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     iwas1ncthr (iwas1ncthr) New member Username: iwas1ncthr Post Number: 2 Registered: 10-2005 Posted From: 71.192.199.236 |
Victory Chapel a.k.a The Door, Christian fellowship Ministries is without a doubt a very harsh cult. the fellowship was started by Wayman O Mitchell who departed from the 4 square ministry back in the 1970's. When one studies this mans epic call to see how his Amway church organization was built, you will see what the ultimate cause was. Wayman Mitchel Left the 4 square church based on doctrin. he did not agree with some of the things that 4 suare stood on. The funny thing is, is that most of us who have changed churches for one reason or another have done so for this very reason. The problem here was Wayman got together with other members and created his own group. During some services, Wayman and his followers would stand up, turn there backs to the preacher and walk out of service. not only did this create an uncomforatable situation for the Pastor of this church but it also demonstraited the rebellion and lack of respect for headship. These two things I just mentioned are the corner stone of anyone who is in Victry cahpel to this day. I was part of this fellowship for almost 15 years. I have seen alot and been through alot just like anyone else who has been in a cult. The movement was vey big with the CFM, it swept through the US and even over sea's. The interesting part of this cult is that it has an Amway theory to it. When one church is "launced out" after it has a group of members, it must tithe 10% to the mother church. Once the smaller church grows and sends out it own to plant churches, the group follows suit except the smaller church gets to keep 5% of the totle monthly tithe while the ladder goes up to the total 10% to the mother church. Pretty good way to make the money? You bet! Thing is, is that they do preach the cross and Jesus being the only way to heaven. This is sound doctrin. but once you get "locked in" you start to conform to the ways of the CFM. You are taught that the Pastor is Gods chosen, and to question him or speak any negative word of him is directly comming against the hand of God. You will be labeled as a rebel and have cutom made sermons about your rebelious ways. When Wayman showed his rebelion by how he departed from the 4 suare, he made shure to impliment this into his doctrine of extreme obidiance to the pastor. In short, if Pastor says, its from God.In the 1990's there was a big church split.When someone left the church, it was always because they had a sin issue or the most sought out explanation was they had a problem with Pastor and refused to deal with it. They stand by their beleife that if you leave where you got saved, then you are out of Gods will. When you do leave, you will me marked as demond possesed and the current members are to have nothing to do with you. Dateing is only on grounds that you get Pastors permision. while I do agree with no sex until marrage, you must have a shaprone with you until you get married. when I looked back at the history in this cult, I started to question some of these things. I wondered why when in the 1990's over 100 churches left. I heard why they did from current members, yes it was rebelion. exactly what the foundation of CFM was built on. When i looked and listened to sermons desroying the names of people who left the church, I went to the bible, and to my relization this in itself was gossip. This also caused division, Not Of God. As I ran into other members who had left, i heard there side of the storie. Could everyone who left the fellowship realy have a problem with headship? Or was what they were once blind from finaly opened into a reality check. Another point to look at is the doctrine of where your saved is where you need to be, and if you leave you are out of the will of God. This rule has an exception. One of the Best preachers i ever heard was a man by the name of Joe Cambell, also Harry Hills. They both came from the Assemblies of God. so why didnt they have the same rules as the people of CFM? They were saved at the AG but now they are in CFM???? As I will not ever say that anyone is going to burn in hell, for I know not the heart of any man, i will warn those who are out or that may have been approched by one of these people. as in any church movement, not everyone is the same. shure some of the CFm churces have some sound preachers and I wouldn't question the salvation of anyone, but you can judge the works by the word of God. You can open the eyes of others by false doctrins and cult practices. One of the churches I was in was that of jacksonville florida. The Pastor rules with an iron fist. He controles the church by fear and has a pefect A type personality to do so. He deciples people in his own way. When he was "pissed off"at you, he wasnt mad at you but simply the spirit in you.On the other side, he was a very nice person who was fun to be with, this is what snags you. The group lives on gossip and rejoices when one leaves and the pastor explains that God is just cleaning house. Sad part is the church council is hand picked, they are so afraid of the pastor that he uses the "I've been preaching for X ammount of years, who are you to tell me?" Kinda reminds me of when Job was questioned by God except we should never question the Lord. LOL. Well, I hope this help some of you out there, if you have any questions leave a thread and I will send a reply. And no, I am not afraid of letting people know who I am, the threats of the CFM are so childish And I know that God is alot bigger than what they can do. So plese, if you are in the CFm and are going to do your usual retaliation, save yourself the time and dont bore me with you threats and the your gonna burn doctrine. My bible says differant and besides, I stand on Gods word, not pastors. Have a blessed day | ||
| chewybean (chewybean) New member Username: chewybean Post Number: 2 Registered: 10-2005 Posted From: 152.163.101.12 |
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- TO IWASINTHERE :I AM SO GLAD JESUS LED ME OUT OF THERE FROM RON AND HIS DWARVES , I LEFT IN JULY OF 2004 I WAS THE LEAD GUITAR PLAYER IN RANSOM AND IN SERVICE I WAS ALSO IN CLEAN UP CREW . IT IS REALLY SAD THAT ITS A CULT BECAUSE IT REALLY HAS POTENTIAL TO BE THE REAL DEAL IT COMES SO CLOSE BUT THEY WONT LET GOD BE GOD .AFTER BEING FREE FROM THERE OVER A YEAR NOW GOD HAS REALLY DONE A MIRACULUS HEALING OF MY MIND AND HEART I AM HAPPILY MARRIED NOW AND MY BEST FRIEND JOE WAS LED OUT OF THERE WHEN HE WITNESSED WHAT WAS GOING ON . LIFE IS SO MUCH BETTER IN GODS GRACE I THANK GOD I DID NOT MARRY ANY ONE IN THAT CHURCH OR I WOULD HAVE HAD PROBLEMS FOLLOWING GODS LEAD . I AM LIVING A JOYFULL FREE LIFE IN CHRIST , HE DIED SO THAT I COULD BE FREE FROM ALL BONDAGE INCLUDING FALSE RELIGION . AT THE TIME I TOLD RON THAT MY MOTHER WAS SICK AND THAT I NEEDED TO SPEND TIME WITH HER AND THAT THE LORD WAS TELLING ME TO GET OUT OF RANSOM (THE BAND) . HE FLIPPED AND TOLD ME THAT I WAS UNDER DEMONIC INFLUENCE BECAUSE I WAS LEAVING RANSOM ,I HAD NOINTENTIONS OF LEAVING THE CHURCH UNTIL I WAS INTEROGATED BY RON . HE TOLD ME THAT IF I LEFT THE BAND THAT HE COULD NOT PROTECT ME FROM THE ANGER OF THOSE IN THE CHURCH THAT WOULD COME UPON ME . I DID NOT THINK THAT I WAS SO GREAT OF A GUITAR PLAYER THAT THE LACK OF MY PRESENCE WOULD CAUSE SOME TO HARBOR BITTERNESS AND THAT SOME WOULD NOT COME TO CHRIST BECAUSE OUR REMADE SECULAR SONGS WOULD NOT SOUND AS CLOSE TO THE ORIGINAL . HE TOOK ME OUT OF SONG SERVICE AND THEN JEREMY CALLED ME THE NEXT DAY TO PUT ME BACK IN . SO WHEN I QUESTIONED THEIR DESICIONS AND TACTICS I WAS NO LONGER WELCOME THERE . I CALLED JOE CAMPBELL TO LET HIM KNOW WHAT HAPPENED ( THINKING THAT HE WOULD ACTUALLY LOOK INTO IT) BUT ALL I GOT FROM HIM WAS THAT IF I WANTED TO STAY THERE THEN I WOULD HAVE TO APOLOGIZE . I ASKED HIM FOR WHAT REASON AND HE COULD NOT GIVE ME A STRAIGHT ANSWER . I ACTUALLY WENT TO SERVICE THAT WED NIGHT TO HEAR HIM ATTACK ME FROM HIS STAGE AREA . MY BEST FREIND JOE HEARD FIRST HAND WHAT RON WAS TELLING OTHERS ABOUT ME WHICH HE KNEW WERE LIES AND EXAGERATED ACCUSATIONS ( BEHIND MY BACK AS WELL) . RON DID A GOOD JOB OF TRYING TO PUBLICLY HUMILIATE ME WHILE NOT ACTUALLY MENTIONING MY NAME . HE EVEN HINTED THAT HE WOULD BE IN HEAVEN WHILE I WAS SOME WHERE ELSE TELLING ME THAT HE HAD WARNED ME . I ACTUALLY BOUGHT THAT NIGHTS SERMON TAPE SO THAT I WOULD HAVE A REMINDER OF WHAT JESUS LED ME OUT OF . SO TO ALL WHO HAVE BEEN LED OUT OF CFM -CONGRATULATIONS FOR OBEYING THE LORD . YOUR BROTHER IN CHRIST : CHRISTIAN | ||
| redjemima (redjemima) New member Username: redjemima Post Number: 4 Registered: 6-2005 Posted From: 203.153.240.6 |
hi chewy, i've commented on my time in Victory Chapel aka The Potters House here in oz on the Potters House sub forum. I have just started to read some of the articles here about harmful mind control, and i find myself agreeing with many things written. | ||
| chewybean (chewybean) New member Username: chewybean Post Number: 3 Registered: 10-2005 Posted From: 64.12.116.200 |
hello redjemima , I was attending the victory chapel in jacksonville ,florida under (false)pastor ron meyer . I attended for a little over three years and all the signs of a cult and mind control are in neon . looking back there were many examples of abuse that at the time i questioned but then repressed but i was never comfortable with alot of the practices going on . at the time i went in to that cult i was weak spiritually and emotionally becuase alot of stressfull factors that led up to me leaving the church i was attending . If you are still attending cfm ministies i highly suggest that you pray and start visiting with other members of the body . all of whom are not perfect but there are many whose agenda are not tainted with manipulation and doctrines designed to suck you dry financially and socially . There are many things that we can do to please the LORD and devoting our blood bought lives to corrupt and decieved men is certainly not one of them . your brother in CHRIST : Christian | ||
| iwas1ncthr (iwas1ncthr) New member Username: iwas1ncthr Post Number: 11 Registered: 10-2005 Posted From: 71.192.199.236 |
Hey Chewybean, What if he sat you down? Could the hands of Ron protect you from the angry people? You know who I am, as a matter O' fact you took my place when I quit unchained. My name is Dennis, I am 6'5 and full of tatoo's you may recall Ronald calling me a demond once or twice but I assure you, my family and I are doing fine serving the Lord. I am happy to hear that the Lord lead you out of that place. Ya know, Dan S. was my friend for over 20+ years, now the kid thinks I am the devil. Bad doctran, i hope one Ronald will open his eyes and come to repentance for what he is doing there. Haveing his boy wonder Jerry H is no help. This guy is like (mini me) except of Ron, darn shame the people replicate Ron instead of Christ.Any word on Nick? Last I heard he was beggin Ron to come back, of coarse I do not beleive that for a minut but hey, who am I ? Just one of the many who left Ronstown with the same storie. Ya know, in court when 2 or more peole have the same storie about someone, you almost always get a conviction, but in our case we have possibly 100+ people with the same storie from Ronstown alone. You might think after a while people would question Rons excuse for why (they)left the church. But this is the scary thing about a cult. Remember, how long did it take us to see this. This is what we have to look at when dealing with Ronstown. Only prayer will work and that is our job. We need to ask the Lord to soften our hearts over the hurts and pray for these people. Its easy to get mad at them and have a hard heart. Byt 2nd Corinth 13 tells us how it should be. Gods love will break the hurt in our heart and heal it so we can be effective when praying for Ronstown. Drop me a line I would love to talk to ya. Your brother in Christ Dennis | ||
| redjemima (redjemima) New member Username: redjemima Post Number: 7 Registered: 6-2005 Posted From: 202.189.69.178 |
chewybean, i am slowly learning alot from other ex-potters house members, reading their thoughts here on the internet. I think i was a little lucky though, from what i have been reading, as my old pastor was not as authoritarian and dogmatic as some others seem to be, from what i have read. In the books i am reading about religious mind control groups i have seen that there can be some differences between franchise churches depending on the leaders personality etc. My reading is helping me a great deal about understanding mind control processes in christian churches. | ||
| chewybean (chewybean) New member Username: chewybean Post Number: 4 Registered: 10-2005 Posted From: 152.163.100.200 |
hey iwasinthere ive havent logged on in a while but from what i have just read you are right jerry is mini ron and its sad how jerry gives ron way too much credit and takes constant abuse from him. but anyway the last i heard about nick was through jason m and i heard that nick was happily married and going to an assembly of god church . yea i have not heard anything from dan , he was a funny guy but he's zombified like the rest of them its a shame too because he came from a hard drug life just to fall into a cult , but at least he is away from the drug sceen and he knows about christ , they preach christ but then that christ leads you to worship ron . hopefully he will allow the lord to lead him away from there . i dont know if you are mistaking me for tod( bald lead guitar player for ransom) but he left as well before me i took his place . one day he just took a bus and left , got out of dodge . im glad to hear that you havent grown horns and a spaded tail. im glad that we were led out of there with the rest of them . your right we do need to keep them in our prayers . im sure you enjoyed christmas have a happy newyear . hope to hear from you | ||
| chewybean (chewybean) New member Username: chewybean Post Number: 5 Registered: 10-2005 Posted From: 152.163.100.200 |
redjemima, i havent logged on in a while sorry i did not respond sooner . but i agree with you that not all of the leaders are totally wacky control freaks some of the evangelist that i did meet were extremely difrent and even some of their sermons were contradictory to cfm beliefs . one of the greatest sermons that i ever heard was from pastor keith nicely , he did a revival that was totaly scriptural it was filled with grace and he did not bash other denominations he even said some good things about baptist he said that faith alone not works justifies us before God . i still have his revival tapes and truly he was different from most. i dont know if he is still with the fellowship or not but he was from the guam church. there was once an incredible evangelist who i heard there before who even talked about the fact that colledge education was a good thing and very positive about life and the Lord . i forgot his name but he ended up leaving the fellowship over differences but it was no suprise cause he was on the right track . i have been reading as well i just recently read a biography about martin luther king jr. he truly was an astounding leader and devoted believer . he actually practiced what he preached he got down from his pulpit and suffered with his people for what he knew was righteous . from what i read and heard of some of his sermons this mans life is definatley worth remembering and even following . i suggest reading about him ,his life really is inspiring and honorable . i really feel that in this past century he was that greatest servent leader . have a happy new year and stay blessed . | ||
| tmokoli New member Username: tmokoli Post Number: 1 Registered: 6-2006 Posted From: 24.129.26.131 |
I was at WalMart yesterday and this had been my first encounter with members of this church/cult who were passing out fliers and ministering to different people. Needless to say, the female who spoke with me was very rude and condescending to me which gave me a bad impression of the church. The people out there are supposed to reflect the image of the church because they are representatives in a sense and if they talk to people in that manner then that's something I don't want to be a part of. My first instincts of them are very negative from my encounter with this person from Victory Chapel on Normandy and if that's the image they want to project then they really need to pick better people to do the job--but it's too late for me because I'll never step foot there from the vibe I got from her. She accused me of playing name games just because of my inquisitive nature and wanting to know more and even went as far as to question my womanhood if I did not listen to her and agree with what she says. If I had been any less of a woman I probably would have slapped her silly. | ||
| methuselah Member Username: methuselah Post Number: 57 Registered: 1-2005 Posted From: 88.109.238.192 |
It's amazing the testimonies that come from all quarters about this nasty and controlling cult. I had ten years of that crap. Can you imagine that? NOW THE FELLOWSHIP HAS UNLEASHED ANOTHER ABUSER IN ERNIE TOPPIN. He was my old pastor and now he has become an evangelist. This man is extreme and unbalanced. One man left his church with psychiatric problems. He moved us to a new building becuiase he said that's where God would give us revival but he did it to safe money so he could claim a wage out of the church. There are a thousand stories I could tell. Some of them are on my web site which you can reach below. If anyone has any accounts they want to share about Victory Chapel, The Door or The Potters House then you can add them to the site forum. I check in there every day. Finally I just want to say that I hope those who have shared their experiences here are recovering well from what happened to them in that group. It can take a long time but there is truly life after the Potters House. God bless you...methuselah http://www.habakkuk2-4.com | ||
| methuselah New member Username: methuselah Post Number: 1 Registered: 1-2005 Posted From: 84.9.188.73 |
There have been TWO street chases in the last few weeks where disciples and pastors from tow U.K Potter's House churches have aggressively tried to stop people putting up posters exposing how much Walthamstow pastor Nigel Brown really earns. One of these incidents was clearly an attempted abduction. I have the full reports on the web. These religious militants need to be stopped before they really hurt someone. http://www.habakkuk2-4.com | ||
| chewybean New member Username: chewybean Post Number: 1 Registered: 10-2005 Posted From: 64.12.116.74 |
-VICTORY CHAPEL IS A CULT- Beware the dark Chapel that decrees victory. For inside it’s deep and hollow walls lie many miseries and lies that defy sanity. Go inside and after a time you’ll find the foul stench of dead dreams left behind by those who’s minds are manipulated, becoming mumbling monks they mimic their master. They worship this prevaricating puppeteer pastor, submitting themselves to his every desire, they bow at the feet of the one they call Meyer. Oh how they draw you to a lantern of light like a damned mosquito in its flight. They’ll draw you in by modern means, modern music, modern themes. Enter the arena and the war begins, the grand and secret show takes place within. Do not be taken by the impressive lights do not be taken with what they recite do not be taken by the pretentiously polite do not be mistaken ,it’s all to incite you to give your life , to an illusion , abandon your life, to dark delusion. Do you dare to be discipled by the blind? Do you dare to be led to a life confined? Following after Jesus is truly a worthy and noble cause but we must be mindful and wary, because there are many of those who go marauding abroad deceiving and defrauding with doctrines flawed. If we could ask the fly why he was caught in the web, he may say “ the beauty of the silk is now why I am dead”. For some it’s the geometric design for others its the invisible sticky lines that seem to trap the mind of the unsuspecting . Beware the dark Chapel that decrees victory, beware the cult of Normandy. | ||
| paul_bullough New member Username: paul_bullough Post Number: 1 Registered: 8-2007 Posted From: 82.33.33.61 |
hi all i just stumbled on your comments about the potters house fellowship, and i know that most of you know its not really a cult but your using that as an excuse of some sort, and whats all that about mind controll????!!!!???? try to be honest with yourselves and please grow up. | ||
| victory_chapel_christian New member Username: victory_chapel_christian Post Number: 1 Registered: 1-2008 Posted From: 65.240.191.195 |
I have something amazing to say about Victory Chapel. Pastor Meyer and his family is an outstanding exampleship of how a Christian should live their life. I know God is moving there and there is absolutely no question about that. If you have left there and are bitter, you need to repent, rededicate your life and serve God the way God says to. Not the way you WANT to. Let us be Christians and continue helping the lost find Jesus. We are not trying to make everyone happy, simply helping sinners find who they need, Jesus Christ. |
