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mksugumaran
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Username: mksugumaran
Post Number: 390
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| | Posted on Sunday, March 12, 2006 - 12:18 am: | 
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Incorrect, Ofcourse TM is marketed in USA. But all them throw them away oneday like. It will start giving problems after some time. It is nothing but self hynotism. You can substitute with "A B C D ..." also with an humming order. That will also wotk out. But no use to know the truth.
mksugumaran |
mksugumaran
Intermediate Member
Username: mksugumaran
Post Number: 389
Registered: 2-2005
Posted From: 220.226.52.69
| | Posted on Sunday, March 12, 2006 - 12:15 am: |
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Incorrect, Ofcourse TM is marketed in USA. But all them throw them away oneday like. It will start giving problems after some time. It is nothing but self hynotism. You can substitute with "A B C D ..." also with an humming order. That will also wotk out. But no use to know the truth.
mksugumaran |
Anonymous
| | Posted on Wednesday, March 13, 2002 - 10:01 pm: |
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I believe that Sahaja Yoga is a cult and Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi is not who she portrays hereself to be. This group is dangerous as it splits families apart who do not want to be recruited. I hope that some day soon this cult will be exposed for the dangerous mind controlling group it is. I have a daughter who is involved and it is very hard to deal with. They have arranged marriages between Yogis and this woman (who says she is the reincarnation of Jesus) decides who marries who. God help us all. |
Anonymous
| | Posted on Saturday, March 30, 2002 - 8:09 am: |
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My personal experience with a hindu cult was devastating to me, I'm even surprised not to find similar complaints in the net about it.I'm talking about the infamous Ramakrishna ashrams all over the world.
They claim to be ecumenic, and their avatar (Ramakrishna) to be Jesus Christ's reincarnation and a bunch of other lies.
Fact is that a few months after they gave me a "blessing"and a mantra in 1993, I saw with my mind a dark cloud to enter my body and I got a terrible headache that bother's me, non stop for nine years.
I even used to see this Ramacrishna's face reflected in the mirror insted of my own, and the really bad news is that there seems to be no easy way out, so my advice is for you folks to not even touch the bs. |
Anonymous
| | Posted on Wednesday, April 03, 2002 - 10:13 pm: |
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Wednesday, 3 April, 2002, 11:46 GMT 12:46 UK
Human sacrifice was thought to have died out
By Rahul Karmakar
in Guwahati, north-eastern India
Followers of a Hindu cult in India's north-eastern state of Assam have revived the ancient practice of human sacrifice.
A willing human being is difficult to find these days
But in the absence of human volunteers, devotees at the Kamakhya Temple near the state capital Guwahati are using six-foot effigies made of flour for the rite. ^^^^
The cult followers had apparently wanted live humans to revive the gory tradition, but opted for an effigy instead fearing a backlash.
"A willing human being is difficult to find these days," said Dr Pradeep Sharmah, director of the Vivekananda Kendra Institute of Culture (VKIC). ^^^^^
"The sacrifice is made at midnight, on the day of Ashtami during the 10-day autumnal Durga Puja," said Dr Sharmah. ^^^^
The Kamakhya Temple attracts some 10,000 devotees per day, but certain aspects of the temple's ceremonies - including sacrifices - have been kept closely-guarded secrets. ^^^^
Research shows that human sacrifice at Kamakhya was first revived 75 years ago, but was discontinued a few years later.
A 1933 journal of the Assam Research Society says that living people were sacrificed until the reign of King Gaurinath Singha between 1780 and 1796.
Records of earlier periods at the Department of Historical and Antiquarian Studies indicate that the practice was widespread in Assam.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/world/south_asia/newsid_1908000/1908706.stm |
Anonymous
| | Posted on Thursday, August 22, 2002 - 1:03 pm: |
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Children buried for minute in southern India to please goddesses
Thu Aug 22,12:26 PM ET
By K.N.ARUN, Associated Press Writer
MADRAS, India - In a bizarre 400-year-old traditional ceremony aimed at pleasing two Hindu goddesses, villagers in southern India buried dozens of unconscious children in muddy holes for a minute before digging them up, witnesses and media reports said Thursday.
All the children lived. The ceremony is conducted every five to seven years depending on the position of the stars. It is aimed at pleasing the Hindu goddesses Muthukuzhi Mariamman and Kaliamman.
The ritual Wednesday in Perayur Village, about 550 kilometers (340 miles) south of Tamil Nadu's state capital, Madras, was first reported by The Indian Express newspaper and recorded on video that has since been broadcast by Indian and foreign television stations.
In the ceremony — that is called Kuzhimatru Thiruvizha, or festival of graves, in Tamil language — religious gurus smear ash on the foreheads of children before sprinkling water mixed with turmeric powder onto them. This made the children fall unconscious, witnesses said.
As crowds watched, dozens of workmen dug pits into which the children were placed and then covered in mud. A minute later they were dug out.
The ceremony was witnessed by Tamil Nadu's Minister for Housing C. Dorairaj. One of his relatives, who also witnessed the event, said 20 children were buried. The Indian Express said 105 children took part.
"None of the children seemed to have any problem after being exhumed," said the relative. "It is a matter of faith, like walking on fire or body piercing."
The newspaper quoted Dorairaj as defending his attendance at the ceremony.
"I witnessed the festival at the invitation of the community which organized it," he said. "I have nothing more to say on the issue."
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20020822/ap_wo_en_ge/india_ritual_burial_1 |
Anonymous
| | Posted on Saturday, December 07, 2002 - 5:23 pm: |
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MOTHER DENIES THAT RAPE CLAIM IS FALSE
BY COURT STAFF
16:30 - 07 December 2002
A mother who says she was raped by a Hindu guru has denied falsely accusing him after he refused her permission to leave her husband.
The alleged victim insisted she was "shocked and scared" when Gulabnath Balaknath forced himself on her in her Leicester home.
Balaknath is said to have attacked the woman while visiting England from India to pass on his religious teachings.
His visits are traditionally viewed as a great honour by the families he lodged with while here, Leicester Crown Court was told.
The 71-year-old is alleged to have raped the woman, who is in her 40s, during a trip to the city in May this year. He is also accused of indecently assaulting a 13-year-old girl while visiting a family in Milton Keynes in April last year.
Balaknath denies both charges and claims the woman made up the allegation against him after he gave her advice she did not like.
He says he threatened to tell her husband that she had asked him to excuse her from her vows so she could be with another man.
Under cross-examination, the woman denied the suggestion and insisted she had been raped while her husband and children slept nearby.
Testifying from behind a screen and through an interpreter, she said: "It did happened - he did rape me. I was shocked and scared."
The court has heard both alleged victims at first failed to report Balaknath, head of the Nath sect, because of his high standing.
When each heard about the other's ordeal they finally decided to report the alleged incidents to the police, the jury was told.
Recalling her daughter's ordeal, the mother of the 13-year-old alleged victim said Balaknath had touched the teenager "in a woman's secret places".
She added: "She asked him 'Can you do this, as a guru?' He replied 'I should not have done that.' She was shocked. She was crying."
The trial continues.
http://www.thisisleicestershire.co.uk/displayNode.jsp?nodeId=42629&command=displayContent&sourceNode=42628&contentPK=3187415 |
Anonymous
| | Posted on Sunday, March 09, 2003 - 1:46 pm: |
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Tamil Nadu is probing the ritual involving a priest stepping on devotees' backs while wearing sandals with nails
The Straits Times
Mar. 9, 2003
By V.k.raghunathan
NEW DELHI - Devotees, mostly women, in south India are allowing a priest, wearing thick wooden sandals embedded with nails, to walk over them in the belief that the ritual would cure them of their ailments or even bless the childless with a baby.
The annual ritual at the Poochiyur temple near the city of Coimbatore in the southern state of Tamil Nadu has been conducted for years without a complaint.
But this year, it sparked outrage among local media and prompted the State Human Rights Commission to call for an investigation.
The commission has since demanded an explanation from the temple administration and conducted a site inspection.
Television footage of the ritual last weekend showed a priest - holding on to his aides for support - making his way slowly across a row of devotees lying on their stomach.
Originally, only women submitted themselves to the ritual in the belief that it would help them conceive. Single women also took part in the hope of finding a life partner.
But soon, more people, including men, started taking part in the hope of a divine cure.
This ritual is conducted around the time of the Mahasivarathiri festival dedicated to Lord Siva, the Hindu god of destruction.
It is practised in many temples in the area around Coimbatore, a city known for its textile industries.
*** Mr Ossi Fernandes, director, Human Rights Advocacy and Research Foundation, told The Sunday Times: 'It is a great violation of human rights. Religion cannot be used to deprive people of their basic right to live in dignity as guaranteed by the Indian Constitution.'
Ms Bhuvaneshwari, state secretary of the All India Central Council of Trade Unions, said: 'These obscurantist practices are growing in Tamil Nadu along with communal fascism. This is dangerous.'
She told The Sunday Times that even if people are injured in the process, they think it is 'God's punishment for something they have done'.
*** A retired police official, however, said there was not much the law enforcement authorities could do in the absence of any complaint against the practice.
'It is a superstitious belief but not an offence. The police cannot take action if people consent to be part of the ritual.'
If the police were to take action against the practice, they could face the charge of denying people their 'constitutional right' to worship, he said.
But Mrs C. K. Gariyali, Social Welfare Secretary of the Tamil Nadu government, said law enforcement alone was not enough.
'These old traditions and customs can be changed slowly by creating an awareness among the people and educating them,' she told The Sunday Times.
Strange practices in Tamil Nadu
Other rituals and superstitious beliefs in Tamil Nadu include:
Children are buried alive for a while to appease gods in some villages near Madurai city as part of the Muthalamman festival.
During Mahasivarathiri, a Hindu religious festival, some people take part in the Mayana Vettai, or graveyard looting. They go on a midnight procession to the burial grounds to dig up human bones and chew on them.
In the Namakkal area in Tamil Nadu, women from villages used to strip and pray in the nude for rain.
Last year, villagers near Kovilpatti town organised a wedding for two donkeys to appease the rain gods.
http://straitstimes.asia1.com.sg/asia/story/0,4386,175990,00.html |
Anonymous
| | Posted on Monday, June 02, 2003 - 10:29 am: |
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Voyage Into Hindu Madness of Cannibalism
Monday June 02, 2003 (1613 PST)
TAMPA - Washed-out posters of missing Western tourists were everywhere in India, Mike Yon noticed during a trip last year.
The 39-year-old Winter Haven native and former Green Beret was gathering ideas for a book as he traveled through Asia. He found ripe material one day in front of a funeral pyre.
Yon watched an Indian holy man meditate before a burning corpse. It was his introduction to the Aghora sect of the Hindu religion.
Some members, he learned, practiced cannibalism to gain magical powers. Yon was hooked when he heard Aghoris speak of a member from Houston. Born Gary Stevenson, the man went by the Aghori name Kapal Nath.
India, Yon was not the first to notice, is a destination for seekers. But this was something else.
``Like the skeletal remains of the Vietnam War, all these Americans and Europeans who went there seeking enlightenment or running from the draft have gone off the deep end and never come back,'' Yon said. ``India's market is spirituality.''
On Sept. 5, 2002, while Yon stood on the shores of the Ganges River, upriver from Rishikesh, an Israeli tourist, Ori Yelinek, fell off an inner tube and drowned.
An Israeli team sent to recover the body finally pulled a Caucasian from the river, though it was not Yelinek. As the recovery team and Yon watched, an Aghori walked to the bloated body on the shore, placed a coin on the man's exposed liver, pulled off a piece of the corpse and ate it.
``It's a very open society,'' said Yigal Zur, 48, the Israeli who led the dive team. ``But to me, it was a surprise.''
Zur, who searches for missing persons throughout southwest Asia, said 10,000 Israelis visit India annually, many seeking brief adventures before mandatory military service. Some disappear.
Though Zur knew of the Aghora sect, it wasn't until he spoke to Yon that he began wondering if some of the missing became sacrifices for Aghoris.
``When you see them eat someone dead, yes, it's disturbing. But I don't see them as killers,'' Zur said.
Yon wondered, too. ``I heard rumors that European and American tourists were being taken,'' Yon said. ``It sounds ludicrous, but where it is in India, anything goes.''
Foreigners are viewed as powerful, Yon said.
``If you sacrifice a rich or powerful person, they have more Shakti,'' he said, referring to the creative energy Hindus believe flows from God. ``Children have more Shakti because they haven't lived long,''
::: Dark God
When he reached Nepal, he again heard of the American Aghori, Kapal Nath.
::: The sect uses whiskey to mimic the Aghora version of Shiva, the last from the divine trinity of Brahma, Vishnu and Shiva and the Hindu god of destruction and reproduction. The Aghoris also worshiped Kali, the destroyer, the dark god of Hinduism.
Yon decided to seek Nath to interview him for his proposed book.
After several months of searching, Yon found Nath, 52, in a restaurant in Varanasi, a sacred Hindu city. He told Nath, who lived near steps leading to the Ganges where corpses were thrown after a purification burning, that he was a writer interested in Aghoris.
Aghoris often live near ghats or cremation sites on the banks of the Ganges, where the bodies of Hindus have been burned for several thousand years.
::: Swathed in dreadlocks and branded with tattoos, Nath told Yon his story. Only three teeth remained in Nath's mouth, and his health was poor.
The American Aghori spoke of wishing to return home. But he feared the cultural reaction to him.
As he spoke, Nath drank from a human skull in the Aghori custom. He carried small drums made from baby skulls.
::: As they sat in the restaurant, Nath talked of how humans should be prepared.
``I like to take a fresh body, you know, maybe even an Israeli, cook 'em barbecue,'' Nath spoke into Yon's tape recorder.
Nath described his technique, using a ``big, big bucket of barbecue sauce, paintbrush, roller, you know.''
Crimes In The Homeland
Yon spent the next 11 days with Nath. Cannibalism, Yon said, was taken as a part of Indian culture.
``The amazing thing is they are doing it there in the open,'' Yon said. ``A policeman was burning the body of his neighbor and cracked open the skull to release the soul. The policeman gave Nath some of the brains to eat.''
::: ``He talked about barbecuing people, like emu Texas style, with a big bucket of barbecue sauce,'' Yon said.
``He said human meat has the same taste as pork.''
What Nath gets from eating human flesh is ``extraordinary energy,'' Yon said.
The Extreme Side Of Hinduism
The Aghora sect is far from traditional Hinduism, which values cleanliness and harmony, said Parimala Nathan, an adjunct lecturer on Eastern religions at the University of South Florida.
``It must be a totally extreme sect,'' Nathan said. ``The peace and nonviolence of Hinduism would be totally opposed to this.''
Aghori ascetics believe that by consuming human flesh, they can break the cycle of life and death and avoid reincarnation, according to a description by the British St. Martin's College Religion Department.
Aghoris typically live at cremation grounds, smear themselves with the ashes of corpses and eat from a cranial begging bowl, the top part of a human skull. Some Aghoris eat the flesh of corpses only rarely. They meditate by sitting on the corpses, believing they gain control over the corpse's spirit.
Within the caste system of India, traditionally only the lower castes handle the dead. Nathan said Aghora is a primitive form of spiritualism, closer to tribal religions.
``This is a deviant ritual that has nothing to do with mainstream Hinduism,'' Nathan said. ``Nonviolence is how you find freedom from the circle of birth and death. Eating human flesh is nowhere close to attaining that freedom.''
Historical records kept by the British indicate Aghoris have long been accused of practicing human sacrifice because sacrifice was a part of cults that worshiped Kali.
::: http://www.paktribune.com/news/index.php?id=27303 |
Anonymous
| | Posted on Friday, July 18, 2003 - 11:59 am: |
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Priest 'sacrifices' daughter
By Our Staff Correspondent
TUMKUR JULY 17 . A priest allegedly murdered his daughter to appease his goddess at Madlehalli in Tiptur taluk of Tumkur district recently.
Narayanappa, a priest at the Chowdeshwari Temple at Dasarighatta, took his daughter, Ambika (12), to Tiptur on the last new moon day (June 29) on the pretext of buying her textbooks.But the next day, he returned home without her.His wife, Gowramma, who suspected foul play, lodged a police complaint about the missing girl after a week.
Police found the body of Ambika at Galibande hillock about one km away from Madlehalli on Wednesday. Her head was tonsured.There were signs of sacrificial rites at the spot. Her plaited hair was also found at a distance.
The Deputy Superintendent of Police, L. Shivashankar, visited the spot. The priest is reported to be absconding.
http://hinduonnet.com/stories/2003071802501300.htm |
Anonymous
| | Posted on Monday, August 04, 2003 - 11:34 am: |
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Villagers mob slays killer tantrik near Indian capital
New Delhi, August 4, IRNA -- A gory tale of human sacrifice leading to the murder of a tantrik (Hindu black magician) who performed the macabre act was enacted close to Indian capital over the weekend. This morbid chain of events came to light when a violent mob delivered its version of instant justice to a tantrik at village Nan under Hafizpur police station of this district, leading to his death at dawn on Sunday, local press reported here on Monday.
The series of unholy happenings began on Saturday when Ravinder, the deaf 10-year-old son of Ved Prakash Sharma, did not return home till 9 p.m. An announcement was made in the village about the disappearance and the village and its surroundings were searched by the villagers.
Helping the villagers in this activity till midnight was a tantrik, Tara Chand (30). This tantrik had been living in Nan for the last three years, having migrated from Ismailpur village of Bulandshahr.
... The tantrik confessed he had sacrificed the boy and agreed to help recover the body. He said that the sacrifice was offered the next day, in a sugarcane field.
The boy, who was deaf, did not understand the trick being played on him and accompanied the tantrik to the sugarcane field. Once there, the tantrik kept the boy alive through a four-hour ceremony aimed at appeasing Shani Dev, which finally climaxed in the sacrifice of the boy at about 9 p.m.
Following his confession, the tantrik then took a group of villagers to the spot where he had sacrificed the boy. The remnants of the ceremony performed by the tantrik had been washed away by heavy overnight rain, but the body was there.
The villagers could not restrain their wrath on seeing the body and turned on the tantrik. He tried to escape but could not and soon succumbed to the frightful beating that followed.
The villagers then informed the police, which took both bodies into possession and sent them for post-mortem. SSP Chander Prakash said Tara Chand was a known tantrik and killed the child at the instigation of a woman. Two cases of murder were registered, one gainst both parties. Since the tantrik is dead, that case would be wrapped up but the villagers who lynched the tantrik will now face a murder charge.
http://www.irna.ir/en/head/030804154731.ehe.shtml |
Anonymous
| | Posted on Monday, August 11, 2003 - 6:37 am: |
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There are a lot more information on the Mata Mayi cult at
http://www.geocities.com/fake_avatar
Also see
http://www.iheu.org/kerala.htm where the local Govt and police are trying to harrass a rationalist for writing a book exposing the fraud.. |
Anonymous
| | Posted on Friday, December 12, 2003 - 10:51 am: |
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Indian woman batters toddler to death in sacrifice to reform husband
Fri Dec 12, 1:10 AM ET
NEW DELHI (AFP) - A two-year-old boy was battered to death in a cowshed in New Delhi by a woman who had been told by a Hindu mystic that if she sacrificed a child her abusive husband would reform, a report said.
The daily Times of India Friday said the woman, named only as Santosh, had taken the boy to the shed where she battered his head with a spade before strangling him. His body was found in a pool of blood in the cowshed in Nangloi, west Delhi, on Saturday night.
The boy, Rahul, had been visiting his uncle in Nangloi when he disappeared. He had been on his way to the local shops with his sister Uma to buy sweets, police officer Satish Golcha said.
"Finally his uncle found the boy's body in a cowshed behind his neighbour's house. There were injury marks to the head and his body was lying in a pool of blood," Golcha said.
The officer said Santosh, who was visiting her brother in Nangloi, had confessed to the murder.
She told police she was married to an autorickshaw driver named Vinod who got drunk and beat her up every day. In desperation she said she had gone to a tantrik who had told her that her husband would reform if she killed a child.
Santosh's nephew, who allegedly helped in the murder and hid the blood-stained spade, is being questioned by police, who are also searching for the tantrik.
A child sacrifice case was also reported to police in the eastern tribal state of Jharkand, where an eight-year-old boy was apparently killed by a group of men to appease Hindu gods.
Police said Thursday that at least one person had died in protest over the killing in Burkunda district.
Local police had on Wednesday arrested four people including a Hindu priest on charges of murdering the boy, named Munna, who had been missing since December 5.
The following day a mob torched the priest's house and tried to burn down the police station where the accused were being held.
The arrested men have confessed to sacrificing the boy in a ritual to appease Hindu gods, police said.
Human sacrifices are not uncommon in the deeply poor tribal state. |
Anonymous
| | Posted on Monday, February 16, 2004 - 2:17 pm: |
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Boy sacrificed at brick kiln
Patna, Feb. 14: A five-year-old boy was kidnapped and sacrificed at a brick kiln at Dhuranbigaha village in Bihar’s Aurangabad district.
Vikas Kumar, the son of a labourer, was allegedly thrown into a fire after his eyes were pierced, tongue and ears cut off and throat slit.
Two kiln workers, one of them a tantrik, had gone around the village saying they were looking for a healthy male goat to sacrifice to keep the kiln fire burning.
Vikas was found to be missing on February 5 and was probably killed on the evening of February 9. His body was recovered from under a haystack by villagers two days later.
http://www.telegraphindia.com/1040215/asp/frontpage/story_2898103.asp |
skeptic (216.46.66.114)
| | Posted on Saturday, May 01, 2004 - 9:16 pm: |
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How does sahja yoga recruit members? How can one attend meetings and get more information?
Any ex-members out there willing to talk about their experiences? |
Anonymous (202.62.120.72)
| | Posted on Saturday, July 10, 2004 - 11:03 pm: |
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i also want to know about SAHAJ YOGA.....they say its a self realiazation process plus lot of things attached to it.
My suggestion is ifyou are not sure about anything then simply stay out of trouble and just pray as you always do in your temple/church/mosque and be happy. sometimes search for something unusual lands you in an unusual state ofmind which noone will have control over. |
Anonymous (208.203.91.7)
| | Posted on Wednesday, July 21, 2004 - 5:26 pm: |
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Sahaja Yoga is absolutely a cult. I had first-hand experience (10 years of it) inside. I've been out for many years now. I suggest you avoid it entirely. It will mess you up in ways you cannot even imagine.
The recruiting process is very subtle. You'll think you're learning about meditation and a little bit of yoga philosophy and various religious beliefs (mostly Hindu) thrown into the mix. You won't be told right away that it's a cult that worships its leader, Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi, as God (whom she claims to be).
Check the following links for more information:
http://www.sahaja-yoga.org/
http://sahajacult.com/
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/talk-about-sahaja-yoga/ |
Anon (82.141.64.248)
| | Posted on Tuesday, September 21, 2004 - 2:05 pm: |
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I have also been for 5 years "in Sahaja Yoga", which means that for 5 years I have been meditating.
You know, when Jesus Christ said that he is The Son of God, people kind of reacted to it in a similar manner (though there have been many many after him). Wonder what saying like that might mean.
Had you ever considered that God actually means unity, oneness or everything, so if someone is saying "I'm the son of god" or "I'm actually the god", could it mean that he/she means that he/she feels the bliss when one has gone through the Individualization Process (c.g.jung). There was an old poet in India, when he had his experience of oneness (god) he exclaimed that "I am Shiva! I am Shiva!", just because he felt total unity of his being. The chemicals in his brains were dancing because of 'right behaviour', years of medatation, high moral life and such.
Also some of those links to against-sahaja-yoga sites are held by a man, who actually claimed to be an incarnation of Vishnu in the 80's, when he was in sahaja yoga. He was after some really crazy events told to leave sahaja yoga, which he did and turned his coat. So actually you'll find quite a lot more brain washing and madness on those sites than in sahaja yoga. For SY is based on being more conscious and intelligent and not to get programmed by ANYTHING.
I've seen some people who try to get messed up with sahaja yoga and usually those messheads stop meditating and leave. For me this is a fine tool to be in very nice harmony and balance. And btw I have not been recruited, I feel this technique work and thus use it.
Here is an official response
http://www.sahajayogafacts.org/default.asp
but I feel its kinda basic though.
and the allegators just go on and on...
Have a nice day ;) |
no_hay_certeza (no_hay_certeza)
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| | Posted on Friday, November 26, 2004 - 9:27 am: |
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Sahaja Yoga is a very dangerous cult.
Believe me.
I have a lot of information on this sect. For Spanish speaking victims and for those who have loved ones in the cult, come and share your troubles, in Spanish, in:
http://ar.groups.yahoo.com/group/estasenunasecta/
Remember your loved one is always ther, behind the new identity he/she's got through thought reform. Speak to your loved one, don't attack the perverted lady who conducts the cult, don't let sy fool you: if you show your anger towards your loved one, they'll make THE goal, by showing the victim how mistreating his/her family is. They'll brake you appart.
Come and join us!
If you speak English, of course Talk about Sahaja Yoga is the best place to find what the cult really is.
Good luck! |
overseas (overseas)
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| | Posted on Tuesday, December 14, 2004 - 6:57 am: |
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Don't mess with any type of YOGA. AT least YOGA is one of the straight cults that do not desguise themselves as Christianity (though some attempts are made to twist Bible this way). If people choose YOGA and reject Christianity it is destructive but they are consistent; but I do not understand why some Christians accept YOGA, which contradicts the very basics of the Bible.
Do not start any form of YOGA, for any reason, not even soft exercises (breathing, relaxing etc.), it will take you to occult later. Scientific studies showed that people get the health benefits of YOGA from a lot of non-occult activities like: favourite music, sports, visiting nature and so on. What you cannot find elsewhere than in YOGA is the altered state of mind + hallucinations. Sorry, medicine proved that YOGA exercises that supress oxygen feeding to brain are similar to using drugs and lead to some hallucinations. YOGA exercises have one single goal: destroy your rational thinking and prepare you to be possessed by evil spirits that in return for accepting them give you some supernatural powers and sensations (have you heard of YOGA people that can stay burried for days ?). It is pure witchcraft in other form. One of the main YOGA sayings is: 'leave your shoes and MIND out of the ashram'. They bypass your mind because they have no rational logical message and touch directly your emotions/ feelings by mystical extasy so you accept their practices. Next thing is you are visited by so called 'spiritual' guides from other world and experience non-rational hapiness that you cannot explain. If you analyse the environment from which YOGA comes, you will find polyteism with awful gods and goddesses (have you seen their gods covered in snakes and having 10 hands and so on ?). They catch people not with arguments of truth but with experiences and malefic influence of gurus.
Look for a 1st hand account of an Indian Guru that quit YOGA, book is calles 'Death of a Guru'. |
lightseeker (lightseeker)
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| | Posted on Friday, January 21, 2005 - 7:59 am: |
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Just an opinion. For those who believe the
existence of God, just remind yourself that we are all the children of God. We should not be afraid or worried about whether a kind of yoga can effect you, coz soon or later His Words will reveal the truth. And if there is a path which will lead you to the truth (whether it is a yoga or not), shall it be the path to the truth. But whoever has seen the truth but try to deny it, everything will up to you, coz it's your own freedom which nobody can lead you to the truth, not even God since His love will always let you to have your own freedom. |
scribe (scribe)
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| | Posted on Tuesday, February 15, 2005 - 10:33 am: |
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does christianity just make people stupid naturally, or do you have to work at it? |
overseas (overseas)
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depends who's asking; as for you, I have a hunch you cannot distinguish between the two categories
as for christianity, yes, there is a kind of perverted christianity on a par with unfounded hypocritical type of atheism that appeals to stupid people and also drive them more stupid |
mksugumaran (mksugumaran)
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The real Hindu sect or cult can not go out of India. You can see a lot of poor people in India. But they live happy life without any hurry or angry. You can not expect the same from outside India. The Hindu cult leaders if you happened to see outside India, Do not speak, follow or see them. They are really business people making business out of spirituality. I have seen so many foriegners after the Hindu cult leaders who had /no Value in India. In that matter forigners are not in a position to evaluate the Hindu Cult Leaders. If really they are skillful they should improve their own people in their own country. If happened to see the background of any Hindu cult leaders, that will be very the worst in The world. Now for example see the muder case against the Great Shankaracharya of Kachipuram who is in Jail now. So please do not follow Hindu spritual leaders. If you want to see them please come to India and go to some remote villages and move with the people of poor village. You will understand that are not living out of food and instead they are living out of spritual strength they have. Really they are the Masters. In the Past 5000 years History you can not see such Masters outside the India. That is Real Hindu sect. They may belong to any religion, in India they live the life of an Hindu sect only. Yours, mksugumaran |
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I believe that there is what serves you and what doesn't in everything. I recommend that people study all forms of religion and spirituality. You do not need to go anywhere, or to anyone to do this. You can find lots of answers in books, but the best answer is in you. Only you can know what feels right for you. It is only by your experience that you will know what is right for you. I was born very spiritual, having many experiences when I was young. I left organized religion when I was 13. I all ways felt that God was in everything and everyone. I started researching different religions, Christian, Morman, Jehova Witness, different types of Buddism, and the path I'm currently on Siddha Yoga which has a Hindu back ground. I personally get turned off as soon as I hear from one belief system or another, that "this is the only way." "this is the best way." "If you choose another way it is a sin" Siddha Yoga is the only spiritual practice I have found that that has never done that. There has never been any recruiting, everything is completely voluntary. Every thing is energy, including our thoughts which lead to our beliefs. Is was you are believing serving you? Is it serving humanity as a whole? Or is it causing divisions and war? The books Conversations with God were very useful to me. Also watch the movie "What the Bleep Do we Know? Its about quantam physics. Remember what you think about you bring about, or as my friend says thoughts are things so pick the good ones. |
mksugumaran (mksugumaran)
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You can see my website "http://www.cadmax.co.in/god.htm" and send your comments.
yours,
mksugumaran |
overseas (overseas)
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Posted From: 164.143.244.33
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Are you kidding yourself ? Listen to you:
Quote: I personally get turned off as soon as I hear from one belief system or another, that "this is the only way
then you say:
Quote: Siddha Yoga is the only spiritual practice I have found that that has never done that.
You need Jesus Christ to de-brainwash your thinking. |
mksugumaran (mksugumaran)
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Posted From: 210.212.245.147
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Dear Overseas, Everyone is free to follow their own path of interest. "You need Jesus Christ to de-brainwash your thinking". Do you think you have Jesus christ at your pockets or he is a slave to you to do whatever you desire. Jesus Christ knows well what to do? Don't think He is at your door steps for doing what you wish?
Yours,
mksugumaran |
overseas (overseas)
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Mk, address the contradiction at stake (i.e. CAD rejecting doctrines that claim exclusivity then praising yoga for its exclusive status) if you think you can. Just in case you were able to see the contradiction, which may not be the case (I know how hindu/ oriental cultic thinking affects brain).
Looks like you are turned on by the name of Jesus. You have no problems with people claiming exclusivity of yoga, you only attack people claiming exclusivity of Jesus. |
mksugumaran (mksugumaran)
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Overseas, No I never attack anybody who act independently according to their wish."You need Jesus Christ to de-brainwash your thinking" has made me to post the above posting against you. Please do not use such quote's. It is like degrading Jesus. I feel so.
mksugumaran |
overseas (overseas)
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It's what He did with me (de-brainwash).
Are you really concerned to honour the Name of Jesus Christ that claimed He is the only way to God the Father ? I would welcome that. |
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I have a feeling my opinion would not be well liked on this board. |
mksugumaran (mksugumaran)
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Dear Overseas, I am not concerned with anything. If you think Jesus is the only way to God the Father. It is your way and your belief and your experience. Like that every one has freedom to follow any way accoding to their own wish and if they feel that is the best way they will say something appreciative to their path. Your way is execellent for you and same is applied to everybody. If you have been de-brainwashed by Jesus , it is O.K. But you can not expect Jesus to de-brainwash everybody as you need it. Jesus is not running any cult activities to brainwash or de-brainwash anybody. It is only the people who uses His name for showing their ego of having Jesus for them only. But He knows that He is for every good ones.Yours, mksugumaran
Dear turtle, You can post anything whether it is liked or disliked by anybody. It is your freedom.
Yours, mksugumaran
I will also post my views on GOD as see "http://www.cadmax.co.in/god.htm".
Yours,
mksugumaran |
overseas (overseas)
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Mk, I know what your problem is. You decree that beliefs are originated and held by people arbitrarily; you state that I 'think' Jesus is the only way, that this is 'my' way and this may be OK 'for me'. This way you feel free to patronise people and still keep to whatever you like to believe.
Well I have (good) news for you: it's not me but Jesus who decreed He is the only way to God the Father. And this apply to all people.
And you are wrong about Jesus running His church. His church was, may and will be considered a cult many times. You seem to know well what Jesus likes to do or not. Does this knowledge come from the Bible or it is just guessing ?
LAst thing. You finally convinced me not to use Jesus name for selfish reasons. That is why I now stop recruting for my cult :-) Instead, I am pleading you to study the New Testament for what Jesus said 2000 years ago and was passed onto us. |
mksugumaran (mksugumaran)
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Dear overseas, I studied "The Holy Bible" containing both Old and New testaments. I also compared the Bilble printed in 1960's with 1990's in English version. The old testament is same but there is some changes in New testament. I hope that people are changing New Testament.
Also if Jesus said He is the only way, it is understood by me that the path of Jesus is the only way and I can not understand that Jesus is the only way. I don't find anyway in the name of Jesus. I find one way in the path of Jesus in the path of Bible. yours,
mksugumaran |
overseas (overseas)
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Yeap I had this feeling you understood it that way. Well I am glad you make the difference between what Jesus said and what you accept to understand. For you Jesus is a model that should be followed. For christians He is the One that lives in them. Cause no one can completely follow His model. You may talk about Jesus concept, but that is not the real Jesus. Real Jesus is alive and omnipresent.
Regarding the Name of Jesus, New Testament is full of prayers, blessings and teachings in His Name. |
mksugumaran (mksugumaran)
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I know and feel the presence of Jesus even now. He is not dead. Nobody can follow His Model and I accept that also.
Yours,
mksugumaran |
turtle (turtle)
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Posted From: 216.24.102.18
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mksugumaran,
I dont' think anyone can live up to Christ standards but that is the purpose of him dying for us and having victory over death. Jesus wants us to follow him even though he knows we will stumble and fall. It is his job to pick us up. And he does if we just follow him. |
mksugumaran (mksugumaran)
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Posted From: 210.212.245.147
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I am also accepting your views turtle. |
turtle (turtle)
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Posted From: 216.24.102.44
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Mksugumaran, If you accept my views do you agree with them? In other words do you believe Jesus message and what he did.
(Message edited by turtle on July 30, 2005) |
mksugumaran (mksugumaran)
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Posted From: 210.212.245.147
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Dear turtle, I accept that nobody can live upto Christ Standards. I don't accept He is dying for us, but I accept that He is living for us. Definitly He has done victory over His Death. Whether Jesus wants us or not, it is not a problem, It is better to follow His path to come up with victory over death. I cannot confirm that He will pick us up when we stumble or fall. This is my view in detail for your posting.
yours,
mksugumaran |
turtle (turtle)
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Posted From: 216.24.102.59
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That is what I thought you probably meant. Are you not Hindu accepting of all religions not like christians only excepting one faith in one God in three person Father, Sona nd Holy Spirit. |
mksugumaran (mksugumaran)
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Dear turtle, I am a Hindu by birth but now I see god in every thing as I see "http://www.cadmax.co.in/god.htm"
yours,
mksugumaran |
turtle (turtle)
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Posted From: 216.24.102.51
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Understand, what you believe but I have a feeling you understand I would not agree with all on that webpage. I do not know why I came here except your statement bother me. I knew what you ideology was when I came to this page. YOur very kind to respond. Hope you realize I believe Jesus is truth and that He is God. He died for us and rose again on the third day. I believe He is my atonement for my sins. That has a christian I am no longer separated from the Creator of all things but have been reunited by faith in his promise of the Messiah Jesus. Not just belief but repentance is necessary for salvation. May God bless you Mksugumaran. |
mksugumaran (mksugumaran)
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Posted From: 210.212.245.147
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Thank you turtle, I understand your faith in God. I hope you will succeed in your faith also. But the "idealogy" posted by me in my web page, is not my belief and it is my experience of God. Please don't get confused with my "idealogy/experience". I hope definitely Jesus will lead you to the Truth/Salvation. Your experience of Jesus may happen to you and you will know a lot.
Yours,
mksugumaran |
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the dark clouds you see over your head and the image of ramakrishna in the mirror has nothing to do with anyone else, but yourself. Think about, no one has power over you, but yourself. |
mksugumaran (mksugumaran)
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Posted From: 220.226.38.118
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Dear sunsetmystic, I accept your view. It applies to every thing. When you see every thing as I am, then nothing is other than me. It is the great experience called "Esathuvam" by means "feeling god in everything and self also". Ofcourse it is said as 8th "siddhi" of "Ashtasiddhis".
yours,
mksugumaran |
belong2jesus (belong2jesus)
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Dear Sugumaran,
I come from a hindu background as well. One thing I can assure you, if you are a sincere seeker of God, you will find Him.
Majority of the Hindu people lately have your kind of belief. There is much religion in the world today than ever before. But no religion can reach God. Religion is a vain attempt of man to reach God: whether it be the Christian religion, Hindu religion, Muslim religion or whatever. True Christianity is Christ Himself.
The Hindu religion doesn't have specific doctrines: you can believe whatever you want, you just have to remain in the religion. The hindu sects teach 'self' as 'divine'. Infact if you read the hindu literature self, the 's' in self is capitalized: "Self". I have read books by Sathya Sai Baba, Amirthanantha Mayi, Sri Sri Ravi Sankar(The Joy Guru) etc. They all speak of self as God, seeing God in all things and so forth. But all these beliefs just project self, God is left out. Self isn't divine and never will be. Self is human. God is divine. I have experienced peace and joy while practicing Yoga(temporary) and have experienced astral travelling in my hindu faith. I felt I was something, and as though some power and energy was within. However, when I came to Jesus, my whole system was flushed by love, peace and joy, not temporary, but eternal.
I had a miraculous encounter with Jesus, whom previously I thought was "A" way to heaven, but I can assure He is THE way to heaven, and the ONLY.
I despised the Christian faith before this. I wanted Hinduism on the top. I would go to the temple daily twice and would do all the rituals and with energy throbbing within I would come back home. I believed I was something, but when I met Jesus, I realized I was a lost sinner in need of Him.
Every one born of a woman is born in pits and graves of sin. There is none righteous, not even one. All our righteous acts and good deeds are but filthy rags before Him. He doesn't want our money or our poojas or our prayers, He wants us. He loves us with a deep love, agape love. So much love that He paid the price for our sins. All we have to do is appropriate it by faith.
In His truth,
Sidharth |
belong2jesus (belong2jesus)
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Everything supernatural is not God. Satan counterfeits everything of God, and that's the reason so many are confused and deceived. The bible speaks of men performing "lying" wonders through Satan, and that's exactly what's happening in various parts of the world. People go seeking those who have some secret mysterious power. One such person is Sathya Sai Baba, who is no "Sathya" at all, but a liar. He has the power to materialize things: I don't know whether it's true or not. The Lord told me this man had a horde of demons in him. So many demons that his eyes are glassy. Later I heard a person who saw Sai Baba, tell me his eyes had a strong sparkle in it.
Astrologers for instance can foretell and speak of your past to a certain extent. Ofcourse, I know there are fake astrologers, but there are real astrologers and fortune-tellers. These get their inspiration from real spiritual beings called demons. Demons are governed by Satan. There are demons for different purposes. And the kingdom of Satan is highly organized. Satan has some foreknowledge, but only God is all-knowing.
The difference between the joy, love, and peace in Christ and that which one receives through other sources is like the difference between a real flower and an artificial flower.
Satan is highly deceptive and cunning. No human mind can defeat him. His deceit is undercover.
Check out this site, if you will: http://www.leaderu.com/wri/pages/maharaj.html
Sidharth |
mksugumaran (mksugumaran)
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Posted From: 220.226.33.119
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Dear belong2Jesus,
I saw your posting and saw the link you posted also. You told you are brought up in the Hindu background and then become a lover of Christ. From the link , I can understand onething those who allow others to kneel before them, will have to kneel before somebody oneday. Those who are more active in any religion will come to understand oneday that all their beliefs are waste oneday. That has happened in the life of a person RabiMaharaj. Anyway Jesus guides you in a better way you like, I am also happy. But the very same Jesus guides me in my path. I also have very good pease and joy in my life.As I told in my previous postings I born in Hindu family , but I am against all rituals in Hindu. So I live according to my life. I came across certain experiences by nature and that is what I posted in "http://www.cadmax.co.in/god.htm" and it is my experience of God in Brief. You told that most of Hindus came to such type of thought at some time. I don;t know anything about other Hindus. But I know onething the Hindus are Selfish by nature of their worship itself. You can see there will be very long ques in Hindu temples and every individual pray individually before a deity asking for their self needs. That kind of worship I never like and I hate that also. But most of the Hindus are following the same method of worship. Regarding Sathya Sai Baba, Amritananada Mayi, Ravi shankar and others, I hate them. They are not treating others as human beings. They think that they are all Avatars of Gods and all others are their slaves or animals. They allow others to fall in their feet, which shows their act of disrespect to the human beings. So I hate them. But I have some good friends of spritual people in India who hate those activities. Anyway thank you for sharing with me.
yours,
mksugumaran |
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Posted From: 210.212.241.130
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Dear Sugumaran,
God's calling is not to move from one religion to another or one philosophy to another. God is calling mankind on an individual basis to come out of all religion, out of all philosophy to Him.
Jesus doesn't change with different people.The bible says, Jesus Christ is the same yesterday, today and forever. Unless and until you want to make a Jesus of your own.
There is only one real Jesus, whose name means Savior. He came to save man-kind from the pit of sin, and broke the horrible barrier that stood between man and God.
"Those who are more active in any religion will come to understand oneday that all their beliefs are waste oneday."- Sugumaran
This is true. You are speaking about religion, but I'm speaking about reality. It is not what one person believes that matters, it's what God has to say about Himself that matters. God has the final say, not man's theories and preconceived notions about God. The God of the bible is a God of truth.
Strictly speaking, God's Word cannot be interpreted privately as you have done in your web site. The Author of the Bible is God Himself, and He is the teacher. The time I came from my hindu faith, I had some preconceived notions and false beliefs, but what the Lord told me was something like this: "Sidhu, when you come to Me, you have to bury your ideas, because I Am the Teacher."
As I read through your site, I didn't come across any of your experiences, but what I came across was a set of beliefs that you hold onto. What I call an experience is reality, not just some kind of belief.
Jesus leads people only by His words, and He doesn't have a double standard as you claimed. You need to check who really is leading you.
It is true that man doesnot cease to exist when he dies on earth. Man's soul is eternal, the body is just a cabin in which the soul of man resides. Eternity is not endless time. Eternity is outside the realm of time. Time in itself is God's creation. When a person dies here on earth, his soul goes to eternal heaven and eternal hell depending on a simple choice he made on earth. There is no second chance after a person dies to reconcile to God. There is no such thing as reincarnation. This is a lie of the devil.
Rejecting God's only sacrifice for sin will push you away to an eternity without an ounce of God: eternal living death.
Sun and other stars are part of the creation, and can't provide life. God and God alone is the life giver.
A person who says he has some secret knowledge from God that no one else has is not of God. God never serves secrets to anyone. He has made Himself known clearly in His Word. God is no respector of any person.
What you lack in your site is the very basis of the Christian faith: an intimate relationship with God. And for that you don't have to become a sage, you just have to accept the truth that Jesus died for your sins on a personal basis, and the bible says you will be justified in the eyes of God. The kind of relationship between man and God is portrayed and is like a Father-son relationship. No matter how convincingly you speak, God doesnot acknowledge a person who has not accepted the fact that he(the person) is a sinner and in need of salvation, not by anything the person did, but by God's sovereign grace and mercy.
In His abounding love,
Sidharth |
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Hi Sugumaran,
"Jesus Christ saith: I am the way, the truth, and the life; no man comes to the Father but by me". John 14:6
The Holy Bible presents death as a disaster that was brought in as an enemy to mankind. It is a judgment from God that was pronounced on Adam and Eve and consequently passed down to all mankind. We all die because we are sinners in a fallen state. The Bible further tells us that resurrection is what conquers physical death. The resurrection of Jesus Christ is evidence that the penalty of sin has been paid. Christ is our beloved Lord and Savior who rose in His resurrection body and now sitteth at the right hand of God.
Reincarnation is not compatable with the Bible. If we live a thousand lifetimes and the resurrection day comes, which body do I rise in since I can only get one body of the thousand and 999 are left in the ground and death is not conquered. Reincarnation does not defeat death, it only promotes it. Jesus' resurrection disproves reincarnation.
And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the Judgment. Hebrews 9:27
So Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many; and unto them that look for him shall he appear the second time without sin unto salvation. Hebrews 9:28
Each of us live once and face the judgment. There are no second chances to come back.
For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done , whether it be good or bad. 2Corinth.5:10
Sugumaran, I pray that you will know the Lord God our Beloved Jesus Christ, Savior, and come to Him with a kind and gentle heart.
God is love
Angel from the sun |
belong2jesus (belong2jesus)
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Dear Sugumaran,
I just didn't become a lover of Christ like that. I had a remarkable experience that changed my life. I had an enounter with Jesus. I had no knowledge of the Lord. I did not love Him first, but He loved me first and gave Himself up for my sins. There is no greater love than that. He gave up His life just for my sins and for the sins of the entire world.
Because of His undying love,
Sidharth |
angel_from_the_sun (angel_from_the_sun)
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Posted From: 4.242.69.137
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Dear Sidharth,
Your posts touch me deeply with your great love, testimony, and faithfullness for Jesus Christ.
Please share your above mentioned encounter with Jesus.
God is love
Angel from the sun |
belong2jesus (belong2jesus)
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Posted From: 210.212.241.130
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Dear Angel,
If you would give me your e-mail ID, I could send you my testimony. I don't put up my encounter with the Lord on discussion boards, because of many reasons. You could mail me at sidharth.mohandas@gmail.com.
Sidharth
Yours in His grace,
Sidharth |
mksugumaran (mksugumaran)
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Posted From: 220.226.10.122
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Dear Sidharth,
My posting may look like a belief for you. It is true and it is a belief for you since you have not experienced it and You have simply read what I posted. Similarly if you simply read Bible without experiencing Jesus or truth is also a belief only. I hope you have experienced Jesus and that is OK.
Yours,
mksugumaran |
belong2jesus (belong2jesus)
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Posted From: 210.212.241.130
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Dear Sugumaran,
What kind of experience are you talking about? I was a victim of Sarcoma or muscle cancer and in my desperation I cried out, "Whoever is the true God I want to know You?". Couple of weeks later, I had a vision of Christ in my room and from Him love was flowing like a river. He said, "I Am Jesus. I Am the way, the truth and the life.". In the vision, He had loving blue eyes, and His skin was as white as snow. His hands were pierced but there was no blood, but light radiating every where, my skin could feel the heavenly light and His holy presence. He was a stranger to me, but He looked at me with full of love, as though He knew me for many many years.
Later I realized I was healed of cancer and the doctors couldn't find any cancerous cells in my body.
It is this experience that turned me to the living Christ. However, as years passed, I fell in love with this wonderful Person. He is the heart of mine heart, without Him there is no meaning to life
Jesus Christ is not A way to heaven, but THE way. |
angel_from_the_sun (angel_from_the_sun)
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Posted From: 4.242.69.80
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Dear Sidharth,
Thank you for your heartfelt and joyful encounter with Jesus Christ. I am so happy to hear that He healed you and that you are now cancer free. Your heart is truly merged with Jesus' sacred heart.
I sent an email to you giving you my email address, and pray that you will respond to same.
God is love
Angel from the sun |
mksugumaran (mksugumaran)
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Username: mksugumaran
Post Number: 158
Registered: 2-2005
Posted From: 220.226.39.140
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Dear Siddharth, Thank you for sharing with me your nice experience with Jesus.
Yours,
mksugumaran |
inkorrekt (inkorrekt)
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Post Number: 115
Registered: 1-2006
Posted From: 67.190.2.228
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ANONYMOUS: Fact is that a few months after they gave me a "blessing"and a mantra in 1993, I saw with my mind a dark cloud to enter my body and I got a terrible headache that bother's me, non stop for nine years. I even used to see this Ramacrishna's face reflected in the mirror insted of my own, and the really bad news is that there seems to be no easy way out, so my advice is for you folks to not even touch the bs."
I had been through this myself. I was finally delivered at the Hegewisch Baptist Church in Hammond, Indiana where they prayed for me for 40 hours. Legions of demons came out of me. I was set free. (HBCDELIVERS.ORG) I strongly suggest you to attend their deliverance workshops conducted 3 times/ year. |
mksugumaran (mksugumaran)
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Post Number: 320
Registered: 2-2005
Posted From: 220.226.10.156
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Dear IncorrecKt, I know you are trained by Culy called TM. They only give matras and get promise not to leak out. But they also insist you not to leakout headache also. You may call it as Hindu sect. But you can not see a single person in India in that Cult, Except Maharishi and some of his close friends. He can not develop a Cult in India. Because in India if somebody says some mantra is secret. That fellow will tell that I have seen it in that old Indian film. It is not a secret. So he will say all the sacrets to his friends. Only very few people who are really depressed in nature won't share out of fear. Afterwards they will get headaches and go to Psychiatric treatment. It is happening in India also. But those people have really anormous desciples in forign countries like US and Europe. So they established a cult like TM and amany other groups in other countries. In India the real cult means which prevails on some festivals followed by some sect of village people only. They won't bother others. They celebrate that festival once in a year. Ofcourse they will give sacrifices to god some living beings like Goat, Sheep, Hens etc. Ofcourse they will all divide the flush of the goat sacrificed to God in that festival by sharing to every one. That is all. They don't do any mantras or other things. Ofcouse they all hardworking people in the rest of the days mostly farmers, who manufacture food for the great populated country, India.
yours,
mksugumaran |
inkorrekt
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Username: inkorrekt
Post Number: 217
Registered: 11-2005
Posted From: 207.93.211.50
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MKSUGUMARAN: you are right on.Maharishi could not sell his stuff in the USA in 1970's.So, he came up with this TM which is nothing but a marketing tool only in the USA and it is selling very well. Americans are too naive and gullible. They will believe anything if it feels good. They are searching for the truth in all the wrong places. |
inkorrekt
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Username: inkorrekt
Post Number: 287
Registered: 11-2005
Posted From: 207.93.211.50
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Fact is that a few months after they gave me a "blessing"and a mantra in 1993, I saw with my mind a dark cloud to enter my body and I got a terrible headache that bother's me, non stop for nine years. I even used to see this Ramacrishna's face reflected in the mirror insted of my own, and the really bad news is that there seems to be no easy way out, so my advice is for you folks to not even touch the bs-----ANONYMOUS
You are right on. When you pronounce that sylabble million times, you are actually invoking a DEMON to possess your mind. This is avery dangerous exercize. If you are still struggling, you can get instant relief. Please check hbcdelivers.org. |
mksugumaran
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Username: mksugumaran
Post Number: 350
Registered: 2-2005
Posted From: 220.226.37.74
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Incorrect, You are correct. Those excersizes of Mantras are not suitable to all. That will create Headache and many other problems. It is better not to follow TM and their excersizes.
mksugumaran |
belong2jesus
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Username: belong2jesus
Post Number: 305
Registered: 12-2004
Posted From: 59.93.35.154
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I am amazed that the Baptist Church had to work 40 hours on you to cast out the legion of demons.
I'm glad, however, that they do believe that demons exist. I had one Christian from America tell me that majority of the Americans didn't believe in demons. It's also amazing that the Hindu religion believes in demons more than many Christians today. However, the bible is the most detailed and accurate manual that speaks about demon possession and oppression. Demons are not cast out the way they show in movies like Exorcist. Demons are cast out in the authority in the name of Jesus, and they simply have to obey. Jesus said that those who believe would cast out demons.
Casting out demons is as easy as lifting up your hand. But only those who have received the Lord Jesus and who is rooted in God's Word can cast out demons, not any one else.
Incorrekt, as Christians our standard is the Bible, and in the Bible we don't find Christians struggling to cast out demons, but we find immediate obedience to the name of Jesus. The problem with the Christian church today is that they don't believe the way the early Christians did. The resurrection is not a reality to them, the powers in the blood is not a reality to them and thus they don't see the right results of the Gospel they believe. However, there are true Chrisians who believe, and in their lives we see results just as in the days of the early believers.
I have one request to you, receive the Holy Spirit baptism the bible way. You have received a counterfeit baptism that was not of God, a counterfeit tongues that was not of God. In the real baptism in the Holy Spirit, the person speaks as the HOLY SPIRIT gives utterance. I can see that this is where your problem is.
Read my article on my web site: "Speaking In Tongues": www.geocities.com/sidharth_mohandas/tongues |
belong2jesus
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Username: belong2jesus
Post Number: 306
Registered: 12-2004
Posted From: 59.93.35.154
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If you want to go to my web site Main Page, you can go to this link: www.geocities.com/sidharth_mohandas/Touching
Be blessed |
inkorrekt
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Username: inkorrekt
Post Number: 314
Registered: 11-2005
Posted From: 207.93.211.50
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belong2Jesus: I have one request to you, receive the Holy Spirit baptism the bible way. You have received a counterfeit baptism that was not of God, a counterfeit tongues that was not of God. In the real baptism in the Holy Spirit, the person speaks as the HOLY SPIRIT gives utterance. I can see that this is where your problem is"
You are not alone. When I asked Dr.Walter Martin who was the expert on Cults, he even broke my heart by saying this"."You may not even be a christian" So, you are not alone. You will be shocked to find this. While I was there for the Deliverance seminar, I met lots of ministers from Assemblies of God who came for deliverance. Assemblies of God is really heavy on speaking in tongues and the baptism of the holy spirit.
If what you are telling me is true, does it mean that all those ministers from The Assembly of God did not have the Right holy Spirit? By the way, are you a member of the United Pentecostal Church? |
franklin
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Post Number: 2517
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Posted From: 71.55.179.26
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John 3:16 (King James Version)
16For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
Period! Do not add or subtract from that! |
easeltine
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Username: easeltine
Post Number: 1207
Registered: 5-2005
Posted From: 64.136.27.226
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Inkorrekt,
Sid, my friend, I do not mean to cut into a post here that you may be answering Inkorrekt regarding his post, and please answer if I have not given your positions correctly.
Sid does not go to a Pentecostal Church, nor would he call himself a Pentecostal. Sid calls himself a Christian. If you look at Sid's posts regarding the defense of the doctrine of the Trinity and the Deity of Jesus Christ you will find that Sid confesses that Jesus Christ is the One true God Almighty come in the flesh, his Lord. The classic Christian position. Sid also does not hold to the "Oneness" Pentecostal ideas of the United Pentecostal Church.
Inkorrekt,
The times I saw Dr. Walter Martin, (before he died), was when he was speaking at his daughter's church, an Assembly of God Church in San Jose called Calvary Community, (Gerald Fry was the minister his son is Steve Fry the Christian singer). This is now a Calvary Chapel Church on Hillsdale Avenue. Dr. Walter Martin was not like Hank H., (the "Heresy Hunter" (a book), - without 1 Corinthians 13, Pentecostal/Charismatic Basher), rather Dr. Walter Martin agreed that a Pentecostal, even a Jesus-Only Pentecostal could be saved. One can go to the debate Dr. Walter Martin had on the Ankerberg show against the 1st United Pentecostal and find him calling his opponent "brother". The point is Romans 10:9 - "That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the LORD Jesus Christ..." That was Dr. Walter Martin's answer to Ankerberg who challenged Dr. Walter Martin on the show for thinking that a person with the Oneness doctrine could be saved. One is a Christian and saved if they can confess that Jesus Christ is God Almighty come in the flesh.
I have sent personal emails to Sid regarding the subject of deliverance...from the Charismatic angle of a minister Sid knows about being from India by the name of Derek Prince. Sid does not have the same doctrinal viewpoint on the subject of deliverance that you and I have. The Holy Spirit has not given him this viewpoint yet - Philippians 3:15.
Maxwell Whyte, Derek Prince, Don Basham, Jack Hayford, Charles Simpson, Bob Mumford, Bob Hammond, are just a few names of the many Charismatic/Pentecostal ministers through the years that agree with your position on deliverance.
...even the Billy Graham Workers Handbook agrees with your position that it is possible that a Christian may need deliverance from evil spirits...especially if they have been involved with false Gifts...like SOME, (not all), Pentecostals. |
easeltine
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Username: easeltine
Post Number: 1208
Registered: 5-2005
Posted From: 64.136.27.226
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I want some of you to correct me when my Christianity gets too complacent.
I want some of you to correct me when my Christianity gets too proud.
I want some of you to correct me when my Christianity starts complaining to God of my situation, and I need reminding of the love of God. For mercy triumphs over judgment, and I sometimes forget the simplicity of John 3:16,17, and 1 Corinthians 13. |
inkorrekt
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Username: inkorrekt
Post Number: 316
Registered: 11-2005
Posted From: 207.93.211.50
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I have no problem with the UPC being saved or not saved. The UPC members are all saved. Only problem with them is that they insist that if you are baptized in the name of the Father, son and the Holy spirit, you must be baptized only in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ. When I went to Omaha, it was a Sunday. I verymuch wanted to go to the church. So, I called several churches. No one responded but the UPC. So, I went there. People were very freindly. After a while, they asked me about the baptism. This is when I had conflict with the Scripture in Mark where Jesus commanded all His disciples to go, preach the gospel and baptize in the name of the Father, son and the Holy Ghoast. This is in contrast with what Apostle Paula nd Peter did. Inone place, the believers were asked<" Were you all baptized in the name of Jesus Christ? Baptism is not a prerequisite for salvation. |
inkorrekt
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Username: inkorrekt
Post Number: 317
Registered: 11-2005
Posted From: 207.93.211.50
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The UPC members are all saved. Only problem with them is that they insist that if you are baptized in the name of the Father, son and the Holy spirit, you must be baptized AGAIN only in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ. When I went to Omaha first time, it was a Sunday. I verymuch wanted to go to the church. So, I called several churches. No one responded but the UPC. So, I went there. People were very friendly. After a while, they asked me about the baptism. This is when I had conflict with the Scripture in Mark where Jesus commanded all His disciples to go, preach the gospel and baptize in the name of the Father, son and the Holy Ghoast. This is in contrast with what Apostle Paula nd Peter did. Inone place, the believers were asked, "Were you all baptized in the name of Jesus Christ? Baptism is not a prerequisite for salvation. |
easeltine
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Username: easeltine
Post Number: 1220
Registered: 5-2005
Posted From: 64.136.27.226
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Acts 19:1-6 is the Scripture where Paul asks the believers at the Church of Ephesus whether they were baptized yet. In this particular section of Scriptures the Bible calls them disciples in vs. 1, believers in vs. 2, they are baptized into the name of Jesus in vs. 5, and then the Holy Spirit comes on them in vs. 6.
John 3:16,17/Romans 10:9/Rev. 3:20 are good Scriptures regarding salvation.
The Scriptures also make it clear in 1 Cor. 12:4, and 1 John 4:2,3 that a believer has the indwelling Holy Spirit if they can truly confess that Jesus is LORD, meaning to Christians God Almighty. The Oneness doctrine would agree with this, though have a different understanding of the Trinity than most Christians.
One cannot be truly saved if they refuse to be water baptized when the Holy Spirit tells them to, or purposely continue to disobey the Holy Spirit. |
franklin
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Username: franklin
Post Number: 2567
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Posted From: 71.55.179.26
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Adding, adding, adding again!
A man alone, without a preacher, without being baptized, on a desert island who accepts Christ as his Saviour is saved!
Baptism is a spiritual experience only.
A man who accepts Christ as his Saviour but dies before he is baptized by the Holy Spirit is saved also!
God gave us the K.I.S.S. principle with His Son, the Saviour. No more filthy works or pious rituals. Only faith. Keep it simple stupid!  |
easeltine
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Username: easeltine
Post Number: 1221
Registered: 5-2005
Posted From: 64.136.27.226
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Sid,
My pastor friend from Dehli, (North India Missions), told me of one of his Christian ministers having to have 960 demons cast out of them upon receiving Christ. Since we are on the subject of Hinduism, when you have the 3 main false gods of B., V., and S., and 33 million incarnated gods from them, it is easy to see how a person can get so many demons when they have been raised in Hinduism.
You must be powerful in the Holy Spirit if this is an easy task for you to cast this many demons out of a person? I think you may be exagerating a bit on this being so easy? Have you ever prayed for a person for deliverance?
Inkorekt and I know that it isn't as easy as you portray. |
easeltine
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Username: easeltine
Post Number: 1222
Registered: 5-2005
Posted From: 64.136.27.226
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Franklin,
The Lordship of Jesus Christ is a requirement of salvation according to Romans 10:9. Just a mental agreement that Jesus is your Saviour is not the same as being able to confess Him as Lord and knowing Jesus as Lord. The believe of John 3:16 is not just a mental agreement on Jesus, rather it is to trust, cling, and rely on Christ from the Greek meaning of the word.
Acts 2:38 says, Repent and be baptized, every one of you, in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins. And you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.
Water Baptism is NOT a requirement of salvation.
Lordship according to Romans 10:9 is a requirement of salvation...and obedience is specifically talked about as a need in many Scriptures. |
franklin
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Username: franklin
Post Number: 2570
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Posted From: 71.55.179.26
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What you are talking about is fruit. Faith alone is the only requirement for salvation. You are confusing the two. You will know of someone's faith by their fruit. There you will see, if you have discernment, whether someone's Lord is Christ. But your opinion does not matter. Only God's knowledge of someone's faith matters. Not man's.
A man can go through all of the rigamarole you suggest and still not be saved. He fooled man but not God!
Robert Tilton pretends to be baptized in the Holy Spirit and pretends to speak in tongues but he is as about as far from God as a man can be!
When I speak of someone who has faith I mean that Christ is their Lord and Saviour. A faith that God knows of. Doesn't matter what other people think. Only God knows our hearts. If God knows of one's faith in His Son then what else is needed? A man alone with no one for a thousand miles has no one to confess to or to show his filthy works or pious ritual partaking to. Salvation is an interpersonal relationship with God only. How could it be otherwise?
How holy we seem to others will never be good enough. God only requires our faith in His Son. Why are you trying to make salvation so complicated when it is really so simple? Faith alone! |
easeltine
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Username: easeltine
Post Number: 1223
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Posted From: 64.136.27.226
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I know what you are saying is true. The Bible says, "For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith-and this not from yourselves, it is the gift of God-not by works, so that no one can boast. For we are God's workmanship, created in Christ Jesus to do good works, which God prepared in advance for us to do."
The reason I am presenting the other side of the necesity that the fruit of the Spirit, and good works will be present for one with true faith is due to the fact that millions are going to go to hell due to the idea of easy believism. The Gospel has become Cheap Grace, Sloppy Agape, and Greasy Love by the over-emphasis of the idea that one can just make a mental consent to Jesus as Saviour, not change their life, and then they are once-saved-always-saved no matter what fruit they produce. Like Keith Green's song, "The only difference between the sheep and the goats is what they did and didn't do."
God's grace, through faith saves you, though the fruits from the tree tell us if the tree is good or not. |
easeltine
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Username: easeltine
Post Number: 1224
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Posted From: 64.136.27.226
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What do you do with Romans 10:9? The wording is, "That IF THOU SHALL CONFESS WITH THY MOUTH THE LORD JESUS CHRIST, and believe in your heart God has raised Him from the dead thou shall be saved."
This Scripture seems to me to be saying that confessing the LORD Jesus Christ is necessary for salvation. Is this now considered a "WORK" by the faith sola crowd? Was confession of the LORD Jesus Christ thought as a "WORK" by Martin Luther when he came upon Romans 1:17? Luther almost threw out the Book of James due to the words, "Faith without works is dead."
Franklin, this is that last post I will do on this topic...you may continue...I think that we are going a bit off when the title of this Topic is Hindu Sects. |
franklin
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Post Number: 2587
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Posted From: 71.55.179.26
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If there is faith there is works. If there is no works there is no faith. But it is by faith alone we receive salvation. Not works alone or faith + works. Faith alone. Sure if you have faith you will confess with your mouth. But if you accept Christ on your own and die before you have a chance to profess your faith you still go to heaven. Got it? |
franklin
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Post Number: 2588
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Posted From: 71.55.179.26
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The fruits of the tree are for God alone to judge. Not man! Many legalists who are showy with their works will get spewed out of Christ's mouth because He does not know them. They do not have the simple faith of a child. The bigger threat to the body of Christ is the satanic legalism that keeps raising the bar of salvation. Legalism spawns dangerous mind control cults! No longer by grace alone but got to do this, got to do that..... Pharisees talking. If Christ returned today with His simple message the legalists would crucify Him again. The "Cheap Grace" as you call it is closer to the Gospel of Christ than the legalism is. Legalism is the real threat. It was not the worldly that most objected to and killed Christ. It was the legalists. They had the most to lose. Think about it!  |
easeltine
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Username: easeltine
Post Number: 1239
Registered: 5-2005
Posted From: 64.136.27.225
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I will break my rule...the guys that will get spewed out of Christ's mouth are the lukewarm Christians, Revelation 3:15-21. "I know your DEEDS...because you say, "I am rich, and have become wealthy, and HAVE NEED OF NOTHING." and you do not know that you are wretched and miserable and poor and blind and naked. I advise you to BUY from Me gold refined by fire...Those whom I love, I reprove and dicipline; therefore be ZEALOUS AND REPENT...he who OVERCOMES..."
I think that you are a bit lovey dovey on some subjects Franklin...maybe I need a little bit more of your ideas to balance me out. |
franklin
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Username: franklin
Post Number: 2841
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Posted From: 71.55.179.26
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I was a zealot when I first became born again. Then I learned to temper my zealotry to become a better instrument. Lovey dovey is good! God is lovey dovey! That is why souls come to Him! |
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