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hombre (hombre)
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Username: hombre
Post Number: 79
Registered: 8-2005
Posted From: 209.254.77.23
| | Posted on Monday, October 17, 2005 - 9:19 pm: | 
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Fiver, I know it must hurt to be excluded
from what you want so bad.
But you really need to shut up for a while,
and listen to the CONTENT and MOTIVES.
BTW: JESUS called people FOOLS.
Solomon taught on who fools are.
Is it a sin to recognize that someone may be
living up to that definition? |
mscaliotti (mscaliotti)
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Username: mscaliotti
Post Number: 12
Registered: 10-2005
Posted From: 71.243.44.250
| | Posted on Tuesday, October 18, 2005 - 5:54 am: |
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FACTNet message board suggestions and guidelines:
A great way to run a message board was discovered at the Operation Clambake message boards where they state; "When writing your messages, please use the same courtesy that you would show when speaking face-to-face with someone. Flames, insults, and personal attacks will not be tolerated. It's fine to disagree strongly with opinions, ideas, and facts, but always with respect for the other person. Great minds do not always think alike!"
Michael...If you post anymore garbage and will not remove the other content, I will report you to the moderators and have you banned.
If I were to to go by the laws of the land, you would be guilty of harrassment, slander and libel and you would be arrested.
Shut up for heaven's sake. Everyone, including God, has had enough of your rantings!
I command you to stop in Jesus' Name.
I would not want to be you on judgment day, pal. The reason I won't deal with you anymore is because God will deal with you in the near future...either here or in heaven.
Hombre, I will get back to you soon on your question. Please be patient, my brother. I will get back to you. And please don't answer this guy back. He is only looking for a fight. If you get involved with this person, he will gladly oblige. You are only aggitating the demonic spirits in him.
Thank you Hombre. You are only doing yourself a favor. Also, thank you for defending me. It is appreciated. More importantly, God is my Defense. Fave it Hombre...even if we did repent, Michael would not believe us anyway. Like I said, he is only looking for a fight. Don't give it to him. Let's put the fire out that he is kindling.
Mark
(Message edited by mscaliotti on October 18, 2005) |
mscaliotti (mscaliotti)
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Post Number: 13
Registered: 10-2005
Posted From: 71.243.44.250
| | Posted on Tuesday, October 18, 2005 - 6:16 am: |
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Furthermore from FactNet:
People who refuse to abide by the Guidelines and Rules of the FACTNet discussion board leave us very little choice but to restrict their access to the board or even to see FACTNet at all.
Users that spam the board, attempt to disable the board, attempt to hack the server or relentlessly harass people will be banned. This is not negotiable. |
fivefoldprophet (fivefoldprophet)
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Username: fivefoldprophet
Post Number: 204
Registered: 11-2004
Posted From: 4.254.132.69
| | Posted on Tuesday, October 18, 2005 - 8:03 pm: |
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Mark did you as a Faith Assembly leader
do anything wrong? That is my question
when you posted the websites.. Jokes called people
Fools ect.
Are you going down a dangerous path ?
What about the Faith Assembly Children do you think this behavior is a example to them?
Since Faith Assembly is supporting you as a room leader
Will you influence the members of faith assembly in a negative way?
Remember Faith Assembly had problems with children dieing
Under your influence will this start up again?
Oh by the way you trashed copeland by calling his teaching satanic,
and Jan and paul crouch by accusing them of stealing money from their members
And also slandered and spoke derogatory of Former president Clinton and senator
Hillary Rodham Clinton,,
Besides there is many cases in your own
Postings of name calling and hate speech
So go ahead and contact factnet
You can dish it out but cant handle the truth!
so why dont you repent
and ask Jesus to forgive!
so we can be friends and then everything
will be alright!
you are welcome in my paltalk room anytime
and so is all the people from FA>>>>
you come and we can talk and pray togeather.
and Jesus will help!
(Message edited by fivefoldprophet on October 18, 2005) |
hombre (hombre)
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Username: hombre
Post Number: 80
Registered: 8-2005
Posted From: 209.254.77.23
| | Posted on Wednesday, October 19, 2005 - 1:29 pm: |
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Note to all sane persons of like precious faith:
have you ever held a conversation
in a crowded room, where people are talking all around you,
and you have to ignore them and focus on what is being said,
in order to maintain the conversation and direction?
Well, of course you have.
So then, this 'cafe' is really no different.
Pay no attention to the guy on stage
who is not all that entertaining.
Besides, once you've heard him,
you've heard everything he has to say.
Next. |
mscaliotti (mscaliotti)
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Username: mscaliotti
Post Number: 14
Registered: 10-2005
Posted From: 71.243.44.250
| | Posted on Wednesday, October 19, 2005 - 4:32 pm: |
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Hey Hombre.
I like what you said. It shows a lot of wisdom and maturity on your part.
Be blessed my brother and friend.
And the person on stage wants to be friends...right! |
mscaliotti (mscaliotti)
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Username: mscaliotti
Post Number: 16
Registered: 10-2005
Posted From: 71.243.44.250
| | Posted on Wednesday, October 19, 2005 - 10:50 pm: |
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You shouldn't be bothering me anyway Michael. Act like a true Christian and I will believe you.
A true Christian will not keep harassing me. Remember my warning...and I will add this...I will email the Paltalk admins too and you will be banned from that forum too.
Think about it. Stop this now. Don't take it as a warning...just friendly advice. I am a man of my word and I will do it.
No more conversation...You want my friendship? Stop this now. |
duncan (duncan)
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Username: duncan
Post Number: 108
Registered: 1-2005
Posted From: 205.255.224.10
| | Posted on Thursday, October 20, 2005 - 4:46 pm: |
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Glad to be of some assistance!
Have a wonderful afternoon.
Duncan |
duncan (duncan)
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Username: duncan
Post Number: 109
Registered: 1-2005
Posted From: 205.255.224.10
| | Posted on Thursday, October 20, 2005 - 5:32 pm: |
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Five,
I know I’ve been having fun messing around with you recently, but in all seriousness, let me ask you’re opinion on something that I heard this past week from my that made a lot of sense to me.
Before I ask you’re opinion, let me remind you that I do not believe that Jesus had to go to hell to redeem me. This is something that we have discussed many times over the past year, so I just wanted to let you know upfront where I am coming from. At the same time, some of the verses that you and other JDS folks use have made me wonder what their meaning could be. I already knew some of what I heard, but I also heard some things that may have cleared up my questions.
We all know that Hades is not hell, but rather is translated as “the place of departed spirits.” When Jesus walked the earth (and in the Old Testament, too), both believers and sinners went to Hades. One was tormented, and one was not. When Jesus tells of the rich man and Lazarus, he states that Lazarus went to Abraham’s bosom, not to heaven. Then in Ephesians 4:8-9, it talks about him ascending and descending. The way this was explained to me was that Jesus did enter Hades (not hell) to deliver the captive saints and take them to heaven. Paul states in II Corinthians 5:8 states that to be absent from the body is to be present with the Lord. This truth became possible because of the death of Jesus.
What are your thoughts on this?
Thanks in advance.
Duncan |
mscaliotti (mscaliotti)
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Username: mscaliotti
Post Number: 28
Registered: 10-2005
Posted From: 71.243.44.250
| | Posted on Tuesday, October 25, 2005 - 5:28 pm: |
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Very interested thoughts by Five. No doubt he learned that from Hobart Freeman |
mscaliotti (mscaliotti)
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Username: mscaliotti
Post Number: 29
Registered: 10-2005
Posted From: 71.243.44.250
| | Posted on Wednesday, October 26, 2005 - 6:17 am: |
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Michael I heard you got a warning from Factnet.
That's good.
And I didn't get the things I know by a man either. |
hombre (hombre)
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Username: hombre
Post Number: 92
Registered: 8-2005
Posted From: 209.254.77.23
| | Posted on Wednesday, October 26, 2005 - 12:25 pm: |
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This is a quote form FiveFoldProphet, post # 223:
So did Jesus become literal sin?
The bible says yes!
1 Peter 2:24 (KJV) Who his own self bare our sins in his own body on the tree, that we, being dead to sins, should live unto righteousness: by whose stripes ye were healed.
Note that the bible says literally ?in His own bodyÓ
So sin was literally in his body!
So Jesus became our sin it was in his body!
Hombre:
OK, now I really give up.
Fiver, listen up.
Apparently, you have no psychology or philosophy background.
What we have here is this:
Deductive reasoning, based upon false premise.
Your logic is good, but what you are basing it upon is false.
When you start with a false premise, you end up with a false deduction.
However, even starting with a true premise does not guarantee a true deduction.
It is not a good way to arrive at a true conclusion.
Allow me to demonstrate the process of deductive reasoning:
Prophets generally know scripture.
FiveFoldProphet knows a lot of scriptures.
FiveFoldProphet must then be a prophet.
You see, Fiver,......
1 For the law having a shadow of good things to come, and not the very image of the things, can never with those sacrifices which they offered year by year continually make the comers thereunto perfect.
2 For then would they not have ceased to be offered? because that the worshippers once purged should have had no more conscience of sins.
3 But in those sacrifices there is a remembrance again made of sins every year.
4 For it is not possible that the blood of bulls and of goats should take away sins.
5 Wherefore when he cometh into the world, he saith, Sacrifice and offering thou wouldest not, but a body hast thou prepared me:
6 In burnt offerings and sacrifices for sin thou hast had no pleasure.
7 Then said I, Lo, I come (in the volume of the book it is written of me,) to do thy will, O God.
8 Above when he said, Sacrifice and offering and burnt offerings and offering for sin thou wouldest not, neither hadst pleasure therein; which are offered by the law;
9 Then said he, Lo, I come to do thy will, O God. He taketh away the first, that he may establish the second.
10 By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.
Heb. 10:1-10
Jesus did NOT take on our sins within His body,
He rather, PAID for the PUNISHMENT that was due us for our sins.
It was a SUBSTITUTIONARY ATONEMENT ~ to God ~ for our sins.
Go study some more.
(Message edited by Hombre on October 26, 2005) |
hombre (hombre)
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Username: hombre
Post Number: 95
Registered: 8-2005
Posted From: 209.254.77.23
| | Posted on Thursday, October 27, 2005 - 8:35 pm: |
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FiveFoldProphet:
Hombre you donÍt need to study ,you need Jesus!
Hombre:
I don't need your jesus, that's for sure,
but you are right that I really don't need to study
to know that you're wrong.
BTW: you are enough to make a saint cuss;
however I am going to resist the extreme unction of that desire,
though it would thrill me temporarily to no end.
You do, however remind me of a classic movie star.
That would be the straw man from the Wizard of Oz.
Do you remember his quaint little ditty that painted
such an accurate portrait of him?
I believe it went something like this:
da-da-da-da-da-da-da,
if I only had a brain,
da-da-da-da-da-da-da,
if I only had a brain.
... and so forth, on and on it would go. |
hombre (hombre)
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Username: hombre
Post Number: 99
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Posted From: 209.254.77.23
| | Posted on Friday, October 28, 2005 - 3:48 pm: |
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______________________________________________________
Quote from Hombre:
BTW: you are enough to make a saint cuss;
however I am going to resist the extreme unction of that desire,
though it would thrill me temporarily to no end.
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Sorry Fiver,
You have once again befuddled and muddied the context,
motive and content of what I said.
Why should that surprise me?
OK.
Let me explain the idea of temptation.
All men are tempted, when they are drawn away by their own
particular weakness and enticed. Jesus was the ONLY man
who ever walked a perfect walk, according to the laws' command,
a PERFECT sacrifice ( thank-you Mr. Seitz, your music is still blessing me).
ALL men have sinned and fallen short of the mark that is required by God.
ALL men are tempted, I am, you are, etc., and will continue to be tempted
until we are out of here, ...me to heaven because my faith rests
in the PURE BLOOD of CHRIST, and you...well that I am not the judge of.
So,.... anyway,...as I was saying....
One of my temptations is to remain calm in the face of stupidity.
When that happens, I must confess, that I would like to give the moron
something to chew on, besides my shoe leather on his posterior.
( as in giddy-up, mule )
That being said, I realize that the thrill of doing so is also Biblically based,
in that this would be ' the pleasure of sin for a season'. But like Moses,
I esteem the riches of Christ far greater reward than the momentary delight
of informing someone he/she/it is nothing more than a irritating whining wussy,
without enough common sense to shut up when they lack enough knowledge
to make an informed/enlightened remark on the subject at hand,
instead of constantly migrating ever outwards into some nether world
of accusation and false prophecy.
It would be, I guess better for me to simply say,
'Get thee behind me, Satan', as my Master said.
That being said then,
'Get thee behind me, Satan'.
BTW: Did I learn my lesson about speaking
in a politically correct manner from you really good, Mr False Prophet? |
hombre (hombre)
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Username: hombre
Post Number: 105
Registered: 8-2005
Posted From: 209.254.77.23
| | Posted on Saturday, October 29, 2005 - 2:22 pm: |
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HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!
Really good, Mr False Prophet.
Will the little smiley face fellow make you happy,
and stop your crying or do you want a lollipop? |
hombre (hombre)
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Username: hombre
Post Number: 106
Registered: 8-2005
Posted From: 209.254.77.23
| | Posted on Saturday, October 29, 2005 - 2:31 pm: |
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.... oh, I almost forgot...and I really do need to warn you....
...since the blood of your jesus became tainted with sin,
before he descended into hell,
.... it is really not an effective tool of defense or offense against the devil.
You will need to purchase several large cloves of garlic,
some holy water, and a big silver cross to drive him off with.
HAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!!!!!!
.....pathetic. |
hombre (hombre)
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Username: hombre
Post Number: 110
Registered: 8-2005
Posted From: 209.254.77.23
| | Posted on Monday, October 31, 2005 - 4:44 pm: |
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Quote from FiveFoldDumbCrap:
you see Jesus became sin on the cross and it was in His body..
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Hombre:
No, I do not see that.
I will never see that.
You and your moron pilot buddy, turned philosopher,
came up with that idea, contrary to ALL accepted
Christian church doctrine since the Bibles' contents
were agreed upon as canonical scripture.
I think your motive is to convince everyone that
you are a prophet, so that you can exercise judgment
and power over them, through twisting the Bible
to your own ends.
Elijah, you ain't. |
hombre (hombre)
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Username: hombre
Post Number: 113
Registered: 8-2005
Posted From: 209.254.77.23
| | Posted on Monday, October 31, 2005 - 7:09 pm: |
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Oh yeah?
Try this one on for size:
FiveFoldFart.
Give me a break....wah, wah, wah. |
hombre (hombre)
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Username: hombre
Post Number: 116
Registered: 8-2005
Posted From: 209.254.77.23
| | Posted on Monday, October 31, 2005 - 7:20 pm: |
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Cry me a sad song, you big baby.
Has it also failed to sink into your thick skull
that you have maligned everyone here, with either
direct insults, or insinuations? |
hombre (hombre)
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Username: hombre
Post Number: 118
Registered: 8-2005
Posted From: 209.254.77.23
| | Posted on Monday, October 31, 2005 - 7:34 pm: |
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It's not Christian to taint the Blood of Christ with sin.
You are very wrong, Mister FiveFoldFalseProphet. |
hombre (hombre)
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Username: hombre
Post Number: 125
Registered: 8-2005
Posted From: 209.254.77.23
| | Posted on Friday, November 04, 2005 - 6:16 pm: |
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The point being, Fiver, that you mix sin with the purity of God.
You see, once God sins, or has sin imputed to Him, instead of
simply paying the price for the crimes, He ceases to exist.
'The wages of sin, is death'.
~ Rom, 6:23
Once God is dead, which BTW, you also say happens when He goes to Hell,
thereby also dying the second death, or 'spiritually', the entire universe also ceases to exist.
We are upheld by the word of His power.
~ Heb.1:1-3
You are also turning sin into some sort of mystical thing,
that has it's own sort of reality, sort of like a manufactured item,
whereby Jesus takes this upon himself, as a burden of sorts
and somehow, again mystically, he drops it off, I guess, in Hell,
and is then free to rise from the dead.
That is really poor theology, just based upon logic and common sense,
not to mention the fact that you are skewing the entire doctrines
of salvation, sin, Christ, and The Holy Spirit.
It is so easy to understand, Fiver.
Your basic problem is that you are confusing the penalty with the act.
If your brother robbed a bank, got caught and was found guilty,
the judge would sentence him to serve time, or whatever,
to pay the penalty for his crime.
If the judge allowed you to step into his place and serve the time for him,
the law would be served, and the punishment exacted and completed.
That is what Christ did for us.
He paid the penalty for our sin.
Which penalty is death.
That is all there is to it.
You need to find out where the King James version is deviating
from the Word of God, because there are some translation errors. |
mscaliotti (mscaliotti)
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Username: mscaliotti
Post Number: 40
Registered: 10-2005
Posted From: 71.243.44.250
| | Posted on Saturday, November 05, 2005 - 5:38 am: |
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Quote:
"Jesus is the second adam."
Wrong! Jesus is the LAST Adam.
1 Corinthians 15:45 Â And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit.
I have heard teachers say that Jesus is the second Adam. But that is not scripturally accurate.
Quote:
Jesus went as sinless God to sheol and preached to the captive spirits and took the keys of death and hell away from the devil
Comment: Where in the Bible does it say that Jesus took the keys of death and hell from the devil? There is no place in the Bible that the devil had any keys whatsoever. Please quote me scripture for your insinuation. That is part of the JDS delusion.
Quote:
"oh are you saying God does not have power over His own bible? its been this way 400 plus years"
Comment: You mean to say that God can now contradict His word? You mean that God can go against His on Word? 400 plus years? Please extrapolate and dilineate on your hypososis of 400 years?
Just for your info, Mr Prophet...got is sovereign, true. But He cannot go against His own Word.
WOW! Talk about convoluted theology.
Back to the Freeman tapes for me! At least that's where sound Biblical theology and teaching is.
Have a nice day...and by the way...why don't you spend your time studying the scriptures so that you won't come up with these ridiculous ideas of yours instead of posting bad things about other people and debating with us and stirring up strife amongst the brethren. First you are a prophet, now you are a theologian. Yeah right. At least the rest of us have better things to do with our time.
(Message edited by Mscaliotti on November 05, 2005) |
mscaliotti (mscaliotti)
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Post Number: 41
Registered: 10-2005
Posted From: 71.243.44.250
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And by the way...there is no such thing as a King James Version deception. I personally like the KJV (I am not KJV only). But I agree with Hombre that there are translation errors in the KJV, and no doubt in the other translations as well.
For instance:
Isaiah 53:4  ¶Surely he hath borne our griefs, and carried our sorrows: yet we did esteem him stricken, smitten of God, and afflicted.
Griefs and sorrows there is sickness and pains in the Hebrew.
Shall I name some more?
That is why it pays to at least have a good Hebrew and Greek dictionary, if you don't know the languages. |
mscaliotti (mscaliotti)
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Username: mscaliotti
Post Number: 42
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Posted From: 71.243.44.250
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Correction fivefold falseprophesy...
We disfellowshipped you and gave you over to the devil for the destruction of your flesh.
Get it right |
mscaliotti (mscaliotti)
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Post Number: 43
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Posted From: 71.243.44.250
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Someone once asked the question if a Christian can have a demon. The answer is yes. His name is Fivefoldprophet |
hombre (hombre)
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Username: hombre
Post Number: 128
Registered: 8-2005
Posted From: 209.254.77.23
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Quote from MScaliotti:
Someone once asked the question if a Christian can have a demon.
The answer is yes. His name is Fivefoldprophet.
Hombre:
That would have been me, most recently,
in an attempt to stir some worthwhile conversation.
I see that you have been able to read through the innuendo...kudos!....
nevertheless, I would still like to hear some discussion on the topic.
It is my belief, since no one can prove it through scripture, that one can posess,
or be possessed by innumerable spirits, Christian or no.
I base this idea upon the fact that spiritual beings do not take up space,
as is demonstrated by the Gadarene demoniac, as well as through
an understanding of the 3D physical space we live in vs. the spiritual dimension,
which co-exists integrally with ours, not being a separate 'place'.
I also bring to the table, the idea, that a person who receives Christ,
may have demons when he/she receives Christs' forgiveness for their sins.
Receiving forgiveness does not include deliverance from demonic spirits.
Neither does the acceptance of Christ as Savior include the Baptism in the Holy Spirit.
It is simply the forgiveness of sins. One must ask for that separately, in the same way
that one asks for anything else separately.
When one is 'filled' with the Holy Spirit, I believe that this is also not a filling
that one can compare to filling a glass with water, that once full, will hold no more.
Rather, spirits do not require 'space' the way we think of space to exist within.
Therefore the same rule would hold true, that a person can be inhabited by
any number of spirits.
Aside of this belief, I have witnessed, and have heard the stories of others
who received deliverance after receiving Christ.
Receiving Christ gives one the power to recognize and deal effectively
with demonic spirits.
How and why would one be, or want to be,
delivered from demonic spirits without Christ? |
mark1124 (mark1124)
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Posted From: 71.243.44.250
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Seriously, Hombre I do not believe a Christian can be demon possessed, but he can be influenced, oppressed, etc. It is possible for a Christian to open himself up to demonic spirits. Numerous examples are given in Dr. Freeman's book "Every Wind of Doctrine." A Christian can be oppressed by playing with a Ouija board even if it is fun. But there are many other ways a Christian can open the doors to demonic powers as well. Christians can suffer from depression, which is also a spirit.
They can have fear in their lives, which is also a spirit.
Any unsaved person can be demon possessed. The definition of demon possession is, "The state of being dominated by or as if by evil spirits or by an obsession." Any person can unknowingly open themselves up to the powers of darkness.
A Christian, on the other hand cannot be dominated by an evil spirit but, as I have said, can be influenced, oppressed, or obsessed by spirits, in which case, he either needs to get help or take himself through the steps of deliverance.
I hope I have answered you in some way and perhaps I can explain it better later.
One humorous quotation before I go. Someone once asked Norvel Hayes, who is a Bible teacher in Tennessee, I believe, if a Christian can have a demon. Norvel's response was, "Why? Do you want one?" So funny. |
hombre (hombre)
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Username: hombre
Post Number: 130
Registered: 8-2005
Posted From: 209.254.77.23
| | Posted on Sunday, November 06, 2005 - 3:01 pm: |
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Mark,
Thanks for your insight.
In my thinking, there is a huge difference between
possession and oppression.
The Gadarene demoniac, was obviously 'possessed'.
To me, 'oppression' ends when the person becomes
dominated beyond their control and relinquishes his/her
consciousness and will to the spirit, whereupon the
person becomes 'possessed'.
Back in FA glory days, among those I counted
as close compatriots, was a couple, who had
a serious Catholic background.
When they heard the faith message, they got saved,
then baptized in the Spirit. As they progressed a little further,
The wife saw that epilepsy was something that Jesus dealt with
as a spirit, specifically. She had suffered with epilepsy all her life.
Her and her husband commanded the spirit to come out of her,
and according to her, she saw a very ghastly black form leave her body,
and she was subsequently free from epilepsy the entire time that
I knew them...about 9 -10 years.
Take that or leave it, but I was delivered myself after salvation,
as were many others I know/knew. We all had supernatural experiences
and various visuals of things leaving our bodies.
The person I described above, was one of those cases where the distinction
between 'oppression' and 'possession' becomes blurred.
One minute the person is there, and in control, the next, they are not.
I think also, that there is a whole sliding scale from white to black,
of varying degrees of oppression to possession.
The question, I guess I am pushing at here is, when does simple oppression
by any particular spirit, become more than that, as in 'habitation'?\
Jesus told of the spirit being cast out, and seeking to re-enter, finding it
swept and garnished, brings with him 7 more spirits worse than himself,
they enter in, and the last state of the man becomes worse than the first.
My next question to pose to you is this:
WHO gets delivered from demons, except someone who puts their faith
in Jesus, and is delivered, by the Name, the Blood,
and the power of Jesus Christ, except a Christian?
I don't see a lot of unbelievers rushing to alters to be prayed for to receive
deliverance, besides which, the childrens' bread, is not for them anyway.
Finally, are these not all examples for US to learn from?
Jesus is not preaching this to unbelievers.
He warns us about this, I believe, for a purpose.
If you have something scripturally to prove me wrong,
or something I am missing in a broader sense theologically,
I would like to see it; however, I am not in the habit of contradicting
the realities of what I and others have experienced .
Where I am going with this is here:
There are a multitude of spirits who oppress through a plethora of vehicles.
( No Fiver, I am not saying that demons drive cars, although I have seen
a few that seemed to ) There are religious spirits, antichrist spirits, spirits
of deception, doubt and unbelief, fear and infirmities galore.
The reason some people cannot see the gospel,
or for that matter, things in the Bible, like the faith message,
is because their minds are blinded by the god of this world.
We can talk until we are blue in the face to people
using the most plain and clear language, yet they fail to comprehend it.
Some Christians I have met are adamant about whatever unscriptural
religious belief it is they have, whether they can back it up or not.
The answer is that they need deliverance...whether the person is
being oppressed by a spirit, outside of the body, or the person is
himself a 'host' body for the spirit, is really immaterial anyway,
since spirits do NOT inhabit space, however Jesus' analogy
about the house with reference to our body, puts a little meat
on the table to chew on.
I think that one would have to have the gift of discerning of spirits,
and actually see into the spiritual realm, in order to verify that
a spirit is inside or outside of ones' body.
BTW: Guess who I am referring to? |
hombre (hombre)
Intermediate Member
Username: hombre
Post Number: 131
Registered: 8-2005
Posted From: 209.254.77.23
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Oh yeah, forgot to say:
Thanx for the Norvel Hayes joke,
We need to be there...where we do not let things get to us.
......where we can just take things in stride and move on.
...then again, if Fiver wasn't around,
who would we have as an example of error
with which to compare truth against?
...I mean, my mind ...thank God...is not convoluted in a way,
that would produce that sort of blindingly relentless
and unending circle of confusion.
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johiyom
Junior Member
Username: johiyom
Post Number: 50
Registered: 8-2007
Posted From: 75.185.69.124
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I've asked some JDS adherents these questions which they hold to:
Where does it say in the Bible that Satan stole keys from Jesus and Jesus took them back from the devil in Hell?
Where does it say in the Bible that Satan illegally took Jesus to Hell?
The answer is NOWHERE.
The Ransom Theory, where Satan has to be offered a ransom for the redemption of mankind, is flawed. Jesus did not suffer in hell, there was no war in hell, he did not have to be born again in hell.
Christ was God's own sacrifice for sin and offered to THE FATHER on behalf of sinners. On the Cross he said, It is finished, not, TO BE CONTINUED.
The keys of death and Hades(Rev.1:18) are no more literal keys than the keys of the kingdom Jesus gave to Peter and the church(Matt.16:19) He didn't hand Peter a literal set of keys out of a pocket in his robe.
They speak of power and authority.
The context of Rev. 1:18 is Jesus' death and physical bodily resurrection. Couple this with Hebrews 2.
In fact the Father laid the key(this power and authority)of the house of David upon Jesus' shoulder. Isaiah 22:22;Rev.3:7 Satan had nothing to do with it.
Jesus did not literally become sin-a sinner, sinful. He didn't have the sins of mankind, like tangible objects, in his body. To bear sin means to bear the penalty, to suffer the penalty, which is death and that death was physical for the purpose of the shedding of his blood.
JDS teachers like Kenyon say Jesus wasn't mortal and couldn't die until our sins were put on him. This is denying the Incarnation. If he couldn't die prior to the cross, why did his parents flee with him to Egypt when he was a child? Why did Satan tempt him to throw himself off the temple?
Why did his opposers seek to cast him off a brow of a hill during his initial sermon(Luke4)? Why did he walk no more in Jewry(John 7) for a time? Because he was a real mortal man of flesh and blood, but without sin. God, the Word, became flesh- a real humanity. This is the message of historical, Biblical Christianity. He didn't have to take on a sin nature in order to die, only our human nature. He did not take on a serpent/ Satan's nature in order to die. He was only lifted up as Moses lifted the serpent on a pole. This is blasphemous to adhere to JDS.
Another good book to read is: Was The Cross Enough or Did Jesus Die Twice by David Alsobrook. |
mark1124
Junior Member
Username: mark1124
Post Number: 36
Registered: 9-2005
Posted From: 70.22.220.159
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Thank God that the Lord led Hobart Freeman to expose this distructive heresy. Everybody else was a copycat and got on the bandwagon.
Praise God for someone who was willing to preach the truth. |
johiyom
Member
Username: johiyom
Post Number: 55
Registered: 8-2007
Posted From: 75.185.69.124
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Everybody else was a copycat and got on the bandwagon???
Oh really?
Barnes Notes on the New Testament, for example, was published in 1963 and his comments concerning II Cor. 5:21 refute JDS.
Albert Barnes said this, Albert Barnes said that. That's what Albert Barnes said.
Praise God for someone who was willing to preach the truth before Hobart ever published his book, Did Jesus Die Spiritually?
Stop glorying in men, stop glorying in Hobart Freeman(I Cor.3) This cult mentality, this party mentality is wrong. The I Cor.3 mentality of which Paul rebuked. I'm of Paul, I'm Apollos, I'm of Cephas....I'm of Hobart Freeman.
One plants, one waters, God gives the increase.
Glory in and follow Jesus Christ. Why can't people just simply do that?
Hobart isn't the standard by which to discern all Biblical truth.
"Well, let's see, what did Brother Freeman have to say about this before I can accept it, believe it and receive it."
Like he's the FDA seal of approval on all things doctrinally sound.
As I said in another post, Brother Freeman said this and Brother Freeman said that...that's what Brother Freeman says....I don't give a rat's ••• about what he said. Where he was right he was right, but where the man was wrong he was wrong and he was wrong about many things....in fact, DEAD WRONG.
The exclusive Hobart Freeman glasses need to be thrown away for the divine healing of the eyes of people's Christianity and discipleship. Everything didn't and doesn't have to be filtered through Hobart Freeman in order to believe or receive it as truth.
I think one of the debunked leaders of FA, Jack Farrel, was right...people are still in bondage to their old dead pastor.
I Cor. 13. People act like Hobart didn't see a dim reflection in a looking glass or mirror. Like he saw it ALL perfectly, clearly.
And yet grace and love were so lacking in that church and ministry. |
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