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     john_parker (john_parker) Intermediate Member Username: john_parker Post Number: 243 Registered: 11-2005 Posted From: 207.200.116.138 |
Those that babble babble in FALSE tongues are simply babbling to Satan lucifer and the demons If you let him, Satan will come in and set-up shop   PEACE  | ||
| arron (arron) Advanced Member Username: arron Post Number: 965 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 68.119.32.209 |
it is not babble. it is a gift of THE HOLY SPIRIT | ||
| john_parker (john_parker) Intermediate Member Username: john_parker Post Number: 244 Registered: 11-2005 Posted From: 207.200.116.138 |
Babble-babble Mr. Gibbles (lol) you a babble-babbler Babble babble   LOL !!! !! PEACE | ||
| arron (arron) Advanced Member Username: arron Post Number: 980 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 68.119.32.209 |
GET SAVED MR PARKER PLEASE BEFORE THE JUDGEMENT , WHICH YOU DO NOT BELIEVE COMES ON YOU. | ||
| cindig (cindig) Member Username: cindig Post Number: 78 Registered: 12-2004 Posted From: 68.114.195.136 |
arron, what would make you think he wasnt' saved? | ||
| john_parker (john_parker) Intermediate Member Username: john_parker Post Number: 245 Registered: 11-2005 Posted From: 207.200.116.138 |
Arron 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, SO that whosoever babbleth in babble-babbling false tongues should not perish, but have everlasting life. See how nutty cults are? They hedge your entire salvation on their church-cult rules throwing GOD s word out the window You had better believe like they do or they will kill you (lol) just like that pack of witch hunters in Salem. They give Christians and Christianity a bad name playing GOD always going around judging folks to hell. PEACE | ||
| arron (arron) Senior Member Username: arron Post Number: 1006 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 68.119.32.209 |
one for how he speaks of JESUS we and i am not a kenmite. never have been never will be. he hates the jews with a passion . he is not saved if he can hate hews the way he does. | ||
| arron (arron) Senior Member Username: arron Post Number: 1009 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 68.119.32.209 |
be good not | ||
| john_parker (john_parker) Intermediate Member Username: john_parker Post Number: 250 Registered: 11-2005 Posted From: 207.200.116.138 |
What the heck is a kenmite? I never said I hated Jews? And what does your worship of Jews have to do with my Believing in Jesus Christ as my personal Lord and Savior? See how the Babble-babble cult trains their followrs to lie They say one has got to believe that there is another way to get saved besides believing upon Jesus Christ as Lord and savior PEACE | ||
| arron (arron) Senior Member Username: arron Post Number: 1012 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 68.119.32.209 |
mr parker... you do hate jews you also try to twist what people say and also say that they say things they did not. i am tired of argueing with you . you are for my part an unbeliever. you are not showing a christian attitude. i meant as i am sure you already know KENITES for you talk about them enough. you are afollower of a false doctrine and are hell bound . again i say you cant hate the jews and be a christian JESUS is a jew. also you quoted a wrong bible verse.. when you said. who soever speaks in babble babb;e tongues shall not perish. you should read the bible with understanding more. | ||
| john_parker (john_parker) Intermediate Member Username: john_parker Post Number: 251 Registered: 11-2005 Posted From: 207.200.116.138 |
Wrong verse? You mean Arron-babble 3:16 ? Babble-babble is not prayer, its well, Babble PEACE | ||
| arron (arron) Senior Member Username: arron Post Number: 1015 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 68.119.32.209 |
john 3:16 does not say whosoever speaks in babble babble false tongues... you are entirrely wrong by quoteing this verse that way. i did not say it that way the bible does not say it that way that is more of your insane talk | ||
| easeltine (easeltine) Senior Member Username: easeltine Post Number: 1008 Registered: 5-2005 Posted From: 64.136.27.225 |
John, I am going to get serious here: 1. You are correct that some Pentecostals/Charismatics and false faiths practice false tongues. Satan always produces a counterfeit gift and these people do need deliverance from evil spirits. Those demons need to be cast out of them through the blood of Jesus Christ. 2. Truly, I feel fear for your soul the way you mocked the Scriptures. Is this acceptable to your conscience to use John 3:16 in this manner? I really find you using the Scriptures in this manner disgusting, it grieves me to see a person using the Scriptures in this manner. 3. Arron doesn't believe that one needs to speak in tongues in order to be saved! Most Pentecostals do not believe that way! Assembly of God/Foursquare/Holiness Pentecostal/First Church of God in Christ all believe in salvation the way the Southern Baptist Denomination believes, (John 3:16,17, Romans 10:9, Rev. 3:20 etc.). See the Assembly of God and Foursquare websites if you don't believe me. For a Pentecostal, (except for UPC), speaking in tongues is the evidence of of an additional work of God called the Baptism of the Holy Spirit. They believe that the Baptism of the Holy Spirit is in addition to salvation, speaking in tongues as the evidence and base that claim upon the Scriptures Acts 2 - The Day of Pentecost, the Apostles receiving the Baptism of the Holy Spirit Acts 8 - The Samaritans receiving the Baptism of the Holy Spirit, Acts 10 - The Gentiles receiving the Baptism of the Holy Spirit, and Acts 19 - The Church of Ephesus receiving the Baptism of the Holy Spirit. The Lord Jesus Christ gives us the example of receiving the Baptism of the Holy Spirit when He was Water Baptized, and He was Baptized in the Holy Spirit, (like the other accounts in Acts), the Holy Spirit comes upon Him in the form of the dove. See every Gospel and that verifies what I am talking about. Erich P.S. Maybe you should look at more of Arron's posts before mocking him and mocking the Word of God? Cindig, I may disagree with you on many issues but you do not mock anyone nor use Scriptures in this manner. Would this usage of the Word of God not qualify one as a "fizzler"? | ||
| easeltine (easeltine) Senior Member Username: easeltine Post Number: 1009 Registered: 5-2005 Posted From: 64.136.27.225 |
Oh, I have read his other posts! He is a weirdo science fiction writer...that explains everything.   | ||
| john_parker (john_parker) Intermediate Member Username: john_parker Post Number: 258 Registered: 11-2005 Posted From: 207.200.116.138 |
Oh, I see You saying Jesus Christ was a babble-babbler too? I dare you to say that to His face when you see Him. (dont worry you will be dumb-struck) In fact, try doing your little fleshy-flesh babble as you appoach His thrown. I hope the thrown Cherub Slaps and knocks you silly I dont hate ole arron, just having a little fun with his flesh-chanting and babble-babble he calls holy PEACE | ||
| easeltine (easeltine) Senior Member Username: easeltine Post Number: 1010 Registered: 5-2005 Posted From: 64.136.27.225 |
John_Parker and Not, May the power of the Holy Spirit come upon both of you! I will play my David Crowder Pentecostal song this morning on the way to work just for both of you: I will dance I will sing to be mad for my King, Nothing else considering this passion in my soul, I will become even more undignified than this! Lay my pride by my side! I will become even more undignified than this! Though some may call it foolishness! | ||
| john_parker (john_parker) Intermediate Member Username: john_parker Post Number: 263 Registered: 11-2005 Posted From: 207.200.116.138 |
LOL !!!!! Jesse (the body) Ventura the professional wrestler, announcer, playactor and ex-governor of Minnesota says organized religion is for weak-minded people and I tend to agree with him on that point. But I still think he is a sell-out and a coward for leaving the country because he thinks America is going to be destroyed. I hope they deny him re-entry into the United States when things fall apart everywhere else. And they will because GOD has a way of turning the tables on things at the last moment. . Oh, and the Babble-babble is, well, just babble-babble gibberish by people playing church and thinking they are better and holier than everyone else God hates them more than un-believers and is (I feel) embarrassed by their ridiculous holier-then-thou behavior. Among many other weird strange beliefs to gain salvation the Pentecostal church I helped run wouldnt let the women cut their hair or allow the males to wear shorts? Glad I cut myself away from that babble-babbling bumbling bunch of weirdoes ! Babble-babble gabble sounds like turkey calls because the turkeys and hogs do come a running whenever someone babbles like that (lol) babble babble LOL !!!  PEACE Babble-babble ! | ||
| rachelengland (rachelengland) Senior Member Username: rachelengland Post Number: 1215 Registered: 5-2005 Posted From: 69.128.222.206 |
Not I agree christian musicians are no more than copy cats-someone asked me yesterday who is your favorite christian group-I said can't think of one I like-but your right about Amy Grant she was an original a cheesy secular singer but broke your heart with her christian soul searching-babble, babble amen John | ||
| ihavesinned (ihavesinned) Senior Member Username: ihavesinned Post Number: 1423 Registered: 9-2005 Posted From: 71.112.180.149 |
What about Stryper? | ||
| ihavesinned (ihavesinned) Senior Member Username: ihavesinned Post Number: 1424 Registered: 9-2005 Posted From: 71.112.180.149 |
Speaking in tongues is for real, check it out- http://216.131.88.117/tilton/ | ||
| john_parker (john_parker) Intermediate Member Username: john_parker Post Number: 271 Registered: 11-2005 Posted From: 207.200.116.138 |
For Real funny if it werent so darn sad and pittyfull PEACE | ||
| belong2jesus (belong2jesus) Intermediate Member Username: belong2jesus Post Number: 263 Registered: 12-2004 Posted From: 202.83.36.32 |
The only gift that didnot operate till Jesus ascended was the gift of tongues. The gift of tongues has more significance than most people think it does. Not all people have the gift of tongues, just as all people don't have the gift of healings. However, Jesus before ascending to heaven spoke of the kingdom of God to the disciples. He said all those who believe would speak in new tongues, and all those who believe would lay hands on the sick and they would recover. He called this the signs that would follow all them that believe. If a believer lays hands on a person and prays for them and if the person gets healed according to the Word of God, it is wrong to say that the person has the gift of healings. The gifts are severally given as the Spirit wills, the bible tells us. Not all have the gift of healing, not all have the gift of miracles, not all have the gift of prophecy, not all are apostles, nor do all have the gift of tongues, but all who are baptized in the Holy Ghost do have a "prayer tongue/prayer language". Paul instructs in various parts of the bible to pray in the spirit or pray in the Holy Ghost. The bible tells us in 1 Corinthians 14 that when we pray in tongues, we are praying in the spirit. I should say those who blapshemy the Holy Spirit like this are in grave danger. May be all this is a joke for some of you here. The bible aint a joke, and some of you will realize that sometime. The Holy Spirit is the most sensitive Person of the Deity, and if you blasphemy Him, the bible says it's an eternal sin. Heed to the warnings in the Word of God. As for those who think I am a Pentecostal, I need to let you know I come from a hindu background and I wouldn't take sides with any denominations. Because of His redeeming sacrifice, Sidharth | ||
| john_parker (john_parker) Intermediate Member Username: john_parker Post Number: 280 Registered: 11-2005 Posted From: 207.200.116.138 |
babble-babble (lol) LOL !!!!!! PEACE | ||
| arron (arron) Senior Member Username: arron Post Number: 1034 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 68.119.32.209 |
still saved and sanctified and filled with THE BLESSED HOLY GHOST, with the evidence of tongues. | ||
| belong2jesus (belong2jesus) Intermediate Member Username: belong2jesus Post Number: 264 Registered: 12-2004 Posted From: 202.83.38.241 |
Dear John, I really don't get it. If it's in the Bible, why do you make fun of it? Just because your denomination or church believes something contrary to another denomination, you make fun of them? Do you know you are making fun of the Holy Spirit, and not man? I've been to Pentecostal sects where a 'false tongues' was practiced. They speak gibberish and call it tongues. However, there is a genuine tongues, which is absolutely biblical. This is mainly given to Christians for praying in the will of God. The Spirit prays through the believer in accordance to the will of God, thus edifying the believer. Just because some people counterfeit money, will you stop using money. Think about it. Who is losing? Remember, there has to be real money, for there to be countefeit! You can sit your little denomination and play church, but God has no time to play church today and He never did. God isn't calling you to jump from one denomination to another. I've heard people say, "Oh, I moved from the Baptist faith to the Pentecostal faith and I'm now blessed.". I give them a sigh and say, "Brother, there's more to go". I never enourage people to go from one denomination to another. If you want the Word, go where the Word is preached. Don't settle for anything less than the pure Word. Praise God we have His Word today! Hallelujah! I believe in a blood-bought salvation and an experience that can change ones life upside down called the Holy Spirit baptism. What a person who is saved can do in 50 years, a person baptized in the Holy Ghost can do in one year, if he or she is yielded to the Spirit. I believe in Bible Pentacost! Oh but there's so much more dear people! So much more, the Spirit baptism is just the door to the greatness of God! Hope some of you , who have never saught the Lord for this experience, will. Yours in His truth, Sidharth | ||
| abiyah (abiyah) Junior Member Username: abiyah Post Number: 45 Registered: 9-2005 Posted From: 24.59.137.159 |
Now I must laugh at you I Corinthians13 ! LOL ! No really... how can you discern at teacher of God's Word WITHOUT first "testing their fruit" for yourself... I mean really ? ... Did NOT Christ instruct you to " Test their fruit" ? Do they or do they NOT teach God's Word ? Did you understand that instruction from our Lord, Christ Jesus ? What you have written in your above stated post here are outright lies, and well that is just not right,.... listen, A wise man NEVER speaks WITHOUT FIRST knowing all the facts... you did a google search ? Wait... And this is how you have concluded your opinion of a teacher of God's Word, who indeed teaches directly from The God's Word ? WOW ! You must be a teenager or a child, reason why I say this is because you think have spoken in such a childish manner. Grow up, and research for yourself..... get the facts, and THEN come tell us "your" own opinion,,,tell us what "you" think, come on it's easy... think for YOURSELF. But instead, you are telling us what someone else told you ? WOW ! Interesting, no doubt ! P.S. just a little friendly advise, you should really read I Cor. chapter 13 again.. and look up the meaning of that word "charity" which is so often used within that chapter.. then think.. what was Paul teaching there ? The word "charity" as it is utilized there means "love". Like Christian love. You know ? ... Christians should set an example, are you a Christian ? A real Christian is intelligent enough to think for themselves, a real christian allows The Holy Spirit to give them discernment of whether something or someone is good or evil, a real Christian is kind, gentle, never boastful, and indeed they really try very hard NOT to tell a LIE, or in no way would be a false witness [PROVERBS 6:16-19 - you should really read it with UNDERSTANDING, and be careful with the things that you say with regards to others! And you will see within those verses those things which God HATETH !] , see ...the thing is a true Christian is all about "truth", and telling the truth, and knowing and understanding the truth of God's Word. *** Oh yea.... that was FREE, take it or leave it.. well now the choice is yours !! Abiyah | ||
| john_parker (john_parker) Intermediate Member Username: john_parker Post Number: 287 Registered: 11-2005 Posted From: 207.200.116.138 |
BABBLE-BABBLE !!!! (LOL) This one guy put a voodoo hex on me Dont want to get Mr. hoodoo-voodoo hex man mad at me, so I had better STOP speaking against babble-babbling in FALSE tongues. Even though all Babble-babble is is just chanting and channeling evil spirits to the babble-babbler and so I am only trying to warn the fools. God is not the author of confusion like Satan undeniably is Babble-babble is, well eh babble! (lol) PEACE - BABBLE BABBLE !!!! LOL !! | ||
| john_parker (john_parker) Intermediate Member Username: john_parker Post Number: 288 Registered: 11-2005 Posted From: 207.200.116.138 |
1_corinthians_13, Mr. Gibbles Babble-babble LOL !!! You do the Babble-babble-babble in dribble-drabble dibble-dabble voodoo too praying in babble-babble is voodooo channeling of evil Spirits    BABBLE-BABBLE !!! LOL !! So sorry, I am not laughing because of you But I am laughing AT you PEACE | ||
| inkorrekt (inkorrekt) Member Username: inkorrekt Post Number: 96 Registered: 11-2005 Posted From: 198.243.2.253 |
I was told that speaking in tongues is all a believer had to do. I did it like blind sheep for many decades. I went to church. Paid tithes. Spoke in tongues. Most of the time, I was making it up. I was too proud. I thought I was super spiritual. But, inside, I was a "DEAD CHRISTIAN" I never had any power over sin. I was facing severe crisis at every area of my life. Speaking in tongues never heleped me. I resorted to sedatives, hypnotics, antidepressives etc. They all failed me. Even whiskey never helped. Finally I became addicted to nicotine for 14 years. I became a Charismaniac, then a Presbyterian and now, Lutheran. Acrtually, I am a Generic Christian attending the Lutheran Church where I have grown spiritually without any "BABBLE". I can relate to God in very simple English. God is our father and He loves His children to talk ot Him in simple terms. How wonderful it is now!!!!!. I wish I had straightened out my theology long time back. | ||
| inkorrekt (inkorrekt) Member Username: inkorrekt Post Number: 97 Registered: 11-2005 Posted From: 198.243.2.253 |
I was told that speaking in tongues is all a believer had to do. I did it like blind sheep for many decades. I went to church. Paid tithes. Spoke in tongues. Most of the time, I was making it up. I was too proud. I thought I was super spiritual. But, inside, I was a "DEAD CHRISTIAN" I never had any power over sin. I was facing severe crisis at every area of my life. Speaking in tongues never heleped me. I resorted to sedatives, hypnotics, antidepressives etc. They all failed me. Even whiskey never helped. Finally I became addicted to nicotine for 14 years. I became a Charismaniac, then a Presbyterian and now, Lutheran. Actually, I am a Generic Christian attending the Lutheran Church where I have grown spiritually without any "BABBLE". I enjoy the worship where we prostrate before God in all humility. I can relate to God in very simple English. God is our father and He loves His children to talk to Him in simple terms. How wonderful it is now!!!!!. I wish I had straightened out my theology long time back. | ||
| arron (arron) Senior Member Username: arron Post Number: 1038 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 68.119.32.209 |
inkorect... perhaps if you had been born agian you would not just have tried to speak in tongues but you would have gotten the real HOLY GHOST with the evidence of tongues. we in the pentecostal church dont try to speak in tongues we do speak in tongues by THE POWER OF THE HOLY GHOST. | ||
| belong2jesus (belong2jesus) Intermediate Member Username: belong2jesus Post Number: 265 Registered: 12-2004 Posted From: 210.212.241.130 |
inkorect... The bible says "He who speaks in a tongue edifieth himself". What you "did" was a false tongue, and you practised the same. The biblical tongues is as the Spirit gives utterance. The bible says, one who prays in a tongue, prays in the spirit, and one who sings in a tongue, sings in the spirit. Paul instructs believers in the epistles to pray in the spirit or pray in the Holy Ghost. In Romans, we read that the Spirit makes intercession through us , when we know not how to pray with groanings, according to the will of God. Why does praying in tongues/spirit edify? Because the Spirit prays through us in accordance to the will of God. I say again, if you are not edified you need to check if you have the real tongues or a counterfeit. As far as I can see from your explanation, you have a false tongue. Many pentecostal denominations, teach people to speak in tongues at will. Oral Roberts teaches this doctrine, but it is a doctrine of the devil, opening doors to seducing spirits. No one taught the disciples to speak in tongues in the 1st century, they all spoke in tongues as the Spirit gave them utterance. Inkorect, what you are doing is letting your experience with false tongues speak ill of the real tongues as the bible explains. Think about it. What Arron said is corect, no one speaks in tongues by himself, but he speaks by the power of the Holy Ghost. I have been blessed with the Spirit baptism for many years, I live in abundance. I look at those without the baptism in the Spirit and to those who have false-baptism, and sigh, "Only if they accepted what God had to say". Because truth reigns, Sidharth | ||
| arron (arron) Senior Member Username: arron Post Number: 1053 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 68.119.32.209 |
babble babble is definatly not tongues ( of the bible ) tongues in the bible are real and are not babel | ||
| bear (bear) Intermediate Member Username: bear Post Number: 330 Registered: 4-2005 Posted From: 24.247.112.45 |
B2J, You have said it well. JP, While you mock, you fail to give scriptural evidence to support your view. I am suprised, since you usually do. Give me 3 verses that state that toungues are demonic babble. (Message edited by bear on January 11, 2006) | ||
| john_parker (john_parker) Intermediate Member Username: john_parker Post Number: 348 Registered: 11-2005 Posted From: 207.200.116.138 |
Acording to the logic used by the Babble-Babblers Here is what Jesus said on the Sermon on the mount Babble babblebabble babble babble babble babblebabbleBabble babblebabble babble babble babble babblebabbleBabble babblebabble babble babble babble babblebabbleBabble babblebabble babble babble babble babblebabbleBabble babblebabble babble babble babble babblebabbleBabble babblebabble babble babble babble babblebabbleBabble babblebabble babble babble babble babblebabble Now for the directions to Heaven, listen closely so you know how to get there Directions to heaven Babble babblebabble babble babble babble babblebabbleBabble babblebabble babble babble babble babblebabbleBabble babblebabble babble babble babble babblebabbleBabble babblebabble babble babble babble babblebabble Now this is important! here is what you should remember if you see the devil coming, do the following instructions Babble babblebabble babble babble babble babblebabbleBabble babblebabble babble babble babble babblebabbleBabble babblebabble babble babble babble babblebabble Now dont you feel holy? FOLKS You have been deceived! The CLOVEN tongues (of Fire) are clear and understood by all peoples of the world. It is just the opposate of the Tower of confusion (babylon) GOD IS NOT the author of confusion but Satan lucifer is you have been tricked REPENT !!!!!!!!!! and keep stepping PEACE PEACE | ||
| john_parker (john_parker) Intermediate Member Username: john_parker Post Number: 349 Registered: 11-2005 Posted From: 207.200.116.138 |
but you would have gotten the real HOLY GHOST - S P I R I T HOLY SPIRIT not ghost! GOD is not a ,,,,, , , spook, SATAN (Mr. Death) IS The trasnslaters (though very good) were out to lunch that day PEACE | ||
| arron (arron) Senior Member Username: arron Post Number: 1060 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 68.119.32.209 |
i use the term HOLY GHOST for that is what the kjv says. that is enough for me. also i looked (again) and i dont find where JESUS said bable bable bable any where in the sermon on the mount or any where else in THE BIBLE | ||
| trainedobserver (trainedobserver) Advanced Member Username: trainedobserver Post Number: 622 Registered: 10-2005 Posted From: 198.49.119.45 |
manu_forti, Bovina Sancta! I bow to your kung-fu, which greatly exceeds mine. A strong hand indeed. Cedo maiori TO | ||
| trainedobserver (trainedobserver) Advanced Member Username: trainedobserver Post Number: 625 Registered: 10-2005 Posted From: 198.49.119.45 |
I like that Holy cow comment. Mind if I use it? No, I don't mind at all. TO | ||
| hugsnkisses (hugsnkisses) New member Username: hugsnkisses Post Number: 5 Registered: 12-2005 Posted From: 207.250.27.13 |
I don't understand how people can think they are speaking in tongues. Standing there yaba daba dooing. Acts 2:6-8 ... Now when this was noised abroad, the multitude came together, and were confounded, because that every man heard them speak in his own language. And they were all amazed and marveled, saying one to another, Behold, are not all these which speak Galileans? And how hear we every man in our own tongue, wherein we were born? When the Holy Spirit entered the people and they spoke in tongues, everyman heard the message in the language of the land they were born. If the Holy Spirit needs to take someone over and speak, it must be pretty important. So important in fact that it would make sure the message got across. | ||
| trainedobserver (trainedobserver) Advanced Member Username: trainedobserver Post Number: 634 Registered: 10-2005 Posted From: 198.49.119.49 |
With all due respect: Glossolalia is a well know psychological phenomena. I have experienced it myself. I also believe it can be a learned behaviour. Case in point, I can speak in tongues with the same manner now as when I was a believer if I so choose. The following is a good summary of psychological viewpoint from answers.com. “From a psychological point of view, the first scientific study of glossolalia was done by psychiatrist Emil Kraepelin as part of his research into the linguistic behaviour of schizophrenic patients. In 1927, G.B. Cutten published his book Speaking with tongues; historically and psychologically considered, which was regarded a standard in medical literature for many years. Like Kraepelin, he linked glossolalia to schizophrenia and hysteria. In 1972, John Kildahl took a different psychological perspective in his book The Psychology of Speaking in Tongues. He stated that glossolalia was not necessarily a symptom of a mental illness and that glossolalists suffer less from stress. He did observe, however, that glossolalists tend to have more need of authority figures and appeared to have had more crises in their lives. Nicholas Spanos described glossolalia as an acquired ability, for which no real trance is needed (Glossolalia as Learned Behavior: An Experimental Demonstration, 1987). Also know as a simplex communication.” | ||
| hugsnkisses (hugsnkisses) New member Username: hugsnkisses Post Number: 10 Registered: 12-2005 Posted From: 207.250.27.13 |
I could agree with that. I always figured people were faking it... or having an orgasm all caught up in the moment. I even considered demonic possession but then figured demons would be more cunning than that. (Message edited by hugsnkisses on January 12, 2006) | ||
| trainedobserver (trainedobserver) Advanced Member Username: trainedobserver Post Number: 639 Registered: 10-2005 Posted From: 198.49.119.51 |
I wouldn't say I as faking it when I was a believer. I think I was simply deluded and pressured. Demon possession is a myth and just another trick of the mind or con-men. | ||
| hugsnkisses (hugsnkisses) New member Username: hugsnkisses Post Number: 11 Registered: 12-2005 Posted From: 207.250.27.13 |
Perhaps you weren't faking it and really had this Glossolalia. Then again maybe you just don't want to admit it. I have a feeling more people are faking it though. Seeing as you don't believe in God, of course you don't believe in demon possession. I stick to Acts 2. | ||
| john_parker (john_parker) Intermediate Member Username: john_parker Post Number: 359 Registered: 11-2005 Posted From: 207.200.116.138 |
Possession sounds about right God is not the author of confusion PEACE | ||
| cky (cky) Intermediate Member Username: cky Post Number: 153 Registered: 1-2006 Posted From: 137.3.122.49 |
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| bear (bear) Intermediate Member Username: bear Post Number: 335 Registered: 4-2005 Posted From: 24.247.112.45 |
John, In Acts 2, when the HS fell, the people heard them speak in their own language, and glorifying God. This is the only place that we see this. Explain 1 Cor. 14, where Paul gives a detailed def. of toungues. Also, I asked you to give 3 verses that prove toungues are demonic babble. You have avoided this with your usual charm. I do you respect you, John, but please answer correctly. | ||
| john_parker (john_parker) Intermediate Member Username: john_parker Post Number: 361 Registered: 11-2005 Posted From: 207.200.116.138 |
Bear, Thank you, but You sometimes act like everybody owes you an explanation, like you are better than everybody else You are no better than anybody else here You dont own this site, do you? You are no purveyor of secret knowledge, are you? You are not my judge, do you think? I go by my schedule not yours; I was getting around to answering your question(s). But just stop think about it for just one second please. There are not too many places where God Specifically says to stop babbling incoherently calling it holy cloven tongues of fire. Preterism is about the oldest heresy cult offshoot of Christianity and there are only one or two verses about that canker sore. They simply were not babble-babbling in the first Century (like they do today) for Saint Paul to write and warn about. They wernt handling rattle snakes and drinking poison kool-aid either. People have gone nuts in the latter days of the end time I can answer your question though but as of late I have been dealing with a very nasty toilet-mouthed troll following me around the site threatening me and dropping his foul dung all over every posted reply I try to submit to the good folks. T H I N K ! I have my hands full, and besides I am waiting for my reply from the Lord my God about you, and how to proceed. manu_forti, You on meds or something? You need a wellness planer, your life is waiting PEACE | ||
| bear (bear) Intermediate Member Username: bear Post Number: 336 Registered: 4-2005 Posted From: 24.247.112.45 |
JP, I thank you for your honesty. I do not intend to sound better than everyone else, but I am a person who likes answers, as they were asked, from my questions. I am a critical thinker, and you have a tendency to avoid a question with childish humor. You have the abilty to support most of your calims with text, but your delivery leads many to question your motives. Please do not take offence at this, for it is not meant as a personal attack. You can seek God for answer to give me, but God does not, and will not, reveal something to you that is not backed up by his word. Show me scripture, period! (Message edited by bear on January 13, 2006) | ||
| bear (bear) Intermediate Member Username: bear Post Number: 337 Registered: 4-2005 Posted From: 24.247.112.45 |
Hugnkisses, You quoted a passage from Acts 2, but are missing the overall point. 1. This is the only passage in scripture where we find people hearing in their own language. 2. They heard them speak the wounderful works of God, not a message. 3. In 1 Corinthians 14, Paul explains toungues, and that the understanding is unfruitful. He also states that praying in toungues is our spirit praying. 4. A golden rule for the correct understanding of any doctrine, is to harmonize every passage dealing with the subject, i.e., You can not take one passage, and create a view that is not backed by every other verse dealing with the subject. 5. There is not one place in any text, scriptural or historical, that states toungues was used to preach. A great try, but your exegesis is not complete. | ||
| arron (arron) Senior Member Username: arron Post Number: 1085 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 68.119.32.209 |
i for one would like to know where mr parker got the verses that tongue speaking is babble. i would just like one verse that proves they are babble (from the bible) | ||
| arron (arron) Senior Member Username: arron Post Number: 1086 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 68.119.32.209 |
oh yes and if you will read his posts especially on the pentecost faith, you will find when he says something and is asked a question about it he will avoid the question or when he is pressed down to where it becomes necessary for him to answer he will say well i just strecthed it a bit or i was jsut kidding. he will never give a striaght answer. he wont on this one either | ||
| bear (bear) Intermediate Member Username: bear Post Number: 338 Registered: 4-2005 Posted From: 24.247.112.45 |
I agree. JP, I also want to say that God will not give you a revelation, to answer me, unless it is backed by his Word. Give us a scriptural basis for you claim, period! | ||
| arron (arron) Senior Member Username: arron Post Number: 1087 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 68.119.32.209 |
if you get anaswer let me know | ||
| belong2jesus (belong2jesus) Intermediate Member Username: belong2jesus Post Number: 270 Registered: 12-2004 Posted From: 59.145.99.10 |
Bear, You're absolutely right in what you said about speaking in tongues. The disciples spoke in an unknown tongue(not known to themselves). Science has it's own explanation, but a natural man cannot comprehend the things of the Spirit. Trying to scientifically prove all spiritual things is absolutlely against it's foundation called Faith. Science keeps changing, but not God's Word. Demon possession is real. The bible teaches this. It's not a belief of the mind, it's reality whether you believe in it or not. If I cease to believe you exist, trainer. Will you stop existing? You can be deceived, but that's because you chose to believe in a lie. Sidharth | ||
| belong2jesus (belong2jesus) Intermediate Member Username: belong2jesus Post Number: 272 Registered: 12-2004 Posted From: 59.145.99.10 |
To attribute bible speaking in tongues, to the devil is a blasphemy against the Spirit. For it is the Spirit that gives us utterance. And the bible says, this sin is an eternal sin. Sidharth | ||
| godchild (godchild) Senior Member Username: godchild Post Number: 1298 Registered: 1-2005 Posted From: 68.68.4.155 |
Here is a good example of the error of babbling. I am in California staying with my friend who is terminally ill and her Mother. Her neices came down from their apartment upstairs. The 10 year old was very frightened and the 15 year old was trying not to bust a gut laughing. Their aunt was up there watching church services on t.v. all day and started chanting and 'speaking in tongues'. This woman waited for their mother to leave before starting this nonsense. (The aunt moved in on them a few months ago). What this woman did was contrary to the Bible. In the first place, she should have kept this display private. It certainly did not impress the children as spiritual. They are now sure she is nuts and can't wait for her to move on. Chanting is repetitive prayer, which Jesus spoke against. The way this woman lives her life is no example of someone led by the Holy Spirit. sid calls speaking against tongues is blasphemy of the Holy Spirit. What is blasphemy is the fake childish displays by some selfrighteous people, claiming gifts they don't understand and obviously do not have because it is total confusion. Now there are two young people who think church going Christians are a bunch of whackos. | ||
| bear (bear) Intermediate Member Username: bear Post Number: 343 Registered: 4-2005 Posted From: 24.247.112.45 |
Godchild, You are an intellegent person, so I do not say this to offend. I believe that most intellegent people will agree that there are abuses in all things. Because of that fact, we can not discount the things of God, just because some choose to abuse the practice, or practice it out of order. Paul was disgusted with the Corinthians and their abuses, and thus, he corrected them. I have met some crazy preachers who start spouting off in toungues, or tell me that I am not saved if I do not speak in toungues. I laugh, shake my head, and move on. Why? because I understand the correct, biblical way that it should be done. If you study most of the great leaders of revivals, Wesley's, Finney, etc, they all spoke with toungues. I have read some commentaries that discount this, but it is black and white in their writings. Many books have been written about Charismatics and their chaos. Some of the information is correct. However, anyone can research, and find a hand full of nuts, interview them, and write a book. Conclusion: Abuses do not negate the truth of the Word of God. | ||
| cs1 (cs1) New member Username: cs1 Post Number: 1 Registered: 1-2006 Posted From: 138.163.0.41 |
arron (arron) Mr. John must have had a bad experience with tongues and mocks what he does not know Just as the Pharisees did to Jesus in Matt 12:24: Now when the Pharisees heard it they said, "This fellow does not cast out demons except by *Beelzebub, the ruler of the demons." Jesus Responded in verse 31 of that chapter “Therefore I say to you, every sin and blasphemy will be forgiven men, but the blasphemy against the Spirit will not be forgiven men. 32 Anyone who speaks a word against the Son of Man, it will be forgiven him; but whoever speaks against the Holy Spirit, it will not be forgiven him, either in this age or in the age to come. When you call the work of the Holy Spirit the work of the Devil “ babble Babbler and have knowledge that it is of God then that person is Blaspheming the Holy Spirit. Just the WORD of God so you know it is Not a Pentecostal’s Opinion. But thank God that many People Just like Mr. John are ignorant and the Bible says let them be ignorant 1COR14:38. Jesus said Light and darkness cannot coexist and how can the devil give something to a Christian? Jesus Christ is Lord the Supreme Authority and it is by the Cross of Jesus that we OUR saved. Arron know this that in the Bible John the Baptist was Spirit filled and looked and appeared crazy , on the Day of Pentecost the in the book of acts people said they were drunk at 9 am in the morning. People have always mocked what they don’t know or ignorant of. The fact of the matter is the Man Jesus did not do one miracle until he received the power from on High at the river Jordan. John 1:32-33 And John bare record, saying, I saw the Spirit descending from heaven like a dove, and it abode upon him. 33 And I knew him not: but he that sent me to baptize with water, the same said unto me, Upon whom thou shalt see the Spirit descending, and remaining on him, the same is he which baptizeth with the Holy Ghost. Now if Jesus was empowered and the disciples too by the Holy Ghost well, I will too. many People Like Mr. John have been filled with the holy Spirit and speak in tongues. But if Jesus is your Lord and savior that is a promise from Rom 10:9-10 that tongues can't give you. only Grace not tongues | ||
| belong2jesus (belong2jesus) Intermediate Member Username: belong2jesus Post Number: 246 Registered: 12-2004 Posted From: 59.145.99.10 |
I need to make it clear, I said "bible"-speaking in tongues, not a false tongues. You don't speak in tongues to impress anyone. The bible is clear in telling us the main purpose of speaking in tongues. Here are some biblical truths about speaking in tongues: "For he that speaketh in an unknown tongue speaketh not unto men, but unto God"(1 Corinthians 14:2) The bible makes it clear that speaking in an "unknown" tongue, we speak NOT to men, but to God. Paul goes onto say, "But he that prophesieth speaketh unto men"(1 Corinthians 14:3a) This strikes down the lie that the main purpose of speaking in tongues was to preach the gospel to other nations. I have heard men of God preaching in a language they never learned, but it is not the main purpose of tongues. "He that speaketh in an unknown tongue edifieth himself"(1 Corinthians 14:4) How does someone speaking in a unknown language edify himself? The bible says, it is unknown to him, and that even others don't understand what he's saying: "for no man understandeth him; howbeit in the spirit he speaketh mysteries." However it is wrong to speak in tongues loudly in a public meeting. Paul teaches that if there is no one with the gift of interpretation, let the person who speaks in tongues , speak to himself and God. "But if there be no interpreter, let him keep silence in the church; and let him speak to himself, and to God."(1 Corinthians 14:28) (contd...) (Message edited by belong2jesus on January 18, 2006) | ||
| belong2jesus (belong2jesus) Intermediate Member Username: belong2jesus Post Number: 247 Registered: 12-2004 Posted From: 210.212.241.130 |
(continuation...) All the 9 gifts are to profit withal. "But the manifestation of the Spirit is given to every man to profit withal."(1 Corinthians 12:7) The tongues edifies the Church when it is clubbed with the gift of interpretation of tongues, otherwise as Paul instructs us we should keep silent and speak to ourselves and God in the spirit. To pray or sing in the spirit is to pray in tongues. " For if I pray in an unknown tongue, my spirit prayeth, but my understanding is unfruitful. I will pray with the spirit, and I will pray with the understanding also: I will sing with the spirit, and I will sing with the understanding also."(1 Corinthians 14:14, 15) Tongues is used in worshipping. Often when we come to the stage where our earthly words are insufficient we automatically move onto a higher dimension of worshipping and singing in the spirit. But notice this is all for personal prayer and worship, not public. In many pentecostal denominations, this has gone off hand and they do just what Paul instructed the early believers not to do. Paul's purpose of writing this chapter was not to disregard speaking in tongues, but to bring discipline and order in the Church. Christians in Corinth, obviously were speaking tongues loudly ,without any order and getting carried away. Paul lays the pattern, "If any man speak in an unknown tongue, let it be by two, or at the most by three, and that by course; and let one interpret."(1 Corinthians 14: 27) Paul speaking about the public usage of tongues, not the usage of tongues during personal devotion. Paul himself says he speaks in tongues more than anyone. He says he would rather speak five intelligable words that speak a thousand words in an unknown tongue. In the end Paul gives another instruction: "forbid not to speak with tongues."(1 Corinthians 14:38b) Yours in His love, Sidharth | ||
| cs1 (cs1) New member Username: cs1 Post Number: 6 Registered: 1-2006 Posted From: 138.162.0.37 |
don't forget the rest that Tongues is a sign to who??? the Unbeliever | ||
| bear (bear) Intermediate Member Username: bear Post Number: 324 Registered: 4-2005 Posted From: 24.247.112.45 |
cs1, Only in a public meeting. Paul details the difference between the gift of toungues, and toungues used in personal worship. | ||
| easeltine (easeltine) Advanced Member Username: easeltine Post Number: 989 Registered: 5-2005 Posted From: 64.136.27.225 |
Read the Scriptures outlined by Sidharth regarding the prayer language of the Spirit used in personal worship/prayer. There is a difference between the personal worship/prayer language in the first part of 1 Corinthians 14 and the Gift of Tongues in the last part of 1 Corinthians 14. | ||
| cs1 (cs1) New member Username: cs1 Post Number: 10 Registered: 1-2006 Posted From: 138.163.0.42 |
one is done when the Body of christ caomes together in acts the Sign of tongues was used to bring attention to the church and peter preached to them that this was THAT which was spoken by the prophet Joel you see the only ones that had the holy Spirit in the old testament was kings rules Prophets and Preist. But now God is pouring out His Spirit on all flesh Not just the elect but ALL Women. Slaves black white evryone why??? Becuase That is who Jesus came for EVERYONE | ||
| overseas (overseas) Intermediate Member Username: overseas Post Number: 459 Registered: 12-2004 Posted From: 164.143.244.34 |
Quote: Paul himself says he speaks in tongues more than anyone. Sure. Paul also said that he is the first of the sinners. Does it mean he was really the worst ? So get another argument for Paul speaking in tongues. | ||
| cs1 (cs1) New member Username: cs1 Post Number: 11 Registered: 1-2006 Posted From: 138.163.0.41 |
Overseas what are you saying please clear: Sure. Paul also said that he is the first of the sinners. Does it mean he was really the worst ? So get another argument for Paul speaking in tongues. | ||
| bear (bear) Intermediate Member Username: bear Post Number: 331 Registered: 4-2005 Posted From: 24.247.112.45 |
Overseas is pulling the proverbial rabbit out of a hat. Context means everything. So does rightly dividing the Word of truth. Paul spends an entire chapter dealing with toungues. Those who do not believe that toungues are for today, spend more time and energy to disprove it, than a furnace does to heat a house. Their arguments for Acts, and especially 1 Cor. 14, are harder to believe, and take more faith, than what the text is really saying. Conclusion: Just because some nuts abuse the gift, it does not mean that it is not real and for us today. | ||
| cs1 (cs1) New member Username: cs1 Post Number: 12 Registered: 1-2006 Posted From: 65.54.154.24 |
Bear !!! amen | ||
| johncody (johncody) New member Username: johncody Post Number: 12 Registered: 2-2005 Posted From: 207.200.116.135 |
Bear, Tongues ARE languages, eh, DUH!!!! What "Tongue" do you speak? The forked kind? (lol) just kidding bear. The cloven tongues (of fire) will be spoken once again in a special outpouring of the Holy Spirit during the great tribulation, when the elect of GOD are delivered-up to the antichrist they will give witness with the Holy Spirit speaking through them. This is why they are not to premeditate or think about what to say in court. Of course, Saint Paul is going to talk about the different languages (tongues) in all the far flung countries of the world, duh, it is part and parsel of the great commition IF you want to babble-on like a baby in Babylon, you just go right ahead and enjoy yourself. Shall I warm a baby bottle for you too? I used to sing and dance and speak in babble-babble too. I am an expert on the subject. I only was trying to warn others about the dangers or rather the impediment to GOD caused by babble-babbling in false tongues and calling it Just and Holy in Church. Babble-babble in false tongues channels evil spirits for it is also vain chanting. You know darn well you (or they) babble-chatter the same things over and over and over again. Stop lying to yourself and fooling yourself, you know darn well I am right about this but you are too prideful to admit it. Oh, by the way  Thank you so much for recognizing and posting that I was indeed right about Jonah making a few mistakes. After all, all fall short only Jesus is perfect Christ Holy. Even the lawgiver (Moses) and King David made a few mistakes along the way. PEACE | ||
| kevykev35 (kevykev35) Intermediate Member Username: kevykev35 Post Number: 104 Registered: 9-2005 Posted From: 151.203.19.118 |
Suppose we are all worshipping the wrong god? suppose we are all wrong? The fact is we all don't know do we? Suppose god is looking down at us and saying What are you people doing? Why are you people arguing over me and my teachings? I am beginning to believe that everyone's god on earth is one..Well except for satan if he even exists? What i am trying to say is watch where you step in your talking circles of religions. | ||
| johncody (johncody) New member Username: johncody Post Number: 16 Registered: 2-2005 Posted From: 207.200.116.135 |
Suppose someone encountered his or her maker and GOD looked just like Jesus Christ. At first the person was very afraid but then after a while he got to where he was so comfortable with having his maker around that in conversation with him he would occasionally forget his maker was GOD and talk to Him like He was his best friend. Then GOD would have to say things like; Yes, I know about your difficulty with that aspect in your life,,, , I made you. PEACE | ||
| bear (bear) Intermediate Member Username: bear Post Number: 376 Registered: 4-2005 Posted From: 67.54.190.141 |
John, I want to understand you better; perhaps your background will help. Let me start, I am 35 years old, I have a beautiful wife, and 4 kids. I have been in full time ministry for over 8 years, and I belong to a non denominational church. I live in the Kalamazoo area of Michigan. | ||
| bro_derrick (bro_derrick) Member Username: bro_derrick Post Number: 78 Registered: 9-2005 Posted From: 67.42.107.93 |
Brother Bear: I like your common sense aproach to the ministry of God and His Word. It's entirely Scriptural; therefore, it does make sense: to them that believe, and to the world on an honest day... By your testimony alone, I would come to hear you preach, because I believe I would hear about Jesus and His cross... John: Are trying to be a friend of God without being His servant first? (Rom 14:17,18) Are you trying to develope a relationship with God without getting right with God first?(Matthew 4:17) It is one thing to have difficulties in life as a Christian: we all do (John 16:33); however, that is different from having sin in life that is friendship with the world, rather than of God.(James 4:4) 1) Those who love the Lord, and keep His commandments (1 John 5:1-3) are not afraid, nor ashamed, at His coming.(I John 2:28,29) 2) Those who do not love the Lord Jesus, and are living in wilful sin, have reason to be afraid of meeting Him.(1 Cor 16:22)(Heb 10:26,27)(Rev 6:16,17) Do you condemn yourself with your own hypothetical? As a praying Christian I would never consider being 'very afraid' as part of any such scenario, whether at first, in the middle, or last. According to the Scriptures, you have put yourself in a bad light, or on the wrong side of the Lord. Once we are born of God, now being keepers of His commandments from the heart, as Jesus the Head Himself does(!)(John 15:10), only then can we, by prayer and fellowship in the Light, begin to exercise our personal faith with Him as friends, partaking richly in the lawful things of this life.(John 15:14,15)(1 Cor 16:12)(Rev 14:12) | ||
| johncody (johncody) Member Username: johncody Post Number: 53 Registered: 2-2005 Posted From: 207.200.116.135 |
According to the Scriptures, you have put yourself in a bad light, or on the wrong side of the Lord According to the Scriptures GOD is not the author of confusion,,, , , Satan lucifer is According to the Scriptures the cloven tongues of fire is clear and understood by all hearing the Holy Spirit speak through the good folks working for tyhe good Lord According to the Scriptures I should set my brother straight and keep him from the ways of the devil even to the point of putting my own life on the line,,, , and giving it up IF needs be I do not go a long with stupid sheep led by false shepherds off a steep cliff AND CHANTING PRAYING to Satan in babble-babble-babble of baby babylon is false tongues I make and stake a stand against FALSE tongues because I love my Brothers and sisters in Christ There is no other reason, period I an trying to help connect them to GOD and His Power Jesus Christ,, Praying to satan lucifer in false tongues prevents them from getting plugged into His power - PEACE | ||
| cs1 (cs1) Junior Member Username: cs1 Post Number: 44 Registered: 10-2005 Posted From: 138.162.0.46 |
I have a Q? for you johncody Can the devil and Jesus live in the same house? And if a person has asked Jesus to forgive their sins and has confessed that they are a sinner and asked Jesus to come into their Heart can the devil be their too? Please yes or no | ||
| johncody (johncody) Member Username: johncody Post Number: 54 Registered: 2-2005 Posted From: 207.200.116.135 |
The Devil will come in IF you let him THROUGH babble-babble and calling babble-babble holy and devine which it is not AND, so Jesus is never further from you than the distance between yourself and your own right hand Why not keep Jesus IN you There are plenty of possessed people calling themselves Christian Adolph Hitler said he was christian as well as Jim Jones of the peoples temple I give you Peter as an example out of the inspired word Mat 16:23 But he turned, and said unto Peter, Get thee behind me, Satan: thou art an offence unto me: for thou savourest not the things that be of God, but those that be of men. Mar 8:33 But when he had turned about and looked on his disciples, he rebuked Peter, saying, Get thee behind me, Satan: for thou savourest not the things that be of God, but the things that be of men. Jesus always had the most troubles with SAINT Peter but Peter finally got the idea and was put straight about Jesus needing to be handed-over betrayed by the Father Look, I am only trying to empower folks and it is kind of hard when they are dancing with the devil PEACE | ||
| arron (arron) Senior Member Username: arron Post Number: 1529 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 68.119.204.41 |
well john cody john parker eli or should i just say liar. the satan come in in a lot oways .. one way is by your lying words that you use in trying to show the bible. you r are a liar and a hypocrite | ||
| johncody (johncody) Member Username: johncody Post Number: 61 Registered: 2-2005 Posted From: 207.200.116.135 |
Isaiah 29:9 "Stay yourselves, and wonder; cry ye out, and cry: they are drunken, but not with wine, they stagger, but not with strong drink." This is saying that those that are filled with these traditions and false teachings are drunk and stagger to the point that they don't know what is going on. They are walking around in a drunken stupor, not knowing what they are doing. They are filled with knowledge from their seers, but it is not the knowledge that comes from God's Word. As the prophetic events of the final days pass before their eyes, it is a mystery to them. Remember that this chapter is addressing the time just before our Lord Jesus Christ returns, and the people are being filled with strong drink, however, that drink is their false teachings and the doctrines of their church systems. When you become familiar with God's Word there is no need to be confused and stager anywhere. Isaiah 29:10 "For the Lord hath poured out upon you the spirit of deep sleep, and hath closed your eyes: the prophets and your rulers, the seers hath He covered." God is telling us why this confusion is coming upon our people, and most of the Christians in the end time. This is the reason for the analogy for the eating while you are dreaming. God is covering our people with the spirit of slumber at this time to prepare them for the coming of the Antichrist. Their prophets and rulers over their churches are also going into that stupor, and these seers are their preachers and teachers that read the Scriptures and just don't see the truth. Lets go to Romans 11 and see what Paul had to say about this time. Romans 11:7 "What then? Israel hath not obtained that which he seeketh for; but the election hath obtained it, and the rest blinded" The elect shall understand exactly what is going on, and not be blinded by the deceitful lies and wonders that Satan and the Kenites brings upon all others that are in the stupor. | ||
| johncody (johncody) Member Username: johncody Post Number: 62 Registered: 2-2005 Posted From: 207.200.116.135 |
Message cont,,, , , - Romans 11:8 "According as it is written,"God hath given them the spirit of slumber, eyes that the should not see, and ears that they should not hear";" unto this day." So we see that Paul here is quoting from Isaiah, when he is writing about the stupor, or spirit of slumber that is going to cover the eyes of those who refuse to listen only to God's Word. The day talked about to the days just before the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and that generation started when the shoot was planted in Palestine in 1948. We call that shoot the tiny nation of Israel today. It is the House of Judah, mixed with the Kenites, living within the borders of the nation Israel. Romans 11:9 "And David saith, "Let theiretable be made a snare, and a trap, and a stumbling block, and a recompence unto them:" Romans 11:10 "Let their eyes be darkened, that they may not see, and bow down their back alway." It is God that will send the spirit of slumber on many so that they cannot and will not see the truth, for their own protection. For if they saw the truth and understood, and then refused to allow the Holy Spirit to speak through them when Satan the Antichrist was on the earth with his religious beast system, there would be no forgiveness for them. This is why it is God Himself that places this drunken stupor through their strong wine, which is their false doctrines that cause them to believe the lies. God does this to protect them for they will sin in ignorance and be taken by the wrong husband. That sin will not be held against them when the Heavenly Father annuls their marriage to Satan, when Christ returns. However their salvation will then come only by their works done while living in the thousand year Millennium age. Salvation that comes in the Millennium age does not come by faith but by works, for they will know all there is to know about Christ, and faith is the taking of something unknown and unseen and believing in it. It is so much better to study our Father's Word, and be prepared for Satan when he comes rather then wandering around in a drunken stupor. God blesses those that do. | ||
| cs1 (cs1) Junior Member Username: cs1 Post Number: 45 Registered: 10-2005 Posted From: 138.163.0.44 |
Qoute : John cody Mat 16:23 But he turned, and said unto Peter, Get thee behind me, Satan: thou art an offence unto me: for thou savourest not the things that be of God, but those that be of men. Mar 8:33 But when he had turned about and looked on his disciples, he rebuked Peter, saying, Get thee behind me, Satan: for thou savourest not the things that be of God, but the things that be of men. Jesus always had the most troubles with SAINT Peter but Peter finally got the idea and was put straight about Jesus needing to be handed-over betrayed by the Father I am only trying to empower folks and it is kind of hard when they are dancing with the devil Look, ........... Well John you don't know your bible very well do you LOL in matt 16 and mar 8 peter or anyone for that matter was not saved yet. For Jesus had not yet Died, buried, and rose from the dead as King of kings and Lord Of Lord. | ||
| cs1 (cs1) Junior Member Username: cs1 Post Number: 46 Registered: 10-2005 Posted From: 138.163.0.43 |
Quote: Johncody For if they saw the truth and understood, and then refused to allow the Holy Spirit to speak through them when Satan the Antichrist was on the earth with his religious beast system, there would be no forgiveness for them. This is why it is God Himself that places this drunken stupor through their strong wine, which is their false doctrines that cause them to believe the lies. God does this to protect them for they will sin in ignorance and be taken by the wrong husband. That sin will not be held against them when the Heavenly Father annuls their marriage to Satan, when Christ returns. However their salvation will then come only by their works done while living in the thousand year Millennium age. Salvation that comes in the Millennium age does not come by faith but by works, for they will know all there is to know about Christ, and faith is the taking of something unknown and unseen and believing in it. It is so much better to study our Father's Word, and be prepared for Satan when he comes rather then wandering around in a drunken stupor. God blesses those that do. ................. you sound as someone who is looking for the antichrist? Not the return of the Lord Jesus Christ. Also we do not study God's word to be prepared for the devil’s when he comes but we are to be ready to meet the Lord when He calls US UP!!!. Yes there has been abuses with the gifts of the Spirit yes there are abuses with the frozen chosen too. Drinking beer and get drunk, committing adultery, then ask God to forgive you and do it again, thinking that you are ok because you have asked forgiveness LOL God is NOT MOCKED you CANNOT practice SIN and GET IN. But you attack Tongues and judge all by what you believe is right but cannot draw the line between abuses with practicing sin and false tongues ? | ||
| arron (arron) Senior Member Username: arron Post Number: 1570 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 68.119.204.41 |
salvation always comes by faith. faith is what saved every one that has ever been saved | ||
| johncody (johncody) Member Username: johncody Post Number: 91 Registered: 2-2005 Posted From: 207.200.116.135 |
you sound as someone who is looking for the antichrist? Not the return of the Lord Jesus Christ. - Jesus Christ cannot willnot return till the the great falling away (to the antichrist) occurs first IF You are looking to worship the first christ to appear to the world at large you will be taken by the antichrist for 666 comes before 777 in the book of Revelation, correct? AND How can God talk to you, if all you ever do is babble-babble at him in vain repitition chatter-chanting (in confusion) and channeling, which is of the devil? I am only trying to help you become empowered God will not forgive those sins you havent commited yet, So, after savation we need only repent to get right with the good Lord again. Upon repentance, asking the Father forgiveness by Jesus blots-out all sin. To blot something out means it never exsisted in the first place We must repent daily, wash our feet daily for as long as you are walking around under the sun in a flesh body you will sin. This not a salvation issue in as much as it is a way to stay plugged-into His Power by Jesus Christ God bless PEACE | ||
| johncody (johncody) Member Username: johncody Post Number: 92 Registered: 2-2005 Posted From: 207.200.116.135 |
I came-off rude in the first part of this string to get your attention Worked didnt it? (lol) - PEACE | ||
| cs1 (cs1) Junior Member Username: cs1 Post Number: 47 Registered: 10-2005 Posted From: 138.163.0.42 |
LOL rude no, just inaccurate LOL and as always you avoid the Q? "Jesus Christ cannot will not return till the great falling away (to the antichrist) occurs first." So you are looking to make it through the great tribulation, 666, the one world system? Ok well John cody how are you going to do that with the Holy Spirit taken out of the earth??? Hmm. | ||
| cs1 (cs1) Junior Member Username: cs1 Post Number: 48 Registered: 10-2005 Posted From: 138.163.0.41 |
Quote:johncody You are looking to worship the first christ to appear to the world at large you will be taken by the antichrist for 666 comes before 777 in the book of Revelation, correct? ........... 666 777 ??? LOL Q? please johncody according to Romans 10:9-10 Who is Jesus Christ and Who is He to you please keep this in ref: to romans10:9-10 and forgive me if I sound rude I'm not trying to be | ||
| arron (arron) Senior Member Username: arron Post Number: 1575 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 68.119.204.41 |
it wont do any good to wash your feet ... if your heart hasnt first been washed in THE BLOOD OF JESUS. | ||
| johncody (johncody) Member Username: johncody Post Number: 93 Registered: 2-2005 Posted From: 207.200.116.135 |
666 777 ??? LOL What, you think that is funny? 6th seal 6th trump 6th vial = Antichrist 7th Seal 7th Trump 7th vial = Jesus Christ So you are looking to make it through the great tribulation, 666, the one world system? Ok well John cody how are you going to do that with the Holy Spirit taken out of the earth??? Hmm. Thats According to what you have been taught According to what I have read in GOD s Word and been shown is that Jesus Christ is IN me and I in Him. No man or beast can separate that which has become one flesh. It is only through the indwelling of the Holy Sprit (of Christ) His Spirit married (entwined) with mine that I may have eternal life dwelling within me Jesus has promised to never leave me nor forsake me and that He is never further from me than the distance between myself and my own right hand. I plan to stay right where I am planted and making it through the great-trib because Jesus has given us His Word Sword and power over the Enemy READ LUKE 10:17-19 God bless PEACE | ||
| manu_forti (manu_forti) Intermediate Member Username: manu_forti Post Number: 129 Registered: 1-2006 Posted From: 12.222.33.87 |
johncody (johncody) Member Username: johncody Post Number: 92 Registered: 2-2005 Posted From: 207.200.116.135 Posted on Thursday, February 23, 2006 - 12:33 pm: Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post johncody wrote, "I came-off rude in the first part of this string to get your attention Worked didnt it? (lol)" Yep John, you almost convinved me to become a Christian. Peace on you | ||
| johncody (johncody) Member Username: johncody Post Number: 94 Registered: 2-2005 Posted From: 207.200.116.135 |
it wont do any good to wash your feet ... if your heart hasnt first been washed in THE BLOOD OF JESUS. - arron, those who live in glass houses shouldnt cast stones It was I that extended an olive branch to you first,, , yet you continue to want to fight and insult me? It is hitting below the belt to say I am not saved especially when I have said I accept Jesus as my Lord and Savior and encourage others to repent asking the Father to forgive (our) sins by Jesus PEACE | ||
| arron (arron) Senior Member Username: arron Post Number: 1576 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 68.119.204.41 |
i didnt say anything other than it wont do any good to wash your feet if your heart isnt washed first.. did i say that was to you? i did not intend it as a hit below the belt. i just made a statement. that goes for anyone not just you or me | ||
| arron (arron) Senior Member Username: arron Post Number: 1577 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 68.119.204.41 |
where did you extend an olive branch to me first? show me .. if you did i will apoogise but if you didnt i wont. i dont recal you saying anything good about THE HOLY GHOST TONGUES at all. | ||
| johncody (johncody) Member Username: johncody Post Number: 100 Registered: 2-2005 Posted From: 207.200.116.135 |
You worship ghosts and their tongues? GOD is Spirit not GHOST!!! Satan is ghost The false tongues you speak is of the devil, I am only trying to help you! AND Most Bible scholars agree the translaters made a mistake with ghost,, IT SHOULD BE SPIRIT, HOLY SPIRIT PEACE | ||
| arron (arron) Senior Member Username: arron Post Number: 1580 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 68.119.204.41 |
the bible says go ye theref ore and teach all nations baptising them in THE NAME OF THE FATHER AND THE SON AND THE HOLY GHOST... IT DOESNT SAY SPIRIT THERE. no i do not worship ghostsas i do not believe in them i do speak in tongues which are of GOD. you try to turn every thing around that people say. it is you that is an unbeliever and a nut case. | ||
| cs1 (cs1) Junior Member Username: cs1 Post Number: 50 Registered: 10-2005 Posted From: 138.163.0.41 |
666 777 ??? LOL What, you think that is funny? 6th seal 6th trump 6th vial = Antichrist 7th Seal 7th Trump 7th vial = Jesus Christ ......... no I don't think this is funny but there is not one day promise to YOU or Me ok That is what the bibles says Provb 27:1 Boast not thyself of to morrow; for thou knowest not what a day may bring forth. james 4:13Go to now, ye that say, To day or to morrow we will go into such a city, and continue there a year, and buy and sell, and get gain :14 Whereas ye know not what [shall be] on the morrow. For what [is] your life? It is even a vapour, that appeareth for a little time, and then vanisheth away. what I'm laughting about is how you speak as if you will be here for the 666 or 777 maybe you will? or maybe you won't and those times are very important according to scriptures as I have been taught, thank you very much. But you and I only have today right now... not tomorrow and as far as the word Ghost over spirit do you believe in the Trinity ? that word is not in the bible the word Ghost brings personalization to the Holy Spirit, not just some floating mist of energy. | ||
| cs1 (cs1) Member Username: cs1 Post Number: 51 Registered: 10-2005 Posted From: 138.163.0.41 |
Quote: johncody "Most Bible scholars agree the translaters made a mistake with ghost,, IT SHOULD BE SPIRIT, HOLY SPIRIT". ........ Now we have error with the bible as you see it huh? ok you can't have it both ways guy make it fit for what you want it say. that is why some believe that the Bible contains the word of god more than BELIEVING THAT IT IS THE WORD OF GOD from GEN to REV. | ||
| cs1 (cs1) Member Username: cs1 Post Number: 52 Registered: 10-2005 Posted From: 138.163.0.37 |
johncody you attack what you don't know and speak with the spirit of separatism . And a hint of racism too I might add. I really hate to stereo-type but I bet you go to a one color church. I bet you use the scare the hell out of someone to win them to Christ huh? Just suggestions IMHO try… Loving the hell out of them. Your right tongue does you no good if you don’t Love your brother. I was taught that too . | ||
| johncody Member Username: johncody Post Number: 99 Registered: 2-2005 Posted From: 207.200.116.135 |
I usually do not respond to fools BUT Lets get this straight Mat 1:18 Now the birth of Jesus Christ was on this wise: When as his mother Mary was espoused to Joseph, before they came together, she was found with child of the Holy Ghost. Even an idiot would not call GOD a ghost GHOST is kinda spooky and God aint no spook GHOST here is pneuma PNEUMA = 1) the third person of the triune God, the Holy Spirit, coequal, coeternal with the Father and the Son a) sometimes referred to in a way which emphasises his personality and character (the "Holy" Spirit) b) sometimes referred to in a way which emphasises his work and power (the Spirit of "Truth") c) never referred to as a depersonalised force 2) the spirit, i.e. the vital principal by which the body is animated a) the rational spirit, the power by which the human being feels, thinks, decides b) the soul 3) a spirit, i.e. a simple essence, devoid of all or at least all grosser matter, and possessed of the power of knowing, desiring, deciding, and acting a) a life giving spirit S P I R I T not ghost But then, the god you follow after (Satan lucifer) is a ghost and is quite deathly Death. | ||
| arron Senior Member Username: arron Post Number: 1610 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 66.169.8.32 |
the bible say THE FATHER THE SON AND THE HOLY GHOST, NOT SPIRIT. i say HOLY GHOST as the bible says | ||
| ezekiel_37 Advanced Member Username: ezekiel_37 Post Number: 570 Registered: 8-2005 Posted From: 69.192.223.192 |
not in Greek arron....... it says Spirit in the ORIGINAL language honestly! | ||
| arron Senior Member Username: arron Post Number: 1613 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 66.169.8.32 |
since i use the kjv.. ONLY i take THE HOLY GHOST. | ||
| johncody Intermediate Member Username: johncody Post Number: 107 Registered: 2-2005 Posted From: 207.200.116.135 |
S O S - ghost Stuck On Stupid - ghost never learns or really gets to know Jesus Christ as friend as well as maker | ||
| arron Senior Member Username: arron Post Number: 1633 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 66.169.8.32 |
johncody whay dont you just stop on that issue. we here beleive in THE FATHER THE SON AND THE HOLY GHOST. we also believe in speaking in tongues. you have worn that out by talking against tongues. i for one am tired of hearing your insane trap. talk about something constructive for a change. | ||
| ezekiel_37 Advanced Member Username: ezekiel_37 Post Number: 585 Registered: 8-2005 Posted From: 69.192.223.192 |
cs1 Do you have a Strong's Concordance or another bible dictionary? This word "Ghost" just isn't what the greek or hebrew manuscripts say. They say "Spirit"....really! No big deal though! I use Spirit but what ever floats your boat I guess! | ||
| theaustrianoak New member Username: theaustrianoak Post Number: 1 Registered: 4-2006 Posted From: 24.237.141.197 |
Hey, I'm new here now but I've read through much of the posts here and will make it my duty to bomb on the brainwashed pentacostals who have some of the most screwed up beliefs than anywhere in the world. I've had my own terrible experiences with the holy roller churches and how they claim to have old testament spiritual gifts like tongues and some of these self-proclaimed pastors make people think they are actually apostles and can heal someone with their touch. First of all, tongues these days are nothing but jiggerish. Just another mistranslation in the english bible that people can't comprehend because they haven't studied it in the original languages. The gift of languages was given to apostles as a means of evangelism so that people from different countries could hear the gospel in their own laguage. It was also a warning to Israel of their impending destruction. When the new testament was completed circa AD 97 tongues were done away with along with all the other spiritual gifts given because there was no use for them anymore. Why? Because the new testament was completed! Apostles were given these spiritual gifts as credit cards so that people living in an ancient and wicked time of snake cults and demi-gods could see that these apostles were really from God and not just another cult. No one has spoken in tongues in almost 2,000 years. Now days it's just a bragamony that people can use to say they've "got the ghost" and somehow outrank you in God's eyes with their pious pretenses of psuedo spirituality. All you holy rollers take it a step further by spazzing out on the floor, yelling hystarically, crying out of control, climbing the walls, or clanging on a tamborine so you "feel" spiritual. Spirituality has nothing to do with EMOTIONALISM. It is a system of thought not emotion! You receive the baptism of the holy spirit when you first accept Christ as your savior and at the same time all your post salvation sins have been blotted out and receive 34 irrevocable absolutes and your name is printed in the book of life forever (so even a holy roller can go to heaven). There is no middle ground for spirituality. You become carnal when you sin and you become spiritual when you aknowledge your sins to God the Father and he is justified because of Christ's work on the cross to forgive you and restore you to fellowship and you become spiritual again as we are mandated to do in 1 John 1:9. No holy roller currently getting down with the "ghost" is spritual because of the sins of emotionalism. There will be more bombing runs to come so if any of you holy rollers want to step up you're gonna get blown right out of the water! | ||
| arron Senior Member Username: arron Post Number: 1659 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 68.119.39.174 |
what is a holy roller? i am holiness but i dont roll, but if THE HOLY GHOST were to lead me i would. as far as being blown out of the water i am not afraid to stay in the baot. for all who forsake the boat will be lost, that is what paul told the people in the ship when it was about to sink.. if these abide not in the ship we will be lost. | ||
| theaustrianoak New member Username: theaustrianoak Post Number: 4 Registered: 4-2006 Posted From: 24.237.139.83 |
A holy roller is a derogatory term coined by Pastor Thieme to describe the madness of what goes on in pentecostal churches i.e. break dancing, climbing up the walls, and rolling around on the stage up front made just for that malarchy. Second, there is no word in the original Hebrew for "ghost." The closest is apperation, so don't use it any more because it makes your ignorance shine right through. I've heard much about therapists treating holy rollers like yourself because of all their emotional problems and how they can't break dance any more because they think they lost the "ghost." More than likely you go to some back water town local church formed by a group of morons that just make it up as they go and are easily lead automatons with some self-proclaimed pastor with his hand out for your money. My ex girlfriend and her whole family are a classic example of everything wrong in the local churches today. I've been there an done that so there is no use trying to pick a fight with me! I didn't subscribe to their holy roller nonsense and for that they slandered, maligned, and offended me because they've undoubtably been taking flak for their emotionalism. They weren't trying to make me believe the same garbage but they were trying to convince THEMSELVES that they believe the right things. For some reason almost every member of their congregation was a "pastor" and not one of them has ever graduated from a theological seminary university. That's why I call them self-proclaimed pastors because all they did was memorize the bible in ENGLISH which is dangerous since the english language is nothing like the original Koine Greek, Aramaic, or Hebrew. It's loaded with legalism and blatent contradictions from bad translations into english. What the holy rollers believe is that if you go to seminary you will become legalistic...The only reason they say that is so they can use arrogant, self justification for why they aren't educated. Yeah. What now!? Keep clangin' on your tamborine and getting down with the ghost if it makes you feel better. How is that any different than going to the bar? I hope you walk past some hot shot GI speakin "tounges" and he decides to smash you because that's what all you holy rollers deserve after maligning against me! I'm bringing down the hammer batch! | ||
| ezekiel_37 Advanced Member Username: ezekiel_37 Post Number: 657 Registered: 8-2005 Posted From: 69.192.223.192 |
agreed | ||
| arron Senior Member Username: arron Post Number: 1666 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 68.119.39.174 |
austrinoak... what in the world does your name mean? also i am hoiliness, i do not try to convince any one. if they dont believe then that is them. i will try to help them if they ask. i will defend that which i believe in. you calling us holy rollers, and say that someone needs to bash us. saying and judgeing all holiness peole by the way one bunch treaed you. if they did as you say have it out with them but dont judge all holiness people by the misguidence of some. you are being just as bad as you say thye were. | ||
| theaustrianoak New member Username: theaustrianoak Post Number: 6 Registered: 4-2006 Posted From: 24.237.139.83 |
The austrian oak is Arnold's nickname and he's also one of my heroes. I haven't heard of any holiness church before but if you guys subscribe to popular pentecostal reasoning and beliefs than you do deserve to be smashed! You're all the same to me, a bunch of inbread, closed minded, automatons who slander, malign, and boycott local businesses because they don't subscribe to holy roller jargon. If you're going to try and defend your holy roller malarchy then you came to the wrong place dude. That one bunch that treated me the way they did based all their beliefs on mainstream pentacostal emotionalism from some other cult in the lower 48. One of your churches for all I know. Bombing on you over your screwed up beliefs is not being as bad and fake as they were. It is necessary to correct you because you need help getting away from your emotional drukeness! How old are you by the way? Judging by your spelling and grammar I'd say that you are a drop-out or are still in high school. If you write back to this than we'll all know you're a total Mcfagel Deluxe that loves taking shaft because I am totally screwing you right now! | ||
| ezekiel_37 Advanced Member Username: ezekiel_37 Post Number: 670 Registered: 8-2005 Posted From: 69.192.223.192 |
he's actually not a kid!!!!!! and he'll probably answer | ||
| easeltine Senior Member Username: easeltine Post Number: 1106 Registered: 5-2005 Posted From: 64.136.27.225 |
"When the new testament was completed circa AD 97 tongues were done away with along with *all the other spiritual gifts given* because there was no use for them anymore. Why? Because the new testament was completed!" John 3:6,7 "Flesh gives birth to flesh but the Spirit gives birth to spirit. You should not be surprised at my saying, 'You must be born again.'" Romans 6:23 "For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord." Ephesians 2:8,9 "For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith-and this not from yourselves, it is the gift of God-not by works, so that no one can boast." The idea in Dispensationalism that states that all of the spiritual gifts of Scripture have ceased at the end of the Apostolic Age is not Scripturally supportable. The idea that all spiritual gifts have ceased at the Apostolic Age is also not historically supportable, and belief in this idea throws out all healing from the year 97 AD till today. Part of Pentecostal and Charismatic theology is that not only are the Gifts listed in 1 Corinthians 12-14 still functioning today the following SPIRITUAL GIFTS are still functioning today: 1. The Gift of Eternal Life. 2. Celibacy 1 Cor. 7:7 3. Administrations 4. Apostles Eph. 4:11 5. Evangelist Eph. 4:11 6. Exhortation Rom. 12:8 7. Giving Rom. 12:8 8. Leaderships Rom. 12:8 9. Mercy Rom. 12:8 10. Pastor Eph. 4:11 11. Prophets Eph. 4:11 12. Righteousness Rom. 5:17 13. Service Rom. 12:7 14. Teachers Eph. 4:22 15. Teaching Rom. 12:7 If there are no spiritual gifts in operation today then nobody can be saved, since to be saved an operation is needed by the Holy Spirit, in the Gift of eternal life. Indeed, people that make such a statement cannot really believe that there is no active agent of the Holy Spirit in operation in the church of Christ today? Is this type of Christianity just mental believism, just in the mind and has never gone to the person's heart? That is the logical conclusion of such a statement. I totally reject the statement that there are no spiritual gifts in the body of Christ today! This statement is heresy, a lie, and comes from Satan. The idea that there are no spiritual gifts today is one of the most stupid statements that a Christian can make, done so entirely without thought and reasoning. Erich | ||
| arron Senior Member Username: arron Post Number: 1674 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 68.119.39.174 |
to asrtonak or what ever oak tree..... i am not a kid a kid is ababy goat and i am human. i will answer regardless for you have blasted my beliefs. i have as much right to them as you do. i am a believer in JESUS CHRIST THE SON OF THE LIVING GOD. i belive in all of THE SPIRITUAL GIFTS OF THE HOLY GHOST. i do not roll nordo i bash or bomb blast people but i do.. I DO DEFEND MY FAITH. YOU ARE A SMART ALEC STUPID IDIOT WHO DOES NOT BELIEVE IN THE TRUE GOD . you use as an excuse the fact that somebody "stepped on your toes " thank GOD they did, maybe it will learn you some sense. you are a judgemental nutcase. from the words you use that are filthy and poluted and nasty impression words. you are not, not, not saved. | ||
| cs1 Member Username: cs1 Post Number: 94 Registered: 10-2005 Posted From: 138.163.0.41 |
Arron it is very clear that they attribute the Holy Spirit the work of the devil as johncody said here: “But then, the god you follow after (Satan lucifer) is a ghost and is quite deathly Death” I know about the word pneuma which is the Holy Spirit but using the word Ghost was not wrong as it is in the KJV. I would think you would know that is who I’m speaking about is the Holy Spirit beings I confess that Jesus is Lord not the devil. ezekiel_37 yes I have a strong’s. the/au str/ ian/oak how many have you won to Christ with your foul lang? to say that tongues, healing and what ever you may think about those are your right to believe that But one thing you do lack… is love . Now break dancing !!! never seen that or climbing walls. Have you been freeze dried? Have you seen black people yet? You know that they are people right? You seem to believe a lot of shadowed theories and urban legends. Maybe you should go and visit one to see even Paul had enough faith to eat food sacrificed to idol ‘s | ||
| theaustrianoak New member Username: theaustrianoak Post Number: 8 Registered: 4-2006 Posted From: 24.237.140.117 |
You got a point there easeltine about the spiritual gifts like pastor-teacher, giving, helps, ect. God can heal a person it's part of his game plan, but no one is given the gift of healing anymore because it is no longer necessary to show the world that they are actually from God because the new testament canon has been completed. As for you Arron, you made a huge mistake in talking back to me and saying I do not believe in Jesus! I have quite a quick wit for my young age and enough knosis doctrine resident in my soul to blow your false beliefs out of the water ten fold. Typical holy roller automaton with huge misconseptions about your pseudo spirituality. I was completely good natured, kind, and forthright with the local holy rollers. I didn't subscribe to their beliefs but I kept that private between me and my ex girlfriend, but she turned out to be a fake gossip queen that got the entire congregation to malign against me. All I did was walk out of their church in a hurry because I was terrified by all the madness. Then last easter they had a revival and my ex twisted my arm into going to her church again where this used carsalesman/self-proclaimed pastor had a whole unprepaired spiel about how you won't be blessed if you don't give enough of your money to the church... Hello! Isn't easter supposed to be all about Jesus's resurrection, acension, and succession to the right hand of the father? Then he started going off about dating while looking down his nose at me the whole time and said things like how if the man doesn't believe the same things as the parents then they must tell him to take a hike because he has no bussiness with her. I wish we lived back in the good old days when you could just slap a man across the face with a gauntlet and be justified in impaling him with a lance because that's what he deserves. I hope his church burns to the ground and his whole family dies of malaria. They judged me as an arrogant person because I'm a personal trainer that values education over being a union puke. I will bomb on you holy rollers until such time I see fit for all the capricious pain you put me through! | ||
| ezekiel_37 Advanced Member Username: ezekiel_37 Post Number: 686 Registered: 8-2005 Posted From: 69.192.223.192 |
May I ask if anyone speaking the unknown tongue language ever knows what is being said? Does any one ever know? | ||
| theaustrianoak New member Username: theaustrianoak Post Number: 9 Registered: 4-2006 Posted From: 24.237.140.117 |
Back in the day after the gift of languages was bestowed to the apostles people could hear the gospel in their respective languages. So if the message was being spoken in Hebrew the holy spirit made it possible so that an Arab, an egyptian, or a Roman could hear it in their own language and become evangelized. If I were to say "Brinst du ein anderas beer" it would sound like jibberish to anyone who speaks english but it would make sense to a Deutchlander. That's all "tounges" is, but the holy rollers think they've got the "ghost" when they ramble off a bunch of jibberish and then someone from their congregation will stand up and claim that they had a divine revelation that gave them the meaning of what was spoken. It's so unfortunate that there are spiritual perverts out there that think the gift of languages are still in effect and that they have the gift of prophecy. | ||
| arron Senior Member Username: arron Post Number: 1682 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 68.119.39.174 |
praise GOD for the gifts of THE SPIRIT OF THE HOLY GHOST, i have heard speaking in tongues have spoken my self in tongues. i did not know what i said then one would bring or give the interpertation and it would always prove out right. we dont just take a mans word but it has to be proven by GODS WORD. | ||
| easeltine Senior Member Username: easeltine Post Number: 1110 Registered: 5-2005 Posted From: 64.136.27.225 |
Theaustrianoak, "You got a point there easeltine about the spiritual gifts like pastor-teacher, giving, helps, ect. God can heal a person it's part of his game plan, but no one is given the gift of healing anymore because it is no longer necessary to show the world that they are actually from God because the new testament canon has been completed." I don't agree with your conclusions regarding the cessation of the Gifts of the Holy Spirit in 1 Corinthians 12-14. I do think that one could have a Gift of Healing today and any of the Gifts of the Holy Spirit described in Scripture. 1 Corinthians 13 does not state this cessation of spiritual gifts idea taking the entire passage in context. Though, I think it is important to word it careful as you did above if one believes in the idea of cessation of the Gifts of the Holy Spirit at the end of the Apostolic Age. You need to be careful or you may be fighting against God. Charles Ryrie in his book The Holy Spirit states clearly that he is a believer in cessation of the Gifts of the Holy Spirit, though he makes it very clear that the Holy Spirit can still operate any of the Gifts of the Holy Spirit found in 1 Corinthians 12-14 if the Holy Spirit chooses. He also states that the cessation idea is more of a theory based on 1 Corinthians 13, using wording like "It looks as if 1 Corinthians 13:8 specifies that the gift of tongues belongs to that category too." "What about tongues today? One cannot say that God would never give this gift or other of the limited gifts today." On the unknown tongue idea, "Against this view stand 1 Corinthians 14:2 and 14, which seem to indicate that the Corinthian tongues were an unknown language." The positions of the theologians teaching this theory about cessation of the Gifts of the Holy Spirit are not so dogmatic as some posters. The true fact is that the teachers of cessation of the Gifts of the Holy Spirit are basing their conclusions that there is no Gifts of the Holy Spirit today as described in 1 Cor. 12-14 simply because they don't see them happening in their churches, there is NO Scriptural support to support this idea of cessation. The words of Jesus Christ are very clear that we can see these Gifts of the Holy Spirit happen today if we have faith for them! You can't even be saved if you take the idea too literally that there are no spiritual gifts today, since the born again experience is a spiritual gift. Theaustrianoak, I would leave that Church that you described above also! You seem to be reacting too strongly to a bad experience. Really look at the Scriptural evidence regarding cessasion of Gifts vs. the Charismatic, Pentecostal position. My belief in that the Gifts of the Holy Spirit are still in existence today is not just based on my experience, rather the evidence of Scripture is overwhelming to me supporting the Gifts of the Holy Spirit being still in existence today. I would also leave a Church that starts practicing "gifts" that are not in Scripture, I have a particular problem with people wiggling on the floor like a snake. That appears to me to be like a manifestation of a Kundalini demon of dynamic yoga in Hinduism. The fact is I don't see this taking place when I visit most Pentecostal and Charismatic Churches, (only these extreme Laughing Movement Toronto-type). If you are in the Los Angeles area visit, Church on the Way, Angelus Temple, Christian Assembly, Andre and Sandra Crouch's First Church of God in Christ Church, or Anaheim Vineyard, you probably wouldn't have a problem worshipping at any of these churches. Go to the Assembly of God website and check out their Statement of Faith, it's solid. Examine Arron's posts in the past, they are very solid core Christian beliefs, stated strong, and nobody is persecuted on FACTNet as much as Arron just for stating his beliefs. Erich | ||
| ezekiel_37 Advanced Member Username: ezekiel_37 Post Number: 693 Registered: 8-2005 Posted From: 69.192.223.192 |
Hello Erich I had the Born Again experience, filling me with the Holy Spirit, undoubtedly. I still don't buy the unknown tongue. Corinthians was not a perfect church...Paul was there to correct them and teach them. And one of the lessons was on interpretors and how, if you preaach the Gospel, to bring one with you in a foreign speaking area... no unknown language but foreign languages which are, between the preacher and the preached, unknown...FOREIGN that's it.. I'm still 'born again' although I do not believe in unknown tongues as being a Spiritual Gift. ALL understand when it is a Spiritual Gift, and that is the determining factor on whether it is from God or not. I have extensively studied 1 Cor 14 and other passages to further understand this phenominum (sp)...I've seen it and don't for one second think it is from our Father. Paul says to bring an interpretor. This chapter is not even dealing with the same issue as the Gifts at Pentacost. All should pray by the Spirit of God but not unknown language but by your words or your mind...which is not an unknown language. so, so, so much more. | ||
| theaustrianoak New member Username: theaustrianoak Post Number: 10 Registered: 4-2006 Posted From: 24.237.137.28 |
Sorry holy rollers, I still don't buy into "tounges." It's just another misconception that has afflicted so many people and turned so many away from Jesus because they become terrified of the display of fanacticism. There are so many dangers from mistranslations in the bible that lead people to do crazy things like fasting or putting on a show of emotionalism. That used carsalesman/self-proclaimed pastor got so many kudos from ignorant people because he starved himself for 35 days. Back in biblical times Hebrew people would spend a great deal of their time prepairing food before the sabath that they were mandated to fast so that they could devote the time spent on their food to studying the word of God. Now days this can be applied to anything which is a distraction to your spiritual growth such as monday night football, vacations, work, video games, ect. He had the pious pretense that he was going to score spirituality points with God for starving himself and I was the only person in that entire church who could see this and I think that's pretty sad that so many people older than me could be so unwise and easily lead. Then the self-proclaimed pastor kept going off about how great he was because he lost over 50 pounds on his fast, 85% of which was lean muscle tissue and not stored fat. That's just the way the body is made. If you don't eat every two to three hours your body enters ketosis which means that ketone bodies are present in the blood stream indicating that the body is scavenging for muscle tissue for energy and it will hold onto it's stored fat like gold so you live as long as possible. Some people just have no bussiness in the pulpit because they make it up as they go and just want to take your money. There's another common misconception for you right there. Freakin' tithing. It was a system of taxtation back in the day where you would give 10% of your earnings. Now it's just dead works. Wood, hay, and stubble. | ||
| arron Senior Member Username: arron Post Number: 1700 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 68.119.39.174 |
hey old oak bucket... you had better be careful lest you blaspheme THE HOLY GHOST with your insane garbage. enough said. | ||
| theaustrianoak New member Username: theaustrianoak Post Number: 11 Registered: 4-2006 Posted From: 24.237.137.28 |
MY insane garbage!? I haven't said anything blashemous. I've just spoken the truth. And quit calling the third member of the trinity "ghost." It makes you sound that much more ignorant and mis-lead. A lot of people disagree with me as soon as I chime in about Christianity and think that if they hand me a bible it'll light up in my hand because all the knowledge I have contradicts what they think is right. Here's a link to one of the last few ministries that actually teaches correct bible doctrine. www.rbthieme.org Now get yourself a clue. | ||
| easeltine Senior Member Username: easeltine Post Number: 1115 Registered: 5-2005 Posted From: 72.164.43.195 |
Just a thought. "Freakin' tithing." You know some of us take the word Freakin' as being a substitute by the younger generation for another evil word. People sometimes use words as substitutes for the swear words and it has become so common in our culture that they don't even realize that they do it, for example - Freakin'/Gosh/Darn it/Shoot/BS Get a clue. | ||
| easeltine Senior Member Username: easeltine Post Number: 1116 Registered: 5-2005 Posted From: 72.164.43.195 |
Both of you maintain the OPINION that the prayer language of the spirit is either from the flesh, or satanic. * I can tell you WITHOUT A DOUBT that based on the list of SECULAR rock music that you participate in as stated on the other thread is evil, and straight from Satan. Without a doubt due to the lyrics of the songs, not due to the sound. | ||
| ezekiel_37 Advanced Member Username: ezekiel_37 Post Number: 711 Registered: 8-2005 Posted From: 69.192.223.192 |
that is an assumption on your part Erich. The lyrics of the songs that I sing with my band are not devilish in any way... if you took the time to read the entire post on the other thread you would have noticed that the songs that I enjoy have positive messges and speak of apoctaliptic events. You are judging us for music that we listen to, without knowing which actual Titles that we listen too! You think 'Secular' and you relate 'evil'.... shame lots of rock and roll is great, while some, as in all aspects of life, is not great! I like the positive songs and the ones that mention God's name... is that in vain erich? what if I sing the bname of God to 100 people erich? is that not coolor is that ok with you. No wonder some have negative opinions of you'ze guys! | ||
| easeltine Senior Member Username: easeltine Post Number: 1119 Registered: 5-2005 Posted From: 64.136.27.225 |
It's true that I have made an assumption. Some of the songs by the groups names have bad words to them. I worded my post too dogmatic. I do know that some past Christian rock musicians, such as Larry Norman, listened to some secular rock music after receiving the Baptism of the Holy Spirit with the evidence of speaking in tongues. Also, Michael Omartian still was a secular rock artist after receiving the Baptism of the Holy Spirit with the evidence of speaking in tongues. Good point. | ||
| theaustrianoak New member Username: theaustrianoak Post Number: 13 Registered: 4-2006 Posted From: 24.237.140.89 |
So far I have kept my posts G rated and I don't see that "freakin" is a bad word. Nor do I think that rock artists like Slipknot, Tool, Mudvayne, or Korn are straight from the Devil in that they will tempt a person to persue evil. It is a matter of taste as I have stated before. Just like in anything else, people have a right to enjoy the things they like whether it be blondes, red-heads, or brunettes. Country, r&b, Gospel, rap, or rock. Chocholate, vanilla, bubble gum, or cookie dough flavored ice cream. It is completely self-rightous to think that because you may set the standard for the "hard core" Christian and love Gospel music then someone else who prefers hard rock is not holy, thinking that he should like the same things you do. I've known families who never allowed their kids to watch rated R movies and it didn't make a bit of difference...They still turned out to be meth addicts, liliths, and thieves. I'm just trying to understand where it says in the word of God that it is sinful to have particular tastes for certain genres of music and movies. | ||
| johnrhadfield New member Username: johnrhadfield Post Number: 3 Registered: 4-2006 Posted From: 172.134.29.172 |
Thieme is so far from biblical truth it is so not funny. Thieme is a right wing cult leader who twists biblical truth through pretense at Hebrew, greek, and Aramiac and outputs a right wing-agenda. For proof of this read summaries and critiques from Dr. Wall's doctoral dissertation. Dr. Wall was Thieme's long time friend who actually started out with Thieme in downtown Houston. Later Dr. Wall earned his doctorate from DTS while Thieme only earned his Masters from DTS. In any case when Dr. wall attended DTS he learned that Thieme was just simply incorrect with his "new doctrinal breakthroughs" So if you are really interested in biblical truth read the dissertation.http://www.cypressbible.org/Resources/Thieme.pdf Quit listening to Thieme's robotic cheerleaders and make up your own mind. | ||
| theaustrianoak New member Username: theaustrianoak Post Number: 14 Registered: 4-2006 Posted From: 24.237.140.116 |
I read Dr. Wall's essays on Col. Thieme and I'm still not convinced that he's a cult leader or anything like that. I've had much experience with people who feel they have to perform character assassination on someone they don't agree with because what they're saying challenges what they think is right. Heaven forbid they would be wrong. Whatever it was he said that you don't agree with is unfortunate. Believe whatever you think is right man. I really don't care. Dr. Wall didn't write anything to disprove him at all in my opinion. | ||
| ezekiel_37 Advanced Member Username: ezekiel_37 Post Number: 749 Registered: 8-2005 Posted From: 69.192.223.192 |
can anyone share with me the scripture that says......holy Spirit Baptism with evidence of speaking unknown tongues? is there such a verse? | ||
| easeltine Senior Member Username: easeltine Post Number: 1133 Registered: 5-2005 Posted From: 64.136.27.225 |
Mark 16:16-18, Acts 2:4, Acts 10:44-46, Acts 11:17, Act 19:6 Probably Acts 10:46 is the best. Much of the idea is based on experience and historic Pentecostalism. It is a fact that most people that practice the supernatural charimata gifts of the Holy Spirt found in 1 Cor. 12-14, (ex. faith healers), believe in the theology this way. The Baptism of the Holy Spirit as a secondary experience, (additional and distinct from salvation and indwelling spirit), was taught before 1904 by many fundamental evangelist, such as Finney, D.L. Moody, and R.A. Torrey. | ||
| turtle Senior Member Username: turtle Post Number: 1108 Registered: 9-2005 Posted From: 151.199.104.75 |
Ephesians 4:5-7 5 One Lord, one faith, one baptism, 6 One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all. 7 But unto every one of us is given grace according to the measure of the gift of Christ. I believe that tongues and other gifts are empowerment for services which most would calle the baptism of the Holy Spirit if you are pentecostal. But if as stated in Ephesians One Lord, One Faith, One Baptism there can not be more then one baptism. Does that mean I throw tongues out no. My question is do people today understand the difference between water baptism and Holy Spirit Baptism???? | ||
| ezekiel_37 Advanced Member Username: ezekiel_37 Post Number: 768 Registered: 8-2005 Posted From: 69.192.223.192 |
Well I do that's for sure but no unknown speach! And all of these wonderful scriptures do not say what I asked.... "speaking in an unknown tongue is Evidence of The baptism of the Holy Spirit" I don't think scripture says that! And if it is not the Holy Spirit (LOL) then what is it? Familiar spirits or delusion.....take your pick Both exist. Praying in the Spirit does not mean praying in unknown tongues..... I challenge anyone to prove that! This is the basis for my arguement...and I really do say this out of kindness..... Unknown tongues are not from God The Gift of Tongues is not even discussed in 1 Cor 14 It is discussed in the Gospels and Revelation and other Pauline epistles. What those that practice this are doing is sinfull and there is no biblical example....no positive biblical example whatsoever. The church at Corinth was not a perfect church....Paul was there for CORRECTION. This is a tradition of man that is fake and not real. God doesn't work like that! Sorry! Check it out in His Word.....1 Cor 14....all about correction and proper ways to preach the gospel to foreigners....gentiles and all commers speaking multiple languages. Nothing unknown Unknown = Babyl Babylon....come out of her come out of confusion God is not the author of confusion. What happened at Pentacost is the Gift of Tongues All understood the words of GOD HIMSELF spoken through His Faithful servants. All, each one there understood it as if it was spoken in their original language....cause it is God Himself speaking... What is being practiced today is not God Himself speaking...but rather man speaking ...... unintelligently mumbling supposedly to God in some higher form of prayer... sorry charlie! Gift of Tongues is GOD SPEAKING THROUGH SOMEONE to promote and preach the GOOD NEWS...... prove me wrong! | ||
| turtle Senior Member Username: turtle Post Number: 1110 Registered: 9-2005 Posted From: 151.199.104.75 |
Sorry exekiel, Look at cornelius family doesn't say anyone understood. But simple fact if there are tongues there should be interpetation. Greatest gift is not tongues it is Love. And I am not the only one that believes tongues can be evidence but not only evidence. See key word in my beliefs is not only evidence. I don't want to sound like a resounding gong. | ||
| ezekiel_37 Advanced Member Username: ezekiel_37 Post Number: 774 Registered: 8-2005 Posted From: 69.192.223.192 |
I'm sorry Turtle.... I see no scripture presented.... Please prove your example. | ||
| turtle Senior Member Username: turtle Post Number: 1111 Registered: 9-2005 Posted From: 151.199.104.75 |
Story of Cornelius is in Acts Chapter ten. Look at when they received the Baptism of the Holy Spirit. | ||
| easeltine Senior Member Username: easeltine Post Number: 1138 Registered: 5-2005 Posted From: 70.143.86.22 |
Acts 10:45-47 - "...because that the Gentiles also was poured out the gift of the Holy Spirit. For they HEARD THEM SPEAK WITH TONGUES, and magnify God. Then answered Peter, Can any man forbid water, that these should not be baptized, which have RECEIVED THE HOLY SPIRIT AS WELL AS WE?" So, they get saved, Baptized in the Holy Spirit, Speak in Tongues, and then they get Water Baptized. * How did they know that they were Baptized in the Holy Spirit? They started speaking in tongues. * What was the experience like? They SPOKE IN TONGUES...JUST LIKE THE DISCIPLES. SPOKE IN TONGUES, NOT IN THEIR OWN LANGUAGE, RATHER TONGUES, ANOTHER LANGUAGE. An unknown tongue is not a language from nothingness, an unknown tongue is a language spoken either on earth or in heaven 13:1. By praying in another language we mean that we are praying in an unknown tongue to us. 1 Cor. 14:14,15 has obviously been interpreted differently by Ezekiel. | ||
| ezekiel_37 Advanced Member Username: ezekiel_37 Post Number: 778 Registered: 8-2005 Posted From: 69.192.223.192 |
Tonges in that verse means LANGUAGES.... the point was......... to spread the Gospel to other nations of people who did not speak the Hebrew or Greek or the certain dialect of the preacher. there is nothing whatsoever there about 'unknown' but that ALL KNEW! not confusion but GLORIFYING GOD...... that's cause God himself speaks through those with the 'GIFT' so that 'ALL' can UNDERSTAND! that's an amazing gift and an awsomme story in Acts 10 but it has nothing to do with unknown languages and everything to do with spreading the WORD! Peace c | ||
| turtle Senior Member Username: turtle Post Number: 1113 Registered: 9-2005 Posted From: 151.199.104.75 |
Easeltine apparently our friend does not understand that tongues there are two types one that we speak in pray. And the other that may or may not be a foreign language to us. I am surprised this debate is still going going going. Like the energizer bunny. | ||
| easeltine Senior Member Username: easeltine Post Number: 1139 Registered: 5-2005 Posted From: 70.143.82.255 |
I know what you mean Turtle. He does not seem to believe that the Disciples "spoke with other tongues, (or languages), as the Spirit gave them utterance." Acts 2:4 He keeps on with the idea that they were speaking in their own language and that somehow their own language was being translated into other languages. He is not taking the entire context of passages into consideration. The fact of the matter is that the disciples were speaking in other known languages, though the language that they were speaking in was unknown to them. * The reason the Translators are calling it unknown is because they have looked at the context and realize that the prayer language, or speaking in tongues is unknown to the speaker. | ||
| easeltine Senior Member Username: easeltine Post Number: 1140 Registered: 5-2005 Posted From: 70.143.82.255 |
Turtle, These Fundamentalist, Dispensationalist types have really been nasty in this debate. I think that they cutout 1 Corinthians 13 along with Chapters 12 and 14. Erich | ||
| ezekiel_37 Advanced Member Username: ezekiel_37 Post Number: 783 Registered: 8-2005 Posted From: 69.192.223.192 |
OK guys.... |
