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real_truth (real_truth)
Intermediate Member
Username: real_truth
Post Number: 287
Registered: 4-2005
Posted From: 66.68.15.79
| | Posted on Sunday, July 24, 2005 - 5:05 am: | 
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Mar 13:12 Now the brother shall betray the brother to death, and the father the son; and children shall rise up against [their] parents, and shall cause them to be put to death.
Jon 3:8 But let man and beast be covered with sackcloth, and cry mightily unto God: yea, let them turn every one from his evil way, and from the violence that [is] in their hands. 9 Who can tell [if] God will turn and repent, and turn away from his fierce anger, that we perish not?
...10 And God saw their works, that they turned from their evil way; and God repented of the evil, that he had said that he would do unto them; and he did [it] not.
(Message edited by real_truth on July 24, 2005) |
dowen (dowen)
Intermediate Member
Username: dowen
Post Number: 173
Registered: 4-2005
Posted From: 24.153.234.187
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"Judge not, that you be not judged. 2 For with what judgment you judge, you will be judged; and with the measure you use, it will be measured back to you. 3 And why do you look at the speck in your brother's eye, but do not consider the plank in your own eye? 4 Or how can you say to your brother, 'Let me remove the speck from your eye'; and look, a plank is in your own eye? 5 Hypocrite! First remove the plank from your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother's eye.
6 "Do not give what is holy to the dogs; nor cast your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn and tear you in pieces.}
Then He began to rebuke the cities in which most of His mighty works had been done, because they did not repent: 21 "Woe to you, Chorazin! Woe to you, Bethsaida! For if the mighty works which were done in you had been done in Tyre and Sidon, they would have repented long ago in sackcloth and ashes. 22 But I say to you, it will be more tolerable for Tyre and Sidon in the day of judgment than for you. 23 And you, Capernaum, who* are exalted to heaven, will be brought down to Hades; for if the mighty works which were done in you had been done in Sodom, it would have remained until this day. 24 But I say to you that it shall be more tolerable for the land of Sodom in the day of judgment than for you." |
truth_hunter (truth_hunter)
Intermediate Member
Username: truth_hunter
Post Number: 111
Registered: 4-2005
Posted From: 66.55.230.165
| | Posted on Monday, September 05, 2005 - 11:29 am: |
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The posters that started this thread, Real Truth and Dowen, are closely tied to Homestead Heritage and are in close contact with them. Homestead Heritage, or Heritage ministries has convinced these two that myself and other posters here who have attempted to expose and warn anyone who is interested in Homestead Heritage of the false doctrine and the side affects of abuse that occur because of the focus on the authority of the leaders of Homestead, and not the leadership of Jesus.
They fail to see that for the most part, those of us who are exposing their abuse, sins or crimes, love them. I love those people out at Homestead as my own family, and some of them are. But that dose not mean that I will keep silent when crimes are committed and cover the abuse of innocent children. So do not fear, you are not meddling. It is of vital importance that you educate yourself on the doctrines and practices of Homestead Heritage before you visit or join.
Do not misunderstand me, the people at HH are some of the sweetest people you will ever meet, but their doctrine would lead you from a loving God and father, and seek to replace it with a savior here on earth. |
real_truth (real_truth)
Intermediate Member
Username: real_truth
Post Number: 388
Registered: 4-2005
Posted From: 66.68.15.79
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I am not tied to HH in any way, shape, or form, other than having close family and a few friends there. No one has convinced me of anything, since the things I state here, I have believed for years, long before all this happened. Actually, I am a card-carrying member of a church organization that is not even affiliated with HH, and would be a bit mystified by some things there. To state I am tied in is just simply deceitful. Don't believe Truth Hunter, he has a personal vendetta against this group. |
dowen (dowen)
Intermediate Member
Username: dowen
Post Number: 174
Registered: 4-2005
Posted From: 24.153.234.187
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"The posters that started this thread, Real Truth and Dowen, are closely tied to Homestead Heritage and are in close contact with them." (He makes that sound so evil, doesn't he?)
Truth_Hunter,
I assure you, and whomever else is reading this, that I am a parrot of no one. What I have stated on this website comes from my own heart. Sure, I have a great relationship with my family. Don't make yourself look like a fool by trying to demonize my relationship with my family.
The reason you hate my words on this website so much is because you have sacrificed your own family on the alter of FACTnet, and elsewhere, while I have lifted up my family and friends in love. I am a living testament to the fact that it didn't have to be this way for you. So you must discredit me, or come to grips with the fact that you are simply wrong in your vendetta.
Truth_Hunter, I have known you for years, I admire you for for taking a stand and sticking by it, many men don't have what it takes to do that. I humbly beg you to join with me,and a myriad of others, in fighting the true enemy of Christianity. Let's not fight against ourselves and our fellow Christian's! Let's fight FOR the Author and Finisher of our faith! Not AGAINST him!
You say you are here to "expose" things about HH, do as you please, just please remember what Paul said, "12 For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world... I don't think anyone at HH falls into any of those catagories.
As another poster said, "we have a common enemy", let's focus upon that enemy and not one another. Otherwise we may find ourselves in the shoes of Saul on the road to Damascus, hearing Jesus tell us we are persecuting Him, not the real enemy.
God is SO much bigger than any of your gripes aganist HH. I beg you to move on and find a life that looks forward instead of backward, a life that serves His children instead of fighting against them. |
truth_hunter (truth_hunter)
Intermediate Member
Username: truth_hunter
Post Number: 112
Registered: 4-2005
Posted From: 66.55.230.165
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Daniel, I regret that you take everything I say as if I were breathing fire. Back at the beginning of the board,( in private conversations away from the eyes and ears of Homestead leadership) you saw where I was coming from, you even agreed with me. You had some of the same concerns, and at that point you realized that it was not about the people, but their beliefs. It wasn't until you stopped talking to me and started talking with the elders and your Dad, that your point of view changed. Daniel their practices of ministry and views of salvation become a tool and means towards distracting from the point and focus of the things being said against them, a slight of hand here and suddenly you're are convinced that black is white, Love is hate, the rejected becomes the rejector, the protector becomes the villain. This view of things does not come from our Lord but from the powers that rule this world. This is indeed what I am fighting against.
Daniel, I speak from my experience in and out of Homestead. I wish I had not witnessed the things I did, but I did. I now believe I have responsibility to see these things brought to light. Why ? So that I can see my loved one crushed, hurt and scorned ? No, of course not ! I speak out so that hopefully enough people in and out of Homestead, will say enough is enough! This abuse must end! And in this outcry I pray that the eyes of the leaders in Homestead will be opened and the crown and throne will be given back to our Savior, Jesus Christ.
(Message edited by truth hunter on September 07, 2005) |
dowen (dowen)
Intermediate Member
Username: dowen
Post Number: 176
Registered: 4-2005
Posted From: 24.153.234.187
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To the "Passer-by",
This is a sadly inadaquate response to the above post by "The Hunter".
(BTW, I pity you passer-byers for having to wade through all of this)
"Daniel, I regret that you take everything I say as if I were breathing fire."
Buddy, many of the things you posted have been firey. But you said it, not I.
"Back at the beginning of the board you saw where I was coming from, you even agreed with me. You had some of the same concerns, and at that point you realized that it was not about the people, but their beliefs."
If the "passer-by" cares to look at my first post he/she will find that my #1 concern was that this board would descend into the dismal abyss of Christians making personal attacks upon one another.
My second post was in opposition to the claims of "Truth" Hunter.
His above quote is yet another example of his complete and utter inability to get his facts straight.
He strives to discredit me and presents himself on this board as the "source" and "expert" on the inner workings of HH. Interestingly enough though, he is less than a handful of years older than myself...
(This is not an attack upon "Hunter", only a pointing out of the facts.)
"It wasn't until you stopped talking to me and started talking with the elders and your Dad, that your point of view changed."
Interesting point.
Maybe, just maybe, I heard you out, then I heard the leaders of HH out and did my best to come to my own conclusion.
I believe I did just that. Scoff at my conviction if you like, yet I came to it on my own after much careful consideration.
The rest of your post is "psycho-babble" and not worthy of my time in responding to it.
This scripture describes where the "Hunter" finds himself,
9 I verily thought with myself, that I ought to do many things contrary to the name of Jesus of Nazareth. 10 Which thing I also did in Jerusalem: and many of the saints did I shut up in prison, having received authority from the chief priests;(watchman fellowship)and when they were put to death, I gave my voice against them. 11 And I punished them oft in every synagogue, and compelled them to blaspheme;("Oldwatchman", you have done just that.) and being exceedingly mad against them, I persecuted them even unto strange cities.(The WWW)
12 Whereupon as I went to Damascus with authority and commission from the chief priests, 13 At midday, O king, I saw in the way a light from heaven, above the brightness of the sun, shining round about me and them which journeyed with me. 14 And when we were all fallen to the earth, I heard a voice speaking unto me, and saying in the Hebrew tongue, Saul, Saul, why persecutest thou me? it is hard for thee to kick against the pricks. 15 And I said, Who art thou, Lord? And he said, I am Jesus whom thou persecutest.
The part I put in italics makes my point, and prayer.
(Message edited by dowen on September 07, 2005) |
truth_hunter (truth_hunter)
Intermediate Member
Username: truth_hunter
Post Number: 113
Registered: 4-2005
Posted From: 66.55.230.165
| | Posted on Wednesday, September 07, 2005 - 11:44 am: |
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Dowen, are you suggesting that everyone take your word as truth? Were you even a member of HH? Should people take your word as fact of Homestead doctrine, or the word of those who were members and in leadership in Homestead ? I have never claimed to know everything about the inner workings of HH, just what I witnessed. Dowen, if it was just me saying these things about Homestead doctrine then I agree I would have no credit, but when you have dozens of individuals who were MEMBERS of Homestead, even those who were leaders all saying the same thing, then it has credit. |
missionary_lady (missionary_lady)
New member
Username: missionary_lady
Post Number: 4
Registered: 9-2005
Posted From: 200.98.56.103
| | Posted on Friday, September 09, 2005 - 11:36 pm: |
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In Brazil we say, "You never know a person until you eat a sack of salt together." It didn't take that much salt for us to decide HH authority message is not "thus saith the Lord." Yes they as a whole are good people but like the Jehovah's Wittnesses they think more light has shinned across their path...If light is sitting in their office or where ever having them trying to force it on you...It is not biblical...for the Holy Ghost will lead in all truth.
There are many things I like about HH but I do not think "force" tatics worked for us. |
missionary_lady (missionary_lady)
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Username: missionary_lady
Post Number: 5
Registered: 9-2005
Posted From: 200.98.56.103
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And by the way I mean no harm to them. Some of the nicest people I have ever met live there and some of the most sincere people...but the longer we stayed the more people from there said and talked to us...We stopped going there and I doubt if we will ever return but I am glad they care for the widows and the aged. Not all is bad. I have sat in their services "awed" by the presence of the Lord and I have sat in their services wishing I was somewhere else because of the Hardness I felt.
I just cannot imagine Jesus screaming in peoples faces while they are trying to pray...
I cannot imagine leaders telling you one day God said something and the next day "God" changing His mind...simply because we did not even understand what they wanted us to understand... |
dowen
Advanced Member
Username: dowen
Post Number: 788
Registered: 4-2005
Posted From: 24.153.236.230
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