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     hugsnkisses (hugsnkisses) New member Username: hugsnkisses Post Number: 7 Registered: 12-2005 Posted From: 207.250.27.13 |
So, what does everybody think of this guy? His website is http://drdino.com/ | ||
| prschuster (prschuster) Intermediate Member Username: prschuster Post Number: 210 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 67.4.150.206 |
I don't know what's worse, his bastardization of science or his misuse of religion. Is he a real Doctor with a real degree from a real school? If he has genuine credentials, I'd like to see them. | ||
| inkorrekt (inkorrekt) Member Username: inkorrekt Post Number: 98 Registered: 11-2005 Posted From: 67.190.2.228 |
Schuster, if you have any evidence to challenge Dr. Hovind, why do you not present them to him? You may get the money. On the other hand, why do you attack him, the Messenger? | ||
| frankenchrist (frankenchrist) Intermediate Member Username: frankenchrist Post Number: 130 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 66.109.136.179 |
Kent Hovind is a liar and a fraud. His "challenge" is bogus: http://www.talkorigins.org/indexcc/CA/CA341.html "The challenge is set up so that it is impossible to meet it whether evolution is true or not. First, Hovind conflates many areas of science, including cosmology and abiogenesis, under his misuse of the word evolution. Second, he wants proof that the universe came from nothing, which is not known to be true (and which is not relevant to evolution). Third and most important, Hovind requires proof that "evolution . . . is the only possible way the observed phenomena could have come into existence." It is impossible to prove a universal negative. In fact, scientists already seriously consider alternatives for abiogenesis (namely panspermia). " Hovind's "degree" is from Patriot University -- a degree mill not an accredited institution. Hovind is no different that the rest of the biblical literalists -- a liar. | ||
| prschuster (prschuster) New member Username: prschuster Post Number: 1 Registered: 1-2006 Posted From: 67.4.153.182 |
Thanks Frankenchrist, Dr Hovind's challenge is logically impossible to meet. How can anyone prove that a particular theory in science is the only possible explanation? It's an absurd request. | ||
| inkorrekt (inkorrekt) New member Username: inkorrekt Post Number: 1 Registered: 1-2006 Posted From: 67.190.2.228 |
PRSCHUSTER WRITES: "How can anyone prove that a particular theory in science is the only possible explanation?" Do you not see from your own thinking that the Academic elites are the ones who insist on Evolution being the only possible explanation and nothing else is possible? | ||
| prschuster (prschuster) New member Username: prschuster Post Number: 3 Registered: 1-2006 Posted From: 67.4.149.186 |
To Inkorrekt, I'm sure that some academic elites are that rash, that they would declare evolution to be the only possible explanation. But they are not speaking for science as a whole when they make such remarks. I'm sure there are other scientists who admit the possibility that evolutionary theory could possibly be modified or falsified in the light of new evidence. It still stands that all theories in science must admit to the possibility of being falsified, and Dr Hovind is specifically asking scientists to prove that evolution can not be falsified ( a logical contradiction). | ||
| frankenchrist (frankenchrist) Intermediate Member Username: frankenchrist Post Number: 131 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 66.109.136.179 |
Real scientists never claim that evolution is the only possible solution. But that's irrelevant the point is that Hovind's "challenge" is a crock of schit. The other point is that Hovind does not have a real degree from an accredited institution -- he is a fraud. | ||
| prschuster (prschuster) New member Username: prschuster Post Number: 4 Registered: 1-2006 Posted From: 67.4.150.134 |
Well, anyone who can't tell the difference between a dead shark and a plesiosaur can't be all that bright. | ||
| ihavesinned (ihavesinned) Junior Member Username: ihavesinned Post Number: 31 Registered: 1-2006 Posted From: 71.112.180.149 |
The Seattle Mariners just acquired a new outfielder a few weeks ago. He was on t.v. and he mentioned that he thought all dinosaur bones were made by people. Guess what position he plays-left field, not making this up. I hope he can throw like Ichiro. | ||
| ihavesinned (ihavesinned) Junior Member Username: ihavesinned Post Number: 32 Registered: 1-2006 Posted From: 71.112.180.149 |
Wow! I just checked out that site at the top. They have disproved evolution with a fossilized pickle. "Such as, the Ica stones from Peru, showing pictures of men and dinosaurs on them. As well as, a fossilized pickle, charcoal, coconut, and crayon proving that it does not take millions of years to form fossils." The Ica stones by the way are phony ancient relics peddled by locals in Peru. There are some that were really made by ancient people, but many , including the ones with dinosaurs on them have been shown to be fake. Just like every other bit of archeaological evidence that creationists point to. Just like the fossil "human and dino" footprints in Texas, the Ica stones are only cited as legitimate finds by far out creationists. | ||
| ihavesinned (ihavesinned) Junior Member Username: ihavesinned Post Number: 33 Registered: 1-2006 Posted From: 71.112.180.149 |
Wow, this guy is really something, it turns out he tried to file bankruptcy and it was thrown out because his reason for filing was to avoid paying his taxes. He also gave a lecture to a full house, where he cited as proof against evolution, an April fools prank by the New Mexicans for Science and Reason. http://www.nmsr.org/Archive.html That's some doctor. What a maroon, and of course he runs a dinosaur based theme park and sells all kind of merchandise and videos and books on his website. | ||
| rachellengland (rachellengland) Junior Member Username: rachellengland Post Number: 28 Registered: 1-2006 Posted From: 69.221.225.202 |
I'm sorry ihs i don't normally post at night- but that Seattle Mariners thing was too funny-i just can't stop laughing-i'm telling you baby whatever your doing your in the wrong line of work-you are a great comedian .......hahahhaha | ||
| inkorrekt (inkorrekt) New member Username: inkorrekt Post Number: 5 Registered: 1-2006 Posted From: 67.190.2.228 |
Where he got his degree and what he does is irrelevant. what is relevant is his challenge. Applying the same to the Academic elites, you will find that there are too many Mediocre Ph.D's from prestigious universities who are still defending Evolution and they will refuse any other explanation that this theory fails to explain. To these men and women, Evolution is a Holy Cow which needs Defense of every kind all the time. They go ballisitc at anyone who challenges their beliefs. Deal with the message and not the messenger. | ||
| frankenchrist (frankenchrist) Intermediate Member Username: frankenchrist Post Number: 132 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 66.109.136.179 |
Yes I know the creationist message: throw out everything we have learned about science in favor of some old book of fairy tales. The message is a stupid joke. OK, next. | ||
| frankenchrist (frankenchrist) Intermediate Member Username: frankenchrist Post Number: 133 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 66.109.136.179 |
By the way inkorrekt, the computer you are using was invented and developed by scientific proccess, not praying to a dead man nailed to a stick. There's a message for you. | ||
| ihavesinned (ihavesinned) Junior Member Username: ihavesinned Post Number: 39 Registered: 1-2006 Posted From: 71.112.180.149 |
"Evolution is a Holy Cow which needs Defense of every kind all the time. " Evolution needs defense from nuts like the Christian Coalition, who's goal is theocracy. When science discovers something that contradicts the bible, it must be silenced or discreditted. | ||
| inkorrekt (inkorrekt) New member Username: inkorrekt Post Number: 9 Registered: 1-2006 Posted From: 63.225.254.150 |
"By the way inkorrekt, the computer you are using was invented and developed by scientific proccess, not praying to a dead man nailed to a stick" Thanks for this quote. This is the example I use to justify Intelligent Design. Thanks for supporting ID. I do not want Creation to be taught at all in Schools. But, no alternate to Evolution is available except Inteliigent Design. Is it too much to ask for teaching an alternative to the failing theory of Evolution? Yes, I was an Evolutionist and an Atheist. For you, the Designer could be an Alien From Mars or even a computer Programmer. I want you to understand that Creation is not Intelligent Design. I am for Intelligent Design. FrankenChrist, you are a typical example of the elites who do not have an open and frank mind. Please stop attacking the messenger. Deal with the message please. Please give me one example as a proof for Evolution. | ||
| ihavesinned (ihavesinned) Junior Member Username: ihavesinned Post Number: 45 Registered: 1-2006 Posted From: 71.112.180.149 |
I'm the messenger, and the message is Intelligent Design will never be taught as science in public schools. It is not science, and this was made painfully obvious by the judge who threw their case out of court. He chastised the Discovery Institute severely for taking up 3 years, and many taxpayer dollars and presenting no scientific evidence. Before you accuse him of being a judicial activist, keep in mind he is a Bush appointed republican, unanimously confirmed by the Senate. He specifically accused them of trying to use thinly vieled religion as science. If you can't convince him, who can you convince? | ||
| frankenchrist (frankenchrist) Intermediate Member Username: frankenchrist Post Number: 131 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 66.109.136.179 |
Oh yeah, I almost forgot -- they abandoned "Cration Science" (talk about a dead theory) in favor of "Intellegent Design" because CS is so stupid even the little kids could see that it is nothing but dorky religious propaganda. But the drunken brain-damaged nazis came up with another theory called "Intellegent Design" -- which is just creationism in disguise. Same anti-science method -- start with the conclusion and then find evidence to support it. When the evidence doesn't fit their conclusion -- they do what all good Nazis do -- lie. ID is a bait and switch tactic.. First get them to believe that there is some kind of personified force behind all of creation ("For you, the Designer could be an Alien From Mars or even a computer Programmer." - inkorrekt) Then it morphs into the type of god the the nazis want everyone to believe in. Notice all ID proponents are fundies -- all of them, every , single one of them (and, of course, they all used to be atheists and evolutionists too (haha)). So -- CS, ID -- doesn't matter they are both BS. But what can you expect from a bunch of brainwashed cult members? | ||
| prschuster (prschuster) Intermediate Member Username: prschuster Post Number: 207 Registered: 1-2006 Posted From: 67.4.153.115 |
Inkorrekt, you said: "Yes, I was an Evolutionist and an Atheist." That was a slip of the keyboard to put evolutionist & atheist in the same sentence. By virtually equating the two, you give away your own religious motivation for dismissing evolution. BTW, from your previous posts I don't think you ever properly understood the evolutionary theory you once adhered to. You had obviously believed in a lot of straw man depictions of evolution to begin with. | ||
| inkorrekt (inkorrekt) Intermediate Member Username: inkorrekt Post Number: 109 Registered: 1-2006 Posted From: 67.190.2.228 |
Yes. Everything around us came into existence by themselves. My question then was: How could such complex systems create themselves? I still have the same question. No one is answering me. They always say, read this, read that. Even those references do not provide any answer. For every given issue, there are 3 questions. How? When? and how? I want solid answers without any suppositions, assumptions and extrapolations. When I began to find out why Darwin was so vehemently opposed to previous beliefs on the origins of life, I found out that he was an Atheist. His entire thesis was based on opposing any external power being involved in this process. | ||
| frankenchrist (frankenchrist) Intermediate Member Username: frankenchrist Post Number: 132 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 66.109.136.179 |
1. Darwin was not an atheist -- that is a fundie lie. 2. The theory of evolution is not an atheist theory and it is not incompatible with religious beliefs -- another fundie lie. 3. Darwin was not opposed to anything that offered as an explanation at the time he mearly added knowledge and discovery -- mor fundie lies. Real scientists do not have absolute answers as to the origin of the uninverse -- they are getting closer by developing science that helps explain. If you want to pretend you have the answer -- fine. Go pretend that a dead man nailed to a stick is the answer for everything -- I don't care, you have that right. The rest of us have the right to reject your stupidity. | ||
| inkorrekt (inkorrekt) Intermediate Member Username: inkorrekt Post Number: 110 Registered: 1-2006 Posted From: 67.190.2.228 |
"I'm the messenger, and the message is Intelligent Design will never be taught as science in public schools. It is not science, and this was made painfully obvious by the judge who threw their case out of court. He chastised the Discovery Institute severely for taking up 3 years, and many taxpayer dollars and presenting no scientific evidence" "Before you accuse him of being a judicial activist, keep in mind he is a Bush appointed republican, unanimously confirmed by the Senate. He specifically accused them of trying to use thinly vieled religion as science. If you can't convince him, who can you convince?" Well Justices Kennedy and /Souter were appointed by the Republican President. Did you know that when they wear the black robes they assume the position of OLIGARCHS. Even the conservative justices become liberals after they put on their black robes. So, I am not surprised at this judge. Obviously, he did not want to be labelled as a fundamentalist. Only thing I can say is he is not a very smart Judge. He did not look at the solid facts. He was prejudiced even before the trial. He is not a Scientist and he is not the authority. Here we are dealing with a Philosophical issue under the cloak of science. This is why all the mediocre Scientists are a falling for this. Evolution is Philosophy based on naturalism. This is why Scientists are having difficult time defending it. Did you know that Discovery Institute warned the School Board in Dover not to introduce ID in the School Curriculum? | ||
| searchlight86 (searchlight86) New member Username: searchlight86 Post Number: 5 Registered: 1-2006 Posted From: 70.137.177.8 |
"But the drunken brain-damaged nazis came up with another theory called "Intellegent Design" -- which is just creationism in disguise. Same anti-science method -- start with the conclusion and then find evidence to support it. When the evidence doesn't fit their conclusion -- they do what all good Nazis do -- lie." This 'Nazi' quote is especially ironic, since Hitler was an ardent follower of Darwinism, including "On the origin of species by means of natural selection, or, the preservation of favored races in the struggle for life", and logically applied it to justify torture and massacre of millions of Jews, Christians, Blacks, Gypsies, elderly, unborn, sick etc. Evolutionists should be ashamed to espouse and promote such a belief system whose only practical application was massive, unadulterated atrocity. | ||
| ihavesinned (ihavesinned) Senior Member Username: ihavesinned Post Number: 1519 Registered: 1-2006 Posted From: 71.112.180.149 |
Survival of the fittest is the mechanism of change in evolution. Hitler did not invent this concept, just used it as propaganda to unify his base, and justify his actions. I don't agree with calling ID people Nazis, even though i feel they are being dishonest about the whole matter. There is no shame in observing what occurs in nature. What Hitler did in justifying his genocide with science is no different from religious groups justifying their genocides with religion. A similar trend emerged in the '20s in the U.S. regarding intellect. There was a growing sense that only intelligent people should be allowed to reproduce. This idea never gained much traction, and eventually died out, but at the time, it was felt this would benefit the nation. As for this- "So, I am not surprised at this judge. Obviously, he did not want to be labelled as a fundamentalist. Only thing I can say is he is not a very smart Judge. He did not look at the solid facts. He was prejudiced even before the trial. " He looked at the facts, unfortunately for the Discovery Institute, there were none supporting ID as science. They had 3 years to prepare the case, and if you read the decision , it is precisely spelled out why it was dismissed. The idea that all judges and all media are liberal is beyond absurd. Grasping at straws. This case will not be appealed because they have no case. | ||
| frankenchrist (frankenchrist) Intermediate Member Username: frankenchrist Post Number: 135 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 66.109.136.179 |
Eugenicists aka 'social Darwininsts' are not and never were "followers odf Darwin." Eugenicism has noting to do with the scientific theory of evolution, it is just a hateful misconception of what evolution is applied to society. Fact: Hitler was a Christian. Fact: Most, almost all, Nazis were Christians, yes they were hateful and violent toward Jews, Gypsies, disabled, homosexuals, and anyone else they hated -- but not Christians. Why? BECAUSE THEY WERE CHRISTIANS. Historical Nazis were Christians, and conrtemporary 'neo-nazis' are Christians. Look at the crusades and the inquisition and supporters of Jim Crow alws and racial segragation in the US -- those were all phucking Christians. The justification for the wholesale slaughter and genocide against the indiginous poeple of the Americas? You guessed it! Christi-phucking-aninty. Christians should be ashamed to support such a violent, hateful, bigoted philosophy that has led to the death, destruction and suffering of countless people throughout history. | ||
| ihavesinned (ihavesinned) Senior Member Username: ihavesinned Post Number: 1525 Registered: 1-2006 Posted From: 71.112.180.149 |
"Eugenicists aka 'social Darwininsts' are not and never were "followers odf Darwin." Eugenicism has noting to do with the scientific theory of evolution, it is just a hateful misconception of what evolution is applied to society. " I don't disagree. | ||
| prschuster (prschuster) Intermediate Member Username: prschuster Post Number: 208 Registered: 1-2006 Posted From: 67.4.144.59 |
Inkorrekt wrote: "I want you to understand that Creation is not Intelligent Design. I am for Intelligent Design." However, Intelligent Design is definitely one form of creationism. It can coexist with evolution, as witnessed by Michael Behe, but it refers to a sudden act of creation by an outside agent (whether natural or supernatural). As a form of creation, it is not dependent upon gradual change through time the way evolution is. (Message edited by prschuster on January 19, 2006) | ||
| inkorrekt (inkorrekt) Intermediate Member Username: inkorrekt Post Number: 112 Registered: 1-2006 Posted From: 67.190.2.228 |
Creation depends on the Creator Jesus Christ. Intelligent designer could be any one such as a computer programmer, Electronic Engineer, or even an alien from Mars and even Jesus Christ. Intelligent designer is Generic. | ||
| searchlight86 (searchlight86) New member Username: searchlight86 Post Number: 8 Registered: 1-2006 Posted From: 68.233.230.27 |
Lie: "Hitler was a Christian." True: Hitler was a Roman Catholic. Lie: "Most, almost all, Nazis were Christians, yes they were hateful and violent toward Jews, Gypsies, disabled, homosexuals, and anyone else they hated -- but not Christians. Why? BECAUSE THEY WERE CHRISTIANS." True: Hitler was an ardently devoted Darwinist. He repeatedly used the German word for evolution (Entwicklung) in Mein Kampf, and made many foundational references to evolutionist concepts. True: Historical Nazis killed millions of Christians, Blacks, etc. elderly, sick, unborn, although all we hear about today are the Jews. | ||
| searchlight86 (searchlight86) New member Username: searchlight86 Post Number: 9 Registered: 1-2006 Posted From: 68.233.230.27 |
Here is the real story: Roman Catholic History What apparently began as a genuine, non-pagan belief in a single God as a Trinity was later corrupted in the ancient pagan religions. More than ten of the nations of Europe trace their genealogies back to Noah through Japheth (they all specifically name both names), and this can be found in the public library if you know where to look (I must advise that some of the material is very dry, however). Although most of these nations were as barbaric as you can get with no connection to monotheism or the Bible, they regarded their ancestry as sacred, guarded it carefully, and there was no collusion among these many different cultures. The majority of the nations of the world (over 150) have a ‘global flood’ legend as well, some extremely similar to the Biblical account, although I believe the Biblical account is the accurate one. Most ‘myths’ that are so widespread are originally derived from some ancient truth. People don’t just make up things all over the world from their collective imaginations and then record them as fact, and coincidentally have the stories line up. Noah knew and worshiped the true God, and after the flood Noah lived another 350 years. (the flood consisted of massive environmental changes including a less protective atmosphere so life spans soon after that became around what they are today). Archeology seems to indicate that in general, the human race recognized and worshiped the true God in peace for a number of years. However, beginning while Noah was evidently yet alive, history indicates that an intricate deception and rebellion against the true God was contrived by Cush, the grandson of Noah, and carried out by Cush’s son, Nimrod (which means “Let us rebel”). History also reveals that Nimrod was responsible for leading the building of the Tower of Babel, which incited God’s judgment in confusing the languages and scattering people abroad upon the face of the earth. | ||
| searchlight86 (searchlight86) New member Username: searchlight86 Post Number: 10 Registered: 1-2006 Posted From: 68.233.230.27 |
In the unity of the earliest one and Only God of the Babylonians, there were three persons, and to symbolize that doctrine of the Trinity, the triune emblem of their supreme divinity shows clearly what had been the original patriarchal faith. First, there is the head of an old man; next, there is the zero, or circle, for ‘the seed’; and lastly, the wings and tail of the bird or dove; showing, though blasphemously, the unity of Father, Seed, or Son, and Holy Spirit. While this had been the original way in which Pagan idolatry had represented the Triune God, and though this kind of representation had survived to Sennacherib’s time (king of Assyria at the time of Hezekiah king of Judah), yet there is evidence that, at a very early period, an important change had taken place in the Babylonian notions in regard to the divinity; and that the three persons had come to be, the Eternal Father, the Spirit of God incarnate in a human mother, and a Divine Son, the fruit of that incarnation. | ||
| searchlight86 (searchlight86) New member Username: searchlight86 Post Number: 11 Registered: 1-2006 Posted From: 68.233.230.27 |
While this was the theory, the first person in the Godhead was practically overlooked. As the Great Invisible, taking no immediate concern in human affairs, he was believed by the Babylonians ‘to be worshiped through silence alone’, that is, in point of fact, he was not worshiped by the multitude at all. The same thing is strikingly illustrated in India at this day. Though Brahma, according to the sacred books, is the first person of the Hindu triad, and the religion of Hinduism is called by his name, yet he is never worshiped, and there is scarcely a single temple in all India now in existence of those that were formerly erected to his honor. So also is it in those countries of Europe where the Roman Papal system is most completely developed. In Papal Italy, except where the gospel has recently entered, all appearance of worshiping the King Eternal and Invisible is almost extinct, while the Mother and the Child are the grand objects of worship. Exactly so, in this latter respect, also was it in ancient Babylon. The Babylonians, in their popular religion, supremely worshiped a Goddess Mother and a Son, who was represented in pictures and images as an infant or child in his mother’s arms. From Babylon, this worship of the Mother and the Child spread to the ends of the earth. In Egypt, the Mother and the Child were worshiped under the names of Isis and Osiris. In India, even to this day, as Isi and Iswara; in Asia, as Cybele and Deoius; in Pagan Rome, as Fortuna and Jupiter (the boy); in Greece, as Ceres, the Great Mother, with the babe at her breast, or as Irene, the goddess of Peace, with the boy Plutus in her arms; and even in Tibet, in China, and Japan, Jesuit missionaries were astonished to find the counterpart of Madonna and her child as devoutly worshiped as in Papal Rome itself; Shing Moo, the Holy Mother in China, being represented with a child in her arms, and a glory around her, exactly as if a Roman Catholic artist had been employed to set her up. | ||
| searchlight86 (searchlight86) New member Username: searchlight86 Post Number: 12 Registered: 1-2006 Posted From: 68.233.230.27 |
The original of that mother, so widely worshiped, there is reason to believe, was Semiramis, who, it is well known, was worshiped by the Babylonians and other eastern nations under the name of Rhea, the great Goddess ‘Mother’. It was from the son, however, that she derived all her glory and her claims to deification. That son, though represented as a child in his mother’s arms, was a person of great stature and immense bodily powers, as well as most fascinating manners. In the Bible he is referred to under the name of Tammuz (Ezek. 8:14), but he is commonly known among classical writers under the name of Bacchus, that is, “The Lamented one.” To the ordinary reader the name of Bacchus suggests nothing more than revelry and drunkenness, but it is now well known, that amid all the abominations that attended his orgies, their grand design was professedly ‘the purification of souls’, and that from the guilt and defilement of sin. This lamented one, exhibited and adored as a little child in his mother’s arms, seems, in point of fact, to have been the husband of Semiramis, whose name, Ninus, by which he is commonly known in classical history, literally signified “The Son.” As Semiramis, the wife, was worshiped as Rhea, whose grand distinguishing character was that of the great goddess ‘Mother’, the conjunction with her husband, under the name of Ninus, or “The Son”, was sufficient to originate the peculiar worship of the “Mother and Son”, so extensively diffused among the nations of antiquity; and this, no doubt, is the explanation of the fact which has so much puzzled the inquirers into ancient history, that Ninus is sometimes called the husband, and sometimes the son of Semiramis. This also accounts for the very same confusion of relationship between Isis and Osiris of Egypt, where Osiris was represented in Egypt as at once the son and husband of his mother; and actually bore, as one of his titles of dignity and honor, the name “Husband of the Mother.” This also casts further light on the fact that the Indian God Iswara is represented as a babe at the breast of his own wife Isi, or Parvati. | ||
| searchlight86 (searchlight86) New member Username: searchlight86 Post Number: 13 Registered: 1-2006 Posted From: 68.233.230.27 |
Now, this Ninus, or “Son”, borne in the arms of the Babylonian Madonna, is so described as very clearly to identify him with Nimrod. Ninus, the most ancient of the Assyrian kings, first of all changed the contented moderation of the ancient manners, incited by a new passion, the desire of conquest. He was the first who carried on war against his neighbors, and he conquered all nations from Assyria to Libya, as they were yet unacquainted with the arts of war. This account points directly to Nimrod, and can apply to no other. Scripture records of him that he first “began to be mighty on the earth” and that the “beginning of his (Nimrod’s) kingdom was Babylon” (Gen. 10:8-10). Also, Gen. 10:11 says “Out of that land he went forth, when he had been made strong, and builded Nineveh” (literal translation). Thus, then, Nimrod, or Ninus, was the builder of Nineveh; and the origin of the name of that city, as “the habitation of Ninus”, is accounted for, and also on the fact that the name of the chief part of the ruins of Nineveh is Nimroud to this day. The rebellion at Babel consisted not only of the people’s refusal to scatter around the world, as God has instructed, but also of their instituting the new world ‘religion’ in the temple at the top of the Tower. Herodotus, the Greek historian, visited Babylon during the reign of Nebuchadnezzar, and described the Tower as consisting then of eight stages, totaling over 300 feet in height, with a spiraling ascent on the outside. It had been restored at the time, with the original structure considered very ancient. As with almost all such structures, there was a shrine at the apex, dedicated to the worship of the sun-god and the host of heaven. The Tower had not been designed to “reach unto heaven” in the physical sense, which would have been absurd, as Nimrod and his colleagues well knew. In fact the word “reach” is not in the Hebrew, so this phrase means that the Tower itself was unto heaven, that is, to reach heaven spiritually, there worshiping and communing with the “host of heaven”, and to “make us a name” rather than honoring the name of the true Creator. Nimrod did indeed make himself a name, as he established a military dictatorship, then a priestly oligarchy (in which he was the chief priest, of course), and lastly was apparently deified as the chief god (“Merodach,” or “Marduk”) of Babylon. | ||
| searchlight86 (searchlight86) New member Username: searchlight86 Post Number: 14 Registered: 1-2006 Posted From: 68.233.230.27 |
The host of heaven consisted of the sun-god, the moon-god, and the ‘gods’ represented by the various planets, as well as the other stars. They actually involved the great hosts of rebel spirits that have fought against God and his saints through all the ages. It is almost certainly here that the Sumerian priests were instructed in the secrets of astrology and the other occult sciences, as well as the religion of evolutionary pantheism, whereby the initiates soon “changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshiped and served the creature more than the Creator …” (Rom. 1:25). If Babel, in ancient Sumeria, was the original mother of spiritual harlotry and idolatrous abominations, then certainly Satan himself must be the father. The Bible declares Satan to be the “father of lies”, that “there is no truth in him” (John 8:44), and that he “deceiveth the whole world (Rev. 12:9). Indeed, the remarkable complex of astrology, spiritism, mythology, polytheistic idolatry, and evolutionary pantheism has been variously masked in pseudo-scientific verbiage and humanistic speculation to suit every taste. This world view could never have been devised by men alone, not even such powerful men as Nimrod and his followers. The supernatural hold that this system has maintained over multitudes through the ages surely implies nothing less than a supernatural origin. Somehow, in connection with the building of that first pagan temple at the peak of Babel’s Tower, Satan and his powers of darkness must have communicated these occultic revelations to Nimrod, setting the first great post-Flood rebellion against God under way. That rebellion was interrupted for a time by the Babel judgment, but continues today world-wide, stronger than ever in history. | ||
| searchlight86 (searchlight86) New member Username: searchlight86 Post Number: 15 Registered: 1-2006 Posted From: 68.233.230.27 |
The pagan religious systems of Hinduism, Egypt, Greece, Phonecia, and eventually Papal Rome were all derived from the pagan Babylonian religious system. When multiple languages were created and the nations scattered from Babel, people took Babylon’s idolatrous religious system with them and evolved it into their own religious variant. Apparently there were notable exceptions to this, such as the ancient Chinese, but after holding on to belief in the true God for over a thousand years, they also eventually fell prey to polytheistic, evolutionary paganism. This is why the Bible refers to the final false world religious system as “MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH” (Rev. 17:5). So, the most ancient representations of God found in archaeology are Trinitarian, although it was blasphemous to make any physical representation of the Eternal One. While overlaid with idolatry, archeology shows that the recognition of a Trinity was universal in all the ancient nations of the world, proving how deep-rooted in the human race was the primeval doctrine on this subject. Although these were evidently intended to symbolize the same great truth, all such representations of the Trinity necessarily and utterly debase the One of whom it is said “To whom will ye liken God, and what likeness will ye compare unto Him?” (Isa. 40:18). This original idolatrous representation was later degraded to ’Mother and Son’ worship based on the worship of Nimrod and his wife, Semiramis, who worshiped and communed with the demonic enemies of God. Other pagan deities based on a corruption of the Zodiac (apparently originally a message in creation testifying to the true God and His gospel to mankind) and an evolutionary view of nature and were added, and later conveyed through the Babel dispersion to most ancient cultures around the world. | ||
| searchlight86 (searchlight86) New member Username: searchlight86 Post Number: 16 Registered: 1-2006 Posted From: 68.233.230.27 |
Babylon’s religious power entered the Roman Empire through the Etruscans with their secret, mystery religion. One of the famous Etruscans was Julius Caesar. He took the title of Pontifex Maximus, and Octavian (who became the first emperor of the Roman Empire) announced to the world that his title would be Pontifex Maximus - “Supreme Pontiff.” When Emperor Constantine supposedly became a Christian in A.D. 313 (really a clever political maneuver), he gave freedom to Christians as well as official status alongside paganism to the Christian church. Since the church was now a recognized religious body in the empire, Constantine, as emperor, had to be acknowledged as its de facto head. As such, he convened the first ecumenical council, the Council of Nicea, in A.D. 325, set its agenda, gave the opening speech, and presided over it as Charlemagne would over the Council of Chalon 500 years later. Interested not in the truth but in unifying the empire, Constantine was the first ecumenist and introduced that error into the persecution-wearied church. The very idea of a church council was invented by Constantine, who, in spite of his professed “conversion” to Christ, remained a pagan. He never renounced his loyalty to the many pagan gods. He abolished neither the pagan Altar of Victory in the Senate nor the Vestal Virgins; and the sun-god, not Christ, continued to be honored on the imperial coins. He was not baptized until just before his death, and that by a heretical Arian priest, Eusebius. Throughout his “Christian” life Constantine used pagan as well as Christian rites and continued to rely upon “pagan magic formulas to protect crops and heal disease.” That Constantine murdered those who might have had a claim to his throne (notably his son, Crispus, a nephew, and brother-in-law) is further evidence that his “conversion” to Christianity was a clever political maneuver. Historian Philip Hughes, himself a Catholic priest, reminds us, “In his manners he [Constantine] remained, to the end, very much the Pagan of his early life. His furious tempers, the cruelty which, once aroused, spared not the lives even of his wife and son, are ... an unpleasing witness to the imperfection of his conversion.” | ||
| searchlight86 (searchlight86) New member Username: searchlight86 Post Number: 17 Registered: 1-2006 Posted From: 68.233.230.27 |
While heading the Christian church, Constantine continued to head the pagan priesthood, to officiate at pagan celebrations, and to endow pagan temples even after he began to build Christian churches. As head of the pagan priesthood he was the Pontifex Maximus and needed a similar title as head of the Christian church. The Christians honored him as “Bishop of Bishops,” while Constantine called himself Vicarius Christi, Vicar of Christ. When translated into Greek, however, Vicarius Christi literally means Antichrist. Constantine was the prototype of the Antichrist prophesied in Scripture and who is yet to come. The three “Christian” sons of Constantine (Constantine II, Constantius II, and Constans) secured, after their father’s death, their separate regions of the empire by a merciless family massacre. They then took the Christianization” of the empire to new heights. Such (not Peter) were the forerunners of today’s popes. When Rome fell politically to the Visigoths in 476 A.D., the Bishop of Rome was Damasis who then took the title of Supreme Pontiff, and every pope since then has kept the title. The title came out of Babylonian religion - not from the Christianity or the Bible. Damasis was put into his position as the Bishop of Rome by the Carmelite Monastery in Haifa. That monastery is well-known in history to be the promoters of the Babylonian religion. Damasis was committed to the Babylonian religion and through his efforts, it became the heart of the entire church system of the Middle Ages. That is known history. It is NOT something that Protestants say about Catholics - it is something that Catholics also say in their own history about themselves. | ||
| searchlight86 (searchlight86) New member Username: searchlight86 Post Number: 18 Registered: 1-2006 Posted From: 68.233.230.27 |
In the Middle Ages, the bishops of Rome began to claim that they were the sole representatives of Christ upon earth. Demanding that the entire church worldwide must be subject to their rule, they forbade any other bishops to be called “papa” or pope and took to themselves the three titles of Constantine - Pontifex Maximus, Vicar of Christ, and Bishop of Bishops - which they retain to this day. As the popes’ claims to absolute power over kingdoms, people, and property were realized, great corruption entered the Roman Catholic Church. There was no division between Protestants and Catholics until the Reformation. Whatever the church was during the Middle Ages (The Dark Ages of a thousand years), it was because of the influence of the Babylonian religion. The feudal state and the church dominating the political scene were all the teaching of ancient Babylonian religionists. The Reformers and their creeds were unanimous in identifying each pope as the Antichrist. Although the pope is indeed a type of the Antichrist, scripture indicates the Antichrist is a unique individual without predecessors or successors. He will be the new “Constantine,” the ruler of the revived worldwide Roman Empire. Since Satan could not conquer the Christian church from the outside by force, he infiltrated, poisoned, and divided a large part of it from the inside, via the pagan beliefs and practices introduced via the Roman Catholic Church. This religious system (the Roman Catholic system) appears to have been derived directly from the pagan practices of ancient Babylon and cloaked in the guise of Christianity. Roman Catholicism adopted a grossly corrupted concept of the Trinity from Babylon, but neither Babylon nor Rome invented it. | ||
| searchlight86 (searchlight86) New member Username: searchlight86 Post Number: 19 Registered: 1-2006 Posted From: 68.233.230.27 |
Many European political leaders and governments were closely aligned with the Roman Catholic church throughout the dark ages to accomplish their joint ends. The Catholics had a similar approach as Islam, i.e. convert or be tortured to death. We only hear about the Jews, but the Catholics hunted down and murdered anyone who would not bow to the Roman Catholic system and the Pope, including millions of Christians who opposed Roman Catholics throughout Europe. Hitler's association with Roman Catholicism is why he turned over murdering of the 'inferior' 'races' to the medical community and had gas chambers built, because he believed it would provide a more merciful as well as an efficient death machine. This is also why the Roman Catholic church smuggled hundreds of top Hitler aides to South America when the war was over, hiding them in their monasteries and transferring them from one to the other. This is also why the Jews in general hate Christians, because they (as most others) unwittingly associate the Roman Catholic system with original Christianity and know the Roman Catholics worked hand in hand with the Third Reich to persecute and slaughter them. | ||
| frankenchrist (frankenchrist) Intermediate Member Username: frankenchrist Post Number: 136 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 66.109.136.179 |
Fact: Your idotic Bible quotes prove nothing -- Hitler was a Christian -- yes Catholics are Christians -- Nazis were Christians, Catholics and Protestants. They persecuted Jews, Gypsies, blacks, homosexuals, etc. NOT CHRISTIANS -- because they were Christians and the only thing that Christians know how to do is hate and persecute anybody who is not just like them. Hitler got alot of his antisemitism from Martin Luther. Fact: The Nazis were Chistians Fact: Neo-Nazis are Christians Fact:Hitler was a Christian Fact: Hitler was anti-science just like fundie phuckwads are today Fact: The Nazis did not persecute Christians unless they fiit another category -- homosexuals, for example. Fact:The KKK are Christians Fact: Jim "900+ Suicides" Jones was a Christian Fact: Jimmy the rapist pedophile scumbag Swaggart is a Christian. Fact: Pat Nazi pigfucker Robertson is a Christian Etc. Fact: Christians are and almost always were persecutors -- exept for one brief time in ancient history they have never been persecuted. Christianity is a hate cult. | ||
| frankenchrist (frankenchrist) Intermediate Member Username: frankenchrist Post Number: 137 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 66.109.136.179 |
Adolph, the Christian, Hitler sez: "My feelings as a Christian points me to my Lord and Savior as a fighter. It points me to the man who once in loneliness, surrounded by a few followers, recognized these Jews for what they were and summoned men to fight against them and who, God's truth! was greatest not as a sufferer but as a fighter. In boundless love as a Christian and as a man I read through the passage which tells us how the Lord at last rose in His might and seized the scourge to drive out of the Temple the brood of vipers and adders. How terrific was His fight for the world against the Jewish poison. To-day, after two thousand years, with deepest emotion I recognize more profoundly than ever before the fact that it was for this that He had to shed His blood upon the Cross. As a Christian I have no duty to allow myself to be cheated, but I have the duty to be a fighter for truth and justice... And if there is anything which could demonstrate that we are acting rightly it is the distress that daily grows. For as a Christian I have also a duty to my own people. -Adolf Hitler, in a speech on 12 April 1922 (Norman H. Baynes, ed. The Speeches of Adolf Hitler, April 1922-August 1939, Vol. 1 of 2, pp. 19-20, Oxford University Press, 1942) | ||
| searchlight86 (searchlight86) New member Username: searchlight86 Post Number: 20 Registered: 1-2006 Posted From: 68.233.230.27 |
Frankly, Your 'facts' are lies. Adolf Hitler believed he was a Christian, but his actions betrayed him in a big way. His counterfeit 'Christianity' was Roman Catholicism, and consistent with his fanatical love of and devotion to Darwinism, not to genuine Christianity. I clearly explained this above from recorded history. Most people and institutions who call themselves Christians aren't, and this was definitively predicted by Christ Himself: "Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves. Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles? Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit. A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither [can] a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit. Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire. Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them. Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity" (Matt. 7:15-23). Fact: Your vulgarity only damages your credibility to everyone, so knock yourself out. Fact: Macroevolution is not a scientific hypothesis, not a theory, not a law, but a religious cult. Many (not all) use this as pseudo-intellectual justification to delude themselves they don't have to be accountable to their Creator (temporarily). For these people, all evidence is simply misdirection. | ||
| inkorrekt (inkorrekt) Intermediate Member Username: inkorrekt Post Number: 118 Registered: 1-2006 Posted From: 130.253.32.150 |
Why do people follow the Religion of Evolution? They want a permissive life style without any accountability for their actions. Aldous Huxley the well knwn humanist said that personally, he would support Evolution, because it gives him sexual freedom.People are being deceived by men such as Deepak Chopra and they fall for him because he has a charming personality.Chopra believes in evolution. | ||
| inkorrekt (inkorrekt) Intermediate Member Username: inkorrekt Post Number: 119 Registered: 1-2006 Posted From: 130.253.32.150 |
Now we know why Francken Christ is so hateful. Is he a homosexual? That explains his anger and madness. He can deny all the facts and accuse Christians of eveything. Reason: He is following the tactics of the Communists. They will not answer the questions. But crucify the messenger. I normally do not do this. But as an exception, my suggestion to FrankenChrist is to see a Mental health professional before posting anything here.That will help everyone here. | ||
| inkorrekt (inkorrekt) Intermediate Member Username: inkorrekt Post Number: 120 Registered: 1-2006 Posted From: 130.253.32.150 |
Why do people follow the Religion of Evolution? They want a permissive life style without any accountability for their actions. Aldous Huxley the well knwn humanist said that personally, he would support Evolution, because it gives him sexual freedom.People are being deceived by men such as Deepak Chopra and they fall for him because he has a charming personality.Chopra believes in evolution. | ||
| searchlight86 (searchlight86) New member Username: searchlight86 Post Number: 21 Registered: 1-2006 Posted From: 68.233.230.27 |
Yes, macroevolution is often used as lame justification for wanton depravity. Sir Julian Huxley, grandson of Darwin's bulldog (Aldous Huxley), prominent evolutionist, and ex-head of UNESCO, when asked why The Origin of Species caught on so quickly and widely: "I suppose the idea of a Creator interferes with our sexual morays." Nothing to do with science. | ||
| frankenchrist (frankenchrist) Intermediate Member Username: frankenchrist Post Number: 139 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 66.109.136.179 |
haa haa haaa! You guys are great. Normaly I would recommend that people STOP sniffing glue and NOT procreate with parents and siblings -- but what the heck, I gotta admit you inbred, brain-damaged products of cult indoctrination are quite entertaining. Carry on. | ||
| searchlight86 (searchlight86) New member Username: searchlight86 Post Number: 22 Registered: 1-2006 Posted From: 68.233.230.27 |
My question is this, FC: Why would anyone want to believe or follow anything you say, since the end result seems to be intense anger and hatred to the point of madness? Why do you hate, slander and defame people you don't even know personally? Go ahead and come out with the real reason already, what are you afraid of? | ||
| danispeachy (danispeachy) Junior Member Username: danispeachy Post Number: 29 Registered: 7-2005 Posted From: 207.250.27.13 |
"Christianity is a hate cult." Yep, All those Christian Missionary's who work around the world to bring food, cloths, and medicine to poverty stricken nations are hateful. Who have you brought food, clothes and medicine to lately I wonder? All those evil Christians who volunteer to help others less fortunate, who donate money to several different causes like aids research, cancer research etc. The Christians who head the meals on wheels programs they are especially hateful. Amazing how you in your infinite knowledge have managed to classify billions of Christians throughout history as being hateful and persecutors. What's even more impressive is you do this based on the things Adolph Hitler did. Never mind is was the Christian Nations that fought and won in World War 2 ending Hitler's reign of terror. Lets not pay any mind to all the great things Christians have done throughout history, and lets especially ignore all the great injustices done by non Christians throughout history. So long as it's ignored we don't have to come to the realization that it's really MANKIND that has the capacity for both evil and greatness regardless of religious systems. | ||
| prschuster (prschuster) Intermediate Member Username: prschuster Post Number: 209 Registered: 1-2006 Posted From: 67.4.153.42 |
Why do these evolution/creation debates often degenerate into atheist vs fundamentalist Christian dog fights? The real issue is that creationism is a pseudoscientific fundamentalist cult which is not representative of all Christians... and evolution is NOT an atheistic world view... just a note to bring this thing back on topic. | ||
| searchlight86 (searchlight86) New member Username: searchlight86 Post Number: 23 Registered: 1-2006 Posted From: 68.233.230.27 |
Don't you know why, prschuster? I would think you know by now. It is right on topic, since this entire thread was started to shamefully assault, slander and defame Kent Hovind, a Christian, and macroevolution is completely incompatible with Biblical (definitive) Christianity. Just to clarify who started the dog fight, it was those ardently devoted to that pseudoscientific fundamentalist cult, evolution, so don't cry wolf now that it is off topic from the fragile idol of evolution. | ||
| ihavesinned (ihavesinned) Senior Member Username: ihavesinned Post Number: 1567 Registered: 1-2006 Posted From: 71.112.180.149 |
Yeah, this doctor is about as much of a doctor as Dr. Pepper. He is a manipulator , liar, and he can stick his fossilized pickle up his •••. This guy's garbage muddies the waters of real scientific discovery. Maybe I'll start my own idiotic challenge - I'll give a billion dollars to anybody that can prove the existence of god. But to claim the money, God has to do creation all over, so we can watch. Call me doctor ihavesinned by the way, cuz i like that title. | ||
| searchlight86 (searchlight86) New member Username: searchlight86 Post Number: 24 Registered: 1-2006 Posted From: 68.233.230.27 |
Just be patient ihs, and we'll all get definitive proof of God's existence relatively soon, within moments of our death. For those who proudly and self-sufficiently reject evidence now, God's reality will overwhelm them later, and then there will be no more dispute whatsoever. However, God doesn't need to do a demo for you, and doesn't need your fictional billion dollars. Since He's the Creator He owns everything anyway, and since He's the Redeemer also, He paid for us hard-hearted, rebellious little ingrates with His blood. Tiny man is free here to temporarily reject God as Creator and Redeemer, but if so will be completely unable to avoid Him as judge, and will have nothing left to say throughout eternity. For those irreconcilably devoted to this view, my recommendation is to do exactly what you're doing. Enjoy every drop of worldly pleasure that God has graciously given you here to the max, though you do not acknowledge Him as the source, because the time for pleasure is limited, and will be gone forever in the next world. | ||
| searchlight86 (searchlight86) New member Username: searchlight86 Post Number: 25 Registered: 1-2006 Posted From: 68.233.230.27 |
Let's face it, this isn't about Kent Hovind's title, challenge, or pickles. There's a lot of substance on his website and in his lectures that can't be answered by evolutionists. He's having a significant effect on exposing the fragile evolution fairy tale, and evolutionists view information contrary to their cherished cult as completely unacceptable. The time of evolution's stranglehold on academia from the 60's via NSF textbook grants is coming to an end, so people will again be able to make their own informed choices. Cry me a river. | ||
| zxcvbnm (zxcvbnm) Junior Member Username: zxcvbnm Post Number: 34 Registered: 1-2006 Posted From: 131.191.75.130 |
why cry you a river.. so you can bless it and now call it holly water.. fact one, evolution is new, very new way of thinking but yet in it's short time it has shown more facts about life then any GOD/BIBLE B.S | ||
| searchlight86 (searchlight86) Junior Member Username: searchlight86 Post Number: 26 Registered: 1-2006 Posted From: 68.233.230.27 |
Nope, even if you were to cry the whole river, holy water is nonsense also, and I can't bless anything since I'm not holier than thou. See above posts about the ancient pagan origin of Roman Catholicism, which the world has been largely deceived into believing is authentic Christianity. Only Christ defines Christianity. | ||
| ihavesinned (ihavesinned) Senior Member Username: ihavesinned Post Number: 1569 Registered: 1-2006 Posted From: 71.112.180.149 |
If Dr. Hovind has the truth of Jesus with him , why is his only "evidence" phony, discreditted nonsense? If you people are so comfortable in your beliefs, why are you so desperated to disprove evolution , and have your religion endorsed by the government. | ||
| frankenchrist (frankenchrist) Intermediate Member Username: frankenchrist Post Number: 140 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 66.109.136.179 |
It's all part of the fundi-nazi plan. Take a crap on the Constitution of the United Stated of America. Abolish freedom for everyone except fellow fundi-nazis. They want to establish a fundie version of the Taliban in the USA so they can completely destroy everything good that this country stands for such as freedom of religion, freedom of speech, and personal choice. People Like Hovind and pigfucker Pat Robertson despise the USA, they despise people, they despise life itself. Thye want to kill everyone who isn't a fundie moron like them. Thye hate the scientific theory of evolution because they hate science. They hate progress. They hate ideas. They hate everything except their own greed and power. It's funny Searchlight -- you rant about God and after we die -- I bet you don't even believe that crap yourself. | ||
| searchlight86 (searchlight86) Junior Member Username: searchlight86 Post Number: 27 Registered: 1-2006 Posted From: 68.233.230.27 |
ihs, I don't personally know Dr. Hovind or some of the other people slandered here, so I won't smack talk them (unlike some others). However, I have looked at selected website info (there is a substantial amount) and although can't speak to it's perfection, at least most appears reasonable, so it certainly cannot be generally classified as "phony, discredited nonsense." Most Christians don't want religion endorsed by the government in a state church, this was one of the pagan Roman Catholic perversions of the dark ages, was a huge problem in England the founding Americans left, and is not a Christian concept. When quizzed by Pilate, a political animal, Christ said "My kingdom is not of this world: if my kingdom were of this world, then would my servants fight, that I should not be delivered to the Jews: but now is my kingdom not from hence" (John 18:36). By the same token, Christians don't want the religion of evolution exclusively endorsed by the educational system or government to brainwash students (and future professors). They just want all supposed 'evidence' for both evolution and creation presented clearly to everyone and not censored out, so people can judge for themselves and make decisions however they like. | ||
| zxcvbnm (zxcvbnm) Junior Member Username: zxcvbnm Post Number: 42 Registered: 1-2006 Posted From: 131.191.75.130 |
they can educate creation Searclight86, its called church not school.. should we also teach in the schools that the tooth-fairy and Santa-Claus are actual? Because you can validate them no more then you can validate god | ||
| danispeachy (danispeachy) Junior Member Username: danispeachy Post Number: 30 Registered: 7-2005 Posted From: 207.250.27.13 |
Both Evolution and Religion need faith for belief. You can prove evolution as much as you can prove God. However, I believe more people world wide believe in some form of diety... way more than people believe in evolution, so if majority rules than... | ||
| ihavesinned (ihavesinned) Senior Member Username: ihavesinned Post Number: 1572 Registered: 1-2006 Posted From: 71.112.180.149 |
searchlight, I think you are right they should feature Dr. Hovind and his christian/dino theme park and merchandise in public schools. Our students would be well served by being exposed to this type of lunacy. When I was a student, I never realized there was such a maniacal group of fanatics out there that thought people were running around with dinosaurs. Something that crazy would never have occured to me on my own. Students should be told that the world is full of fanatics ready to substitute everyone elses reality with one of their own choosing. I had never heard of such a thing until I was approached by a man wanting me to work on some computer animation for a film. I asked what the film was about and he said it was funded by the Genesis Foundation or something, and they wanted to show that dinosaurs and humans existed at the same time. I got the hell out of there. | ||
| neversaynice (neversaynice) New member Username: neversaynice Post Number: 1 Registered: 1-2006 Posted From: 207.250.27.13 |
ROFL Here's what's funny. Those who believe in God and believe in the bible have a view of the world and history that is based on that belief. Most will sit there and give you scripture after scripture as evidence of why they believe what they believe. Yet the Unbelievers scoff and say where is your proof. Those who don't believe in God and the bible but do believe in science and evolution can't come up with any proof for their beliefs either. Science is always changing! Theory's are always changing! Evolution has not been proven. Yet the unbelievers demand proof. LOL its the pot calling the kettle black. | ||
| ihavesinned (ihavesinned) Senior Member Username: ihavesinned Post Number: 1574 Registered: 1-2006 Posted From: 71.112.180.149 |
"at least most appears reasonable, so it certainly cannot be generally classified as "phony, discredited nonsense." " Look up the Ica stones. They were a hoax that Dr. Hovind uses as evidence that dinosaurs and humans lived at the same time. Here is a link to the wikipedia page on them http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ica_stones The govt. of Peru arrested the guy that made them. | ||
| inkorrekt (inkorrekt) Intermediate Member Username: inkorrekt Post Number: 130 Registered: 11-2005 Posted From: 130.253.32.155 |
Neversaynice: "Those who believe in God and believe in the bible have a view of the world and history that is based on that belief. Most will sit there and give you scripture after scripture as evidence of why they believe what they believe" This is not true. Bible is the only book which has been found to be authentic through 25,000 pieces of evidence. These are substantiated through history and archeology. Quoting Bible to an unbeliever is like blowing a horn in a deaf man's ears. I feel sorry for these ill equipped "Saints". | ||
| inkorrekt (inkorrekt) Intermediate Member Username: inkorrekt Post Number: 131 Registered: 11-2005 Posted From: 130.253.32.155 |
Call me doctor ihavesinned by the way, cuz i like that title" Well, join the Club of Dr.Death (Dr.Kavorkian). | ||
| zxcvbnm (zxcvbnm) Junior Member Username: zxcvbnm Post Number: 47 Registered: 1-2006 Posted From: 131.191.75.130 |
bible 25.000 pieces of evidence.. what evidence do you speak of ..like the world flood the bible claims. hate to break it to you but that has been shown to be wrong and never happen.... that alone shows the Bibles is false and full of Lie's | ||
| neversaynice (neversaynice) New member Username: neversaynice Post Number: 4 Registered: 1-2006 Posted From: 65.30.148.114 |
inkorrekt: 25,000 articles of proof? Doubt it. Unless one can prove a book was written giving specific prophesy before it took place. Thats the only proof that matters. Historical accuracy doesn't count, only prophesy. zxcvbnm : Flood disproven? BS, prove its been disproven! | ||
| prschuster (prschuster) Intermediate Member Username: prschuster Post Number: 210 Registered: 1-2006 Posted From: 67.4.152.75 |
Inkorrekt wrote: "This is not true. Bible is the only book which has been found to be authentic through 25,000 pieces of evidence. These are substantiated through history and archeology." The only important historical or archeological evidence that interests me is that which concerns Genesis. So has anyone found that Ark on Mt Ararat yet? Have they found the remains of Adam & Eve yet? I mean, were they Australopithecines, Homo erectus or what? And how could you identify the remains of Adam, Eve, Cain & Abel to make sure they really were the first family? Why does Genesis state that flowering plants came before fish when the geological strata and radiometric dating techniques tell us just the opposite? Can anyone locate the garden of Eden and present the archeological, or geological evidence to back up their claims? I'm really curious to see what answers I get to these questions. | ||
| prschuster (prschuster) Intermediate Member Username: prschuster Post Number: 211 Registered: 1-2006 Posted From: 67.4.152.75 |
Inkorrekt wrote: "Why do people follow the Religion of Evolution? They want a permissive life style without any accountability for their actions." I believe in evolution and I don't believe in an afterlife. So why have I never murdered or raped anyone? Why haven't I robbed any banks? Why do I show up for work everyday and make sure that I do a good job even when no one is watching? Why do I, as a non-believer, have compassion for others? I don't fit your stereotype of the evolutionist very well, do I? | ||
| prschuster (prschuster) Intermediate Member Username: prschuster Post Number: 212 Registered: 1-2006 Posted From: 67.4.152.75 |
Ihavesinned wrote: "I had never heard of such a thing until I was approached by a man wanting me to work on some computer animation for a film. I asked what the film was about and he said it was funded by the Genesis Foundation or something, and they wanted to show that dinosaurs and humans existed at the same time. I got the hell out of there." Gee, I wonder if they were going to show the fake dino/man tracks from Paluxy Tx as evidence? | ||
| zxcvbnm (zxcvbnm) Member Username: zxcvbnm Post Number: 55 Registered: 1-2006 Posted From: 131.191.75.130 |
neversaynice.. pick up a geology book.. no lies, no gods, just facts.. and yes it's been shown time and time again no matter how much they look.. no world wide flood has happen. | ||
| zxcvbnm (zxcvbnm) Member Username: zxcvbnm Post Number: 56 Registered: 1-2006 Posted From: 131.191.75.130 |
neversaynice.. pick up a geology book.. no lies, no gods, just facts.. and yes it's been shown time and time again no matter how much they look.. no world wide flood has happen. | ||
| ihavesinned (ihavesinned) Senior Member Username: ihavesinned Post Number: 1588 Registered: 1-2006 Posted From: 71.112.180.149 |
"Gee, I wonder if they were going to show the fake dino/man tracks from Paluxy Tx as evidence?" He didn't get the chance, I booked out of there before he could give me his secret recipe for kool aid. But, you're right, that's another discreditted bit of evidence used by the like of Dr. Hovind. Although, by now maybe even he has abandoned that one, I don't know. And you're right about the above post. Evolution has no more to do with wanting a permissive lifestyle than physics, chemistry or any other branch of science does. | ||
| neversaynice (neversaynice) New member Username: neversaynice Post Number: 5 Registered: 1-2006 Posted From: 65.30.148.114 |
71 % of the Earth is covered by water. LOL! Your telling me that scientists have been able to scour the entire Earth and have indisputable proof that the flood never happened? Hey I have this time share I can sell you at a great price... LOL | ||
| zxcvbnm (zxcvbnm) Member Username: zxcvbnm Post Number: 58 Registered: 1-2006 Posted From: 131.191.75.130 |
your clueless neversaynice pick up a book and read.. | ||
| zxcvbnm (zxcvbnm) Member Username: zxcvbnm Post Number: 59 Registered: 1-2006 Posted From: 131.191.75.130 |
you don't need to search the entire earth.. all you need is to compare many point on the planet.. the rocks don't lie unlike your bible does.. | ||
| neversaynice (neversaynice) New member Username: neversaynice Post Number: 6 Registered: 1-2006 Posted From: 65.30.148.114 |
LOL I still got that time share... | ||
| zxcvbnm (zxcvbnm) Member Username: zxcvbnm Post Number: 63 Registered: 1-2006 Posted From: 131.191.75.130 |
I LOL at your ignorance to facts.. but it's your choice to run threw life blind believing in a fairytales of a god | ||
| prschuster (prschuster) Intermediate Member Username: prschuster Post Number: 214 Registered: 1-2006 Posted From: 67.4.152.75 |
Neversaynice wrote: "71 % of the Earth is covered by water. LOL! Your telling me that scientists have been able to scour the entire Earth and have indisputable proof that the flood never happened? " Here are a few things found in the fossil record that aren't consistent with a world-wide flood where animals are drowning: * worm tracks & burrows (undisturbed after being burried by subsequent layers) * impressions of raindrops (under water?) * organisms sorted by phylogeny rather than hydraulic features (dolphins & Ichthyosaurs are similar in size habitat & shape but never share the same strata) * radiometric dating shows that lower levels are much older than upper ones (how do you explain the hydraulic sorting of radioisotopes?) | ||
| zxcvbnm (zxcvbnm) Member Username: zxcvbnm Post Number: 70 Registered: 1-2006 Posted From: 131.191.75.130 |
he has no clue what radioactive isotope are | ||
| searchlight86 (searchlight86) Junior Member Username: searchlight86 Post Number: 28 Registered: 1-2006 Posted From: 66.245.38.174 |
It's quite humorous for evolutionists to accuse creationists of phony evidence, considering evolutionists hold the undisputed gold medal in this area over a long time period. Comparing publicized phony evidence from creation to macroevolution is like comparing a grain of sand to a beach. (Message edited by searchlight86 on January 25, 2006) | ||
| searchlight86 (searchlight86) Junior Member Username: searchlight86 Post Number: 29 Registered: 1-2006 Posted From: 66.245.38.174 |
zx, you're right that almost all school textbooks (including geology, biology etc.) today are written from an evolutionary perspective, based initially on the avalanche of $ from the National Science Foundation in the 60's, not because there was a sudden influx of convincing information at that time. Since that time, all other 'ID'-type views have been marginalized and censored out. Therefore, so what? | ||
| searchlight86 (searchlight86) Junior Member Username: searchlight86 Post Number: 30 Registered: 1-2006 Posted From: 66.245.38.174 |
So explain the following geology then, which is indeed not in most school textbooks: Since most agree each rock strata represents a brief period of time, an estimate of non-depositional and erosional periods would provide the approximate time of the whole. However, like sand on a seashore, many layers exhibit ripple marks, which last in loose sand only until the next tide, and even in hard rock erode within a few years. Since these are present almost everywhere on sandstone surfaces, this shows relatively quick burial by the next layer. Also, the middle Cambrian grades conformably into the upper Cambrian, which somewhere grades into lower Ordovician, then middle Ordovician and so on. From the Cambrian upwards the geologic strata are a record of continuous, catastrophic, rapid deposition of flood waters. Therefore, if viewed worldwide, it is actually one big layer with sublayers deposited quickly. A global flood would also provide a non-fairy tale explanation why jellyfish fossils were found in Wisconsin, since jellyfish are composed of almost all water and decompose almost instantly. Or do you think? could it be? were they planted there from a UFO to simulate a global flood? even though the UFO macroevolved without leaving any trace of evidence because it happened so quickly? | ||
| inkorrekt (inkorrekt) Intermediate Member Username: inkorrekt Post Number: 135 Registered: 11-2005 Posted From: 67.190.2.228 |
SCHUSTER: I believe in evolution and I don't believe in an afterlife. So why have I never murdered or raped anyone? Why haven't I robbed any banks? Why do I show up for work everyday and make sure that I do a good job even when no one is watching? Why do I, as a non-believer, have compassion for others? I don't fit your stereotype of the evolutionist very well, do I?" I am really impressed by your ethical standards. Keep up the good works. I was only referring to what Aldous Huxley said about evolution. According to evolution, everything changes. Whatever we see or believe is not good for tomorrow. If everything changes, then why bother? There is no absolute. everything is relative. There is no differnce between loving someone and killing someone. With the exception of Schuster, today's society protects the Criminal (eg: tookey ) and punishes the innocent UNborn. | ||
| frankenchrist (frankenchrist) Intermediate Member Username: frankenchrist Post Number: 144 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 66.109.136.179 |
'A global flood would also provide a non-fairy tale explanation why jellyfish fossils were found in Wisconsin,..." A global flood is a fairy-tale. Everything in your stupid fairy tale book is a fairy tale. | ||
| searchlight86 (searchlight86) Junior Member Username: searchlight86 Post Number: 31 Registered: 1-2006 Posted From: 66.245.38.174 |
Everything? How did you conclude that?? Professional historians (Christian and otherwise) no longer publicly challenge historicity of the Bible (even though 'higher criticism' nonsense is still taught in schools just as evolution), since they would lose their professional reputation. | ||
| frankenchrist (frankenchrist) Intermediate Member Username: frankenchrist Post Number: 145 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 66.109.136.179 |
Yes, fundies (I'm n ot talking about mainstream Christians, I do mean fundies) always have and always will insis that the Booble is historically accurate. Real historians use real evidence and do not pretend that there is any real historical value in that stupid book of fiction. Fundies lie. They always have and always will. When evidence does not support their idiotic superstition -- they lie. That is why fundamentalist Christian sources have no credibilty in the real world -- because they always have an agenda -- to convert as many people as they can to Pisstianity and kill all the people who refuse to convert to their idotic cult. Fundies are the meanest people. Ever notice how downright hateful viscious fundies are -- they have no conscience. | ||
| zxcvbnm (zxcvbnm) Member Username: zxcvbnm Post Number: 74 Registered: 1-2006 Posted From: 131.191.75.130 |
lol...the jelly fish scam..4 you who have not heard about this ..some jelly fish fossil found in Wisconsin. the funny thing about this, is the bible folks try to say this one small group proves that a world flood happen.. even after their own bible scholars looked high and low and found nothing else to back it up in the world.. 4 their story to work you also have to believe when these jelly fish were stranded that no scavenger got them (bible folks own words).. the bible people go on to say at this time no scavengers lived on earth.. but we know 4 a fact( fossil record show) they did live... the kicker to this all.. everybody agreed that the jelly's had died over millions of years ago include the bible folks who came up with the idea.. but the bible claims that god made earth in the last 10,000 years ... sorry searchlight time line don't add up no scavengers on earth at the time does not fit ... but nice try.. gods people are are better off sticking to the bible fictions and leave the truth to science | ||
| searchlight86 (searchlight86) Junior Member Username: searchlight86 Post Number: 32 Registered: 1-2006 Posted From: 66.245.38.174 |
You must be a super-fundie then? Welcome. Non-Christian (and Christian) historians no longer challenge the historicity of the Bible, because it was so thoroughly validated by the last half century of archeology it could no longer be denied. The same thing will happen to macroevolution soon, so savor every drop of the 'frog to a prince' tale while you can before the house of cards collapses. If you notice, America, generally regarded as a Christian nation, and founded by what you may call 'fundies', is one of the few places where our free speech is protected. Huh, I wonder why that is? | ||
| ihavesinned (ihavesinned) Senior Member Username: ihavesinned Post Number: 1596 Registered: 1-2006 Posted From: 71.112.180.149 |
That's not as convincing as the fossilized pickle. What kind of stone were the jellies found in? Sandstone. What is sandstone made of ? Sand. Where do you find sand? Beaches. Some 500 million years ago, this part of the country was covered by an inland sea. No global flood necessary. | ||
| searchlight86 (searchlight86) Junior Member Username: searchlight86 Post Number: 33 Registered: 1-2006 Posted From: 66.245.38.174 |
So zv, your reasoning is the macroevolution view including timeline is true by definition (in this case jelly's dying millions of years ago, knowing if there were scavengers or not at the time etc.). Jellyfish fossils had to be sealed very quickly to be preserved at all, so there would be very little time for scavengers to get them anyway, so what does this have to do with anything? Typical of not truly considering any evidence that doesn't fit with macroevolution eh? I would like to say nice try, but I must say try again. Also, what about the other factors I mentioned? | ||
| zxcvbnm (zxcvbnm) Member Username: zxcvbnm Post Number: 77 Registered: 1-2006 Posted From: 131.191.75.130 |
huh, i wonder why when you prove the bible folks wrong.. they always come back with this B.S about the time has come and they change the subject that they brought up...keep on back stepping searchlight. watch out, you mite just back step yourself right off the flat earth as the bible claims | ||
| searchlight86 (searchlight86) Junior Member Username: searchlight86 Post Number: 34 Registered: 1-2006 Posted From: 66.245.38.174 |
Hey ivs, how do you know this part of the country was covered by an inland sea 500 million years ago? How big was it? Maybe worldwide? Are you saying that because the jellies were found in sandstone (laid down by water) that ancient Wisconsin was a beach?? | ||
| searchlight86 (searchlight86) Junior Member Username: searchlight86 Post Number: 35 Registered: 1-2006 Posted From: 66.245.38.174 |
Where's the alleged backstepping, zx? The Bible teaches a spherical earth, millenia before modern science discovered it: Isa 40:22: "[It is] he that sitteth upon the circle of the earth, and the inhabitants thereof [are] as grasshoppers; that stretcheth out the heavens as a curtain, and spreadeth them out as a tent to dwell in:" The Hebrew word chuwg used here means a circle or sphere. Looks like you just backstepped yourself and already fell off the edge, doesn't it? This happens a lot to us grasshoppers. | ||
| searchlight86 (searchlight86) Junior Member Username: searchlight86 Post Number: 36 Registered: 1-2006 Posted From: 66.245.38.174 |
Hey zx, try again, and ... What about those other factors? I didn't see your answers, just some misbackstepping and name calling. Does this mean you were the one proven wrong, and don't have real answers? | ||
| zxcvbnm (zxcvbnm) Member Username: zxcvbnm Post Number: 79 Registered: 1-2006 Posted From: 131.191.75.130 |
The Bible teaches a spherical earth.. wrong searchlight.. it says circle not spherical.. big diff..come on bible people at least quote the bible correctly.. i don't think the word spherical is even used in the bible... if i drew you a circle would you call it spherical.. no because spherical is 3-D a circle is 2-D Is. 40:22 It is he that sitteth upon the circle of the earth | ||
| prschuster (prschuster) Intermediate Member Username: prschuster Post Number: 215 Registered: 1-2006 Posted From: 67.4.146.76 |
Searchlight86 wrote: "A global flood would also provide a non-fairy tale explanation why jellyfish fossils were found in Wisconsin, since jellyfish are composed of almost all water and decompose almost instantly." Of course a global flood COULD explain ripple marks and fossil jellyfish in Wisconsin, but so could local floods, or inland seas. Of course the global flood COULD NOT explain marks left by raindrops, worm tracks, foot prints or the fact that lower layers consistently date much older than upper layers. As for that jellyfish, such soft body parts rarely leave fossils, and when they do it is usually an impression left on the rock after they die. Being burried quickly in mud at the bottom of water will sometimes preserve something long enough for it to be fossilized, but this doesn't require a global flood. Now if there were a global flood you should see evidence of aquatic life & varves in all layers at all localities. But what you do see is evidence of water in specific locations in specific layers. So we can tell what areas were under water at what time. It just so happens that a lot of places on the Earth's continents were under water at one time or another, but not all at the same time. | ||
| frankenchrist (frankenchrist) Intermediate Member Username: frankenchrist Post Number: 146 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 66.109.136.179 |
Oh yes, our funny circle with the heavens streched over it like a tent. That describes a disk with a canopy over it. A primitive people's understanding of the physical shape of the earth and cosmos. It is not some amazing revalation from an omniscient entity. No. It is a typical flat-earth disk with a tent-like covering primitive perception of the planet. WONK!!! You failed Searchlight. Try again, this time show me a booble quote that could only come from the grand-cosmic, all-knowing sonofabitch and none other. | ||
| inkorrekt (inkorrekt) Intermediate Member Username: inkorrekt Post Number: 136 Registered: 11-2005 Posted From: 67.190.2.228 |
As for that jellyfish, such soft body parts rarely leave fossils, and when they do it is usually an impression left on the rock after they die. Being burried quickly in mud at the bottom of water will sometimes preserve something long enough for it to be fossilized, but this doesn't require a global flood" If this is not the way fossils are formed, how are they formed? Universal flood has been recorded in many civilizations not necessarily christian. They had no knowledge of the bible. In 1981, Mt.st. Helen erupted. Immediately after the eruption, fossils of nearby plants and animals were instantly formed. Fossilization process does not take millions of years. | ||
| inkorrekt (inkorrekt) Intermediate Member Username: inkorrekt Post Number: 137 Registered: 11-2005 Posted From: 67.190.2.228 |
NEVERSAYNICE:25,000 articles of proof? Doubt it. Unless one can prove a book was written giving specific prophesy before it took place. Thats the only proof that matters. Historical accuracy doesn't count, only prophesy. zxcvbnm : Flood disproven? BS, prove its been disproven! YOur doubts do not disprove the facts. Go and search for yourself. If you search, you will find them. These were leather scrolls which have been preserved. You may not believe history because you never even read American History. If you had read american history, you will not be arguing here. After all, you were indoctrinated by the public schools. Prophecy: Here again you are wrong. In the old testament, there are 66 prophecies given several hundreds of years before the events occured regarding the birth, life, death and resurrection of jesus christ. 100% fulfilled. This is not JEane Dixon's daily horoscope. History: Contemporary historians recorded the life of Jesus Christ. They were not even Christians. If archeology and History will not convince you, nothing will. Even if God Himself appears before you , you will still not believe anything. However, you will believe in the Mythology of evolution. By the way, who disproved the flood? | ||
| inkorrekt (inkorrekt) Intermediate Member Username: inkorrekt Post Number: 138 Registered: 11-2005 Posted From: 67.190.2.228 |
IHAVESINNED:Evolution needs defense from nuts like the Christian Coalition, who's goal is theocracy. When science discovers something that contradicts the bible, it must be silenced or discreditted" Do you know what theocracy is? I guess not. Iran is theocracy. There you can never say any word against your government. if you did, your head will be cut off. It is only because our christian constitution, you have the freedom even to worship a Stone or a Donkey even. Christian Government alone gives you the freedom for Speech as well as liberty to practise your faith. The pilgrims were suppressed by theocracy in Britain and so they came to this new land. What is the special discovery that contradicts Bible? Please do not quote Darwin. Did you know that the famous Astronomers, Physicists, Chemists and Biologists are intrigued by several strange phenomenon Science cannot explain? | ||
| frankenchrist (frankenchrist) Intermediate Member Username: frankenchrist Post Number: 147 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 66.109.136.179 |
nope your wrong, If god himself appeared before me -- and that SOB would have to do something to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that he was god in no uncertian terms -- and told me that the booble is the absolute truth I would believe it. But so far I have only heard people who claim to speak for god. Not good enough. If god wants to tell me something he can tell me his mufukin' self. People who claim to speak for god or hear the voice of god are liars and frauds. | ||
| zxcvbnm (zxcvbnm) Member Username: zxcvbnm Post Number: 81 Registered: 1-2006 Posted From: 131.191.75.130 |
INKORRECKT you can call them fossils but really fossil is The evidence in rock of the presence of a plant or an animal from an earlier geological period. key words: earlier geological period | ||
| ihavesinned (ihavesinned) Senior Member Username: ihavesinned Post Number: 1600 Registered: 1-2006 Posted From: 71.112.180.149 |
"Do you know what theocracy is? I guess not. Iran is theocracy. There you can never say any word against your government. if you did, your head will be cut off. It is only because our christian constitution, you have the freedom even to worship a Stone or a Donkey even." Please. The Christian Constitution? Get the fcku out, where is the word "christ" "god" or "jesus" in the constitution? You're telling me Wacky Pat and the Christian Coalition don't want to infiltrate the Govt. and turn it Christian? They have issued statements to that effect, but I'm too bored arguing about this to dig up a quote, I'm sure Frankenchrist knows where to send you. | ||
| jeepman (jeepman) Junior Member Username: jeepman Post Number: 37 Registered: 9-2005 Posted From: 72.49.72.4 |
"I don't want creation to be taught at all in Schools" Why, Inkorrekt? What are you afraid of? Your statement shows the fear that Satan has put in people's hearts. | ||
| ihavesinned (ihavesinned) Senior Member Username: ihavesinned Post Number: 1601 Registered: 1-2006 Posted From: 71.112.180.149 |
sigh... | ||
| zxcvbnm (zxcvbnm) Member Username: zxcvbnm Post Number: 84 Registered: 1-2006 Posted From: 131.191.75.130 |
lol jeepman.. that not fear, its called thinking 4 yourself... you zombie | ||
| inkorrekt (inkorrekt) Intermediate Member Username: inkorrekt Post Number: 141 Registered: 11-2005 Posted From: 198.243.2.253 |
JEEPMAN writes: "I don't want creation to be taught at all in Schools".Why, Inkorrekt? What are you afraid of? Your statement shows the fear that Satan has put in people's hearts". Well, Creation will not be taught in Public Schools. Why? When this country was formed, all schools taught Bible as a text book on history and literature. This was great.Then, those who were antichristians established Public schools where Bible (Creation) would never be taught. This is where we are today. Let the Public Schools Ban Creation and Bible.Let us leave them alone. However, I demand the Government to give us School Choices where we will Teach Bible and Creation. I also insist the public Schools to teach alternatives to Evolution which at this moment is only Intelligent Design. WE also must be wise in our demands. We the creationists have been ostracized. No one wants to discuss anything with us. They shut us off because they hate God and Bible. When we quote scriptures, it is like blowing a horn into a deaf man's ears. When I discuss these issues with Evolutionists, I do not use Bible at all. Not because, I do not want to. I am being very wise not to shut them off. I use ONLY SCIENCE for the discussions. We all must be doing this. | ||
| zxcvbnm (zxcvbnm) Intermediate Member Username: zxcvbnm Post Number: 103 Registered: 1-2006 Posted From: 131.191.75.130 |
inkorrekt wrote "I demand the Government to give us School Choices where we will Teach Bible and Creation' it will never happen.. schools teach knowing facts not fairy tales. take your kids to church 4 that | ||
| ihavesinned (ihavesinned) Senior Member Username: ihavesinned Post Number: 1611 Registered: 1-2006 Posted From: 67.161.121.88 |
"I also insist the public Schools to teach alternatives to Evolution which at this moment is only Intelligent Design. " If you look under the evolution thread, you will see the latest alternative to evolution, the Flying Spaghetti Monster. Too long has this farce of evolution been pushed on us by these "scientists" and "professors". It is high time they bowed down to their creator, the Flying Spaghetti Monster. http://www.venganza.org/ Be sure to check out the section which PROVES that global warming is actually caused by a declining number of pirates worldwide. I think we should also insist that the latest alternative to the unproven theory of gravity be included in the public curriculum - Intelligent Falling. | ||
| zxcvbnm (zxcvbnm) Intermediate Member Username: zxcvbnm Post Number: 107 Registered: 1-2006 Posted From: 131.191.75.130 |
inkorrekt intelligent design OK .. all that means is something intelligent was behide it.. so do we teach god did it or aliens or what? | ||
| ihavesinned (ihavesinned) Senior Member Username: ihavesinned Post Number: 1614 Registered: 1-2006 Posted From: 67.161.121.88 |
Teaching intelligent design is like teaching that cheddar cheese is better than swiss. There is simply no science there. There is nothing to test, it is PURE speculation with no experimental data. It is an attempt to bring religion into the classroom by the same folks who brought you creation science. These people sound good to each other, but when it comes to convincing anybody of merit, they fall on their faces. Read here to see their sinister plan http://www.au.org/site/News2?page=NewsArticle&id=5582&abbr=cs_ And here is the Discovery Institutes own website-http://www.discovery.org/ As you can see, everything is slanted right, and to a christian viewpoint. No wonder their case was thrown out of court. What's next? Christian math? You know the Persians came up with algebra, seems a little heathen to me. I don't want my tax dollars paying for heathen math. | ||
| neversaynice (neversaynice) New member Username: neversaynice Post Number: 7 Registered: 1-2006 Posted From: 207.250.27.13 |
I wish I believed in evolution. Then I could do anything I want. According to evolution I am at the top of the ladder. Now kneel before me you filthy half monkeys! | ||
| danispeachy (danispeachy) Junior Member Username: danispeachy Post Number: 47 Registered: 7-2005 Posted From: 207.250.27.13 |
LOL NSN I don't agree with everything Hovind says. He does have an open policy of debate though. All you evolutionist can go debate him if your so sure of yourself. | ||
| neversaynice (neversaynice) New member Username: neversaynice Post Number: 8 Registered: 1-2006 Posted From: 207.250.27.13 |
Your Mommy was a rock and your Daddy was a banana! Kneel you inferior less evolved mutant! I'm going on a campaign to cleanse the world of the half rocks! | ||
| zxcvbnm (zxcvbnm) Intermediate Member Username: zxcvbnm Post Number: 118 Registered: 1-2006 Posted From: 131.191.75.130 |
Evolution can be divided into two parts, macro and micro. Micro evolution is a fact and has been proven, where as macro evolution remains a theory due to debates on the exact steps of the evolutionary process. It has been verified without doubt, that humans have evolved. We can trace it back conclusively 3.6 million years... you bible say earth is only 6,000 years old. facts or Lie's what to believe.. you bible folks are blind | ||
| danispeachy (danispeachy) Junior Member Username: danispeachy Post Number: 49 Registered: 7-2005 Posted From: 207.250.27.13 |
While mainstream Christianity does say that the Earth is only 6000 yrs old. Many sects interpret scripture differently. There are Christian churches that believe the Earth is millions of years old, they don't believe in evolution though. To put Christians all in 1 category of belief is inaccurate. | ||
| zxcvbnm (zxcvbnm) Intermediate Member Username: zxcvbnm Post Number: 120 Registered: 1-2006 Posted From: 131.191.75.130 |
funny no christian believed that until science show it to be true.. So you keep changing the bible 4 your own needs.. the bible sure is easy to change... but i guess when their Lie's it's not that hard | ||
| danispeachy (danispeachy) Member Username: danispeachy Post Number: 51 Registered: 7-2005 Posted From: 207.250.27.13 |
And you know that how? You may have an idea of mainstream christianity and their point of view but when you go back to the originial manuscripts, Ones eyes are truly opened. You can believe you came from a monkey - I personally don't care. | ||
| neversaynice (neversaynice) New member Username: neversaynice Post Number: 9 Registered: 1-2006 Posted From: 207.250.27.13 |
Want to know what ZXCVBNM does when he's on his knees before me? | ||
| danispeachy (danispeachy) Member Username: danispeachy Post Number: 52 Registered: 7-2005 Posted From: 207.250.27.13 |
No! Not particularly! | ||
| zxcvbnm (zxcvbnm) Intermediate Member Username: zxcvbnm Post Number: 122 Registered: 1-2006 Posted From: 131.191.75.130 |
danispeachy wrote "You can believe you came from a monkey - I personally don't care" Evolution does not state that humans evolved from monkeys, that idea is completely absurd. Science states that monkeys and humans evolved from a shared forefather and are hence relatives, (all primates are) but we are in no way direct descendants of them. you've shown you're true lack of intelligence and knowledge | ||
| danispeachy (danispeachy) Member Username: danispeachy Post Number: 53 Registered: 7-2005 Posted From: 207.250.27.13 |
"For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse: Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened. Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools, and changed the glory of the incorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and four-footed beasts, and creeping things." Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonor their own bodies between themselves: Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen. For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature: And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompense of their error which was meet. And even as they did not like to retain God in [their] knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient; Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers, Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents, Without understanding, covenant breakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful: Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them. (Romans 1:20-32) Prophesied thousands of years ago, but so poignant today. | ||
| danispeachy (danispeachy) Member Username: danispeachy Post Number: 54 Registered: 7-2005 Posted From: 207.250.27.13 |
May the Lord open your eyes to truth so you may receive his blessings. I ask In Jesus name. Amen | ||
| inkorrekt (inkorrekt) Intermediate Member Username: inkorrekt Post Number: 145 Registered: 11-2005 Posted From: 130.253.32.157 |
XXCVBNM:Micro evolution is a fact and has been proven, where as macro evolution remains a theory due to debates on the exact steps of the evolutionary process" You can say that these events occured and are still occuring. Did you know that Chemical evolution is impossible because, chemical laws do not allow evolution to occur? Microevolution is a wishful thinking. Macro Evolution is Science fiction. You seem to have more faith in something that can never happen than all the Christians put together. There are only 20 amino acids in nature. They constitute proteins. For example, Collagen is a protein in skin. The same chemical is also found in the skin or a rat. Collagen affords the special properties of skin. Human skin and rat skin have the same protein. Does it mean that We came from rats? There is something known as Structure and function relationship. In simple terms certain chemicals have certain properties. For the same function, same chemicals occur in different species. | ||
| ihavesinned (ihavesinned) Senior Member Username: ihavesinned Post Number: 1629 Registered: 1-2006 Posted From: 71.112.180.149 |
You have demonstrated a complete lack of understanding of the most basic precepts of evolution. You should read a book. | ||
| frankenchrist (frankenchrist) Intermediate Member Username: frankenchrist Post Number: 148 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 66.109.136.179 |
Actually fundies can be cured, or cure themselves, rather. After they stop being fundies they turn into complete human beings and start acting like real people. See the following site: http://exchristian.net/ | ||
| zxcvbnm (zxcvbnm) Intermediate Member Username: zxcvbnm Post Number: 130 Registered: 1-2006 Posted From: 131.191.75.130 |
inkorrekt wrote "Microevolution is a wishful thinking" .. LOL really that why it has already been proven over and over again including some of your top bible scholar's.. you bible fool.. i swear if you're own god decided to appear right in front you. you would all dis miss it.. no wonder the christian Church's lost 14% of its followers in the last decade.. that's 30 million born again thinkers of truth not Lie's. | ||
| prschuster (prschuster) Intermediate Member Username: prschuster Post Number: 216 Registered: 1-2006 Posted From: 67.4.153.215 |
Inkorrekt wrote: "Immediately after the eruption, fossils of nearby plants and animals were instantly formed. Fossilization process does not take millions of years." Paleontologists are well aware that fossils don't take millions of years to form. But they remain preserved for millions of years after they are formed. | ||
| inkorrekt (inkorrekt) Intermediate Member Username: inkorrekt Post Number: 150 Registered: 11-2005 Posted From: 205.169.115.238 |
IHAVESINNED: "You have demonstrated a complete lack of understanding of the most basic precepts of evolution. You should read a book" It is not difficult for anyone to understand this Mythology of Evolution. All I have read about Evolution does not make any sense to me at all like Dawkins, Gould, and some of darwin.. Rather it is too boring. No one has given me any answer. They keep repeating something that does not happen and can never happen. You are not alone. Others have asked me to read a Book as an excuse for not answering my question to the Evolutionist. I have read lot more books and forgotten lot more information than any average person would ever do in his/her life time. Thank you for the suggestion. | ||
| zxcvbnm (zxcvbnm) Intermediate Member Username: zxcvbnm Post Number: 173 Registered: 1-2006 Posted From: 131.191.75.130 |
inkorrekt wrote "They keep repeating something that does not happen and can never happen" but you can believe in a Holy Spirit impregnated Mary, who then gave birth to a man-god who got killed, came back to life and then ascended into the sky. OK blind boy....LOL | ||
| inkorrekt (inkorrekt) Intermediate Member Username: inkorrekt Post Number: 152 Registered: 11-2005 Posted From: 209.245.24.130 |
zxcvbnm (zxcvbnm): You see, I was an atheist just like you. My life never had any purpose. I lived like an animal. I hated God, church religion, Bible etc. My mother prayed for me. I even teased her for praying to someone who does not exist. I could not go any further. I was a hard head. But, My mother's prayer was heard. Jesus spoke to me and convicted that I was a sinner. I even tried to justify that I was not. But, I failed. I had to surrender my pride before the Holy God. I did . He transformed my life. This is an impossibility. Whatever the best Psychatrist cannot accomplish, Jesus had done in my life. Well He can do this for you too. You do not need to be an angry person. You can experience the Joy that I had found (more than 3 billion people had found this Joy). God is waiting on you. Just check Him out. You cannot lose anything. But, if you reject Him and if YOU ARE WRONG, THEN IT IS A VERY SERIOUS ISSUE FOR YOU. **SO,YOU BETTER BE RIGHT*** Ex-Atheist Ex-Darwinist Ex-Democ"RAT" | ||
| inkorrekt (inkorrekt) Intermediate Member Username: inkorrekt Post Number: 153 Registered: 11-2005 Posted From: 209.245.24.130 |
zxcvbnm (zxcvbnm): In this forum, i had never talked about God or Bible. I have been asking everyone to provide me evidence only based on SCIENCE. NO one has done it. Instead of answering my question, you are attacking God. Why? If you do not have the answer(which is true) then please do not reply. You are not proving anything by your attacks. In this situation, SILENCE will make you wiser. | ||
| prschuster (prschuster) Intermediate Member Username: prschuster Post Number: 217 Registered: 1-2006 Posted From: 67.4.151.125 |
Hey zxcvbnm, inkorrekt has a point there. By attacking religious belief in general, in order to dismiss creationism, you paint yourself into a corner by equating evolution with atheism. This only encourages creationists to characterize evolution as an attack on God & religion, while it dismisses the legitimacy of the many Christian evolutionists who are just as concerned as you about the spread of creatio-fundamentalism. | ||
| zxcvbnm (zxcvbnm) Intermediate Member Username: zxcvbnm Post Number: 212 Registered: 1-2006 Posted From: 131.191.75.130 |
inkorrekt. I don't need to prove god. that is on you and your faith to prove i believe in evolution.. i can show hundreds of thousands facts that point towards evolution from all these science's, evolutionary biology, paleobiology, cosmology, astronomy, physics, paleontology, archeology, historical geology, zoology, botany, and biogeography, can you show me one fact, No can you give me one logical answer from the christian side that god does exist..keyword logical.... i know you bible scholars have some logical answer, do you know any of them? i would like to hear | ||
| ihavesinned (ihavesinned) Senior Member Username: ihavesinned Post Number: 1638 Registered: 1-2006 Posted From: 71.112.180.149 |
"I have read lot more books and forgotten lot more information than any average person would ever do in his/her life time. Thank you for the suggestion. " This is plainly a lie, as well as your claim to being saved and having your life transformed by Jesus. Your tone-like that of many other self-proclaimed "saved people" -gives you away. You are bitter and argumentative, and wasting your time trying to convince people that science is false. | ||
| zxcvbnm (zxcvbnm) Intermediate Member Username: zxcvbnm Post Number: 216 Registered: 1-2006 Posted From: 131.191.75.130 |
how true ihavesinned...... | ||
| inkorrekt (inkorrekt) Intermediate Member Username: inkorrekt Post Number: 156 Registered: 11-2005 Posted From: 67.190.2.228 |
IHAVESINNED: This is plainly a lie, as well as your claim to being saved and having your life transformed by Jesus. Your tone-like that of many other self-proclaimed "saved people" -gives you away. You are bitter and argumentative, and wasting your time trying to convince people that science is false" You read the posts by zXCVBNM and mine. He is the one who has repeatedly used the F*** word to me while I have only been challenging everyone here. You see, I am only attempting to give some facts to that people will engage in some "CRITICAL THINKING" and the use of common sense. If what you are saying is true, then I would have used lot more harsh words to him. You are wrong. I do not understand how you evaluate TRUE CHRISTIANS? I am not perfect. I will never be as long as I am on this earth. I do not claim to be a saint either. I am a sinner saved by Grace. When I said TRANSFORMATION, I am only referring to WISDOM. I was a FOOL when I said that there was no GOD.I was an ATHEIST. I strongly believed in evolution without knowing what it was. When I gave my life to God, He transformed my MIND. He gave me the WISDOM to find out what Evolution was all about. My transformation gave me the Wisdom. This is what PSalmist David writes: FEAR OF THE LORD IS THE BEGINNING OF WISDOM. I do not have to prove to you or anyone how good a Christian I am. I am not going to do this. People who know me know who I am and God knows. It is not my intention to prove that SCINCE IS WRONG. That is your understanding. Perhaps you have no idea that there are 2 types of Scientists. 1) The real Scientists 2) Junk Scientists.....continued | ||
| inkorrekt (inkorrekt) Intermediate Member Username: inkorrekt Post Number: 157 Registered: 11-2005 Posted From: 67.190.2.228 |
The real Scientists cannot and will not accept anything without valid evidence. They will not Suppose, extrapolate, assume and then force it on every one else. They are honest enough to admit that they are wrong, If they have no answer, they are honest enough to admit that they do not know. Whereas the Junk scientists do not care about the truth. They care about their jobs and career. If their career demands them to Cheat their results and lie about it, they will; do it. They will never admit that they are wrong. They will not admit that they do not know if they did not. For your kind information, I am only critical of JUNK SCIENCE. If we all beliêved Junk Science, we would never have all these, inventions and technologies. What makes you ASSUME that when I challenge your BELIEFS, I am very mean? I do not have to prove to you what I have read. Your disbelief will not change the facts. I once again repeat this: I have learnt more and forgotten more than what an average person will ever do in his/her life. You see, you can criticise me all that you want. This will not change anything. On the otherhand, your criticisms will make me a better christian. Thank you. | ||
| ihavesinned (ihavesinned) Senior Member Username: ihavesinned Post Number: 1643 Registered: 1-2006 Posted From: 71.112.180.149 |
There are two types of science, I would agree. 1) The kind that doesn't relate to the bible. 2) The kind that calls into question the literal interpretation of Genesis. I think we know which one you consider junk science. As for this- "I have learnt more and forgotten more than what an average person will ever do in his/her life. " To quote Jack Nicholson " Go sell crazy somewhere else, we're all stocked up here." | ||
| searchlight86 (searchlight86) Junior Member Username: searchlight86 Post Number: 37 Registered: 1-2006 Posted From: 66.245.26.91 |
For macroevolutionists on this thread, would you be willing to accept the God of the Bible, if, purely hypothetically you knew for an absolute fact He was real? I rarely receive direct or honest answers to this, but in my experience, those who answer honestly say no, because they want to be their own 'god' above all else. If this is the case, debates about evidence are a complete waste of time for you and are simply used as misdirection, since you are consciously or subconsciously predisposed to reject them even if God were to make a personal appearance to each of you individually. Almost all of us here were trained in evolution through the educational system, and I'm sure most of us believed it. However, it's irrational to believe the Bible is unscientific, since there are so many thousands of very highly credentialed and ex-evolutionist scientists that are now creationists, and this is now an established one-way trend. If and until we are willing to humble ourselves, we will never see or experience God until it is too late, whether He were real or not. Your choice. You can laugh now, but will only have yourself to blame later for not taking this information seriously. | ||
| zxcvbnm (zxcvbnm) Intermediate Member Username: zxcvbnm Post Number: 242 Registered: 1-2006 Posted From: 131.191.75.130 |
searchlight86 good post... you said "since there are so many thousands of very highly credentialed and ex-evolutionist scientists that are now creationists" yes but the same can be said ex-creationists to evolutionist | ||
| zxcvbnm (zxcvbnm) Intermediate Member Username: zxcvbnm Post Number: 243 Registered: 1-2006 Posted From: 131.191.75.130 |
maybe we should put up a toll bridge between the two, take the money and put a independent study/test together.  | ||
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