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Anonymous
| | Posted on Sunday, October 05, 2003 - 6:17 pm: | 
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Professing people in the Truth sect DO NOT think that their churches meeting in homes are part of a worldwide body of Christian believers from many churches.
No. They feel they alone have the only true church. They feel that other churches are of Satan.
They make fun of other churches because the other churches pass around the collection plate, pay their preacher a salary and build a church building.
This church thinks it is the ONLY church on the planet that is doing God's will and how other churches are all products of Satan.
A church must
1. meet in a home.
2. Meet in a worker ordained home.
3. Submit to the power and authority of the workers.
According to the friends and workers, 99.99% of the world's population will burn in hell. |
Anonymous
| | Posted on Sunday, October 05, 2003 - 6:21 pm: |
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All preachers except the workers who trace a spiritual lineage to Jack Carroll, George Walker, William Irvine or other homeless Irish workers a century ago are lost.
Professing people believe denominational preachers are evil and devil possessed. Professing people have despised other preachers more than some of the baser members of society.
All other preachers except the workers were called false preachers, false prophets, hirelings and many other unflattering names.
Worldly preachers were said to be relying on the congregation instead of going out by faith.
Workers use Matthew 10 as their guide for how a "true minister" or "Servant of God" should live.
Workers stay all nigh in different professing homes instead of raising a family or working on a public job. The workers take pride in how they live by faith and how their needs are met. |
Anonymous
| | Posted on Sunday, October 05, 2003 - 6:22 pm: |
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All preachers except the workers who trace a spiritual lineage to Jack Carroll, George Walker, William Irvine or other homeless Irish workers a century ago are lost.
Professing people believe denominational preachers are evil and devil possessed. Professing people have despised other preachers more than some of the baser members of society.
All other preachers except the workers were called false preachers, false prophets, hirelings and many other unflattering names.
Worldly preachers were said to be relying on the congregation instead of going out by faith.
Workers use Matthew 10 as their guide for how a "true minister" or "Servant of God" should live.
Workers stay all night in different professing homes instead of raising a family or working on a public job. The workers take pride in how they live by faith and how their needs are met. |
Anonymous
| | Posted on Sunday, October 05, 2003 - 6:27 pm: |
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Growing up, I couldn't understand why so few people met in homes and why so many people chose the larger denominational churches. I accepted the fact that SATAN blinded people's eyes to the simple way of self denial choosing the false ways of the world.
I thought the standard of the meetings was higher than the big denominations where everything was OK.
I loved to make fun of other churches-church steeples, stained glass windows, signage etc..
I thought the religion of worldly churches was so shallow and fake. And I thought the truth way was so deep and sincere.
I loved how God's servants spent the night in different homes, didn't ask for money/pass the collection plate, spent time on their knees in prayer, had worship services in homes or rented buildings and visited with the people.
Funny how one's perspective can change. |
Anonymous
| | Posted on Wednesday, October 08, 2003 - 7:42 pm: |
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I used to hate all churches except the nameless "Truth" sect which I considered to be God's ONLY WAY on the earth!
To me the other churches were instruments of Satan to work against the only true way of Jesus! Man how I hated collection plates, steeples, church buildings (except convention sheds and meeting homes), paid preachers, married preachers and preachers who owned cars and homes.
I thought the people in other churches were fake. I thought they were unwilling, evil, devil possessed, etc.. I couldn't think of a nice thing to say about them even though I had NEVER set foot in a denominational church! |
Anonymous
| | Posted on Wednesday, October 08, 2003 - 7:44 pm: |
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If you cannot trace a spiritual lineage to George Walker or Jack Carroll in USA or Canada, then you are lost and need to be led in touch with a "servant of God" or worker according to the professing people.
But being in the truth of God (true way) alone won't save you either. You must be professing AND possessing. (You must follow ALL of the worker's rules with a right spirit in order to have a CHANCE of eternal life).
No wonder the professing people or friends seem so gloomy and depressed. |
Anonymous
| | Posted on Sunday, October 19, 2003 - 11:54 am: |
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Professing people think only a tiny few will be in heaven-those who belong to their church who follow the advice of a worker 100% without questioning them!
Chances are if you are reading this board and don't belong to this church, the professing people will damn you into hell. Not to your face because if they did that you would NEVER consider attending their meetings!
And if you attend a worker led gospel meeting or fellowship meeting for the first time, you will think you have met the nicest and most sincere people on earth! Children, old people and everyone else will be taking part-praying and speaking in a fellowship meeting. It will seem so neat. But once you attend more and more meetings, they will start to allude to themselves as "God's people" and mention "those on the outside" of They fold or way. |
Anonymous
| | Posted on Sunday, October 19, 2003 - 11:59 am: |
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Professing people (friends and workers) in the "Truth" have little or no interactions with so called "false churches" (ANY other religion but their own). Professing people won't even buy food from religious concession stands at a fair or festival! Workers may use a church building to hold gospel meetings but they don't preach with denominational preachers at "interdenominational" meetings. Workers feel they are the "true servants of God" and the only ministers to have God's approval! Workers feel other ministers are misled and blind. Workers and so called "false preachers" will share funerals together. But the workers do not see members in other churches as "brethern" but rather "lost sheep" who need to go to the meetings and stand up and become a member of THEIR TRUE church. |
Anonymous
| | Posted on Sunday, October 19, 2003 - 12:02 pm: |
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The main creed of the workers is the "meeting in the home" (church services held in one of the FRIEND'S HOME) and the homeless ministers".
Because the workers and friends agree that the most important thing is meetings in homes and homeless ministers (workers), those in the "truth" sect often feel anything and everything they do as a group is right. They love to make a distiction between God's way (their Truth sect) and the religious world/false churches/ways. |
Anonymous
| | Posted on Saturday, October 25, 2003 - 4:19 pm: |
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Some younger professing people say that they have never heard a worker preach that "The Truth" is the only right church.
Today's workers are more subtle and discreet about this belief. But workers feel someone has "got it" when they feel that the "truth" is God's way and other churches are empty/lacking etc..
Workers seem to be happy when someone attending gospel meetings is "troubled" and "dissatisfied with their church". |
Anonymous
| | Posted on Saturday, October 25, 2003 - 4:27 pm: |
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Workers still feel their religion is "the way of God". God's way. God's true way in the earth. The "fold". The kingdom of God. The household of faith. The way Jesus established when he called the 12 and 70 disciples.
They feel that people who don't belong to their meetings are lost. Honest souls looking for "God's way of Truth". Outsiders. Unprofessing people. Those without hope. Those on the outside. On the outside looking in. Heathen. Ammorites/Egyptians/ or other tribes Israel fought against in the Old Testament.
Professing people who don't look or act like typical professing people-borderline saints, on the inside looking out, discouraged, weak, failing, becoming overcome by the world, losing out, losing ground, losing their vision etc.
Formerly professing people who complain about the workers or friends-bitter exes, unwilling, wanting to take their own way, disobedient, failing to submit or fill their place, blind, wrong, mixed up, devil possessed, on the wrong track, turning their back on God's way, enemies of truth, etc.
The terminology of the workers and friends proves that they fill that their home meetings are the ONLY PLACES where one can worship God and have his approval. |
Anonymous
| | Posted on Sunday, November 02, 2003 - 12:17 pm: |
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Professing people often say in meeting : " I have NO DOUBTS that this way is the way of Jesus. I know there is nothing out in the world worth living for and I know these workers are God's true servants". " I as so thankful God ever sent His servants across my path (or my ancestor's path) when we were lost in sin and showed us the true way that leads from earth to heaven". bla bla bla
Many professing people boast about a revelation from God that the Truth is the only true way and all other religions are of Satan!
Professing people often comment about how blind unprofessing people are to the belief that only the workers and friends will be saved.
I remember as a child worrying about unprofessing relatives who died outside the meetings and were hellbound because they didn't profess.
Most professing people want to be a right example to the "lost and perishing world" (outside world) hoping the worldly person could see their light and become a part of the fellowship or people of God. |
Anonymous
| | Posted on Sunday, November 02, 2003 - 12:20 pm: |
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When the workers or friends speak about "God's people", "the people of God", "the true way", the elect, the chosen few, "God's kingdom, they are referring to their little meetings in the home fed by a 2 X 2 homeless ministry called "the workers". |
Anonymous
| | Posted on Saturday, November 22, 2003 - 6:50 am: |
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The early workers had such disdain toward other "worldly" or "false churches". Yet these early workers used many of their hymns in their hymn book-Hymns Old and New by RL Allan. Of course, when the Truth way began in the late 1890s, there were no workers or friends who had written hymns! This proves that Jesus didn't start the worker's church! Almost 1/3 of the hymns in the hymnbook were written by "outsiders"! |
Anonymous
| | Posted on Tuesday, November 25, 2003 - 5:42 am: |
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Growing up, I considered professing people to be my "brothers and sisters" in Christ. But I never considered members of denominational churches to be my brothers or sisters. Because I didn't think that people in other churches could be Christians because that didn't follow the right ministry and worship in a home. Any other good qualities about those unprofessing people didn't matter to me! |
Anonymous
| | Posted on Tuesday, November 25, 2003 - 5:45 am: |
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I felt like professing people had a "different spirit" than members of denominational churches. I thought professing people walked the walk but worldly Christians "talked the talk but didn't walk the walk". Funny how I ridiculed these other religions yet had never attended ANY of their worship services. |
Anonymous
| | Posted on Saturday, December 20, 2003 - 6:48 am: |
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When the workers and friends condemn the "religious world", they are condemning all religious groups on the earth except their own. Workers and friends believe they alone have a monopoloy on eternal life and that ANYONE who doesn't profess their religion is destined for hell unless they become a member of their "truth" sect.
Growing up, I have vivid memories of workers calling other churches "false churches"!
Workers never considered denominational groups to be their brothers and sisters in Christ. No. Other churches were their enemies full of well intentioned but blind people. You have to have a revelation of the "truth as the only right way" in order to be saved.
During my growing up years, I never had any problems with the friends and workers trashing other religions during meetings or conventions. it is funny how I hated these other churches yet hadn't attended any of their worship services. Many professing people have never set foot in a denominational church and wouldn't be caught in these "synagogues of Satan" as some call these other churches.
Early workers would preach some harsh sermons against denominational churches. |
Anonymous
| | Posted on Saturday, December 20, 2003 - 6:55 am: |
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I am a 4th generation professing person. My ancestors passed their hatered for denominational churches right on down the line until I had no other choice but also hate these other churches.
Sometimes I would feel sorry for members who attended "false churches" and at other times I would feel hatered toward them especially their ministers!!
I was taught that a church had to be held in a home. I was taught that true ministers had to sell all, give up their homes and spend a different night with a different professing family!
I would despise other churches because"
1. they met in church buildings
2. the collection plate was open and I felt we should give the workers money in secret (envelope).
3. stained glass windows
4. sign in front of the church with a church name and minister's name. I felt that God's way "didn't have a name and his ministers wouldn't be lifting themselves up by having their name on a sign".
Folks I had to have been brainwashed to feel such disdain for each and every other religious system except my own religion!!
Growing up, you internalize these testimonies in meeting to the point that you believe what is spoken by one's elders without questioning what you hear in meeting. |
hope
| | Posted on Saturday, December 20, 2003 - 11:20 am: |
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I am new to these ideas, this "worker's" church.
I must say, it sounds very strange, cultish- the kind of belief system where you MUST NOT think for yourself.
Tell me, do you find these believers to be truly joyful? Peaceful?
If you have been raised in this way, and you don't feel at peace with it, you know that you can chose to believe differently. Just because some people tell you that you (and 99% of the rest of the world) will burn in hell if you don't profess these beliefs does NOT MAKE IT TRUE. I wish all of you joy and inner peace! |
Anonymous
| | Posted on Saturday, December 20, 2003 - 4:17 pm: |
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I have to dispute most of whats said here. I've been a member of this church for 18 years, and don't recognise much of whats claimed to be true here.
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I don't know where you are from but some professing people love to talk about how wonderful their fellowship is and turn a blind eye to inconsistencies and abuse! You see the only way belief and belonging to the one and true church appeals to some egos so they tolerate or ignore problems in the fellowship!
Professing people in their testimonies during convention or meetings love to praise the servants for crossing their pathway and how much they owe them for salvation.
I imagine the anonymous poster above didn't grow up in the truth and probably lived in a divided home where they had less worker visits and more liberty as far as entertainment was concerned.
Truth can be a wonderful fellowship for some and a hellish fellowship for others depending upon their personalities, workers in charge of their field, professing parents, and other external factors. |
Anonymous
| | Posted on Friday, December 26, 2003 - 2:18 pm: |
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Workers make a big deal out of getting a "revelation of truth". This revelation is a belief that THE TRUTH FELLOWSHIP OF THE WORKERS AND FRIENDS is the only right way and other religions are all wrong!
Workers believe only God can give a worldling (anyone who doesn't go to meetings and profess their religious beliefs) a revelation of truth.
Friends are thankful that their "eyes were opened to see this way" and how other worldly people are blind to this way!!
Workers even think their church is invisible and low profile so that only those really "seeking truth" will find it!! That is why it has no name, headquarters and does little or no advertising.
When people stop attending the fellowship meetings in the home, friends say "they have lost their vision". Others say "I don't know if they ever had it or not".
Workers and friends feel you must have a revelation that their group (they say it isn't a religion but the life that Jesus lived and taught) is the ONLY right way!
So if you don't think the worker's meetings in homes and conventions is the only true way, you don't have a revelation of truth. In other words, you don't get it. |
Anonymous
| | Posted on Wednesday, January 14, 2004 - 3:09 pm: |
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A worker mission from Austria:
Gospel
« Thread started on: Today at 3:56pm »
It's two months since I wrote about the open door for the Gospel in the little town of Sipbachzell (pop.1,600). This is where we had to make an appointment to meet the Priest and where we're in touch with a Catholic Bible study group. The good news is the mission is still "alive"! The door is still open, but worker's are a bit like Meteorologists, we really can't forecast the future with great certainty. However, there are little signs that do give us hope. It's always easy to labour when there is "hope". I'm sure God wouldn't continue His work here on earth, if He didn't have hope.
We haven't seen the Priest after that initial visit with in Oct., when we got his blessing (or at least he is aware of us and doesn't hinder us) to be in this community. We are working with two groups here and the Priest doesn't come to either of these mtgs., so we feel it's best to let "sleeping dogs lie". What has developed is the following. We go every Sun. eve. to the Parish hall which is attached to the Priest's living quarters and attend the little Praise & Prayer mtg. Approx. 8-12 people attend. 3/4 are adults and 1/4 are their teenage children. We were surprised to learn that 3 of the families represented here don't have T.V.! That helped us to understand a little, why these young people seem so innocent, so pure and that there's something special about them. In this mtg. they sing some Charismatic hymns, which we are slowly learning, then a time of prayer and then they look to us to share something from the Scriptures. So we have perfect liberty to preach the Gospel. They are very good listeners.
We are also invited every Wed. eve. to the young people's Bible study. This study is the initiative of two brothers; Martin 21, who is a University student and his brother Stefan who is 18 and studies Mechanical/Electronics at a Technical School. Their parents Johann & Christa Grundner and another couple Ulrich & Gabriella Santner with their children Christoph 18, and Maria 17, are the "core" of both groups. We are so impressed with this young peoples Bible study. It alternates between the Grundner & the Santner homes. Again 8-12 teenagers attend. Both ***** & I were so amazed that they have no other book on the table, only the Bible! This is very unusual for religious groups. They told us that they started off with some sort of Bible course, but eventually they realized that they weren't getting enough of God's Word. One of the young people leads the study and they alternate. We are in Mark's Gospel. They read only one section of the ch. and then they tell us what they have found, I guess we'd say they give their testimony and they find some lovely things to share! Then the mtg. is open for others to share any additional thoughts, then they look to us and we have perfect liberty to proclaim the Gospel, to declare the Truth.
This scenario is so completely untypical of Austria which is such a very staunch Catholic country and so very closed to the Gospel! In the beginning we could hardly believe what we had found here, but in the course of time, we could see some reasons why community is so unusual . I really think we owe a lot to the Interdenominational Bible School some
40 kms. away. They have done a lot of ground work for us. They have helped these people to read and study the Bible. Because of their work, these people are not frighten away the minute they hear one isn't Catholic. As a result, this community is much more "open", then any other community in all of Austria, I'm sure! In essence have prepared the soil for the "incorruptible seed" to be sown.
My comp. ---- went to Greece for Spec. mtgs. for a month. In the interim ----------- from the Czech Rep. came to help, for which I was very glad. He has laboured in this country for many, many yrs., so it is good he can share in this mission too. During the holiday season we pulled back. I was invited to the Santner family for Christmas, but declined. I didn't want to get into the "Christmas discussion". We don't want to rush. We try to be cautious, so they don't get too much "truth", too fast. It says that the law came by Moses. The law is black & white, it's cold & hard. But grace and truth came by Christ Jesus. Grace is mentioned first. When I look back at my own experience, I see how gentle the workers handled me. They let God do the work. So we're trying to go gentle and give God a chance to do His work. We realize that God has been working with these people, long before we got here, so we would like to learn how to be helpful by appearing, and also how to be helpful by disappearing or getting out of the way.
In a visit with Mr. Santner, just before Christmas, he revealed a lot that gave us so much hope. They have a greenhouse business and he just mentioned that they sell a lot of flowers for the different Catholic holidays. He said, "I have a bit of trouble with that. For now I console myself that we get a chance to show our faith to our customers, but I don't know how long we'll be able to do it. He mentioned that the Bishop for this diocese is very aware of what is going on in this little community and they are watching the situation very closely. He said the Catholic Church has lost so many members in the last yrs. that they are tolerating us, cause they don't want to lose us too. At this point we are working within the Church. We feel this is our mission, but how long we can do that, I don't know. Maybe the time will come where we'll have to make a decision".--- Well I'll tell you, we came home from that visit with so much hope and with so much joy! We just bow our head and thank God.
Our Spec. mtgs. in Austria are Jan.18 in Wels and St.Johann and the 25th in Vienna, when we are all together, meaning the little staffs of CZ., Hungary & Austria. Our visitors are: Craig Fulton (Ireland, labouring in Romania), Crenguta Dusciuc (sister worker from Romania) & Doug Crompton (Eng., labouring in Slovenia). Wonderful!
We have a lovely blanket of white snow. It truly is a "Winter Wonderland". All the children in school, starting from Gr. 1 go skiing here, much like all the children in Canada learn how to skate. If you're in Austria and don't know how to ski, it simply means you are an immigrant!
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Anonymous
| | Posted on Wednesday, January 14, 2004 - 3:13 pm: |
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In the letter above, you can get a little idea of the terminology and actions of the workers. First there is this bit about not owning "TV"s which is used to reinforce a rule that the workers claim to not have in their fellowship.
Then the bit about "Christmas". We see how the workers don't push their rules and traditions upon worldly people for awhile until peer pressure and subtle hints from those professing or in the work kicks in.
It is wrong for the workers to be deceitful about claiming to be a interdenominational fellowship when they don't recognize any other Christain church! W |
Anonymous (157.89.46.110)
| | Posted on Friday, June 04, 2004 - 10:44 am: |
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Many professing people were raised in this fellowship and know nothing better. Many are under such fear and guilt. They fear hellfire should they stop professing. They are so afraid to think and reason things. They think Satan is behind the existence of all religious groups except "The Truth" of the workers and friends. Sad. |
Vicki (216.104.73.149)
| | Posted on Friday, June 04, 2004 - 8:58 pm: |
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Even tho I know better now...and belong to a different church...I still have that fear and guilt. I know God knows my heart and maybe someday I will get over those feelings. I'm thankfull I always question things. It's really surprising how blind I was. It's like I would not have joined a cult if I knew that. But being a three generation 2X2 you didn't question it. I have tried to show and tell my Mom what I discovered on line .....it's like I was the devil himself!!! |
Anonymous (157.89.46.110)
| | Posted on Wednesday, June 16, 2004 - 10:37 am: |
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Truth fellowship has taken advantage of our fears and guilt. Workers preach pessimistic sermons about a "lost eternity" outside the fellowship. They don't preach grace. They preach more about God's wrath than his love. This is a shame. DOn't let any group of human beings shame you. Never! |
Anonymous (157.89.46.110)
| | Posted on Wednesday, June 16, 2004 - 10:39 am: |
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Maybe workers don't know how to preach a positive sermon. Younger ones learned this fear mongering from older ones. The fellowship is fear based. SO much fear and hatered toward other churches! Fear of coming up short. Fear of not being faithful enough. Workers learned submission from older companions and feel the need to demand submission from the friends. |
Vicki (216.104.73.149)
| | Posted on Wednesday, June 16, 2004 - 7:37 pm: |
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I really feel sorry for my Mother as she is in her golden years and has no peace..depression...doom and gloom..negative all the time.....it affected me and I have to deal with the negative thoughts....I try to be positive!! I still have problems with health issues.....the old fear of dying!!!!! I know there is hope for me as I hold Jesus in my heart!!! |
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