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     churchwork (churchwork) Intermediate Member Username: churchwork Post Number: 498 Registered: 1-2005 Posted From: 142.59.133.44 |
The reason most pentecostals are not born-again is because God said we shall know them by their fruit. Their fruit shows forth their unsalvation as the tares in the outward appearance of the kingdom. They believe in babble gibberish which demands altering the Word of God to contend for this demon of Pentecostalism in their spirit. Nowhere in the Bible do you find tongues means the gibberish babble of Pentecostalism. This heresy started back in the 2nd century under Montanism. http://www3.telus.net/trbrooks/montanism.htm | ||
| arron (arron) Advanced Member Username: arron Post Number: 558 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 66.169.8.34 |
churchwork... i am saved sanctified and filled with THE BLESSED HOLY GHOST. i am born again. i beleive in THE TRINITY nd the pentecostal beleif. you are wrong in your assuption that pentecostals are not born again people. | ||
| churchwork (churchwork) Intermediate Member Username: churchwork Post Number: 500 Registered: 1-2005 Posted From: 142.59.133.44 |
arron, I did not say Pentecostals are not born again. I said most Pentecostals are not born again. Be careful you do not be cunning, sinning bearing false witness. Most Pentecostals are not born again since there is no such thing in the Bible in the false fruit of false tongues of gibberish babble. I pray you let this heresy die on the cross arron and that you may overcome and truly come to the cross to receive God's gift of eternal life. If you are a Christian, soon you will be able to receive deliverance from God from this heresy. If not, this is the reason you are not a Christian as revealed by God the Father, God the Son and God the Spirit. | ||
| arron (arron) Advanced Member Username: arron Post Number: 567 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 66.169.8.34 |
i am a christian.. you are giveng your own interpertation of something you know nothing about. i do speak in tongues and am not deceived nor do i go about sinning. i win souls to THE LORD, | ||
| churchwork (churchwork) Advanced Member Username: churchwork Post Number: 501 Registered: 1-2005 Posted From: 142.59.133.44 |
arron, You are giving your own intepretation of that which you know nothing about. You are speaking to me in a tongue now (called English, which some do not understand this language), but if you mean gibberish babble, this is not a tongue (for it is neither a language or given by the Holy Spirit), since in the Bible there is no gibberish babble. I just to myself now babbled some gibberish as a testimony this is not in the Word, and so after doing it, I had to rebuke it in the name of the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit. Since you can't substantiate it in the Word, know your gibberish babble comes from the evil spirit in your spirit, the demon of Pentecostalism. How sad for you. You do not win souls by giving them a lie. I tell you the truth. If you are a Christian I advize you immediately to seek deliverance from this montanism heresy. If you can not, know that it is not merely possession by the demon of false tongues in your soul, but it is actually unregeneration of the evil spirit in your inner man (or inner woman as the case may be). Please read question #15 here, http://www3.telus.net/trbrooks/needtoagree.htm God willing, you will be delivered. I tell you this truth because I love you and do not want to see you perish. | ||
| churchwork (churchwork) Advanced Member Username: churchwork Post Number: 502 Registered: 1-2005 Posted From: 142.59.133.44 |
Question #15 for Informal Apostles, 15. Do you believe that Pentecostals' tongues (which was practiced in the 2nd century under Montanism) is not Biblical tongues and is not a gift of the Holy Spirit, but (1) is actually for evil entry (with the appearance of being harmless, supernatural or emotionally acceptable as it was designed by the devil for the tares and to deceive brothers and sisters in Christ), by falsely claiming a language that is non-linguistic, which does not derive from a quickened spirit, in its mediums of babble & psychic gibberish; (2) it's companion teaching of repetitive mind drowning of prayer-reading shouting and screaming mantra (usually violent) is not of God, nor is it prayer or reading; and (3) both of these practices create passivity and are used to control people through their emotions by trying to confuse their emotion with or for their spirit? And do you believe that Biblical tongues means "other languages" (and humbly, no other use of tongues is spoken of in the Scriptures) which may be unknown to the hearer, but definitely known by the speaker (otherwise, it becomes passivity), to spread the Word of God to other nations with other languages; even as a sign to those that do not know those languages, and vice versa? (As for example, for the Jews, who observe believers of other languages of other nations praising God of the Bible.) http://biblocality.com/forums/ | ||
| arron (arron) Advanced Member Username: arron Post Number: 573 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 66.169.8.34 |
no i do not... there is no one that can convince me that tongues are not of GOD there may be fasle tongues which issue from another spirit such as demons but the true tongeus that the BIBLE TEACHES IS OF GOD. it is not gibberish. you are one that condemns every one that is not right to do. | ||
| churchwork (churchwork) Advanced Member Username: churchwork Post Number: 505 Registered: 1-2005 Posted From: 142.59.133.44 |
arron, I speak English, so I am not trying to convince you that English is not a tongue. How silly that would be! arron, I do not condemn you. You blame me when you condemn yourself. There is no gibberish in the Bible, so why do you try to alter the Word of God and claim Biblical tongues is gibberish? Do you not realize you are not a Christian? We shall know them by their fruit. Your fruit is in altering God's Word on tongues. Since you can not substantiate gibberish babble in any verse in the Bible, realize that you are demonically possessed by the demon of Pentecostalism who tries to alter the meaning of tongues. How sad for you. I pray one day you give your life to Christ to receive the gift of eternal life. | ||
| godchild (godchild) Senior Member Username: godchild Post Number: 1030 Registered: 1-2005 Posted From: 4.255.46.181 |
churchwork, I do not agree with you as to whether Arron is a Christian. I believe he is. He believes in Christ. I agree that he is deceived (meaning he is not aware of what is false). If any person says they are 'without sin' they are condemning themselves. We are justified by Christ's sacrifice and resurrection in God's eyes by believing in Him. Paul wasn't trying to tell the Corinthians they weren't Christians. He was trying, which is what I am, to describe what the gifts mean. We don't choose the gifts, God does. Paul's reason for this was that the Corinthians thought they were superior to other churches because they all spoke in tongues, and obviously a lot of babbling (meaning not a language), else he wouldn't have had to go into it so fully with them. He told them they were separating themselves, and in order to be unified, to stop what they were doing. Later, the Corinthians took his advice, obviously, because he praised them for it. The whole point of not babbling is that it is useless and causes confusion and separation from the rest of the body. Does a foot say that it is a head? No. But the foot is just as necessary to complete the body. If everybody thinks they have to be the head,  (sorry, can't resist it), how are they going to scratch their nose or get blood to their brain? It is just beyond me why anyone to think that they have to speak in tongues even one time as evidence they have received the Holy Spirit. It makes absolutely no sense. It goes against everything God wants from and for us. There is no value in it. Especially when today the tongues are no more than syllables that cannot be understood. The Holy Spirit communes with our spirit, not our mouth. If I were mute, I would have all that God has to offer. It's my free gift, and yours. When Jesus told the disciples they would have no need to think of what they would say, because the Holy Spirit would give them the words, He was speaking of their thinking. By saying the same sentence in this way, "..they would have no need to think about it, the Holy Spirit would provide a way." They also 'wrote' the gospels through the power of the Holy Spirit. God has always been. The Holy Spirit also has always been, as Jesus Christ has always been. Men needed something they could see, that is why God came in the flesh. They wanted signs. Jesus said there is only one sign to concern ourselves with. He died for our sins and rose from the dead. That sign was so important because it gave us a visual. He died and lived again showing us we can also die and live again. He said those who have not seen Him will be more blessed because we believe by faith, not signs. Remember, the Holy Bible said 'even believers' would be deceived in the end times. | ||
| godchild (godchild) Senior Member Username: godchild Post Number: 1031 Registered: 1-2005 Posted From: 4.255.46.181 |
I want 'tongue speakers' to think about this. Are you greater than God, who is Christ? Look at the signs He showed to men: (John uses Jesus' miracles as an organizing principle in his Gospel. He calls them all 'semeia' or signs, indicating that each miracle was a concrete demonstration of Jesus' divinity and messiahship. 1. Turning water into wine (Jesus demonstrated His creative power over nature). 2. Healing of the noblemans's son. (This sign showed that Jesus was not a mere mortal, that he could not only defeat disease, but could transcend space) Jesus was in a different place. 3. The man at the pool that Jesus told to 'pick up your bed and walk'. Jesus didn't even touch him but the man got up and walked. 4. Jesus feeding the five thousand. (Jesus was demonstrating His deity, because only God can create). 5. Jesus walking on the water. (Jesus demonstrated His complete control of the wind and the water). 6. The faith of the blind man when Jesus placed mud on his eyes. (The man believed and could see). 7. Raising Lazarus. (Jesus demonstrated His power over the grave). But these are not the point I want to make. Tongue-speakers says that speaking in tongues builds up the church, that they bring prophesy and healings. Are people flocking to the pentecostal churches in droves? With all the miraculous signs that Jesus gave, did all come to Him? Did His own receive Him? Did all believe He was God in the flesh? Do all believe today? You know the answers. Do you think you have more power than Jesus Christ? The way we bring others to Christ is to obey Him and share His Word. | ||
| turtle (turtle) Intermediate Member Username: turtle Post Number: 404 Registered: 9-2005 Posted From: 151.199.115.125 |
What you want godchild is for a pencostal to glorify themselves above God tha is blasphyme? Why would you want someone to sin. Do you feel you are greater then God? Do you have a god complex from your mormon days????? Pencostal are not mormons. We know who is great tHat is God. He is Lord we are just a servant. What is your problem do you not see yourself as a servant. We will never claim such blasphyme. | ||
| churchwork (churchwork) Advanced Member Username: churchwork Post Number: 516 Registered: 1-2005 Posted From: 142.59.133.44 |
godchild, You are making the same error as the Pentecostal gibberish babblers and falling into their same trap. You make this mistake by claiming that tongues is what they say it is since you claim what they do to be tongues - you said "they...speak in tongues". Yet the Bible does not say tongues is babble gibberish. Biblically tongues is not what they do. Lots of people say they believe in Christ, but deep down inside, surely not everyone who says so, in fact is. I would not overassume people are Christians, when they are not. All I can say is percentage wise, less Pentecostals are saved then non-Pentecostals, all else being equal. godchild, you are mistaken. You wrote, "because they all spoke in tongues, and obviously a lot of babbling (meaning not a language), else he wouldn't have had to go into it so fully with them". It is not true what you claim that tongues means babble, for the Corinthians were speaking in different languages and it was confusing and inconsiderate to others to be speaking so many different languages in assembly. This is why Paul had to go into fully with them to deliver them from lack of organization and consideration for others when fellowshipping. There is no mention of today's Pentecostalism babbling in the Bible. The Bible simply does not address such gibberish. Understand you are being confused, for you said, "It is just beyond me why anyone to think that they have to speak in tongues". Why is it that you do not think people should speak to each other in languages and have such gifts for the church in these languages? We are not mutes! Can you sense how this demon of Pentecostalism works? He even convinces those who do not believe in the gibberish babble, when they claim tongues is that gibberish babble (which it is not). If it were then the Bible would be a lie, for the Bible embraces tongues for building the body of Christ, not by babble, but through languages to spread the Word to the nations. http://biblocality.com/forums | ||
| arron (arron) Advanced Member Username: arron Post Number: 574 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 66.169.8.34 |
churchwork .. you are the first one who said that tongues were gibbish read your own post the first on this board. i speak in tongues and it is not gibberish.. | ||
| godchild (godchild) Senior Member Username: godchild Post Number: 1034 Registered: 1-2005 Posted From: 4.255.41.4 |
churchwork, when a whole bunch of people are speaking at the same time, it sounds like gibberish. I have made my opinion very clear that I do not consider what pentecostals call 'speaking in tongues' to be of the Holy Spirit. Today, whether it is called 'speaking in tongues' or 'gibberish', people believe in it, for all the wrong reasons. I have stated more than once that the 'speaking in tongues' by pentecostals is not a language, and therefore has no value except to make people think they are being 'baptized in the Holy Spirit'. Of course, I got no answer to what Jesus meant when He said He had to be baptized in a baptism He wished were over with. He was not speaking of the Holy Spirit baptism, His annointing, as He already had that. It wasn't the water baptism, because John had already baptized Him. I'd like to hear what others believe He was speaking of and why He called it baptism? turtle, not only can you not write, but you obviously can't comprehend plain english either. How ridiculous you are to say that I think anyone should sin. And get it through your head that I do not have any current affiliation with the mormon church or their beliefs. They are more like you in that they also believe in speaking in tongues for today. Where did you say you got your authority from? Oh, that's right. You always avoid the questions you cannot give an open/honest answer to. | ||
| arron (arron) Advanced Member Username: arron Post Number: 579 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 66.169.8.34 |
godchild when JESUS said HE had a baptisum to be baptised with HE was speaking abour HIS going to the cross and suffering for us. HE also did not say that he was baptised in.. in ... a baptisum but asked could they be baptised with the baptisum HE was baptised with. | ||
| godchild (godchild) Senior Member Username: godchild Post Number: 1036 Registered: 1-2005 Posted From: 4.255.45.49 |
arron, bless your heart. | ||
| churchwork (churchwork) Advanced Member Username: churchwork Post Number: 517 Registered: 1-2005 Posted From: 142.59.133.44 |
arron, I never said tongues were gibberish. If I did you could show it. To speak in tongues is to speak in a language and as tongues go, others do not know those languages. Penetocalism gibberish is not Biblical tongues. People can steal the word Pentecostal and steal the word tongues, but it does not mean they are Pentecostal or they speak in tongues when they are performing Pentecostalism gibberish babble. godchild, the baptism of the Holy Spirit is burial and resurrected with Christ with or without water. godchild, notice you have the same problem, making the same mistake as the Pentecostals, when you wrote, "They are more like you in that they also believe in speaking in tongues for today". Tongues are for today just as tongues were in the first century. The Bible uses the words tongues, but tongues are not gibberish, so why do you attack the Pentecostals for speaking tongues; they do not speak in tongues when they babble gibberish pawened off as languages (tongues). What they do is not considered Biblical tongues. The same baptism is the baptism of coming out of the world for service in burial and resurrection with Christ, which is the meaning of the baptism of water, which in effect is with or without water. http://biblocality.com/forums | ||
| godchild (godchild) Senior Member Username: godchild Post Number: 1037 Registered: 1-2005 Posted From: 4.255.45.49 |
churchwork, we have a communication problem. I totally agree that what pentecostals do is not considered Biblical tongues. | ||
| churchwork (churchwork) Advanced Member Username: churchwork Post Number: 518 Registered: 1-2005 Posted From: 208.38.57.150 |
godchild, Look at your contradiction when you wrote, "because they all spoke in tongues, and obviously a lot of babbling (meaning not a language)." Tongues are Biblical, which are languages, so why do you say they all spoke in tongues as babbling? You are making the same mistake as the Pentecostals. To speak in tongues is to speak languages, so why do you say, "It is just beyond me why anyone to think that they have to speak in tongues". If you do not speak in a tongue, then you become a mute, since you do not know any language. What you don't realize is that you are making the same mistake as the Pentecostals, since you call tongues babble, when the Bible says tongues means languages. Realize this is your communication problem and double-tongue. Correct yourself. The Word of God is true, tongues are a gift for the church. http://biblocality.com/forums | ||
| arron (arron) Advanced Member Username: arron Post Number: 581 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 66.169.8.34 |
churhc work you did say tongues were gibberish.. now read your own posts and see. why dont you just stop trying to say something if you are going to deny it later. | ||
| churchwork (churchwork) Advanced Member Username: churchwork Post Number: 519 Registered: 1-2005 Posted From: 142.59.133.44 |
arron, I did not say tongues are gibberish. If I did, you could quote me and show it, but you don't even try, which is selfish to declare something and refuse to back it up. Don't you know it is a sin to bear false witness? Maybe you do know, but you don't care. http://biblocality.com | ||
| arron (arron) Advanced Member Username: arron Post Number: 589 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 66.169.8.34 |
churchwork.. nov 24 3:22... you said why beleive inthe babble gibberish that demands the altering of the word of GOD to contend for this demon of pentecostalism in their spirit... on nov 24 at 8:02 know your gibberish babble come from an evil spirit in your spirit the demon of pentecostalism | ||
| arron (arron) Advanced Member Username: arron Post Number: 590 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 66.169.8.34 |
on nov 25 you said know that you, meanmin me are not a christian on nov 25 you said you are makeing the same error a s the pentecostal gibberish babblers... | ||
| churchwork (churchwork) Advanced Member Username: churchwork Post Number: 520 Registered: 1-2005 Posted From: 142.59.133.44 |
Arron, I said these things. Amen. But that does not help you in your case where you claimed I said tongues are gibberish. I did not say this. So why sin bearing false witness? | ||
| arron (arron) Advanced Member Username: arron Post Number: 594 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 66.169.8.34 |
what do you mean you did not say tongues were gibberish.. you were talking about tongues... you were talking about pentecostals.. dont try to deny it. | ||
| churchwork (churchwork) Advanced Member Username: churchwork Post Number: 523 Registered: 1-2005 Posted From: 142.59.133.44 |
Arron, Tongues are not gibberish. Pentecostals do not speak tongues when they speak gibberish. Most pentecostals are hellbound. We shall know them by their fruit as they try alter God's loving Word. | ||
| arron (arron) Advanced Member Username: arron Post Number: 603 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 66.169.8.34 |
i am pentecostal and i speak in tongues. i am not hell bound i am heavne bound | ||
| arron (arron) Advanced Member Username: arron Post Number: 604 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 66.169.8.34 |
no more argueing goodby not... hello everyone else | ||
| arron (arron) Advanced Member Username: arron Post Number: 606 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 66.169.8.34 |
no more argueing churchwork... goodby... hello every one else | ||
| churchwork (churchwork) Advanced Member Username: churchwork Post Number: 525 Registered: 1-2005 Posted From: 142.59.133.44 |
arron, You do not speak in tongues when you speak Pentecostal gibberish. You are trying to alter the Word of God with your gibberish that is not Biblical tongues. You shouldn't argue. I have not argued with you, but I have told you the truth. This your false fruit is not of God. God's Word says we shall know them by their fruit. Thus, you are hellbound as you prefer the fruit of the demon of Pentecostalism, do not care for deliverance from this lie, and care not for the the fruit of the Holy Spirit. The tares are not Christians. Masquerade as you will, but it will not help you one iota. Your choice. http://biblocality.com/forums | ||
| arron (arron) Advanced Member Username: arron Post Number: 607 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 66.169.8.34 |
praise THE LORD that i am saved sanctified and HOLY GHOST filled i speak in tongues. i praise THE LORD THAT I AM SAVED BY THE BLOOD OF JESUS. i am also careful that i do not blaspheme THE SPIRIT OF GOD by attribiting HIS WORK to the enemy the devil. this is for all others who are posting here besides n and cw | ||
| churchwork (churchwork) Advanced Member Username: churchwork Post Number: 526 Registered: 1-2005 Posted From: 142.59.133.44 |
Some Christians can speak other languages, that is, tongues for the spread of the Word to other nations of other languages and as a testimony others of other tongues can be saved too in Acts. There are over 2 billion souls on the planet that say they are Christians, but surely they are not all born-again. Who are the Pharisees today? They would be the likes of Pentecostals and the Roman Catholic adherets and calvinists and those who try to marry the state to the church; they are the non-OSASers and the historicalists. The largest two groups are the RCC and the Pentecostals; this should be indication something is wrong in their two systems, which you can prove by what they teach, for example, co-redemptrix or false tongues. Let us discern the truth about the unsalvation of arron who alters God's loving Word for gibberish babble idolatry nowhere to be found in the Word. It is merely a heresy formulated under Montanism in the 2nd century. There is nothing new under the sun. Enough time has gone by for this old heresy to resurface in the late 19th century. Even Luther did not appreciate these antics and the pride false tongue speakers exalted themselves with unspiritual gibberish babble. Man wants to feel special to find some special teaching to exalt himself with, and he will alter the Word of God in a heartbeat if he can get this. This is cause for evil entry as it was designed to do, thus without humility in the Lord. This is the truth. Those who do not love the truth, will not accept it and find any occasion for excuse or redirection. That is the way of the tares and the world for they will not repent. They rarely do. That is why so few are saved for so few give their lives to Christ. http://www3.telus.net/trbrooks/montanism.htm http://biblocality.com/forums | ||
| churchwork (churchwork) Advanced Member Username: churchwork Post Number: 527 Registered: 1-2005 Posted From: 142.59.133.44 |
arron, You sound like you are desparately trying to convince yourself. This is called will worship which is worshipping with your own strength. It is like making your license plate on your car read "IM OK". This shall not save you or ever bring you closer to God, not even to receive regeneration. May you yet give your life to Christ for real and receive the infilling of the Holy Spirit one day. When that day comes, if ever, you will be able to distinguish it from the replicatory work you are engaged in of gibberish babble of the carnal mind and infilling of the evil spirit by false tongues. My prayers go out to you. | ||
| arron (arron) Advanced Member Username: arron Post Number: 615 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 66.169.8.34 |
praise GOD FOR THE TRINITY FOR THE FATHER THE SON AND THE HOLY GHOST. FOR LOVING ME AND SAVING ME AND KEEPING ME SAVED AND FRO THE IN FILLING OF THE HOLY GHOST with the evidence of tongues | ||
| churchwork (churchwork) Advanced Member Username: churchwork Post Number: 528 Registered: 1-2005 Posted From: 208.38.57.150 |
Praise God for the fruit of the Spirit and for the gift of tongues (other languages) that God gives to some for the church, which is not babble gibberish of Pentecostals. I love God that He excludes the tares. | ||
| arron (arron) Advanced Member Username: arron Post Number: 617 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 66.169.8.34 |
PRAISE god for the trinity for the gift of tongues, which is a supernatural lanquage that GOD gives to the church for the use of HIS glory. i love THE LORD JESUS WHO blesses HIS children praise THE LORD. | ||
| churchwork (churchwork) Advanced Member Username: churchwork Post Number: 541 Registered: 1-2005 Posted From: 142.59.133.44 |
Praise God for the Trinity, not trinity, for the supernatural language which is language given by God to speak words of salvation, and not false tongues of gibberish Pentecostals babble. | ||
| arron (arron) Advanced Member Username: arron Post Number: 625 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 66.169.8.34 |
PRAISE THE LORD JESUS | ||
| churchwork (churchwork) Advanced Member Username: churchwork Post Number: 552 Registered: 1-2005 Posted From: 142.59.133.44 |
Praise the Lord Jesus, we shall know them by their fruit (Luke 6.44). | ||
| arron (arron) Advanced Member Username: arron Post Number: 630 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 66.169.8.34 |
praise THE LORD ALL WHO ARE SAVED BY THE POWER OF THE BLOOD OF JESUS | ||
| churchwork (churchwork) Advanced Member Username: churchwork Post Number: 557 Registered: 1-2005 Posted From: 142.59.133.44 |
Praise the Lord Biblical tongues are known languages to the speaker. | ||
| turtle (turtle) Intermediate Member Username: turtle Post Number: 440 Registered: 9-2005 Posted From: 151.199.115.125 |
Praise the Lord for he is all loving, righteous,merciful,just, all knowing, Savior and Lord. All His promises are true. Praise Him. (Message edited by turtle on November 29, 2005) | ||
| churchwork (churchwork) Advanced Member Username: churchwork Post Number: 562 Registered: 1-2005 Posted From: 142.59.133.44 |
Amen. Let us pray that the unsaved Pentecostals give their lives to Christ one day so that they may be delivered from false tongues. | ||
| arron (arron) Advanced Member Username: arron Post Number: 639 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 66.169.8.34 |
praise THE LORD JESUS and ask HIM to help the unsaved to get saved and believe on HIS NAME. | ||
| churchwork (churchwork) Advanced Member Username: churchwork Post Number: 574 Registered: 1-2005 Posted From: 142.59.133.44 |
Do not pray for the unholy baptism of Pentecostalism, babble gibberish altering the Word. | ||
| arron (arron) Advanced Member Username: arron Post Number: 649 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 66.169.8.34 |
ask GOD for the gifts. for the baptisum of THE HOLY GHOST and ask HIM for the gifts of THE SPIRIT, gift of tongues of interpertation of healings of prophecy of word of wisdom of word of knowledge of faith amd so forth what ever GOD wants to give you. | ||
| churchwork (churchwork) Advanced Member Username: churchwork Post Number: 586 Registered: 1-2005 Posted From: 142.59.133.44 |
Do not ask for the babble gibberish of Pentecostals false tongues for this is demonic. http://www3.telus.net/trbrooks/montanism.htm http://www3.telus.net/trbrooks/FalseTongues.htm Read. Try to learn something, instead of remaining possessed by the demon of Pentecostalism. | ||
| churchwork (churchwork) Advanced Member Username: churchwork Post Number: 587 Registered: 1-2005 Posted From: 142.59.133.44 |
Also, it is wrong to tell someone to get the baptism of the Holy Spirit when they already have been baptized in the Holy Spirit. It shows you are puffed up when you do that. This is why God says, "not laying again a foundation of repentance from dead works, and of faith toward God, of the teaching of baptisms [i.e. water, Spirit, fire]" (Heb. 6.1-2). Why go against God's Word when God says His will is "not laying again...the teachings of baptism [of the Holy Spirit]". Do you not know that baptism of water and the Holy Spirit is burial and resurrection with Christ, for service, to come out of the world? God does not desire that you crucify yourself again and again. He crucified us once already with Him on the cross and in punishment for our sins. | ||
| turtle (turtle) Intermediate Member Username: turtle Post Number: 449 Registered: 9-2005 Posted From: 151.199.115.125 |
Shows you don't understand to much. YOu took hebrews out of context. | ||
| churchwork (churchwork) Advanced Member Username: churchwork Post Number: 596 Registered: 1-2005 Posted From: 142.59.133.44 |
Vague accusations don't count. God deals in specifics. Hebrew is in context. arron is not a Christian; he is enganged in gibberish babble, that is false tongues of Pentecostals. We shall know them by their fruit, and as you pointed out his getting off on arguing. Now this grand heresy is all fully documented here if you would like to learn about it, that may play a siginficant role utilized by the Antichrist to deceive souls on mass by creating mass delusion. http://www3.telus.net/trbrooks/montanism.htm | ||
| turtle (turtle) Intermediate Member Username: turtle Post Number: 451 Registered: 9-2005 Posted From: 151.199.115.125 |
Hebrews 6:1-20 1 Therefore leaving the principles of the doctrine of Christ, let us go on unto perfection; not laying again the foundation of repentance from dead works, and of faith toward God, 2 Of the doctrine of baptisms, and of laying on of hands, and of resurrection of the dead, and of eternal judgment. 3 And this will we do, if God permit. 4 For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost, 5 And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come, 6 If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame. 7 For the earth which drinketh in the rain that cometh oft upon it, and bringeth forth herbs meet for them by whom it is dressed, receiveth blessing from God: 8 But that which beareth thorns and briers is rejected, and is nigh unto cursing; whose end is to be burned. 9 But, beloved, we are persuaded better things of you, and things that accompany salvation, though we thus speak. 10 For God is not unrighteous to forget your work and labour of love, which ye have shewed toward his name, in that ye have ministered to the saints, and do minister. 11 And we desire that every one of you do shew the same diligence to the full assurance of hope unto the end: 12 That ye be not slothful, but followers of them who through faith and patience inherit the promises. 13 For when God made promise to Abraham, because he could swear by no greater, he sware by himself, 14 Saying, Surely blessing I will bless thee, and multiplying I will multiply thee. 15 And so, after he had patiently endured, he obtained the promise. 16 For men verily swear by the greater: and an oath for confirmation is to them an end of all strife. 17 Wherein God, willing more abundantly to shew unto the heirs of promise the immutability of his counsel, confirmed it by an oath: 18 That by two immutable things, in which it was impossible for God to lie, we might have a strong consolation, who have fled for refuge to lay hold upon the hope set before us: 19 Which hope we have as an anchor of the soul, both sure and stedfast, and which entereth into that within the veil; 20 Whither the forerunner is for us entered, even Jesus, made an high priest for ever after the order of Melchisedec. | ||
| churchwork (churchwork) Advanced Member Username: churchwork Post Number: 601 Registered: 1-2005 Posted From: 142.59.133.44 |
Amen. Here is some helpful study notes for you on Hebrews 6. http://www3.telus.net/trbrooks/1Tim4.htm | ||
| turtle (turtle) Intermediate Member Username: turtle Post Number: 453 Registered: 9-2005 Posted From: 151.199.115.125 |
churchwork, Can we have an good conversation if you know I am pentecostal? Let me ask you something what group of pentecostal did you have a problem with, because Arron and I just might agree with you. But not all pentecostal are the same. | ||
| churchwork (churchwork) Advanced Member Username: churchwork Post Number: 606 Registered: 1-2005 Posted From: 142.59.133.44 |
All Pentecostals and all groups of Pentecostals are wrong. Not even one is right. I am not saying every single last Pentecostal is going to hell, only the vast majority, for they are the equivalent of the Pharisees today in altering God's Word by saying tongues means gibberish babble. It is not so. You just don't find this teaching in the Bible. http://www3.telus.net/trbrooks/FalseTongues.htm | ||
| turtle (turtle) Intermediate Member Username: turtle Post Number: 454 Registered: 9-2005 Posted From: 151.199.115.125 |
They don't say it means gibberish babble. I receive healing after tongues and interpetation was given to me. I know this was of God i was in pain for over eight long years. Yes i do agree some are cults and some are show offs. But not all of them are. | ||
| arron (arron) Advanced Member Username: arron Post Number: 665 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 66.169.8.34 |
hey turtle you and i are famous according to not | ||
| churchwork (churchwork) Advanced Member Username: churchwork Post Number: 610 Registered: 1-2005 Posted From: 142.59.133.44 |
They don't have to say it means gibberish babble. I have asked them to repeate it, and it is gibberish babble. If you received a healing after gibberish babble, realize you falsely attribute the healing to the gibberish babble. For example, if I get rid of my cold as I walked past gas station, do I attribute my healing to the gas station? No, of course not. Same with interpretation. You can go to 5 interpretations of your gibberish babble, and I assure you, you will receive 5 different answers-there being no consistency. This is the psychic babble and charlatans at work. It is the evil spirit working his wiles through these means which demands the alteration of God's Word on Biblical tongues. Whatever your pain, and however much it remains has nothing to do with false tongues of Pentecostalism. I tell you the truth. http://biblocality.com/forums Also, because Satan is so conniving, do not rule out that he would actually give you healing if it would get you to believe in a lie or attribute a false cause so he can build on his deceptions through that false cause he has imprinted on your heart that you willingly accept. | ||
| churchwork (churchwork) Advanced Member Username: churchwork Post Number: 613 Registered: 1-2005 Posted From: 142.59.133.44 |
People like to puff themselves up on something or some special knowledge. | ||
| turtle (turtle) Intermediate Member Username: turtle Post Number: 455 Registered: 9-2005 Posted From: 151.199.115.125 |
Churchwork, I consider myself still learning. My education will go through out my life. God is all knowing and all knowledge but poor old turtle is not. Some pentecostal do act that way. But the truth is they have the same struggles as everyone else. | ||
| churchwork (churchwork) Advanced Member Username: churchwork Post Number: 614 Registered: 1-2005 Posted From: 142.59.133.44 |
Since most Pentecostals are not Christians, they do not go through the same struggles as born-again believers. All Pentecostals in their false tongues act this way with gibberish babble. That is why they are Pentecostals. What you need is deliverance turtle, deliverance from the demonic possession of false tongues. More paralysis by analysis is not going to give you this deliverance. You need God's grace which requires your repentance from living a lie. | ||
| turtle (turtle) Intermediate Member Username: turtle Post Number: 456 Registered: 9-2005 Posted From: 151.199.115.125 |
I have God's grace and it is wonderful. I believe the Bible is the inspired word of God. I believe in the Trinity in three person but one. I believe Jesus Christ died for me. His shed blood was for my sins and will has my healing. I believe in the gifts of the Holy Spirit as well as the fruits of the Holy Spirit. I believe tongues is evidence but not necessarily the only evidence of tongues. And not last statement of faith but not least but most important Is Jesus is Lord. | ||
| churchwork (churchwork) Advanced Member Username: churchwork Post Number: 619 Registered: 1-2005 Posted From: 142.59.133.44 |
You do not believe in Biblical tongues turtle, nor even the fruits of the Spirit or the gifts of God. If you did believe, then you would not alter God's Word and claim Biblical tongues means gibberish babble of the Pentecostals. Biblical tongues is a gift of the Holy Spirit, which you do not believe in and you reject the fruit of the Spirit which would include repenting from this heresy. You have given no indication to believe you are a Christian turtle, for God said we shall know them by their fruit. You are lost, possessed, and can't repent. Not a good a situation! | ||
| turtle (turtle) Intermediate Member Username: turtle Post Number: 458 Registered: 9-2005 Posted From: 151.199.115.125 |
churchwork says Posted on Wednesday, November 30, 2005 - 4:43 pm: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- You do not believe in Biblical tongues turtle, nor even the fruits of the Spirit or the gifts of God. If you did believe, then you would not alter God's Word and claim Biblical tongues means gibberish babble of the Pentecostals. Biblical tongues is a gift of the Holy Spirit, which you do not believe in and you reject the fruit of the Spirit which would include repenting from this heresy. You have given no indication to believe you are a Christian turtle, for God said we shall know them by their fruit. You are lost, possessed, and can't repent. Not a good a situation Yes churchwork I had to repent for my sins when I got saved. All that confess Jesus as Lord must. I wonder why you feel I am not a christian. But first tell what denomination are you from?? Maybe if I knew a little of your church doctrine or your doctrine maybe then I could see why you say this. | ||
| churchwork (churchwork) Advanced Member Username: churchwork Post Number: 621 Registered: 1-2005 Posted From: 142.59.133.44 |
Why ask me why I know you are not a Christian when I have already said? I am not in a denomination. First deal with your unsalvation. The reason I have told you the truth is because it is true. No other reason. Why does this offend you? | ||
| turtle (turtle) Intermediate Member Username: turtle Post Number: 459 Registered: 9-2005 Posted From: 151.199.115.125 |
Because i know Jesus saved me and He made me whole. I do not need to believe what you say. I just wanted to know why you think what you do??? But you seem very capable of speaking things with no proof. | ||
| churchwork (churchwork) Advanced Member Username: churchwork Post Number: 623 Registered: 1-2005 Posted From: 142.59.133.44 |
Not only do you turtle, not need to believe what I say, a child of God telling you the truth, which you make perfectly clear, you also do not need to believe what God says, since you alter His Word, when you claim Biblical tongues is gibberish babble. Plus, you don't even care that you have no proof to believe this lie, whereas I have provided you full proof, http://www3.telus.net/trbrooks/FalseTongues.htm That is that. | ||
| churchwork (churchwork) Advanced Member Username: churchwork Post Number: 632 Registered: 1-2005 Posted From: 142.59.133.44 |
I believe a person who has no intention of repenting ever from babble gibberish of Pentecostal montanism false tongues, probably was never born-again and would be considered the Pharisaical tares of Matthew 13 as the tare looks like the wheat as it grows side by side. They are those with the appearance of being clean on the outside with cloven hooves, but inside they are dirty, not chewing their cud; that is, unregenerate. These are the swine. http://biblocality.com/forums If you agree, then this forum might be a place for you. | ||
| arron (arron) Advanced Member Username: arron Post Number: 676 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 66.169.8.34 |
praise THE LORD FOR BEING SAVED. also to the one who is hanging up their sword.. i know you want hang it up.. the devll never does. | ||
| arron (arron) Advanced Member Username: arron Post Number: 677 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 66.169.8.34 |
also to churchwork,,,may GOD help you to get fully born again..as for not.. who may be kevkev as she/he put it i dont think they will ever accept CHRIST . | ||
| churchwork (churchwork) Advanced Member Username: churchwork Post Number: 637 Registered: 1-2005 Posted From: 142.59.133.44 |
Praise the Lord we shall know them by their fruit as the tares unsaved in such things not of God like unBiblical gibberish babble. Some Christians seem as though they are only half-saved, meaning, they have accepted substition, but know nothing of co-death identification. This is needed for overcoming as there is more to God's redemptive design then just forgiveness of sins. This is not the problem arron has though, of course. Arron's problem is the baptism of the unholy spirit of false tongues (an idol). When arron was considering salvation, or constantly seeing the false tongues by others under peer pressure, or thought he was being saved, what entered into his live was the unholy baptism; this is why he has not received new birth and can not receive the infilling of the Holy Spirit. He is essentially blocked out from the kingdom of God. If you are around something long enough, you will be inordinately influenced by it. This is the way false tongues works. If you are around people enough possessed by the demon of Pentecostalism, you will think this is spiritual reality when it is not; not to mention the fact many children impressionably grow up under parents demonically possessed by false tongues. If you agree with this, this forum may be for you, http://biblocality.com/forums | ||
| churchwork (churchwork) Advanced Member Username: churchwork Post Number: 638 Registered: 1-2005 Posted From: 142.59.133.44 |
Satan's aim is to produce a replicatory work right at that moment when you are to be born-again so that you don't receive new birth. Few are the Christians that are deceived by false tongues, but even some Christians can be possessed and deceived, needing deliverance from this heresy that showed itself in full force under Montanism in the 2nd century, and reanimated under Pentecostalism in the late 19th century. Even Luther was confronted this problem observing these souls possessed by the demon of gibberish babble. He is recorded as getting quite angry with them, which he need not if he knew they in fact were hellbound. Once you realize they are going to hell, you know you can do nothing to help them, because that is in fact what they want, to be the tares, and to find out what hell is like, even to be with Satan forever and eternally separated from God. | ||
| easeltine (easeltine) Advanced Member Username: easeltine Post Number: 956 Registered: 5-2005 Posted From: 64.136.27.225 |
The posts of Churchwork reflect the logical conclusions of Dispensationalism and their accompanying beliefs regarding Demonology. A. The Gifts of Tongues have ceased at the close of the Apostolic Age. B. All supernatural Gifts of the Holy Spirit as recorded in 1 Corinthians 12-14 have ceased at the close of the Apostolic Age. Therefore logically according to Dispensationalism: A. Everybody that practices a supernatural Charisma Gift of the Holy Spirit as recorded in 1 Corinthians 12-14 is possessed by a demon and therefore unsaved. Dispensationalism is totally false, there is not truth in the belief Scripturally, or historically. Dispensationalism takes the scissors out and cuts all the words in Scripture of Jesus regarding faith for miracles, cuts all the book of Acts, and cuts 1 Corinthians 12-14, (especially 1 Cor. 13:1). True Christianity and true salvation is believed by Pentecostalism the same way as Fundamentalists. It is not thought of as a cult by most Fundamentalists like Josh McDowell, (see Handbook of Today's Religions), or Billy Graham, (see The Billy Graham Christian Worker's Handbook). The Fundamental doctrines of Christianity are core to the beliefs of Pentecostals. Go to the Assembly of God website and study the Scriptures given regarding salvation. The following Scriptures express what saves us and is most important. Romans 10:9 - "That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus Christ and believe in your heart that God hath raised Him from the dead thou shalt be saved." 1 John 4:7,8 - "Beloved let us love one another, for love is of God and everyone that loveth is born of God and knoweth God, he that loveth not knoweth not God for God is love." John 3:16,17 - "For God so loved the world that He gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth on Him shall not perish, but have everlasting life. For God did not send His Son into the world to condemn the world, but that the world through Him might be saved." The views of Dispensationalism and their false teachers are extreme and incorrect. Pentecostalism rose up due to the dryness of Dispensationalism. Listen even to what the Dispensationalist friend of John Mac Arthur's, Charles Ryrie wrote in the book, "The Holy Spirit", "Undoubtedly modern Pentecostalism is a reaction to the sterility that began to characterize the established churches in the modern era." The statements and beliefs of Dispensationalists regarding Pentecostals has created quite a barrier between groups in Christianity. Pentecostals see the denial of the Gifts of the Holy Spirit, including Speaking in Tongues, by the Dispensationalists as the same sin as the Pharisee's, specifically, believing that miracles of God are miracles of Satan. This concerns us since we don't think that miracles from the Lord Jesus Christ are taking place, we KNOW that miracles from the Lord Jesus Christ are taking place. | ||
| easeltine (easeltine) Advanced Member Username: easeltine Post Number: 957 Registered: 5-2005 Posted From: 64.136.27.225 |
Churchwork, This is how this Troy Brooks link that you gave regarding speaking in tongues starts off: "I find that if I was to select one Bible that in total is the most accurate, I would have to say it is the RSV. It was written during and shortly after WWII by thirty authors of non-RCC origin." He bases his entire ideas that follows on the RSV being better than the KJV. This person doesn't know what he is talking about! The RSV is one of the most modern, liberal translations ever! Non-RCC...OK...but Westcott and Hort are totally Anglican modernists, involved in occult experiments! There are good reasons for Jerry Falwell having every version on software except the RSV! The RSV does not take into account the Textus Receptus, nor any of the older manuscripts, it relies solely on the Westcott and Hort version of the Greek NT. He states that there are only 30 authors for the RSV, even the KJV had 51 authors. If author is even the correct word? This version is considered to be the worst, most liberal by most Fundamentalists and Pentecostals alike. I am not a KJV-Only person, but his entire basis for his article is incorrect. NASB, NKJV are much better modern translations, they take into account the older manuscripts and capitalize all personal pronouns regarding God. | ||
| easeltine (easeltine) Advanced Member Username: easeltine Post Number: 958 Registered: 5-2005 Posted From: 64.136.27.225 |
I remember the other reason the RSV is so bad. It is because it is the only Translation that actually had known ATHIESTS help out in the Translation! Well of course a guy who doesn't believe that the supernatural Gifts of the Holy Spirit are active today is going to like the RSV Translation the best...sort of figures! | ||
| loverofchrist (loverofchrist) Intermediate Member Username: loverofchrist Post Number: 273 Registered: 5-2005 Posted From: 216.222.103.246 |
"This is how this Troy Brooks link that you gave regarding speaking in tongues starts off:..." easeltine, "churchwork" is Troy Brooks. Everything on that website is either his, or he co-opted it from somewhere else. | ||
| anoynomous (anoynomous) Member Username: anoynomous Post Number: 77 Registered: 10-2005 Posted From: 64.53.137.20 |
do any one know what took place on the DAY OF PENTECOST READ ACTS CHAPTER 2 NOT ONLY DID THE PROMISE OF THE HOLY GHOST COME WITH THE EVIDENCE OF SPEAKING IN TONGUES AS THE SPIRIT GAVE THE UTTERANCE ALSO PETER PREACHED ABOUT JESUS AND PEOPLE GOT BAPTISED IN THE NAME OF JESUS CHRIST PETER PREACHED THAT MESSAGE SO EVERYONE UNDERSTOOD SO TONGUES WAS A MIRACLE OF GOD'S DOING SHOWING HIS COMING INTO YOUR BEING. | ||
| loverofchrist (loverofchrist) Intermediate Member Username: loverofchrist Post Number: 274 Registered: 5-2005 Posted From: 216.222.103.246 |
"Satan's aim is to produce a replicatory work right at that moment when you are to be born-again so that you don't receive new birth." Prove this through Scripture. "...Once you realize they are going to hell, you know you can do nothing to help them, because that is in fact what they want, to be the tares, and to find out what hell is like, even to be with Satan forever and eternally separated from God." That's a pretty bold statement to make, Troy. Do you truly believe that Pentecostals want to go to hell, and that it is not the job of Christians to try and help them avoid hell? Prove it through Scripture, please. | ||
| churchwork (churchwork) Advanced Member Username: churchwork Post Number: 640 Registered: 1-2005 Posted From: 142.59.133.44 |
The gift of tongues are still present today as all supernatural gifts remain, and believed by dispensationalism, that is, God working through time. This agrees with dispensationalism as taught in the Word. This is the meaning of dispensationalism. Is Satan not the great false accuser? Observe easeltine's words, "a guy who doesn't believe that the supernatural Gifts". I believe in the supernatural gifts. God makes it clear, many will profess every last word of the Bible, yet still not be saved, because there professing is fake. So God says, we shall know them by their fruit. False tongues is a false fruit not of God. The equivalent of the Pharisees are those of montanism (2nd century) who engaged in the same gibberish babble as the Pentecostals who do not accept Biblical tongues. Pentecostals are just reviving an old heresy. I find some serious errors in the KJV that I don't find in other versions. For example, KJV confuses sheol or hades with hell. They are not the same. Also, the KJV is notorious for adding in stuff, like the Trinity. The Trinity of course is true, but you do not need to add, what is already revealed in the Word. Another thing I observed was in Rev. 5.10, the "we" should read them, since it is the archangels praising the saved, not the saved praising themselves, which can be puffed up. I like the one two punch of the ASV and the RSV. By the basis of comparison the ASV and RSV are more accurate in total, that is, by dealing specifically, and not by general claims. God deals specifically. I like the NASB, NRSV and NLT, but I find the language takes too many liberties. I am not saying ASV and the RSV are always the best, but more often than not their rendering is better for the English language. loverofanotherchrist is an lsm/lc cult member and is not born-again. He believes in the 6 major sins of leeism. Understand what took place on the day of Pentecost, http://www3.telus.net/trbrooks/FalseTongues.htm Nowhere do you find the gibberish babble of the demon of Pentecostalism present anywhere in Acts. Notice loverofantoherchrist's desire, to suppose that the devil would not desire to produce a replicatory work when he wrote, "prove this". Jesus said there would be false Christs. O ye of no faith. He can not find in the Scriptures that Satan would not want to replicate salvation, baptism and the gifts. Many in the early church believed the Antichrist would come out the sphere of the church from the unregenerates, not unlike out of the Pentecostals or the lsm/lc cult that loverofanotherchrist is a member of. Does someone unsaved want to go to hell? If they are unsaved, they are going to hell. Do they want to go to hell? If Jesus says the tare is unsaved, is Jesus lying when he says they want to go to hell, since that is where they will go? You will need to prove it through Scripture that those who are going to hell do not want to go to hell. My brothers and sisters in Christ do all we can to help lead a person to Christ, but at the end of the day, if the person wants to go to hell, Christians can do nothing, even God can't. That is why God has created a hell for the unsaved, because they want to go there, just like loverofanotherchrist, since he is not born-again as evidenced by his inability to repent from sins of leeism in your cult (one of those sins he calls himself God). How sad for these cult members. I am not sure who loverofanotherchrist is, all I know is he has been stalking me for 2 years now since I first banned his IP address on my forum back in 2004. Wherever I go, he seems to follow as you can see he has tracked me down not only in this forum, but this particular thread out of nowhere also. I think there needs to be concern, because he might do something. All I really know about him is that he has revealed his IP address 216.222.103.246 which resolves to http://givenspurley.com which he says he works at this law firm. He said to call his work there: "(208) 388-1200, ask for Glenn". He didn't say if his name was Glenn, just to call his work and ask for Glenn. I had always thought his rationalizations were like that of an unethical bad lawyer. Totally stuck in his head, forsaking the spirit. | ||
| churchwork (churchwork) Advanced Member Username: churchwork Post Number: 641 Registered: 1-2005 Posted From: 142.59.133.44 |
If you would like to know more about this lsm/lc cult member, http://www3.telus.net/trbrooks/loverofanotherchrist.htm God forbid you should be deceived by this cult or this person of this cult. Make note, I am concerned that this person has been stalking me so closely now for almost 2 years, going where I go. | ||
| churchwork (churchwork) Advanced Member Username: churchwork Post Number: 655 Registered: 1-2005 Posted From: 142.59.133.44 |
Exactly! Plus, if you get 5 different interpreters, you get 5 different answers. You can do scientific studies to prove this. It reminds me of Southpark last night when they made mince meat of the "douche bag" John Edwards, a popular psychic. He received the intergalactic douche bag award, lol. | ||
| cybermom (cybermom) Intermediate Member Username: cybermom Post Number: 362 Registered: 12-2004 Posted From: 67.186.102.112 |
God makes it clear, many will profess every last word of the Bible, yet still not be saved, because there professing is fake. So God says, we shall know them by their fruit. churchwork You really ARE a piece of work. You spout all your sanctimonious drivel and drive everyone crazy typing your link almost every time you post, and pass judgment on a large portion of the Body of Christ; then you have the gall to talk about what happened on South Park and what they called John Edwards. I'd be careful about who and how you judge. Maybe if we all ignore you, you'll pick up your marbles (the ones you haven't lost yet) and go play somewhere else. Someone on another thread suggested you start your own forum; good advice - it's probably the only way you won't get banned. Mat 23:15 "How terrible for you, teachers of the Law and Pharisees! You hypocrites! You sail the seas and cross whole countries to win one convert; and when you succeed, you make him twice as deserving of going to hell as you yourselves are! Mat 23:25 "How terrible for you, teachers of the Law and Pharisees! You hypocrites! You clean the outside of your cup and plate, while the inside is full of what you have gotten by violence and selfishness. Pro 20:3 Any fool can start arguments; the honorable thing is to stay out of them. Pro 22:10 Get rid of a conceited person, and then there will be no more arguments, quarreling, or name-calling. | ||
| loverofchrist (loverofchrist) Intermediate Member Username: loverofchrist Post Number: 283 Registered: 5-2005 Posted From: 216.222.103.246 |
Don't worry, cybermom, he's already started his own forum. It's a plce where "spiritual Christians" like him can go to fellowship. Of course, he bans everyone eventually, so he's the only member. | ||
| cybermom (cybermom) Intermediate Member Username: cybermom Post Number: 364 Registered: 12-2004 Posted From: 67.186.102.112 |
loverofchrist I guess I'd better not go there, then, huh? Thanks for the warning! cw I modify my first suggestion. Why don't you stay on your own forum? Is that the link you keep posting? How self-serving. If we really wanted to (or could) have a rational discussion with you, we'll meet you there. Cybermom (Message edited by Cybermom on December 01, 2005) | ||
| churchwork (churchwork) Advanced Member Username: churchwork Post Number: 665 Registered: 1-2005 Posted From: 142.59.133.44 |
cybermon, You are too overassuming and too judgmental and way to vague in your judgmentalness, there really is nothing to respond to. Your liberal approach to overassume everyone is a Christian is too much! Southpark reveals something interesting things sometimes, like the trickeries of John Edward or the evil of Scientology. This is my forum http://biblocality.com/forums | ||
| churchwork (churchwork) Advanced Member Username: churchwork Post Number: 666 Registered: 1-2005 Posted From: 142.59.133.44 |
loverofanotherchrist has been stalking me for about 2 years now. It all began when I first banned him on my forum back in 2004, and since then he has been following me all over the internet. Crazy world! Since then I had closed that forum down. His IP matched as the same here at factnet.org which he uses from his workplace in Boise. He says his name is Glenn or to call Glenn at his workplace, though I don't know why. He doesn't say. It's kinda odd to say the least. loverofanotherchrist is in the lsm/lc cult. If you would like to understand the 6 major sins of leeism, http://www3.telus.net/trbrooks/lsmlccult.htm | ||
| churchwork (churchwork) Advanced Member Username: churchwork Post Number: 667 Registered: 1-2005 Posted From: 142.59.133.44 |
This thread is suppose to be about why Pentecostals, most of them, are not Christians. The simple reason of course, is that they alter the Word of God by claiming gibberish babble is Biblical tongues, which is not. When you read any mention of Biblical tongues in the Bible, you never see the gibberish babble that history shows was part of Montanism heresy in the 2nd century. http://www3.telus.net/trbrooks/montanism.htm Please don't spam this thread with mindless rhetoric or troll it, but keep on topic please. Thankyou. | ||
| loverofchrist (loverofchrist) Intermediate Member Username: loverofchrist Post Number: 285 Registered: 5-2005 Posted From: 216.222.103.246 |
Yeah, troy, keep it on topic. Which would obviously mean that you should REMOVE the posts you made which accuse me of stalking you - which is not remotely true, by the way. STAY ON TOPIC, TROLL TROY!!!! | ||
| churchwork (churchwork) Advanced Member Username: churchwork Post Number: 674 Registered: 1-2005 Posted From: 142.59.133.44 |
When you are stalking me, each time do I mention your stalking and the source of your stalking me loverofanotherchrist. The source being the demon of leeism and none other in your unregnerated spirit. How sad for you. loverofanotherchrist, I am about to do something for you. Watch. Very soon you will see. It is a gift for you to lead you to Christ. I give of myself to you so that you may be born-again when you see the sacrifice I have made for you. I pray this leads you to Jesus Christ and causes you to leave your lsm/lc cult. | ||
| churchwork (churchwork) Advanced Member Username: churchwork Post Number: 675 Registered: 1-2005 Posted From: 142.59.133.44 |
Understand, Pentecostalism is part of the first wave movement before the Antichrist. | ||
| churchwork (churchwork) Advanced Member Username: churchwork Post Number: 676 Registered: 1-2005 Posted From: 142.59.133.44 |
The second wave movement was the Charismatic movement 50 years ago. Today we are in the the Third wave movement of the Laodicean period, the last and final wave before the return of Christ, which will likely bring Christ's return this century. This Third Wave Movement is marked by mass delusion in false tongues of gibberish babble. Mathematically Christ will return this century based on the savings ratio not getting absurd, if these numbers are correct (ballparking), http://www3.telus.net/trbrooks/savingsratio.htm Please read this carefully to understand how this delusion will increase in the Pentecostalism marriage to the RCC Charismatics, http://www3.telus.net/trbrooks/ThirdWave.htm I am not sure how this will play out exactly, only that it has to do with mass delusion, and nothing in the outward appearance of the kingdom of heaven has greater moving mass delusion potential than gibberish babble of Pentecostalism. Today it is estimated there are somewhere between 500 million to 1 billion tares unsaved as gibberish babblers. This also includes those like loverofanotherchrist engaged in their violent screaming and repetitive mantra of their lsm/lc cult. Though this is not strictly speaking gibberish babble of Pentecostals it is an offshoot of it where they repeat 3 or 4 words in violent manner over and over and they call that reading. It is not of course, nor is it prayer. Originally this cult did the Pentecostal gibberish babble but they didn't feel it did it for them, so they pursued the violent screaming mantra. This is an excellent example of how the gibberish can morph itself into further delusions, as well as aggression, violence and suing Christians for their faith as the lsm/lc cult is famous for. I am giving a gift to loverofanotherchrist. He will understand what it is when he receives it, and it is for the purpose to lead him to the cross to receive Jesus Christ as his Lord and Savior. May this be a wondeful testimony when it happens, and thus he shall leave the lsm/lc cult. May it also lead others here to Christ as well to see how a Christian keeps their word. Their loving word is solid. Amen. | ||
| godchild (godchild) Senior Member Username: godchild Post Number: 1105 Registered: 1-2005 Posted From: 4.255.44.178 |
church, aren't you finished yet? I think you're the other fly Noah should have left off the boat! | ||
| easeltine (easeltine) Advanced Member Username: easeltine Post Number: 959 Registered: 5-2005 Posted From: 64.136.27.225 |
Troy, "God makes it clear, many will profess every last word of the Bible, yet still not be saved, because there professing is fake. So God says, we shall know them by their fruit. False tongues is a false fruit not of God." True, narrow is the way to life and few find it. It may be a bit picky, but you should say that false tongues is a false "gift" not of God. Your conclusion that all Pentecostals speak in false tongues is incorrect. If a Pentecostal is worshiping and proclaiming Jesus as Lord and God and then prays in tongues I am unable to agree with your conclusions. If a Pentecostal is speaking in false tongues they need deliverance from the demon that is producing the false tongues, that is true. Are you able to pray for a person to be delivered from demons? Do you have any experience praying for people to be freed from demons? What if a person came to you and asked you to pray for them to be freed from the spirit of lust? Is a non-Christian likely to do that, or a person who wants Christ? Just think about that, I do not really want an answer to the questions. "Also, the KJV is notorious for adding in stuff, like the Trinity." Troy, the word Trinity is not found in the KJV or any Translation. What may have been added is the words, "The Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit" found in 1 John 5:7. Though this is unclear, and the Textus Receptus of Erasmus used by the KJV and pre-modern version Translators may be better than we think. I have already said that I like the NASB, (related to the English RV and ASV), and the NKJV the best and why. Please consider what I have said regarding the RSV, it really is not a good Translation, it is one of the worst, (the NRSV is better). Maybe you should look at the book, "They Speak With Other Tongues", by John L. Sherrill, or "The Beauty of Spiritual Language", by Jack Hayford before reaching such a judgmental conclusion that almost all Pentecostals are going to hell. Your conclusions are not what I have reached when I have visited Pentecostal Churches, especially Foursquare. In the early 90's Dr. Dobson, a Baptist, was laying in a hospital suffering from a major heart attack. Dr. Dobson says that he was in the worst depression of his life. He looked up and Pastor Jack Hayford, a Foursquare Pentecostal minister, (and recently head of the denomination), walked in the room and said, "James, the Lord Jesus Christ told me to come and cheer you up." Biblical Pentecostalism is not a cult. Troy, you need to re-evaluate your positions. Look at the Pentecostal websites regarding salvation, your conclusions are wrong. | ||
| turtle (turtle) Intermediate Member Username: turtle Post Number: 471 Registered: 9-2005 Posted From: 151.199.115.125 |
Hey easeltine, Hope your family had a wonderful Thanksgiving and hope you have a Merry Christmas. | ||
| easeltine (easeltine) Advanced Member Username: easeltine Post Number: 960 Registered: 5-2005 Posted From: 64.136.27.225 |
Thank you Turtle, I hope you had a nice Thanksgiving and have a Merry Christmas as well. We had a nice Thanksgiving. I visited my parents during Thanksgiving. My dad is struggling with the myloema cancer, but he is not in too much pain. I was with him during 3 sessions of dialysis. The good news is that he has been able to get prepared for death, especially important is that he is getting spiritually prepared. In the midst of all his struggles with these health problems God is helping him. Erich | ||
| godchild (godchild) Senior Member Username: godchild Post Number: 1106 Registered: 1-2005 Posted From: 4.255.44.245 |
Erich, I am so sorry to hear about your Dad. I can't imagine how people find solace without the Lord to turn to. I am leaning on Him today because of emotional churning. My friend has been given a few months because of cancer, and last night I finally got the good news that my daughter's ovarian cysts are benign. It is because He lives that I can face whatever today will bring. | ||
| turtle (turtle) Intermediate Member Username: turtle Post Number: 472 Registered: 9-2005 Posted From: 151.199.94.181 |
Erich, Well be praying. Yes my husband and I had a good thanksgiving wpent it with my husband's people. | ||
| arron (arron) Advanced Member Username: arron Post Number: 804 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 66.169.8.34 |
we all had a good thanksgiving and are looking forward to have a great CHRISTmas. merry CHRISTmas to all here. i am still pentecostal still saved, sanctified, still filled witht he HOLY GHOST witht tongues still shouting and dancing when THE LORD gets ahold i pray alll her will, if you are not already get saved for that is the main thing. we all must do is be gorn again | ||
| arron (arron) Advanced Member Username: arron Post Number: 805 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 66.169.8.34 |
let me edit if i may the last post i made..i meant.. i pray all who will, if you are not already save will get saved ... somtimes i get mixed up typing (as you probally know already ) and have to redo my words. | ||
| arron (arron) Senior Member Username: arron Post Number: 1055 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 68.119.32.209 |
truly not all pentecostals are real christian even as the baptist, methodist ect. are not all christian. we can say christian because we hold to the christian faith and still not be born again | ||
| bear (bear) Intermediate Member Username: bear Post Number: 331 Registered: 4-2005 Posted From: 24.247.112.45 |
2nd cent montanism? Interestingly, the biblical toungues was in existence long before this movement. There is not one shed of evidence that toungues were ever used to spread the gospel. That is an untruth promoted by many ignorant pastor's. Yes toungues means "languages". I have heard some people speak in babble, and I woundered if they understood what they were doing. There are many practices within Pent/Char church's that are not biblical. However, the bible makes it CLEAR that toungues spoken in prayer are not understood by man. One needs to study 1 Cor. 14. Paul describes the differnce between toungues in personal prayer, and the gift of toungues in a public meeting. The very disorganized and unbiblical practices that we find today, were present in Corinth. That is why Paul writes these letters, to correct. Churchwork, you appear to be a person of research. Do the research, and you find the above to be fact. (Message edited by bear on January 11, 2006) | ||
| arron (arron) Senior Member Username: arron Post Number: 1061 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 68.119.32.209 |
amen tongues are for today. THE HOLY GHOST IS GIVEN for use to day. | ||
| seamaiden Junior Member Username: seamaiden Post Number: 33 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 128.172.143.184 |
i wonder if you stood in a room, in front of every person who could speak a language from around the world, and you started speaking in tongues...would they understand you? | ||
| arron Senior Member Username: arron Post Number: 2925 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 24.241.6.69 |
neither would i understand them, the tongues we believe in are a supernatural manisfetation of THE HOLY GHOST working in some one. would you understand them i doubt if i could understand you if you were speaking in te great knowledgeable way you believe you speak in... seamadien | ||
| pianoman New member Username: pianoman Post Number: 2 Registered: 11-2006 Posted From: 222.152.243.45 |
Why do so many "born agains" judge so harshly against speaking in tongues? I've heard standard christian hymns sung in asian tongues and I have not understood a single word except the language of MUSIC and it's spiritual and UNIVERSAL language. I would hope that oneday we can TRUST GOD ALMIGHTY to be the judge and we live by Jesus's NEW COMMANDMENT: LOVE ONE ANOTHER. God is in everything and created everthing in the universe? Did God create Satan? If Satan is so bad can't he ask for forgiveness? Maybe we should all pray for Satan, but of course without Satan the good people that God loves may not know in their hearts how good they are and that they are going to heaven? God understands what is loving and full of Grace within your heart not the words you use or the language you speak in. I realized years ago GOD nor did JESUS CHRIST write one word in the holy bible! MEN DID. MEN MAKE MISTAKES AND HAVE EGOS. Men have decided time and time again what GOD SHOULD BE SAYING AND DOING! If the Pentecostals are full of Satan, then STAY AWAY FROM THEM! I do not go where I am unhappy or made to feel fear. Sometimes I wish God and Satan could settle all this out of court without so much bloodshed, anger and fear. Blessings. | ||
| xgracex104 New member Username: xgracex104 Post Number: 1 Registered: 12-2006 Posted From: 67.184.147.197 |
Acts 2:4~And they were all filled with the Holy Spirit and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance. *it says they spoke with other tongues. This implies that it is something new that they don't know. Mark 16:17~And these signs will follow those who believe: In My name they will cast out demons; they will speak with new tongues; *Again, will speak with new tongues. I don't see how this in any way implies a tongue/language that is already known. Anyone have any ideas? | ||
| arron Senior Member Username: arron Post Number: 2961 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 24.241.6.69 |
JESUS IS REAL AND HE SENT THE HOLY GHOST TO BAPTISE US AND GIVE US THE EVIDENCE OF TONGUES . forgive me for printing in bold (capitol) letters i am not shouting but just to get the point across | ||
| godgirl New member Username: godgirl Post Number: 11 Registered: 12-2006 Posted From: 203.51.60.57 |
Churchwork - you are SO deluded! What cult do you belong to? The Lord rebuke you Satan! I am Pentecostal. I pray in tongues. I am heaven-bound. My faith preaches salvation by being born again. |
