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     churchwork (churchwork) Intermediate Member Username: churchwork Post Number: 494 Registered: 1-2005 Posted From: 142.59.133.44 |
A way to avoid a cult is to get at the center of their heresy. For mormons, that center is their belief in depersonalizing God into being gods. This is why when you speak to a mormon they are so cold-hearted and dull to speak to. They are holding within themselves a great lie and it is tearing them apart. This great lie is polytheism. They also have the problem of subordinationism, which is also another heresy taught by mormonism (see the chart). God's 3 Persons are co-equal and the Godhead is monoetheist. http://www3.telus.net/trbrooks/mormonism.htm | ||
| godchild (godchild) Senior Member Username: godchild Post Number: 1019 Registered: 1-2005 Posted From: 4.255.41.144 |
They also cannot say who their first God was. | ||
| arron (arron) Advanced Member Username: arron Post Number: 550 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 66.169.8.34 |
my first and only GOD is JESUS..SON OF THE FATHER AND WHO GIVE THE HOLY GHOST. any one who doesnt beleive in GOD and not gods is cultic, i think | ||
| churchwork (churchwork) Intermediate Member Username: churchwork Post Number: 495 Registered: 1-2005 Posted From: 142.59.133.44 |
godchild, Yes, we agree. When you have puff the magic dragon 3 gods whom mormons call God, there is no explanation how these gods of God came about. It is like starting in chapter 2 of a book, shutting down their minds to chapter 1, which has key and vital information in it. But God of the Bible being monotheist, who needs no explanation for how He came to be because He always was from eternity past to eternity future. God by definition is uncreated. This is allowable if God is singularly Triune (the Trinity), but it is not doable for the mormon god since they say their God is multiple gods. How did these multiply gods of polytheism come to be? Blank. | ||
| churchwork (churchwork) Intermediate Member Username: churchwork Post Number: 496 Registered: 1-2005 Posted From: 142.59.133.44 |
aaron, Your sin is in saying anyone who does not believe God being gods is cultic. I hope you just made a grammar mistake and this is not what you really believe. | ||
| godchild (godchild) Senior Member Username: godchild Post Number: 1021 Registered: 1-2005 Posted From: 4.255.42.132 |
churchwork, so true. God said "I am the beginning (Alpha, first) and the end (Omega, last)." That settles that. | ||
| joesdad (joesdad) Advanced Member Username: joesdad Post Number: 568 Registered: 2-2005 Posted From: 62.253.215.25 |
I agree God is not gods | ||
| churchwork (churchwork) Intermediate Member Username: churchwork Post Number: 497 Registered: 1-2005 Posted From: 142.59.133.44 |
There you have it. Where 2 or 3 are gathered together in the truth, so shall it be in heaven. Amen. http://biblocality.com/forums | ||
| arron (arron) Advanced Member Username: arron Post Number: 559 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 66.169.8.34 |
churchwork ..my sin is beleivinig in GOD (THE TRINITY ) and not in gods???? what ever are you talking about. i beleive in ONE GOD , THE FATHER THE SON AND THE HOLY GHOST. not many gods | ||
| churchwork (churchwork) Intermediate Member Username: churchwork Post Number: 499 Registered: 1-2005 Posted From: 142.59.133.44 |
arron, Where did you misread that it is a sin to believe in the Triune God, that is, the Trinity of God's 3 Persons? Be careful you do not sin bearing false witness. | ||
| franklin (franklin) Senior Member Username: franklin Post Number: 1182 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 71.49.13.0 |
Mormon heresy: God was once a man. Man can become a god. | ||
| arron (arron) Advanced Member Username: arron Post Number: 570 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 66.169.8.34 |
i didnt read it and i didnt sat i read my post on the 23rd i said if they didnt beleive in GOD (captial .. GOD ) and not gods, little g...signyfiying idols or other gods and not GOD. | ||
| arron (arron) Advanced Member Username: arron Post Number: 571 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 66.169.8.34 |
oh and before some one says anything i meant say and not sat | ||
| franklin (franklin) Senior Member Username: franklin Post Number: 1183 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 71.49.13.0 |
I understood what you meant. | ||
| joesdad (joesdad) Advanced Member Username: joesdad Post Number: 569 Registered: 2-2005 Posted From: 62.253.215.25 |
Children, children - if you few can't agree without being so bitter (when it is clear you do actually agree) I can't imaging the discussions that took place when the creeds you follow were set up - wow! | ||
| churchwork (churchwork) Advanced Member Username: churchwork Post Number: 503 Registered: 1-2005 Posted From: 142.59.133.44 |
aaron, In response to when I said, "God is not gods" (the title of the thread), you wrote, initially (on the 23rd), "any one who doesnt beleive in GOD and not gods is cultic, i think". One who doesn't believe in God being not gods is cultic, you said, you think. This is wrong to say this after what I just said, God is not gods. That's how people will read what you said in our both using the same expression. Later you said, "on the 23rd i said if they didnt beleive in GOD (captial .. GOD ) and not gods, little g...signyfiying idols or other gods and not GOD". Do you see the confusion? Initially I used a phrase, God being "not gods" and then you used the same phrase, yet you used it differently. This can cause confusion. Satan is the author of confusion. Be more careful with your words to glorify God and let die on the cross, if you are born again, the false tongues teaching of babble gibberish, that you say you believe in elsewhere. As a manifestation of your false tongues gibberish, you will naturally be careless with language because you have self-exalted yourself by altering the Bible on Biblical tongues, which are languages and languages others do not understand, because they do not speak those languages. | ||
| churchwork (churchwork) Advanced Member Username: churchwork Post Number: 504 Registered: 1-2005 Posted From: 142.59.133.44 |
joesdad, This is beyond your understanding. | ||
| joesdad (joesdad) Advanced Member Username: joesdad Post Number: 571 Registered: 2-2005 Posted From: 62.253.215.25 |
Churchwork: Really, and why is that? (please do not show your ignorance by pretending I have been brainwashed or make any other immature claim about my personal ability to logically consider your response) - having read the above, you have misread Aarons statment, and then ignored his confirmation it was a grammatical error - it is clear he means the same as you do, but you arrogantly continue to give him an unnecessary discource, you have a problem my friend. | ||
| churchwork (churchwork) Advanced Member Username: churchwork Post Number: 559 Registered: 1-2005 Posted From: 142.59.133.44 |
joesdad, God has not given it to you to understand that God is not gods. http://biblocality.com/forums | ||
| arron (arron) Advanced Member Username: arron Post Number: 634 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 66.169.8.34 |
i be;eive that GOD IS ON GOD IN TRINITY. THE FATHER THE SON THE HOLY GHOST. | ||
| steelsword (steelsword) Junior Member Username: steelsword Post Number: 47 Registered: 9-2005 Posted From: 207.192.2.34 |
"The Local Church" Watch out for wolves in sheeps clothing. http://www.apologeticsindex.org/l40.html | ||
| steelsword (steelsword) Junior Member Username: steelsword Post Number: 48 Registered: 9-2005 Posted From: 207.192.2.34 |
Joe that last post was some good reading for you. it would be a good debate between watchman lee and Joseph smith to see who was a the real prophet. In christ alone, not a church , joseph, Lee or nee. steel Jude 3 | ||
| joesdad (joesdad) Advanced Member Username: joesdad Post Number: 573 Registered: 2-2005 Posted From: 62.253.215.25 |
Steel: No competition so far as I can see  Churchwork: And you think God gave you the ability to know me? - wrong again buddy. What I can see, is that you respresent that small group of thoughtless individuals that are so set on "correcting" others whilst condemning them, you forget to pay attention to what they are actually saying. | ||
| dean (dean) Junior Member Username: dean Post Number: 34 Registered: 10-2005 Posted From: 63.201.99.202 |
Joesdad: Hows if feel to constantly defend you cult everywhere you go, ???? And always saying that they are wrong??? Most people of true Christian faith, on this message board are just try to witness to you but you choose not to lift the dark Vail upon you, or at least step out of the box: “meaning your Mormon info: and doctrine” Something happen in the past with you buddy , or your just flat out Brainwashed., The cult has had a thorn in there side sense it began, doesn’t that make you want to maybe call the churches bluff, at least try a prove that it is the true church against the holy bible………then you'll see what happens. You keep saying the same ••••…………You write so proper, but you don’t say •••• You obviously don’t realize this…………..you should go back and look at your post Maybe the light will turn on…………I wish you would say something with some foundation………..its just pathetic to see what your going through. Can you get into any conversations about anything that has to do with the bible ?? Or at least come up with some intelligent answers regarding the BOM?? Instead of saying •••• like: grammatical error, misread Aarons statement, I like this one: We are all equal in the sight of God…in what way are we equal in his sight?????????…….Your hurten flipper !!! What funny is that you use •••• like, PLease excuse my ignorance, I'd say, if you don't understand what "divine nature", "union with jesus", "participate in the Trinity" "independant gods", "divinity (in context of "any divinty we have"), "partaking in the divine nature come on man.....You are Definitely intertaining | ||
| joesdad (joesdad) Advanced Member Username: joesdad Post Number: 578 Registered: 2-2005 Posted From: 62.253.215.25 |
Dean; Gone back to the same ole' routine again. Is your existence purely to antagonise people into a response as crude and illiterate as your attacks? Is that how you understnd Christ did it? Is that what your preacher tells you is OK? | ||
| planetkram (planetkram) New member Username: planetkram Post Number: 9 Registered: 1-2006 Posted From: 68.205.46.16 |
I'm Mormon and I dont want to be a God - I just want to follow christ and try to be a better person than I was the day before and do good to others. If in the end I stand before christ and rewarded my eternal glory an abandoned shoe store, then so be it - - if Im given exhaltation and glory beyond all description....I'll take that too. All you people worried abotu what you're getting are missing the point. - Like my boy, Penn state football Coach, Joe Paterno says, "do all the small things right and the big stuff will take care of themselves." All you Mormon-haters really need to re-focus your attentions on groups that need criticizing; like........ terrorists, racists, people who flip you off in traffic, mean people, hate groups, criminals who rob you, child molesters, drunkards who crash and kill innocent people, the IRS, drug dealers, RAP stars whos lyrics say its "ok" to slap biotches and score with hoes, animal abusers.... I think we can all agree that even though you may not agree with the doctrine of the LDS church, that Mormons are still the good guys - Mormons are good people. | ||
| planetkram (planetkram) New member Username: planetkram Post Number: 10 Registered: 1-2006 Posted From: 68.205.46.16 |
ok - -have to add this.. Mormons have one God. - not many. However, the God Mormons worship is often known as the Godhead, made up of 3 - father- son & Holy Ghost, all separate and yet all working as one. The reason why teh Godhead might make your head spin is because sometimes the statement, "father, son & holy ghost" tends to suggest that the Father is the Main God and he sent his son who also happens to be a God and hes pretty good too, and then theres that Holy Ghost who never gets any credit. The God of the Old Testament is JESUS CHRIST, Jehova who hadnt been born physically in the flesh yet by Mary. But he is the same Great I AM. - God of Abraham, God of Moses - the Creator. - - Infact Jesus can also be known as The Father, though he is obvioulsy not the literal father of himself - Duh. But he is the father of our souls by his sacrifice for us that he paid on the cross and in the garden. Christ is our Redeemer. But to keep it simple, we pray to Our heavenly father - through and in the name of Jesus christ who are not the same personage. We do that because Christ is the mediator that allows us to commune with our father in heaven. perhaps its a respect thing. so, quite simply, JESUS CHRIS is our only GOD. he is our judge, our creator, our redeemer, our mediator. - but even in diety there is order and he works with and along side his father and the holy ghost. | ||
| steelsword (steelsword) Member Username: steelsword Post Number: 68 Registered: 9-2005 Posted From: 207.192.2.34 |
Joesdad do you Agree with planetkram on this last post?. He seems to be Quite confused on what his church teaches sometimes. | ||
| arron (arron) Senior Member Username: arron Post Number: 1056 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 68.119.32.209 |
there is ond GOD WHO IS IN THREE PERSONS, THE FATHER AND THE SON AND THE HOLY GHOST. | ||
| joesdad (joesdad) Advanced Member Username: joesdad Post Number: 584 Registered: 2-2005 Posted From: 62.253.215.25 |
Steel: Yes, I say I do | ||
| godchild (godchild) Senior Member Username: godchild Post Number: 1299 Registered: 1-2005 Posted From: 68.68.4.155 |
planetkram, You say you worship one God, Jesus Christ. This is not true. Your own words show steel is right about your confusion. You say you believe in a godhead, which is three personages. Mormons teach that God the Father was a man that became a god, (that He is still a man of flesh and bones) and that Jesus also was a man who became a god, (and that He is still a man of flesh and bones.) If, as you say, you don't care if you become a god, then why have temples, the purpose of temples being to prepare you for exaltation, which in mormonism means becoming gods and goddesses. Quite simply, you must believe the Ten Commandments are given by God, and one says Thou shalt NOT have any other gods before me. This commandment is very clear to Christians. We cannot bring ourselves before God claiming we are or will be a god. There is not one God, Jesus; there is one God; The Father, the Son, Jesus Christ, and the Holy Spirit. By saying you only worship the Son, you deny the Father and the Holy Spirit. Isn't it true that mormons believe there is a Holy Spirit, a Holy Ghost, and the Spirit of Christ? So if you worship Jesus only, why don't you say the Spirit of Christ guides me? Don't you see the problem here? If Jesus is the only God you worship, why do you pray to the Heavenly Father? | ||
| zxcvbnm (zxcvbnm) New member Username: zxcvbnm Post Number: 21 Registered: 1-2006 Posted From: 131.191.75.130 |
god is as really as the easter bunny. | ||
| nulla (nulla) Intermediate Member Username: nulla Post Number: 271 Registered: 3-2005 Posted From: 202.173.180.87 |
How do you know this.? I would like you to tell me more about you knowing that God does not exist.? |
