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bicpen (bicpen)
New member
Username: bicpen
Post Number: 8
Registered: 6-2005
Posted From: 12.103.171.221
| | Posted on Monday, June 27, 2005 - 5:54 pm: | 
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To my buds Grinch and Bear:
(CHEAP and ROAR)
Gentlemen:
I have a rather old (among many) bibles called the "Restoration of Original Sacred Name Bible", “Basis for the Rotherham Version Revised by the Missionary Dispensary Bible Research” 3rd edition 1973 (1976). Not a JW publication. So I took the name "Restoration of Original Sacred Name Bible" in quotes, and put it into a Yahoo, search engine and the following page showed up with abouht 149 citations, though some are duplicates or sections of the same citation;
http://search.yahoo.com/search?p=%22Restoration+of+Original+Sacred+Name+Bible%22&toggle=1&ei=UTF-8&fr=FP-tab-web-t-1&b=21
I then chose ten out of about 15 that I was able to peruse to highlight here quickly. I mention two things; 1. None of these are JW publications, and 2. Some sites I do not agree with but, discuss the divine or sacred name etc. anyway. One site shows Jesus original name several times and states….Oh you can look it up yourself, in number 2 below. I figured, you could take issue with JW publications so, I simply took what I found, whether authoritative or not I don’t know, but most certainly when it comes to historicity it identifies the divine/sacred name and the issues surrounding the Jewish Customs and others, non use of the same.
Have fun….Maybe, more to come…….
1. http://www.innvista.com/culture/religion/bible/versions/snb.htm
2. http://www.tyndale.cam.ac.uk/scriptures/SNB.htm
“Give the program the commands to find all the occurrences of the word "Jesus" in the text and replace it with YHWHSHUA, Yeshua, Yasha, Yahshua, Iahushua, Yahoshua, Yahvahoshua, or whatever "Hebrew" name for Jesus this teacher prefers.”
3.http://www.alibris.com/search/search.cfm?S=R&wauth=Missionary+Dispens ary+Bible+Research&siteID=PmFI5OlCKw4-S0VpQh3dPi7OIFZz_dcUEA
I bought one from Amazon that used this fellow.
4. http://www.sacrednamemovement.com/snbibles.htm
Then see number 13 below. Though this brings you to number 3 above.
5. http://www.sacrednamemovement.com/
(Odd site but interesting)
6. The seventh listing on the yahoo search brings you to an advertisement site.
7. http://bible-truths.com/translate.htm
8. http://www.geocities.com/changes1611/name32.html
(A most interesting site)
9. http://www.battleoflife.org/versions.html
(Another most interesting site)
10. http://www.biblecollectors.org/tetragrammaton.htm
(This is also an interesting site-Check it out)
Tata for now.
Don |
bear (bear)
Intermediate Member
Username: bear
Post Number: 126
Registered: 4-2005
Posted From: 205.144.127.200
| | Posted on Thursday, July 14, 2005 - 12:25 pm: |
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Don,
I just found this post. I am familiar with the bible of which you speak. I examined it during my time in college.
The only problem is that none of the publishers can actually give proof in the original text. They make assumptions about its validity based on Hebrew tranlations into Greek.
Again, my debate is not over the name Jehovah or YHWH; it never has been. I am amazed that even the WTBS agrees that the divine name is nat always found in the original text, but rather that in can be assumed do to other publications.
Roar, that is cute! |
runaway (runaway)
New member
Username: runaway
Post Number: 1
Registered: 1-2006
Posted From: 68.33.154.52
| | Posted on Saturday, January 07, 2006 - 1:15 pm: |
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Just do not marry one unless you are one already. |
doncameron
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Username: doncameron
Post Number: 3
Registered: 8-2005
Posted From: 209.222.248.47
| | Posted on Wednesday, June 21, 2006 - 2:51 pm: |
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If you were to ask Jehovah’s Witnesses why they would refuse a blood transfusion they will explain that it is because of what the Bible says about blood. They usually refer to Acts 15:20 where it says "abstain from blood" and reason that transfusing blood is not abstaining from blood.
But they don’t realize that what the Bible says about blood is not the real reason why they refuse blood transfusions. That real reason only shows up when looking at what Jehovah’s Witnesses always do when the Watchtower Society stops teaching something. For example…
For decades they believed that it was "the Creator’s promise" in the Bible that the New World will be here before the generation of 1914 passes away. They said they believed this because of what Jesus said at Matthew 24:34 about "this generation will not pass away until all these things (including the New World) occur." But in November of 1995 the Watchtower Society stopped teaching such a thing. What did Jehovah’s Witnesses then do?
If the real reason they believed that teaching was because it was truly based on the Bible, then even though the Society stopped teaching it, Witnesses should have continued to believe it anyway. But they didn’t. They all stopped believing it the moment the Society stopped teaching it. What does this show?
It shows that the real reason why they believed that teaching was because that’s what the Watchtower Society was teaching. They started believing it when the Society started teaching it and they stopped believing it when the Society stopped teaching it. Therefore what the Bible says at Matthew 24:34 is not the real reason they believed it.
Again, this is what Jehovah’s Witnesses always do when the Society starts and stops teaching something. While they are teaching something they call it "a true teaching of the Bible." When they stop teaching it is called "old light." This is the way it works with this religion.
Is there any reason to believe that it is any different with the Society’s current teaching about blood transfusions? Do Witnesses believe that transfusions are against God’s Law because of what it says at Acts 15:20, or because this is what the Watchtower Society happens to be teaching at the present time? Here too the real reason will only show up if the Society ever changes what it teaches about blood transfusions.
Why are they so willing to change what they believe whenever the Watchtower Society changes what teaches? I feel that former Governing Body Member Ray Franz has the answer on page 296 of his "Crisis of Conscience" where he said…
"I believe that (all Witnesses) are, in effect, the captives of a concept. The concept or mental image they have of ‘the organization’ seems almost to take on a personality of its own, so that the concept itself controls them, moves them, or restrains them, by molding their thinking, their attitudes, their judgments…The …concept of ‘the organization’… becomes, in fact, the dominant, controlling force."
Without realizing it, their belief that the Watchtower Society is "God’s organization" – rather than the Bible - is what dominates and controls what they believe. That concept causes them to believe that whatever comes to them from the Watchtower Society is coming from God Himself since this is the organization he is using to teach them everything they need to know. As long as they believe that concept they will remain captives of it.
If the Watchtower Society ever does change its mind about blood transfusions, Witnesses may still continue to seek alternative forms if treatment for medical reasons rather than Scriptural ones.
Don at www.CaptivesOfaConcept.com |
dgrossoehme
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Username: dgrossoehme
Post Number: 1
Registered: 11-2006
Posted From: 64.136.49.227
| | Posted on Thursday, November 02, 2006 - 10:12 am: |
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There is a new Meet Up Group in Denver for Ex Jehovah's Witnesses. For infomation contact David at dgrossoehme@yahoo.com |
dgrossoehme
New member
Username: dgrossoehme
Post Number: 4
Registered: 11-2006
Posted From: 64.136.49.227
| | Posted on Monday, November 06, 2006 - 8:46 pm: |
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Hello, We have an excellent support group here in Denver for Ex Jehovah's Witnesses. If you have left the Kingdom Halls and are not sure which end is up or who you can trust come and join us. We are a support group of ex menbers and researchers. We are not afraid to think for ourselfs and do our own research. You are welcome here. Contact David dgrossoehme@yahoo.com |
solo
New member
Username: solo
Post Number: 2
Registered: 11-2007
Posted From: 90.198.107.20
| | Posted on Thursday, November 29, 2007 - 9:14 pm: |
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My partner suffers from bipolar and slso border line personality disorder she was very ill but with help from me and her conceler she has got much better.But she was in a cult through no falt of her own she was born into it her mother n step fathe are jw.She was subject to sexual abuse by her stepfather and his socald freinds her mother new wot was going on and some times watch.She ended up as aresult of this abuse geting pregnant at the young age of 10 bye her stepfather.She was made to have the child wich was handed over to another member of the familey to bring up it was keept quiet and she was never alowed to talk abt it but now every thing is coming out as I have got her 2 talk abt it but Im not sure where I need to go with it as Iam scared of wot may happen to her or even myself can any one help me or advise me pls.Im sorry abt my spelling pls forgive me as Iam dyclexic. |
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