those rigid and violent consequences. however, the homosexual cannot inherit the kingdom of God.
gay behavior is "introduced" by a family member, an incident/a teacher/ rape or relative etc.
they are rigidly held to the "doctrine" and expectations of the culture.
there is almost always gay porn involved, gay bars and strong, aggressive seduction in behavior and psychology. there is a dynamic between son and mother and an absent physically or emotionally/psychologogically.
if you want proof/accurate information documented over decades and contemporary/ ethical study, contact Dr. James Dobson's ministry.
leaving for 10 days.
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ihavesinned (ihavesinned)
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Yeah, but it's OK for two chicks to make out , right? That's hot. |
teetomus (teetomus)
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Mortar sadly I think you have been living in a cave. Kinsey's work has been verified by science whether or not you like the man. He had his demons (small 'd') like all of us do. Homo and hetero are extremes of the spectrum. There are very very few (like 5 or 10%) who are actually a true 0 or 6 from the Kinsey scale. Like it or not, most people's sexual attraction falls between these two extremes. Now I didn't say everyone is acting on their bi orientations. Yes, sadly for you to know, most people are bi to varying degrees. James Dobson is a buffoon. If people like him had their way, this county would be a theocracy.
And no, most gays were not molested. Why aren't all the children molested by priests raving gays? Of course they are screwed up, but usually not to sexual orientation. By the way, these priests are homosexual PEDOPHILES. The operative word here is pedophile. There are more hetero pedos than homo. |
lov_faith_hope (lov_faith_hope)
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Teetomous,
I am a former Catholic and you are wrong about priests and why they are molesting. It's much more complicated than what you are relating.
There has been an alarm throughout the church because of the large numbers of homosexuals who were going into teaching seminaries starting in the 80's. Now there are steps being taken and protocols being implemented.
You are also very wrong about Kinsey.
James Dobson is not a buffoon. It would be great if this country were a theocracy by choice. The founding fathers organized and structured the government based on our Creator and the Biblical principles being squashed or socially limited by the religious system in Brittain.
Anyone who thinks Dobson is a buffoon and Kinsy has been verified, (do you ever archive 20/20 for instance) then you are crossing over into the buffoon zone. Do you do any researching on Dobson's accomplishments and his successes or materials?
Yes gays have a defining experience and also problems with an over attachment from mom. That is science. You also leave out demonic influences and cultural mores and conditioning.
Madonna kissing Brittany Spears in front of millions of girls and Girls Gone Wild (where they are directed to interact with each other by the filmers) "teaches" young women to not only experiment but to accept and to "do". There are spiritual forces at work in this too.
Sexual behavior is learned, forced sometimes and boundaries are modeled or taught. Social shame and social acceptance is a gate that swings shut or open. Kinsey's "science" is a crock. Sorry.
Give the Dobson ministry headquartes a call and ask for any materials they have about Kinsey and homosexuality and it's foundations. If you are a person who values science and a broad and non-bigoted conclusion then you might want to drop your prejudice and your opinion and review other truly expert information. I will wager that you won't even consider it.
Is that science? |
ihavesinned (ihavesinned)
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http://www.narth.com/docs/scrutinized.html
this is a link to an article on Dr. Dobson's website. It implies that homosexual attraction can be "learned" through experience and that chemical reactions in the brain are taught to the brain through repetition.
It is amusing that these people fail to question wether or not their religious indoctrination might not function in the exact same way. Maybe their brains are taught to feel "faith" or "the holy spirit" the same way gays are "taught" to feel attraction for those of the same sex.
Fascinating. |
teetomus (teetomus)
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I was just reading this complete board and am amazed at the hate and intolerance all under the guise of being Christlike.
I am sorry if you misunderstood what I was saying about sexual abusing priests. My point was that these men are first and foremost PEDOPHILES, whether they are gay or straight is irrevelent. Because a man is gay doesn’t mean he can’t be a good priest if he chooses to accept all the rules. Sexuality in and of itself should have nothing to do whether someone enters the priesthood. The Catholic church is screwed up in many others ways than this.
I believe and much science is starting to accept that sexuality is hardwired at birth. Sexuality is not that fragile. How many children led very sick childhoods and end up sexually as an adult that what they were intended to be. We are not born sexually blank. Once again, gay/straight is a sliding scale. People are just not ‘either / or’ but usually a mixture of both. Think of those tragic cases where boys had their penis amputated by a botched circumcision (an abomination) and were raised as girls or those that had ambiguous genitalia and are surgically changed to girls. A physician friend said ‘easier to make a hole than a pole…’ When these tragic individuals get to adulthood they are sexually confused. VERY. Although raised as a girl they think themselves a boy. |
teetomus (teetomus)
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Homosexuals exist. That is a fact. They have always been here, they always will be. They are part of the normal variation. There is homosexual behavior in all the animal kingdom. The Exodus program doesn’t work. There has not been one documented case of a 6 turning into a 0 ( Kinsey scale). Ain’t goina happen. There may be some gays that try and lead a hetero life but they are still homo on the inside, that is what is important how the individual is sexually oriented. How can you says someone is ‘healed’ of homosexuality if they are still so on the inside? As for seduction, I would like to meet ONE man that is a Kinsey 0 (i.e. straight, not one gay thought or desire) that has been or can be SEDUCED by a gay male. Once again, if the potential isn’t there, it ain’t gonna happen.
I think this is one reason that Brokeback Mt offends so many people, it shows normal average looking and acting men that happen to have a same sex attraction. Once again I implore you to read the old testatment where most all our sexual mores come. Sex was a recreational sport, at least for men. All the Levitical laws said not to ‘have sex with your mother’s sister, your neighbors daughter etc., ‘ It doesn’t mention marriage. Sex and marriage is not the same. Men traveled with their concubines so they wouldn’t be without sex. And Kinsey IS considered the standard on sexuality by recognized medicine and science. The only ones that don’t accept his conclusions are the’ fringey ‘ Christian therapist. |
ihavesinned (ihavesinned)
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Right, there is no way a straight guy can be "tempted" or "seduced". It is unthinkable for a straight guy. Maybe a bi or closet gay, but for myself, I have never even entertained the thought. You are either gay or not...
A friend of mine says all the same stuff, formerly gay members of his church are "healed" "saved" but the still "struggle" with homosexual thoughts. This is bunk of course, these guys are gay. Some of them get shamed into marrying women so they fit into the Christian society. This seems like a disaster waiting to happen to me. |
zionlion
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SATAN IS ALIVE AND WELL ON PLANET EARTH. That book was/is the most important book I ever read except for the Bible. Hal Lindsey wrote it over 30 years ago. I never watched his t.v. program but I suggest everyone read that book. I was lucky enough to get it at the library. You can probably find it on E-Bay for a very low cost. That book changed my life for the better. I do not trust any humans because even the elect can be deceived at the end but that book was inspired by the Holy Spirit. |
