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     nulla (nulla) Intermediate Member Username: nulla Post Number: 225 Registered: 3-2005 Posted From: 202.173.180.87 |
I have been researching a few good sites lately as the early origin of the BoM has many unfinished or unsolved questions. This site is a real gem if you have the time for some interesting reading. http://www.lavazone2.com/dbroadhu/artindex.htm I have been in touch a few times with the site owner Dale. On this page.. http://www.lavazone2.com/dbroadhu/CA/natruths.htm#010088-3b2 I found this on JS in a signed statement made by. J. F. GOLDSMITH'S . “John A. Eddy learned the carpenter trade with my father, and married my sister. He told me that Jo Smith announced in a Mormon meeting; at such a time he would walk on the water. Grandison Newell and your father paid me one dollar a night to watch and see what the Mormons did. The night before the walking was to be, Jo Smith, Rigdon, Brigham Young, and William Aldrich worked half the night and drove forked stakes in the river in the form of a horseshoe, the ends being on one bank and in deep water. They placed green sycamore slabs which would sink in the water on the crotched stakes which were eight or more inches under water, altogether between two and three hundred feet long. After they left, I removed one of the slabs near the center. According to appointment, prophet Jo Smith came with several hundred Mormons and Jo addressed them. He said they could walk on the water if they only had faith. Jo arrayed in a long white robe, walked some distance, turned and walked backward, and where the slab had been removed, went in all over. He got to shore by the aid of the limb of a tree.” And the same event from another signed statement by J. Miller. “He was out of water except his feet and was successful for a time. He walked slowly and finally went down. The Gentiles shouted loudly, laughed and jeered in many ways. The Mormons said Jo's faith had failed. I soon after learned planks had been fixed in the water for him to walk on and one had been removed” And this from the same page from different witness’s accounts. “I have often heard my wife and her parents tell about Joseph, the prophet, attempting to restore to consciousness their child which they claimed had been drugged.” “The Mormons announced that on a certain day, at the house of my husband's uncle, Isaac Morley, they would raise the dead. Joseph, the prophet, made protracted efforts to restore to consciousness a child to whom they had administered a soporific, but the scheme failed because they had given an overdose, and the child died.” Of course momons will say this is anti mormon rubbish Nulla | ||
| nulla (nulla) Intermediate Member Username: nulla Post Number: 226 Registered: 3-2005 Posted From: 202.173.180.87 |
From: http://www.mormonstudies.com/witness.htm an account from one witness of many from this site. "Springfield, Pa. September, 1833. In the year 1811, I was in the employ of Henry Lake and Solomon Spalding, at Conneaut, engaged in rebuilding [283] a forge. While there, I boarded and lodged in the family of said Spalding, for several months. I was soon introduced to the manuscript of Spalding, and perused them as often as I had leisure. He had written two or three books or pamphlets on different subjects; but that which more particularly drew my attention, was one which he called the “Manuscript Found.” From this he would frequently read some humorous passages to the company present. It purported to be the history of the first settlement of America, before discovered by Columbus. He brought them off from Jerusalem, under their leaders; detailing their travels by land and water, their manners, customs, laws, wars, &c. He said that he designed it as a historical novel, and that in after years it would be believed by many people as much as the history of England. He soon after failed in business, and told me he should retire from the din of his creditors, finish his book and have it published, which would enable him to pay his debts and support his family. He soon after removed to Pittsburgh, as I understood. I have recently examined the Book of Mormon, and find in it the writings of Solomon Spalding, from beginning to end, but mixed up with scripture and other religious matter, which I did not meet with in the “Manuscript Found.” Many of the passages in the Mormon Book are verbatim from Spalding, and others in part. The names of Nephi, Lehi, Moroni, and in fact all the principal names, are bro’t fresh to my recollection, by the Gold Bible. When Spalding divested his history of its fabulous names, by a verbal explanation, he landed his people near the Straits of Darien, which I am very confident he called Zarahemla, they were marched about that country for a length of time, in which wars and great blood shed ensued, he brought them across North America in a north east direction. JOHN N. MILLER" | ||
| nulla (nulla) Intermediate Member Username: nulla Post Number: 228 Registered: 3-2005 Posted From: 202.0.155.232 |
David Whitmer, Richmond, Missouri 1887 "Brother Hyrum said it had been suggested to him that some of the brethren might go to Toronto, Canada, and sell the copyright of the Book of Mormon for considerable money: and he persuaded Joseph to inquire of the Lord about it. Joseph concluded to do so. He had not yet given up the stone. Joseph looked into the hat in which he placed the stone, and received a revelation that some of the brethren should go to Toronto, Canada, and that they would sell the copyright of the Book of Mormon. Hiram Page and Oliver Cowdery went to Toronto on this mission, but they failed entirely to sell the copyright, returning without any money. Joseph was at my father's house when they returned. I was there also, and am an eye witness to these facts. Jacob Whitmer and John Whitmer were also present when Hiram Page and Oliver Cowdery returned from Canada. Well, we were all in great trouble; and we asked Joseph how it was that he had received a revelation from the Lord for some brethren to go to Toronto and sell the copyright, and the brethren had utterly failed in their undertaking. Joseph did not know how it was, so he enquired of the Lord about it, and behold the following revelation came through the stone: "Some revelations are of God: some revelations are of men: and some revelations are of the devil." So we see that the revelation to go to Toronto and sell the copyright was not of God" So according to Whitmer from what he witnessed, it was not only God who was talking through the seer stone. | ||
| steelsword (steelsword) Junior Member Username: steelsword Post Number: 40 Registered: 9-2005 Posted From: 207.192.2.34 |
nulla, maybe it was because the the title page had Joseph as the author and not "GOD" & GOD got a little upset at this. You see God didn't like the fact that Joseph was passing off his "inspired fiction" as the word of God,so he had to send those boys home, so Joe could let them know that some revelations come from men & some from the Devil himself. | ||
| nulla (nulla) Intermediate Member Username: nulla Post Number: 231 Registered: 3-2005 Posted From: 202.173.180.87 |
Words from a friend of a late Judge who was a lawyer for JS and his followers Dear Sir: I was for many years in his lifetime well and intimately acquainted with the late Judge Benjamin Bissel. He was with singular unanimity esteemed and regarded by the bar of his circuit as an able, impartial and upright judge. Before Bissel was elected judge he was the regular retained advisor and lawyer of Jo Smith and his followers in this section of the State, their headquarters then being at Kirtland, where the Mormon Temple now stands. Have often heard Judge Bissel canvas the merits -- or rather the demerits -- of Jo Smith as a man and the pretended founder of a new religion. He, Bissel, told me that he had at different times, as a lawyer, defended Jo Smith and his accomplices, charged and indicted for various crimes and felonies, and had saved them by reason of a defective and loosely drawn indictment, and that when he rendered his bill for these services Jo Smith and those indicted with him objected on the ground that the charges were excessive. When Judge Bissel reminded him that it was an ungracious thing for him to do, as he had so many times saved him and his associates from the penitentiary, and had stopped all legal inquiry into the merits of the offenses charged on technical grounds merely, his bill was paid. Judge Bissel also stated to me that had these men been tried for their crimes upon indictments well drawn nothing could have prevented conviction and consequent punishment. Have heard Judge Bissel relate to others, and often he has related to me, that the Mormons at Kirtland had conceived a murderous grudge against a prominent citizen then living here, who, as they supposed, had been instrumental in setting on foot criminal prosecutions against them, and therefore inspired, Jo had, as he said, a direct revelation from God to the effect that his deluded followers must, as soon as possible, put this citizen, this hated Gentile, to death. They lay in wait for him with loaded rifles but his life was saved by a sheer mistake of theirs as to his identity. This last fact has also been stated to me by him whom they thus sought to kill and who died but a few years ago. The truth of it is substantially confessed and has never to my knowledge been seriously questioned in this vicinity where the occurence took place. Some forty years ago I was acquainted with many of the professed disciples of Jo Smith and members of the Mormon Church in this section. As a rule they were a pitiful set of vulgar fanatics of the dullest, ugliest and densest ignorance, while others were the [chaff] of felony and vagabondage, and their religion, in the judgement of candid and intelligent men, a depraved, wicked and outrageous superstition. Jo Smith, the pretended founder of their religion, was a low, filthy, cogging knave, a transparent impostor and sham, very ignorant, and yet, withal gifted, or rather cursed, with a modicum of low cunning. How any rational creature could be deceived into the belief that he was divinely inspired and a prophet will, to the people here who saw and witnessed his many crimes, ever remain an unsolved wonder in this wonderfully credulous age. [Signed] A. L. TINKER. Painesville, Ohio, Dec. 5, 1884. | ||
| joesdad (joesdad) Advanced Member Username: joesdad Post Number: 559 Registered: 2-2005 Posted From: 62.253.215.25 |
Nulla: You suprise me once again, in the real world, would you trust the words of a person who you know nothing of, even if he really existed, stating that he is presenting the words of another person possibly 30 years after those words were uttered, if at all, and having absolutely no idea what the background was to the claim in the first place? Do you have evidence of Mr Tinkers relationship to the said Judge? Do you have independant evidence that the Judge held such a view? Do you know why he left it so long to make this statement, and what the purpose was of making the statement - for who's benefit was it made? Honestly, you give the impression that were I or anyone else to create a document painting a negative picture of Joseph Smith, threw in a few names you could associate with him, however tenuously and include a context of place and time that would fit in - then stick it on the internet calling the site something you may view as Christian with loads of links to other anti-LDS pages you would jump and skip around as though you had found the leprechauns gold at the end of the rainbow - as would many others, and within a week or so my forged document would be inherited into the hall of fame as a genuine document showing JS to be a thief liar and all round bad egg, and find itself the subject of numerous links itself. This is surely a joke? | ||
| godchild (godchild) Advanced Member Username: godchild Post Number: 995 Registered: 1-2005 Posted From: 4.255.46.76 |
joesdad, You should ask yourself the same question you asked Nulla. The mormon church admits it was fooled with fake documents and paid big money ($300,000) to Mark Hoffman for them. Do you think other forged documents couldn't have been accepted by the mormon church? For whose benefit has the mormon church accepted such documents? Joseph Smith himself was proven to be falsifying papyrus of a Egyptian burial and saying it was 'The Book of Abraham.' This is surely a joke!!!! | ||
| godchild (godchild) Advanced Member Username: godchild Post Number: 996 Registered: 1-2005 Posted From: 4.255.46.76 |
The mormon church would have accepted Hoffman's documents as original if Hoffman hadn't gotten greedier and wound up killing people. They would be sitting right alongside other false documents, wouldn't they. | ||
| arron (arron) Advanced Member Username: arron Post Number: 530 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 68.119.39.9 |
a joke of a false prophet how true... he was no prophet, not even a holy man as he lied all the time and died a jail death trying to get away and was an adulterer | ||
| nulla (nulla) Intermediate Member Username: nulla Post Number: 233 Registered: 3-2005 Posted From: 202.173.180.87 |
Joesdad, you along with others are more than welcome to post articles saying the opposite. I can find many articles as old that are on mormon sites(Try.. http://www.mormonstudies.com/history2.htm) that also talk about things occurring 30-40 yrs ago, are we to take them as fables as well. Or is it a case of being selective and accepting anything written in the favour of JS but instant doubt and denial when not in favour of mormonism So many questions are left unanswered in mormon history. Mormons take in without doubt or question the words of JS, written statements from Cowdery and Rigdon as to what they allege to have witnessed. So along come outsiders with good character who sign and have witnessed statements and they then become antimormons because they talk about those who had an influence in the early days of the church. Joesdad why not read all the articles on this site and see if you can make a connection of conspiracy against the LDS. My statement at bottom of the first post in this thread. “Of course Mormons will say this is anti mormon rubbish” so your last comment Robert is not surprising Joesdad "Do you have evidence of Mr Tinkers relationship to the said Judge? Do you have independant evidence that the Judge held such a view? Do you know why he left it so long to make this statement, and what the purpose was of making the statement - for who's benefit was it made? " Why not check and research yourself the connections and reasons. Or better still ask Dale Broadhurst who is a mormon why he has these articles posted on his site. Welcome! to the Dale R. Broadhurst Sites Dedicated to The Latter Day Saints http://www.lavazone2.com/dbroadhu/ The following is part of an intro from Deming. http://www.lavazone2.com/dbroadhu/CA/natruths.htm#010088-1a “PRESIDENT WILFORD WOODRUFF, Historian of the Mormon Church, Salt Lake City, Utah -- Dear Sir: Remembering the cordial reception you extended me when I called at the Historical Rooms in October, 1882, and the high compliment you bestowed upon my father, together with information obtained from Mrs. Woodruff while again visiting your Historical Rooms in April, 1886, lead me to address to yourself these lines. While visiting a former clerk of mine who had purchased a farm in Kirtland, Ohio, I learned that a debate was to be held in Kirtland, on the subject of Mormonism. I was urged to and did reluctantly become one of the Moderators. The parties whose statements I intend to publish are, I believe, of unimpeachable character, and Mormons will be compelled to accept their testimony. I presume your Historical Society have not paid enough attention to their origin and early history. ARTHUR B. DEMING.” Nulla | ||
| nulla (nulla) Intermediate Member Username: nulla Post Number: 234 Registered: 3-2005 Posted From: 202.173.180.87 |
Joesdad "Honestly, you give the impression that were I or anyone else to create a document painting a negative picture of Joseph Smith, threw in a few names you could associate with him, however tenuously and include a context of place and time that would fit in - then stick it on the internet calling the site something you may view as Christian with loads of links to other anti-LDS pages you would jump and skip around as though you had found the leprechauns gold at the end of the rainbow" and in another section you stated "and having absolutely no idea what the background was to the claim in the first place? " What is the real basis of your argument? Have you checked my source from which the article was posted? It is you Robert who are jumping to your own conclusions If mormons choose to not read or believe things which may go against what the church want them to see and hear then where is your freedom of mind.? Tell me Robert, do you believe everything your church has told you regarding the history of your church? Do you believe they are open and honest about everything when they are explaining everything to new members? How come then I have read letters from mormons stating that they were never told JS had plural wives. What in your view is the reason JS and other LDS members were in the end hunted down by the mob? What does the church say is the reason JS died or was shot to death? I get this from http://www.utlm.org/onlineresources/josephsmithsdeath.htm#Joseph%20Kills%20Two " "I shall never forget the deep feeling of sympathy and regard manifested in the countenance of Brother Joseph as he drew nigh to Hyrum, and, leaning over him, exclaimed, 'Oh! my poor, dear brother Hyrum!' He, however, instantly arose, and with a firm, quick step, and a determined expression of countenance, approached the door, and pulling the six-shooter left by Brother Wheelock from his pocket, opened the door slightly, and snapped the pistol six successive times; only three of the barrels, however, were discharged. I afterwards understood that two or three were wounded by these discharges, two of whom, I am informed died." (History of the Church, Vol. 7, p. 100, 102 & 103)" and on the very same site; It is interesting to compare the death of Joseph Smith with that of Jesus. In Isaiah 53:7 we read the following: So Jesus kinda like died with a weapon in his hand. From Dales site we can get a couple of different accounts: This was a statement made from a member of the party. “I heard some firing upstairs. I was about fifty or sixty fwwt from the well, which was a few feet east of the jail. I saw Jo Smith jump from the window. He was shot before and after he jumped, while in the air. I suppose more than fifty shots were fired at him. I saw the bullet holes; some went through him. I saw a young man stab him with a butcher knife and say, "You was the cause of my father's death!" And this from another “John Taylor, late president of the Utah Mormon Church, who was in company with Joseph and Hyrum Smith in the front room upstairs, in the dwelling part of Carthage jail and was wounded when the Smiths were killed, told Brigham Young and other persons that Joseph looked out of the window and saw the approaching men, whose wives he had demanded should be sealed to him. The prophet said, "I am a dead man." The Mormon leaders know this is true.” So we have two separate accounts both stating JS was upstairs, yet the LDS version says different. If you believe the LDS version to be true can you please explain to me why? Nulla Nulla (Message edited by nulla on November 19, 2005) | ||
| nulla (nulla) Intermediate Member Username: nulla Post Number: 235 Registered: 3-2005 Posted From: 202.173.180.87 |
"I had not been married scarcely five minutes, and made one proclamation of the Gospel, before it was reported that I had seven wives.... I am innocent of all these charges.... What a thing it is for a man to be accused of committing adultery, and having seven wives, when I can only find one. I am the same man, and as innocent as I was fourteen years ago; and I can prove them all perjurers." —Joseph Smith, Jr., History of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, 6:410–411 On this site called “Remembering the wives of Joseph Smith” it paints a different picture. http://www.wivesofjosephsmith.org/home.htm Here his first plural wife is remembered. Benjamin Johnson, a close friend of Joseph Smith, described Fanny as, “varry nice and comly, [to whom] everyone Seemed partial for the ameability of her character.” She is generally considered the first plural wife of Joseph Smith. Although undocumented, the marriage of Fanny and Joseph most likely took place in Kirtland, Ohio sometime in 1833. She would have been sixteen years old. Book of Mormon witness, Oliver Cowdery, felt the relationship was something other than a marriage. He referred to it as “A dirty, nasty, filthy affair...” To calm rumors regarding Fanny’s relationship with Joseph, the church quickly adopted a “Chapter of Rules for Marriage among the Saints”, which declared, “Inasmuch as this church of Christ has been reproached with...polygamy; we declare that we believe, that one man should have one wife...” This “Article on Marriage” was canonized and published in the Doctrine & Covenants. In 1852, the doctrine of polygamy was publicly announced, thus ending eighteen years of secret practice. “The Article on Marriage” became obsolete and was later removed. The following list was retrieved from the FamilySearch Center located in the Joseph Smith memorial building on June 10, 1994. Plural Wife 1. Louisa Beaman 2. Zina Diantha Huntington 3. Prescendia Lathrop Huntington 4. Desdemona W. Fullmer 5. Mary Elizabeth Rollins (Lightner) 6. Patty Bartlett (Sessions) 7. Marinda Nancy Johnson (Hyde) 8. Eliza Roxcy Snow 9. Sarah Ann Whitney 10. Martha McBride (Knight) 11. Almera Woodard Johnson 12. Ruth D. Vose (Sayers) 13. Eliza Partridge 14. Helen Mar Kimball 15. Lucy Walker 16. Emily Partridge 17. Sarah Lawrence 18. Rhoda Richards 19. Melissa Lott 20. Fanny Young (Murray) Who is lying, the wives, the authors , or JS? Nulla | ||
| nulla (nulla) Intermediate Member Username: nulla Post Number: 253 Registered: 3-2005 Posted From: 202.0.155.232 |
THE HISTORY OF THE SAINTS; OR, AN EXPOSÉ OF JOE SMITH AND MORMONISM. BY JOHN C. BENNETT. ---------------------------- 1842 some extracts: "Joe afterwards tried to convince Mrs. Pratt of the propriety of his spiritual wife doctrine, and she at last told him peremptorily, "Joseph, if you ever attempt any thing --page 231-- of the kind with me again, I will make a full disclosure to Mr. Pratt on his return home. Depend upon it, I will certainly do it." Joe replied, "Sister Pratt, I hope you will not expose me, for if I suffer, all must suffer; so do not expose me. Will you promise me that you will not do it?" "He lied to her in the name of Israel's God. Let the base blasphemer remember that, and weep! Let him look at his black catalogue of crimes--his seductions and attempted seductions, in the name of the Lord--his thefts--his robberies--and his murders! Why, Satan blushes to behold so corrupt and loathsome a mortal,--one whose daring deeds of crime so far surpass hell's darkest counsels, as to hide the sable Prince of impenetrable darkness forever! If Joe Smith is not destined for the Devil, all I can say is, that the duties of a devil have not been clearly understood. " "Boston, September 17, 1842. "TO THE PUBLIC: "Without solicitation or the previous knowledge of any one, we would respectfully state that we have seen letter from four individuals, residing in and near Nauvoo, addressed to and received by different gentlemen in the States of New York and Massachusetts, through the post-office department, tending fully and unequivocally to confirm the truth of the disclosures of General Bennett, in relation to Joseph Smith, the Mormon Prophet, and his followers, especially so far as regards the Seraglio and Order Lodge, and the cases of Mrs Sarah M. Pratt, Miss Nancy Rigdon, and Mrs Emeline White. The writers of these letters are persons of great respectability, holding high official stations. They request that their names shall not be made public, for fear of secret murder by the Mormon Destroying Angel, or the Daughter of Zion. "ROBERT CARTER, "WILLARD J. WHITING, "EMERSON LELAND." "SUFFOLK, ss. September 17, 1842. "Then personally appeared the above-named Robert Carter, Willard J. Whiting, and Emerson Leland, and made oath that the above affidavit, by them subscribed, is true. "Before me, BRADFORD SUMMER, "Justice of the Peace." http://www.xmission.com/~country/reason/spratt.htm http://www.xmission.com/~country/reason/nrigdon.htm | ||
| nulla (nulla) Intermediate Member Username: nulla Post Number: 269 Registered: 3-2005 Posted From: 202.173.180.87 |
On Plural Marriages. "And again, as pertaining to the law of the priesthood—if any man espouse a virgin, and desire to espouse another, and THE FIRST GIVE HER CONSENT, and if he espouse the second, and they are virgins, and have vowed to no other man, THEN IS HE JUSTIFIED; he cannot commit adultery for they are given unto him; for he cannot commit adultery with that that belongeth unto him and to no one else." (Doctrine and Covenants 132:61) Yet Joseph didn't follow "God's" word. Emily Dow Partridge testified that she and her sister were married to Joseph without Emma's consent: “...the Prophet Joseph and his wife Emma offered us a home in their family, and they treated us with great kindness. We had been there about a year when the principle of plural marriage was made known to us, and I was MARRIED TO JOSEPH SMITH on the 4th of March 1843, Elder Heber C. Kimball performing the ceremony. My sister Eliza was also MARRIED TO JOSEPH a few days later. THIS WAS DONE WITHOUT THE KNOWLEDGE OF EMMA SMITH. Two months afterward she consented to give her husband two wives, providing he would give her the privilege of choosing them. She accordingly chose my sister Eliza and myself, and TO SAVE FAMILY TROUBLE BROTHER JOSEPH THOUGHT IT BEST TO HAVE ANOTHER CEREMONY PERFORMED. Accordingly on the 11th of May, 1843, we were sealed to Joseph Smith a second time, in Emma's presence,... From that very hour, however, Emma was our BITTER ENEMY. We remained in the family several months after this, but things went from bad to worse until we were obligated to leave the house and find another home.” (Historical Record, p. 240) | ||
| nulla (nulla) Intermediate Member Username: nulla Post Number: 291 Registered: 3-2005 Posted From: 202.173.180.87 |
Part one extract from Book of John Whitmer 1832-1846 Typescript, HBLL; Holograph RLDS Archives THE BOOK OF JOHN WHITMER KEPT BY COMMANDMENT Joseph Smith, Jr., S. Rigdon, and Hyrum Smith moved their families to this place, Far West, in the spring of 1838. As soon as they came here, they began to enforce their new organized plan, which caused dissensions and difficulties, threatenings and even murders. Smith called a council of the leaders together, in which council he stated that any person who said a word against the heads of the Church, should be driven over these prairies as a chased deer by a pack of hounds, having an illusion to the Gideonites, as they were termed, to justify themselves in their wicked designs. Thus on the 19th of June, 1838, they preached a sermon called the salt sermon, in which these Gideonites understood that they should drive the dissenters, as they termed those who believed not in their secret bands, in fornication, adultery or midnight machinations. Therefore they commenced suing at the law of the land by attachment for debts which they knew were paid, and justly paid, according to the laws of God and the land, and thus foreswore themselves in these things. Joseph Smith, Jr., S. Rigdon and Hyrum Smith were the instigators, and George W. Robinson, the prosecutor against David Whitmer, Lyman E. Johnson, Oliver Cowdery, F. G. Williams, W. W. Phelps and myself. They had threatened us, to kill us, if we did not make restitutions to them, by upholding them in their wicked purposes and designs. After they had instituted the foregoing suits Oliver Cowdery, D. Whitmer, L. E. Johnson and myself went to Clay County to obtain legal council, to prepare to overthrow these attachments which they had caused to be issued against us, which we were abundantly able to do by good and substantial witnesses. But to our great astonishment, when we were on our way home from Liberty, Clay County, we met the families of Oliver Cowdery and L. E. Johnson, whom they had driven from their homes, and robbed them of all their goods, save clothing, bedding, etc. While we were gone, Jo. and Rigdon and their band of Gadiantons kept up a guard, and watched our houses, and abused our families, and threatened them, if they were not gone by morning, they would be drove [driven] out, and threatened our lives, if they ever saw us in Far West. | ||
| nulla (nulla) Intermediate Member Username: nulla Post Number: 292 Registered: 3-2005 Posted From: 202.173.180.87 |
Part Two extract from Book of John Whitmer 1832-1846 Typescript, HBLL; Holograph RLDS Archives THE BOOK OF JOHN WHITMER KEPT BY COMMANDMENT fter they had driven us and our families, they commenced a difficulty in Daviess County, adjoining this county, in which they began to rob and burn houses, etc. etc., took honey which they, (the Mormons) called sweet oil, and hogs which they called bear, and cattle which they called buffalo. Thus they would justify themselves by saying, "We are the people of God, and all things are God's; therefore, they are ours." The old inhabitants were not slack in paying them in their own coin. Thus war and bloodshed commenced and the result was the Church was driven from this land, the pure in heart and innocent, as well as the more wicked, save a few dissenters who were left here to fulfill some of the former commandments. Now, before the Church left, Joseph Smith, Jr., Sidney Rigdon, H. Smith, P. P. Pratt, Lyman Wight and Amasa Lyman were delivered up to General Lucas and General Clark, and the rest of the officers of the government, and were ordered out by the governor of this state to stop the difficulties between the citizens and the Mormons. Smith and those others were tried by those officers for treason, etc., but found that they were not legally authorized to execute them after having found them guilty of many breaches of the law of the land, they put them in the hand of civil officers of the government, to be tried by the law of the land, and were committed to jail; but before the trial came on, which was named to some of the counties of this state, where the people were not so much prejudiced against them, as they were moved from Clay County to the county where they were to be tried, they hired the guard to let them go, etc., which they did and informed their brethren that an angel had delivered them from the guard; when in fact money hired those base and corrupt men, who let them go; and this through the wickedness of those to whom their safe-keeping were committed, these men escaped the justice of the law of the land which they had transgressed, and went unpunished at this time. | ||
| godchild (godchild) Senior Member Username: godchild Post Number: 2245 Registered: 1-2005 Posted From: 4.255.41.195 |
I have recently found another teacher's manual for the mormon church on how to teach the Doctrine and Covenants. Following are some exerpts: Ezra Taft Benson, President--The Book of Mormon is the Keystone (of the lds church). The Doctrine and Covenants is the Capstone, with continuing Latter Day revelation. The Savior is the Cornerstone. (Note: there is nothing said about the Holy Bible). Statement by Benson: The D&C is the only book in the world that has a preface written by the Lord Himself. (In the third line of this list is the following  3. That all truths found in the D&C will be fulfilled. (Does this mean the d&c contains only partial truth, or that all of it is considered truth?) One of the first classes has a (mormon church) description of Joseph Smith. See if history confirms this or proves the church has always lied about js.)= Joseph Smith came from a rich, spiritual heritage. His parents and grandparents were religious, patriotic, educationally minded, and of strong moral conviction. Joseph Smith's parents were both deeply devoted to God, devoted parents teaching their children the principles of faith and righteousness.________________ Does history show this to be true. What about accounts by neighbors that js was a no-account, lazy boy, who didn't finish school. (In fact, the church brags in other books that js was an uneducated young man.) What about accounts that js's father taught him treasure-digging and hiring themselves out to people for that purpose. That the family used a seer stone, which is from the occult; that the family had to move because they didn't pay their bills and cheated their neighbors; the accounts and evidence showing that js had a criminal record. Will the mormon church ever stop lying about their prophet? I don't think they can. Recently, they celebrated js with the same lies, in film and books. Shudder! | ||
| godchild (godchild) Senior Member Username: godchild Post Number: 2246 Registered: 1-2005 Posted From: 4.255.41.195 |
Yesterday I watched another program about women who had left the fundamentalist mormon church, because of polygamous relationships gone wrong. Two guests, a mother and daughter, were married to the same man. They stated this was not uncommon. The young men were forced out of the community because they were a threat to the old men who wanted the girls for themselves. The lds are embarassed and try to completely separate themselves from this offshoot of the lds church. What they do not tell is this faction STILL follows all that js and by taught. The lds church changed their doctrine to be accepted by the world. The Bible teaches us that we are in the world, but not of the world, and not to follow the world. What does this say of the lds church. They have denied what their beloved prophets said came from God. Shudder! | ||
| nulla (nulla) Intermediate Member Username: nulla Post Number: 299 Registered: 3-2005 Posted From: 202.173.180.87 |
They continue to lie and build up a completly false impression of JS. Is it any wonder that members then deny anything that in anyway says different. They refuse to believe anything that anyone in JS's days said in the negative about anything to do with the LDS then on the other hand they believe without doubt a lying, cheating money digger. Now tell me thats not brainwashing. GC... take a look at the newly opened discusion board at www.cultbusters.com.au. Thought you may be interested as they have had to start the site again from scratch due to database problems like they had here. Nulla | ||
| godchild (godchild) Senior Member Username: godchild Post Number: 2250 Registered: 1-2005 Posted From: 4.255.42.205 |
thanks nulla, and I will. |
