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     mortar_n_pestle (mortar_n_pestle) Member Username: mortar_n_pestle Post Number: 79 Registered: 10-2005 Posted From: 72.130.224.250 |
The Culture of Pornography R. Albert Mohler Jr. Baptist Press "For most of my life, I gave little thought to pornography. It was not something I considered relevant to me, nor did I consider it -- in the daunting spectrum of social, cultural, and political problems -- a particularly pressing issue facing this country," recalls Pamela Paul, author of Pornified: How Pornography Is Transforming Our Lives, Our Relationships, and Our Families. Her new book is likely to attract attention as it represents one of the few comprehensive reports on how pornography has transformed American culture. Paul, a contributor to TIME magazine and other major journals, developed her interest in the cultural impact of pornography when she was asked to write about the subject for TIME. "Like many Americans, I believed pornography was no big deal," she explains. Nevertheless, her experience writing about pornography for TIME changed everything. "My eyes were blown open," Paul now remembers. What Pamela Paul discovered was that pornography is not merely a major player in the economy. Now, it has become an engine for transforming the entire culture -- and corrupting countless lives. "Pornified" is really an extension of Pamela Paul's investigative work for TIME magazine. The book is more a journalistic report than a sociological analysis. In one sense, that's what makes this book all the more significant in terms of impact. Paul has filled her book with anecdotes drawn from her interviews with hundreds of porn users and analysis drawn from a massive study on pornography's effects, done in partnership with Harris, Interactive. Paul begins by recalling a conversation with an elderly couple. Explaining that she was writing a book on pornography, the wife responded: "It's ruining this country. Just terrible. Pornography everywhere. Not like it was when we were young." Then she asked her husband, "Do you remember your uncle Joe?" Her husband was instantly reminded of his uncle's collection of "wolf cards" -- playing cards that featured explicit sexual images. At least, the images were considered sexually explicit for that day. "But it was so much tamer than what's out there today," the wife explained. Paul quickly takes her reader into the real-life world of modern pornography. In "pornographied" America, millions of men are like the husband described by a 38-year-old woman from a Chicago suburb. "He would come home from work, slide food around his plate during dinner, play for maybe half an hour with the kids, and then go into his home office, shut the door, and surf Internet porn for hours. I knew -- and he knew that I knew." Paul describes contemporary American culture as "pornographied" because porn is now literally everywhere. The users are no longer just fraternity boys and those written off as "dirty old men." Now, the users of virtually unrestricted porn include children, teenagers and adults of all ages. The victims include not only those whose lives, marriages, relationships, careers and sexuality are corrupted, but also everyone involved in the vast pornography industry at every stage. A sense of historical development adds credibility to Paul's analysis. She recognizes that some forms of pornography have been a part of human culture since antiquity. A quick look at the various sculpture galleries in the British Museum should be sufficient to prove that point. Nevertheless, she recognizes that today's pervasively pornified culture represents something new. Even in her own life span, Paul can note the development. "Men and women who came of age during the sixties, seventies, or eighties, or whose experience with pornography dates to those eras, think of pornography in terms of gauzy centerfolds, outre sexuality, women's liberation, and the Hugh Hefner lifestyle. Back then, the lines between softcore and hardcore pornography were clear and distinguishable." We now face a very different reality. "Today, pornography is so seamlessly integrated into popular culture that embarrassment or surreptitiousness is no longer part of the equation." As she observes, millions of today's teenage boys would simply roll their eyes when confronted with what would have been considered explicitly pornographic just a few years ago. Paul's analysis looks at the impact of pornography on both men and women. While increasing numbers of women are involved with pornography in various ways -- as producers, users, distributors and victims -- the major users of sexual pornography are men, both young and old. The statistics are truly frightening. According to industry studies, 70 percent of 18- to 24-year-old men visit pornographic sites in a typical month. These young men represent something like one-fourth of all visitors to pornography sites on the Internet. The next largest group of users are young men in their twenties and thirties, 66 percent of whom report being regular users of pornography. The appeal of pornography to teenage boys and young men is clear. Highly interested in sex, young males find their way into patterns of sexual excitement and arousal by being introduced to what, for most boys, are soft-core pornographic images -- at least at first. Before long, pornography becomes a sexual whirlpool, pulling users into deeper and deeper habits and into more and more extreme versions of pornography. The pornography industry understands that pornographic images desensitize viewers over time. Therefore, regular users of pornography -- especially on the Internet -- fuel their patterns of arousal and sexual excitement by expanding their "menu" of pornographic subjects and images. Today's average teenage boy is likely to have seen thousands of explicit sexual images, ranging across the spectrum of sexualities and perversions. Many of these boys and young men are driven by sexual fantasies that previous generations of young men would not even have known to imagine. In the language of contemporary academic jargon, the "transgressive" has become the normative. The economic incentives are a big part of the pornography industry, Paul understands. Today, Americans rent more than 800 million pornographic videos and DVDs per year -- about 20 percent of all rentals. At least 11,000 pornographic videos are produced annually, amounting to revenue for the adult film industry estimated at between 5 and 10 billion dollars per year. The pornography industry also includes cable and satellite television, where pay-for-view pornographic programming is big business. Paul also documents the profit incentive that has attracted the hotel industry. "Television pornography also pays off big in the travel industry for chains such as Holiday Inn, Marriott, Hyatt, Hilton, and Sheraton," Paul reports. "Given that half of all hotel guests order pornographic pay-per-view movies, the industry is hot for porn. Such films on pay-per-view compromise 80 percent of in-room entertainment revenue and 70 percent of total in-room revenue." The latest new "delivery system" for pornography is cell phones. The cell-phone pornography industry is expected to reach 1.5 billion dollars in Europe this year. "America is scrambling to catch up," Paul explains. "Now, with more cell phones featuring color display screens, digital cameras, and Web browsers, technology firms are offering more sophisticated ways to provide pornographic content." Parents will be especially interested by Paul's finding that libraries, including both public libraries and school libraries, have become a major conduit for getting pornography to teenage boys. Stephen Jones, a 14-year-old boy from Washington State, complained to his hometown newspaper: "I love to read. I love the Internet service the library provides; but we have a problem. Pornography is available through the library Internet. The library has filters, but as it stands now anyone over the age of twelve can have the filters taken off." We can be sure that many parents are unaware of these policies. David Burt, a public librarian concerned about the trend, cited a librarian in Washington who told him: "On Monday of last week a group of about eight to ten teenage boys came to the library and asked if they could get pornography on the Internet. I replied that they could. … Later that afternoon one of the younger boys (elementary age) said that the big boys had shown some dirty pictures on the computer. … When I applied to work at the library, running a porn shop was not in the job description. … We are supplying pornography to minors without their parents' permission or knowledge." Put simply, porn is now considered cool. As Paul argues, "Pornography is wildly popular with teenage boys in a way that makes yesteryear's sneaked glimpses at Penthouse seem monastic. For teenagers, pornography is just another online activity; there is little barrier to entry and almost no sense of taboo. Instead pornography has become a natural rite and acceptable pastime." Paul goes on to report that if pornography is popular among high schoolers, when boys get to college, "Pornography is more than accepted -- it's exalted." On some campuses, young men are known to leave notes on their doors that read: "Leave me alone, I'm watching porn." Pamela Paul functions as a reporter in this book, and her report should send a message of alarm throughout the culture. Regrettably, her book may find a chilly reception in a society increasingly given over to the titillation, perversion and profits offered by pornography. Christians cannot afford to be seduced by this complacency. God's gift of sexuality is being trampled underfoot and grotesquely corrupted by the commercialized debasement of sexuality. The wreckage left in the wake of pornography reaches many Christian homes, schools, churches and countless Christian lives. Some pastors report that pornography is now the leading cause of marital distress and breakup. This crisis calls not only for Christian concern, but for a bold Christian response. This column was adapted from Mohler's website at www.albertmohler.com. Mohler is president of Southern Baptist Theological Seminary in Louisville, Ky. For more articles and resources by Mohler, and for information on The Albert Mohler Program, visit www.albertmohler.com. © 2005 Baptist Press. All rights reserved. Used with permission. Is your marriage suffering from pornography? Advice with resource links: "When Pornography is Ruining Your Marriage" has anyone ever asked carman, and gotten a straight answer... as to whether or not he has, does, or would watch any pornography? how has that in any way, affected his life and his walk with the Lord? or God sending him a potential life partner for ministry and marriage? who will email him that question until he answers? answers in full honesty. | ||
| ashamed (ashamed) Intermediate Member Username: ashamed Post Number: 357 Registered: 5-2005 Posted From: 66.79.85.117 |
you have GOT to be kidding!!!!!????? | ||
| mortar_n_pestle (mortar_n_pestle) Member Username: mortar_n_pestle Post Number: 82 Registered: 10-2005 Posted From: 72.130.224.250 |
not at all. that is a question he should be asked and often and he should answer it honestly. God cares about the heart and the spirit of His daughter and carman's wife especially if the Lord brings the two of them together for a life purpose and further ministry. if he has something in his life that would crush or detract from her, or was in a secret bondage he would have to get clean and remain sober. he would have to be honest upfront about his past relationship with the substance and the power of it. not in gorry details but in full disclosure of his real character. if i were her, i would have him sign a pre-nup fining him into the thousands, and with it legally requiring him to go into treatment should he enter into that plague and leprosy and perversity; that would divide him from her, bring demons into their lives and home, and corrupt him as a covering. no ashamed, i am not kidding. ask him and see if he responds.  | ||
| mortar_n_pestle (mortar_n_pestle) Member Username: mortar_n_pestle Post Number: 83 Registered: 10-2005 Posted From: 72.130.224.250 |
is james bond, oo7 movies, any of them... pornographic? are any of the movies that carman has seen and respected like titanic, or who knows any one of a hundred, pornographic or soft porn? should we grow accustomed to images that are the things the Lord told us to not look at? should we say we can't do anything about it or its just normal? why does the Bible say to FLEE LUST AND EVEN THE HINT OF IMMORALITY. yes it very difficult than ever to do it, but then if we endure to the end we do have the promise of receiving a crown. we can love God above ourselves and keep gates of sin closed and accomplish things spiritually through the rebuke and the abstaining from the things the Lord really wants us to. which soft porn is okay to Him? and who is allowed to watch it and it won't do anything to them up to what point in time or experience. can we live our lives without porn? the Bible does say that there is no temptation in which God does not make a way of escape for us. we have the Spirit of the Lord and the fruit of self control. we can remove all evil things from our homes and filter the internet and block channels like other people say here and i wholeheartedly agree and live it too. is the new movie coming out by TBN somewhat pornographic in its textures and camera angles and off the shoulder slinky costuming or the kissing scene that would never have happened like that in that time in history? it was not just her beauty or lusty desirability that caught the kings attention, it was the favor on her and many of the women were beautiful, all of them probably. its too carnal and it was made that way to appeal to a secular audience and compete with hollywood. well hollywood is competing with the Omega Code which jan falsely prophesied and said that now hollywood would change and make Christian movies because of it. now you have two men, dan brown who actually looks like he has the 'anti-josh mcdowell' (and the"instead of" which is one of the definitions or translations for the word Anti-Christ),anointing from the satanic kingdom ron howard has stylized the film to look and sound more intense and in the same style as Omega Code. i wondered if he didn't rival carman and the champion with 'cinderella man' because he definitely did with the deadmandummycode. he is producing it to say it 'just may be true'. the trailers say in blazing golden letters after intriguing fast clips, Seek the Truth or Seek Truth. WHATEVER. didn't opey go to sunday school. is he mad that Andy is now a real Christian and sings Gospel songs? Dumbvinnysclunk is saying its the truth. WELL IT ISN'T AND ALL CHRISTIANS SHOULD HAVE THE FACTS ON THAT. we should be prepared to give an answer to everyone we encounter about the "facts" behind the fiction. don't you just love tom hanks saying to ron howard that he would "follow him into hell" when speaking about the dumbstinkiecrud (davincicode- WHATEVER). would any of you send all of your tom hanks films back to him or the producers with a non insane or violent letter and say that you will no longer support him? would you write tom hanks a loving letter and send him book that is well written disputing the code and an attractive Bible? would you sacrifice that to God? would carman call you to that potential action? One Night with King, should be pure ministry and powerfully, genuinely anointed, unique and clean art and life changing. not glorifying man's ability to compete with a secular and very spiritual machine and the forces in it and behind that only Christians can understand by the Holy Spirit. i hope it turns out better spiritually than the previews and and pieces and parts are indicating now. i don't like the feeling and the design and the visual compromises in the movie so far. the kissing scene looks forced and its way too long and are either one of them married to other people or are they single. they did not have to show a partial consumation of the marriage and focus on the many sensual textures that appeal to jan or paul or matt. they are doing somethings right with that movie, some of the motives appear to be pure and others do not, and they are doing somethings that are wrong and i am not wrong about that. the over the head shot and 360 of them kissing is just christianized, soft porn with a lot of decoration on the sets and the costumes. the valor of the biblical history is deep and profound and enough to make it work with out "competing" for supposed 'clean sensuality' in a tbn film. the power of God's word and the testimony of His plan of redemption for His people is powerful and compelling and true. i hope the best part of this movie is what esther did and why she did it, not so much how she did it and how jan wants it to look to satisfy her stylings of old hollywood and sex symbols. when fire was called down from Heaven by God's Prophet to compete with baal, he drenched the altar multiple times with water and depended on the living God to make good on His presence and power. is one night with the king clean, pure and drenched with water many times so that there is no doubt that God shows up to set the culture on fire to worship and to know something about Him? i think they need to really pray about the editing and what they have already done and have verbally and spiritually justified. there are many times when we say we are doing something right because we know we should be and then if you are in reality, the truth is, we are doing something wrong. do we honestly think that what happened to paul and the how it got worse, was 'just life'? and oh brother will they ever say its the devil that he fell and punctured his lung and had surgery. what is the spirituality behind that or involved that he surely must be seeking to discover. i know i would ask the Lord, "why" it happened and i would know better than to think, with the kind of highly spiritual life he lives and what he is involved in, that it was 'just an accident'. blame the devil last. he does attack, but he has to have permission and he has to have an opening unless its a Job thing. and it was not. but besides that, we cannot continue or start down the slippery slope of moral decadance and "little compromises" and tolerance of immorality and what the Lord calls evil and unclean. the world will hate us, the guilty will persecute us and the compromised will try to avoid exposure or will be slack in keeping standards and call it being culturally relevant or normal or something. snail slime. its not the God of the Bible and its not how we are to relate to the world around us or to live privately or publically. are "you" kidding? are you "ashamed"? mnp | ||
| lampost (lampost) Junior Member Username: lampost Post Number: 33 Registered: 9-2005 Posted From: 164.111.28.192 |
whats up M&P. Havent seen you in awhile. Thot you fell out somewhere..:-) Yeah this is a real problem. It turns my stomach and makes me sick when i think about it. Having two boys myself and nephews it really really concerns me. Its as i stated before in a previous post, we never really truly know who is into what these days. One can have an affair on their spouse without ever leaving their living room (or private office). I get mad because i feel helpless. I mean this is what we are competing with. If you asked the natural man to come up out of that strip club to go to a prayer meeting, the natural response would be...go somewhere! There would definatly need to be a lot of prayer and fasting to get delivered. What about the music videos these days? They leave nothing to the imagination, not to mention the tv commericials. Its hard to find men of integrity. Men who will live righteous even if no one is watching. If, God forbid, something would happen where i was single again, i dont think i would get remarried. I was "lucky" (if i believed in luck) this time, but does lightening strike the same place twice? Even men who are active on church boards fall into this pit alll the time. Its very hard for us women to compete with whats out there in the airbrushed, perfect lighted media. I have met many a woman that would never think that their husbands would be into that stuff and were, sadly to say, proven wrong. As far as asking him, it sounds like you are being led to do it, so go for it. I am not brave enough to and its too touchy a subject. I have only heard 3 pastors in my life even broach the subject from the pulpit and one of them was a tv minister. | ||
| lampost (lampost) Junior Member Username: lampost Post Number: 35 Registered: 9-2005 Posted From: 164.111.28.192 |
Have you ever noticed the phenomenon of when someone points out a sin or accuses someone else of doing it then the enemy seems to come up against them with that same temptation that involves that same sin? I feel like i just spoke in a circle  But really, i have seen it of course in the Jim Baker deal, but also with many friends. I had a group of friends that did this awesome human video out of chicago. And they traveled and did it in many churches. It was so awesome. It depicted drugs, prostitutes, pimps and all the other "usual" sins and then it had Jesus in the center and in the end they all ran to Him and bowed their knee. But after a year or so, do you know that every single one of those folks save one, that i know of, were involved in the very sins they were depicting? So what is the answer? I know all about the twigs and logs in the eyes and dont judge lest ye be judged and all that, but when do we not do that but yet still rebuke someone who is in error? How do we point out someone elses sin or error without having 4 fingers pointing back at us? Please note: this an actual question, not a hypothetical. | ||
| wingsaglow (wingsaglow) Intermediate Member Username: wingsaglow Post Number: 362 Registered: 12-2004 Posted From: 168.103.113.15 |
My thoughts are that we all are born in sin, and to fail is human, but to ask forgiveness of our Father in Heaven is to then pick up our coat and walk again in the light. There are many temptations in life to draw us in, but to take a stand against sin is to then have full control over your walk, and life. To me that is so sad to have so many gifts from blessing others destroyed by the same sins. I would however pray that now God can use those people even more, because now they can relate to what they were acting before, and now do it from a whole new perspective, because they now lived the same life that they acted out before. Many times people will be tested and go through differant things in their lives, and always asking God why me? When God say yes you. Now you have been put through the fire you can now relate to the topics that you played just a part in, and now you can reach the lost from your very own experiounce. This would be my prayers for those people that God will bring them each back stronger, and with a whole new flavor that will win millions for Christ. That if they can make it and come back out of sin. Then there is hope now for others to see the new actors shining example. Blessings Wingsy | ||
| hope_faith_and_love (hope_faith_and_love) Member Username: hope_faith_and_love Post Number: 86 Registered: 9-2005 Posted From: 69.228.41.221 |
mortar, I do not think I wrote Carman that the anti-Christ would be a woman as you claim. What I do recall writing is that I had joked with my mother once a long time ago that the anti-Christ must be a woman because so many women are responsible for politically causing America to go against God. A woman was instrumental in having prayer taken out of schools. Then there is the political stronghold of women's rights for abortions. Women are also responsible for supporting many other causes that have brought America down. At the time, to read hannah's posts were so shocking to me. You are bad, but I honestly think anyone, except those who really want to harm Carman at all cost, will recognize all your posts are you trying to publically scourge Carman before an audience. Your posts are always so mentally violating and exhausting to read. You are the one who seems to have a mind that goes in search for and harbors thoughts so wicked and immoral just to castigate Carman with. This is what I meant by having a criminal mind. Only those who want to hurt Carman could believe anything you write. You seem to be attracted to the most vile things. Why is that? There is a particular kind of mental disorder you display and others have as well, and that is why I think you are other posters, but it could be there are more like you. You are drawn to the truly morally depraved in order to get angry and then you want to turn this anger on Carman and punish him. This is how your mind appears to work. | ||
| mortar_n_pestle (mortar_n_pestle) Member Username: mortar_n_pestle Post Number: 84 Registered: 10-2005 Posted From: 72.130.224.250 |
hey lampost i couldn't sleep tonight for a professional reason that i had to take care of earlier than i thought, so i checked in and saw your post. i don't know if you are trying to say without being direct, that you think i am pointing a finger at someone who may have used or is using pornography with the same sin in my life. no. i loathe pornography. we do not have the channels that provide soft porn or any kind of porn and we have strong Christian filters on the two home computers. we have complained in writing to the public library, and don't have any catalogs with risque things in them or even secular magazines. we have chosen, i have chosen, to never watch ellen, will and grace and csi or other shows that have deeply wrong or culturally changing content. i don't feel i am missing anything and i am not an unpolished frump or inactive type. i did have the thought that i might get attacked somehow spiritually, for even bringing this up and i have prayed and two of my buds have prayed already. i pray every time i pass a strip club and stretch out my hand and cry out for it to be shut down. i have seen prayers be answered. we are "public complainers on purpose" popular or not. any barnes or borders or any store that sells books of spells or other things we speak directly to the manager and write letters. we are activists with a positive and firm style really every where we go. we happily boycott and write to sponsors and wal-mart and all of that. we make the form respectful and professional and make sure that the points make sense to the issue. when i travel i always complain about the porn and block the channels. its an exciting way of life and it bears good fruit usually. two weeks ago a woman and her friend that we were talking to, rented Mr and Mrs smith and i ended up, upping the anty to pay her 10 then 20 then she settled on 30 dollars, to never watch it. and i baked her some cookies to go with the check to encourage her in a way she will always remember. great way to spend money on creating a standard and increasing awareness. i have seen pornography and its very degrading and repulsive and it feels very wicked. how grieved the Lord must be when souls are drinking it in and physically involving themselves and truly committing what JESUS CALLED ADULTRY. tonight we watched LOST because it won a family tv award recently. well its very creative and and done with and interesting writing style, but its not kid friendly. it is way to bloody and violent and has things like a child being forced to shoot an old man and the lead actress who was a missionary for a very brief time, deep french kissed the "married in real life" doctor character. i closed my eyes and was really bummed. i might ask carman, but i made the challenge to the people who think he would never do such a thing and because i really don't think he would answer honestly. the pre-nup idea is a great one though. he should be asked and he should answer. its a relevant and contemporary question to ask someone in his position. if he were to have contempt for this perspective that would reveal something wouldn't it? were you addressing that four fingers statement to me or did it just sort of seem that way? its really funny i am so anointed right now that i am not even sleepy. the Lord is doing something besides this i am sure because i should be in la la land and i am wide awake. guess its my vitamins or the Holy Spirit. your commentary on having to compete with unrealistic imaging and the unwholesome 'rush' of many things depicted in porn is right on. it is really a battle that should never have happened. its good that many churches are finally getting more real and more open about it with support groups and men's meeting and accountability things. there is a church that started a website called something like xxxchristianporn and it is a creative method to bring in people and minister the truth about porn, prayer and deliverance. at their huge, contemporary church they have something also called porn sunday. its radical and it is uncompromising at the same time. they get people down to the altar and in loving accountability and they put out billboards and have a painted new mini van or something with cool graphics all over it with the xxx(ministry)site advertised. yes music videos are really raunchy and alluring. i listen to a lot of different styles of music, but not anything that is immoral and music videos are so racy and gross that its not worth it. no church makes me do it, i just can't, it feels bad and it feels like i am hurting the Lord. never been to a strip club, have friends that got caught up in it. i have never purchased porn on line and never will. i whole heartedly believe that people can be forgiven and get true deliverance and be really helped with accountability or even therapy. safe guards have to be put in place and most people have to talk about it responsibly so that it doesn't stay a dark and dirty secret. its a false connection and powerful like a drug in the brain and it is supernaturally enhanced and bombarded. God gave us the tools and the power and the principles to overcome and they are very real and strong. a lot of people don't think its wrong anymore. they think its normal, funny or good. they indulge like its booze or something and its addictive and pernicious. you really have to get prayer and forgive and ask for a new heart and reject the images as inferior not superior. the hurt and the emptiness it causes and the grossness of it makes you want to despair, but because we know Jesus we have options and help. i guess thats all for now. our fax is receiving and i can take care of something and try to sleep a little longer. i might stay up and pray because i am so wide awake and anointed. its unusual and its cool. i have carefully covered the log and sawdust speck with the Lord before i tell hfl or someone else what i see or discern. its a cognizant issue with me. not everyone who rebukes or is speaking to a just cause is a hypocrite. i realize that i answer to God and that He is not just speaking to me or showing me something, He is watching me too. were you aiming those comments at me? you are welcome to, its a 'free' board and i can take it. but if you were it seemed veiled and not direct. maybe you weren't. either way hope you are still having fun with your Christmas presents. our smallest tree is still up with some gifts under it in the media room. it all came down in happy lazy stages. this was one of the best Christmas' ever, thank You Lord! we should all take a stand about porn, in prayer, in conversation, in our homes and with actions that are balanced and that please the Lord. mnp up and anointed | ||
| lampost (lampost) Junior Member Username: lampost Post Number: 36 Registered: 9-2005 Posted From: 164.111.20.211 |
Mortar, Whats up. My shift is getting ready to end here, so just a quick note till next time, but real quick to make it clear. I in no way meant to say that i thought you were a part of anything like that and no, i dont think you are accusing anyone of anything. I am just commenting in general about the things we face as christians. I have and my husband has noticed that when we talk to people about sins they may be committing it just seems like we are attacked in that exact same area and i was wondering if anyone else had experienced that. And i definatley think women need to get these answers from their prospective husbands before marriage. I think that is one area that pre marital counseling should cover. Sorry if i sounded like that. | ||
| ashamed (ashamed) Intermediate Member Username: ashamed Post Number: 359 Registered: 5-2005 Posted From: 66.79.85.117 |
M&p, I Totally agree with you on porn, but i DO not think even for one minute that Carman is / would be ever into that or even thought of viewing that , thats why i said what i said in my other post, anyway i dont wanna post here to much so Gbu | ||
| mortar_n_pestle (mortar_n_pestle) Member Username: mortar_n_pestle Post Number: 88 Registered: 10-2005 Posted From: 72.130.224.250 |
God clouds and the ozone and principalities and powers and angels (more of them than the other) birds, jets and no doubt some kites and parasailors somewhere.  thank you for the clarification. i liked your posts and i agree with, really everything. have a good day at work and an even better evening at home where you can sing as loud as you want unto the Lord of Hosts! the wife is not responsible for the husbands actions and pornography is an avoidable lust, a beatable and forgivable addiction and destructive tool of the enemy. we have so much unending hope in Him and the Blood of the Lamb overcomes and cleanses. the husband has the solem and learnable, do-able, anointed gift and duty to love his wife as Christ loved the church and gave Himself for her. those who do that, have all - kinds - of blessings and anointings and a happy, healthy and covered, secure wife. mnp | ||
| mortar_n_pestle (mortar_n_pestle) Member Username: mortar_n_pestle Post Number: 89 Registered: 10-2005 Posted From: 72.130.224.250 |
got ya ashamed. you and i think differently about carman on this matter. that's why he can answer the questions. and i hope his wife gets that pre-nup. i still feel so weird about him getting married on elvis' birthday in vegas and paying rose off and all of that which i won't go into over and over again. it really put created a platform of mistrust and a reality check. i do wonder if he used ministry monies to eat in fine dining restuaruants, pay stylists, \and fly first class to brazil quite a few times and do things that we might think of him as doing and that is the way he might want to keep it. he doesn't answer straight questions without a publisist either and that is a red flag for me as a Christian. who knows, maybe he will come forward with no manipulations and be a good and humble fella and then you and i will be on the same page in the book of life on earth,with new name written down in Glory! God bless you too and hope your weekend is a good one. mnp | ||
| no_no New member Username: no_no Post Number: 16 Registered: 12-2006 Posted From: 72.130.100.144 |
Q:IS FORNICATION, THE ONLY REASON YOU COULD DIVORCE? A: Yes, but we are limited in our understanding of the word fornication. It comes from the Greek word pornias, where we get the word Porno used in Pornography. Meaning all ungodly acts or works of the flesh. Which would include someone who is addicted to Pornography, physical abuse, inhuman treatment or if the spouse just leaves you. The scripture says let the unbeliever leave. The only way we know someone is a believer is by what they do, since only God can see our heart. If somebody takes off on you, it's a pretty good sign they aren't believing much. And I think that refusing to go to Disneyland is grounds too, although I may have to recheck that one....but it does seem a bit unfair! Q:When did your obsession with Kroger first begin? A: It started with just one snort of a sugar cookie, developed into an addiction to Frozen Pizzas then I moved into the hard core stuff like Eskimo pies...I am currently into a 12 step program...the problem is it only take 10 steps to get the candy aisle. So Carman how do you know the term "hardcore" if you are pure and innocent? How do "we" know what is in "your" heart? By who your role-models are and what you watch on TV without a conscience objection, and which movie "stars" you wish you could or do emulate. How can you like the Bond films as some of your detractors, some here call them destroyers,or fashion yourself after someone as addictive-pornea oriented as Elvis and we can't know what's in a(your) heart? Your words show your heart. Private-public. Incest (emotional also) is in the same group as those sins of pornea and gluttony is the same sin as adultery, as rebellion is the sin of witchraft and stubborness idolatry. Being addicted to food (or anything) isn't funny. Disney? Aren't you a little too old for that chippy? Isn't Disney promoting the Red Hot Chili Peppers and their music at their park on a new ride? Do you support that? Doesn't Disney teach kids from the 1950's forward, to accept, practice and understand and be entertained by witchcraft and sorcery? So, when you divorced your wife, who left her husband who was in ministry for you and lived with your mom, was it because of pornea? Was the divorce and previously attempted secret annulment, following the secret marriage in Vegas, (the Capital of Pornea) a mistake or an error and the marriage covenant didn't matter? Was she unbelieving? Was she in another covenant and was still in it in God's eyes when she entered in to your first marriage covenant? Do you feel that you are mimicking Elvis in your thought life and life style? Was he involved in pornea? Are you going to watch the new film coming out about him that is more true to life and believe it? No one has said that to you before right lunchbox!? For your fans and cultish followers who are indeed using your life and ministry, I have not subjected myself to reading any of your posts. Others have said similar things over the years of posts, but assuredly I am being fully frank. What are you trying to 'make' us think by these questions? Is that mind control or sorcery pal? Why aren't you "confessing" that you have had a problem with porno, if you have instead of throwing out terms to create a smoke screen perhaps? If you knew someone was in sin, should you confront that sin, would you be sacrificial and godly and tell them if they would abandon you anyways? Do you 'know' or practice the 12 Steps? I still love your music ministry, just not your manipulation. | ||
| no_no New member Username: no_no Post Number: 17 Registered: 12-2006 Posted From: 72.130.100.144 |
Prognosticating briefly, let me assure anyone who has their dander up in the demonic or carnality as my IP is similar to the one above, you are going to make a fool of yourself. However, you enjoy the passion of anger and accusation and if I didn't love God, then go for it wholeheartedly. He would not receive honor or joy from the angst and the inaccuracy and especially not the demonic. I do not live in Hawaii, do not and never have owned property there and have never met or even spoken to MortalNPestle. I have no associates, relatives or friends on this particular blog. My husband is from Long Beach CA and before that we lived in West Hollywood. So, whatever the conjectures are, you will possibly come close if not directly lying against the Holy Spirit at the worst, if you attempt to accuse the IP above mine here tonight, (which changes constantly by the way), as being the same zone-location as ours. Many of you, despite the manner in which you sound like you are christian are in the sin of Jezebell and are supporting things that are not fragrant to, in order with, or rightly applied scripture and are not approved by God. You, (some of you) take an exact opposite stand to the Holy Spirit and call it God. You use a tactic of loading up your content with scripture, spiritual sounding rebukes that are not based in Christ and express for selfish control reasons, selective, preferred "love". That is not the love we are called to in the Bible. "Love" for the women who have the most ill or out of reality and out of order relationship to or about Carman. However, you are not loving the contributors who love God and love more truth and the real tenants of being a christian. Enabling someone is not a good or godly thing to do. Rather than admiring those or fellowshipping and respecting those contributors who are truly walking in the Spirit or base their comments on facts, you are boosting imaginations and attempting to make yourselves sound and feel so much more spiritual and under God than you are in any regards. Women with emotional illness are supporting-controlling others and commending them for being righteous,when they are not. Black is supporting black and liars are supporting liars and doing it in a way that sounds like they-it are richly christian. Real prophets speak and the false ones on this blog try to overide and manipulate. Perhaps a "spiritual MRI or 64 Slice" would help. 'Holy Spirit', Search me and try me, and show me if there be any wicked way within me. Trusting someone like Charles from last years posts, is more sound than trusting Wingsaglow or those women who pretense that God has selected them and connected them to Carman. That is Jezebell spirituality by the way and delusional. Being able to speak christianeese and type out scripture or to say I love you and you are wonderful to a commerade stalker in a delusion, does not demonstrate good fruit or prove that they are in the Spirit. Liars like liars and false authorities-Jezebell false positions or those with a spirituality of witchcraft, will fellowship with the same and be at conflict with more truthful, more genuinely pure souls. Deep calls unto deep. Have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkenss. Your temperment and your alliances show who you are in spirit and pyschology. Never admitting to any fault or manipulation of others by overly emphasizing your faults, both are ungodly. Read Galatians Chapter 5 and apply to yourselves. | ||
| hope_faith_and_love Intermediate Member Username: hope_faith_and_love Post Number: 431 Registered: 9-2005 Posted From: 72.129.39.65 |
no no, I have to say something here and now, because the Holy Spirit will not let your two posts go ignored. In the coming months the Holy Spirit wants your words to be read over and over as an example of those who are false. You by your every accusation and word have been found guilty! You are going to be infamous! Your ways will be known to all. What you have written is not to fade into what others have posted.... You're posts is the culmination of all those posts like yours! Hear now what the Holy Spirit says. You are going to reap what you have sown! You believe what you do is love, then you shall receive the same measure. For they will know that the Lord is God, who is the same yesterday, today and forever! | ||
| alexisd New member Username: alexisd Post Number: 10 Registered: 1-2007 Posted From: 70.97.46.164 |
*ahem* I have no problem asking Carman this question...too easy, give me something more challenging to do. On the other hand...here you are concerning yourself with Carman's sins...why not focus on your own? Oh...and the porn article is actually right on. | ||
| alexisd New member Username: alexisd Post Number: 11 Registered: 1-2007 Posted From: 70.97.46.164 |
Is Carman on trial here? I'm pretty sure if Jesus Himself came strolling through the streets right now, you would do the same to Him. Let's all throw stones, it feels good huh? MMMMM. Satan loves to pick on people too, and judge, and gossip. God...this really makes me want to scream Problem is..Carman's just a man, yet you all treat him like a God on trial Lame... | ||
| julia Intermediate Member Username: julia Post Number: 186 Registered: 9-2005 Posted From: 61.68.109.161 |
Even Jezabel gets forgiven when she repents and then she is not eaten by dogs and won't even suffer terrible consequeces. She thinks about sex and she indulges her fantasies (even if she doesn't act on it), and it is okay for her and she eats food sacrificed to idols (her gratification of self), and desires things not permitted in the kingdom. She takes udeniable control, where she is and uses the Spirit of God to do so for self and not for the benefit of the kingdom. I suffer from pride sometimes, that is my sin, and a bad one at that! Ohh I have lust sometimes, but that is not in my heart, but in my flesh. Very bad form of pride is one that comes under the guise of false humility and quoting scripture for self benefit (even if it not be obvious to the actor at the time), it was the same sin the Israelites had when they crucified Jesus and upon observation, I have come to the conclusion this stems primarily from jealousy and also cowardice (unbelief in general). It is also the sin Satan had, as we see he tries to tempt Jesus in the wilderness through His pride. And he is also thrown out of heaven for it. He is an angel, we however are human and worth more to Jesus, we are given the opportunity to repent. Praize God 4 dat!!!! Whoooooohooooooo!!!!! Now that is good news!!!!! He can make me clean as the driven snow, though I be red with dirt. | ||
| grace2u Advanced Member Username: grace2u Post Number: 583 Registered: 3-2005 Posted From: 70.178.195.217 |
"So No No how do you know the term "hardcore" if you are pure and innocent?" | ||
| grace2u Advanced Member Username: grace2u Post Number: 584 Registered: 3-2005 Posted From: 70.178.195.217 |
Just curious. |
