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godchild (godchild)
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Username: godchild
Post Number: 1059
Registered: 1-2005
Posted From: 4.255.40.89
| | Posted on Wednesday, November 30, 2005 - 11:53 am: | 
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not, all these repetitive threads are wasting people's valuable time. Especially starting one that is already here. |
ihavesinned (ihavesinned)
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Username: ihavesinned
Post Number: 935
Registered: 9-2005
Posted From: 71.112.180.149
| | Posted on Wednesday, November 30, 2005 - 12:25 pm: |
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At Pentecostal church, do they serve kool-aid in little styrofoam cups. If so it might be a cult. |
arron (arron)
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Username: arron
Post Number: 654
Registered: 11-2004
Posted From: 66.169.8.34
| | Posted on Wednesday, November 30, 2005 - 3:23 pm: |
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the devil give a false strength to his own. they feel they are stronger than any one including GOD ALMIGHTY. but JESUS .. IS... and HE IS THE STRONG MAN WHO WILL OVERCOME ALL IN THE END |
arron (arron)
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Username: arron
Post Number: 668
Registered: 11-2004
Posted From: 66.169.8.34
| | Posted on Wednesday, November 30, 2005 - 3:51 pm: |
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hey turtle you and i are famous according to not |
rachelengland (rachelengland)
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Username: rachelengland
Post Number: 658
Registered: 5-2005
Posted From: 69.128.222.206
| | Posted on Wednesday, November 30, 2005 - 3:57 pm: |
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Hi Not hope your having a good day-keep aaron busy over here so we can keep our heads on straight on the other threads-how's the weather there in Bwoston cold here in Michigan poured myself a hot toddy little chris cornell and I'm ready to roll-take care |
rachelengland (rachelengland)
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Username: rachelengland
Post Number: 666
Registered: 5-2005
Posted From: 69.128.222.206
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thanks not! listen there's a new forum out there where you can go and voice your opinion about who offends you without getting slammed maybe you should do that-i worry about you in here-your fighting an uphill battle or maybe that's downhill anyway glad I found ya in here because i find many don't agree with me on the pentecostal church thing
(Message edited by rachelengland on December 01, 2005)
(Message edited by rachelengland on December 01, 2005) |
anoynomous (anoynomous)
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Username: anoynomous
Post Number: 78
Registered: 10-2005
Posted From: 64.53.137.20
| | Posted on Thursday, December 01, 2005 - 10:43 am: |
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do any one know what took place on
the DAY OF PENTECOST
READ ACTS CHAPTER 2 NOT ONLY DID THE PROMISE
OF THE HOLY GHOST COME WITH THE EVIDENCE OF
SPEAKING IN TONGUES AS THE SPIRIT GAVE THE UTTERANCE ALSO PETER PREACHED ABOUT JESUS
AND PEOPLE GOT BAPTISED IN THE NAME OF JESUS CHRIST PETER PREACHED THAT MESSAGE SO EVERYONE
UNDERSTOOD SO TONGUES WAS A MIRACLE OF GOD'S
DOING SHOWING HIS COMING INTO YOUR BEING. |
godchild (godchild)
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Username: godchild
Post Number: 1114
Registered: 1-2005
Posted From: 4.255.44.163
| | Posted on Friday, December 02, 2005 - 3:21 pm: |
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If you want to know my opinions, read the past posts. I'm not up to rehashing this again. |
godchild (godchild)
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Username: godchild
Post Number: 1119
Registered: 1-2005
Posted From: 4.255.43.200
| | Posted on Friday, December 02, 2005 - 7:36 pm: |
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Being on here isn't a waste of time except when I have to read the same things over and over again. And it is not YOUR thread. It is factnet's thread the minute anyone posts one.
Even when people don't answer, you keep asking. Doesn't this tell you something? |
godchild (godchild)
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Username: godchild
Post Number: 1120
Registered: 1-2005
Posted From: 4.255.43.200
| | Posted on Friday, December 02, 2005 - 7:37 pm: |
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I mean, it's gotten so bad, not only everyone else was/is sick of hearing the same posts from you and arron, even not and aaron are sick of them. |
arron (arron)
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Username: arron
Post Number: 689
Registered: 11-2004
Posted From: 66.169.8.34
| | Posted on Friday, December 02, 2005 - 8:30 pm: |
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i have tried to express my views on tongues and have been put down by one or more on this board. why.. i dont know i dont use the lanquage some do and still say they are saved. i have been told that i am not saved. i just wonder why some are against tongues. can anyone answer???????? |
godchild (godchild)
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Username: godchild
Post Number: 1121
Registered: 1-2005
Posted From: 4.255.40.206
| | Posted on Friday, December 02, 2005 - 10:20 pm: |
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Arron, I've never said I don't believe you are not a Christian. It isn't for us to judge who is Christian and who is not. The problem I have is not with you. I hope, somehow, someday, you will understand. God bless. |
arron (arron)
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Username: arron
Post Number: 699
Registered: 11-2004
Posted From: 66.169.8.34
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thanks again godchild.. at least though we may disagree we can still be friends. i would be even with the one who is accusing me but it doesnt look like they want that. |
godchild (godchild)
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Username: godchild
Post Number: 1127
Registered: 1-2005
Posted From: 4.255.40.250
| | Posted on Saturday, December 03, 2005 - 12:38 am: |
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Well, we're not here to please people, but to glorify the Lord. Friends we shall be. I understand your commitment and admire it. It is important that I be allowed to voice my opinion and my interpretation of scripture, but not to antagonize you or anyone else. I know you will miss turtle. You have friends here. |
easeltine (easeltine)
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Username: easeltine
Post Number: 961
Registered: 5-2005
Posted From: 64.136.27.225
| | Posted on Saturday, December 03, 2005 - 1:49 pm: |
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Churchwork, his real name is Troy Brooks, is stating that Pentecostalism is a cult on the other thread. Troy is the most extreme anti-Pentecostalism poster that I have seen on Factnet.
Erich |
easeltine (easeltine)
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Username: easeltine
Post Number: 962
Registered: 5-2005
Posted From: 64.136.27.225
| | Posted on Saturday, December 03, 2005 - 1:54 pm: |
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Some of you have disagreed about speaking in tongues and have made comments about it that you should not have made. Toby has taken the issue to a different level, it is a level that comes to the conclusion that Pentecostals are going to hell BECAUSE they speak in tongues. |
arron (arron)
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Username: arron
Post Number: 758
Registered: 11-2004
Posted From: 66.169.8.34
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easeltine.. he may be but you havent met one i encountered. they lie and call every one pentecostal that they are hell bound. no hope for any of them. and they still say they are saved. |
r2den2 (r2den2)
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Username: r2den2
Post Number: 1
Registered: 12-2005
Posted From: 68.9.148.229
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the people a phoony liers ... hows that |
r2den2 (r2den2)
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Post Number: 2
Registered: 12-2005
Posted From: 68.9.148.229
| | Posted on Saturday, December 10, 2005 - 12:50 pm: |
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Greetings All,
If you heard this story of those lovely, down to earth, friendly, UPC Pentecostals..
The lies, the assalts, the abuse..
you wouldnt go to a Church again in your life |
arron (arron)
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Username: arron
Post Number: 783
Registered: 11-2004
Posted From: 66.169.8.34
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i am one of the pentecostals. i pray i am friendly, and lovely too if you mean that in a JESUS sort of way. i do not tell lies i do not assault or abuse any one. i go to church regularly. i am not upc. pentecostal i am trinity pentecostal. be good THE LORD BLESS YOU. |
arron (arron)
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Username: arron
Post Number: 785
Registered: 11-2004
Posted From: 66.169.8.34
| | Posted on Saturday, December 10, 2005 - 6:03 pm: |
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the kind of abuse you were referring to. |
arron (arron)
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Username: arron
Post Number: 786
Registered: 11-2004
Posted From: 66.169.8.34
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r2den2.. what kind of abuse is it the kind you were makeing reference eto. i still dont abuse anyone |
r2den2 (r2den2)
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Username: r2den2
Post Number: 3
Registered: 12-2005
Posted From: 68.9.148.229
| | Posted on Sunday, December 11, 2005 - 12:28 am: |
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tod,arron
I'm not much of a communicator,and my spelling stinks. But the best that I can describe the issue is using passive aggresiveness as chrisianity. In other words I can lie, but as long as I repent to GOD, and treat you with "my" politeness, I did it the right way.
2nd- I was 18 when I 1st discovered the Apostolic movement, coming from a highly dis functional home alcholic father, involved with drugs, violence, drinking, and beaking the law. Never gone to a Church or relegion in my life dove right into the Born Again teachings, strict standards of Church. In other words I was lonely and looking for the right direction.
About 3 years later I found my self in Jackson ,MI enrolled in one of there colleges. That lasted for about 4 months. Most of the kids there were 2nd,3rd,4th generation UPC, and were sent there. These kids were there to get the teens out of them and sow there oats. I was 21 drove a taxi for 3 years, lived in a studio apartment, owned a ford pinto with no floor boards, to get me there for the 1st 6 months and go from there. Actually I had no intenions of ever returning to home again. But then again I had not expierenced real "Relegion". My mom got me a plane ticket home, even though it was a good change for me, she did not like the Church or its teachings, speaking of which niether did anyone whom I had known. Most were Catholic, and still are.
After returning home, less then a month later, I had a new car, high salary paying job for the time, and a girlfriend. We lived together for a few years, and married. Bought a house, and a few years later, were divorced. My fault, she was older the I and had 4 kids. Something I should not have done, but I guess my lonelyness talked us both into making a mistake.
Which brings us to about '96. I visited the person whom had introduced Church into my life. Started going with her, to the one that she attented. She was married and I knew her husbond and there were no issuies there, it was the other women in the church whom had made comments and if I were to go to Church it was in a differant vehicle, no communication, or a differant Church.
So one Sunday I just appeared in a Church and on wednesdays, Sundays and the few other events there I was. Digging into my pocket, doing some kind of labor, offering my services. Which to quote the pastors daughtor, were not good enough.
It was about 2 years before I had begun any kind of friendship with anyone, I guess I had to prove my christianty 1st,and that I was as serious with GOD as HE is with me.
3rd- three are more then several more then embarrsing incidents, such as reaching over and taking the food of your plate, using your napkin to wipe the face and throw it on your plate, being refered to as a useless piece of ••••, that comes from the pastors daughter. Accused of having desires for others wives,dont forget the big one, being completly uterly totally non exsistant you are a bug ignored. When you want more I can give you.
4th- the abuse in question.. a 300 pound fe-male africian-amercian,one of the waumbats how hover over you to make sure your praying in the pew, had made it cleary known, in her Sunday nite testamony that I am a Christian Scientest and thru out more then several occasions and to quote " I DO NOT TRUST YOUR CHRISTIANITY"... my responce and to quote, "nither do I... but niether one of are the judge... Sister".
**** That is the equivalent to my speaking to this indivuale**** I have spoken less the 20 words to this person, in my life...
**** ALSO MANY OF THE PEOPLE IN THIS CHURCH.... there are more then several people there whom I had neve spoken to, other then the 1st hi, years ago******
now for the day you all have been waiting for, it was a July 4th 2003 & graduation party for one of the church teens. It was late in the day and I had entered the house. Were there was cleaning up and circles of chat, and my JUGDE in the corner with her hands on her hips and that dear in the head lite look. I was offered a piece of cake, with out a fork. There was a fork on the table next to some one sitting there, I said "hi" and are you using this fork. The person said "no, go ahead and use it", I did, and we started a conversation. Well, there was a tap on my shoulder and a 300 pound fe-male-Christion- GOD FILLED-afercian americian accusing me of stealing her fork. While I was chewing my food, and the next portion ready, she "RIPPED" the fork out of my hand, and at the top of her voice " you stole my fork", I said, "Sister Judy I did not steal your fork and if you would like anthor I will get you one"... she said nobody gets the fork and snapped it in 2 and threw it on the table. I felt tears rolling down my check, and heard "O my GOD's" in the back ground. Put the un used food on the table and walked out of the house in tears { fuc^&#$# wimp} and got in my car drove to a freinds house for comfort. And was reminded from the beging of that HELL HOLE church, and how much my life has been actually ruined.
*** It was recommended that I call the authorities and have it arrested for assult. I said no, it is against or club policy, I have the document that we do not under any circumstance have any one of us brought to court. All issuies "MUST" go thru the pastor and GOD****
Not a word of this incident had ever been spoken, by me, to any one.
I did notice less respect on my Wednesday & Sunday... less hellos in the hall, short and quck chats and go home. Wait for Wednesday then Sunday. One day the club leader just looked at me and walked away.
Then comes July 2nd 2004. I called and left a message on my JUDGES answering machine, and reminded it of the day and using profane language and bad words, not to ever rip a fork out of my hand while I am eating, and I dare it to do it again.
My judge had me aressted. And placed a restraining order upon me. $2000.00 to appear in court & $3000.00 for a lawer.
The charge placed against me carried a 6 month jail sentence.
The lawer suggested that I gather referance letters on my character, and begin voulantry theorpy. Which I did.
I gathered some 20 letters from family and friends, whom had wondered why I have none from the friends I had made at this club. I had not asked them, so I was told to go to them and see what they say.
So I made a few calls and requested this favor, and was told I would be happy to help you.
Of the 6 I had asked, I only recieved one. And I had to pin this one down in the corner.
My famliy demanded I request a meeting with the leader, to talk this out. FOR I WAS GOING TO JAIL, and the law was in charge now. It was that serious.
The leader was not interisted in a meeting,he was busy and it took a plea from a friend to arrange the meeting.
The meeting took place and my mom wanted to attend. COME TO FIND OUT THAT WAS THE LAST PERSON TO HAVE CHOSEN, IN THE LEADERS EYES, A NON UPC MEMBER,MY MOTHER, SHE WOULD LIE, CHEAT, STEAL, MURDER, COMMIT ANY CRIME TO PROTECT HER OLDEST SON. That is what the man whom I trusted because he lead me to believe that my creator placed him here and teachs the Christ whom DWELLS in him and carries a Bible, thinks of my mother, that was pretty hard to swallow, but at least we are going to HELL together, and I love my mom, and that is what really matters.
The leader had a elder attend the meeting and what came out was:
some 2 years ago I had approched the womem and declared upon her "that the healing she had recieved from GOD was not of GOD, but Christian Science", & that justified her Sunday nite testomonies and any comments from her to me.
And that he had heard something of the fork incident and that if I had any speculation of her bitternes towards me I should not have entered the house. And if I had any bitterness towards her I should be begging her forgiveness.
AS I had stated before, the amount of words ever spoken to that JUDGE was less then 20.
Even my Christian Scientest freind can testify that I do not beleive in the teachings of Mary Eddy-Baker.
The Leader of the club does not beieve so.
I have done many wrong things and have said even stupider things...
BUT I DID NOT UTTER ANY WORD THAT JUDGE SAYS I SAID... AND I AM GOING TO HELL FOR BELIEVING SO
Also what came out of the woodwork, is that a certain few of the females have been chatting in the leaders office for years, telling him of the to passionate attraction I seem to have for them, and things that I have said and done.
***THINGS THAT NEVER HAPPENED OR OCCURED, BUT YET I HAVE TO ACCEPT AND GO TO HELL ****
Also, the fact that these charges are being pressed by that women are a lie, from the lawer and there is no restraining order placed upon me.
We showed him the paper work and evedenlty it is a lie if I choose to believe it and I should get a differnt lawer, this one is "shafting you" he says.
It was prommised that he would see to it that she drop the charges, and we would have a meeting to solve any bitterness.
A close freind had sent the leader an e-mail askingthat he put a little more concern into this situation and it is a lot more serious then he believes. AND THE RESTRAINING ORDER IS KEEPING FROM ENTERING THAT BUILDING WHILE SHE IS THERE.
His responce to that friend was that he put more time into this then I deserved and that he should have, that JUDGE has every right to have me arrested AND prosocuted, the restraining order {which does not exsist} is the best thing and that my level of Christianty while attending that church is that of one who does not attend..AND his closeing comment was that he regrets that I have recutited that person in this. I have the document, been reading it for two years, nearly every day.
**well little did he know, I was not recuiting them, they were recuitng me...and it was that church who is full of phoony lies, no the other ones...***
Two weeks later, the day of the sentencing, the prosacutor stated that the victim is still in fear of her life and recommends full sentence, I have the document.
The lawer showed the prosacutor the e-mail from the leader saying that she is willing to drop all the charges.
The same day the prosacutor claims he spoke to the victim,per confusion of the e-mail and once again stated that she is in fear of her life and demands a 50 foot distence.
That judge gave me 1 year probation, and not to come any closer the 50 feet of this person. And recommended finding anthor church.
About a month after the sentencing, moving on in a theropy session, my cell phone rings. I answer here the voice asking my name and it ws my JUDGE.
I closed the lid, DID NOT SAY A WORD, just hung it up.
And I got what I wanted, to slam the door in there face and it ws over... closer
the sessoin went very well after that.
well, get this are you ready, I hope your sitting down and not to bored by now...
recieved and e-mail a few days later from that leader, saying that Ms. Singleton, attempted to contact me and when she did, I did nothing but cuss her out. And that there is nothing any one can do for me, they will continue to pray for me, and there are other "UPC" churchs in the state that "I CAN HIDE MY SELF IN"....
and now... according to the UPC CHURCH, I am and abmomination to quote a UPC member, "I'm not even worth praying for"....
now I live my life, trying to believe that I am worth praying for, I am not a useless piece of ••••, and that this is not a dream.
thanks for reading... |
arron (arron)
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Post Number: 791
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Posted From: 66.169.8.34
| | Posted on Sunday, December 11, 2005 - 7:31 am: |
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r2den2 .. i am pentecostal. i am not however upc. i believe in the trinity. that would never have happened in our church. i feel for you as i know it hurt. please do not think all pentecostals are crazy |
godchild (godchild)
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Username: godchild
Post Number: 1178
Registered: 1-2005
Posted From: 4.255.42.205
| | Posted on Sunday, December 11, 2005 - 12:44 pm: |
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r2den2, It seems you have been hanging onto this episode in your life far too long. Tear up that piece of paper you keep reading and consider yourself blessed to get out of that church. You are worth something, cause God don't make no junk! It is your choice, no one else's, whether you are a victim or a victor. There are so many other churches out there that you would be welcome at. I think it is good that you have gotten this off your chest by writing about it. Now you can move forward. |
r2den2 (r2den2)
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Registered: 12-2005
Posted From: 68.9.148.229
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I am forced to dis agree for eternity.
There are no other Church's.
The UPCI, "IS" the Church of the living GOD. The people, the doctrine, the ways, are "chosen", hand picked by GOD.
Every thing a UPCI Pentecostal "SAINT" says and does, thinks, is of Holy design.
When you have been shunned, in accordence to GODs will & way, what Church is left ? WSY ?
I was instructed by GOD to go and hide myself some where, where GODS people are not.
THe one down the street? the one where for 20 years have been taught there going to HELL, for believeing and teaching GOD in the wrong way?
you mean go from a big fat cadalac to a bike with bent wheels?
According to GOD-Church-& State, loosers dont have a place... only in HELL
we have no cival rights, the right to speak, the right to be "YOU", the right to think, the right to believe the way I chose to believe, the Consistituion is merly a piece of paper. THe Church by-laws are just a piece of paper.
All thoughts, actions, are from the pit of HELL, aka- home for eternity.
20 years of being trained, no other Churchs have the truth & the way...
which Church should I try...
or ask GOD...
GOD shunned me from HIS...
and I ask why?
for I chose not to believe the lies of HIS chosen people? I did and said what others say I have done, and deserve a life of living HELL & then eternity in HELL, for saying "no more !!!!"
I regeret ever walking into a relegion on July 6, 1983. I wish I never read the Bible.
I wish things were the way they were 22 years ago. I wish I never knew who I was or what I am, or the HELL I am going to. I wish I never heard of the UPCI. I wish I listend to my family 22 years ago and trusted them.
Rather then a man with a Bible. |
godchild (godchild)
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Username: godchild
Post Number: 1183
Registered: 1-2005
Posted From: 4.255.43.238
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The church you have defined is not a church of God. Why do I say this. The Bible tells us we must worship in spirit and truth. This church worships by the law and not the spirit. God does not appoint us to be judges. They have taken away free will.
If you had been worshiping God and not the church, nothing could have separated you from Him. |
arron (arron)
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Post Number: 798
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Posted From: 66.169.8.34
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the upc church is not the true church. from some of their beliefs they are classed as out side the pentecostal faith. the ones i have had contact with both outside of their churches and inside them are very fanaticalabout baptisum. they told one lady that goes to our church that was in the hospital ( the pastor did ) that he came by to be sure she knew she needed to be bapised in THE NAME OF JESUS so she could get to heaven. i had another pastor tell me that THE BLOOD did not save a person that they had to be baptised in JESUS NAME in order to be saved. we are sved by believing in JESUS not by being bapised. |
belong2jesus (belong2jesus)
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Post Number: 258
Registered: 12-2004
Posted From: 59.145.99.10
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Hey NOT, Pentacostals seem better than you. I see humility and love from Arron and Easeltine, but see Arrogance and hatred from you, Godchild, Rachel and so forth. Who decides who is the Christian? The Word does.
For your information, I am not a Pentacostal nor a Charismatic.
Sidharth |
arron (arron)
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Post Number: 913
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Posted From: 66.169.8.34
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hey not where are you i saw where you posted again. come on write we are praying for you GOD bless |
arron (arron)
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Post Number: 949
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Posted From: 66.169.8.34
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new testament... matthew chapter 27 verses 26-35
mark chapter 15 verses 20-39
luke chapter 24 verses 42-47
john chapter 19 verses 16-18
this is the kjv and read the whole of the chapter to get the full story. this is our version of the bible not the catholic for i do not know the catholic version. |
arron (arron)
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Username: arron
Post Number: 1068
Registered: 11-2004
Posted From: 68.119.32.209
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a cult leader arnold murray of shepherds chapel is very decieving. he has a question and answer period on his "show " sometimes and one will ask a question by writting in. he goes around and around and never come to or give an answer. his son does the same thing. it is all just as cultic as can be also they believe in the serpents seed which is a lie striaght from hell. eve did not have a child by the devil that is stupid. |
kevykev35 (kevykev35)
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Post Number: 102
Registered: 9-2005
Posted From: 68.160.22.177
| | Posted on Thursday, January 19, 2006 - 3:02 pm: |
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So they are in the same boat your in arron? You being in a cult and all..They probably have a lot to say to you too. |
cs1 (cs1)
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Posted From: 138.162.0.41
| | Posted on Thursday, January 19, 2006 - 3:22 pm: |
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Brother arron
don't worry about brother murray one of the reason why Pentecostals are talked about IS the abuse that has happened with us. ok the Most important thing TODAY!!! right NOW! is our relationship with Jesus ok and if we speak with the tongues of angels OR NOT!!! without love it prophets NA da !!! But Provb. 6 talks about he who sows discord among the brethren we all need to wake up!!. Saying your saved and living like the devil thinking that you can pimp God into Heaven LOL you got to walk the walk and many people who are Baptist struggle and do Pentecostal just because you say it and not live it
well we an’t fooling nobody NOT GOD FO SHO |
arron
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Username: arron
Post Number: 1983
Registered: 11-2004
Posted From: 68.119.37.10
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i will say amen to that.. we must live, walk right, talk right and carry on with GOD to get to heaven. i do not believe in once saved always saved for the bible say .. if we continue in HIM but i do thank GOD HE will take us back when we fall if we will call on HIM HE WILL never fail to take us in. praise THE LORD |
jayhernandez
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Post Number: 118
Registered: 4-2006
Posted From: 68.21.76.34
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We don't have to do anything to get to heaven.
Wow, I bet this through you for a loop. Look man, I didn't say it. You said it in the above post. When I see this I need to clarify where you didn't. I'm sure you don't mind.
Salvation is free! Salvation is for All! We have a savior to either execept or deny! If I must do as you said above "to get to heaven", then salvation is not free because I have to do something greater then what Christ did (in essence this is what some will conclude)and that is impossible because free will without choice is without choice. God, just as you would, wants the bride to love him for who he is.
If God gave his son to die,and he did, he didn't do it to put a guilt trip on us. We don't follow Jesus out of guilt for what he did and neither do we follow because wishful thinking feels like faith. We do because we are convinced that Christ is who he says he is and further more this is the reality of life even in a tangible world where real suffering take place. Not knowing it as Truth is our minds in a mystical world and wishful thinking. A moral model and mystical assention theology takes root and is respoken.
THe challnege is to recognize strife in each of our hearts. Gods natural way of convicting us. I thank God he doesn't pop in and out of the heavens- it could be sort of a parinoid way of living. What grace do you really have? Isn't God gracious. I thank God for the Holy Spirit.
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nolurkingonme
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Posted From: 69.85.147.243
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well, if i can interject something that to you folks probably will seems irrelevant; i think it needs be said.
many pentecostal church doctrines seem very 'fear based' to me.
it's not the 'ideal' of jumping up, and down in church and speaking in tongues that gets to me. it's the almost fear based 'act' of jumping up, and down in church that gets to me.
it is very frightening to children, and even though i only attended less than a handful of times i won't forget how frightening it was.
it still feel it is the reason that although i have memorized scriptures in the new testament i almost refused to repeat them.
i can repeat some scriptures from the old testament, but not from the new.
i don't feel that people ad-libing, and jumping up and down in church is a good environment to expose small children.
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tiffany_elise
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Posted From: 24.171.117.133
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I too was in a Pentecostal church until they disagreed with scripturally sound beliefs I have.
They seem to forget that we are saved by grace and not of works and the word of God says that those who are justified by works are fallen from grace.
I cannot agree with the works issue of a clothesline doctrine. If this was the case to please God Isaiah would be damned for walking naked and barefoot for three years.
The law of two or three witnesses establishing Peter's denial of Christ would have made the sacrifice at Calvary of no profit for him. Not to mention the Lord said if we deny him before men he will deny us before the angels of God.
After Peter denied the Lord 3 times and the law established his denial the angels still knew Peter by name as in Mark 16:7.
Even our Lord said he did not send himself but the Father sent him. He even said he ascended to his God and Father. He is the one mediator between man and God and even common sense says that you cannot be a father without the presnce of a son. If a man becomes his son he is not a father but a transformed individual.
There are just too many scriptures showing the 3-fold gospel.
The God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob.
A threefold cord.
The sun (God), moon (Christ), and stars.(children of Israel led by the Spirit)
The mouth of two or three witnesses.(witout a trinity there are not enough witnesses to condemn us as Deuteronomy states nobody is condemned at the mouth of one witness) Oneness would let anybody waltz into heaven without enough witnesses to stop them.
To be one in Spirit is not to be carnally one.
May God bless you.
Tiffany |
arron
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i am pentecostal and always will be i am sorry if some have offended you all. i will continue to praise THE LORD in the only way i know to do. i speak in tongues jump up and down clap my hands run and do all thati feel to do. i do not do this becaues i AM AFRAID no i do it because i feel led of THE LORD to do it. our church receives all who say they are saved. we do not neglect anyone |
tiffany
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I agree with you on that. We should show our love of the Lord outwardly as well as inwardly.
Miriam danced with a timbrel and David danced with all his might. Psalms shows us we should make a loud noise when praising our Lord.
I believe in the baptism of the Holy Ghost and speaking in tongues as well. It is the Spirit of God that reveals the spiritual things in the word of God. There is no greater feeling than that of the Spirit of God.
Tiffany |
theaustrianoak
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Posted From: 24.237.139.214
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Jumping up and down, screaming incoherently, pawing at the walls, running around, and clanging on tamborines repeatedly IS NOT SPIRITUALITY! You are spiritual by being in fellowship with God the Father by naming your known sins to our Father as we are mandated to do in 1 John 1:9. Sins of emotionalism such as the ones listed above which are commonplace in Pentecostal Churches PUT YOU OUT OF FELLOWSHIP meaning you teporarily lose the filling of the Holy Spirit and are once again carnal. You are no longer producing divine good but instead human good which God refers to as wood, hay, and stubble fit for burning. The good news is, when you utilize your priesthood as a believer in Christ and name your known sins privately to God, He also forgives you of your unknown sins as well and restores you to fellowship. Can you guess why He will forgive you every time even without you feeling sorry for those sins? BECAUSE EVERY SIN IN HUMAN HISTORY, PAST PRESENT AND FUTURE HAS ALREADY BEEN JUDGED AT THE CROSS. His justice has been satisfied. I've heard Pentecostals demand that you not only confess your sins but that God can't forgive you unless you tell him how sorry you are or how guilty you feel. Then the same people will tell me that I flat out don't need to name sins because Jesus already died (as a substitute for us) for our sins.
Let me ask you this: What is your definition of the Holy Spirit? (Oh I'm sorry. GHOST as you all refer to Him as.) The third person of the trinity whom leads you into such madness as rolling around on the floor and shouting in gibberish at the top of your lungs so you may "feel" spiritual? That is the definition I would presume to get from Pentecostals.
I believe the true definition of the Holy Spirit is MENTOR. Yes, our mentor or teacher and the one who brings to our memory those things which we have forgotten. The Spirit makes it possible for us to understand what is being taught. In other words: Bible doctrine we have learned fuels the power of the Holy Spirit so we may have stability within our souls to face whatever adversities we may encounter in the Devil's world by claiming promises from God to free us from worry or fear. Amoung many many other things we are mandated to do from His word.
And another thing. NO ONE HAS SPOKEN IN TOUNGES SINCE AD 70! Those apostles whom had the gift of LANGUAGES for means of evangelism lost those spiritual gifts after the New Testament was completed circa AD 70. The gift of LANGUAGES was necessary for Gentiles to understand the gospel in places such as Corinth where there may have been a dozen different languages being spoken rather than the Hebrew the evangelist was speaking during the service. The gift of LANGUAGES was also a warning to Israel of their impending destruction.
So why do I think the Pentecostal church is a cult? According to the American Heritage Dictionary, the word CULT means: A religion or religious sect generally considered to be extremist or false, with its followers often living in an unconventional manner under the guidance of an authoritarian, charismatic leader.
The followers of such a religion or sect.
So we have beliefs proven to be FALSE. Acts of madness in the church which can be referred to as EXTREMIST or UNCONVENTIONAL, and RITUALS you all refer to as "ghost" services e.g. break dancing, shouting, crying hystarically, jumping up and down, or just basically walking up to the stage by the pulpit and dropping to the floor. |
theaustrianoak
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Posted From: 24.237.139.214
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Jumping up and down, screaming incoherently, pawing at the walls, running around, and clanging on tamborines repeatedly IS NOT SPIRITUALITY! You are spiritual by being in fellowship with God the Father by naming your known sins to our Father as we are mandated to do in 1 John 1:9. Sins of emotionalism such as the ones listed above which are commonplace in Pentecostal Churches PUT YOU OUT OF FELLOWSHIP meaning you teporarily lose the filling of the Holy Spirit and are once again carnal. You are no longer producing divine good but instead human good which God refers to as wood, hay, and stubble fit for burning. The good news is, when you utilize your priesthood as a believer in Christ and name your known sins privately to God, He also forgives you of your unknown sins as well and restores you to fellowship. Can you guess why He will forgive you every time even without you feeling sorry for those sins? BECAUSE EVERY SIN IN HUMAN HISTORY, PAST PRESENT AND FUTURE HAS ALREADY BEEN JUDGED AT THE CROSS. His justice has been satisfied. I've heard Pentecostals demand that you not only confess your sins but that God can't forgive you unless you tell him how sorry you are or how guilty you feel. Then the same people will tell me that I flat out don't need to name sins because Jesus already died (as a substitute for us) for our sins.
Let me ask you this: What is your definition of the Holy Spirit? (Oh I'm sorry. GHOST as you all refer to Him as.) The third person of the trinity whom leads you into such madness as rolling around on the floor and shouting in gibberish at the top of your lungs so you may "feel" spiritual? That is the definition I would presume to get from Pentecostals.
I believe the true definition of the Holy Spirit is MENTOR. Yes, our mentor or teacher and the one who brings to our memory those things which we have forgotten. The Spirit makes it possible for us to understand what is being taught. In other words: Bible doctrine we have learned fuels the power of the Holy Spirit so we may have stability within our souls to face whatever adversities we may encounter in the Devil's world by claiming promises from God to free us from worry or fear. Amoung many many other things we are mandated to do from His word.
And another thing. NO ONE HAS SPOKEN IN TOUNGES SINCE AD 70! Those apostles whom had the gift of LANGUAGES for means of evangelism lost those spiritual gifts after the New Testament was completed circa AD 70. The gift of LANGUAGES was necessary for Gentiles to understand the gospel in places such as Corinth where there may have been a dozen different languages being spoken rather than the Hebrew the evangelist was speaking during the service. The gift of LANGUAGES was also a warning to Israel of their impending destruction.
So why do I think the Pentecostal church is a cult? According to the American Heritage Dictionary, the word CULT means: A religion or religious sect generally considered to be extremist or false, with its followers often living in an unconventional manner under the guidance of an authoritarian, charismatic leader.
The followers of such a religion or sect.
So we have beliefs proven to be FALSE. Acts of madness in the church which can be referred to as EXTREMIST or UNCONVENTIONAL, and RITUALS you all refer to as "ghost" services e.g. break dancing, shouting, crying hystarically, jumping up and down, or just basically walking up to the stage by the pulpit and dropping to the floor. |
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