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     arron (arron) Advanced Member Username: arron Post Number: 743 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 66.169.8.34 |
here is a forom for pentecostal believer to discuss the different view points in our religion. i believe in the trinity. i belive in the baptisum of THE HOLY GHOST with the tongues as evidence. i am premelinial and am expecting THE LORD to return at any moment. i belive the world will undergo the tribulation for seven years. the beast will be revealed during the seven years. the church will be gone at the rature prior to the seven years. what doo you as pentecostals think? | ||
| rachelengland (rachelengland) Advanced Member Username: rachelengland Post Number: 738 Registered: 5-2005 Posted From: 4.159.5.144 |
aaron this is wonderful-you branched out -but you could of disguised it a bit better if not sees the word pentecostal he's all over this. I grew up in the pentecostal church aaron-I never believed christians would go thru tribulation-but maybe that was wishful thinking-and I'm going to believe you started this thread because the Lord used me to tell you to do so..God Bless Rachel | ||
| arron (arron) Advanced Member Username: arron Post Number: 748 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 66.169.8.34 |
well if not write i will be nice..but i will defend my faith | ||
| rachelengland (rachelengland) Advanced Member Username: rachelengland Post Number: 751 Registered: 5-2005 Posted From: 69.128.222.206 |
not give the guy a break-just pretend none of this exists-if you want to know more about the tribulation open up the back of a bible the book is called revelations it's interesting as heck about as fun as lord of the rings-you can go to the family christian bookstore and get a study guide book that will give you a good outlook- | ||
| rachelengland (rachelengland) Advanced Member Username: rachelengland Post Number: 758 Registered: 5-2005 Posted From: 69.128.222.206 |
aaron i'm afraid this isn't working out here, i don't know how you deal with this I've been deleting posts all morning we might want to do that here and get out before we get in to deep-rachel | ||
| arron (arron) Advanced Member Username: arron Post Number: 752 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 66.169.8.34 |
i wrote this is for those who believe in pentecostal faith.. if some one doesnt believe just dont write.. simple. anony.. i belive that there is ONE GOD revealed AS GOD THE FATHER THE SON AND THE HOLY GHOST. i do not want to get into a discussion about why or how here. i believe in the trinity. i also believe that people who differ on these things sre still saved. only thoses who havent recieved JESUS as LORD. are not saved. write anything you wont to here as that is what it is far to find the different belivfs among we who are pentecostal, and perhaps have discussions about it. | ||
| arron (arron) Advanced Member Username: arron Post Number: 759 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 66.169.8.34 |
no offense to any one who doesnt believe in pentecost but i do and i am trying to hear from those who have different beliefs about the pentecostal way. we do not want any argueing just your comments. | ||
| easeltine (easeltine) Advanced Member Username: easeltine Post Number: 966 Registered: 5-2005 Posted From: 66.124.169.105 |
Arron, I am not actually a Pentecostal. I am a non-denominational Charismatic that believes in many of the same doctrines that Pentecostals believe in. For instance: 1. The Bible is the Inerrant, Infallible, Inspired Word of God. All my doctrines and life is subject to the Scriptures. 2. I believe in the doctrine of God the same as most Pentecostals, (except UPC), which is the same as Baptists and other Protestants. 3. I believe that salvation is only found in the Lord Jesus Christ, (John 14:6), which is the same as Baptists and other Protestants. 4. I believe the same way as Pentecostals, (and D.L. Moody, and R.A. Torrey types of Fundamentalists), in that the Baptism of the Holy as an additional experience that every Christian should know whether they have or not. 5. I believe the same way as Pentecostals, (with a slight modification), that the evidence of speaking in tongues was a major evidence of the Baptism of the Holy Spirit in Acts, 2, 8, 10, and 19. Also 1 Cor. 12-14 explains the different types of tongues. What is a little bit different that Pentecostals is that I believe that a believer may be Baptized in the Holy Spirit and that another Charismata Gift of the Holy Spirit as described in 1 Cor. 12-14 could be their evidence of the Baptism of the Holy Spirit. Though I believe that all believers may receive the prayer language of the Spirit if sought for, though the Gifts of Tongues w/ Interpretation is different than the prayer language. Erich | ||
| godchild (godchild) Senior Member Username: godchild Post Number: 1151 Registered: 1-2005 Posted From: 4.255.43.49 |
easeltine, Please make a simple list: place what you call the 'different' types of tongues on that list. | ||
| anoynomous (anoynomous) Member Username: anoynomous Post Number: 87 Registered: 10-2005 Posted From: 64.53.137.20 |
most people do not understand the set up of the BIBLE (4 GOSPELS) - preparatory to the preaching of the gospel (ACTS ) - shows the way into the true CHURCH (ROMANS- JUDE) - written to the CHURCH people already filled with the SPIRIT OF GOD failing to understand to whom books were written explain why some people confuse speaking in tongues in 1 CORINTHIANS with speaking in tongues in the book of ACTS BOOK OF ACTS records how people enter the CHURCH 1 CORINTHIANS teaches people how to act in the CHURCH. therefore people would understand that tongues that beleivers speak when entering the CHURCH need no interpretation . While the gift of tongues used to edify the CHURCH by public message need an interpretation. | ||
| arron (arron) Advanced Member Username: arron Post Number: 761 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 66.169.8.34 |
i am just taking a guess.. JESUS BEN JOSEPH???? EARTHLY NAME.. HEAVENLY NAME IMANUEL | ||
| belong2jesus (belong2jesus) Intermediate Member Username: belong2jesus Post Number: 197 Registered: 12-2004 Posted From: 210.212.241.130 |
I'm not Pentecostal and never will be. Turtle and Arron, what I may have in common with you guys may be: I believe in salvation through the blood when a soul repents of his or her sins, I believe in water baptism to be administered in the name of the Father, Son and the Holy Spirit. I believe in the triune God-head: God the Father, Son and the Holy Spirit. I believe in the Holy Spirit baptism with the biblical evidence of speaking in tongues, which is different from the gift of tongues. I believe in laying on of hands for healing(Pentecostals call it 'divine healing'), laying on of hands to receive the Holy Spirit, laying on of hands to impart spiritual gifts and laying on of hands to send people on mission. I believe in resurrection of the dead, and in the end I believe in eternal judgment. However, I don't agree with Pentecostals in many things: I don't believe women should cover their heads, I don't believe women are forbidden to preach, I don't believe the Holy Spirit baptism is the end , but a beginning to a greater reality of God. I don't believe one needs the Holy Spirit baptism to enter heaven. I don't believe women are not allowed to wear ornaments and so forth. Yet people push me off as a Pentecostal. I am not. I come from a hindu background and I don't belong to any denomination, and never will. | ||
| arron (arron) Advanced Member Username: arron Post Number: 762 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 66.169.8.34 |
oh yes and about THE NAME .. JUESUS ... THE CHRIST (ANOINTED ONE ) | ||
| easeltine (easeltine) Advanced Member Username: easeltine Post Number: 968 Registered: 5-2005 Posted From: 64.136.27.225 |
Godchild, "easeltine, Please make a simple list: place what you call the 'different' types of tongues on that list." 1. The speaking in Tongues given in the Book of Acts when believers received the experience called the Baptism of the Holy Spirit. Many of us believe that this is a secondary experience after salvation. See Acts Chapter 2,8,10, and 19. 2. The speaking in Tongues given as a private communication with God, called the prayer language of the Spirit by Pentecostals and Charismatics. See 1 Corinthians 14:1-4, 15, Jude 20, Romans 8:26-27, Ephesians 6:18. Pay particular attention to the words found in 1 Corinthians 14:1-4 - "For anyone who speaks in a tongue does not speak to man but to God. Indeed no one understands him; he utters mysteries in the spirit...He who speaks in a tongue edifies himself..." 3. The Gift of Tongues for the Body of the Christ and are signs for unbelievers. These are usually followed by an interpretation. - 1 Corinthians 12:10, 14:5, 22. My mom had a friend by the name of Naomi that was a missionary a few decades ago to the Papago Reservation in Arizona. Naomi was an Assembly of God Pentecostal and had learned Dutch while growing up. She went into a church one day and a lady stood up and spoke in perfect Dutch. Naomi was the only one in the church that knew Dutch and the word was specific for her and did not need an interpretation. The word said, "The Lord wants you to leave this church and never return to it." If this was a word from God it shows that God can work outside any box I can make regarding Gifts of the Holy Spirit. There are many languages - 1 Corinthians 13:1 says, "Though I speak in the tongues of men and of angels and have not love I have become as a noisy gong or a clanging cymbal." - From memory so check me out. The point is that any language ever spoken by men or angels can be used in the Gifts of Tongues. "You can be a righteous rocker or a holy roller you can be most anything, You can be a Leon Russell or a super muscle you can be a corporate king, You can be a wealthy man from Texas or a witch with heavy hexes BUT WITHOUT LOVE YOU AIN'T NOTHING' WITHOUT LOVE - Larry Norman Love is key. Also, remember that 1 Corinthians was written to the Corinthians who were incorrectly using tongues, almost the same way that many Pentecostals incorrectly use tongues. Erich | ||
| belong2jesus (belong2jesus) Intermediate Member Username: belong2jesus Post Number: 204 Registered: 12-2004 Posted From: 59.145.99.10 |
Amen to you, Erich. I have often found the Pentecostals tongue-possessed too. The evidence of the Holy Spirit baptism is very unusual one. Taking the Bible as my only manual, I haven't found one instance where the evidence is any other than speaking in tongues. Let me take personal experience: I have attended countless churches that believed in the Holy Spirit baptism, but never have I seen one person receive the Holy Spirit without speaking in tongues. I know countless Christians who have received the Holy Spirit baptism with the evidence of speaking in tongues, and who have none of the 9 Gifts working in their lives. I haven't witnessed or read of anyone receiving any of the 9 genuine gifts without initially speaking in tongues. The Baptism in the Spirit is a baptism of yielding to God's power for witnessing. When a person receives the Spirit, he will speak in a new language which he hasn't previously learned. Jesus spoke of this when he said the Holy Spirit would speak or testify when He came, and that the disciples would be witnesses. And that's exactly what the Holy Spirit did each time He came to make His abode in a soul. I believe, everytime the Holy Spirit makes His abode in a soul, He speaks the wonderful works of God in another language, and thus glorifying God. If it's in the bible, I will agree. If it's not, then there is no basis for discussion. Sidharth | ||
| easeltine (easeltine) Advanced Member Username: easeltine Post Number: 969 Registered: 5-2005 Posted From: 66.124.169.105 |
Tod, You are a Catholic. Read the Apostles, Nicene, and Athanasian Creeds to get you answer.  You don't want a non-Catholic to give you the answer from your church's own resource materials do you? Erich | ||
| arron (arron) Advanced Member Username: arron Post Number: 764 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 66.169.8.34 |
merry CHRISTmas to all . i dont belive in the happy hoildays greeting i say merry CHRISTmas to you | ||
| godchild (godchild) Senior Member Username: godchild Post Number: 1164 Registered: 1-2005 Posted From: 4.255.44.69 |
tod, If you've read the Bible, you will see they did not have 'last' names. History shows when people began to take last names, it was usually the name of their trade: Smith for a blacksmith, etc.. When slaves were freed, they usually took the name of their former owner. | ||
| rachelengland (rachelengland) Advanced Member Username: rachelengland Post Number: 831 Registered: 5-2005 Posted From: 4.159.5.128 |
In the Bible a person's name was usually followed by a city they were from such as Jesus of Nazareth-it's also very rare in the Bible you see two people with same first name with the exception of John and Mary I don't know many others.. | ||
| rachelengland (rachelengland) Advanced Member Username: rachelengland Post Number: 832 Registered: 5-2005 Posted From: 4.159.5.128 |
In the Bible a person's name was usually followed by a city they were from such as Jesus of Nazareth-it's also very rare in the Bible you see two people with the same first name I know there are a few exceptions.. | ||
| arron (arron) Advanced Member Username: arron Post Number: 769 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 66.169.8.34 |
what does ti matter what HIS last NAME IS i call HIM LORD, MASTER, GOD ALMGHTY, SAVIOR, HEALER, MIGHTY GOD THE EVERLASTING FATHER THE PRINCE OF PEACE... HE is my ALL IN ALL | ||
| belong2jesus (belong2jesus) Intermediate Member Username: belong2jesus Post Number: 207 Registered: 12-2004 Posted From: 59.144.5.195 |
In the Epistle to those at Colosse, Paul mentions a person by the name Justus called Jesus. There are more than one Judas , more than one Simon. Never make such conclusions from limited knowledge of the bible. Take things in the light of the whole world. As for this case it is OK, but when it comes to doctrines, most denominations isolate a particular verse, instead of considering the context and instead of comparing it with the whole Bible. Sidharth | ||
| godchild (godchild) Senior Member Username: godchild Post Number: 1170 Registered: 1-2005 Posted From: 4.255.41.246 |
tod, Your daughter asking Biblical questions is wonderful. I don't know how old she is but there are some wonderful children's Bibles out there. Might make a nice Christmas gift. Just a suggestion. | ||
| arron (arron) Advanced Member Username: arron Post Number: 779 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 66.169.8.34 |
you say you are catholic.. then ask the question of your faith. it would be contrary to your faith if someone who did not know were to answer. it really doesnt matter what HIS last NAME is. HE is JESUS THE CHRIST. you may want to read in matthew first chapter it tells of names for JESUS. | ||
| arron (arron) Advanced Member Username: arron Post Number: 788 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 66.169.8.34 |
tod i asked you on another post about hell and purgotory.. i do believ in hell but not in pergortory i forgot to put that in the last post. i pray you will not be offended by this question. i do not know any devout catholics just ones who say they are catholic but never go to the church most have never been period. that is why i am asking you. | ||
| easeltine (easeltine) Advanced Member Username: easeltine Post Number: 970 Registered: 5-2005 Posted From: 64.136.27.225 |
Tod, The most famous American classic Bible story book is the Egermeir's Bible Story Book. The book is for children around 9-12 years old. Go to: http://cgi.ebay.com/Children-EGERMEIERS-BIBLE-STORY-BOOK-Bishop-NEW_W0QQitemZ8022053030QQcategoryZ279QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem Erich | ||
| cs1 (cs1) Member Username: cs1 Post Number: 97 Registered: 10-2005 Posted From: 138.163.0.44 |
When you ask Jesus to forgive you your sin's Rom 10:9-10 and confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus you are saved. The Holy Spirit comes into live the breath of life( logus) The Power of the Holy Spirit clothes you to be a witness of him acts 1:8 2:4 mark 16 1cor chapter 12, 13, 14 In the old testament the Holy Spirit came upon Some to do a work for the Lord. Now The Holy Spirit is for every believer to equip them for the task at hand. Joel spoke of this the pouring out of His Spirit. Yes you are right this is not the end just the beginning for the work at hand But with out love !!!! The gifts are nothing But in Love, they are everything. | ||
| arron (arron) Advanced Member Username: arron Post Number: 797 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 66.169.8.34 |
tod thanks for the info. our BIBLE dosent teach the doctrine of pergortory so i didnt know what it was that you all meant by it. i beleive that all believers go to heaven when thya die and do not have to go to any other place to be purged for they are already cleansed by THE BLOOD OF JESUS. i beleive if they are unsaved, they got to hell then. there is not waiting period. thanks for your info. like i said i never knew a catholic just ones who said they were catholic but didnt got to the church or that had never been jsut said they were because it made thm look ggod or something. | ||
| arron (arron) Advanced Member Username: arron Post Number: 910 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 66.169.8.34 |
not saw where you posted i am writting on all posts that we are on so write again GOD bless | ||
| arron (arron) Advanced Member Username: arron Post Number: 972 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 68.119.32.209 |
no never | ||
| arron (arron) Advanced Member Username: arron Post Number: 999 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 68.119.32.209 |
no there are many on here that are saved but some are not. all who believe in JESUS as LORD AND SAVIOR are saved |
