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turtle (turtle)
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Username: turtle
Post Number: 396
Registered: 9-2005
Posted From: 151.199.115.125
| | Posted on Thursday, November 24, 2005 - 8:24 pm: | 
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I personally believe that Jesus died for all my sins. He died for everyone. I believe in the Trinity, Father, Son and HOly Ghost one but in three persons. One is saved through Jesus sacrifice on the cross, through the shedding of blood and stripes he bore on His back. He was our sacrifice for all that accept His free gift. I believe in the baptism or infilling of the HOly Spirit. I do not believe all speak in tongues with this experience but there should be evidence of the Spirit through the fruits of the Spirit.
Other pencostals please add to the list or explain differences in what you believe if there are differences. I am sure there are some that would differ. |
arron (arron)
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Post Number: 566
Registered: 11-2004
Posted From: 66.169.8.34
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i beleive that speaking in tongues is the initial evedence of THE HOLY GHOST baptisum. . i beleive that where it teaches that not all speak in tongues it is talking about the gift of tongues and not the baptisum |
turtle (turtle)
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Post Number: 401
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Posted From: 151.199.115.125
| | Posted on Friday, November 25, 2005 - 2:14 pm: |
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Arron, what else do you believe besides tongues. I know you are not all about tongues???? |
arron (arron)
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Post Number: 577
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Posted From: 66.169.8.34
| | Posted on Friday, November 25, 2005 - 8:43 pm: |
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i beleive in serving THE LORD JESUS first.. the the different gifst may work in your life if THE LORD sees you have the ability to handle them, for instance if a person cant really prophecy THE LORD WILL NOT USE him or he to do so. |
godchild (godchild)
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Username: godchild
Post Number: 1035
Registered: 1-2005
Posted From: 4.255.41.4
| | Posted on Friday, November 25, 2005 - 9:22 pm: |
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turtle, Will you ever learn how to spell the name of your denomination? Doesn't this embarass you as a preacher? |
turtle (turtle)
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Username: turtle
Post Number: 405
Registered: 9-2005
Posted From: 151.199.115.125
| | Posted on Friday, November 25, 2005 - 9:35 pm: |
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Amen Aaron, I agree one must serve the Lord Jesus. YOu know even in heaven we will be serving him. Revalation 22: 3. I think it is verse three. It shows we are not God and never will be God. But we are to serve Him. Amen.
(Message edited by turtle on November 25, 2005) |
arron (arron)
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Post Number: 578
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Posted From: 66.169.8.34
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amen i am not looking to be GOD or a god. i am a saint or christian because of JESUS praise HIS NAME . |
godchild (godchild)
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Username: godchild
Post Number: 1058
Registered: 1-2005
Posted From: 4.255.40.89
| | Posted on Wednesday, November 30, 2005 - 11:43 am: |
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Not, Please stop it. You are being just as childish as arron when he goes to every thread and repeats the same words, when once was enough. He feeds off of turtle. She bolsters this foolishness.
Look at the first posts here. Turtle starts another thread for her 'pencostal' group. Poor arron does just exactly the opposite of what she hoped for by 'pushing the babbling' so what does she do. She tells him there must be more arron, say more???? She says 'she knows' he believes more. How does she know this? She doesn't because he hasn't shared anymore than that. She is trying to coax (to wheedle, to persuade by fondling and flattery) something out of him. What is this? Child's games. Is arron his own man? These are the brainwashing tactics we warn of.
Ecclesiastes 9:16 Then I said, "Wisdom is better than strength. Nevertheless the poor man's wisdom is despised, and his words are not heard. Words of the wise, spoken quietly, should be heard rather than the shout of a ruler of fools.
10:12-15 The words of a wise man's mouth are gracious, but the lips of a fool shall swallow him up; The words of his mouth begin with foolishness, and the end of his talk is raving madness. A fool also multiplies words. No man knows what is to be; Who can tell him what will be after him? The labor of fools wearies them, For they do not even know how to go to the city." |
godchild (godchild)
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Username: godchild
Post Number: 1068
Registered: 1-2005
Posted From: 4.255.40.89
| | Posted on Wednesday, November 30, 2005 - 1:47 pm: |
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I understand that, not. My last post was aimed at the tongue-speakers, not you. I decided since they all say "the wrongs are all of the others of our denomination", calling them tongue-speakers will eliminate any confusion about who I am speaking of.
I just don't like to see people with good intent using their tactics. It only gets another rise out of them. Or I should say, the same old rise. |
arron (arron)
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Post Number: 652
Registered: 11-2004
Posted From: 66.169.8.34
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i do not feed off of turtle.i am glad she is on here . i am saved and glad of it. |
arron (arron)
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Posted From: 66.169.8.34
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hey turtle you and i are famous according to not |
arron (arron)
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Post Number: 706
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Posted From: 66.169.8.34
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not i pray that THE LORD will keep you saved and will help you to receive all that know they are saved too by THE BLOOD OF JESUS |
franklin (franklin)
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Post Number: 1282
Registered: 11-2004
Posted From: 71.49.13.0
| | Posted on Sunday, December 04, 2005 - 6:30 pm: |
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Sounds like not's got a latent Mary Poppins/Julie Andrews fetish. How about Sound of Music? Is that how you fantasize also? Do you put on Austrian Alpine costumes to get you in your fantasy mood? Jungen or madchen? |
arron (arron)
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Post Number: 735
Registered: 11-2004
Posted From: 66.169.8.34
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godchild.. your nov 39 post really offended me i did not feed off turtle shse and i believed the same way now people have run her off. she is a woman minster. she is a good person i pray she will come back. i just dont think we tongue speakers as you call us should be put down all the time as we are and have been. i know i am saved and i do more and believe more than just speaking in tongues. |
arron (arron)
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Posted From: 66.169.8.34
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i meant nov 30 excuse please. sometime my typing is not so great. |
easeltine (easeltine)
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Posted From: 64.136.27.225
| | Posted on Monday, December 05, 2005 - 1:39 am: |
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To all of Not's accusations Arron answered,
"...will help you to receive all that know they are saved too by THE BLOOD OF JESUS."
Reminds me ot the following Scripture:
Rev 12:10-11
"...for the accuser of our brethren, who accused them before our God day and night, has been cast down. 11 And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb and by the word of their testimony..." NKJV |
godchild (godchild)
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Post Number: 1138
Registered: 1-2005
Posted From: 4.255.41.20
| | Posted on Monday, December 05, 2005 - 11:16 am: |
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arron, It was not my intent to offend. I think there is a danger in always agreeing with someone simply because they share one's belief (tongue-speaking). If your whole Christian testimony is dependant on one doctrine, don't you think there is something wrong with that? We must learn to speak for ourselves, for two reasons. The first being you are going to stand alone to account for your actions at the judgment. Jesus will be your mediator, not men/women. The second is, when one is so dependant on another person, what happens if/when that person fails? You either feel personally deceived and leave, giving up everything, or you collapse. Why? Because your bulwark cannot protect you any longer. Your strength is in the Lord, not men/women.
No one could run turtle off these threads, unless her dependance was on herself or you. If this could happen on a discussion board with people you can't even meet face to face, how will she minister to unbelievers?
Do you think I haven't been offended at times? I can certainly withstand a web discussion board for the Lord. If/when I leave, it will be because I'm finished here. Hopefully, that is why turtle left. |
arron (arron)
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Posted From: 66.169.8.34
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godchild i do not base my faith on one section of my beliefs. i am saved by faithin THE BLOOD OF JESUS. i am fully aware of all the other teachings of the pentecostal faith that i go to. i am aware of the teachings of the baptist church i used to attend. we were speaking specifily of speaking in tongues on this board that is why i was speaking on it. if we were speaking on some other aspect of the faith i would have commented on that .. if .. if had known what it was. |
godchild (godchild)
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Posted From: 4.255.40.223
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Arron, Your eyes deceive you. If you will look at the titles on all these threads, they do not say tongues. They say the pentecostal churches. If you took any note at all when turtle started this thread, she was trying to get you to get 'away' from the 'speaking in tongues' portion of your belief. But what did you do? The very first thing you responded with was 'speaking in tongues'. Turtle even tried to draw you out in her next post. How do you respond. "I believe in serving the Lord first." But you still go on to the gifts, saying the gifts will work in your life if the Lord sees you have the ability to handle them. The Lord does not choose us because of our abilities. Aaron was Moses' spokesman. (Exodus 6-7). John the baptist was a homeless man. Jesus was a carpenter. Some of the Apostles were fishermen.
The Bible doesn't say the Jews were a 'chosen' (special) people because they were greater or more righteous than any other nation. God chose them. God chooses who He wills, not by anything we do or have done. Pentecostals (perhaps not all), say they speak in tongues because they ask, (which they see as evidence their faith is stronger). And yet there is NO evidence that the greatest disciples ever spoke in tongues. I think that Paul would be horrified to see that people think that his speaking in tongues was the number one gift that God gave him so that he could/would be believed. This is absolutely contrary to the gospel, which says it is by the grace of God that we are His. It is not the gift that has importance, but what that gift accomplishes. The gifts are only a means to an end. Paul wasn't saying, "Look at me". He was saying "Hear my message".
arron, Do you believe people will receive the indwelling of the Holy Spirit upon believing? Will you tell us in your own words why you think the baptism of the Holy Spirit in addition to receiving the Holy Spirit upon believing is necessary TODAY and what value you believe you have recieved from it? |
godchild (godchild)
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Posted From: 4.255.40.223
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arron, Also, do you believe the Holy Bible contains everything we need in order to learn about the Lord? If you believe tongues are for prophesy, do you believe we need prophesy in addition to the Holy Bible? |
anoynomous (anoynomous)
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Posted From: 64.53.137.20
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when you beleive THAT do not make you have the HOLY GHOST READ ACTS 8 : 12 - 17
BEING FILLED WITH THE HOLY GHOST EVIDENT BY
SPEAKING IN TONGUES AS THE SPIRIT GIVES THE
UTTRERANCE IS DIFFRENT THAN THE GIFT OF TONGUES. |
arron (arron)
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Posted From: 66.169.8.34
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speaking in tongues is the evidence.. there is a gift of tongues, there is a gift of prophecy.
god child yes i beleive the bible contains the WORD OF GOD and that it contains all we need to know about GOD and the here after. prophecy is not for learning something that the bible does not say but is given to help us in our daily walk with down here in this life. the word of wisdom for instance is given to show us how to do something or about something here.something |
inkorrekt (inkorrekt)
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Posted From: 198.243.2.253
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To Anonymous: Apostle Paul also writes that Speaking in tongues is one of the least of all the gifts. This means, Pentecostal churches are the least of all.I was taught and coerced into speaking in tongues. I did for few decades. However, I was a DEAD CHRISTIAN inside. I spoke in tongues. I had severe stress in life. I became suicidal twice. Tongues never helped me.
I was delivered at Hegewisch Baptist Church, Hammond, Indiana. (www.HBCDELIVERS.ORG)Please read the book,DISCIPLE by Juan Carlos Ortiz. |
godchild (godchild)
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Posted From: 4.255.43.49
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arron, So you are saying the Bible contains all we need to know about God and the hereafter, but not what we need now? Please give scripture reference to this. Does the Bible not give you everything you need to know in order to live and serve the Lord right now? |
godchild (godchild)
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Posted From: 4.255.43.49
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Do you think there is something God forgot to tell us? Is there something left out? Do you think the Bible is just for certain people, or that the Holy Spirit was sent just for certain people, or do you think the Lord wants us to share the wisdom He has given us? If so, I haven't seen one example of this great new wisdom here, where everyone can see. Why is that?
(Message edited by godchild on December 07, 2005) |
belong2jesus (belong2jesus)
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Post Number: 199
Registered: 12-2004
Posted From: 210.212.241.130
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I'm not Pentecostal and never will be. Turtle and Arron, what I may have in common with you guys may be: I believe in salvation through the blood when a soul repents of his or her sins, I believe in water baptism to be administered in the name of the Father, Son and the Holy Spirit. I believe in the triune God-head: God the Father, Son and the Holy Spirit. I believe in the Holy Spirit baptism with the biblical evidence of speaking in tongues, which is different from the gift of tongues. I believe in laying on of hands for healing(Pentecostals call it 'divine healing'), laying on of hands to receive the Holy Spirit, laying on of hands to impart spiritual gifts and laying on of hands to send people on mission. I believe in resurrection of the dead, and in the end I believe in eternal judgment.
However, I don't agree with Pentecostals in many things: I don't believe women should cover their heads, I don't believe women are forbidden to preach, I don't believe the Holy Spirit baptism is the end , but a beginning to a greater reality of God. I don't believe one needs the Holy Spirit baptism to enter heaven. I don't believe women are not allowed to wear ornaments and so forth.
Yet people push me off as a Pentecostal. I am not. I come from a hindu background and I don't belong to any denomination, and never will. |
belong2jesus (belong2jesus)
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Posted From: 59.145.99.10
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The gifts of the Spirit("spiritual gifts") are to operate till Jesus comes back.
"So that ye come behind in no spiritual gift; waiting for the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ: Who shall also confirm you unto the end, that ye may be blameless in the day of our Lord Jesus Christ. "
There are 9 spiritual gifts , you can find it in 1 Corinthians 12. If you study the book of Acts well, you will understand how these gifts work.
There are various spiritual gifts, but the Giver of the gifts is the same: the Holy Spirit. All gifts are administered in the name of Jesus and all gifts are operated by God Himself. These gifts , according to the bible, are to profit withal. The gifts of the Spirit has been placed in the Church for the estabilishment and edification of the Church.
It's the Holy Spirit's work through vessels of clay.
Sidharth |
anoynomous (anoynomous)
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Posted From: 64.53.137.20
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most people do not understand the set up of the
BIBLE
(4 GOSPELS) - preparatory to the preaching of
the gospel
(ACTS ) - shows the way into the true CHURCH
(ROMANS- JUDE) - written to the CHURCH people
already filled with the SPIRIT
OF GOD
failing to understand to whom books were written
explain why some people confuse speaking in
tongues in 1 CORINTHIANS with speaking in
tongues in the book of ACTS
BOOK OF ACTS records how people enter the CHURCH
1 CORINTHIANS teaches people how to act in the
CHURCH.
therefore people would understand that tongues that beleivers speak when entering the CHURCH need no interpretation . While the gift of
tongues used to edify the CHURCH by public
message need an interpretation. |
belong2jesus (belong2jesus)
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Posted From: 59.144.5.195
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Anonymous,
That's very true. The epistles were written to believers who had already received the Spirit baptism with the evidence of speaking in tongues.
The personal prayer tongue received by those born of the Spirit at the time of their baptism in the Spirit, is different from the gift of tongues which is severally given as the Spirit wills.
Not all people have the nine gifts, but all believers will speak in a new tongue just as Jesus said they would.
All believers don't have the word of wisdom, but all believers have access to God's wisdom. All believers don't have the word of knowledge, but all believers have access to God's knowledge. ALl believers don't have the gift of healings, but all believers if they lay hand on the sick shall get them well. All believers don't have the gift of miracles, but all believers have access to God's miracle working power. In likewise manner, all believers don't have the gift of tongues, but all believers do speak in new tongues.
Jesus said certain signs would follow al them that believe, you can find it in Mark 16 the last two verse. If those signs are not following you, you need to check whether you really are a bible-believer or a professing one. Faith without results is dead.
Yours in His grace,
Sidharth |
belong2jesus (belong2jesus)
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Posted From: 59.144.5.195
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Paul never said ther gift of tongues was the least gift. He was speaking against the disorder in the Church and how people without order spoke in tongues. God is not a God of disorder. If a person speaks publically in tongue, some one must interpret it or it wouldn't profit withal. The gift of tongues and the gift of interpretation go hand-in-hand. One who has no experience with the gifts cannot sit here and debate like this. Those who claim to have spoken in tongues have not been edified, need to check if it were really the Holy Spirit or someone else. The bible says, he who speaks in a tongue speaks to God and edifies himself.
All gifts confirm the Word of God, they do not replace the Word of God. Again for Godchild, the Word of God is the paramount.
Sidharth |
arron (arron)
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Posted From: 66.169.8.34
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all gifts are in the CHURCH but if an occasion does not arrive for them to be used or if there is no one there who is capable of haveing them then they will not work. |
inkorrekt (inkorrekt)
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Posted From: 198.243.2.253
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ARON:
i am a saint or christian because of JESUS praise HIS NAME"
How arrogant this is!. This is how arrogant I was when I strongly believed that the more you spoke in tongues, more spiritual you are.
It took so many decades for me to understand that speaking in tongues is like a"SOUNDING BRASS"
If i cannot forgive the unforgiveable and if I cannot love the unloveable, tongues is nothing but empty words building my ego.
If a person really has the holy spirit( which occurs at the time of rebirth) he will be humble, gentle, peaceful, kind and loving.
Aperson who has the holy spirit will acknowledge the fact that we are all sinners. None of us can claim that we are saints. If we did, it is nothing but, spiritual pride and arrogance. |
arron (arron)
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inkorrekt .. where did i say."i am a saint or christian becasuse of JESUS praise HIS NAME.. " i am how ever saved because of JESUS. i am saved by HIS BLOOD, faith in that BLOOD. it is not being arrogant to say so either.i know that tongues are not all but they are far from being sounding symbols or brass. |
arron (arron)
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i saw where i said that it was oon nov 25th. you took it out of context however. for i was simply sayin i was saved because of JESUS and therefore a saint. |
belong2jesus (belong2jesus)
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We are sanctified through the blood of Jesus, made pure and holy , and given the righteousness of God. The blood of Jesus cleanses us from all sin, not just a few.
Unlike the blood of bulls and goats that only covered sins, the blood of Jesus takes away our sins like how the scape goat took away the sins of the Israelites. We are no longer sinners, but we are the righteousness of God in Christ Jesus. To say a person is a sinner after being born-again is discrediting the finished work of God on the Cross.
I am clean , holy and I'm a saint through the blood of Jesus, not by works that I should boast of, but I must remain holy. God demands in the new testament to live holy, as He commands us : Be ye holy as I Am holy. Holiness means separation from sin and the world and being united to the Lord. Many people isolate themselves from the Lord and call it holiness. No! if we were to isolate ourselves, we could never preach to the lost. We are to be a ship in the sea, and not the sea in the ship. We are in the world, but not of the world.
Moreover, the gifts are not the paramount but the fruit of the Spirit. The very moment a person accepts Christ as His Savior and Lord, the Holy Spirit starts growing the fruit of the Spirit in the spirit of the man. However, the indwelling Presence of the Holy Spirit is a totally different experience other than the born-again experience. This permanent indwelling of the Holy SPirit is what the bible calls to be baptized in the Holy Spirit. Jesus said the Holy Spirit wouldn't come until He ascended and the Holy SPirit came to indwell believers only after Jesus ascended and sat down at the right hand of the Father: this happened on the Day of Pentacost. There is no record however where disciples received the Holy Spirit at the time of they put their trust in Jesus to save them.
Reply if your manual is the Bible.
Sidharth |
secure (secure)
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But did not the Holy Spirit tell Peter who Jesus was. Didn't Jesus say only the HOly Spirit could of told you that I am the Christ. |
arron (arron)
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yes i am made holy by THE BLOOD. THE HOLY GHOST is given for use in this life and we have HIM with us PRAISE THE LORD. |
godchild (godchild)
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sidharth, you sound like Jesus only... Jesus is God. From the beginning, God (The Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit) was with men. First in the garden. Adam and Eve saw God's presence. Genesis 3:8 They heard God walking through the garden. Genesis 3:21 God made tunics of skins and clothed them. When God cast them out of the garden they were no longer in His presence. God is spirit. People need to stop thinking of Him as a man. God is not a man. You cannot separate God from Christ or the Holy Spirit. They are ONE.
The Holy Spirit has always been.
The Bible uses metaphors in order for people to understand.
The Old Testament men had the Holy Spirit in them. When God breathed life into Adam, that was God's Spirit. (The breath of life). Genesis 6:3 (When man became so wicked) And the Lord said, "My Spirit shall not strive with man forever, for he is indeed flesh; yet his days shall be one hundred and twenty years.
God found Noah to be righteous. Adam lived to be 930 years, Methuselah 969, Noam 950, Shem 600, and on down to Joseph who lived for 110 years, and today the average is 80 years.
Psalms 139:7 (David speaking) Where can I go from your Spirit? (Would men suggest that God's spirit here is unholy?)Psalms 51:11 Do not cast me away from your presence, and do not take your Holy Spirit from me. Isa. 63:10 But they rebelled and grieved His Holy Spirit (Speaking of Israel); so He turned Himself against them as an enemy, And He fought against them. Exodus 31:3 And I have filled him with the Spirit of God...
Here is a list of people in the Bible who received the Holy Spirit before Pentecost:
Bezelel
Jesus
John the Baptist
Elizabeth
Zacharias
The Holy Spirit has always been at work.
While Jesus was on the earth, the Holy Spirit, God, was on the earth. Remember the Jews required signs, Jesus spoke often in anger about this. They didn't believe he was the only Begotten Son of the Living God. And His disciples were dismayed at Him leaving, so when He left He sent the Comforter, the Holy Spirit. The world has always had the Holy Spirit. There are not numerous Holy Spirits, only a variety of works that the Holy Spirit does. If you study the Holy Spirit, you will find the Holy Spirit proceeds from God. (Think of it like the tail of a comet), it proceeds from God and returns to God to speak for us, just as Jesus proceeded from God and returned to God. They are one and the same. It's works are incomprehensible, and men think it is limited to where it can go and be. God is not like man, man was created in His image. Dwells in and indwells does not have two different meanings.
Jesus said to them, "Most assuredly I say to you, before Abraham was, I AM." God said, "I AM that I AM." |
belong2jesus (belong2jesus)
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Posted From: 210.212.241.130
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Godchild,
You are wrong. The Holy Spirit never before Pentacost made His "permanent" dwelling in any soul. In the Old Testament the Holy Spirit came on the prophets and kings(i.e. only a selected few). Never do we find the bible saying that the Holy Spirit made His permanent dwelling place in a soul a man.
Jesus' promises to the disciples was that when He goes to the Father, He would send them another Comforter, the Holy Spirit. This however does not mean the Holy Spirit wasnot present on earth during that time. No. It means the Holy Spirit didn't come to make His "permanent" abode in Jesus' disciples. This is why Jesus told the disciples before His crucifixion, "He IS with(Gk:para) and shall be IN(Gk: En) you.". Remember these were Jewish disciples. The first Gentile family to receive the Holy Spirit was Cornellius and his household.
Jesus said He would send the Holy Spirit from the Father in John 15:26. To send something, the sender has to be absent from the recepient. The Holy Spirit was present with the disciples, but not in them.
The Holy Spirit didnot dwell 'permanently' in any of the people you mentioned. The promise of the Father was the permanent residence of the Holy Spirit in believers.
The disciples were asked to wait for this promise in Jerusalem and they received Him.
I never said there were numerous Holy Spirits. As usual you are misinterpreting what others say. At the time of new birth the spirit of the man is made alive, that is a living spirit. He doesnot receive the Holy Spirit. There is no scripture to substanciate it.
God bless.
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The Holy SPirit came on the Old Testaments saints and He left as soon as the job was done. He never permanently made His abode in them. But Joel came with the prophecy that God would pour out His Spirit on ALL flesh. Jesus gave us why He was sending the Holy Spirit. The Holy SPirit is not Jesus, and Jesus is not the Holy Spirit.
Jesus was very man and very God, He was the Son of Man and Son of God. Jesus was divinity in human flesh.
WHat shallow knowledge you have, Godchild? The Holy Spirit will give you knowledge that will not cause you to eb so puffed up and arrogant. Head-knowledge is no worth.
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You know I get a little aggravated reading post about people who claim to speak in tongues but can't state there other basic beliefs. What else do pencostals believe besides in the gifts of the Spirit. |
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we believe that GOD is that JESUS died was buried and arose again. that HE is gone into the heavens and will return again someday and take us to be with HIM. we believe that there are other gifts besides speaking in tongues. we believe that soul winning is the most important thing we can do besides living for THE LORD there are many other things that are too numerous to mention here. |
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Jesus said, "I will NEVER LEAVE you nor forsake you." He said to the disciples, "I will send to you a COMFORTER". "Lo, I shall be with you ALWAYS. Even to the end of the world."
Read the story of John the Baptist. Luke 1:13 (When an angel of the Lord appeared to Zacharias). But the angel said to him, "Do not be afraid, Zacharias, for your prayer is heard; and your wife Elizabeth will bear you a son, and you shall call his name John. And you will have joy and gladness, and many will rejoice at his birth. For he will be great in the sight of the Lord, and shall drink neither wine nor strong drink. He will also be filled with the Holy Spirit, even from his mother's womb. He will also go before Him in the spirit and power of Elijah, to turn the hearts of the fathers to the children, and the disobedient to the wisdom of the just, to make ready a people prepared for the Lord.
The Bible never says the Holy Spirit left John. In fact, who did Jesus say the greatest disciple was? John, the Baptist, after John's death. Do you think Jesus would have said this if the Holy Spirit had left John?
While there are levels of the power for the works of the Holy Spirit, the Bible never says the Holy Spirit will leave a believer. There is ONE Holy Spirit. Being baptized in the Holy Spirit is mentioned 7 times in the New Testament. The reference is to a once-for-all act whereby Christ places believers in the care and safekeeping of the Holy Spirit until the day He returns.
If what you say is true, then your view that you will always speak in tongues by the power of the Holy Spirit cannot be true, because the Holy Spirit leaves you. This would be like saying the apostles were temporary prophets, only being prophets when the Holy Spirit came upon them. The same for the power of healing. If someone came to them with the need for healing, and the Holy Spirit wasn't with them at that time, the poor person was out of luck, wasn't he. God is not a parttime God, but eternal. His power is not conditioned on when we want it or need it, but when He wills. If the prophets weren't speaking in tongues at the time of their death, in your thinking, they are lost souls, because the Holy Spirit wasn't with them.
You do not understand the works of the Holy Spirit. Here is a list for you to contemplate:
(Let me say first the Holy Spirit is omnipresent, Psalms 139:7- Where can I go from your Spirit? Or where can I flee from your presence? If I ascend into heaven, You are there; If I make my bed in hell, lo, You are there. If I take the wings of the morning, and dwell in the uttermost parts of the sea, Even there Your hand shall lead me, and Your right hand shall hold me.)
The Holy Spirit speak
Regenerates
Indwells
Anoints
Baptizes
Guides
Empowers
Sanctifies
Bears witness
Helps
Gives Joy
Gives discernment
Bears fruit
Gives gifts
Comforts
Stimulates the mind
Reveals things of God
Each of these things can be confirmed by Scripture.
Show scripture where it says the Holy Spirit left any of the people I named, or any other believer. |
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Zecharia was under the old law still not under the new covenant, so was John the Baptist. God annointed Saul and gave him the Holy Spirit. Then God removed His spirit.
1 Samuel 16:14
14 But the Spirit of the LORD departed from Saul, and an evil spirit from the LORD troubled him.
John baptist was predestine to live the life he was called to do from birth. God enabled him through the Holy Spirit. Just like John.
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Christian will agree they must be sanctified. This is the work of the Holy Spirit, But if I choose not to obey the Holy Spirit I will be brought to repentance. If I choose not to I am then I may be turned over to that sin. And if i persist and continue it the way that is not correct in what some would call a backslidden state then am I lost. Paul warns through out the new testament to flea sin. That is the message also in the old testament.
From your post, Godchild I would think you do not believe anyone can be backslidden, or can turn from God. I grant you this God never leaves or forsake you but you can turn your back on God. |
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First, Are you suggesting John the Baptist did not have freedom of choice. God may choose us, but it is our choice to respond. When the people wanted to proclaim John as the Messiah, he said "No, there is one whose shoes I am not worthy to unlatchet."(paraphrase) John wasn't perfect, and didn't claim to be. Only Christ lived the life of a perfect man.
Judas was chosen by Jesus but he made a deadly choice.
The list I gave was of people who remained righteous throughout their lives. Not perfect, but righteous.
Certainly we can 'backslide', but if we repent, God is just to forgive. It would be pretty foolish to try and fool God, wouldn't it? He knows our heart. If we lie and say, for example, "I do not sin", God knows better, because no man is perfect. We can fool some men, but we can't fool God.
In the Old Testament the Holy Spirit is frequently described as 'coming upon' someone. This phrase describes God's act of giving an individual divine power or special ability for the completion of a unique task. The New Testament passages that say God will never leave the believer, and verses that indicate each believer has a special relationship with the Holy Spirit (Rom. 8:9, 1 Cor. 12:13), do not speak of the same thing as the 'coming upon, references to the Spirit's work in the Old Testament. Therefore, the description of the Spirit departing from Saul simply means that the divine power or ability he had previously enjoyed was withdrawn. Saul was disobedient to God, which had consequences.
We all continue to sin. This does not mean that God turns from us. It is at our lowest times that He helps us the most. Look at the prodigal son. To deny Christ is the only unforgivable sin, as this is grieving the Holy Spirit. James 3:2 says that we all stumble in many things. He was speaking to the brethren. |
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Do you not make mistakes everyday. Do you not sin do you not repeat sin. Does sin not separate you from God. Did not Christ end that separation through his shed blood. Do we all not have to repent. Saul had the Holy Spirit almost all his life. What does that prove to you. He had it from the time he was first annointed. That is the key thing right there annointed. John the baptist was annointed before he was even born. That doesn't sound like a choice to me. |
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Think what you like. You are not reading my posts, but are simply looking for an argument. If you had you wouldn't simply be rewriting portions of what I just posted. I don't have the time or inclination for this. I suggest you continue to study the Word and pray for understanding. |
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First, Are you suggesting John the Baptist did not have freedom of choice. God may choose us, but it is our choice to respond. When the people wanted to proclaim John as the Messiah, he said "No, there is one whose shoes I am not worthy to unlatchet."(paraphrase) John wasn't perfect, and didn't claim to be. Only Christ lived the life of a perfect man.
Judas was chosen by Jesus but he made a deadly choice.
The list I gave was of people who remained righteous throughout their lives. Not perfect, but righteous.
Certainly we can 'backslide', but if we repent, God is just to forgive. It would be pretty foolish to try and fool God, wouldn't it? He knows our heart. If we lie and say, for example, "I do not sin", God knows better, because no man is perfect. We can fool some men, but we can't fool God.
In the Old Testament the Holy Spirit is frequently described as 'coming upon' someone. This phrase describes God's act of giving an individual divine power or special ability for the completion of a unique task. The New Testament passages that say God will never leave the believer, and verses that indicate each believer has a special relationship with the Holy Spirit (Rom. 8:9, 1 Cor. 12:13), do not speak of the same thing as the 'coming upon, references to the Spirit's work in the Old Testament. Therefore, the description of the Spirit departing from Saul simply means that the divine power or ability he had previously enjoyed was withdrawn. Saul was disobedient to God, which had consequences.
We all continue to sin. This does not mean that God turns from us. It is at our lowest times that He helps us the most. Look at the prodigal son. To deny Christ is the only unforgivable sin, as this is grieving the Holy Spirit. James 3:2 says that we all stumble in many things. He was speaking to the brethren.
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Do you not make mistakes everyday. Do you not sin do you not repeat sin. Does sin not separate you from God. Did not Christ end that separation through his shed blood. Do we all not have to repent. Saul had the Holy Spirit almost all his life. What does that prove to you. He had it from the time he was first annointed. That is the key thing right there annointed. John the baptist was annointed before he was even born. That doesn't sound like a choice to me.
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Think what you like. You are not reading my posts, but are simply looking for an argument. If you had you wouldn't simply be rewriting portions of what I just posted. I don't have the time or inclination for this. I suggest you continue to study the Word and pray for understanding.
You say I am not reading your post, but yet I feel we disagree. Say I want an argument. But really you want me to think what you say. My post is shorter then yours. I told you what I disagreed with and yet you say I dont' read your post. Poor Godchild made her mad. I hope you will continue to study too Godchild. May you grow in wisdom and knowledge in your search for truth in God's Holy Word. |
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Amazes me when Godchild, just blabbers.
She doesn't know the difference between the New Covenant and the Old Covenant.
Sidharth |
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Alot of people dont' realize it, I personally think. That is why pentecostal seem strange to them. Holy Spirit functions really not a change but yet there is a change with the new covenant. It is no longer for a select few but everyone. We all can have the empowerment of the HOly Spirit if we ask. Empowerment is different then the seal the Holy Spirit puts on us and comes to live in us. Empowering comes when we yield completely to His will in our lives. |
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The word 'chosen' is used in the Holy Bible in reference to:
Warrior
The Hebrew Nation
Jerusalem as the seat of the temple
Christ is the 'chosen', the anointed one.
The Apostles were chosen for their work.
The word chosen is used in regard to those who do not profit by their opportunities.
Certainly John the Baptist can be included here.
"Election" to salvation is the good pleasure of God. God claims the right to do so. It is of His sovereign grace. All that pertains to salvation are of God. Faith, repentance, and all other graces are the exercises of a regenerated soul, and regeneration is God's work.
Men are 'elected' to salvation by adoption "To be holy and without blame before Him in love. The ultimate end of election is the praise of God's grace.
John the Baptist's call was internal and more than the outward message of the Word, and he was given the enlightening and sanctifying influence of the Holy Spirit, thereby enabling him to draw men to Christ, enabling them to receive the truth.
God 'calls' men when He invites them to accept His offered grace and is addressed to all men, but leaves them unexcused if they reject it (grieving the Holy Spirit).
I and I hope others are waiting for the scriptures sid keeps saying he has to back up his position. Until then, he is like a clanging cymbol. |
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godchild says
The word 'chosen' is used in the Holy Bible in reference to:
Warrior
The Hebrew Nation
Jerusalem as the seat of the temple
Christ is the 'chosen', the anointed one.
The Apostles were chosen for their work.
The word chosen is used in regard to those who do not profit by their opportunities.
Certainly John the Baptist can be included here.
"Election" to salvation is the good pleasure of God. God claims the right to do so. It is of His sovereign grace. All that pertains to salvation are of God. Faith, repentance, and all other graces are the exercises of a regenerated soul, and regeneration is God's work.
Men are 'elected' to salvation by adoption "To be holy and without blame before Him in love. The ultimate end of election is the praise of God's grace.
John the Baptist's call was internal and more than the outward message of the Word, and he was given the enlightening and sanctifying influence of the Holy Spirit, thereby enabling him to draw men to Christ, enabling them to receive the truth.
God 'calls' men when He invites them to accept His offered grace and is addressed to all men, but leaves them unexcused if they reject it (grieving the Holy Spirit).
I and I hope others are waiting for the scriptures sid keeps saying he has to back up his position. Until then, he is like a clanging cymbol.
Funny I see no scripture text in your statement mentioned. |
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The New Testament is the New Covenant, the Old Covenant of works replaced by the New Covenant of grace. The New Covenant will be fulfilled when Jesus Christ comes again. His shed blood on the cross is the sign of the New Covenant. Read His words: Luke 22:14-
When the hour had come, He sat down, and the twelve apostles with Him. Then He said to them, "With fervent desire I have desired to eat this passover with you before I suffer; for I say to you, I will no longer eat of it until it is fulfilled in the kingdom of God. Then He took the cup and gave thanks, and said, "Take this and divide it among you, I will not drink of the fruit of the vine until the kingdom of God comes. And He took bread, gave thanks and broke it, and gave it to them, saying, "This is my body which is given for you; do this in remembrance of Me." Likewise He also took the cup after supper, saying, "This cup is the NEW COVENANT is my blood, which is shed for you.
The cup is a figure of speech for God's wrath. Jesus prayed in the garden that if it was the Father's will, to "Take this cup away from Me."
The apostles were chosen by the only Begotten Son of God, and received the benefit (everything they needed provided for them until Jesus was arrested), but Peter chose to deny Him three times, and Judas chose to betray Him for money. This denotes 'free will'. God does not want robots, or people in a hypnotic state.
A covenant is a agreement, an oath, a promise between two or more persons.
The old covenant with Adam was a promise of life attached to obedience, and legal because it demanded perfect obedience to the law.
The new covenant, Christ (for us) fulfilled all it's conditions on behalf of His people, and now offers salvation on the condition of faith. |
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Here is the scripture reference for what I stated.
Ex. 15:4, Judges 20:16
Psalms 105:43, Deut. 7:7
1 Kings 11:13
Isaiah 42:1
Acts 10:4
Matthew 20:16
Ephesians 1:5,11 Matt.11:25-26, John 15:16,19
Romans 9:16,21
Romans 11:4-6, Eph. 1:3-6
Acts 5:31, 2 Tim. 2:25, 1 Cor. 1:30, Ehp. 2:5-10
2 Thess. 2:13, Gal. 4:4-5, Eph. 1:4
Eph. 1:6,12
John 16:14, Acts 26:18, John 6:44
John 6:45, Acts 16:14
Matt. 9:13, 11:28, 22:14
John 3:14-19, 2
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You see, it is your free choice.(You can accept the Word or reject it). |
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amen GOD truly does not want robots or people in a hypnotic state. HE gives us free chice to obey or not to obey. we can be chosen and still turn from HIM. there is alway a choice in the matter. |
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Godchild,
I have to qualms with what you said thus far. concerning the New Coveneant. But lets go a step further. Did the Holy Spirit's role change from the old to the new testament and including the time period before ACts when The Holy Spirit came at Pentecoste. |
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Previously, the Holy Spirit was fairly limited to the Jews, and was now given to the Gentiles as well. The gospel would now go out to all the world. |
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Godchild did the Holy Spirit dwell in the Heart of all jews before Christ and burial and resurrection? If not where did the Spirit of God dwell through out the old testament history? |
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No. The Holy Spirit dwelt with righteous men/women. Certainly all the Jews were not righteous people.
In Psalms 10-11 David is pleading with a prayer of repentance. What he says is interesting in that David who is asking for a clean heart and he says "And do not take your Holy Spirit from me." Obviously, the Holy Spirit had not left David though he sinned. David is aware of his imperfections (Psalm 19:12-13) but is also sure of his salvation because of his faith in God.
God's Spirit dwelt in the Temple, the resting place of God; the Ark being a synonym of the presence of God. The people depended on the priests for God's Word. We now have the Holy Spirit who dwells in all believers. There are so many verses in the Old Testament about the Spirit 'in' and 'on', they are too numerous to mention them all here. |
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Joel 2:28
28 And it shall come to pass afterward, that I will pour out my spirit upon all flesh; and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, your old men shall dream dreams, your young men shall see visions:
This would be one verse that you are talking about Godchild. But I will have to do some thinking about this other question about if those who chose to have faith in God had the Holy Spirit even in the Old testament besides those annointed??? |
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The Holy Spirit didnot make His dwelling in any persons heart in the Old Covenant. The Holy Spirit "came upon" people and would leave when the purpose was over.
Jesus promised His jewish disciples that the Holy Spirit would dwell in them forever. This is Jesus'
promise, and such a promise has never been given after God took His Spirit from man in Genesis. There have been prophesies pointing to the New Covenant as in Isaiah, Ezekiel and Joel. But never does God say He would put His Spirit within man before the New Covenant. John needed the Spirit to proclaim Jesus' first coming and we need His Holy Spirit to proclaim His second coming.
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To a certain extent I agree with you, sid. Some people believe the New Covenant will not be with us until Jesus' return, that it will not be complete til then. They would say 'The Holy Spirit "came upon" people and would leave when the purpose was over. Others believe the Holy Spirit dwells in us when we don't sin, but leaves us when we do. Doesn't this sound familiar to you? Let me ask you this. Whether in or on, does the Bible say; once David's purpose was finished, the Holy Spirit left him. Does it say when Noah's work was finished, the Holy Spirit left him? Does it say when Moses' work was finished, the Holy Spirit left him?
What did David say about this? In Psalms 73 He was consumed with worry about the future of the wicked. But he had a revelation. Vv. 21-24 Thus my heart was grieved, and I was vexed in my mind. I Was so foolish and ignorant; I was like a beast before You. Nevertheless I am continually with You; You hold me by my right hand. You will guide me with Your counsel, and afterward receive me to glory.
God does not leave us. God did not leave David once his work was done.
The word and the Spirit go hand in hand. Deut. 30:12-14. (Speaking of the Word and the Spirit) It is not in heaven, that you should say, 'Who shall ascend into heaven for us and bring it to us, that we may hear it and do it.' Nor is it beyond the sea, that you should say, 'Who will go over the sea for us and bring it to us, that we may hear it and do it? But the word is very near you, in your mouth and in your heart, that you may do it. Verse 19 I call heaven and earth and set before you life and death, blessing and cursing; therefore choose life, that both you and your descendants may live; that you may love the Lord your God, that you may obey His voice, and that you may cling to Him, for He is your life and your days.......
Clinging to Him denotes His always being with them.
The account in Judges. Despite the repeated falling away of His people, God always sent deliverers. The preservation of His people was not due to their merit or goodness, nor even their willingness to repent, but because of His promises to Abraham and his descendants.
Yes, we as believers have the Holy Spirit in us always, as Jesus promised. |
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GODS SPIRIT came in the o.t. on HIS prophets or whom HE was useing at that time. of course THE HOLY SPIRIT dwells in the person by faith. today when we speak of the baptisum of THE HOLY GHOST it is a different working of THE SPIRIT OF GOD . HE dwells in my heart by faith and has since we were saved. now HE dwells in the operation of the baptisum OF THE HOLY GHOST, which is different than the one of being saved. that is the best way i can explain it. |
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Arron, You believe this now back it up scripturally. I know you can. There is definitely a difference in empowerment for service and the fact the Holy Spirit is with every believer. I think this is where none pnntecostals and charismatics get in trouble with those who are not charismatics and pentecostals.
The Holy Spirit role did not so much change except for living with in each and every believer gentile or jew. But what about individual task God lays on ministers, missionaries, teachers, prophets, and those who seem to have a gift of help. Is being enabled different then the actually indwelling of the Holy Spirit.
We all meet what we would consider super christian that seem to be just living out God's will for their lives and everything is a blessing. WE also seen those christian that we know are saved but seem to be pew sitters maybe more living life very normally but yet lack that same ability to minister to others. Not that their job is less important. Point being their task need different types of equiping from the Same Holy Spirit. |
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| | Posted on Tuesday, December 27, 2005 - 3:59 pm: |
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i consider the ministry of helps to be a gift of THE HOLY SPIRIT in HIS moveing and dealing with the church. this gift enables or give one the strength to help others in a supernatural way |
arron (arron)
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Username: arron
Post Number: 886
Registered: 11-2004
Posted From: 66.169.8.34
| | Posted on Tuesday, December 27, 2005 - 4:02 pm: |
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turtle are you back on line yet where are you. |
secure (secure)
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Username: secure
Post Number: 29
Registered: 12-2005
Posted From: 151.199.89.69
| | Posted on Tuesday, December 27, 2005 - 5:15 pm: |
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Now Aaron you don't need turtle. You can answer these questions yourself. Who is in you the HOly Spirit right and God is the one that teaches all believers all things.
On the otherside of things turtle tried to be a friend and help to all. I would like to be able to write her myself I have read alot of what you and godchild, easletine, wyoming, yaakov have written on different threads. |
arron (arron)
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Username: arron
Post Number: 887
Registered: 11-2004
Posted From: 66.169.8.34
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i was simply writting to find out if she was back on line or not. not for any other reason |
secure (secure)
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Username: secure
Post Number: 30
Registered: 12-2005
Posted From: 71.254.41.250
| | Posted on Tuesday, December 27, 2005 - 8:45 pm: |
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Aaron on one thread turtle left a webpage where her testimony was written. If i can find that link maybe we can write turtle. I don't know but i have wonder where she has gone. |
arron (arron)
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Username: arron
Post Number: 911
Registered: 11-2004
Posted From: 66.169.8.34
| | Posted on Thursday, December 29, 2005 - 8:57 pm: |
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well we have not back at least he wrote one time latly i have written to him but get no response. we are praying for him maybe turtle will come back too |
easeltine (easeltine)
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Username: easeltine
Post Number: 1003
Registered: 5-2005
Posted From: 64.136.27.225
| | Posted on Tuesday, January 03, 2006 - 12:58 am: |
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The Bible, the Inerrant, Infallible, Inspired Word of God - "God said it, I believe it, that settles it." - David Wilkerson |
secure (secure)
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Username: secure
Post Number: 33
Registered: 12-2005
Posted From: 151.199.86.9
| | Posted on Tuesday, January 03, 2006 - 6:11 am: |
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Amen! |
belong2jesus (belong2jesus)
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Username: belong2jesus
Post Number: 259
Registered: 12-2004
Posted From: 202.83.37.33
| | Posted on Tuesday, January 03, 2006 - 10:51 am: |
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It was not only said by David Wilkerson, but much before him preachers used this phrase.
"God said it, I believe it, and that settles it." |
belong2jesus (belong2jesus)
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Username: belong2jesus
Post Number: 261
Registered: 12-2004
Posted From: 202.83.37.33
| | Posted on Tuesday, January 03, 2006 - 10:56 am: |
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Not,
How old are you? 10,12? You should be ashamed of yourself if you're older.
God doesn't create junk.
Sidharth |
arron (arron)
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Username: arron
Post Number: 1035
Registered: 11-2004
Posted From: 68.119.32.209
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well if i can make one happy i am glad. either way whether by pretense, by mockery or by the real GOSPEL THE GOSPEL is preached and reaches out. those who curse and make fun or who mock and make fun will one day have their reward... at the end time. and not maybe this will bring a big laugh... i am praying for you and your co workers. be good |
arron (arron)
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Username: arron
Post Number: 1054
Registered: 11-2004
Posted From: 68.119.32.209
| | Posted on Wednesday, January 11, 2006 - 9:19 pm: |
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GOD is so good to me. tonight when we went to church there was a lot of prophecy. GOD moved and different ones were touched ( by their own admission ) THE POWER OF THE LORD was present praise THE LORD. |
secure (secure)
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Username: secure
Post Number: 47
Registered: 12-2005
Posted From: 71.254.35.93
| | Posted on Wednesday, January 11, 2006 - 9:39 pm: |
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Arron you know if God touched these poeple how many will go out the doors and witness to others tonight and tomorrow and all through the week. Is your church growing? Just a little curious is all. If I see God move I want to see lives changed. Is this happening. |
arron (arron)
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Username: arron
Post Number: 1059
Registered: 11-2004
Posted From: 68.119.32.209
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yes. it is happening. our church is progressing. we are winning souls when i say we i mean the entire congregation. GOD is blessing. the people go and wittnes by their daily lives and not just because they got a prophecy |
secure (secure)
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Username: secure
Post Number: 48
Registered: 12-2005
Posted From: 71.254.35.93
| | Posted on Thursday, January 12, 2006 - 7:28 am: |
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Amen and thank you for sharing. |
