| Author | Message | ||
     Anonymous |
I have good friends who are amoung the Satanists on some internet groups. From what I here the rise in Satanism is due to it being a new thing. Like reality TV these days. In polls taken, and made by the Satanists they tend to vote a certain way to make themselves feel like their amoung people like them. In a poll they said they's perfer the kill the Pope rather than Pat Robertson with a gap of more than 50%. Either these people know very little (to hate Pat Robertson enough) or their just idiots that want to fit in. Ok, fair play to them, they have a religion that puts up a logical and fair arguement, but I fear that most of the teens into Satanism are in it to be apart of something. Vugo Jay Acra of Ireland | ||
| Douglas |
Read a book called "Hostage to the Devil" By Malachi Martin about exorcisms of 5 contemporary Americans | ||
| Douglas |
"You belong to your father, Satan. And you are eager to gratify the appetites which are your father's. He, from the beginning, was a murderer. And as for truth, he has never taken his stand on it. When he utters falsehood, he is only doing what is natural to him. He is all false. And it was he who gave birth to falsehood." Jesus Christ Note: At the time that was said the term murder had more the connotation of our term "blasphemy" or "desecration". | ||
| Dave |
Satan, Jesus, Zeus, Apollo, Aphrodite, and all the others in our collective minds are all myths myths myths figure it out. | ||
| Anonymous |
douglas, why do you think that trying to define satanists in the terms of the christian idea of satan has any relevance? dave, well done! anyone else. please actually RESEARCH satanism before spouting off anything about it. otherwise you end up saying something which is obviously rooted in ignorance and makes you sound more like a victim of brainwashing/mind control than the members of these groups which you are so opposed to. the only well thought out statement in this "conversation" is the first, which i agree with. i sincerely doubt that any true satanist would want to kill either the pope or pat robertson. much more satisfying would be to defeat them in logical argument, but even then- why bother? they have their (mistaken) beliefs and as long as they don't bother me i won't bother them. satan_ate_my_socks@hotmail.com | ||
| Damien (165.161.3.12) |
I have to agree with anonymous posted on january of 2004. People do need to reasearch any and all aspects of Satanism before ewven beggining to criticize about it.I myself am a devout Satanist, and I am a 16 year old high school student. I have researched since i was 12. I now know enough to consider my self a Satanist. All those who believe Satan is in all actuality a horned red beast is vastly misillusioned. Satan, in my theory, is simply all of our indulgences and "evils" in our lives. If any one wishes to continues conversing about this email me. | ||
| E.T. (198.144.44.5) |
Humans,please evolve. We will not come to your planet if you continue to exibit post simian psychosis. | ||
| Anonymous (4.242.204.200) |
Dave Jesus is far from a myth. Any idiot would know that he was a real person, unlike the others you listed. | ||
| Matt (81.152.209.110) |
Anonymous, Jesus was indeed a real person but whether or not he was the son of God is a matter of faith. I think that may have been Dave's point. Then again he should have made himself clearer. | ||
| Anonymous (203.63.151.31) |
Satanists do not want to be part of society (the majority being christian in one way or another) so they turn to the opposite of society (satanism) to help gain a better satisfaction of faith. This simply means they (as normal people) hate society so to turn against it they change to a cult that doesn't make sense and is farken stupid | ||
| Anonymous (217.42.51.149) |
www.churchofsatan.com Read the theory/practice pages. Or should I assume that you've already looked at this page seeing as you've already passed judgement on it? | ||
| Anonymous (63.230.18.103) |
RIGBY IDAHO, MANY OF ITS TOWNS PEOPLE ARE WORSHIPING SATAN AND POLICE DEPT, MAIN STREET BUSNESS'S LAWYERS, TEACHERS , THE POLCE DEPT KNOW WHATS GOING ON AND TURNS ITS HEAD BECAUSE THEY ALLOW ALOT OF THE CRIMES TO GO ON, ONLY BECAUSE THEY TOO ARE INVOLVED ..ONE DETECTIVE TOLD ME NOT TO LET MY CHILDREN WALK THE STREET OF MENAN IDAHO . SEVERAL CHILDREN ARE MISSING AS I AM TYPING , VANISHED WITHOUT A TRACE ..... | ||
| Anonymous (66.215.59.130) |
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| GodsServant (64.12.117.20) |
Douglas, First you say--> 1 then you say--> 2 Douglas, what do you mean??? are you for 1 or 2??? You can only say one or the other. NOT both. You have truly confused everyone in these boards!!! What did I say in the other board about confusion??? Well, its not of God thats for sure. GOD BLESS | ||
| Sharon (142.177.10.28) |
So you worship the Prince of Flys, big deal, he is a woosie compared to My God. If they were in a battle who do you think would win, oh wait we already know that. Then the question is why would you root for the losing side. You may think that you worship him but he is the one who put you where you are right now, he offers you no loyality, he laughs at your pain, and dances at the thought that you are his. But for YOU he does nothing. Why do you think he is called the Father of Lies, cause he lies to his children. I do know that he does not share his power with you, he only uses you to further his work. I hate that he has so many within his reach. By the way no Christian thinks of him with a red cape and horns, we know that he can appear as a beautiful woman or a young child. Our Lord has told us this, for Satan even tried to take him off the path but our Lord was strong and would not fall for his tricks. You see I have met the one you call Satan and it was not because I worshipped him it was because I was trying to escape the life that he had built for me. I wanted more than what he was willing give me, I wanted peace, instead I got hell, and he did everything in his power to stop me. Of course I blamed God for the whole mess, shook my fist at him, cursed him, even though I did not believe in him. Things did not get better, apparently God was less impressed with me than I was with him. Well of course I believed in Satan for there he was, talking trash to me, preforming the impossible, threating me, there was me screaming and crying, afraid of the dark, afraid of him, afraid of what I might do next. Not a pretty sight, but where was God, oh he was there but he did not lift a finger to help me. I was all on my own. Since I did not worship his royal pain in the kester i was not exempt from his trials. So I was fair game, he convinced me of lies and gave me power to misuse, of course I thought it was my power and I was a very powerful person, but all I did with my power is scare all my friends away so I was now standing alone, did not see that coming, then he took my power away and I was alone and powerless. Well one would think at this point I would turn to the Lord, no , I moved because you know the devil can not find you if you move. Well some how he was there waiting for me when I moved in, he did not miss a beat. Well I could not take it any more so I began to drink, that helped alot, i was much braver then. He never attacked me when I drank, i understand this now. If you are doing what he wants he leaves you alone, or maybe even pats your head. Oh yeah hes a prince, let me tell you somthing about your prince, he has no qualms about hitting women. I do not mean a love tap, I mean am I still alive, oh no I am,kind of beating. Have any of you here ever met your Prince, personally? Nice is he not, oh hes a charmer alright but here is the thing, take one step over the line and he will be exactly everything I say he is, you will be picking up the pieces of your life and trying to find a place where he can not find you. I can tell you that there is only one place and that is where I ended up Asking God to save me, which he did in the moment that I asked. That is why I am telling you this, if you ever want to walk away you will be attacked with the full force of satans might, he hates to lose and is a sore loser. He will bring all of his might down upon you. Do not make the mistakes that I made for they lead to madness, and pain. As long as you stay where you are you are safe from him, he does not go after what he already owns. Just remember this God will not step in unless you ask, that was the deal, and it still stands.After I asked the Lord took away all the afflictions that I had picked up in my travels. It is not that satan has gone from my life it is just he is sneaker now in his methods to get me to step off the road but I refuse to do that and he can not touch me. I hope and pray that you will remember my words if you are ever in a position to change your mind on your beliefs. Remember God created Satan and so if satan is real to you then logic will tell you his creator is also. Hard to believe that any one would not think of that but I did not. So I am telling you. If you are ever serious about this you had better be a brave clever person because you will be in for the fight of your life. Not for the faint of heart, but the strong shall be stronger after the battle. Test the waters and see if I am right. Ask God to show you satan and he will. See that is the difference he loves you and satan hates you. Satan made the rules for this battle and one was that God will not come to your aid until you ask. So check out what I say, maybe I am a liar and you can prove it, good luck. | ||
| SP (66.174.76.206) |
God bless you Sharon, you are so right on. It is always a good thing to see a Christain so willing to share their testimony. Keep up the fine work, Shane. | ||
| Anonymous (81.153.36.96) |
Wowie - Sharon you have really swallowed this man-made Jesus stuff hook, line and sinker. No wonder the world is in such a mess with so many suffering such fundamentalist spiritual immaturity. I feel very sorry for you. Bible in one hand and m16 (to force it down others throats) in the other eh! | ||
| Anonymous (81.153.36.96) |
"God bless you Sharon, you are so right on. It is always a good thing to see a Christain so willing to share their testimony. Keep up the fine work, Shane. " S'truth - this religious fundamentalism, it's like some sort of huge plague or disease that erodes logic, common sense and ordinary humanity. Scary! | ||
| Anonymous (81.153.36.96) |
“Well of course I believed in Satan for there he was, talking trash to me, preforming the impossible, threating me, there was me screaming and crying, afraid of the dark, afraid of him, afraid of what I might do next.” Um – yes, I wonder what many of today’s eminent physiatrists would make of such a ‘fascinating’ comment. There IS a word for it but the current laws of libel prevent me from stating it herein! However, I do extend the hand of sincere sympathy for any poor soul in such a twisted up state of mental inertia. Religion is quite often used like this to scapegoat other more pressing symptoms and this is a 'real' danger of such intolerant religious fundamentalism. It unfortunately hides the genuine cause of the inner troubles which continue to bubble up at some future date and create yet more distress. | ||
| Anonymous (172.147.65.88) |
81, your postings reveal alot about you. You are a very religious person. Your postings ooze with religionosity. You are like the pot calling the kettle black. Anti-religion is a religion. Atheism is a religion. Satanism is a religion. Stop shoving your religion down our throats! You are a very intolerant person. Anyone who does not believe as you do must have some phsyciatric problem. That is intolerance! That is bigotry! Look in a mirror and you will see an intolerant bigot! Too bad the only god you have to worship is yourself. My God is greater! | ||
| Douglas (68.192.60.127) |
172 Being that the heart of man is deceitful and Satan is the father of lies and a mass deceiver, how do you know your God or god is not Satan masquerading as Jesus. There are so many Jesuses, how do you know you have the right one? | ||
| Sharon (142.177.106.176) |
ANon 81... I see your problem, you know nothing about Jesus. He did not carry an M16. I see how you got confused, satan must have told you that, did you not know what a liar he is. Since I follow Jesus I do not carry one either. But if you are afraid that you will be swayed as obviously you are then you should not be reading things that are to much for you to understand, or ask God to help you understand. By the way man did not make Jesus, he can not even make a worm without God so I do not think that he could aspire to make the son of God. Just a hint you do not really get to rule in hell, satan is very stingy with his power and since you seem to be working for him I suggest you get your contract in writing. Make sure it is in a fire retardant box. And remember he does not honor any contracts. | ||
| Don Frazier (4.189.103.93) |
People who are ignorant refuse to do any real research on the reality of organized Satanism. "Where is the proof?" "Where are the bodies?" WHERE IS YOUR BRAIN?? Read "The Franklin Cover-up, then plug Paul Bonacci into a search engine. Or plug in Rupert Idaho and Satanism and see what your search finds. There are voluminous court cases for anyone who wants to take an objective look. | ||
| bee (4.238.11.92) |
Don, What is organized Satanism if I may ask? And also do you practice Satanism? Thanks. | ||
| Don (4.189.103.93) |
Gee...let's see...OH YEAH! I REMEMBER!!! it's satanists that are organized! and no. No, I don't mean to poke fun, you see, bee, basically organized satanism is a form of organized crime. If you were to research the subject by such well documented cases like the one described in John DeCamp's book "The Franklin Cover Up'" You would get an excellent first hand view of what organized satanism is. One of the principle victim's in the book, Pual Bonnaci, was awarded a million dollar settlement against Larry King for subjecting him to cult ritual abuse which is specified in the judgement. | ||
| Don (4.189.103.93) |
Oh, and by the way, "satan socks'" I completely agree with you about research. It's important that research includes all points of view objectively. I'm well aware of the false accusations made against innocent people and unscrupululous therapists, becuase I do research in the proper way. It's important to investigate wether or not there are any claims that may be accurate, rather than only basing your research on the points of view agree with. I also recommend you look into the "Baby X" case in Southern Idaho and then bring your discussion to the table. Thank you. | ||
| bee (4.235.9.174) |
Don, So are you for or against Satan Don? "satan socks"??? What did I say about research? Am I missing something here? Thanks. | ||
| Douglas (138.89.136.79) |
Apparently Don is against Satanism. He calls organized satanism a form of organised crime. Sharon I really dig your posts! | ||
| Ball of Fluff (24.17.18.246) |
And, no, it's not necessarily true that "any idiot" knows that Jesus existed. There are a few independent mentions of an historical Jesus of Nazareth, but, in the main, what we have are the gospels and most of them were written long after he lived and died. So a lot of people question the composite characterizations attributed to Jesus of Nazareth. So he has taken on mythic proportions. | ||
| Don (4.189.98.79) |
Actually, Ball of fluff, there is more historic non-religious text affirming the existance of Jesus Christ than that of Julius Ceasar. In reality, even the 4 gospels satisfy any and all requirements to be considered historic documents. They weren't actually written as "religious texts." They are historic accounts which were later reguarded as affirming spiritual beliefs and principals. The fact that the scriptures are used by Christians as evidence confirming their faith has no relevance to it's historic value. The existance of Jesus is confirmed by secular historians such as Jocephus(sp?) Also, Satan socks has nothing to do with you. "Satan Socks is a reference to an earlier post by someone going by (@ least their email)"Satan ate my socks@ hotmail.com"-also, all history is written after the fact and is not challenged, only when it's Christian. | ||
| Douglas (141.153.156.138) |
Although we don't have original coppies of the gospels it does not mean they were written long after Jesus lived and died. We have coppies of of all of Paul's epistles that are dated about 20 to 30 years after Paul wrote them. The Khaboris manuscripts are from about 300 but are coppied from the original languages. Many or most of these writers are people who died for what they claimed to be eye witnesse to. I'd rather do my own translating but I believe the evidence pretty strong that the originals were accurately coppied. There are also codes and themes in the scripture that are hidden to the causual observer but create many levels of insight like looking at a slide rule to see what lines up, and it does line up like nothing else in existence. | ||
| Ball of Fluff (24.17.18.246) |
http://pages.infinit.net/adagio/en/GOSPELS.html Interesting article | ||
| TPFKASOF (66.26.203.193) |
At the risk of being accused of great wickedness - or worse - I'd like to recommend: http://www.jesusneverexisted.com Interesting website | ||
| Douglas (141.153.158.224) |
Thanks Ball of Fluff, interesting. TPFKASOF I used to read a lot of similar stuff about the Old Testament about non existent cities and some or much of what was denied existed, later was found in archeological digs. This site says that Ninevah never existed until about 200 AD or something like that. There seem to me to be contradictions. If it was made to be a myth why wouldn't they use the name of real cities? Stuff like that. I also don't find it strange that the "Lord's Prayer" is found in different parts of the Jewish scriptures. I'm not impressed nor offended by it. I've been reading that kind of thing for many years. My understanding of God is more than through a book or history. When I read the scriptures I see in them alegories that reinforce my understanding of where I come from. I also see God in the laws of physics and find a way to stand back and watch my thoughts objectively from a place of stillness in my mind and God speaks to me from that stillness. Interesting to see their posture but not phased by it. Thanks | ||
| Don (4.164.240.37) |
It strikes me as odd that people want to deny the existence of someone that is so well documented by NON-Christians. I have found that people who do not believe in Christ actually do, as all atheist believe in God. There is no such thing as an Atheist. Never has been. It's entirely a resentment, hatred, or anger towards God and those who follow Him. Anyone who really believes Christ did not exist, cannot believe in the existence of a great many figures of world history that they take for granted. I think that there would be a site call "Jesus never existed" completely confirms that the nature of these rejections are purely emotional i.e., you will never see a site called "Ceaser never existed.com" etc. If there actually were atheists, they wouldn't concern themselves with religion at all. I think it's good that people who are non-believers come to this sight and others because they are searching. They know something is missing, otherwise they would not be attracted to this site. They need to be prayed for and loved. There truly is no one who believes that Jesus does not exist, because of the people they do belive existed-on flimsy evidence. | ||
| Ball of Fluff (66.107.60.82) |
Oh, there are plenty of atheists. You're projecting emotions onto a whole lot of people you don't know. I've known many atheists who were not angry or all pissed off at "god" or any other deity. They just didn't think there were any. They do seem to know something's missing but they consider that this missing element is a figment of the imagination of others. As to "Christ" (which wasn't actually his name)- well, some people think there was such a man but he wasn't god. Some others think there wasn't such a man. Some think there was and that he was god. I think there was such a man, that he had a fantastic message, but that he was no more god than anyone else. I've been talking to Satanists on other boards and am given to understand that what person X calls "Satan" isn't going to be what person A calls "Satan". The people with the black masses, etc, are generally disenfranchised and angry ex Catholics who've then decided to do everything they were told was bad or harmful, worship the very entity they were told was the root of all evil. Other Satanists consider the force known as Satan to be something entirely different. Many of them are practitioners of magick, paganism, etc. As a former Christian, I'm rather surprised that they'd still be using the term/name "Satan" but I'm sure there's a reason. (If I were pursuing magick and other entities, etc, I wouldn't be calling it that, myself. But everyone has a different approach to these things.) I was pleased to find out that not every Satanist is someone hoping to tap into the forces of evil and darkness, but, rather, are seekers. It's not my road, but I do approve of the use and practice of magick and occultism. | ||
| Sharon (142.177.9.81) |
Fluff.....Yah stick that bunch of atheists on a bus going over a cliff and see how many scream "Oh God Help Me" You would be very surprised. It is not that confusing, Satan is the prince of Darkness, if you are a satanist you worship the prince of darkness. . IF you call your self a christian you belong to christ, if you call yourself a satanist you belong to satan. Any one seeking satan will find him, and he will guide you but when you try to disconnect yourself from him it will be alot harder than it was to connect to him. If the satanist were not looking to tap into the powers of darkness from the prince of darkness what is it that they are seeking that so pleased YOU. | ||
| TPFKASOF (66.26.203.193) |
Dear God, save me from your followers~ | ||
| Douglas (68.162.56.46) |
I'd take issue, Sharon, that people who call themselves Christian belong to Christ. I'd say the majority don't. "Many will come to me and say Lord Lord ..." I have met a lot of people who call themselves athiests who believe there is some kind of "God" but don't know what God is. The early Christians, I am told by a friend who studied history in seminarry, were considered to be athiests because they did not worship any of the Roman idols. The jewish story of Abraham smashing the idols and saying it was the bigger idol that did it, Abraham was considered an athiest. Often I'd say people who claim to be athiests are closer to God for rejecting this world's gods than many who claim to be Christian or religious. | ||
| GodsServant (152.163.101.12) |
To whom it may Concern: It is so SAD that people reject God(Jesus,Holy Spirit) knowing how the earth is so perfect. It is also SAD that even though the BIBLE explains everything from the beginning until the End, people still reject GOD. Its just so very SAD how anyone can overlook so many details in the Bible, for it explains even the smallest of details such as, THE RAINBOW. Also, THE MOON/SUN. I pray God will have his way with all who do not know him. GOD BLESS | ||
| Don (4.163.157.109) |
Exellent point Sharon, as they say, there are no atheist in fox holes. | ||
| Ball of Fluff (66.107.60.82) |
Sharon,Don, et al... I know quite a few people who, when in very bad situations, did not, in fact, pray in their metaphorical foxholes. And, to me, it's neither here nor there because, as CS Lewis could tell you, it's what a person does and believes every day that really makes him a Christian, an atheist, whatever. According to your beliefs, others are damned by your god. You posit the objective and empirical existence of a deity whom some refer to as "God", or "G-D", Yahweh, Jehovah, etc. Others refer to that posited deity as Allah, and still others say that's a different deity entirely. Well, those are your beliefs. You may think others will be damned or that they're rejecting something that really exists- but not everyone has the same opinion on it. And that's all it is. Opinion. Faith based opinions. I can opine that Zeus, Yahweh, Jesus, Allah, Odin- whatever- prevail and rule but, in the end, that's opinion. As to what I said earlier- yes, I feel it's up to the individual to ascertain what he believes in. Not everyone reaches the same conclusions as you. I would suggest that people of faith confine their worry over who's doing what to their own homes and families and let others figure it out for themselves. You can't make choices for other people. Now, are there any more actual Satanists willing to come here and discuss their beliefs, practices, etc, or are we to only hear from non Satanists going on at great length about their deity of choice? | ||
| Anonymous (65.219.238.146) |
question...if you believe in the 'chosen' son, don't you have to believe in the 'fallen' one as well? i am sooooo very not an xian, nor a satanist, but i think if you're going to believe in one, you have to acknowledge the other. i am going to get slammed for this aren't i? i am not hiding behind 'anonymous' though; just can't register online at this time. peace, zee | ||
| Sharon (142.177.103.128) |
No you will not get slammed for this, what you said makes great sense, for it is the truth. Fluff you did not answer my question, what is it that the satanist are searching for from the Prince of darkness that pleases you so. Being in a bad situation is not the same as being in a bus on the way over a cliff at all. Personally people can believe whatever they like but if they say something they should be able to back it up. I do not care who is a satanist and who is not, but if you say a satanist does not worship satan then I want you to tell me how you came to such a conclusion. Where are the facts. Who do they worship, that sort of thing. I am interested, I am not just trying to be a pain. Douglas... I did not mean it in that sense, for there are many sects of people calling themselves christian who do not do as they should but they do not call themselves christian and worship the devil, nor would satanist call them selves satanist and worship Jesus. That is what I meant by that. I was only really interested in what it was that satan was handing out that was not part of the force of darkness, not evil. Nice to see you here though, keeping us all honest ah. Don.... right . thanks, I shall remember that, I had forgotten about the foxholes. | ||
| Anonymous (24.39.137.146) |
Well thank you Sharon! On other boards I have gotten the living daylights kicked out of me just for suggesting that both sides have to be considered. peace, zee | ||
| Sharon (142.177.103.128) |
Don... There are still those who deny that Hitler killed six million Jews, even though it is the most documented piece of history in the world. Not only that there is living witnesses, trials, photos, and bodies. But still there are those who refuse to believe. I like to think of them as people who just can not believe that people could ever treat each other in such a manner but I have found to my dismay that most of them are racist just like the people who they are defending. How much less would they believe in Christ, I am not saying that people who do not believe in christ are racist, just that evidence does not make believers of those who do not want to believe. | ||
| Anonymous (24.39.137.146) |
Sharon: There was an interesting religion that did not take off (except in the UK) called "The Process" wherein on Judgment Day, Jesus came down and handed out the judgments, Lucifer seconded them, and Satan carried them out. Always made a bit of sense to me. I'm not an athiest, per se, I just like to see all sides (and studied theology in university too!) peace, zee | ||
| Ball of Fluff (66.107.60.82) |
Sharon,That is because your question has nothing to do with anything I've thought or said. Which makes it a "do you still beat your wife" question. So as to the prince of darkness yadda yadda "pleas(ing) me so"- not applicable. Not what I said. As far as Satanists not worshipping Satan- that's what they tell me whenever I go to a forum and discuss it with them and it's what their websites say. What happened early in Church history was that a lot of things were labelled as Satanic or attributed to Satan that were actually pagan, belonged to some elder pre Christian religion, etc. The horns and pitchfork? That's Neptune. One hears of people having black masses, etc. It's nowhere near as widespread as various hysterics make it sound. (remember the McMartin preschool scandal that spawned a whole cottage industry of witch hunting wherein lives and careers were ruined?) BUT I have actually heard of SOME actual devil-worshipping-me-and-Satan-are-palz type Satanism. And that is generally pissed off ex Christians (usually ex Catholic) doing everything they've been told not to do and deliberately going over to the dark side. The majority of people calling themselves Satanists are occultists and pagans who do not hold black masses or any of that. And that's been documented. No one would know more about what he or she means by something than that particular person. | ||
| Douglas (141.153.134.208) |
So Ball of Fluff Are you saying that Satanists don't worship Satan like pianists don't worship pianos, just play their skills on them? Zee Of course if you believe in Jesus you acknowledge the existence of Satan. I don't believe that most people who follow or worship Satan see themselves as Satanists. Many of them don't believe he exists and many of them follow him thinking they are following Jesus but it is really Satan disguised as an angel of light, I suspect Jesus being one of his favorite alias's but having many other forms. | ||
| Sharon (142.177.75.32) |
Fluff this is what you said... I was pleased to find out that not every Satanist is someone hoping to tap into the forces of evil and darkness, but, rather, are seekers. ... Since you did not remember saying it I take it that you did not really mean it or you can not explain it. You believe what the Satanist tell you, satan is the Father of Lies and you believe his followers when they say they are satanist but do not follow satan? That is how so much swamp land in florida was sold. Evils greatest weapon is goods own innocence. Some people may be following satan and not know it, and if you asked them they would say no I do not follow him. But if you call yourself a satanist and then say you do not know who he is or that you do not think he exists then I say that is a lie. But the big question is would a satanist tell a lie? Pitchfork, satan does not need one he has a forked tongue. He call names, and points fingers at others, say ex catholics. It is not what goes into your mouth that damns you but what comes out of your mouth. Occultists call themselves occultist, not very many people call themselves pagans. Witchs can be pagans, but they are not satanist. But if a witch worships satan she is a satanist who happens to be a witch. It is not a power struggle because satan demand total control. Douglas.... A pianist playing on a piano has no worry that the piano has the power to send them to hell, to play with a piano is one thing to play with satan that is another. It will also not rise up and beat the life out of them. The danger is that if you do not know who satan is but play with him anyway your innocence does not matter, and he wins. Can you imagine how happy satan is to hear that satanists are really just misguided people looking for a different road. We are not talking about people who follow satan, we are talking about the people who call THEMSELVES satanist. There is a big difference. Most of the world follows satan, but in ignorance. | ||
| Ball of Fluff (66.107.60.82) |
Sharon, Of course I remember what I said. And what I didn't say. You asked me
I'd already made my comemnt. I said:
It says what it says. What it doesn't say is what are they seeking from the Prince O' Darkness that (you claim) "pleases (me) so". I did not posit a seeking from the Prince of Darkness; nor did I posit subsequent pleasure from yours truly. I'm not a Satanist, I've not claimed to be one, and I've been speaking of them in the third person. I've known quite a few people who called themselves "pagans". Had that not been the case, I'd not have referenced such in my earlier commentary. As to people "following Satan but not knowing it"- I'm pretty much of a mind with CS Lewis in his allegory in "the Last Battle". As to the rest, see previous posts. | ||
| Sharon (142.177.72.68) |
Fluff this is what you said... I was PLEASED to find out that not every SATANIST {Satan By the way is the Prince Of Darkness}is someone hoping to tap into the forces of evil and darkness, but, rather, are seekers. Fluff... are seekers of what? What are they seeking? There are two kinds of people,those who say to God "thy will be done" and those to whom God says "alright have it your way." CSLewis | ||
| Sharon (142.177.72.68) |
Anon 24... That could work, in the end old nasty boots would get what he wanted and everyone else would get a fair shake. I always thought that how we judged others is how we would be judged was the best plan. Keeps one on the straight and narrow. Makes the world a more tolerant place. Studied theology, I am jealous. I like Yaakov do not believe that you have to believe to be saved. Hell of a thing for a christian to say but since it happened to me I have to believe that the same could happen to anyone. When Christ said he was the way, the truth and the life he meant that the way he lived, and alot of people who have never met Christ live as he did, by nature. They are living the way he did, that is the truth, and the life. Many Christians do not believe this but many have not been saved as I have. I had no faith in christ but I asked God to save me and he did. No ifs ands or buts. So if it is true for me than it can be true for others. What is the most amazing thing you learned in theology. Does not matter what religion it is. Something that stuck with you? Did you plan to follow that path? | ||
| Don (4.163.157.212) |
Everyone seems to want to add dismissive terminology to the thought of organized satanic groups, yet I haven't had any takers willing to examine without a predetermined outcome the possiblility that people could be evil and conspire to do evil things. Would a child pornographer be more likely to be a sincere satanist or a devoted Christian? The Satanists that blabber on this site are like "Satan lite" Do people honestly think that there aren't people who worship the devil? Could anybody look into the Franklin Cover-up, or Paul Bonacci? Has anyone really familiarized themselves with the McMartin School case, and what ground penettrating radar and excavation later revealed? I know by now everyone thinks I'm a conspiracy nut, and Christians hate to deal with the issue as well. I understand what you're saying, Sharon, but I still think if people are forced to examine the facts it will at least make them think. Check out the story of Jonny Gosch. This is an ugly subject that people can't face. Curiosity will get the best of somebody brave enough to take look. I suppose "snuff" films don't exist either... | ||
| Ball of Fluff (66.107.60.82) |
As I said, not every Satanist worships the Prince O' Darkness.And that's what I was pleased about. Which I said. Try rereading my posts. | ||
| Don (4.163.206.68) |
I stated just that. Just as many Christians don't worship the Christ Jesus, but that negates their Christianity, the lack of worshiping the devil negates a satanist's satanism. After all, what would a person be called who worshiped satan? Logically, it wou be "satanist." | ||
| Ball of Fluff (66.107.60.82) |
Not everyone has the same conception of Satan or the same approach to Satanism. Most of the Satanists I talked to don't worship any entity. Therefore service to the Prince O' Darkness, whether or not it comes with a contract,a 401k,whatever- would not be applicable. Just as people who say they do not worship Jesus or JHVH but seem to uphold the precepts of Christianity still do not get any credit for being Christian, then neither would a Satanist who did not practice devil worshipping. It seems that a lot of people make false assumptions as to what Satanism is and then are unwilling to accept the answers of those who practice it, per their documents, websites, books and commentary as it occurs. Yet if a Christian's word for what he worshipped and did not worship were not taken, I think some would have a real problem with that... | ||
| Sharon (142.177.7.215) |
Fluff... I still did not hear what the Satanist you know are seeking but these online Dictionarys gave me an idea of what the rest are after. I only picked the main ones so you could check it out for yourself. Sounds like a nice bunch you are defending. Webster's Dictionary Main Entry: sa·tan·ism Pronunciation: 'sA-t&n-"i-z&m Function: noun Usage: often capitalized 1 : innate wickedness : DIABOLISM 2 : obsession with or affinity for evil; specifically : the worship of Satan marked by the travesty of Christian rites - sa·tan·ist /-ist/ noun, often capitalized Web Free Dictionary Noun 1. Satanism - the worship of devils (especially Satan) Britannica Online satanism worship of Satan, or the devil, the personality or principle regarded by the Judeo-Christian tradition as embodying absolute evil in complete antithesis to God. This worship may be regarded as a ... | ||
| Sharon (142.177.7.215) |
Don... I so do not think you are a nut, as a christian I am shocked at the satan lite stuff I hear here. I am fully aware of the dangers of this new, Satans not really that bad stuff, and Hiter was not really a monster, just misunderstood. It is more frightening than Satan of years ago, at least people knew who he was and what it was he wanted. I did a paper many years ago on ritual killing and while not as many practice that, it is clearly the Satanist who are at the forefront of the party. Usually small animals can take the place of people. Most satanist are children, or teenagers I should say, which to me are children. It is for them that I fear, they think it is a cool way to rebel or they are already so hurt that they hate the world and satanism is the way to power. By the time they realize it,they are up to their necks in alligator soup. Those that grow into adulthood are the most dangerous, for they have been so lost that there is no way back without help. The good thing is as children most fall away. It is the number one church that loses its adhearents at the quickest rate. Join, Yikes ,leave. But the ones that do not leave are the most dangerous people in the world. The lost. The symbols are clearly all about hating Christ and God. I have read the santanic bible and the lords prayer is in it, backwards just like in the movies. If you really want to know about satanist read their bible. It is a real eye opener. It saddens me that lives are so destroyed that children turn to that evil creature, I hate him for that, but he is clever and we are not always that smart. But he will be the loser in the end, but the suffering till then goes on. See what it takes to be a satanist and you will know that only those who really believe could do what is needed to become a satanist, no weak of stomach there, but be ready to be grossed out. Maybe you already know so you know why I will not say these things here. How is it that you know his royal grossness so well. Have you met? | ||
| Ball of Fluff (66.107.60.82) |
As I said, the Satanists with whom I talked were not interested in evil or hangin' with any devils or demons. They aren't devil worshippers. Therefore they are doing something different but you guys are getting hung up on the name. I said I was pleased that they aren't interested in darkness, evil, devils, etc. They are interested in occultism and magick. I have already said that. I have already said that I think there's nothing wrong with that. Not all occultists and magicians practice the well known and notorious parody of Christianity that a few estranged and disenfranchised former Catholics practiced- the stuff with the black masses, etc. If you met someone who claimed to be a Christian but whose depiction and description of Christ and Christianity did not match those of those who accept Yeshua Ben Yusef as the son of God, as their personal savior, as the one who died for their sins and if that person said that was not his God, then you would not go about describing him as being a worshipper of Jesus, later known as the Christos, (the anointed one.). Same with this. So, yeah, I was pleased to discover (Yeah, one MO' time, folks...I seem to have to repeat myself a lot on this...perhaps people are hoping if they try to trip me up enough that I'll say what they expect or want me to say...)that most people who call themselves Satanists are not into devil worshipping, black magick,pain, harm, etc, but, rather, are just occultists, some of whom describe themselves as pagans, some of whom do not, and, further, that very few Satanists are into hangin' out with any fallen angels, real or imagined. | ||
| Carey (152.163.101.12) |
Douglas: As for “how do you know you have the right one?” For anyone pondering that question, I tell you if I was a gambling person, I’d put my money on the horse that is white. But that is me, and I guess we all have to make our own CHOICES. But since it is your eternal destination you are gambling with here, you might want to examine that question carefully and make sure YOU come up with the answer you best feel comfortable with (the Bible can give good insight) - unless of course you don’t believe in eternal life (heaven or hell) - in which case I guess you’ll find out when the great equalizer comes knockin’ at your door - and it will! GodsServant: Great to hear from a Spirit-filled Christian! Don: You are so right - but people are blind - “don’t throw your pearls to swine” (Ball of Poof or Foo Foo or whatever - you can find that in the Bible if you ever care to pick it up -which I pray you will. Don‘t worry there will come a day when you will know the truth. Unless of course you refuse to believe that too - that THERE WILL come a day.) Don, those are the kind of people that would let a bird poop on their head and insist that it was raining warm marsh mellows, take their finger, touch it, smell it, and taste it AND STILL tell you it is a warm marsh mellow. So just let them think whatever - but be praying for them. Sharon: You go girl! Let them puke! You don’t need to try to pick up their vomit - they are doing fine swimming in it (they have just swam in it for so long they don’t realize they stink!) Satan blinds many into believing they are actually very fragrant! Damien: The Devil is always looking for an open mind to use as his workshop (obviously from reading some of the posts on this site) I’d be careful keeping your mind too open. If I walked up and put a gun to one of your loved one’s heads and pulled the trigger, would you consider that to be of God or of Satan or would you just wonder about it and “keep an open mind?” There is no in between. There is good and there is evil. ALWAYS. There ARE two masters. Which one do you serve? There IS NO IN BETWEEN. JUST THE FACTS: There was a man that came over 2,000 years ago that is STILL so controversial MILLIONS and MILLIONS still talk about Him and through the centuries have talked about Him. Doesn’t that say anything for that ONE man? My analytical/rational side tells me that who this man was, He MUST have really and truly been someone or done something EXCEPTIONALLY GREAT. My analytical/rational side tells me there was something about this man that I should definitely pay attention too. And when He came, since His intentions were not of greed or for personal gain in anyway, His intentions were not evil in any way, my analytical/rational side tells me I should pay attention to why this man did what He did - what were His intentions? He was definitely worth looking into, because THERE HAS BEEN NO OTHER that has come EVER that was so controversial. His actions/intentions are what need to be carefully examined to get to the truth (which is what should be considered with ANYONE when you are looking for or care to know the truth). How could this man come and be so kind and loving and perform all the miracles that he performed and ask for nothing, completely humbled himself and KNOWING he was going to die if He stuck by His story that He was the Son of God, still felt compelled to die anyway? He stuck 100% to His cause - straight to death. Common sense tells me He was either crazy (but honestly believed in His cause) or He was truly the Son of God. One of the two. But the miracles cannot be ignored. Not one after another after another. And His intentions/actions cannot be ignored. Wanting to know the TRUTH is what brought me to the Bible - as obviously it has many others. Those not wishing to seek the truth hide from it because they prefer to live a life that is unrighteous. I did it myself for a long time. Until I came to know the truth. So they come up with every excuse in the book and CONSTANTLY justify their behavior, CONSTANTLY justify their words to make themselves feel warm and cozy and justified inside (right fluffy ball?) Better to live in sin and reason out why it is so much better, huh? Satan has blinded your eyes. But one day they will be opened and you will then come to know the truth. It will just be too late to change your mind. SEEK OUT WHAT IS GOOD AND RIGHTEOUS! Then you WILL KNOW you are on the right path. Is that so hard to understand? Yes, easy to understand - but not so easy to want to do. The truth always tends to offend those that perfer to live an unrighteous life, and they start puking. The truth brings out the cock roaches that miraculously have obtained an IQ over 300 - and they let you know it. So, ok,let's hear some more excuses and justifications. After all, it really does rain warm marsh mellows, right? The truth really is simple. | ||
| Jenny Cox (68.62.250.176) |
This is the first time I have ever been on this site.If this is for young people only I should not be here. No matter what the age, I have to tell you,YES there are people who are controlled by satan. The people I know do it secretly and these are people who put on a differnt face to the community.These are people in all aspects of life.They willfully choose to sell there soul. I know. Please, do not just dabble in this. Your life will be destroyed.I know. I loved very deeply a man who today would wish for his life to be different. He feels there is no way out and this is a hidden part, however active part of his life.Satan is real and I know how satan operates. This is so real I just want to write and tell so much, however I know I do not have all the space. I thank God everyday that through the prayers of my family and friends God opened my eyes. I never thought I could be brainwashed. I was!I know all of their secrets. I know so much however they cannot get to me because Through the blood of my Christ I was covered and protected. These people have no joy. God lets us lead our lives the way we want. We even have the choice to deny him. Gods people do have a choice. Some of our choices are not always good. Satan however does not give you a choice. You cannot go back and forth to him. Once he completly has your soul, He will not let you go. Your life is no longer yours. He has complete control.I have seen both sides . Why would anyone want to be on the darkside. I KNOW WHAT I AM TALKING ABOUT. Please, I beg you,do not go there. | ||
| Don (4.163.157.246) |
I think you are right on target, Carey. The puking and the bird poop kind of scared me though. I'm glad you don't think I'm a nut Sharon. It's funny how the fluff refers to how benign these so called satanists are by refering to "MAJICK" The devil is a great deceiver-MAJICK- is straight from Alester Crowley. If they believe in the teachings of Mr. Crowley, then they certainly believe in evil and practice it. If someone proclaims that they are a Christian but do not serve Christ, they are not Christians. If someone says they are a satanist and satan is not there master, they're not satanists. I'm not getting hung up on a name, after all, we are talking about "satanists" and fluff is defending people who have their own esoteric belief system, but want to use the name "Satan" for shock value. Do you really think a real satanist would be on this sight? | ||
| Don (4.163.157.246) |
JENNY, thank God, you are the only one that really seems to know what I am talking about! Thank you for coming on this site. People just have no idea just how big Satanism really is. I've witnessed the power of Satan and his power is so far beyond what we can comprehend that if people really new, they would'nt come near it. But compared to the power of the blood of Jesus, Satan is powerless. I hope we continue to hear from you, Jenny. The truth needs to be known. | ||
| Douglas (141.153.132.112) |
Sharon Did you get the book "Hostage to the Devil" yet? I recommend it to anyone who thinks they are a match for Satan too. Carey How do you know you have the right Jesus and are not decieved? How do you know you won't be told one day "Get away from me"? That was my question. Not a theory or how I know but How do you know? or do you? | ||
| Douglas (141.153.132.112) |
PS Sharon I recommended it to you because I think you will really appreciate it and I know you you don't think you are a match for the devil in your own power or by your own mind. | ||
| Douglas (141.153.132.112) |
Don Many people think that people have all kinds of conspiracies through the minds of men but when I was younger no one told me about Satan, but I was attuned to evil by my agreements with it. It gave me a weird power that I enjoyed and followed. If I did things in unison with others by the power of Satan it was no human conspiracy. I didn't need anyone to tell me because the one who posessed me controlled me and had powers that many mistake for God and the holy spirit. The only mistake that Satan made was to kill an innocent man. When I realized that and that I was following a murderer and was no better I called upon Christ Jesus and was delivered and changed. If you trace conspiracies back you can't trace them to any person in particular but to, as Sharon calls him, nasty boots himself. | ||
| Ball of Fluff (24.17.18.246) |
Carey, I have no idea what you refer to when you mention "fluffy ball" whom I assume to be a reference to myself. I've not posted my beliefs in this discussion and am not a Satanist. But have fun anyway... | ||
| Ball of Fluff (24.17.18.246) |
I propose we change the name of this topic and maybe even this category of Factnet to "Outraged Christian Fundies Discussing Satanism" Would be nice to see a Satanist posting here so he can explain to these ignoramuses what his religion is and what it is not. | ||
| TPFKASOF (66.26.203.193) |
Fluff, one begins to suspect that you may be a closet masochista. Are you here to "beard the lions" in their own den, or is it that you relish being verbally assaulted? You realise, of course, that you're in for a bashing now.  It might be interesting if a Satanist joined this "conversation" to explain her\himself - but nice? - probably not. "Satanist", like "Christian" or "Scientologist" is a label. It will mean different things to different people. Those people for whom differences don't signify - those for whom there is only "our way" (Good) and the "other way" (EVIL!) - will simply shut their ears to any suggestion that there might be more to it than that. | ||
| Jenny Cox (68.62.250.176) |
Don, Thank you for your encouragement.Don, I feel in my heart that you really know the truth. I was only in this persons life (the person I loved for seven years) to make him look normal to the community, neighbors,family, etc. These people that are living on the darkside are promenint people of the community, holding high postitions in the courts, law enforcement,teachers, etc. I know some of these people regret their choice but feel trapped because they are told the only way out of the REAL satanic cult is death. I know of people who have made that choice because of the guilt. I want to help anyone that feels they cannot be delivered. It is never to late, however it has to be their own will.I know people that started in this that were in World WAr 11, Korean War,and Viet Nam. They were promised prosperity for the rest of their life. Since my discovery, I have had symbols painted on my house, My grass scorched around the perimetor of my house, my mail stolen, my house broken into. They know by the Grace of God they cannot get me but they are tryiing to scare me to leave the community. There are so many more things I could tell you about, but now I just want the younger people to know that these people started out dabbling into the darkside and they opened a door for satan to take complete control.Other than death they feel they have no way out. They do not wear satanic jewelry and dark clothes. these people look and dress like your grandparents and parents. They go to work as a judge, a police officer, they work in your local grocerey stores. However at certain times they hold rituals, hold secret meetings and their goal is to get all the souls they can for their reward from satan.Their reward is prosperity on this earth and the sad part is as they grow older they know that in the end this will mean nothing to them because they are not yet prepared for their final destination. Please, anyone that will listen to me, I know the truth, Please do not be decieved.I have seen a person involved in this that had demons inside of him that gave the appearance that he was having a convulsion, and tiny little hands were crawling under his skin. These demons were trying to get out to attack me, but the blood of Jesus that covered me prevented them from entering me. This is not a game. IT IS REAL. | ||
| TPFKASOF (66.26.203.193) |
Satanist = one who believes in "Satan". Obviously, they're already well-represented here. But Hey! The more, the merrier, wot? | ||
| Sharon (142.177.108.144) |
Douglas... Still waiting for them to call me from the library. You are right, I am no match, I have already fought many battles with him before I was saved and I lost every one. Badly. That is the reason that I can not let people deny his presence in their lives. Fluff...Your hatred of former catholics is showing. That is three times you have claimed that most satanist who worship satan are disenfranchised former Catholics. But your friends who are satanist do not worship him. You still have not told me what it is that they are seeking. I am still interested. Jenny...As i wrote in the beginning of this thread that was my warning that getting in was easy and while there satan left you alone because you are already his, the battle begins when you try to leave. I feel such pity for those who now see the truth but are trapped into the horror that holds them fast. To try and remove one will have the same effect. Teenagers are my greatest fear, they are so easily lead if they do not have a firm base at home. My heart goes out to you, stay strong, there are many here who will pray for you, as will I. We will keep you in our hearts. | ||
| Ball of Fluff (24.17.18.246) |
I don't hate Catholics or former Catholics. My comment is just an observation. To believe in the classic view of Satan, one would have to have believed in Christianity. To want to take part in a black mass, one would be likely to have been a Catholic at one point. This is based on things Malachi Martin (Vatican member- Catholic priest) has said and some documentaries I've seen about black masses at convents and monasteries. So, that's all. My Mom was a devout Catholic and I made sure she had a Mass of Christian Burial (f/k/a "Requiem Mass"), my cousin is a Methodist Minister- and these are and were people of whom I am, was and always will be very proud in their exercise of their spirituality. And I am a former Catholic, and believe me, I like myself a whooooole lot!  You'd be better employed expressing your disagreement without ad hominems about a person whom you do not know, since all you've done is post a lie and show your ignorance and tendency to jump to conclusions. The smart thing would have been to say "I disagree and here's why." Evidently you are unwilling and/or unable to do that. | ||
| Ball of Fluff (24.17.18.246) |
TPFKASOF, Well, put it this way- it'd be suitable to have actual Satanists posting here. And from what I've seen on Beliefnet, they act more civilized than many...so, yeah, could be nice. I have, in fact, asked them to come here and post. Whether any of them decide to do so or not, I don't know. I get the feeling they don't suffer fools gladly. (or fundies!) | ||
| bee (4.235.0.203) |
Ball of Fluff, Greetings in the name of Jesus! I remember your name from the Wicca board. Would you care to share your own beliefs with me? Not pressing you just wondering because I have seen you post positively of your Christians relatives & also to those you know in the occult. It may help me understand your beliefs. Such as do you feel a person needs a Savior or not? I am not trying to crame my beliefs down your throat just interested in what you believe. I do not think Sharon meant you any ill rather has expirienced evil as I have with things connected to Satan. She has been most loving to me & open in my dialouges with her. I hope you see this as she only is trying to show Christian love & not see any hurt from evil. I was unware of just how deep my family was into Satanism until reading some recent posts here. Again I hope you hold no ill to those who claim to be believers & if you do I want to say please forgive us for the way we express our convictions & maybe in time you will see our conern in a different way. Blessings! | ||
| Ball of Fluff (24.17.18.246) |
Hi, Bee, I was mainly interested in speaking about Wicca and about Satanism (and Harry Potter!!) as an informed outsider. A non Satanist, non Wiccan, etc. The thing is, my beliefs aren't an issue when I'm discussing something from that perspective. Because then all you need to know is that I am not a Satanist or Wiccan. (I'm also not Harry Potter) I don't necessarily think Sharon, et al mean any harm, but the thing is, what they are doing is the same thing that happened on the Harry Potter topic. People started trying to make it all about me. Why should it be? If I say, Hey, I'm not Wiccan, but it's my understanding that they are interested in Goddess magick- then that's all I've said. I could write such a thing if I were Jewish, Buddhist, Moslem, an Atheist, whatever. Unless the idea is somehow that a non Satanist cannot discuss Satanism without not only identifying self as a Non Satanist (which I've done) but also describing exactly what their present affiliation is. But that would make no sense. The only thing that's relevant is- am I a Satanist or not? No, I'm not. I've correctly identified that. I guarantee you- if I were to discuss my personal beliefs or affiliations (if any) then a number of people who've responded to me or talked about me here- would make an issue of them. Which would be off topic for Satanism. I guess they could always start a topic about me. 'course it'd mean they had nothing better to do which'd be kinda sad an' silly. But at least it'd be on-topic... | ||
| bee (4.235.45.113) |
ok but if you find a board to speak your mind on your beliefs I would love to read it or email me fitnessbee@hotmail.com thanks for sharing what you have & Jesus bless you. | ||
| Douglas (141.153.141.92) |
Here's a quote from a quote from a book "Secrets of a Parallel Universe" by Roy Masters Nature exists on one level of creation; man, on another. You must seek this other realm, this realm of true conciousness. Abandon faith in order to persue glory and selfish goals and you fall, not only under the natural law that governs the animal world, but beyond, into hell on earth. As you aspire pridefully to attain to the greatness that is God's alone, you cast off the mantel of His grace that protects the faithful, and you find yourself in and of the world. This is a domain far more terrible than the natural world inhabited by the simple beasts. It is a merciless world wherein spiritual predators feed upon one another with satanic subtlety. In case you think I am exagerating the existence and scope of the underworld that is reserved for fallen man, let me quote the followinf from the manifesto of a subversive organization. Note the predatory mentality of the "man" who could write such words. What he is writing about is real, of course, and he knows it. Our goals are old and dark ones; they look on the centuries of Christianity as a trivial interruption. Our goals are like fire, always smoldering below; they are close to the blind will that truly runs the world. They command us to be spiritual vampires, taking power as food for the will. We keep our eternal youth on a habitual diet of others, and the so-called "dark powers" which await us after death are simply other vampires in a new phase of comsumption. None of this involves carnage or blood; it is a matter of spiritual conquest. Ours is an alternate Karma, a heritage of power and supremacy. For successionists, the glory of life is the hunt, and our home lives must be arranged in subserviance to it. Nothing can interrupt the joys of predation. We want to reestablish a royal sence of respect, where everyone we encounter must show deference. Our form of mysticism or transcendence often comes in the middle of a crime - suddenly the victims are all that exists: we see through everyone around them, and their suffering is of utterly no consequence. We have our own pantheon of saints; we have our own religious symbols. Our churches reach downward to dark forces; our prayers have a background of sinister music. Our beautific images have more orgasm than love; our heaven is for victors, never the meek. Our brotherhood is like a core of blackness, where everyone who hates goodness can turn. "The wages of sin is death," and between here and there we encounter so much horror that it should wake us to the error of our way; yet our sinful lifestyles turn us into vulnerable prey for those haters of goodness whose allegiance is to the "dark forces." When you allow the enviornmental stresses to motivate and change you, they displace your human nature and change your destiny forevermore. Your changed nature becones subject to the forces that created it, and you invite this fate every time you seek to escape your human awareness by wallowing in sensual distractions. As you fall more deeply under the spell of your vices, you change and mutate, until you become such an ego-animal that you cannot - or, more accurately - will not recieve the gift of faith. It is your stubborn insistence on your "right" to escape into the flesh that pulls you into lower and lower realms of hell on earth. ... And those dark forces know how to make you fel comfortible and at home in hell until you start to question it and then you need something a lot more powerful than you or the demons you agreed to to set you free. | ||
| Douglas (141.153.141.92) |
The above blue is what I see as satinists present affiliation is whether they believe it is or are decieved by it | ||
| thefranklincoverup (168.103.135.236) |
has anyone ever heard of this? | ||
| Anonymous (4.249.66.150) |
Jenny Cox, “darkside and they opened a door for satan to take complete control.” You would know, wouldn’t you? You would let a non-existant being take control of your life, how? “Other than death they feel they have no way out.” I don’t feel this at all, yet I am a Satanist, and lovin’ life! “They do not wear satanic jewelry and dark clothes. these people look and dress like your grandparents and parents. They go to work as a judge, a police officer, they work in your local grocerey stores.” Yeah, because we are normal people, just like you and everyone else. “However at certain times they hold rituals, hold secret meetings and their goal is to get all the souls they can for their reward from satan.” Bull shit. Haven’t seen a single one of these rituals, and can you even prove such a claim? Honestly now, do you think that is the focus of Satanism? We are more self focused than that, we don’t care about converting ANYONE, just to be left alone and in peace like everyone else. Also, SATAN DOESN’T EXIST. That is the Modern Satanist belief, there is no Satan, it is an archetypal ideal, which, if you even bother to read the Old Testament of your Bible, wasn’t even evil, yet a servant of your God, doing all these malign things to man at the command of God. “I have seen a person involved in this that had demons inside of him that gave the appearance that he was having a convulsion, and tiny little hands were crawling under his skin.” The idiot had most likely invoked them, summoned them, etc, but still didn’t respect what he was doing, and thus, probably brought this on himself. He was probably one of those inexperienced fools who thinks everything is a game. I have still seen worse, but it wasn’t Satan responsible. That’s for sure. “These demons were trying to get out to attack me, but the blood of Jesus that covered me prevented them from entering me.” Hah! Demons don’t even bother me, but that is because I don’t go bothering them first. Even my will alone keeps the hostile ones from bothering me. Even the times I have been in the presence of demons, they aren’t trying to possess me, rather, find a way out of this world and to their home plane. The only reason they appear here is some jack ass forced them here. “This is not a game. IT IS REAL.” Oh course not, the imbecile probably used some incantation, and thus, when playing with forces they don’t understand, probably screwed up, and thus suffered from his mistake as a result. Do I sound harsh? Probably. Why? I can’t stand it when morons like that who expect to command demons and gain power from a non-existent entity have the nerve to associate themselves with Satanism, and end up getting their asses handed to them as a result. They make the rest of us look like a bunch or irresponsible morons obsessed with “darkness”, or some bull shit like that. They are one of the biggest reason we have so many damned stereotypes about us in the first place! Sharon, “You still have not told me what it is that they are seeking. I am still interested.” What am I, a Satanist seeking? Simple. Nothing other than an enjoyable life. Not higher spiritual purpose, not higher power, not the “darkness”, nor the “light”. I just aim to enjoy my short time here as much as possible, and I don’t consider my self a monster for enjoying the fact that I am human. A Satanist is a person who will seek what they, as an individual want. Sometimes its knowledge, and being the way we are, if an authority figure tells us we can’t have the knowledge we seek, we will usually to tell the prick to shove off! We try to seek what we want, but have our own codes of conduct and ethics that we abide by just like anyone else. And sure, we have our fair share of psychos and assholes that use this as an excuse to explain their actions, but it isn’t a problem unique to Satanism, it is found in any belief system. People will use anything, be it Christianity, Satanism, Atheism, etc, to get what they want, we just at least come out and say that’s what we are here for. “Teenagers are my greatest fear, they are so easily lead if they do not have a firm base at home.” I chose my path on my own free will, and my home life is peachy. I have a firm base at home, always have. And, I used to be a Catholic, but fell out of the faith because of ethical and moral disagreements. I couldn’t reconcile many articles of Catholic dogma with my own personal beliefs, such as the concept of “Original Sin.” The whole “Black Mass”, was just a way of LeVay to thumb his nose at the Christians. I haven’t met a single Satanist who actually partakes in one. As for the “classic view of Satan”, you would be accurate to say the Old Testament Satan(s). They were not evil, but served a role that was similar to a tax collector, they did a job everyone knew was necessary, but because that job often times forced them to get in the way of humans, they were shown the same joy as the tax collector. And, they only acted at God’s command; so, the one who really ordered a person to suffer was the God of the Old Testament. But all of the Jews I talked to about the subject consider Satan as a non-existent entity, a metaphor really. “I get the feeling they don't suffer fools gladly. (or fundies!)” You’re correct, I don’t like ‘em on B-net, and I don’t suffer them kindly anywhere else either. I have no problem with a person who is curious, but these who try to throw nothing but stereotype after stereotype are just asking for it. Oh, and Wicca and Satanism have NOTHING TO DO WITH EACH OTHER! WITCHCRAFT IS NOT SATANIC. -da666 | ||
| Sharon (142.177.8.80) |
Fluff you have to follow Christ to be a Christian, you have to follow satan to be a satanist. But then you already know that. What satanist boards are you talking to I would like to go there and see what they have said to you. Read you statements and maybe you can see why a person on a satanist board defending satanist could call down harsh words from Christians. They say our Lords prayer backward and hang our Lord upside down what did you expect. You call yourself fluff which is not the way you act, I thought maybe you were very young but you speak of a husband, but maybe if you reread your words you will see why you made it about you. disenfranchised former Catholics practiced- the stuff with the black masses, etc. I think there was such a man, that he had a fantastic message, but that he was no more god than anyone else. It's not my road, but I do approve of the use and practice of magick and occultism. As far as Satanists not worshipping Satan- that's what they tell me whenever I go to a forum and discuss it with them and it's what their websites say. Would be nice to see a Satanist posting here so he can explain to these ignoramuses what his religion is and what it is not. There are a few independent mentions of an historical Jesus of Nazareth, but, in the main, what we have are the gospels and most of them were written long after he lived and died. As I said, the Satanists with whom I talked were not interested in evil or hangin' with any devils or demons. They aren't devil worshippers. Any idea why we may feel a little concerned, you are trying to candy coat satanist. It is hard to believe that anyone would not see the problem with that. | ||
| Anonymous (4.249.66.150) |
“you have to follow satan to be a satanist. But then you already know that. What satanist boards are you talking to I would like to go there and see what they have said to you.” You don’t have to follow “Satan” to be a Satanist. The boards she is talking about is Beliefnet.com “They say our Lords prayer backward and hang our Lord upside down what did you expect.” I don’t do such a thing, and that sounds like something Anton LeVay did. He was doing that specifically to mock Christianity. But to assume that we Satanists spend our time thinking of new way to blasphemy Christianity is nonsense. “It's not my road, but I do approve of the use and practice of magick and occultism.” You and I agree on this. Magick can de dangerous, but to those who don’t respect what there are doing, it can be a nightmare. “Would be nice to see a Satanist posting here so he can explain to these ignoramuses what his religion is and what it is not.” There are two basic kinds of Satanists, the theistic Satanists, and the atheistic Satanists. The atheistic Satanists see “Satan” as a role model, if you will, and the theistic Satanists see Satan as a real force, but not the same way or in the same sense as the Christians do. “As I said, the Satanists with whom I talked were not interested in evil or hangin' with any devils or demons. They aren't devil worshippers.” Precisely! We don’t worship the Devil, but some deranged lunatics might. -da666 | ||
| Douglas (138.89.131.114) |
What am I, a Satanist seeking? Simple. Nothing other than an enjoyable life. Not higher spiritual purpose, not higher power, not the “darkness”, nor the “light”. I just aim to enjoy my short time here as much as possible, and I don’t consider my self a monster for enjoying the fact that I am human. A Satanist is a person who will seek what they, as an individual want. Sometimes its knowledge, and being the way we are, if an authority figure tells us we can’t have the knowledge we seek, we will usually to tell the prick to shove off! We try to seek what we want, but have our own codes of conduct and ethics that we abide by just like anyone else So why do you need to be a Satanist, follower of something you deny exists? You speak like a true psychotic follower of your forked tongue leader. | ||
| Jenny (68.62.250.176) |
To Anonymous, I was not seeking this site. I hit a site while looking up an Attorney I went to college with. This site shows up on my computer. I feel there was a reason for this. I was hoping I could share my knowledge and hopefully help someone. I am not going to argue with you or anyone else. I am stating the facts. Yes, I do have proof of what I am talking about, or I would not have said it. I tell you one thing, a real Satanist is not going to come on this site and try to convience somone else what he is. A REAL satanist does not go around telling people he is a satanist. You are foolishly talking about something you really know nothing about. You may think you are educated to what you have experienced and I hope for your sake you stay the way you are. If you were a REAL satanist you would not be wasting your time here. I am sure you are into what you want to be into and that is your will.I feel I was put on this site for a reason, and it is not to argue or put other people down on what they WANT to believe. I wish I did not know what I know to the depth I know about satan and the demons that are out there waiting any moment to penatrate someone like you.Please stay the way you are . There is still hope. | ||
| Jenny (68.62.250.176) |
Sharon, Thank you for remembering me in your prayers. I do know that prayer can change anything. Again Thank you! | ||
| Don (4.189.97.76) |
Jenny, I get treated as a kook on these sites saying the same things. The multi-billion child porn industry I guess isn't considered evidence. The shear magnitude of these and "snuff" flicks determines that there HAS to be normal looking every day people involved. You don't have to go very high on the drug ladder to find the tie-ins either. I've also said before that a real satanist would never come on this site. The naive people that call themselves satanist should take on a different title. (read the dictionary.) I have asked people repeatedly to examine the overwhelming evidence in such books as "The Franklin Cover-up" I get no response. I've challenged people to look up the Paul Bonnaci case but people prefer to stick their head in the sand. I'd be surprised if anyone who new the reality of this subject would even come close to the dark side. Keep posting Jenny, people need to know the non-sugarcoated version. | ||
| Ball of Fluff (24.17.18.246) |
Beliefnet has a number of boards about different religions and philosophies, one of which is Satanism. They use for Satanism and for some others, a 3 board system. A Learn about Satanism board, a Satanism board and a Satanism Debate board. Beliefnet is heavily moderated, so this "sinner you are damned" stuff won't cut it. Here's the link. http://www.beliefnet.com/boards/boards_main.AllCategories.asp?Category=108 | ||
| umike (209.179.140.215) |
My feeling is that Satanism is a practice to stay away from on the Internet. Why? Well not because I profess to be an expert in this area at all. The reason is that some very bad people do some some very bad things in the name of "Satanism". and most of them probably are mislead and arent practicing real satanism at all. They simply adopted the Satanic moniker/label to define themselves and their psychotic/sociopathic pursuits. These are dangerous people and if you pursue "Satanism" on the net-you will eventually find them. | ||
| Ball of Fluff (24.17.18.246) |
No, Jenny, he speaks like someone who knows what his religion is and what it is not. And because it does not fit your preconceived ideas, you dismiss it as psychotic. Now, try some empathy for a second, hon. Imagine that you were someplace where they never saw any Christians but they'd heard some wild things from a couple people who passed through. Now, imagine that you came through there talking about your religion, and you had various people telling you what it was and then trying to negate everything you said, even though you were the one who was a Christian and they were not. See the parallel? | ||
| Ball of Fluff (24.17.18.246) |
Well, UMike, it's just like my participation in some other forums(that had nothing to do with magick or Satanism or Wicca or anything like that) . I was told to stay away from them, that eeevil people would come an' git me, so to speak. But what I did was communicate and get the measure of a person, before I judged them. It's like anything else, IRL. There, (in real life) you can attract all kinds of unsavory people amongst the nice ones just by going someplace, even just by going to work. But you do it anyway and deal with situations as they come up and judge individuals separately. There are Christians in my family (and some friends of mine) who are lovely. There are some to whom I've talked who I find to be toxic and dangerous. This doesn't mean I refuse to talk to all Christians on the internet. Same with Satanists. | ||
| Sharon (142.177.106.217) |
Well Everyone we can rest easy now cause a real live satanist has just told us the truth, they do not really worship satan, because he does not even exist. What a relief, they are just people seeking a happy life. Apparently though they are not real good at detecting sarcasm, or following a tread of conversation but he did try to answer all of Fluffys questions for her. The best part was to find out that they have their own codes of conduct and ethics that they abide by just like anyone else. I feel much better now knowing that satanist have ethics. For a while there I thought it was them that worshipped satan but they say no, they do not even believe in his existance. I guess I must have been thinking of another group, maybe the boy scouts, no wait I am pretty sure that it is the satanist that worship satan. Since one of the most important things in a satanist doctrine is to deny the fact that they exist, hence the late night meeting in dark places, ect,I find it funny that they are here denying satan exists, but claiming to be satanist. I bet he is really impressed with their savvy. Don ... You are so right it is not the ones who are here denying or candy coating satans presence but those who are actually doing his real work. That is the thing about them, they would never tell you who they are, they are standing next to you in church singing praises to God. They are passing laws and racking in profits from major corporations. Those are the real satanist, they want you to think they do not exist, maybe those who keep saying that they do will get in trouble with the ones who really are satanist, yikes. Jenny... I would guess that you were lead here at this time, and for that I am grateful, I too have met his royal Lord of the Flies, and he is all he is cracked up to be, a ego that is epic, his great love is for himself. He loves that people are so lost as to worship him, he even thinks he is worthy of this worship, but they are less than the pigs that wallow in the mud to him, he has more respect for christians who stand by their faith than those who seek to rule with him. Gives him something to work for. Remember how Hitler did not trust his own advisors and kept killing them, along with any one who did not agree with him, and if it looked like one might have a change of heart, those he killed in an ugly fashion. I do not think I would like to stand to close to that sort of monster. That is where all satanist stand. Even the ones who do not exist. I can tell by your writing you know who you are dealing with, remember Christ said I am always with you and that is true, they can not harm a hair on your head with out Gods notice. If God allowed you to see who satan is and how he works then he has a plan for you, and he has given you the armour, you are a warrior. Usually a warrior must know his enemy and God had to show you just who it is that you fight, for to do otherwise is to leave a child fighting a giant. Knowledge is sorrow, I too understand why you wish you did not know what you know, but you will change your mind on that and be grateful that you know your enemy so well, he will not be able to hide from you as he does others. Take a look at Don, he sees where satan does his best work, he can not hide from him. Knowledge is also power, others may be blinded but that is because this is not what God has chosen them for. Some sing his praises, others build churchs, feed the poor, heal the sick, carry those who can not walk for themselves, but that is not us, we are for something different. Those who build churchs get the knowledge of how to build, we got a different kind of knowledge. But we all are working for the same goal. And there is not one person on this board right now that I would not want to find the path and follow it home. Much rejoicing in heaven over the one lost sheep, but first someone has to find them, and bring them home. God wants us to shine a light on the path so they can see where they are going. Boy old nasty boots hates that, to think we may steal one of his. My prayers are with you. You are not alone. Many here are warriors, and those that are, stand together, we may not all agree on everything but we all love God and stand firm in our convictions to follow him. United we stand. | ||
| Ball of Fluff (24.17.18.246) |
Sharon, as I said, the crew with the black masses, etc, are around, but they are in the minority, and are usually disenfranchised ex Catholics or current Catholics, as Fr Malachi Martin has published a number of times. But the majority of Satanists are like DA666 describes. That's just how it is. In life, we evaluate. We see that this faction of people isn't like that one. We look at things on an issue by issue basis. Not all Christians are snake handlers. But some are. But it would take a real moron to say they all were just because some were. Not all Christians think only 144000 people are getting into heaven. But some do. But it would take a real moron to say they all thought that just because some did. If one meets a Christian and wants to know what kind of Christian he or she is, one asks him. See? Different kinds o' Christians. And Different kinds o' Jews. And Different kinds o' Moslems. And Different kinds o' Scientologists. And Different kinds o' Satanists. See? | ||
| Ball of Fluff (24.17.18.246) |
Oh, Gee, Sharon, no more on how I supposedly hate ex Catholics? (that'd be a neat trick since I am an ex Catholic and have never written or thought anything that says I hate ex Catholics). And nothing about Fr Malachi Martin, either? You really shoot off your mouth a lot. You tell people what they are and what they think. That's pretty whack.And rude. | ||
| umike (209.179.140.215) |
Per capita which belief system attracts more disturbed people. I think I know the answer. | ||
| TPFKASOF (66.26.203.193) |
"Belief systems" exist because "disturbed people" believe they need to have them. "Satan" is as real as one needs him to be. If you want Satan to exist, he will. Such is the power of the human imagination. JMO, of course... | ||
| Ball of Fluff (63.190.40.253) |
Either way, I don't think Satan's fluffy. Sorry, but I just don't. Bastet could be, though. | ||
| Sharon (142.177.82.4) |
Oh Miss Fluff you turned kind of catty. Not very fluffy like. I have no more time to waste. You can not answer me so I shall ask no more. All you can do is hum and hah, just like satan I guess no real substance. | ||
| Don (168.103.135.236) |
Sharon, you are a true blessing on this site. I pray for all of these people and I know you do too. Somew people have never had to confront the dark side. In the age we are in, satan is going to unleash everything he can. I know I sound like a broken record, but for any of you who are afraid to see what really goes on PLEASE read the Franklin Cover-up. It is entirely built on documented, proven facts. It is not for the weak of heart. It is legitimate enough that a victim won a $1 million settlement by a federal judge? The victim's name is Paul Bonnaci. If you read it you'll never be the same. It will scare and depress you. It should. Sharon and Jenny and I are not playing cute little games like fluff. She'll probably never research anything that might put her opinion in question. Some people will just insist on going down with the ship. But, for those of you who may doubt your Halloween candy version of satanism, I only ask that you at least look into where it can lead. Jesus will give you more than satan could ever give. He wants to give you a good life. He loves you. It can't hurt. Just ask Him in. You can always go back to your satanism. | ||
| Jenny (68.62.250.176) |
I assumed I would write my first paragraph and never come back to this site.Don and Sharon I do think you know where I am coming from. I have to tell you that for two months I have been trying to figure out how I got to where I was. I do know the answer to that but to know where I have been for so long without knowing I was there, it sort of puts a person in shock and I know I have aged ten years in the past two months with a burden so heavy on my heart. I did not realize how far away from God I had taken my life until my discovery of the evil people that exist in the circle of people I once called my friends. I just thought I knew important people in high places and now I know why they were many times nervous and uncomfortable around me. This has brought me back so close to God. What a wonderful feeling. I can only imagine how heavy the burden would be if he were not there to share my load. It makes me sad to see many of these people wanting and even knowingly pratice any type of satanism. It is all bad and I do not want anyone to go there. Please, this is not the life you want to really get to know. It is much larger than you can even imagine. It has national and international effects on everyone. Satan has a plan and affects all the good of mankind and you will not even know you were a part of something that is going to end up so tragic and the lifes that are going to be affected will one day be your children, brothers , sisters and the people you loved and never wanted to hurt. There is nothing good that will come of it. If you are at a point where you CAN get out, do it now. Do not even wait until tomorrow. I do know what I am talking about. Please listen. I beg you. I alone cannot fight satan. But the prayers and the love of the christains who have come back in my life, we have already made a difference. I am not bragging on us. I am bragging on GOD because he is working now in this community and shaking things up and these evil people are running scared because when prayer warriors started the satanist are running scared. Thank GOD. Just consider my plea. If you just make one step forward and think "Maybe she is right" that is better than ignoring my plea. Again Sharon thank you for your prayers. Yours may be the one that changes everything. Don, I plan on reading about what you suggested.I told myself I knew enough and was going to concentrate on my Bible, but as Sharon said knowlege is power. | ||
| Don (168.103.135.236) |
Jenny, you are right on about the world scope that this exists. The Franklin Cover-up will confirm it even more than you want it to. | ||
| Ball of Fluff (24.17.18.246) |
No, Sharon, I'm not the one who told somebody else they hated this and that and who was telling other people what their beliefs were. I also don't go around comparing people I don't know to spiritual entities that are attributed to the cause of evil in the world. Nope, that's you saying those things. And I called you on it. I've answered everything you've asked me. In specific. If there's something that you think I missed, then, by all means, say what it was. And, no,Don, I'm not playing games. I'm discussing Satanism. And I'm defending myself from Sharon's and your various ad hominem remarks. Don't like it? Don't make any. | ||
| Douglas (68.192.60.127) |
Jenny What do you think Satan wants with those who have Christ in them? I don't see the big revelation about how evil Satan is. To me I've always took it for granted. Most people are members in the body of Satan in one way or another and , yes, it would be quite strange to see the real ones posting here as Satanists. | ||
| Anonymous (4.249.189.203) |
Douglas, “So why do you need to be a Satanist, follower of something you deny exists? You speak like a true psychotic follower of your forked tongue leader.” I didn’t say you had to be a Satanist to follow what I was stating, but what I posted really is the goal of Satanists. If you don’t like it, you can shove off. And, as for my “leader”, I don’t have a forked tongue. And who are you to call me “psychotic”? Are you a follower of Erik Rudolph, or Jerry Falwell? How can you say those guys are anything but fanatical and psychotic? But you are just out to make ad hominem attacks, such a pity, for a second there, I thought you were intelligent. But I guess I should be so quick to make assumptions. Jenny, Until you actually know my experiences, which make what happened to your friend look like a walk in the park, I really don’t care what you, or anyone else tells me what a “Real Satanist” is. Also, if you are doing research on the web, I recommend using the deep web, like Lexus Nexus. The deep web has more credible sources, and has verified information. As for wasting my time here, I was asked to come here. And, from the looks of it, I really won’t find anyone here who is even remotely willing to listen to what a Satanist has to say about Satanism, so I guess my time here has been a waste. Also, my knowledge of demons and the occult comes from long standing traditions in my family. So, I do know what I am talking about. Don, “The naive people that call themselves satanist should take on a different title.” I am not going to change what I call myself because it offends someone. Also, your dictionary was written by Christians, so, it will naturally paint us in a negative light. Umike, “The reason is that some very bad people do some some very bad things in the name of "Satanism". and most of them probably are mislead and arent practicing real satanism at all. They simply adopted the Satanic moniker/label to define themselves and their psychotic/sociopathic pursuits.” Yep. It is assholes who go around murdering children and sacrificing animals “in the name of Satan”, that give the rest of us a bad name. But hell, people will always find an excuse to justify their actions against others, religion and philosophy be damned. Sharon, Only theistic Satanist worship Satan. But I assumed you can read, so I thought you would have picked this up by now. But so much for assumptions. I should have guessed better than to write a post above the third grade level. I just thought that anyone who can read above a high school level would be able to understand my posts. But never mind. Now, why do you believe there is this big conspiracy, in which we Satanists supposedly are infiltrating very sector of public and private life, like out of the movies “Bless the Child”, or “End of Days”? You call me crazy? You’re the conspiracy theorist! “"Belief systems" exist because "disturbed people" believe they need to have them. "Satan" is as real as one needs him to be. If you want Satan to exist, he will. Such is the power of the human imagination.” Someone who understands! -da666 | ||
| Sharon (142.177.82.115) |
Gee Whiz is that a satanist trying to convince me that satan does not exist. Ah well here is the thing, you are asking a bunch of Christians to believe what a satanist is saying, can you not see the irony in that? A real satanist would never assume to try such a thing, they are smart and much better at makeing us believe that they do not exist and that satan does not exist by not talking to us. Now you did mention your faith on you first message and since you do not worship the non existant satan who is it that you are putting your faith in? I hope it is not going to be just another one of satans names, for as you know he has many, I like Lord of the Flies myself but even that is almost to dignified for him. I personally call him the lord of mosquitos, much more fitting I think, bloodsucking pains in the butts, brings sickness and death to humans, also ruins alot of picnics and fun at the lake. So if you ever meet a real satanist could you ask him to mention this to satan, that Lord of the Flies is rather a woosie name and Lord of the mosquitos is much more fitting to his faith. Oh and if you do meet the Lord of the Mosquitos make sure you have on you aspestoes underwear for he may not be to happy about your only disturbed people believe in him, he has no sense of humor about that sort of thing, but he would laugh like hell to see you dancing with you ass on fire. Laugh like hell, get it. Grade Three Rocks. | ||
| Ball of Fluff (66.107.60.82) |
Sharon,on the companion topic/thread you said the Lord of Mosquitos was your "source" on this stuff. It's odd. I didn't think Christians wanted to be in communication with demons. I was always taught by my Mom and Dad and by various Priests and Ministers that Christians should not do that. So how did this entity come to be your source on Satanism? Are there any books you attribute to this entity's authorship? If so, I would tell you the same thing my priest told me- Christians have no business reading that stuff. Did you actually encounter the entity? Again, I will share the caveat I got from my priest, growing up- (and Mom and Dad)- according to the Christian faith(s),it would be something or someone to be avoided. I don't know of anyone who professes the faith of Christianity who would seek out the devil. There are some quotes in the bible from the entity commonly referred to by Christians as Satan but there aren't all that many and I don't recall him going into what Satanists are and are not, or about Anton Lavey or anything. I would not believe any Christian outside of, maybe an exorcist, who claimed the "lord of Mosquitos" or any other name for any demon or devil- as a source of information. Because having a source of information- that implies communication. | ||
| Anonymous (4.249.168.254) |
Sharon, “Now you did mention your faith on you first message and since you do not worship the non existant satan who is it that you are putting your faith in?” Myself. I can’t depend on some lofty deity or angels, or anything else. I must depend on myself. I must believe in myself. “So if you ever meet a real satanist could you ask him to mention this to satan, that Lord of the Flies is rather a woosie name and Lord of the mosquitos is much more fitting to his faith.” When I meet the Satanist stereotype that you speak of, I’ll do that. Fluff, I think that it would be interesting to hear what the Christians like Sharon would have to say after reading Elaine Pagel’s book, “The Origins of Satan”. They might, upon hearing the title, assume that the author is a Satanist, but she is actually an agnostic. And her work focuses on the origins of the “Satan, Prince of Darkness” archetype that is so prevalent amongst Christian ideology. -da666 | ||
| qwerty (64.241.230.3) |
If you keep believing in yourself i garintee you that someday, somewhere in time, you will need, adn call apond Gods help. gaurenteed remember this the rest of your life | ||
| Ball of Fluff (66.107.60.82) |
You know what occurs to me...since the vast majority of Satanists aren't into devil worshipping, then, there's nothing to stop the occasional satanist, if so inclined, from being palz with God, JHVH, Allah, Elohim, Jehovah... and wouldn't that be an interesting thing for some of the folks here to wrap their minds around... | ||
| qwerty (64.241.230.3) |
A satanist is a satanist they are into worshipping him whether they know it or not | ||
| Ball of Fluff (66.107.60.82) |
So, let me get this straight, if someone says they are a christian but they do not worship, give fealty to Christ or accept Christ as their personal savior, they're Christian anyway --same logic... | ||
| Ball of Fluff (66.107.60.82) |
I will check out that book, DA.... | ||
| Sharon (142.177.104.56) |
Jenny... Hope today was a good day for you. I think all the other stuff on this board may be a way to divert us from your message and Dons message. You know how tricky old nasty boots can be. I was just thinking what a waste of time it was when I saw the long messages and thought I just can not read them I already know what they say and then I was scrolling up to see how far they went and saw Dons message, short and sweet. I do not often meet another person who went through some of the things I have and so of course I understand why you feel as you do. When I first became born again I wanted to scream it from the roof tops, but when I looked around I was the only one who really had been in that much trouble so I was the only one who really knew what it was that I had learned. I love that you have such compassion for those who are ageing into the reality of their situation, I too feel for them. I know that you are afraid for those who do not understand the peril that they are in right now. That is why I told my story, I do not really ever get into that kind of thing but this was the place for it, this and the wicca board. I do not feel that most of those who call them selves witch have the same mind set as those who call themselves satanist. But you are right they are not here they are at your bank, they are in line at the grocery store, they could be the person you had lunch with today. They think that wealth here will give them power. But the power they get is fleeting and not worth their souls. I have been a born again for about 25 years, if I can help in any way let me know. That is what we are here for, to help one another. I have learned alot of things on these boards. Bee is a sweetheart, and even though anon 172 can be cranky he is a stickler for doctrine, that is what I like best about him. Yaakov is also very helpful, he will answer any question if it is asked nicely, he is Jewish, doesn't believe in Christ but knows God quite well. Douglas is the most misunderstood person here, I do not know why that is but he a fair and honest person who has much experience, he to will answer any question you put to him in a honest way. Qwerty I have just met but have seen her around and has given me a few chuckles and she can state her case in a few lines that would take others a page, me included. Now if you want to know everything about something then go to GOds Servant, but be prepared for a lot of info, still it is a handy sevice to have and he is one of us. Don you know. So there you have it this is your official welcome. There are many others here who also contribute but they are a quiet bunch and we are not, like Jake and Rev Jay, quiet. If you need anything just say so and i will try to help. | ||
| Don (168.103.135.236) |
Fluff, I wasn't aware that you knew the "majority" of satanists. | ||
| Don (168.103.135.236) |
People say, don't ram your religion down my throat. I will. You will all bow before the one true God someday. If you wait until you have to, it will be too late. You all know in your heart that Jesus is your Lord, but are knowingly rejecting Him. What would a child pornographer more likely to be, a worshiper of Jesus or a worshiper of Satan? Even your pathetic Halloween candy version of satanism puts you in the same league with these people. YOU WILL bow to Jesus one day. Your god is vile and about as sacred as a sewer, yet you happily swim in it. You refuse to examine the well documented truth because it will make your naive view of the world seem ridiculous. I've named sources, that the satan-lite people won't even respond to. Jesus Loves You. Ask Jesus if He can help you-I dare you. There's no risk and you can always go back to your kiddie version of satanism. It'll send you to the same place as the real thing. | ||
| Jenny (68.62.250.176) |
To Sharon and Don, and other christains on this site.I wish you were my neighbors and close friends. That would be nice. I wish it was not unreasonable to think we could form a group and call ourselves "Demon Busters". As silly as it sounds, I wish it could be true. With the combined experience we would be a make a great team. I know God does not work that way, so living our life for him and doing what he ask us to do is the only we can fight the darkside.I do not think I will be back on this site again. I have learned never to say never, but I have things I have to focus on and stop dwelling on all the horrible things satan has done in my life. I have dwelled on him for too long. It is now time for me to have my complete focus on God because satan has taken up enough of my time.Please pray that God will use me to my full ability and use the knowledge he has let me see for his ability. Wow, I wish we could be real friends. I really do. But I do know in heaven one day we will meet. That is something to look forward to, isn't it! I just have a question for the people that think satan and satanism is so great. WHAT HAS YOUR SATAN DONE FOR YOU TODAY? IF I WERE ASKED WHAT MY GOD HAS DONE FOR ME TODAY, I COULD WRITE A BOOK. Please, God is so Good. I do understand why people think they would want to try something different, but that only proves to me that you have not tried God. If you had you would not be here defending satan. Please as Don suggested, just try him. If you do it sincerly, you will never go back. I will pray for all the people who I have encountered on this site and Christains please remember me in your prayers. Take Care, In Gods Name. | ||
| Don (168.103.135.236) |
For some reason, I will miss you. Before you go, let's pick on someone. After you leave, let's all pick on Fluff. We can pray for her daily and tell others like Sharon and other Christians on this site to pray for her as well. The power of prayer, especially in unison is a force to be reckoned with. Atack her with the good and the love. Employ the Holy Spirit. Let's see what a concerted effort can acclompish. She may never admit anything happening, we may never know. Let's try it, then find someone else to pick on. Something will happen... | ||
| Don (168.103.135.236) |
Jenny, we are your friends | ||
| Anonymous (4.249.3.106) |
Qwerty, I think you misunderstood what I am saying. When I say that I believe in my self, I am not saying that I am a god. I don’t say prayers to myself or the like. What I am saying is that I have to count on myself to get what I want done, and that I don’t depend on the will of a deity or guidance from such. Confidence and faith in one’s self isn’t anything new, and wouldn’t you agree that there is a certain amount necessary to do just about anything in life? You wouldn’t drive to work if you didn’t have a level of faith in your abilities to drive a car and handle traffic, nor work at your job without the belief that you know what you are doing. Faith in one’s abilities is necessary to simply function in our world without pulling our hair out. I am not saying that, if you believe in God, that you shouldn’t place faith into that as well, but to understand that there are things that a person must be able to do without the constant aid of someone or something else. A person can have faith in themselves as well as God, or any other deity they worship at the same time. “A satanist is a satanist they are into worshipping him whether they know it or not” You are referring to the rare Satanist Demonolater. Sharon, Could you be so kind and give the definition of a “witch”? I know what I consider a “witch”, but those individuals worship a nature goddess that predates Christianity, and has nothing to do with the Abrahamic faiths. Don, “I wasn't aware that you knew the "majority" of satanists.” And you do? Its kind of hard to know the majority of any given group. “You will all bow before the one true God someday.” Which is not YOU. I find it hilarious that you assume to have the authority to speak for your God. I find the whole notion that you know everything your God commands and wills, to be nothing short of self deification. Funny, the will of your God seems to be your own. How Satanic. “YOU WILL bow to Jesus one day. Your god is vile and about as sacred as a sewer, yet you happily swim in it.” YAWN. Are you done yet? “Jesus Loves You. Ask Jesus if He can help you-I dare you.” Prove it. Your God forsook me as soon as I reached the age of 10. I used to be a pious Christian, a true acolyte. But then, for some reason, I stopped feeling the strength, presence, and love that God had for me. Hum…and you think that anything you can say will scare me? Your promise of Hell is an empty threat, nothing more than an archaic scare tactic to bring people into the fold. And our “Sunday-Fundamentalist” Christianity is nothing short of the Christian version of this “Halloween Satanism” you accuse me of. Nothing short of pathetic. And Hypocritical. Jenny, “WHAT HAS YOUR SATAN DONE FOR YOU TODAY?” Simple, nothing. I don’t believe in this “Satan” you speak of, so an imaginary being can’t do anything for me. I do things for myself. “Please, God is so Good. I do understand why people think they would want to try something different, but that only proves to me that you have not tried God.” I HAVE. My relationship with God is not one that is easily understood by Christians, nor very many other people for that matter. One of the biggest reasons that so many people don’t try God is because the constant aggressive evangelistic tactics used by so many fundamentalists. What seems to escape a large number of them is that by down playing and attacking the beliefs on another person, you turn them hostile. And, as a result, that person becomes even more against what the original message is. -da666 | ||
| Sharon (142.177.106.181) |
Don... YOu are a man after my own heart, I have already done just that thing tonight. I prayed for both Jenny and Fluff. I hope she can move on, she has been through to much already. I do not think that she is far enough removed from her experiences yet to be able to deal with them in the manner she will in a few years from now. I think that she is going to wrap herself in the Lord for a while, there she will grow stronger and heal. I think that for an accident we were a pretty good place for her to fall into, and you know the old saying, there are no accidents. Any time you want to pick on some one that way you can count on me, and i would bet that Bee is already way ahead of us in that department. | ||
| Ball of Fluff (66.107.60.82) |
Sharon and Don, you don't know my beliefs and therefore are not in a position to assess them. You know --when people like my Mom, my cousin, and I guess Bee, say they pray for people,it's really nice. Good intentions, etc. When others say so right after slamming a person and arguing with them, it's generally like a condescension thing. Prayers carry and convey intention. | ||
| qwerty (64.241.230.3) |
TO ANON I THINK YOU HAVE BEEN VERY HURT I WISH I HAD MORE TIME TO TALK TO YOU PLEASE DO NOT TAKE IT OUT ON GOD WHAT MAN HAS DONE TO YOU JESUS CAN HEAL ANYTHING, ANYTHING BUT YOU MUST LET HIM. NOT HAVE A CHIP ON YUR SHOULDER I WILL BE PRAYING FOR YOU SOME CHRISTIANS THINK THEY ARE BETTER THAN OTHER PEOPLE, CHRIST SAID ALOT ABOUT THESE KIND, HE WAS VERY ANGRY WITH THE PHARISSEE AND SADDUSEE. HE HUNG WITH THE SINNERS NOT THE SELF RIGHTOUS | ||
| TPFKASOF (66.26.203.193) |
UIOP*, qwerty! YOU TELL 'EM! * ("Right on!") | ||
| Anonymous (172.160.113.55) |
Christians are not better than anyone else. They are just going to a better place. | ||
| douglas (68.162.27.73) |
they hope | ||
| Don (168.103.135.236) |
To Fluff: I apologize if I came across as condescending, I can do that sometimes. I can't win an argument about wether God exists or not. When you have the true joy and freedom that comes with Jesus, you want everybody to have it. It's kind of like trying to explain to someone what love is,if they have never experienced it. How would you explain it? You know what love is, wouldn't you want everybody you know to experience it? I know you are intelligent, I know you care about other people who are Christians. Jesus loves you, Fluff, unconditionally, just as much as he does any Christian in this world. I will not back down from praying for you, however. Do you think human's are able to come up with love on their own? | ||
| Ball of Fluff (66.107.60.82) |
Hi, Don. I just think it's best that, if we are on a discussion sub-board (or whatever we should call it) about Satanism or whatever, that there's no point in speculating about the beliefs and lifestyles of the other contributors, particularly when it's already been expressed that the other contributor (in this case me) is not a Satanist. When topic is Satanism, one discusses Satanism. If topic were out-of-season hothouse tomatoes, one would discuss out-of-season hothouse tomatoes. (who cares who the grower or consumer of the tomatoes is? Irrelevant.) Etc. | ||
| Anonymous (4.249.3.125) |
Qwerty “PLEASE DO NOT TAKE IT OUT ON GOD WHAT MAN HAS DONE” Man had nothing to do with what happened to me, but I hold no ill will against God, but as a result of what happened to me, I understand God a bit differently than other people do. I thank you for your words of sympathy, but be assured, I hold no ill will towards God. I think the severing has forced me to become stronger, so, in a way, it is for my benefit. -da666 | ||
| Ball of Fluff (66.107.60.82) |
Everyone has a different conception of the prevailing deity. This includes formation of opinions of whether there even is one, if there are any, if so, what it, he, she or they would be like, etc. I personally think there are a lot of people who think the same things as other people, for the most part, but just call it something else. Then other people (speaking generally, now. Not taking a poke at anyone here) sometimes get hung up on names and categories. CS Lewis, a wonderful Christian author, saw through this and talked about it in his book "The Last Battle" where he had a character who worshipped something that vaguely corresponds to our idea of a demon or devil, but he (the character) was honorable and good. He found himself in Paradise with the Christ figure ("Aslan") and asked why. Aslan told the guy that honorable, good, moral, etc service CANNOT be rendered unto "Tash" (the Satanic) figure, just as, when people do harm in the name of God, they are not going to be recognized as really being Godly or anything like that. Because it cuts both ways. Thus did CS Lewis address the question of the honorable pagan (Something Christians have struggled with for centuries) and also religious hypocrisy. Basically he's saying that God looks in the person's heart and that if what's in there is good, then who cares what the categories are. I don't know DA666 but I actually do like his or her style and think of DA666 as a nice and moral person- insofar as I can render such opinion of anyone I've only read on the 'net, and so forth. I've known nice and nasty Christians, and same with atheists. Some of the meanest people I ever met were Scientologists, for sure, but I have dear friends who are Scientologists. Same with agnostics. And Jewish people. My Mom taught me that God was/is a God of love. She had a CS Lewis/Last Battle kind of view of the situation. When people say to me that they are Satanists or whatever, I just look at what they actually DO think and do, not what the names of those religions or philosophies or groups are. I appreciate DA666's presence here. It's nice to actually see a practicing Satanist explain some of his or her views. I've speculated all my life and I realized-belatedly- that this was no way to go about things. | ||
| Anonymous (205.188.117.20) |
The scariest people on this planet are not the ones that humble themselves before a deity. As long as someone believes in a higher power then they know that they are accountable to something. The scariest people are the ones who don't believe in a higher power. They believe in just themselves. Absolute self love. They are accountable to no one. They respect nor obey any laws. Man's or God's. These people are scary! | ||
| Don (4.164.240.119) |
Fluff, I understand what you are saying but You can't separate the topic of satan/satanism from God. I'm curious about your beliefs, but no, I guess I don't really know what they are. But I get the feeling that alot of people on this board can not comprehend how dangerous this stuff is because they only see the "happy face" satanist. I have no motive to lie. I've seen the dark side and I've done alot of research. I learned alot of what I know from being heavily into the drug world. If someone would just read up a little bit on some of the publications I've mentioned, it would change your view of this subject forever. I'm not talking about unsubstantiated stories, here. I'm talking about real satanists. It amazes me that people forget about Hitler's, Stalin's mass exterminations, and reject the idea that the same evil is alive and well, and yes organized, in the world today. Anyone can be esoteric enough to call themselves "satanists," this string has only proven how ambiguouis(SP?) the definition of satanism is. The people on this site don't even know-the "satanists" themselves don't. To buy and sell children, use them in pornographic abuse, and even "snuff" films, there has to be more going on than just greed. Child pornography, trafficking children, torture and snuffing films are quite organized. Check with InterPol-hardly televangelist types. I don't stand on that as evidence alone, but on reems of testimony, succesful lawsuits, and hundreds of criminal convictions across the country--ALL refering directly to -you guessed it, organized Satanism. Is anyone really interested in knowing about satanism, or are we only allowed to refer to someone who wears black, wears crystals and listens to death metal. Or someone who is just trying to make a point about their constitutional rights? It's a valid point, but the satanism part ias just about being cool or dramatic about the values most of world already holds. | ||
| Ball of Fluff (66.107.60.82) |
I'm a non Satanist discussing Satanism. This suffices as a frame of reference. | ||
| Ball of Fluff (66.107.60.82) |
To me, the scariest people are the ones who use their beliefs- whether those be Christian or atheistic (I consider the latter to actually be a type of belief system in some cases) - or points of view-to bludgeon people into saying and doing what they want. I've known a number of people like that, some conventionally religious, some not. So it's not belief or lack of belief in a higher power that does it. There are people who are easy to communicate with, live with, deal with, etc, on both sides of that particular coin. Because it's just not the criterion. | ||
| khan (68.104.120.66) |
think of this what religion is againest science?againest sex?says to let live and forgive?Ha WTF people open your eyes.does this sound like the words of our true god.would he tell us to never advance,never reproduce,to never correct ourselveles,i think not for these are the words of jehova.the true deciever.that is y most things in statanism is upside down because jehova twisted everything around.he uses fear ,pain whatever esle does this sounds like the great savor or deciever od humanity.but one very important rule is not to tell the unknowing but damn people wake up.its getting retarded .how dumb weve become..Hail Satan! | ||
| Sharon (142.177.75.95) |
Anon 4 ...I would guess that the person calling themselves Khan is not one of your old satanist, I think he posted here to prove my point. But I must say for a satanist you hold your own very well. Gosh what a waste for our side, you would make a mighty warrior. I hope someday you come back to God, as you can see we sure could use the help. It is nice to know the end score but the battle is far from over. You did not lose your cool once and call names. I must say that I am good at finding what people are really like and for a satanist you did surprize me. I hope someday we are on the same side. I will continue to pray for you, since it can not hurt you anyway, and I know that you would not mind. Oh I almost forgot you asked me about witchs, I am against the whole thing but I do not believe that most witchs are evil. I think they were healers who men decieded to get rid of so the medical profession could be run by men. Well there is much more to it than that, if I had to guess that of all the witchs that died in the witch hunts probably one or two were really witchs. It sickens me to think of the evil that went on then and now. I think that the worst most witchs are is misguided. When Jesus stands before them they to will accept him as their personal saviour. Of course there are the other type who worship satan, them I think will belong to him at that time. Maybe satanist work the same way I do not know. For all I know I may find myself standing in hell for some sins that I do not even realize right now. Who Knows. | ||
| Anonymous (4.249.3.196) |
Anon 205.188.117.20, To address your first statement, I doubt that it is necessary to humble yourself before any higher power to still be accountable for your actions. A person can be utterly atheistic and still hold themselves accountable for what they do in life, and abide by higher principles, much like how many theists will abide by the teaching of their religion. What is scary, is when people don’t hold themselves to any higher standards, and have no problem destroying life around them because they think its fun, or it’s a “holy mission”, much like how many knights in the Crusades went on massacres of entire towns and villages, or the Holocaust with concentration camps, or even extremists who defame Islam, such as Osama Bin Laden. As a person who does believes pretty much only in my self, I take offense to your remark in claiming that I respect no one’s laws and am not accountable to anyone. I am accountable, to my friends, family, to my higher ideals, to many of my family’s noblest of traditions, and I do obey state and federal laws. I just don’t go along with laws that I find unjust and lead to stagnation. Just because I am not a theist doesn’t make me a monster. Don, Hitler was a monster, and I still remember his horrid deeds. But he isn’t the only “monster” around either, Slobodan Milosevic, for example, has yet to be brought to justice for his crimes, or the Janjaweed in the Dufar region of Africa, along with the Sudan government. These kinds of monsters exist. And, if you mean to say that ALL SATANISTS do what you claim, then we would have ALL been thrown in prision a long time ago. The individuals you speak of are most assuredly deranged asswipes, and they don’t represent the whole of Satanism, nor Satanist for that matter. And, to assume that organized Satanism even supports, much less condones these actions is false. The lunatics you speak of are extremists just using Satanism as a means to justify their twisted desires. They forgot the fundamental guideline we are to follow; you can do what you want, as long as no one innocent gets hurt. Obviously, innocent people got hurt in the cases you speak of, and using children like that is something I find repulsive. Kahn, What type of Satanist are you, a LaVeyan, Lucifarian, atheistic, theistic, etc? I’m curious. And what motivates you to go preaching? If no one wants to hear what you, or I have to say, then to nag them constantly won’t work. I say, if they wish to be Christian, then as long as they don’t bother me about it, I really don’t care. Attacking beliefs of theists won’t change their minds, especially if you claim that they are blind or immature. This reflects poorly upon you, and the rest of us Satanists as a whole. Do try to be more mature with your postings. Sharon, For the poster calling themselves “Kahn”, I have met Satanists like that before, and I really can’t say they strike me as very independent and free spirited, usually. I am not too sure about Khan, but from how he/she has reacted so far, this may not be a very good start. I have always been one of the more tolerant and accepting, as well as easy going Satanist. Never say a point in preaching, or trashing beliefs unless I had a reason too. As for Hell, only God, or what ever name you prefer to call it, in my opinion, makes the decision of who goes there. And, to me, Hell, isn’t a place of fire or brimstone, but of total separation from everything. A big, dark, empty void. The punishment, to reflect upon a life with regret, and hopelessness. As for witches, I know a few, and they are pagans through and through, but never use their powers for evil. To them, that is an act of blasphemy, any harm they wreak with it comes back upon them many times worse. They revere a deity they call, the Goddess, and nature as a manifestation of her, and all living creatures to them, are sacred. Their spells don’t work unless they use them for a non-malign reason and in the name of their deity. But they are also polytheistic, but the restrictions upon them still remain. Satanists though, are really mixed with their views of magick. Some, don’t think it exist. Some, like I, have some experience with it. Others see it as a tool. We place our own restrictions on what we do; I wouldn’t use magick to harm an innocent person or anyone unless I had no other choice, and would rather die than harm an innocent person with it. I have a very strict code of honor and conduct that I abide by, which I placed on myself. My brother has a great deal of experience with spells, and he only uses them to aid in the healing process of others or for defensive purposes. I have seen some of the affects of his magick, and they are impressive, but he doesn’t let this get to his head, he figures that it’s a gift, and he should use it wisely. But he isn’t a warlock,(male witch), he is a sorcerer. He has even had a few bouts with a type of demon I call a dream larvae, fiends that torment people through their dreams. Maybe one day we might be on the same side, it could be possible we are already, but I am not certain of that, and only God would know that for certain. -da666 | ||
| Don (4.164.240.84) |
Da666-The actual satan I am speaking of, is the satan of the bible. I don't believe you would, or overt satanists would do horrid deeds, but I am speaking of those who actually worship the only deity who bears the name satan. I believe that the satanists you refer to are simply people with an esoteric philosophy who are exorcizing their constitutional rights. What I'm saying is that the people who actually worship the evil satan-the real thing, are organized on a world wide scale, and there is plenty of evidence, actually proof of this. I am not a conspiracy nut. The confusion you breed is from you calling yourselves "satanists" which is by definition a person who worships the devil. You have borrowed terminology from the Bible to describe yourself. This will always make people confuse you with the people who worship the evil horrible death-loving creature of torment in scriptures. That is tantamount to me calling myself a murderer but I don't kill anyone. | ||
| Anonymous (4.249.0.164) |
Don, The term “Satanist” means something different to a Satanist, with our non-Christian sense of the word. The people you describe may consider them selves Satanists in the Christian definition of the word, but they are still considered in a real negative light with other Satanists such as my self. I am still somewhat skeptical to a claim of a shadow organization, to me, it sounds like another idea like the Illuminati, and for all the horrid conspiracies such foolish individuals may involve themselves in, I laugh at them, and they waste their time at some pointless and ultimately futile attempt to control anything beyond themselves. They don’t even realize how much they waste their time, building plots to boost their perceived idea of control over others, and their egos. But that is my take on anyone who spends their lives plotting to control others. Such a pursuit is ultimately meaningless and unfulfilling. -da666 | ||
| Don (4.189.102.176) |
My only interest is what is true and what is not true. Just as you would not want me to lump you together with a violent and dark side, which I do not believe you are a part of, I prefer not to be pigeon-holed into any particular group as well. As for who is a satanist and who "calls themselves a satanist" is purely subjective. I do not have an agenda, but am willing to take a look at anything that is verifiable. | ||
| Jenny (68.62.250.176) |
I am back. I have read the postings since I took a break and I cannot seem to get the people on this site from my mind. Don, Sharon I still need some of your wisdom. I think I would like to know how you got to where you are today. I have never met anyone that has had such experiences as I have and I would like to know how you know what you know. I have acually put faces to the names of many of the people here. I have also had a burden in my heart for many. I hope to hear from you soon. | ||
| Anonymous (64.12.117.11) |
They got where they are today by reading...... | ||
| Anonymous (64.12.117.11) |
......"THE CULT OF URANUS"! | ||
| Douglas (138.89.9.195) |
Hi Jen again! | ||
| Anonymous (4.249.0.162) |
Don, I would have to say that a major source of inspiration for most atheistic Satanists and theistic Satanists today is writings by Anton LaVey, but I would not view all of his works as the authority on Satanism. I personally found most of his works, like the Satanic Bible, to be too focused on bashing Christians, or “white-lighters” than on self-empowerment. I also really don’t care about the magick chapter he has in his book either, because to me, the thought of evoking any forces in a formalized ritual is just pointless if I can just simply concentrate. I have other various, but fundamental disagreements with LaVey, but this just illustrates the point that Satanists, as a whole, don’t tend to agree on much where the areas of dogma and philosophy are concerned. I would recommend just reading through the first half of the Satanic Bible for a look into the world of LaVeyan Satanism, but I wouldn’t take it as the too seriously. Just as there are differing sects of Christianity, there are differing sects of Satanism. Also, if you do decide to read it, I must warn you, LaVey is very blunt, to the point, and rather ruthless in his evaluations of Christianity and other “white-light” religions, and theists in general. He also comes off too draconian for my taste, and I am not the only Satanist who has this problem with his ideas as well. So, in short, the Satanic Bible isn’t really Christian friendly, and is most assuredly blasphemous in its teachings to the eyes of any Abrahamic faith practitioner. But it wasn’t written for Christians, so do keep that in mind if you do decide to read it. And remember, not all Satanists abide by the words in that book, so not all of us have the cruel mindset or an innate hatred for Christians. -da666 | ||
| Douglas (68.162.30.87) |
When I read the Satanic Bible by Anton Levey about 30 yrs ago when it first came out I found it to be a bit corney, I mean it didn't take a lot of imagination to say the opposite of what the Christian Bible says. I didn't find it shocking or even a very inteligent form of evil. I would also agree with you about the companion book to it, Satanic Rituals. Powers, good or evil, are developed without formal rituals or training. Even Jesus came to do away with outward rote forms of religion. "He that is slow to anger" (da666 - you know this if you know martial arts) "is better than the mighty; And he that rules his spirit than he that takes a city" from the Proverbs of Solomon | ||
| Anonymous (4.248.217.85) |
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