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kingdavid (kingdavid)
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Username: kingdavid
Post Number: 53
Registered: 9-2005
Posted From: 12.16.33.89
| | Posted on Friday, October 28, 2005 - 11:10 pm: | 
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...By following anyone but Christ? (Especially Mohammed) |
sharon (sharon)
Intermediate Member
Username: sharon
Post Number: 408
Registered: 11-2004
Posted From: 142.177.110.5
| | Posted on Monday, October 31, 2005 - 5:14 am: |
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kingdavid .. Satan, I can not stand that guy. The cloven hooves creep me out. I heard he is a really bad dancer. Also his whole I hate the human race and wish they would just go to hell is more than a little egotistical. Love him, hell no. |
ihavesinned (ihavesinned)
Intermediate Member
Username: ihavesinned
Post Number: 497
Registered: 9-2005
Posted From: 71.112.180.149
| | Posted on Monday, October 31, 2005 - 1:51 pm: |
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Yaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaawn. |
kingdavid (kingdavid)
Member
Username: kingdavid
Post Number: 92
Registered: 9-2005
Posted From: 12.16.33.89
| | Posted on Monday, October 31, 2005 - 4:50 pm: |
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AAWWWWWWWWWW....are you getting sleepy, mr. ihavesinned? Maybe you should go and rest those little sleepy peepies of yours. |
am2 (am2)
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Username: am2
Post Number: 83
Registered: 10-2005
Posted From: 137.3.122.49
| | Posted on Monday, October 31, 2005 - 9:25 pm: |
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I dont see how anyone could follow satan. in the end, christ wins. |
david_munson (david_munson)
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Username: david_munson
Post Number: 538
Registered: 9-2005
Posted From: 65.131.8.158
| | Posted on Monday, October 31, 2005 - 11:44 pm: |
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Christ wins
1.in the beginning.
2.in the middle.
3.in the end,which is really a new beginning.
Dave
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zara_z (zara_z)
Junior Member
Username: zara_z
Post Number: 26
Registered: 9-2005
Posted From: 138.130.144.123
| | Posted on Wednesday, November 02, 2005 - 2:41 am: |
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sheeeeesh.
You truly believe that christianity is the ONLY way? How do you know? do you know anyone personally who has returned from the dead to tell you of heaven hell etc?
Think about this. EVERYONE believes very strongly in their own religion/mindset/beliefs etc. To many people, no matter what religion they are, they think everyone else is wrong.
In the end, it's all the same! We're born, we die. There is no heaven or hell! (although myself I believe in reincarnation)
Why would you choose to follow a God that threatens you with hell if you do not follow him!! |
mmm (mmm)
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Username: mmm
Post Number: 6
Registered: 9-2005
Posted From: 207.118.4.9
| | Posted on Wednesday, November 02, 2005 - 1:25 pm: |
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Zara, I suppose eveyone who doesn't believe in reincarnation is wrong? The main question shouldn't be about heaven and hell, but wethere God is God. If He is God how could you not follow? From what I have seen and heard God doesn't threaten hell. He wants all men to be reconciled to Him. That is why He sent Jesus to die on the cross and rise up from the dead. For you and me. Because He loves us so much, He wants to have a relationship with us that is real. Just like I want a relationship with my kids (only He is perfect). I don't like the idea of hell anymore than the next guy. It's hard to imagine sending anyone there. But just becasue I don't like it doesn't affect wether it's there or not. instead of focusing on hell. Maybe you could reach out to God and tell him if he's there to show you and help you understand. Read about Jesus in the Gospels (Matthew, Mark Luke and John in the Bible). You might be pleasantly surprised.
Take Care!
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zara_z (zara_z)
Junior Member
Username: zara_z
Post Number: 28
Registered: 9-2005
Posted From: 203.46.224.202
| | Posted on Wednesday, November 02, 2005 - 3:49 pm: |
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Nope, I don't think people who don't believe in reincarnation are wrong, just that they believe differently to me.
And I've already, if you read my last post in one of the Satanism threads, posted some examples of just how nice your god and jesus really are.
And they are not very nice at all. Read the examples I posted and then tell me that you still think god and jesus are 'nice'.
Reach out to your god? Thanks but no thanks. I will never turn from Lucifer, or from my other Gods.
And just to avoid any misuderstandings, I'm not what you would class as a 'devil worshipper'. I am a LHP pagan and Lucifer is one of my Gods. His name was actually usurped by christianity and used for their devil, however he and my other Gods are very far removed from being evil.
I know this information isn't quite relevant here, I only post it to avoid possible misunderstandings.
(Message edited by zara_z on November 02, 2005) |
sharon (sharon)
Intermediate Member
Username: sharon
Post Number: 414
Registered: 11-2004
Posted From: 142.177.97.70
| | Posted on Friday, November 04, 2005 - 4:47 am: |
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zara_z....I am so sorry that you feel this way. But you can worship all the Gods you wish, your Father still loves you. I know he seems really confusing but that is what makes it so wonderful is that each must search and find him. It is a road each must travel. Do not be fooled by thinking that it is not a war for it truely is. You have chosen a side. But remember your Fathers warning in the last verse of the bible. You can not understand anything without understanding this. None of your Gods can come near to him who loves you as his child and watches you struggle to find your way. They hid the light from you and place lies as stumbling blocks in your path. THey were so good at it that your Father had to come back and send his son to show you who he really was so you could follow him and not the God of the bible, if you could not find him. I could not find him, the GOd I found I preached agaisnt. I hated the God of the bible. I thought he was evil, I did not understand. But he found me. I can understand your problem with God but what is your problem with Jesus? |
anoynomous (anoynomous)
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Username: anoynomous
Post Number: 60
Registered: 10-2005
Posted From: 64.53.137.20
| | Posted on Friday, November 04, 2005 - 4:59 pm: |
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WE KNOW THERE ARE SEVERAL ATTRIBUTES TO GOD
GOD IS GOOD, GOD IS LIGHT, GOD IS LOVE
ALSO GOD IS A CONSUMING FIRE.
GOD IS GOD AND CHANGES NOT SO I BELIEVE
HIM I RECEIVED HIM IN HIS INCARNATION
JESUS CHRIST AND THATS THE WAY IT IS. |
kingdavid (kingdavid)
Intermediate Member
Username: kingdavid
Post Number: 111
Registered: 9-2005
Posted From: 65.81.5.68
| | Posted on Saturday, November 05, 2005 - 6:17 am: |
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JESUS IS NICE!!!!  |
zara_z (zara_z)
Junior Member
Username: zara_z
Post Number: 32
Registered: 9-2005
Posted From: 138.130.135.230
| | Posted on Saturday, November 05, 2005 - 5:30 pm: |
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lol...I think I'll just agree to disagree. I don't like to argue (contrary to how it must appear, lol), so yeah.
Agree to disagree, I shall do  |
sharon (sharon)
Intermediate Member
Username: sharon
Post Number: 424
Registered: 11-2004
Posted From: 142.177.97.202
| | Posted on Sunday, November 06, 2005 - 7:03 am: |
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zara... Again I like your answer. And I shall do the same thing. To bad the world could not follow your example. Gosh then we would have no wars, what then, Peace?
(Message edited by sharon on November 06, 2005) |
zara_z (zara_z)
Junior Member
Username: zara_z
Post Number: 34
Registered: 9-2005
Posted From: 203.46.224.202
| | Posted on Sunday, November 06, 2005 - 6:18 pm: |
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Sharon, lol 
And that is one reason why I think women should be running more things in the world... |
devilsadvocate666 (devilsadvocate666)
Intermediate Member
Username: devilsadvocate666
Post Number: 179
Registered: 1-2005
Posted From: 70.174.144.164
| | Posted on Sunday, November 06, 2005 - 8:58 pm: |
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Sharon and Zara,
If only people would learn to accept the concept of agreeing to disagree, but hey, that's life. People will always find something to fight over.
For the record,
I do not consider everyone else's beliefs to be wrong simply since they may contradict or be different for my own. Why? I'm only concerned with how my beliefs affect me. Other people are free to beleive as they wish, as long as they don't bother me as far as I'm concerned. The accuracy of their beleifs being irrelevent, save in the cases of things like racism, which I do not tolerate. I can't help it, I just despise race superiority beliefs and their usual products of violence. But as for the existance of Heaven, Hell, the exact nature of God, etc, I'll let people come to their own conclusions, as such concepts really don't concern me, and since I'm not an authority on such a matter, I really don't see how its my business to force my subjective beliefs on anyone else as objective fact concerning those kinds of questions. |
sharon (sharon)
Intermediate Member
Username: sharon
Post Number: 432
Registered: 11-2004
Posted From: 142.177.99.176
| | Posted on Tuesday, November 08, 2005 - 7:15 am: |
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Zara, ... I counted the school buses that had women drivers in a line of school buses and about 80% were women. Now when I was a kid back in the day there was no such thing as a woman bus driver. In church the women way out number the men. At the foot of the cross the men who did not run away were gambling while the women wept.
My daughter has two degrees and while not a Christian is a kind and loving woman who works hard to help the less fortunate. We raise our daughters to think differently these days. Her Dad also wanted her to have a life that gave her what she wanted. Men will love their daughters when they know them but in many places this is not possible and so they do not see them as we see our little girls. We are moving forward. But many countries are moving backward. These will always be a threat to women, our sisters.
Da.....I once believed there was no God, but that belief was wrong. Then I believed there was a God but he was evil and that belief was wrong. Then I believed I knew what God wanted of me and that belief was wrong. I once believed I knew what it said in the bible but that was wrong. I read it again and again I thought I knew but that belief was wrong. God continues to show me the error of my ways and I am always learning. Just this year I understand why I do not eat the flesh of dead animals. I thought I knew but I was wrong. So your beliefs, well you will have to figure out if you are wrong as you can see I am already busy seeing where I am wrong. And I love seeing where I am wrong as I can fix it, if I do not know I am wrong how will I fix it. Racist I really do not get, evolution tell us we come from pond scum, God tells us were come from dirt, so where does being superior come in, superior to what? Like children in the school yard , God loves me more than you.
If one could force there beliefs on anyone my Children would all be Christian. But I can not make anyone be something they are not. Nor do I try. Because in truth God spoke to me or I would not believe in him either, so how can I expect others to. Believe because I say so does not work. Darn it. |
frankenchrist (frankenchrist)
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Username: frankenchrist
Post Number: 103
Registered: 11-2004
Posted From: 66.109.158.93
| | Posted on Sunday, November 13, 2005 - 8:59 pm: |
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am2 sez: "I dont see how anyone could follow satan. in the end, christ wins."
Goddammit Am2!! I wish you hadn't told me the ending before I finished the book. |
franklin (franklin)
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Username: franklin
Post Number: 1068
Registered: 11-2004
Posted From: 71.49.13.0
| | Posted on Sunday, November 13, 2005 - 9:04 pm: |
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It's obvious that you've never read the book. Never too late to start. Let the Word of God burn into your heart. Let the fire purify your soul. |
munchkin (munchkin)
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Username: munchkin
Post Number: 144
Registered: 11-2005
Posted From: 62.255.32.17
| | Posted on Sunday, November 13, 2005 - 9:16 pm: |
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[quote]It's obvious that you've never read the book. Never too late to start. Let the Word of God burn into your heart. Let the fire purify your soul.[quote/]
that is the sort of sentiment that scares the hell out of me. no way but my way sort of deal, just the sort of attidude that led to so many deaths in the name of religion.
beccaxx |
sharon (sharon)
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Username: sharon
Post Number: 435
Registered: 11-2004
Posted From: 142.177.97.62
| | Posted on Monday, November 14, 2005 - 4:52 am: |
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munchkin.... actually it is no way but Jesus's way. Since I have followed him my life is what it should be. I was born again long ago and I smoked, drank, and ate the flesh of dead animals, but Jesus told me he was always with me. I have stopped doing all those things but I know he loved me then as now. But by following him his life did not get better, mine did. THat is how it works. I would not want to live in this world now without him, it would be a scary place with out much hope, that is what scares the hell out of me. |
munchkin (munchkin)
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Username: munchkin
Post Number: 154
Registered: 11-2005
Posted From: 62.255.32.17
| | Posted on Monday, November 14, 2005 - 5:06 am: |
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hi sharon,
well i've never eaten animals, am a vegan, don't drink or smoke. Am not mean to others, help other always have never hurt another soul human or animal. And what you get from Christ i get from nature.
as for the above post in franklins post it is so absoloute with no room for compromise, nor for the joke that frankenfish made (which was quite funny, even my christian freinds thought so)whcih is hwy that attitude is scary, no room for laughing even not sure that that is christs way to be honest.
love becca |
franklin (franklin)
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Username: franklin
Post Number: 1090
Registered: 11-2004
Posted From: 71.49.13.0
| | Posted on Wednesday, November 16, 2005 - 9:51 pm: |
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I thought it was funny too, with the exception of the curse words. But it never ceases to amaze me how non believers always want to quote or paraphrase a book that they believe is total baloney.
If I thought there was no room for compromise I would not waste my time on factnet. Just the hours I spend sharing my faith with others requires vast amounts of toleration. That is what is required of Christians. Vast amounts of toleration. It is not within us, but comes from God. God knows which one of you that we talk to will be saved and which will not. I can't pick or choose.
Your insinuations of absolutism and intolerance is actually a mirror image of yourself. Your words are ingrained with intolerance. "My way or the Highway" is the atheists creed. "We can believe what we want to believe. We don't believe in God. But you can not believe what you believe because that belief offends me." That is the atheists creed.
Poor Madlyn O'Hair's son. He was offended by being forced to say a prayer. He ended up being a Christian after all. And Madlyn found out there is an afterlife after all. Atheists are the most intolerant people I know.
Your being a Taoist is no excuse for you comparing me with some kooky evangelist who knocked on your door. Your enemies are not Christians. They have given you the freedom to worship as you wish. It is the atheists who always end religious freedom. Beware of who you are in league with. |
munchkin (munchkin)
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Username: munchkin
Post Number: 202
Registered: 11-2005
Posted From: 62.255.32.17
| | Posted on Thursday, November 17, 2005 - 12:37 am: |
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franklin,
i am inleague with no one. the only reasons christians accpeted religous freedom, was that there were so many sects of it that kept waging war on the others, it got silly.
aetheists, christians etc, it is fundamentalists who take peoples freedom, what they do it in the name of is almost incidental.
if you don't wish to appear as a kooky evangeslist then lighten up just a tad, jokes can be funny, if you believe thatt he bible is real, then how can frankenchrists joke, be a bad thing, there is not enought light in this world or laughter at the moment, laugh because crying or shouting all the time doesn't help.
I'm pretty sure you can still be christian and yet not mention christ in every post, or nearly every post, well i know a lot of aetheists, and they are very happy to let it be, can you say the same? can you say frankenchrist that was one witty rejoiner?
if you can genuinly let it be for just a little, then you prove your point that you can be tolerant.
also am not sure why being a Taoist has much to do with yourlast paragraph, unless you misunderstand what a Taoist is, if you do gooleing can find lits of views
love beccaxx
(Message edited by munchkin on November 17, 2005) |
ball_of_fluff (ball_of_fluff)
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Username: ball_of_fluff
Post Number: 522
Registered: 11-2004
Posted From: 66.107.60.82
| | Posted on Thursday, November 17, 2005 - 5:35 pm: |
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Well, it's better than eating the flesh of live animals--(sorry, Sharon, couldn't resist)} |
franklin (franklin)
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Username: franklin
Post Number: 1096
Registered: 11-2004
Posted From: 71.49.13.0
| | Posted on Thursday, November 17, 2005 - 8:59 pm: |
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"I thought it was funny too, with the exception of the curse words" Read my posts.
I do not mention Christ in every one of my posts. Read them. I don't care if I appear to be a kooky evangelist. I am not a man pleaser.
"The Tao regulates natural processes and nourishes balance in the Universe. It embodies the harmony of opposites (i.e. there would be no love without hate, no light without dark, no male without female.)"
My sense of humor wanes when I am being typecast.
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munchkin (munchkin)
Intermediate Member
Username: munchkin
Post Number: 209
Registered: 11-2005
Posted From: 62.255.32.17
| | Posted on Friday, November 18, 2005 - 3:39 am: |
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ahh but to be type cast should be funniest of all if we just be who we are, then we know who we are and keep assuring that we laught at oursleves often then typcasting is just funny
bxx |
sharon (sharon)
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Username: sharon
Post Number: 440
Registered: 11-2004
Posted From: 142.177.97.177
| | Posted on Friday, November 18, 2005 - 7:35 am: |
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... WOW.. I wish I had been as smart as you. Did your family grow up Taoists? I am jealous, I know, I know that is a sin. But God Bless you for having the heart that loves all. I came late to having my eyes opened and I feel saddened by my total lack of understanding. I thought I was doing much good but most was lip service.
I have seen many things in many religions that I really like, little pieces I take away with me. You are so following Jesus, and do better at it than I. He was all into the love one another and to be tolerant. You are right about the typecast, many say this and that about Christians and sometime they are right and sometime wrong.
But Christians are like all people and come in all different types and sizes.
Like Franklin, I know if I write something wrong or over the top he will stop me, and I count on this. If I step over the line he will point to the line and i will step back. But he does have a wonderful sense of humor, and he is all about Jesus. I am glad that there are so many types of Christians, but given the choice I would that they be more like Franklin because I know he is all about Jesus. And that is what a Christian is. |
munchkin (munchkin)
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Username: munchkin
Post Number: 214
Registered: 11-2005
Posted From: 62.255.32.17
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Not as Taoist no, more a sort of, love and tolerance home, from my mum mainly Well i say i've been a Taoist for 7yrs. But really i've always known there was something, as a child i was close to nature, and felt things, as i grew up i opened to God (as mentioend before), looked into Taoism out of curiosity mainly had seena film were it was mentioned, and it clicked with my soul, so i feel i have always been a Taoist. Personaly i think had Jesus been from China he'd have been classed a Toaist (in religous Taosim he is one of the sages).
I was tlaking to a cabiie today, about good people and not so good people, his words are very wise, "you know its impossib;e for good people regardless of culture colour religion, to be really bad people." i thik that that is true sharon you seem like a good person to me wea l get to make mistakes, and often get the chance to put them right, why this is is a theological, and philosophical question that many here have opinions about, importantly we do have that capacity in us, to learn life lessons, and be nicer people thanks to them
love becca xx |
franklin (franklin)
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Username: franklin
Post Number: 1108
Registered: 11-2004
Posted From: 71.49.13.0
| | Posted on Friday, November 18, 2005 - 9:32 pm: |
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Thanks Sharon, and Munchkin too. Any misunderstandings we have had or will have we can always overcome. If we try. |
munchkin (munchkin)
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Username: munchkin
Post Number: 220
Registered: 11-2005
Posted From: 62.255.32.17
| | Posted on Saturday, November 19, 2005 - 1:33 am: |
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[quote]Thanks Sharon, and Munchkin too. Any misunderstandings we have had or will have we can always overcome. If we try.[quote/]
we sure can franklin
love becca xx |
greekgaia15
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Username: greekgaia15
Post Number: 8
Registered: 4-2006
Posted From: 204.249.125.199
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People follow Satan because he represents free will and lust.Why does the name matter so much? Whether it's God, Buhda, Satan, Mother Earth, or Allah, all are just names. They all have power over peoples lives and have some say in where you go when you die. Why does it matter what name we call him (or her)? |
sharon
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Username: sharon
Post Number: 584
Registered: 11-2004
Posted From: 198.164.4.48
| | Posted on Friday, June 23, 2006 - 7:24 am: |
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Because how would we know of whom you speak. If you quoted Milton could you call him Kipling? If you did would you know what his works were. When I say Satan, well you know who I mean. Thats right old nasty boots, prince of this world, Lord of Flies, Prince of Darkness, Old Smoke, See you know who I mean and I only had to use his name! |
arron
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Username: arron
Post Number: 2355
Registered: 11-2004
Posted From: 68.119.37.10
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the BIBLE IS THE WORD OF THE LIVING GOD. there is no other WAY than JESUS. HE IS THE ONLY WAY. HE IS THE ROAD TO HEAVEN, if you dont come by HIM you wont be there at all |
frankenchrist
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Username: frankenchrist
Post Number: 410
Registered: 11-2004
Posted From: 66.109.144.177
| | Posted on Monday, November 20, 2006 - 4:05 pm: |
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Satan is a concept that is present in a few religions, Islam, Zoarastrianism, Christianity, and I suppose some others. What seems strange to me is the fact that Satanic organizations such as Levay's Churchof Satan and the OTO take this concept from these religions but claim no affiliation to them.
The posts from DA666 suggest a kind of Fruedian interpretation of Satan - one's dark side. The ritualistic nature of these groups are kind of confusing -- religious or non-religious? They can't seem to make up their minds. I admit that I'm not very well schooled on Satanic groups. What I don't understand is the purpose of the rituals -- if Satan is conceptual only then why perform a ritual that suggests invoking a supernatural power?
Any Satanists around who can help me understand this? |