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am2 (am2)
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Username: am2
Post Number: 326
Registered: 10-2005
Posted From: 137.3.122.49
| | Posted on Friday, December 09, 2005 - 7:48 pm: | 
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who wrote the book of morman, and tell me some scriptural referances to where the bible backs it or predicted that whoever wrote it would come. |
arron (arron)
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Username: arron
Post Number: 777
Registered: 11-2004
Posted From: 66.169.8.34
| | Posted on Friday, December 09, 2005 - 10:34 pm: |
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the book of mormon was written by a decieving man who was an adulterer and a money man |
franklin (franklin)
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Username: franklin
Post Number: 1345
Registered: 11-2004
Posted From: 71.49.13.0
| | Posted on Friday, December 09, 2005 - 11:02 pm: |
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And said that God was once a man. And that man can become a god. |
planetkram (planetkram)
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Username: planetkram
Post Number: 2
Registered: 1-2006
Posted From: 68.205.46.16
| | Posted on Tuesday, January 10, 2006 - 11:04 pm: |
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morMAN? hahaha
I love it how people who have no faith or moral values, sipping on a Budweiser, puffing on a cigarette, surfing porn, dropping the F-bomb every 2 seconds can sit their from their lofty perches and criticize a group of people who worship christ - make a point to follow him and his teachings through out their lives, strengthen their families (as nutty as some of them might be), and strive to be better people - --
I find it interesting how people find a way to criticize that. doesnt make any sense.
Truth is its hard to be Mormon - many slip and fall away - they cant handle it, some get Ex-communicated, some get lazy and never return, many hold grudges. But the truth is, The Mormon church whether you belive its doctrine is a good church that only teaches good things and teaches its people to do good to others.
You have to respect that |
cky (cky)
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Username: cky
Post Number: 97
Registered: 1-2006
Posted From: 137.3.122.49
| | Posted on Wednesday, January 11, 2006 - 6:58 am: |
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Mormons are just plain wacked out, like Jehovah's witnesses.
(Message edited by cky on January 11, 2006) |
rittermonster06 (rittermonster06)
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Username: rittermonster06
Post Number: 2
Registered: 1-2006
Posted From: 66.209.78.66
| | Posted on Wednesday, January 11, 2006 - 11:04 am: |
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Mormons are just plain wacked out, like Jehovah's witnesses.
(Message edited by cky on January 11, 2006)
Classic, two birds in one stone... Give yourself a pat on the back CKY. What of that post did you even have to 'edit' anyway? Didn't want it to be too thought provoking, right?
Anywho, to answer the original question which seems to have been ignored thus far, it depends on who you talk to... Latter-Day Saints believe that the Book of Mormon was written by many ancient prophets spanning from about 600 B.C. all the way up until 421 A.D., and that Joseph Smith Jr. translated these ancient records which were written on golden plates from a language he called Reformed Egyptian into English.
Critics of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints believe that the Book of Mormon is a 19th Century book of fiction. Some believe that he wrote it by himself, others believe he had help from people like Sydney Rigdon, and others believe that he plagiarized ideas from already published books such as "View of the Hebrews" written by Ethan Smith or "Manuscript Found" written by Solomon Spaulding. There are other theories as well, but I am pretty sure these are the most popular.
Peace out. |
rittermonster06 (rittermonster06)
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Username: rittermonster06
Post Number: 3
Registered: 1-2006
Posted From: 66.209.78.66
| | Posted on Wednesday, January 11, 2006 - 11:28 am: |
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And oh yeah, this is not a very good message board...
For a Pro-Mormon message board where you can ask pretty much any question you want and get answers straight from people who believe in the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints, I would recommend http://www.fairboards.org/
For an Ex-Mormon/New Order Mormon viewpoint I would recommend http://www.aimoo.com/forum/freeboard.cfm?id=418550. This site is also a forum with intelligent and understanding people who simply have a different world-view.
Have a good one... |
cky (cky)
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Username: cky
Post Number: 100
Registered: 1-2006
Posted From: 137.3.122.49
| | Posted on Wednesday, January 11, 2006 - 11:52 am: |
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The book of mormon should have been a NY Times bestseller. |
rittermonster06 (rittermonster06)
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Username: rittermonster06
Post Number: 4
Registered: 1-2006
Posted From: 66.209.78.66
| | Posted on Wednesday, January 11, 2006 - 2:15 pm: |
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Fun Fact:
The New York Times wasn't even founded until 1851.
I can see that you have a genuine, sincere and open minded understanding of other people's beliefs, though, so that's cool... |
cky (cky)
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Username: cky
Post Number: 111
Registered: 1-2006
Posted From: 69.29.7.43
| | Posted on Wednesday, January 11, 2006 - 3:10 pm: |
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The bible does say (and Im no christian) that whoever adds to the scriptures shall be in danger of hellfire, does it not? |
rittermonster06 (rittermonster06)
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Username: rittermonster06
Post Number: 5
Registered: 1-2006
Posted From: 66.209.78.66
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Yes it does... In a couple of places as a matter of fact. Critics most often cite the verses at the end of the Book of Revelation:
Revelation 22: 18-19
For I testify to everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this book: If anyone adds to these things, God will add to him the plagues that are written in this book; and if anyone takes away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part from the Book of Life, from the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.
The LDS response? Straight from the FARMS (Foundation for Ancient Research and Mormons Studies) website http://farms.byu.edu/other_questions_evidences.php?id=2&table=questions we find the following response:
The phrases "the prophecy of this book," "the book of this prophecy,"
and "this book" refer only to the book of Revelation. At the time
John recorded those words, the Bible did not exist; there were only separate scrolls
for each book. The first bound Bibles do not appear until the fourth century A.D.
Some of the earliest Bible manuscripts do not end with the book of Revelation
and, in fact, some of them don't even include that book and omit other New
Testament books as well.
There are obviously critiques of this justification, but at least now you can understand how and why the CoJCoLDS believes in additional revelation. |
steelsword (steelsword)
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Username: steelsword
Post Number: 65
Registered: 9-2005
Posted From: 207.192.2.34
| | Posted on Wednesday, January 11, 2006 - 6:40 pm: |
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rittermonster ,I guess you do not adhere to Hebrews 1:1-2.
I think God clearly lays out the plan of Salvation between Genesis- Revelation. Joseph was Quick to change this plan of salvation once he gained power.
When Jesus Spoke (GOD in the Flesh) the spoken was Done. Read his words.
How many of the 5000 new testament manuscripts lack the book of Revelation?
How many manuscripts are their for the Book of mormon. Can we compare the BOM to any manuscripts
to see if their are any missing Books?
http://www.gotquestions.org/books-added-Bible.html |
rittermonster06 (rittermonster06)
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Username: rittermonster06
Post Number: 6
Registered: 1-2006
Posted From: 68.123.66.106
| | Posted on Wednesday, January 11, 2006 - 7:26 pm: |
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Hey Steel,
As you may or may not have noticed (I guess it may be hard to tell), I am not LDS. I actually do adhere to Hebrews 1: 1-2. And as a matter of fact, my reading and interpretation of the Book of Hebrews does not coincide with what the CoJCoLDS teaches at all.
That being said, I do have a problem with people making un-informed, immature posts such as "Mormons are just plain whacked out." I am just answering questions to the best of my ability as to what the LDS Church believes and why... People can do with it what they will. Understanding the faith of others is a good thing, in my opinion. |
steelsword (steelsword)
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Username: steelsword
Post Number: 70
Registered: 9-2005
Posted From: 207.192.2.34
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I when dialoging with the Mormons do also prefer to use fact and not Criticism. As you may not no, I was a Mormon for 23 years. I deal with family who are Mormon every Day.
thanks for your clarification , a lot of my post are for those investigating Christianity as well. |
rittermonster06 (rittermonster06)
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Username: rittermonster06
Post Number: 7
Registered: 1-2006
Posted From: 68.123.66.106
| | Posted on Wednesday, January 11, 2006 - 7:56 pm: |
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I see... What led you out of Mormonism? If you don't mind sharing... |
planetkram (planetkram)
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Username: planetkram
Post Number: 12
Registered: 1-2006
Posted From: 68.205.46.16
| | Posted on Monday, February 20, 2006 - 9:32 pm: |
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Book of Mormon was written by ancient prophets of God, in ancient America - -people lived here, they are children of God too, theywere asked to keep a record -- And I think we'd all be naive to believe that the Bible (record of the Jews) is the only account written of God.
someone had to translate it - - whos gonna do it? You? You, Lt Weinberg? and you want to be my laytex salesman - -sheesh |
iru (iru)
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Username: iru
Post Number: 2
Registered: 2-2006
Posted From: 4.242.3.27
| | Posted on Tuesday, February 21, 2006 - 7:10 pm: |
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Well, to the question waaay up there, the Book of Mormon isn't 'adding' onto the Bible, it is it's "younger brother" imaginarly speaking. |
steelsword (steelsword)
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Username: steelsword
Post Number: 501
Registered: 1-2006
Posted From: 207.192.2.34
| | Posted on Thursday, February 23, 2006 - 8:03 pm: |
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Book of Mormon was written by Joseph Smith and his ability to copy from other texts . Thank God the Book of Mormon is'nt adding to the Bible , because the fiction in it only detracts from the bible, and provides a false gospel. |
godchild (godchild)
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Username: godchild
Post Number: 2696
Registered: 1-2005
Posted From: 4.255.45.23
| | Posted on Thursday, February 23, 2006 - 8:48 pm: |
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Planetkram, How was js able to lift those plates of gold and store them without being found out?
steel, nice to hear from you again. Some of us have been going to the www.cultbusters.com.au site. It has a much easier format for posting and I am really enjoying it. The people there seem sincerely interested in communication, than in mud-slinging. I hope it stays that way. |
steelsword (steelsword)
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Username: steelsword
Post Number: 503
Registered: 1-2006
Posted From: 207.192.2.34
| | Posted on Monday, February 27, 2006 - 6:35 pm: |
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GC,My main computer is down , will sign up when repairs are done shortly. |
godchild (godchild)
Senior Member
Username: godchild
Post Number: 2862
Registered: 1-2005
Posted From: 4.255.43.26
| | Posted on Tuesday, February 28, 2006 - 12:31 am: |
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steel, looking forward to seeing you there. |
crusader
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Username: crusader
Post Number: 9
Registered: 3-2006
Posted From: 164.64.226.19
| | Posted on Tuesday, March 14, 2006 - 4:38 pm: |
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Sidney Rigdon probably had a hand in writing the final version of the BOM, although Mormons deny it; Smith ripped off some of it from "View of the Hebrews," a book extant in Smith's day. Much of it came from Smith's own native intelligence and ability to tell tall stories, as his mother, Lucie, stated.
No portion of the BOM has ever been substantiated by independent archeological facts. While "FARMS," a Mormon apologist group claims archeological evidence, no reputable archeologists have ever substantiated that there was a Nephite or Lamanite civilization in the Americas.
Internal evidence demonstrates beyond a reasonable doubt that the BOM is a 19th century piece of fiction - and not a very good one at that. As Mark Twain quipped, it is chloroform in written form. |
norstar
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Username: norstar
Post Number: 21
Registered: 3-2006
Posted From: 82.133.23.162
| | Posted on Wednesday, March 15, 2006 - 8:04 am: |
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Crusader: "Internal evidence demonstrates beyond a reasonable doubt that the BOM is a 19th century piece of fiction - and not a very good one at that"
Tell me more, I've a copy here, show me the page(s) so I cn pass the news along. |
crusader
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Username: crusader
Post Number: 12
Registered: 3-2006
Posted From: 164.64.226.19
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One has only to be a student of 19th century religious controversy to see that the BOM attempts to resolve the issues of the day. For instance, Campbellism is written right into the BOM, including its emphasis on baptismal regeneration, the manner of baptism and the age of accountability. Moreover, the BOM's repeated use of the Book of Isaiah, right out of the KJV, errors and all, is very suspect. Here is a good link discussing the matter. Also, the Tanners have some great material available on the 19th century origin of Mormonism:
http://home.teleport.com/~packham/card-bom.htm |
godchild
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Username: godchild
Post Number: 3286
Registered: 1-2005
Posted From: 4.255.47.198
| | Posted on Friday, March 17, 2006 - 7:53 am: |
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please send the following link to all people in your address book the following website for the U.S.Government http://www.firstgov.gov/ so that they and you can contact government officials about your concerns for our citizens and the activities by certain organizations. |
free_in_yeshua
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Username: free_in_yeshua
Post Number: 1
Registered: 7-2007
Posted From: 71.208.159.201
| | Posted on Sunday, July 29, 2007 - 11:26 am: |
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Mormonism "revealed" through the occult!!
What is a familiar spirit? Google it to find out more...but this is what I have found out. The scriptures say no man has seen God. Isaiah, Ezekiel, David, even Moses did not see God. But Joseph Smith claims to have seen God and Jesus (who are One), Peter, James, John, Moroni and others. In scriptures, other than Jesus speaking with Moses and Elijah, the only other possibility of someone "seeing" God is Balaam, the pagan priest hired to curse Isra'el, but couldn't. Who did he see? How is it that Joseph Smith, the womanizer, Mason (pagan cult) saw all of these?
Saul lost his crown because he consulted an oracle who directed him to a familiar spirit. A familiar spirit is an evil spirit cloaked in a visible form, claiming to be either God or a messenger from God such as Paul or John. Under the direction of ha Satan, they will tell 100 truths in order to promulgate the BIG LIE. I believe Joseph Smith saw familiar spirits.
What about the Book of Mormon? Well, it could not have been translated by the Urim and Thumim, because they were pieces of parchament paper (not stones) placed between the front and back breastplate of the Cohen Godol. Furthermore, in Nehemiah 7: 60-66 it states that when the Children of Israel returned to Isra'el circa 450 B.C, they found the breastplate with the Urim and Thummim 150 years after the supposed exodus of Lehi and his family.
So who wrote the Book of Mormon? Well, Joseph Smith was consulting with familiar spirits who gave him the "Golden Plates" with "Urim and Thummim" which were not parchament pieces of paper, but stones. Yes, tools of the occult...seer stones. Then the Book of Mormon was "dictated" through tools of the occult with enough truth to deceive the 2-3M still active Mormons. Yes, there are 11M on the records, but probably 10-20% of them are not members, and only 20-40% are active. I have heard the son of one of the mormon greats (Mc) say that new member retention rate is about 10%.
Blessed be the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. |
