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     secure (secure) Junior Member Username: secure Post Number: 34 Registered: 12-2005 Posted From: 151.199.86.9 |
I have notice that you two like to argue or insult or chat or whatever it is you do and I think that it be good if you keep it on one post instead of interupting all the other post. So this is for you.  | ||
| arron (arron) Senior Member Username: arron Post Number: 1019 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 68.119.32.209 |
no i will not argue with not or any one else and please take this off i do not want my name associated in any way with this thread. if necessary i will notify fact net to have it removed. | ||
| john_parker (john_parker) Intermediate Member Username: john_parker Post Number: 264 Registered: 11-2005 Posted From: 207.200.116.138 |
arron cannot keep it to just the one thread you hapened to disagree with him. arron likes to go around the entire web site speading slander and lies about other posters he does not like on strings that have little or nothing to do with the silly wars he likes to start So sorry, arron would never follow such a request PEACE | ||
| secure (secure) Junior Member Username: secure Post Number: 35 Registered: 12-2005 Posted From: 151.199.86.9 |
I have no ability to change it but arron do what you must. But think of all the discussions you and not have interupted and taken way off topic because you all debate whether you or not is saved. One topic about tongues became just that and so at the is this a cult topic and so forth and so on. True they may be dead threads but come on poeple to come back and read some of it. | ||
| john_parker (john_parker) Intermediate Member Username: john_parker Post Number: 270 Registered: 11-2005 Posted From: 207.200.116.138 |
arron says, you have to be Jewish and believe Jesus was a Jew to get saved. If you dare disagree with him, he says you are an un-saved anti-Semite Jew hater, right arron? arron, PLEASE READ John 3:15-16 And stop your channeling and chanter chatter you falsely call tongues PEACE | ||
| arron (arron) Senior Member Username: arron Post Number: 1026 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 68.119.32.209 |
you are lying parker prove to me where i said you had to be jewish to be saved where is it that i said that. | ||
| john_parker (john_parker) Intermediate Member Username: john_parker Post Number: 273 Registered: 11-2005 Posted From: 207.200.116.138 |
Ok, maybe I was stretching it a bit PEACE | ||
| arron (arron) Senior Member Username: arron Post Number: 1028 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 68.119.32.209 |
a bit.. i still want to know where i said what you say i said. | ||
| john_parker (john_parker) Intermediate Member Username: john_parker Post Number: 296 Registered: 11-2005 Posted From: 207.200.116.138 |
I was just teasing you arron I had a little laugh at your expence. I think the babble-babblers are funny. But enough is enough, you are getting ALL GAS faced about it and it isnt so funny anymore Just let it go, ok? I am PEACE | ||
| cs1 (cs1) New member Username: cs1 Post Number: 14 Registered: 10-2005 Posted From: 138.163.0.43 |
I find it funny that you both would attack someone like this you john_parker insult all the time. and when asked to give scripture to support you point of veiw.... insult is all I see now you both gang up on Arron LOL Secure I don't see the same standard set for Brother john He openly sayes that he likes teasing I think leting it go is a very good I. DE  after Brother john_ apolgie. | ||
| arron (arron) Senior Member Username: arron Post Number: 1269 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 68.119.204.41 |
thanks cs1. mr parker has somewhat apologised. i do stand for what i believe in whole haeartedly. | ||
| cs1 (cs1) New member Username: cs1 Post Number: 16 Registered: 10-2005 Posted From: 138.163.0.42 |
Brother arron then stand !!! use the word of God everytime Jesus is Lord the word of God has no Misstakes ok bring that Know that without Love tongues is nothing what a lot of people have seen is Tongues without LOVE and now the beuiful expirance of the Holy Spirit suffers because of NO LOVE just show. | ||
| secure (secure) Member Username: secure Post Number: 53 Registered: 1-2006 Posted From: 71.254.44.91 |
Amen!!! Word is God is what stands not what we say. | ||
| cs1 (cs1) New member Username: cs1 Post Number: 19 Registered: 10-2005 Posted From: 138.163.0.42 |
amen secure but what we say we will give account for... every word | ||
| secure (secure) Member Username: secure Post Number: 54 Registered: 1-2006 Posted From: 71.254.44.91 |
Tis true. But remember this. Romans 8:1-2 1 There is therefore now no condemnation to them that are in Christ Jesus. 2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus made me free from the law of sin and of death. | ||
| cs1 (cs1) Junior Member Username: cs1 Post Number: 38 Registered: 10-2005 Posted From: 138.163.0.41 |
Gal 5:13 NLT For you have been called to live in freedom-not freedom to satisfy your sinful nature, but freedom to serve one another in love. KJV For, brethren, ye have been called unto liberty; only [use] not liberty for an occasion to the flesh, but by love serve one another. Rom 8:1-2 is not a blank check to sin. Jesus said in Matt12:35-37 35 A good man out of the good treasure of the heart bringeth forth good things: and an evil man out of the evil treasure bringeth forth evil things. Mat 12:36 But I say unto you, That every idle word that men shall speak, they shall give account thereof in the day of judgment. Mat 12:37 For by thy words thou shalt be justified, and by thy words thou shalt be condemned. so we do not have condemnation that is right but we will give an account for the deeds done in the flesh and of what we have said. | ||
| secure (secure) Member Username: secure Post Number: 55 Registered: 1-2006 Posted From: 71.254.44.91 |
Romans 9:16-23 16 So then it is not of him that willeth, nor of him that runneth, but of God that hath mercy. 17 For the scripture saith unto Pharaoh, For this very purpose did I raise thee up, that I might show in thee my power, and that my name might be published abroad in all the earth. 18 So then he hath mercy on whom he will, and whom he will be hardeneth. 19 Thou wilt say then unto me, Why doth he still find fault? For who withstandeth his will? 20 Nay but, O man, who art thou that repliest against God? Shall the thing formed say to him that formed it, Why didst thou make me thus? 21 Or hath not the potter a right over the clay, from the same lump to make one part a vessel unto honor, and another unto dishonor? 22 What if God, willing to show his wrath, and to make his power known, endured with much longsuffering vessels of wrath fitted unto destruction: 23 and that he might make known the riches of his glory upon vessels of mercy, which he afore prepared unto glory, By no means I am not saying we are not responsible for our action. But God shows mercy. | ||
| cs1 (cs1) Junior Member Username: cs1 Post Number: 39 Registered: 10-2005 Posted From: 138.162.0.38 |
yes He does amen | ||
| godchild (godchild) Senior Member Username: godchild Post Number: 2199 Registered: 1-2005 Posted From: 4.255.41.135 |
arron, Don't be offended by john p. He lost his credibility long ago and only attacks you to get his kicks. He lies when he says he is only joking. His words are totally intentional and you should ignore him. You don't have to defend yourself to anyone, especially someone like this. | ||
| arron Senior Member Username: arron Post Number: 2350 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 68.119.37.10 |
you know i had forgotten about this post till i saw it again. well mr p i am still going on. sweet as ever. goodlooking as ever nice as ever humble as ever darling as ever and besides that an all around good boy. i eat cron bread and butter milk and pinto beans and corn bread and hot pepper. umm good, just an oldfashioned boy | ||
| arron Senior Member Username: arron Post Number: 2351 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 68.119.37.10 |
oh yes i forgot to mention... and fresh tomatoes out of the garden with hot corn bread, along with corn bread and butter oh dont get me started. as you can tell i like ( love ) corn bread | ||
| secure Member Username: secure Post Number: 82 Registered: 1-2006 Posted From: 72.66.228.9 |
Did you ever figure out who secure was arron and godchild? | ||
| arron Senior Member Username: arron Post Number: 2354 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 68.119.37.10 |
no i never tried do you know who YOU are? | ||
| secure Member Username: secure Post Number: 83 Registered: 1-2006 Posted From: 72.66.228.9 |
who is the only one that did not get caught in this discussion???? Yes I know who I am but i go by another screen name. And if you know you might be mad at me. But try and guess please arron. | ||
| arron Senior Member Username: arron Post Number: 2367 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 68.119.37.10 |
you are NOT right? | ||
| secure Member Username: secure Post Number: 84 Registered: 1-2006 Posted From: 72.66.224.82 |
I am turtle. Not kidding. I will post as turtle tomorrow. Still am i not right. I really wanted to tell you but I hope that you all would of stayed on one board to work out our argument but it did not work. | ||
| turtle Senior Member Username: turtle Post Number: 1286 Registered: 9-2005 Posted From: 72.66.224.82 |
I figure you wouldnt' believe so I decide what else but to put it here.I am secure. Now dont' be mad. I just wanted the spam to stop. where did i go for so long I have been working on creating a site. I am still in the process of working out the bugs. Mainly bible study and things like that. | ||
| arron Senior Member Username: arron Post Number: 2374 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 68.119.37.10 |
turtle.. so youve changed your name? or add on the net. i am so sorry you feel the way you do. as far as i know not does not post any more. i am rela sorry you have changed. i saw some of your posts and felt you were getting a little away from what you said you believed in prior to this. | ||
| arron Senior Member Username: arron Post Number: 2377 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 68.119.37.10 |
and secure/turtle/ who ever you are you decieved us or me? i do pray you have not changed from being pentecostal (if you were ever pentecostal) you acted as if you were. now however i find that you did something that decieved me. i know i dont know much, i have been wrongfully accused of being a bible scholor which i am not. i do read my bible (kjv) and i stand for what i believe. if i have some how offended you by keeping a conversation going well what about you? you did as i did you kept things going too. i knew you had changed by reading some posts i dont know where they are or what you said but the idea formed in my mind then that you were changeing or had already changed. i am not a prophet i dont have the ability to read someones mind so i didnt know for sure just a feeling. we had some good ( i thought )coversations. wish they could continue but i dont suppose they will. be good i am praying for you. remember me | ||
| turtle Senior Member Username: turtle Post Number: 1288 Registered: 9-2005 Posted From: 72.66.224.82 |
Arron, I am still turtle, I believe in God I believe that Jesus is the Son of God came in the flesh and dwelt among men. I believe the Holy Spirit is the third person of the Trinity. Arron I did not purposely deceive you. But pushing Not off the board what did it solve. It is like alot of these other people what does it solve. You asked if I am still pentecostal. Yes and no. I believe in the Baptism of the Holy Ghost what I do not agree with is all the emotionalism I have been seeing and sin in the church. Arron would you humor me and look at this page and tell me if you agree with it or not. http://www.geocities.com/turtle30c@verizon.net/turtle30cpage.html?1129331261078 No I am not preaching once waved always saved but assurance of salvation. But read it I am sure has a baptist you have seen it. If not take a look around. Problem is this some people let there emotions run their faith. I do not that you and I do on a deeper since. But people dont' understand why we get so excited. It is like if I was a football fan i would shout. So If I am a Jesus fan why can't I shout. You shout pretty good on these boards arron. But for awhile all you did is shout Praise the Lord and nothing is wrong with it but I began to wonder if you had any meat there and so did others I think. When I left as turtle and became secure you had to stand on the word alone in your post. or you would sink. Turtle who is my true nature realized people needed to see that side of the pentecostal. Remember I got into some heavy debates on tongues on these boards. And so people only seen me as a tongue aggravator and not having a foundation of Christ. That what people need to see arron. People need to see christ not our doctrine. So yes I still speak in tongues and yes I still shout but what I do not do anymore is argue over tongues but try and find the things that wouldn't divide diffence in denominations. Turtle will always be a friend arron if you want me to be. christina(turtle) | ||
| arron Senior Member Username: arron Post Number: 2385 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 68.119.37.10 |
i know of no perfect church. there is probaly sin in all of them of some sort. i have always stood on the WORD OF GOD and made that my main stay. sure i shout sure i speak in tongues sure i believe in the rapture sure i believe that JESUS IS coming again. there is nothing wrong with defending our faith. i do not have arguments with people who simply discuss issues but i will and do defend my faith. i do not believe in once saved always saved either. emotionlisium has alwaays been in the pentecostal church and always will be. i dont know of peopel in our church, although they have been some there who let their emotions run wild while they sin and keep going. some will never see the side of pentecostals as being quite or as being not saying something when defending their faith, you find that in all churches if you have found a perfect one please let me know i want to check it out. ( i would not come to it as i would be afraid i would make it not peerfect anymore ). i do try to make sure that people know i am founded on JESUS CHRIST my LORD AND SAVIOR. i do not try to find what will divide churches or denomanations. i am assured of my salvation by my faith IN THE BLOOD OF JESUS SHED FROM THE FOUNDATION OF THE WORLD FOR my SINS. HE IS my ROCK . i am save soley by faith in JESUS CHRIST. | ||
| arron Senior Member Username: arron Post Number: 2387 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 68.119.37.10 |
oh and i do have the meat of THE WORD. i dine on it very often. i drink the mild and i eat the meat. i do not make any doctrien my main stay for JESUS is my MAIN STAY . i will adnit that i have gotten real hard on some people while defending my faith but if you will look you will find i was only defending my faith against what they were saying about my faith or about me. if you were defending me you dont have to i do appreaciate if you did but i can defend my faith with GODS HELP.there is one or two on the threads that tell me i am not saved, or they imply that by saying if i believe ceritan doctrines i am wed to the antichrist. now do you defend your faith or not when this is said to you.? they of course deny they said it. and as far as not well he or she was just as rebellous as i was. i did not run him or her off they left of their own accord. for all i know they may be doing as you did posting as some one else, of course i dont know. i would never teach or say something that would devide a church or denomanation. i have had some ask me about certian things in their church but i would say go ask your pastor. then if they decicde to come ot our church i would tell them what i felt about it. but i will not and od not devide churches or den.either. and yes i have posted as some one else but that was long ago now. i dont do that any more. i have others who post on this comp. besides me. | ||
| turtle Senior Member Username: turtle Post Number: 1289 Registered: 9-2005 Posted From: 72.66.224.82 |
Arron, I almost believed your sincerity, except for one thing do you remember the post that i started and it had to do with what pentecostals believe in besides the Baptism of the Holy Spirit. Well you couldn't say you believed to much else in your very first statement. In fact you went on about the Baptism of the Holy Spirit but the thread was about what else we believed. Godchild picked up on what I was saying. But the conversation did not go as planned on explaining about our beliefs besides just the Baptism. I do defend my faith and what I believe but I know in my heart not just in my words what I believe. It is not all emotional but also biblical. Scriptural. My Faith is founded in God's word. It is not just about the Holy Ghost but about God great love and mercy for mankind. About God's judgment and righteousness, about how God dwelt and lived with man and How God teaches man to follow in his footsteps. How man continues to fail and God continuges to love us in our failures. How God cheers us on when we get things right. And how He is pleased when we follow Him. Do you agree or disagree arron. I don't doubt you agree but the thing is we get so caught up thinking we have it because we can shout the loudest because we can dance the prettiest, because we get blessed at the altar. Now the reason I asked about some doctrines that were being taught in my church is I have never heard some of what I taught before and the scriptures and the research that I was doing was not adding up with the pastors teaching. I know certain ones on this board are more scholarly then me. So I ask opinions. I get feed back. Feed back is good. Sometimes it confirms sometimes feedback is nothing. Do I take people at their word on here no I do research into things if they interest me. Arron I shared about my church because I know some care and will pray. Yes some are not christians that read my post but God knows my need and my heart. Who were you before arron before you were arron was it jason stone, ( just kidding) Simple fact is what caused you to change names where you gettting pushed around to much. Where you ashamed of something said. Or where you taking to much of a beating. I used the name secure for a reason to get a point across that I couldnt' as turtle. And I can see by your post I still can't. But one day i pray you get it. | ||
| arron Senior Member Username: arron Post Number: 2399 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 68.119.37.10 |
i had a different name but changed it to arron because i wanted to be where i could write to anything i desired , no i was not put off i was not pushed around too much. i do believe in all the other gifts some of which i have and some i dont. thank GOD for what i do have. | ||
| turtle Senior Member Username: turtle Post Number: 1292 Registered: 9-2005 Posted From: 72.66.224.82 |
Arron, What is the most important gift? I am curious I have never heard a pentecostal say. But coming from a Baptist church background first I now the answer. | ||
| arron Senior Member Username: arron Post Number: 2405 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 68.119.37.10 |
the most im[ortant gift of all is the gift of eternal life THROUGH JESUS in other words salvation is the most important gift. i cant think of a more important gift that this. as for as the baptisum of THE HOLY GHOST is concerned i think the most important gift is the gift of prophecy which ranks high far above tongues. | ||
| godchild Senior Member Username: godchild Post Number: 3501 Registered: 1-2005 Posted From: 64.28.54.47 |
Love is the greatest gift, and was the final commandment Jesus gave to us. We receive this gift from God and we are asked to give it to others in return. I hadn't noticed these posts until this morning. Turtle, you have grown in the Lord, I see. Arron, she is not trying to hurt you but to help you expand your testimony. I think it is fine, but many people see it as simple repitition. In my opinion, the fact that you don't back down is admirable. If you were telling your grandson about Jesus Christ, what would you say? I think this is what turtle is suggesting you do here. Please don't be offended. God bless you both. | ||
| arron Senior Member Username: arron Post Number: 2410 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 68.119.37.10 |
first of all i would tell my grand son that JESUS loves him. i would tell him that JESUS came to save the world. i would tell him to believe on JESUS and ask JESUS into his heart. then after that i would teach im the other things of GOD. i would feed him first on the milk and when he grew i wuld feed him with the meat of the WORD. | ||
| turtle Senior Member Username: turtle Post Number: 1293 Registered: 9-2005 Posted From: 72.66.224.82 |
yes love is the greatest gift. It is no wonder Paul talks of the figts in Chapter twelve of I Corinthians and then follows it with the gift of tongues before giving more instructions about the gift of how there should be order and no confusion. God love is old and new testament both. But often we don't look at the commandments in the old testament that way. All gifts God uses through us. It not ours to own but is God's to use through us. When we yield to God He works through us. Each gift tells of who God is and shares Who Christ is. This is why it edifies(builds up) the church. if you say you have a gift but it does not build anyone up but yourself then there is a problem. If it causes confusion there is a problem. All the gifts display God's love through each believer. Godchild, I think I just need a little reminding of the basics. Those are the most important things to share. If we get so caught up in everything else we loose out. Thank you for the encouragement Know God reminds us of what we need especially when we are seeking Him. | ||
| arron Senior Member Username: arron Post Number: 2413 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 68.119.37.10 |
i know that love is the greatest ...of "these" but i though you were speaking of the giofts we have after we are saved. yes i agree we should show love and i try to do that. all the gifts used in our church are for the edifiying of the people. if it does not help some one we do not accept it. no our church is not perfect we still have some who come in and try to exercise a gift (that they do not have) that does not edify. we as knowageable christians know the difference and do not recceive it. we have been taught the correct way to do the gifts and follow the way the bible lays down for us to do. the most important thing for us to do is share JESUS with the people for they may not know about the other things of GOD . then after they get saved we can show them the furteranve or the more excellent things of GOD. i am sorry for any trouble i have caused any of you both | ||
| godchild Senior Member Username: godchild Post Number: 3510 Registered: 1-2005 Posted From: 64.28.52.49 |
Oh arron, bless your heart. You have not been a bother at all. Don't you see, you have been one of few here who have expressed your love of Christ. There is no shame in anything you have said. People don't have to go out into the public and say, "I love you, I love you, you are wonderful." Any of those words can be faked. You have never denied Christ and your love for Him or His for you. You have always set a wonderful example. I can understand how you thought turtle was speaking about the gifts of the Holy Spirit that are listed together. turtle, I am so excited to see how you've grown. I hope I have too. The most valuable thing you stated is that the whole Bible is the story of God's love for us, made manifest in His Only Begotten Son. Even the fall in the beginning offers a promise to all that God is in control and has provides a way for us to return to Him as our Creator. arron, That was a wonderful start (your answer about speaking to your grandson). Now, assume everyone here has heard that Jesus loves us. Continue to tell them what you would tell your grandson next. How can we become closer to Him, to get to know Him better. How we can improve our lives and those around us. These are just examples. Okay, my brother? Lift your head high. You have received the victory. Don't let people down you. Think only of what God thinks of you. your sis in Christ, Vivian p.s. There was a problem with the cultbuster program yesterday but today it is fine, if you want to go there. Turtle, I think you would enjoy it. You two have much more in common with the administrator there than you know. You would be welcomed! www.cultbusters.com.au. | ||
| turtle Senior Member Username: turtle Post Number: 1294 Registered: 9-2005 Posted From: 72.66.224.82 |
Arron you proclaim Christ and that is what matters you share about who He is. We need to continue with the basics. Just like you teach your grandchild. It is so wonderful that you are teachng the primary basic to you grandchildren tha is an honor not all grandparents have the pleasure in doing.I pray you will continue to love Jesus. Just don't let the emotions rule your committement to Jesus. Peace turtle Thanks Godchild I will be checking it out. But you know I have less time for group boards with starting my own site. May God bless you and keep you always. | ||
| arron Senior Member Username: arron Post Number: 2493 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 68.119.37.10 |
i think this thread should be closed. not is not around any more (that i know of ) unles he is posting under a different name as one has done already. not and i had our differences as i do with others but that is over now so let it be. | ||
| turtle Senior Member Username: turtle Post Number: 1295 Registered: 9-2005 Posted From: 72.66.224.144 |
Arron I have no authority to close a thread. Sorry. But if factnet wishes to terminate it is okay by me. But arron what I hope you understand that I did not change identies to hurt you. And I am sorry if it hurt you. Hope to see you around someday. I don't know if i be posting much anymore because I am busy with my own site. | ||
| arron Senior Member Username: arron Post Number: 2903 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 24.241.6.69 |
to turtle/not/secure i am still pentecostal and have not changed my beliefs but would you write again? |
