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     dondi (dondi) Member Username: dondi Post Number: 57 Registered: 7-2005 Posted From: 69.225.244.91 |
will be here on earth? Because I had one come to the door; she was the newbie, you could tell; and I explained to her what the bible really said and they haven't come back. Kinda funny I thought. | ||
| bear (bear) Intermediate Member Username: bear Post Number: 213 Registered: 4-2005 Posted From: 24.176.6.74 |
The JW believe that only 144,000 will go to heaven; a blatant misinterpretation of Rev. However, the bible does teach that we will live on the earth forever, after the return of Jesus. | ||
| steelsword (steelsword) New member Username: steelsword Post Number: 13 Registered: 9-2005 Posted From: 207.192.2.34 |
bear , i beleive you to be correct in the sense that the New heaven and earth will be One. But in jehova witness theology the earth they live on will be seperate from the New Heaven , the outer courtyard. Seperate from the 144,000. | ||
| osirus (osirus) New member Username: osirus Post Number: 22 Registered: 9-2005 Posted From: 137.3.122.49 |
They seem like they live in their own little world. | ||
| true22698 (true22698) New member Username: true22698 Post Number: 9 Registered: 9-2005 Posted From: 68.119.37.215 |
jws are a dangerous cult in our area they are now made up mostly of blacks who seem to fancy the different cults that have restrictions. their houses of meeting are always fenced in with gates. | ||
| inkorrekt (inkorrekt) Intermediate Member Username: inkorrekt Post Number: 167 Registered: 11-2005 Posted From: 130.253.32.143 |
The JW believe that only 144,000 will go to heaven; a blatant misinterpretation of Rev"" Well, In the gospel of John, Jesus said that He was going to prepare a mansion for all of us. If this is true. we will all have mansions. If the JW gospel is true, then Bible must be false because, heaven will only accomodate 144,000 saints!!!!!!!!Ha,Ha,Ha,Ha,Ha,Ha, | ||
| themill (themill) New member Username: themill Post Number: 8 Registered: 2-2006 Posted From: 196.40.43.74 |
osirus::They seem like they live in their own little world:: No, all religion's live in their own little worlds. All religion's are false inkorrekt. | ||
| inkorrekt Intermediate Member Username: inkorrekt Post Number: 306 Registered: 11-2005 Posted From: 207.93.211.50 |
All religion's are false inkorrekt." THE MILL. Right on. Religion is bad for everyone. . God did not create Religions. Religions were created by man. Why? So that he can live inside his own little world.You are right on. However, there is one true God. He does not have any religion. God is good for everyone.He only wants to relate with people so that they can experience His love for mankind.It was the religion that killed God. | ||
| brian01 New member Username: brian01 Post Number: 1 Registered: 4-2007 Posted From: 87.194.49.160 |
They had better hurry then, Sainthoods are selling fast! Check ths out; www.144000saints.com It even has a write up in the Times http://business.timesonline.co.uk/tol/business/columnists/article1624027.ece | ||
| inkorrekt Advanced Member Username: inkorrekt Post Number: 923 Registered: 11-2005 Posted From: 205.169.120.148 |
The heaven for JW's and The New Testament Church can only accomodate 144,000 people. Where will the rest of "Saints" Go? | ||
| praetorian Member Username: praetorian Post Number: 79 Registered: 3-2005 Posted From: 70.89.75.242 |
inkorrekt: Did you miss me? You express, “The heaven for JW's and The New Testament Church can only accomodate [sic] 144,000 people. Where will the rest of "Saints" Go?” The Bible makes clear, that there will be Kings and Priests (meaning persons “chosen” from the earth [saints] to serve in a dual role capacity (meaning Kings and Priests). This is crystal clear in the Bible, which ever one you use! These King/Priests must Rule and serve as Priests to somebody? (Or the Bible simply mentions them for nothing) Who? Over other “saints?” Does that make sense? They will obviously need to have “subjects” that they will rule over (that is what a King or associate King does, right’ RULE) and also provide “spiritual” healing, for the benefits or services as a Priest, right? After all, that is what a Priest does right; provide Spiritual Healing. The ones (subjects) they will rule over are the people Jesus spoke about when he plainly said in the Sermon on the Mount, as recorded in Mathew 5: 5, “Blessed are the meek, for they will inherit the earth” in conjunction with what is says in Matthew 6:10, “your kingdom come, your will be done on earth as it is in heaven.” Note that meek people will inherit the “earth”, (as subjects to the Kings and Priests) and that this will be under the administration or government, of God’s “Kingdom” that will exercise dominion [obviously governmentally (Kings) and spiritually (Priests)] over the entire “Earth!” Think about this PLEASE; If Adam and Eve had not sinned where would they be today? Answer: Here on this earth, filling it as they were supposed to do, with a righteous human family, that would have never seen crime, cruelty, war, old age, sickness and death etc, living forever, or forever young, if you will! Now think about this: If God were to somehow trash that purpose (this is something imperfect humans do) and forgot about the earth and now take “everyone” to Heaven, he would be doing what humans do, admitting error, a mistake, (which He cannot do) as it says in the NIV, at Isaiah 45:18, “For this is what the LORD says, he who created the heavens, he is God; he who fashioned and made the earth, he founded it; he did not create it to be empty, but formed it to be inhabited he says: "I am the LORD, and there is no other.” In the end, this is simple; there are those (majority-subjects) that will be “saved” to make up a righteous human society here on earth, over which God’s Government will rule, by exercising authority over the earth, with Jesus Christ as King, that is to have other “Kings” and “Priests” (those “saved” to a Heavenly life) as the Bible clearly expresses these terms! And to think otherwise does not make “Biblical” sense! Note the term “Biblical Sense!” Again, in very simple terms, God is going to restore what Satan and his demons have damaged (His original purpose for “mankind”) by having one salvation, with two hopes, (earthly and heavenly) with the Kings and Priest in Heaven and the subjects here on earth! This is irrefutable in the Bible! P | ||
| inkorrekt New member Username: inkorrekt Post Number: 25 Registered: 11-2005 Posted From: 208.54.15.129 |
All your explanations do not address the question. Is heaven designed only to accomodate 144,000? | ||
| praetorian New member Username: praetorian Post Number: 18 Registered: 3-2005 Posted From: 70.89.75.242 |
Inkorrekt: The short and direct answer to this is NO! According to the Bible humans were designed and continue to be designed to live on earth! P | ||
| inkorrekt Junior Member Username: inkorrekt Post Number: 38 Registered: 11-2005 Posted From: 208.54.15.129 |
What happens when we die? | ||
| praetorian Junior Member Username: praetorian Post Number: 27 Registered: 3-2005 Posted From: 70.89.75.242 |
Inkorrekt: Do you really want to know or are you looking for me to make an error in my writings according to the apocryphal wrings of inkorrekt? Let me know! P | ||
| bear New member Username: bear Post Number: 17 Registered: 4-2005 Posted From: 24.247.157.3 |
Actually, all believers are Kings and Priests according to the scriptures. However, when we put it bluntly, the WTS teaches that all scriptures relating to this subject deal only with the annointed class. It is a matter of interpretation on the part of the WTS. Now, the bible makes it clear, in Revelation, that believers spend an eternity here on the "New Earth", not in heaven. Therfore, we do not spend eternity in heaven. | ||
| bear New member Username: bear Post Number: 18 Registered: 4-2005 Posted From: 24.247.157.3 |
cont... Also, it I must state that I am a former JW. I disassociated myself at the age of 19, after 1 year of college and my desire to join the USMC. I spent the past 15 years, after several years being out of church, in study of the JW's, their theology and organizational policies (though not in a vindictive manner). If ex-JW's would actually take the time to research the history of the society, which is so very important in order to understand the organization today, they would understand why the truth about the "truth" | ||
| praetorian Junior Member Username: praetorian Post Number: 32 Registered: 3-2005 Posted From: 70.89.75.242 |
Bear: I believe your comment on your experience and thoughts on this subject matter is fair and you do have a right to your opinion!Thank you! | ||
| crawly Member Username: crawly Post Number: 71 Registered: 8-2007 Posted From: 4.240.81.45 |
yes, the wicked jw leadership believe in heaven. they claim they are a select few, and everyone else may not participate in that. and also they teach everyone to not eat and drink the wine of the sacrifice of jesus in a demonic ritual where the whole congregation passes the wine and bread around, yet refuses to eat and drink. it was fist forbidden to eat and drink in 1935....... just recently they have now announced it is still wrong, but not to judge. and, if anyone disagrees with their wicked doctrines, they are disfellowshipped. | ||
| mariabee New member Username: mariabee Post Number: 9 Registered: 8-2007 Posted From: 64.85.244.43 |
I find it interesting that so many on this board talk about what the Bible does and doesn't say, as if there is one correct interpretation and the Bible is authoritative in some way. I respect this view, but find it interesting that so many ex-JWs are still involved with the Bible. I briefly went this way, but it didn't sit well with me. It was still too divisive and one sided for me. I believe the Bible is an important book and that Jesus is an important historical figure and quite likely an enlightened master for his time. Does any one else feel this way or even perhaps even more distant from the Bible and Jesus? | ||
| junefever New member Username: junefever Post Number: 21 Registered: 8-2007 Posted From: 67.172.116.155 |
The reason I think it's important for ex-jws to use the bible as a reference point when talking with jws is because the jws exploit their knowledge of (certain) scriptures to appear to be the only ones really reading it and understanding it. They think they alone have all of life's answers, based on the bible. They claim ex-jws just left because they couldn't live up to some standard they claim was set by God. However, when people actually reads the context of the bible passages, apart from the jw's published interpretations, they find that there are indeed many more plausible meanings to the scriptures. I believe it's important to highlight this fact becasue JWs insist that theirs is the only correct interpretation. That creates the basis for them to claim their beliefs are "bible based" where those of others are not. Whether you accept that the bible is inspired of God, or that there are inherent contradictions contained in it (e.g., the jealous, angry Jehovah of the OT, and the God of Love of the NT), or whether you reject the bible and Christianity entirely, that's not the issue IMO. The issue is to demonstrate that JW's claims, predictions, and practices, which often involve life/death matters and emotionally devastating family breakups, are not based on some accepted baseline for Christian religions: the teachings of Jesus and inspiration of God. IMO that helps people to avoid getting sucked into their web of being mind-controlled by negativity. It also helps them deal with the emotional abuse many people have suffered at their hands. | ||
| jlb New member Username: jlb Post Number: 4 Registered: 11-2005 Posted From: 216.193.176.98 |
I too, believe in Bible quotes, although they can be interpreted differently by different people. (I still like King James version) Speaking of disfellowshiping, or in my belief (excommunicate)I see passages about forgiveness---Matthew 6:14-15----also Mark 2:7 -"Who can forgive sins? ONLY GOD" Should man have the power to decide ones life? Or should that be between a person and GOD? After all man does not decide ones fate--GOD does. Aren't we being judgemental and are we not told "Judge not,that ye be not judged" Math:7:1. | ||
| jlb New member Username: jlb Post Number: 5 Registered: 11-2005 Posted From: 216.193.176.98 |
also--posted by another user --the word GEBENNA--OR GEHENNA. What is this and where is it found in the Bible? | ||
| praetorian Intermediate Member Username: praetorian Post Number: 252 Registered: 3-2005 Posted From: 70.89.75.242 |
Jib: It appears in the New Testament/Christian Greek Scriptures just over dozen times. There are various spellings like Gehenna, Gehena, Geena, etc, which is from the Greek form of the Hebrew word geh-hin-nom. This word is often mistranslated as Hell in English, I say mistranslated because Hell comes from other Greek and Hebrew words. The places you will find it in the NT is here below: Matthew 5:22, 29, 30; 10:28; 18:9; 23:15, 33; Mark 9:43, 45, 47; Luke 12:5 and; James 3:6. The word means Vally of Hinnom, which was the garbage dump in Jerusalem that was kept burning 24 hours a day with fire, and sulfur where criminals who were thought unworthy of a proper burial were thrown there! It is viewed as the general place where the wicked go, referring to permanent destruction--life with no hope of a resurrection, as opposed to the Bible Hell, where people are actually resurrected-brought back to life. Hope this helps! P | ||
| crawly Intermediate Member Username: crawly Post Number: 109 Registered: 8-2007 Posted From: 4.240.81.238 |
praetorian is posting more jw doctrine. heaven and hell is what jesus talked about... the wicked gov body of jws will go to hell because they are just lying false prophets who claim jesus appointed them to rule over all other christians because of some wicked numerology that they dreamed up...... they don't even care if the numerology is proven false by their own history. they know it is over most everyones head anyway. jesus warned about false prophets.... matt 24;24 |
