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hombre (hombre)
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Username: hombre
Post Number: 76
Registered: 8-2005
Posted From: 209.254.77.23
| | Posted on Friday, October 14, 2005 - 12:07 pm: | 
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Dear brothers and sisters in the Lord,
Would you honor me with a few moments of your time
to reply to several questions I have?
I would like to know, how you are getting on with your life,
and how you are dealing with a number of real issues.
Let's leave the issue of faith healing
and Hobart Freeman out of this discussion.
1. Where are you going to 'church'?
2. If not, why?
3. What do you see as the major reasons for
attending a church, assuming that the generally accepted
doctrines of Christianity are being taught?
4. How do you view the role of the church,
with reference to the community,
and what are its' responsibilities toward it?
5. What would cause you to leave a church?
Thank you for your consideration and time. |
duncan (duncan)
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Username: duncan
Post Number: 105
Registered: 1-2005
Posted From: 205.255.224.10
| | Posted on Friday, October 14, 2005 - 1:54 pm: |
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Hombre,
Thanks for the new thread. I have posted bits and pieces over the last year, but I will try to narrow it down to "bullet points."
I currently attend a conservative, Southern Baptist church in Alabama. We average between 500 and 600 each Sunday. By conservative, I mean that the doctrine is conservative and our style of worship is conservative (as compared to many churches today that have jumped on the "contemporary bandwagon"). I attend when the doors are open (Sunday morning, Sunday night and Wednesday night).
As for your next question, there are several "major" reasons for attending church. I would call the first reason discipleship. In other words, my family and I need to be spiritually fed during the week. A second reason would be for ministry. Christians are part of the church to minister to each other. If someone has a need in the church, we are there to pray and try and meet the need, if possible. Closely related to this reason is my third reason, which is fellowship. We all need Christians friends with whom to associate. This could be sports, meals, home Bible studies, etc.
Your next question related to the role of the church in the community. My belief is that one of the main reasons for the existance the church is for those who are not yet there. In other words, evangelism. The local church is placed into a community to reach out to the lost of that community. If God is truly moving in a church, the members will not be able to keep their mouths shut. Word will then spread throughout the community that something different and exciting is going on there. To a lesser degree, I think the church should help the poor and hurting in the community by ministering to their needs in the name of Jesus.
Finally, several things could happen that would cause me to leave my church. First, I would be forced to leave if our pastor introduced teachings that did not line up with the scripture (i.e. began teaching heresy). Secondly, if the church began to be more like the world in order to reach the world. This reason is sort of an all-encompassing answer. It could mean the introduction of worldly music into a worship service. It could mean the introduction of worldly programs offered by the church. Many churches today feel that the only way they can reach the lost is to become more like them. I am a strong believer that there should be something so different about us that the lost want to know more about it.
I could write a thesis on these topics, so if there is something in particular that intrigues you, please let me know and I will expound upon it.
Have a blessed day!
Duncan |
cougarxr72 (cougarxr72)
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Username: cougarxr72
Post Number: 93
Registered: 3-2005
Posted From: 71.50.246.127
| | Posted on Tuesday, November 01, 2005 - 6:39 pm: |
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Hombre,
I haven't posted in awhile but somehow I always get drawn back into the discussion. Must be that "cult" mentality. HaHa I'll answer your questions.
1. Where are you going to 'church'?
I haven't been to church on a regular basis in 20 years. My wife is a member of the local Methodist Church and I go with her once in awhile. I have attended various Wesleyan, Nazerene, United Brethern and various other churches over the last 20 years.
2. If not, why?
I grew up in FA, it was the only church experience that I ever had. It is a major adjustment to go from a church like FA to a standard denominational church. The problems that I have had with churches that I have attended are that they are more concerned with entertaining the congregation(ie keep them coming back) than they are teaching the word of God. I have left feeling many times that most of the people there are there because it's the "socially accepted" thing to do. I also have a real hard time sitting in church with people who put on a good face on Sunday and then live like heathens the rest of the week. I guess I've just not found a church that I'm comfortable in, I realize that there isn't a perfect church, but if I wanted to be entertained, I'd stay at home and watch a movie.
The last point is that I have struggled with what to believe since leaving FA, I can't refute much of what was taught there with scripture, but I had two deaths in my family and almost a 3rd under the teachings of Faith Healing. It is difficult for me to go back to a teaching that caused so much pain and suffering in my family.
3. What do you see as the major reasons for
attending a church, assuming that the generally accepted
doctrines of Christianity are being taught?
I think that it is important to be around other Christians. When you are around other Christians you help each other grow in the faith.
4. How do you view the role of the church,
with reference to the community,
and what are its' responsibilities toward it?
I realize that this goes against FA's teachings but I believe that the church should be there to help their fellow man in the time of need. Some of the quickest responding organizations after the latest hurricanes were churches and faith based organizations. I believe that we are not saved by works, but I also don't believe that God expects us to sit by idly while our fellow man suffers.
5. What would cause you to leave a church?
I would leave a church if I didn't believe that the message lined up with scripture. |
hombre (hombre)
Intermediate Member
Username: hombre
Post Number: 121
Registered: 8-2005
Posted From: 209.254.77.23
| | Posted on Wednesday, November 02, 2005 - 8:22 pm: |
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Thank you Duncan and Cougar.
I appreciate you responding to my questions with honesty
and thoughtfulness.....
.....it is also nice to read these without the ravings
of a lunatic permeating the background.
I have a similar, but not as tragic background as yours, Cougar,
and I too find it difficult to stay in any church
for any length of time
before I am disgusted by either the avoidance, denial
or hypocritical application of the Bible.
I also find that every church seems to have its' own agenda,
outside of maturing disciples, that seems intrusive and manipulative,
serving guilty consciences more that creating a willful desire to
do good or serve others.
I would still very much like to fellowship with those from our
common past background, and I find that compared to the
VAST majority of Christians, we have an entire encyclopedia,
at our disposal, as opposed to merely possessing John 3:16.
For that reason, I find relationships with other Christians to be
shallow, and fruitless, when going beyond the gateway of salvation.
It is not that I, nor WE consider ourselves to be elite, it's just that
the majority have no clue that there is anything beyond
that initial experience, and perfect attendance.
???
For some reason, I don't get it.
WHY would people be satisfied to stay there?
I equate that to playing a religious game.
Not interested.
Either the book is true, or it is not.
That is where I see you wrestling also, Cougar.
I think that the most difficult thing for me to do,
is simply to be still and wait, yet I feel that this is exactly what
The Lord wants from me.
To die.
If we are to know the power of His resurrection,
we must be willing to be made conformable to His death.
To be perfectly honest, I don't believe any of us are
capable of being trusted with that sort of power.
If we yearn for the power, we must submit ourselves to His will...
...something that is way easier said than done.
That being said, how many Christians are being taught
about the death of the self life?
I guess about as many as are being taught faith for anything,
other than for forgiveness of sin.
This is my problem with attending 'church'....no depth,
no answers to real hard questions...and that is the precise
reason that the world sees the church as a hypocritical empire
composed of ineffective, powerless and naive or at worst, demented zealots.
We desperately need God to vindicate His Word,
or so we think, yet perhaps, what we all need to do
is to allow ourselves to die to our own thoughts and ways. |
the_soulsurfer (the_soulsurfer)
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Username: the_soulsurfer
Post Number: 1
Registered: 11-2005
Posted From: 24.214.149.35
| | Posted on Friday, November 04, 2005 - 5:38 pm: |
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Hi, I'm new here.
I attended FA for about 10 years, only one of those while Freeman was still living.
1. Where are you going to 'church'?
I wandered around for about 2 years after I left FCA (Jeff Barnett's work in Acton, where I had moved to 8 years after Freeman died), trying to clear my head and wrap my understanding around what happened during my experiences at FA...it was a difficult time indeed. It wasn't so much that I felt superior in my training to other Christians...it's that I saw too much of the flawed structure we were a part of in most places I went.
Over time, I just started a small Bible study in my living room...which is now something else entirely: www.eastgatefellowship.net
I'm not one of the bitter guys...but I have totally rejected the teachings of Freeman as it touched the charismatic doctrines, as well as his views on ecclesiology (and Calvinism as well). God's done a wonderful thing in healing me...and I'd love to share the hope I have with any who still struggle with those days.
But if you still hold to those doctrines, that's cool too. I'm not intereseted in trying to talk anyone out of what they believe.
Peace!
Rob |
mark1124 (mark1124)
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Username: mark1124
Post Number: 7
Registered: 9-2005
Posted From: 71.243.44.250
| | Posted on Saturday, November 05, 2005 - 4:23 am: |
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Hi Rob,
It is nice to meet you. Please feel free to share your experiences further if you wish, that is if you can wade through the trash that the "prophet" is spewing out against me, which, btw none is true.
I am sorry that you rejected everything that Bro. Freeman taught. But that is your priviledge. This is a free country, you know. And you will not be subject to bashing from anyone here (hopefully), because of it.
Personally, I like the teachings of Bro. Freeman simply because it has opened my eyes to a lot of things that I never saw when I was in the WOF camp or even in the mainline denominational churches. But I guess also that if I were to ask people about their opinions of Dr. Freeman, many opinions would be negative anyway. And I expect that.
It's nice to have a new face and some fresh thoughts here. Again, please share your thoughts with us if you wish.
Peace
Mark |
healed (healed)
Member
Username: healed
Post Number: 96
Registered: 3-2005
Posted From: 222.151.9.183
| | Posted on Saturday, November 05, 2005 - 9:06 am: |
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What I cant understand is the need for people to find something that was like FA or need all that in your life. If I spent one minute in any of these bible studys, Id have to force myself to be nice to anybody and try to get into what they were doing. I dont need the crap, it brings up bad memories of misery. Trying to understand these people is a study in insanity, just look at Hombre. They will never comprimise. I think that God can be in somebodys heart and soul and guide them without having to belong to any freak group. |
mark1124 (mark1124)
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Username: mark1124
Post Number: 8
Registered: 9-2005
Posted From: 71.243.44.250
| | Posted on Saturday, November 05, 2005 - 1:26 pm: |
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Get lost punk |
the_soulsurfer (the_soulsurfer)
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Username: the_soulsurfer
Post Number: 2
Registered: 11-2005
Posted From: 24.214.149.35
| | Posted on Saturday, November 05, 2005 - 5:25 pm: |
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Hey Mark!
Thanks for the warm welcome, I really appreciate it.
I'm not sure how much to elaborate on my experiences at FA...for me, it was a learning experience, but much of the learning happened after my time there. God has done wonderful things in my life, and in the lives of so many others in community with me that I think it wears me out trying to dredge through some of that history.
What I'd love to do is hear more of what you learned from Freeman that has been positive. I don't doubt that you did, I'm just always interested in what it is that still attracts people to his teaching.
Anyway....thanks for the welcome. Are there any other sites like this, where old FA people visit and discuss their experiences?
Rob |
mark1124 (mark1124)
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Username: mark1124
Post Number: 9
Registered: 9-2005
Posted From: 71.243.44.250
| | Posted on Saturday, November 05, 2005 - 6:29 pm: |
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Hi Rob,
I guess I have a disadvantage in that I never went to FA and experienced what you and others had. I was influenced by the tapes of Bro. Freeman.
I guess what turns me on to the teachings is that in an average church, you wouldn't hear much about the crucified life, deeper life, or the terms "overcoming", etc. The avergae church would mock at the idea of being persecuted for one's beliefs. I had some difficulty at the outset in dealing with the trials and persecution aspect of the message, coming from a Word of Faith background where that is not taught. But after a while, I began to see that these things are true.
Also, Dr. Freeman warned a lot about the different errors and heresies lurking about and it made me aware of them.
My eyes have been opened to a lot of false teaching and God has helped me to see things in a different light than what I believed before.
Also, the theology tapes and the charismatic school is excellent as he makes a dry topic, namely theology in your average school, interesting.
I still have some things that I don't understand completely. But God is working those things in me as I grow in Him.
Would I have said positive things if I saw what happened at the church and experienced them myself? I don't know..maybe, maybe not. I don't know how I would react, quite frankly.
I do know that Brother Freeman was an anointed man of God and that he was an excellent teacher, and for that reason, I will still listen to the tapes.
As far as I know there is one website that you can post your experiences on. You may want to check out http://www.tomax7.com/thoughts/faith_assembly.htm.
I think there is a place where you can post your thoughts there.
I pray, Brother, that God is doing a good work in you.
Thank you for responding. I look forward in hearing from you again soon, my friend.
Mark |
healed (healed)
Member
Username: healed
Post Number: 97
Registered: 3-2005
Posted From: 220.108.97.45
| | Posted on Sunday, November 06, 2005 - 3:35 am: |
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"get lost punk" he says unto brother five fo fool. Now that aint a very christian like thing to say there mark. Why dont you and bro Hombre do as the bible teaches and turn the other cheek. Yall all a bunch of self righteous punks yourself. |
40days40years (40days40years)
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Username: 40days40years
Post Number: 28
Registered: 10-2005
Posted From: 65.147.221.221
| | Posted on Sunday, November 06, 2005 - 5:06 am: |
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Mark are you from northern california? Are you the guy that walked out of Rhema when the professor said the blood does not atone.
just curious I knew a Hobart tape fanatic called Mark.
God bless you. |
mark1124 (mark1124)
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Username: mark1124
Post Number: 11
Registered: 9-2005
Posted From: 71.243.44.250
| | Posted on Sunday, November 06, 2005 - 5:55 am: |
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Hi 40...
No that is not me. I live in New England.
God bless
Mark |
hombre (hombre)
Intermediate Member
Username: hombre
Post Number: 129
Registered: 8-2005
Posted From: 209.254.77.23
| | Posted on Sunday, November 06, 2005 - 1:05 pm: |
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Fiver:
Don't bring your crap into this thread.
You are totally off topic here.
If you want to post something of relevance here,
the topic is:
What are you doing with your life, post FA?
If you can't stay on topic, then keep your mouth shut. |
mark1124 (mark1124)
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Username: mark1124
Post Number: 14
Registered: 9-2005
Posted From: 71.243.44.250
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You tell him Hombre! I'm with you. The problem is, is that he can't keep his mouth shut.
Mark
(Message edited by mark1124 on November 06, 2005) |
hombre (hombre)
Intermediate Member
Username: hombre
Post Number: 134
Registered: 8-2005
Posted From: 209.254.77.23
| | Posted on Tuesday, November 08, 2005 - 10:06 am: |
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Fiver.......Shut up and get on track.
Either talk about the subject matter at hand or get out.
Your personal attacks are ridiculous,
and are of absolutely no interest to anyone here but yourself.
There is not one thread here, except my thread
on praising the Lord and giving glory to HIm,
that you have not tainted with your childish brand of accusatory dialogue.
Apparently, you are incapable of adding anything constructive and helpful
to anyone here, as well as being incapable of giving glory to God,
whom you say you serve.
I do not care about how many references you make to me
telling you to shut up and get your head out of your butt.
I am not impressed with your ability to cut and paste.
Maybe you should get a package of construction paper and Elmers' paste,
and show everybody what a nice picture you can make.
Here is a topic for you:
What I did on my summer vacation with Mommy and Daddy.
Grow up, you big crybaby.
Now then to get back on track again....
( when you are ready to contribute to the discussion at hand, Fiver,
you may come out of the corner and take the dunce hat off )
What has been happening in your life since FA, besides
all the crying in your soup and pointing fingers at others? |
hombre (hombre)
Intermediate Member
Username: hombre
Post Number: 136
Registered: 8-2005
Posted From: 209.254.77.23
| | Posted on Tuesday, November 08, 2005 - 10:40 am: |
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Quote from Healed:
What I cant understand is the need for people to find something that was like FA or need all that in your life. If I spent one minute in any of these bible studys, Id have to force myself to be nice to anybody and try to get into what they were doing. I dont need the crap, it brings up bad memories of misery. Trying to understand these people is a study in insanity, just look at Hombre. They will never comprimise. I think that God can be in somebodys heart and soul and guide them without having to belong to any freak group.
Hombre:
Thank you for your candor.
We are finally in agreement on something.
I do not believe you need to go to a church to have God in your heart either,
and if your purpose in going to church is to simply fit in
and be like everyone else, then yes, you are correct,
that would be misery.
However, that is not and never was the purpose of the church.
The purpose of the church is 1.) to serve as a light to the world,
and 2.) to be a place where like-minded believers could assemble,
fellowship, learn and worship.
I think that the problem you have with it all is that you don't want to fit in.
So what?
I don't either.
God made all of us to be individuals, and whatever He made you for,
is unique to yourself. That is the point where you can begin.
Right now, I see you rejecting Christianity,
because of what you think about certain people and their belief system/s.
That is where many people stumble.
It is not about Me or Hobart or anyone else, besides Jesus.
ALL of us have sinned, ALL of us have made mistakes,
and most likely will continue to screw up in one way or another,
until the Lord returns; but accusing others and using that as a basis
for rejecting Christianity and fighting with me and others here,
is going to do nothing but impede your own development and growth,
as a Christian, as well as just being a healthy secular person,
if that is what you want to be.
I am not interested in forcing my beliefs down your throat,
or anyone elses. I have never said, anywhere here or elsewhere,
that people are going to hell for not following the teaching of
divine healing, but neither am I interested in compromising
my own beliefs in my life.
This is a place where we can all share our experiences, and problems
related to FA, positive and negative.
We should begin not only to accept one another, but to also understand
one another, that we may help one another. |
micah (micah)
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Username: micah
Post Number: 67
Registered: 12-2004
Posted From: 66.228.99.232
| | Posted on Tuesday, November 08, 2005 - 10:50 am: |
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i guess some of us are just too busy living the crucified life to ignore ignoramuses and not keep rehashing the same old piles of horsesheet that we so love to throw in each others faces. So leave us alone hombre (and yes i said us for we are many  )and let us continue in our mature intercourse here.
OK really, I am serious when i say that i dont want mark and the great prophet to stop fighting,I find it enlightening.  I so want to see who will win, Ahhh cant wait, my money is on the prophet with five folds, hes got a killer left undercut, enough to fend off marks right jab??
Who can tell? ahhh
bring it on fellas i just heard the bell and round 11987 is underway.
ARE YOU READY TO RUMMMMMMMMMBBLE?
(oh ya by the way if you take the number 11987 and get rid of the first two numbers and change the rest to sixes you will get 666.....coincedence?? I think not.) |
duncan (duncan)
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Username: duncan
Post Number: 119
Registered: 1-2005
Posted From: 205.255.224.10
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Five,
I'm not sure why I was tucked away in your last post. I have never met Mark, nor do I know him (other than his posts on this board). The same holds true for Hombre. As for FA, I have always been under the impression that it pretty much dissolved after Dr. Freeman died. I'm not even sure if anyone goes there anymore or, if they do, how many attend. If you know, I would be interested just to satisfy my curiousity.
Duncan |
mark1124 (mark1124)
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Post Number: 18
Registered: 9-2005
Posted From: 71.243.44.250
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And when I met these new FA people I was startled with Marks
Prayers for a successful war in Iraq,, Dr Freeman would have had a fit..
Correction...it was a prayer for a quick war...not a successful war. I sure wish that the facts are correct. Oh well...it looks like I have to correct things and get the facts right, as usual.
Like for instance...turning over someone to Satan for the destruction of the flesh meaning a death threat. In context with scripture, it is a matter of disciplining a sinning church member, per 1 Cor 5. I guess I have to correct that error too.
The more Fivefoldprophet speaks, the more I have to correct his errors. I guess that is my cross in life.
On second thought, if I were to correct all the errors that Fivefold speaks about me, it would be like bailing the ocean out with a spoon.
Since God knows that I speak the truth, and that God knows that my heart was right in that prayer, as well as everything else that I was falsely accused of, I do not have to defend myself to Fivefold, or to anyone in this group.
Thank God for His grace and mercy. Too bad I was not a recipient of it from Fivefold, who claims to be a Christian and who is supposed to act like Jesus, who was also merciful.
Have a great day folks. I will be reading what you guys have to say. I just pray that those of you who are bitter over FA will be delivered one day. I sense that from some of the posts here.
God bless
Mark
(Message edited by mark1124 on November 09, 2005)
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40days40years (40days40years)
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Username: 40days40years
Post Number: 46
Registered: 10-2005
Posted From: 65.147.31.2
| | Posted on Wednesday, November 09, 2005 - 1:12 am: |
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Brother 5fold you said that Freeman always said things in good taste. I remember him talking about womens clothes being worldly and refering to womens nipples showing through their clothes and this was in the context of it would not be appropriate for his daughters to dress in this fasion. Also there were repeated references to sodomite shoes and the gays dress habits (white leather tennis shoes preferred by gay men). Faith Assembly folks talked about this stuff I lived in California and all this junk was news to me, maybe I am just naive. Freeman could get pretty graphic, this is not the stuff of your average methodist/mennonite church service, my mother would call it in poor taste  !!!
Oh and you said he did not bash Copeland/Hagin and company I just remembered him referring to the strange spirit coming out of Tulsa. Not to be nitpicky but everyone knows who lives there. It is kind of like if I was talking about somebody and I named the town and street they lived in. To be fair though Freeman would condem their doctrinal error but would tell folks that these folks in error might love God more than the congregation even if they were in grave danger with the JDS heresy.
blessings to everyone
(Message edited by 40days40years on November 09, 2005) |
40days40years (40days40years)
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Username: 40days40years
Post Number: 47
Registered: 10-2005
Posted From: 65.147.31.2
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One more thing 5fold. You really seem to put Freeman up on a pedestal like he was some gentle lamb. Yeah he had a gentle Orville Redenbacker look to him but he could be mean and controlling, ten times tougher on people than this Mark fellow you rail against for being incorrigable. Some of his followers back when he was alive could also be REAL MEAN, controlling, manipulative, vicious all in the name of serving God (a LOT of folks were HURT) and Freeman is partly responsible and if he was alive he would agree, I know he would. It was no picnic back in the "good old days", perhaps you were to young to understand the all out carnage going on. The man was an enigma, he would fight you to the death about not fighting! LOL and yes he would have had a fit over Marks prayer about the Iraq war but I think in this case Mark is right and Hobart wrong. Hobart is just a man not Jesus Christ, he made mistakes to you know, he is just a man. - If I was a deer I would want Freeman fighting to save me from those hunters.
(Message edited by 40days40years on November 09, 2005) |
healed (healed)
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Username: healed
Post Number: 99
Registered: 3-2005
Posted From: 218.47.79.147
| | Posted on Wednesday, November 09, 2005 - 3:01 am: |
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The thing that is different between you and me is that I dont need a Freeman or somebody else to go and be around the "Word" Those people were clinging to false hope and still do, all being bound to the promise of eternal salvation if you obey the legalistic word of a man. Its the same as a crack addict, thats why they call these people relegious junkies. Your point that the people of FAs fallout and Dr Freeman being different is correct. These people were of that character, if there wasnt a leader around to guide them, like an Adolf Hitler, a dictator, they dont know what to do with themselves. I do assure you, however, there are still die hard followers of the original FA group, I have a relative that is. This individual claims to be "thirsty in a dry land" meaning that its difficult to find another person that could fill Freemans shoes to follow. There is a satelite movement in Florida, which only makes since because Charles Meade has a huge flock (cult)down there as well. Its an extremely difficult thing to watch as someones life is slowly wasted away by some extremist belief and there is nothing you can do about. Its a selfish act as they are always there trying to pull you in. It is mind boggeling how anyone could still support that mess and be defensive of it, like some of the idiots I see posting here. It has ruined lives and caused hardships for others involved. Because some of the more die hard followers, (my relative) were brainwashed, it caused internal turmoil for them when the leader suddenly expired. They struggle everyday to battle pain and "symptoms" knowing that if they give in to what worldly people like me suggest, their eternal salvation is ruined. your correct when you say Freeman was a man with a message. But so was Hitler, the radical Islamics, the Buddhist cults in Asia and all the other whacked mess out there. Sure Freeman made mistakes, but the mistakes he made cost people their life and continues to this day. The morons that are posting here are always reference the "good" that Freeman did. Im sorry, youll never convince me, all I need is to take a walk in hell and visit somebody I know still walking the "faith" to turn my gut against any of it. |
duncan (duncan)
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Username: duncan
Post Number: 122
Registered: 1-2005
Posted From: 205.255.224.10
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FiveFingerDiscount,
Why do you keep agreeing with Healed and referencing his comments like he's a great theologian? He has admitted to the board that he is not saved! As such, he is the least qualified on this board to speak of spiritual matters!
As for not needing anyone, I guess you have to throw that whole "Not forsaking the assembling of ourselves together" that Hebrews 10:25 talks about. You would also have to ditch the "iron sharpening iron" passage of Proverbs 27:17.
It sounds like God wants us to have others around us to encourage us in our walk.
Duncan |
hombre (hombre)
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Username: hombre
Post Number: 146
Registered: 8-2005
Posted From: 209.254.77.23
| | Posted on Thursday, November 10, 2005 - 7:09 pm: |
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BAD SPELLING, GRAMMAR & PUNCTUATION!!!!
fivefoldprophet (fivefoldprophet)
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Username: fivefoldprophet
Post Number: 331
quote:
your the real Church that everyone just cant wait to follow
end quote.
fivefoldprophet (fivefoldprophet)
Intermediate Member
Username: fivefoldprophet
Post Number: 331
quote:
this is the most evil and vial language!
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fivefoldprophet (fivefoldprophet)
Intermediate Member
Username: fivefoldprophet
Post Number: 331
quote:
your wicked and should repent!
end quote.
fivefoldprophet (fivefoldprophet)
Intermediate Member
Username: fivefoldprophet
Post Number: 331
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cougar ,your just as bad for going along with this evil!
end quote.
fivefoldprophet (fivefoldprophet)
Intermediate Member
Username: fivefoldprophet
Post Number: 331
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your "full of the devil!" just like the rest of those "socalled current FA leaders"
end quote.
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NAME CALLING!!!!!!
fivefoldprophet (fivefoldprophet)
Intermediate Member
Username: fivefoldprophet
Post Number: 331
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your a liar and your words here prove it!
end quote.
fivefoldprophet (fivefoldprophet)
Intermediate Member
Username: fivefoldprophet
Post Number: 331
quote:
your "full of the devil!" just like the rest of those "socalled current FA leaders"
end quote.
fivefoldprophet (fivefoldprophet)
Intermediate Member
Username: fivefoldprophet
Post Number: 331
quote:
I believe it Hombre the way you embrace these evil sick men'
who talk satanic and make demonic statements
your right at home with your evil friends
these people have no relationship with the teaching of Dr Hobart Freeman and are deceivers!
You current Faith Assembly socalled Leadership may have hyjacked Freemans tapes
and are selling them,, but your deceivers and full of the devil!
end quote.
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You had better repent!
.....show me one Dr Freeman tape that teaches this kind of behavior!
DR Freeman would be ashamed!
and I know Jesus is!
Hey.
How do you like me now?
You know, you haven't listened to a word I've said to you,
or learned a single thing about anyone here.
You continue to play your stupid little power game,
and spit back all your referenced out of context crapola
that no one is interested in hearing.
So you get what you asked for.
You want to play Gods' little prophet?
Here's a nice prophecy for you to think about,
it is found in the 'book of Revelation'
ALL DECEIVERS ( etc.) SHALL FIND THEIR PART
IN THE LAKE THAT BURNS WITH FIRE AND BRIMSTONE.
THIS IS THE SECOND DEATH.
THAT WOULD INCLUDE BELIEF IN,
AND TEACHING HERESY/FALSE DOCTRINE
ABOUT JESUS DYING SPIRITUALLY.
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BTW: I sense a note of condescension, anger and
hope for impending judgment in your phony desire
for us all to 'be blessed'.
Anyway,.....: 'Be blessed young man,
and may all your dreams be of things sweet and nice'.
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Did you learn that last lesson I just gave you,
or do I need to spell it out for you again? |
1faithassemblykid
New member
Username: 1faithassemblykid
Post Number: 8
Registered: 5-2006
Posted From: 24.33.253.231
| | Posted on Tuesday, May 30, 2006 - 1:34 am: |
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Okay, I'll bite, see replies in Bold
Dear brothers and sisters in the Lord,
Would you honor me with a few moments of your time
to reply to several questions I have?
I would like to know, how you are getting on with your life,
and how you are dealing with a number of real issues.
Let's leave the issue of faith healing
and Hobart Freeman out of this discussion.
1. Where are you going to 'church'?
Don't
2. If not, why?
The same reason I don't believe in astrology. It is unlogical nonsense, designed to take your money.
3. What do you see as the major reasons for
attending a church, assuming that the generally accepted
doctrines of Christianity are being taught?
Networking
4. How do you view the role of the church,
with reference to the community,
and what are its' responsibilities toward it?
If there was a God, he'd be mostly ashamed at what is done in his name
5. What would cause you to leave a church?
Not applicable
Thank you for your consideration and time. |
root
New member
Username: root
Post Number: 1
Registered: 1-2007
Posted From: 71.127.91.52
| | Posted on Tuesday, January 16, 2007 - 9:50 pm: |
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Hi,
I'm new to the forum. I attended FA with my family in the 80's and 90's. I was old enough to be freaked out when my parents stopped going to doctors, stopped celebrating any holidays, and routinely rebuked demons when I questioned their authority or disobeyed. I left the church when I was 17.
One thing that I feel characterizes those who grew up in FA is that it is hard for us to express negative emotion when appropriate because we were trained not to respond naturally in stressful situations, i.e. "positive thinking and confession". We have been trained to internalize fear, anger, stress, (really any negative emotion).
Rather than being turned away from Christ, I laid down all that I had been taught (in those 2 hour sermons and listening to HEF's entire sermons as part of my schooling), and "relearned" my faith; I am still learning!
My wife and I attend Church of the Good Shepherd in Leo, IN. It is a church that has as its vision planting 100 churches in *hina by the year 2025. I appreciate going to a church that is focused on reaching others with Christ rather than on religious hair-splitting like the bickering that seemed to characterize the churches in the "faith" movement.
I am still in touch with about a dozen former FA people, some are moving on and growing, whether spiritually limping or not. Others have given up on God and blame it on their FA experience, and still others continue to live much the same as they did 20 years ago. |
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