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blaque_beauty (blaque_beauty)
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Username: blaque_beauty
Post Number: 3
Registered: 8-2005
Posted From: 192.116.128.27
| | Posted on Thursday, August 25, 2005 - 4:32 am: | 
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pple think say na dem holy pass, i feel cultism is a phase one should pass but the problem is the killings, anyway , e dey 4 bible, brother go chop broda.
wetin happen to female witches |
ninolizzle (ninolizzle)
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Username: ninolizzle
Post Number: 4
Registered: 8-2005
Posted From: 216.236.222.53
| | Posted on Friday, September 02, 2005 - 11:15 am: |
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blaque_beauty,i feel u pls can u holla at me at 08039451043 thanks |
paparazi (paparazi)
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Username: paparazi
Post Number: 19
Registered: 5-2005
Posted From: 80.88.157.139
| | Posted on Monday, November 14, 2005 - 9:13 am: |
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lets all join hands and make peace in our campuses.there is no confra that doesnt have bad eggs.what we should do is to disbam dem.many people missunderstand the name (black axe)in south africa it means (black mombazo).the meaning is;
1. black(black people)both afro-americans(negro)
2.axe (means)the power.(generally axes are made out of strong metal)it breaks anything be it wood or metal or brick.any obstacle.
BLACK-AXE means POWER AND STRENGTH OF BLACK PEOPLE. |
pcnemesis (pcnemesis)
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Username: pcnemesis
Post Number: 11
Registered: 11-2004
Posted From: 62.255.64.12
| | Posted on Tuesday, November 15, 2005 - 5:26 am: |
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My brother Paparazi,
Thanks for the dictionary explanation, however, in the general public eye, Black Axe means terror, intimidation and at times death, same goes for Eiye, Buccanners, Maphites, Vikings, Pyrates Klansmen etc etc.
In fact the people who claim to be members of Black Axe on the campuses today are grossly misinformed and ignorant of the reasons confraternities were set up. This name was supposed to have died in the 1980s with the rebranding of the Confraternity to NBM. Vis-a-vis Pyrates to NAS, Bucaneers to BAN, Vikings to NAA and Eiye to SEC.
It just goes to show that by declaring that a thing so, does not make a difference to those on the ground. There is no difference between this and the government of the day issuing a decree to declare their military coup legal.
The people will make their own mind up what a thing means, what we need to do is to carry out actions and activities to help change the minds of the people.
This could be to stop the violence, remove those who use violence as a first resort rather than last and carryout activities that actually help students to face their studies and graduate.
Lets not kid ourselves, the public hate and fear us.
Pcnemesis |
jo_jo (jo_jo)
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Username: jo_jo
Post Number: 31
Registered: 2-2005
Posted From: 195.194.4.65
| | Posted on Tuesday, November 15, 2005 - 9:18 am: |
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I beg to differ to a certain extent my friend,
the reforming of the way the public views the various confraternities should actually be seen as a by-product of the primary intention which should actually be the re-orientation of the members of the various confraternities and the removal (using your word..) of those that see the use of violence as a first option.
The point i make is this, One must sort out problems prevailing in one's own family before looking to solve problems in another,or else mockery and distrust shall evolve.
They fear us because of the callibre of members, change that callibre and the fear will over time turn to respect and envy. |
outlaw (outlaw)
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Username: outlaw
Post Number: 8
Registered: 10-2005
Posted From: 216.139.176.139
| | Posted on Tuesday, November 15, 2005 - 2:25 pm: |
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People i hail,
I think their is something we are not really getting right here.Do people look upon us with envy or with hatred,disdain and utter disgust? What does the society associate us with..........thuggery,crude intimidation,senseless killings etc.
Perhaps,are these not what we unintentionally project to the society at large? I belive people are judged on the basis of what they belive in,stand for,and values which they radiate and project to others.To be candid,JO_JO, we are not feared because of the calibre of our members,but because some belive we 've lost focus of our ideals and values.... most confras...and hence is perceived as a dog that has been mistakenly let off the leash ,prone to spontanous actions.
Until we change the orientation of our boys and begin to reinforce those original norms and values we swore to uphold,people will always have a wrong notion of what we stand for and belive in.Remember, violence is not supposed to be the first resort but the last.We cannot live and function in isolation to the society,hence we must begin to fashion out programs and activites that will have a meaningful impart on the society and thus begin to change their impression of us.
If not, i wonder if you can be bold enough to look your son straight in the eye and tell him you were a cult man in school and see what he begins to associate you with.
Pcnemesis how you dey?}} }} |
jo_jo (jo_jo)
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Username: jo_jo
Post Number: 32
Registered: 2-2005
Posted From: 195.194.4.65
| | Posted on Wednesday, November 16, 2005 - 2:24 am: |
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Good point made.....
But we were both imparting the same message, just using different words.
The point still remains that until we re-adjust the way our members think and their purported aims and objectives there is no moving forward for any confraternity.
I still reiterate, They fear us because of the type of people we initiate, change that into well meaning and focused individuals and that fear will over time turn into respect and envy. |
veeman (veeman)
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Username: veeman
Post Number: 4
Registered: 11-2005
Posted From: 24.43.232.188
| | Posted on Wednesday, November 16, 2005 - 12:15 pm: |
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Jo-Jo,
You made a point ,but from my own point of view ;i think that the cause of fear is not because of the kind of people we Initate,but is rather lack of discipline among all the confraternity .Where there is discipline there is always order no matter who you initate.
Smooth sailing to all aromates. M |
outlaw (outlaw)
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Username: outlaw
Post Number: 9
Registered: 10-2005
Posted From: 216.139.176.139
| | Posted on Wednesday, November 16, 2005 - 1:39 pm: |
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People'
I'm impressed by the arguements put forward.Good write ups.This i belive is the begining of a new orientation among our guys. |
pcnemesis (pcnemesis)
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Username: pcnemesis
Post Number: 13
Registered: 11-2004
Posted From: 62.255.64.12
| | Posted on Wednesday, November 16, 2005 - 7:59 pm: |
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People, the recruitment process has been that of soldiers to fight wars. Even America and Nigeria have had problems asimilating their demobilised soldiers, when the war is over.
The end of a war usually sees an increase in crime and in those that need support to join normal civilian life. Things like gulf war syndrome and post traumatic stress disorder come to mind.
My point is in supporting Jojo, that those initiated are the wrong type to aid the advancement of society. However, we can train if we are willing to do so, these people on another way. Those who cannot effect that change, may be dealt with a different way, but we must give all a chance to join in that change in direction.
The lack of discipline comes with the lack of supervision that these confra men in Universities have suffered.
For too long they have made up their own rules and if I am to point fingers, it is to the leadership of all confraternities. It is as though the houseboy has enjoyed so much freedom that the Oga does not know how to control him any more.
This teaching has got to come gradual though, as too much of a change at one go will only be met with immence resistance.
Again little by little we can chip away at the problem, one day the final blow will topple the wall.
Pcnemesis |
veeman (veeman)
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Username: veeman
Post Number: 5
Registered: 11-2005
Posted From: 24.43.232.188
| | Posted on Thursday, November 17, 2005 - 2:15 am: |
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Pcnemesis ,you are right ;but if can you see it from this side of the game.Some of these also called bad guys ,i mean mask men in confra today,were good men that couldn`t even kill a cat before they join any of the confra .
Some came from God fearing family ,my question is, if these guys were known to be good before they were initated, how come they turn to be bandits in school confra?I still belive that is wrong to say that some thing is bad,unless you try to match it with another.
If you will reason with me ,it was due to the indiscipline among the confra men ,from the #1 to the last that change the life of the good once ;am sure that 99.9% of all confra men weren`t killers before dey were initated.Our people dey talk say if goat wey no dey eat yam begin dey fellow goat wey dey eat yam ,the one wey no dey eat yam go begin dey eat yam.
When a teacher, teaches by example the subject well be easy to understand.
I hail all Aromates where ever you are .No hot feelings. |
jo_jo (jo_jo)
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Username: jo_jo
Post Number: 33
Registered: 2-2005
Posted From: 86.112.229.132
| | Posted on Sunday, November 27, 2005 - 3:14 pm: |
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Excellent point made my friend, and i agree whole heartedly with your perspective.But once again i put it to you that if in the initial onset we desist from initiating hooligans, the present mindset of "violence first, think later" would not prevail amongst the confra men we have today.
We would have more of those men you were talking about that come from good homes and dont even consider the possibility of harming a fly but prefer to do battle intellectually.
The point my friend is this; Once we quit initiating hooligans trust me there will still be the bad eggs amongst the good ones, but like we all know every year people leave the university premises and all we can hope for is that the bad eggs either graduate (luckily or otherwise....)or leave the confines of the schools due to the inability of them to find like minds.This modus is more or less like a filtration process,stop the production of bad eggs and hope that with time those that have already been initiated will wear themselves out. |
pcnemesis (pcnemesis)
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Username: pcnemesis
Post Number: 14
Registered: 11-2004
Posted From: 62.255.64.12
| | Posted on Tuesday, November 29, 2005 - 7:01 am: |
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Veeman & Jojo,
You are both right in your observations, however, it needs a more holistic approach to dealing with the problem. Just tackling one symptom at a time will not cure the disease.
There are those who are easily influenced to become 'bad boys' and those who are readily disposed to violence and criminality. A filtration system alone cannot suffice, as those who are easily influenced will be affected and drawn into the violent sect.
I will give a truelife example:
There was a butter guy "P" who wanted to join my group in my days. We refused to initiate him as he never had the liver to fight his own battles and was always coming to seek assistance. When my set graduated, he then got initiated and quickly rose through the ranks as he was considered at this time a "big boy" on campus. P quickly found himself out of his depth and recruited outsiders to fight his battles with consequences he could not control. There are still some today who bear scars (both mental and physical) of those turbulent times, and P......... he no longer wants to associate.
The moral of the above story is some people get initiated to find strenght by association and are easily influenced to carry out actions that they are not capable of by themselves.
As long as we have these, filtration will not work without close scrutiny of those initiated. We also need constant and consistent orientation (almost to the point of mind setting mantras) to ensure that enough members know what the confraternities are about and are able to challenge the violence mindset from within.
Most of all we all lack the conviction of leadership to effect the change. I for example have two children, I will not deny my kids their father by going into an area where guns are likely to be present and the behavior of those present are unpredictable. I conduct my work in a safe and controlled environment, alas, this tends to exclude those who are most disposed to violence, those who really need to hear the message. I know this lack of conviction is shared by other confraternities.
Pcnemesis |
collins
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Username: collins
Post Number: 1
Registered: 4-2007
Posted From: 66.178.27.196
| | Posted on Saturday, April 21, 2007 - 6:31 am: |
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I FEEL WE ARE MOVING TOWARDS CONFRATERNAL RESOLUTIONS....ALL WILL BE WELL. |
jeffo
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Username: jeffo
Post Number: 17
Registered: 6-2007
Posted From: 85.18.201.172
| | Posted on Wednesday, June 20, 2007 - 2:15 pm: |
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una don hear, 7axemen and eiye sentenced to 7yrs and 3months with about 10 others(AXEMEN AN EIYE) awaiting sentencing for trying to kill each other in italy.dis na oldmen with children oo. so much 4 orientation |
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