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     rebel8 (rebel8) New member Username: rebel8 Post Number: 13 Registered: 2-2005 Posted From: 139.127.189.218 |
Here's a recent court decision disallowing a civil suit to proceed against a church for failing to report known molestation. This is in spite of a law requiring them to report it. The court is saying the church officials' desire to keep it confidential prevails over the law, and there is no special relationship between the church and parishoner such that the church would be expected to take protective measures (as in a school-student relationship). They are also saying there is no civil $ remedy for churches that fail to follow the law. BTW, the perp was convicted criminally in 2000. http://www.courts.state.nh.us/supreme/opinions/2005/berry081.htm This group allegedly has a secret database of perps and an official policy discouraging involving police. http://www.silentlambs.org/answers/23720.cfm | ||
| dannyhaszard New member Username: dannyhaszard Post Number: 7 Registered: 6-2005 Posted From: 70.33.129.26 |
Man protests Jehovah's Witness teachings Lowell Sun, MA - 28 minutes ago WILMINGTON -- Rick Fearon stood outside the Jehovah's Witness Kingdom Hall just off Main Street last night knowing a daughter who will no longer speak to him ... Article Launched: 04/13/2006 11:39:07 AM EDT Man protests Jehovah's Witness teachings By ROBERT MILLS, Sun Staff WILMINGTON -- Rick Fearon stood outside the Jehovah's Witness Kingdom Hall just off Main Street last night knowing a daughter who will no longer speak to him would soon be inside. That daughter, as well as several other family members, stopped speaking to Fearon a few years ago when he left the church and began speaking out about problems he sees in the Jehovah's Witness religion. A Jehovah's Witness for more than 40 years, Fearon now wants to "I attended this congregation and never realized the problems they had," he said. Fearon stood across the street from the Kingdom Hall with about a half-dozen others in the hopes they would make those new to the church look into it more deeply. Those inside the Kingdom Hall were observing The Memorial of Christ's Death, in which they celebrate the death of Jesus on the first full moon of the Vernal Equinox. Those new to the church or not yet part of it often attend the observance, Fearon said. Fearon cites national studies and news reports on a He also says the churches previous ban on members getting blood transfusions, and other confusing teachings about accepting blood have led to what he said are thousands of unnecessary deaths. He was joined by John Harris, of Norwood, who was one of hundreds of clergy-abuse victims who sued the Archdiocese of Boston. Harris, who said he was abused by Father Paul Shanley, said he settled with the archdiocese in December of 2003. He said he is fighting all religions and cults in which abuse is not adequately responded to, and that he is pushing for federal laws to make it easier to prosecute and prevent abuse. A man who answered the telephone at the Kingdom Hall declined comment last night. ---------------- http://www.lowellsun.com/writealetter Letter to editor online form http://www.lowellsun.com/contact All Newspaper contacts page | ||
| dannyhaszard New member Username: dannyhaszard Post Number: 8 Registered: 6-2005 Posted From: 70.33.129.26 |
My Molester Is Still A Jehovah's Witness Elder Pedophile cover up in the Jehovah's Witnesses church! A boy was molested by a ministerial servant in a congregation of Jehovah's Witnesses en route to an assembly, where the molester was due to give a talk at the convention. Revulsed, the boy was nevertheless forced to be around this molester in the years ahead in agonizing cruel ways. When the matter came up before the Service Dept. of the Watchtower in Brooklyn, and the elders in the local congregation, no reply was given, no apologies, no offer for counseling an abuse victim, just the warning that you "could be disfellowshipped for gossip." That in spite of the fact that the molester not only acknowledged his dirty deed to the young man later on, but that the other elders and Brooklyn had "taken care of the matter." The molester moved on to be a Special Pioneer and elder in the boy's congregation. He remains an elder in Jehovah's 'Spiritual Paradise' to this day. No offers for help were ever given to the young man, who will remain anonymous as he is still technically a Jehovah's Witness. The following video is a shocking reminder that in spite of the Watchtower's Public Relations Dept. and their statements on their website, the Watchtower Bible & Tract Society is still VERY MUCH INTERESTED in keeping molesters a secret in the congregations of Jehovah's Witnesses, even using such ones in responsible positions! Jehovah's Witnesses go door to door,will such a one be coming to your door soon? http://www.silentlambs.org/Brotherspeaksout.cfm Video here | ||
| rebel8 Junior Member Username: rebel8 Post Number: 33 Registered: 2-2005 Posted From: 24.58.75.167 |
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| dannyhaszard New member Username: dannyhaszard Post Number: 10 Registered: 6-2005 Posted From: 70.33.129.26 |
Pedophiles In My Church? Can't Be Stan Grimes June 9, 2006 Try, if you can, to place yourself into the mind of a five-year-old boy or girl. Your parents take you to a new church. They have converted to a new religion and you are thinking, “What’s a religion, daddy?” Daddy tells you that it’s a new building and that you will meet all kinds of new friends. So, it sounds like fun to you. Everyone in the room is singing some really cool songs and you giggle when you see some of the older folks jumping up and down to the music. You say to yourself, “this is going to be lots of fun.” After everyone sings music, your daddy tells you to be real quiet ‘cause the man is going to say a prayer, “What’s a prayer, daddy?” Daddy tells you the man is going to talk to God…”who is God?” you think. The prayer takes a long time, but when it’s over, they herd you and some other boys and girls to another room. Mommy tells you that it’s going to be okay. It’s going to be like going to school. Once you’re taken to a small classroom, you meet other kids your age and they seem nice, and you discover the man with a suit on is nice too. He teaches you about somebody named Jesus, but you’re too busy giggling at the little boy next to you to hear what the man is saying. Soon the class is over and you move to the big room again where you fall asleep while some old man is talking about a guy named Jehovah. The meeting is over and your parents take you home. Mommy cooks dinner and tells you that the nice man that taught you about Jesus is coming for dinner. You think it will be fun and when the nice man and his wife knock on the door, you smile and let them in. They bring their two little kids with them, two boys. They were nice boys. You take them outside and play kickball with them. Soon the nice man comes out to play kickball. The nice man asks you to show him your swimming pool. He puts his arm around, which you think is nice. Then the nice man puts his hand on your fanny, which you think doesn’t seem quite right. The nice man then touches your zipper and it makes you uncomfortable and you run away, but you don’t tell your mommy or daddy because the nice man is still a nice man and he’s tall like daddy. Do you think this doesn’t happen? Do you think there are no pedophiles in the ranks of your churches? Pedophilia happens not just in the Catholic Church, but every church. Church can be a breeding ground for pedophiles. Before you decide to join a new church, check out its history and check out its membership. What, pedophiles in my church? Church, the last bastion of kindness and all that is holy in your life. How can that be? Church is made up of people. They are your neighbors, your mayors, your schoolteachers, your bosses, and your deviants. Yes, deviants go to church. What better atmosphere can there be for pedophilia? They get to see all the little kids in their neighborhood, and sometimes they become Sunday school teachers, ministers, priests, and choir directors. Your best defense as mentioned earlier is investigating the new church you’re thinking about joining. Investigate more than just its principles, but investigate the people who attend, especially those who hold leadership positions. “Beware of wolves dressed in sheep’s clothing” is not a cliché. It is a reality in today’s world. Would you like to know more about the possibility of pedophiles in your church? Try this site and your eyes might be opened: http://www.dannyhaszard.com ------------------ Sorry about http://www.silentlambs.org not getting the primary link here,it is at my site i had no control over article-Danny Haszard | ||
| pointlessshrew Intermediate Member Username: pointlessshrew Post Number: 133 Registered: 7-2005 Posted From: 208.157.173.138 |
Pedophilia is everywhere--not just the Watchtower Society and the Catholic Church, but *everywhere*. It's not *just* the "silent suffering: aspect that makes church-going youth easy targets for pedophiles; it's the fact that parents never really stop to think that the place where you come to meet GOD is also the place where sick and evil people lay in wait for any opportunity to act on their predilictions....... It is for this reason that people need to wake up and remember that while in church, we are still in the world, and we need not just to hold accountable those who are in positions of authority, but ourselves, as well, to protect our children. In His Grace, miki | ||
| jeeprube Junior Member Username: jeeprube Post Number: 28 Registered: 5-2007 Posted From: 70.250.211.46 |
I remember how smug JW's were when the Catholic abuse scandal first broke in the news. There was a sense of "see we told you so." The JW's felt so vindicated in their claims about the Catholics. Then the news broke that Jehovah's Witnesses had the same problem. All of a sudden they were being "persecuted" by the demon controlled media. Funny how things change. | ||
| praetorian Member Username: praetorian Post Number: 94 Registered: 3-2005 Posted From: 70.89.75.242 |
Jeerub: I must tell you that I have a different take on the matter, as I do not recall any JW’s I know that were smug, over this, as this would imply that they were “glad” that these bad thing happened to people, children in particular, and that thought is disgusting in anyone’s other than those who practice such things! This is just plain wrong to feel that way! Now, to say that some of the individual members, were smug; welcome to the Human Race! There is no doubt, as I have stated before that among the JW’s (as with any group of entity) there are stupid people, smart, reasonable, unreasonable, self-righteous, haughty, meaning “human”, imperfect people among them etc. and that you met some, however; that does not mean nor does it reflect the manner in which the overall group, or entity views such a matter! Also, bad things happen to good people in all disciples of life, again, welcome to the Human Race, and becoming a JW (as with anyone else) does not mean that you are now immune to these things. In fact, a religious entity is to expect things like these as the Bible clearly states (let me know if you need the scriptures) that false people or wolves in sheep’s clothing are to be clearly “expected.” When you say, “Funny how things change” I perceive you are making a comparison. The matter spoken of among the Catholics, as widely publicized, was shown to be a “pervasive practice”, as compared to incidents among the JW’s or others. Also, among the Catholics, one gets a new job as priest somewhere else (or was that way for several years) and among the JW’s they disfellowship persons like that, for which they then get criticism. Funny how that works! P | ||
| jeeprube Junior Member Username: jeeprube Post Number: 31 Registered: 5-2007 Posted From: 70.250.211.46 |
praetorian said: "“Funny how things change” I perceive you are making a comparison. The matter spoken of among the Catholics, as widely publicized, was shown to be a “pervasive practice”, as compared to incidents among the JW’s or others. Also, among the Catholics, one gets a new job as priest somewhere else (or was that way for several years) and among the JW’s they disfellowship persons like that, for which they then get criticism." Actually, that is incorrect. It is well documented that many pedophiles are not disfellowshipped, are not removed from positions of authority, and are indeed hidden within the organization. Heck, there was even a Governing Body member who was a pedophile. I have personal knowledge of at least two cases which were swept under the rug in my local area. When I asked my elder father about it, he replied that the elders were not bound by the laws of men in this area, and could do whatever they wanted. I must re-iterate that this is all documented. www.silentlambs.com www.freeminds.org | ||
| jeeprube Junior Member Username: jeeprube Post Number: 32 Registered: 5-2007 Posted From: 70.250.211.46 |
praetorian said: "and among the JW’s they disfellowship persons like that, for which they then get criticism." I've never heard anyone critisize JW's for DFing a pedophile. Perhaps you have a quote of this? | ||
| praetorian Intermediate Member Username: praetorian Post Number: 103 Registered: 3-2005 Posted From: 70.89.75.242 |
Let me get this straight….Interesting: So you agree that it is indeed OK to disfellowship a pedophile as this is done by humans, with a human factor involved, but it is not OK to disfellowship anyone else for grounds you do not approve of. Well I am glad that the JW’s have your approval to disfellowship peophiles and as to the rest, just let them know that they need to clear it with you first in order for it to be OK!!!! Nothing of a personal nature in this comment…. No quote needed nor forthcoming!!! P | ||
| jeeprube Junior Member Username: jeeprube Post Number: 41 Registered: 5-2007 Posted From: 70.250.211.46 |
Perhaps you should reread my posts? I have never taken issue with Christians following the Bible's command to avoid close association with unrepentant sinners, people who have broken SPECIFIC Biblical commands. Pedophilia would certainly fall into this catagory. However, DFing people for breaking man-made rules is another topic indeed. For instance, where in the sriptures does it say to not smoke a cigerrete? Yet many are DFed every year for just this reason. It is these man made rules being placed on equal footing with God's rules that I oppose. Do I really need to mention the 8th grade reading level thing again? | ||
| praetorian Intermediate Member Username: praetorian Post Number: 109 Registered: 3-2005 Posted From: 70.89.75.242 |
Fellow you feel strongly about this, and I respect you feelings on this and OK, and I have said OK to you several times, and just for good measure, OK! I agree that any religious group, that does something like disfellowshipping for non Bible man made laws or principals is not correct OK. The matter of cigarette smoking is something that they feel is in violation of scripture, and you feel that it is not! I trust they make this clear to people going in, up front, that this is so., Now, fellow you feel this is man made and those 6 Million others (JW) you speak of, feel that it does indeed fit within the scriptures as wrong. I remind you that the Bible does not speak to many specifics today, like telephones, video games (especially violent ones) smoking pot, chewing tobacco, etc. however it does provide scriptural principals that apply to circumstances today! They feel, the JW’s, feel that smoking is one of those things that does! OK! Don’t worry, God will not let them or anyone else get away with these terrible things! P | ||
| crawly Member Username: crawly Post Number: 58 Registered: 8-2007 Posted From: 4.240.249.122 |
yup preatorian, jws were foremost in calling attention to the pedophile problem in the catholic church. i remember reading about it in many watchtower articles as jws claimed to be the "clean" "true religion" meanwhile, back at the ranch, they have a much worse problem with pedophile elders. they are such hypocrite liars. i'm so glad that this cult is being exposed for what it is and their huge pedophile problem is now documented and being delt with in court, and the victims are collecting millions of dollars in damages. | ||
| praetorian Intermediate Member Username: praetorian Post Number: 195 Registered: 3-2005 Posted From: 70.89.75.242 |
Crawly: I am glad to respond as you changed the subject. It is your view that the JW’s were “foremost” in calling attention to the pedophile problem in the Catholic Church, and I submit to you, that they were doing this along with others. Yes, I too have read many article about JW’s claiming to be a “clean” and “true religion” and yes of course the JW’s are not immune, to these and other problem, which are found in all religions, however, they do not deny it has occurred, though it is not a widespread or pervasive problem, (as folks like you would know) and in the end, people among the JW’s who do this disgusting thing, get disfellowshipped. It is not, as you represent “much worse” and again they are dealt with accordingly and then are criticized for doing so! Victims of this should rightly get what is due them, which is the maximum the law allows, and from where I come from, we dealt matters like this in a more direct way, however this takes this matter outside the arena of religion into more vigilantism. P | ||
| crawly Member Username: crawly Post Number: 60 Registered: 8-2007 Posted From: 4.240.30.197 |
don't be fooled by what preatorian has said. the jw gov body has done extensive cover-up efforts to hide their pedophile paradise that exists among their ranks as they pointed a finger at the catholic church....... the jw gov body has even had to be taken to court to get them to hand over the thousands of names of pedophiles that they have documented complaints about, that they covered up. they have recently sold properties in brooklyn new york to pay out millions in damages to pedophile victims that they hushed up for years and years, to cover up the problem. just click on some of the links here....... or type in "silent lambs jehovah's witnesses" and you can visit the jw victims site and read about the horrific cover-up and treatment of jw molestation victims. | ||
| praetorian Intermediate Member Username: praetorian Post Number: 207 Registered: 3-2005 Posted From: 70.89.75.242 |
Crawly Dude: No one on this side of the fence (computer) is fooling anyone; rather it is you that has an ax to grind and agenda here! They don’t hide their problems, as people like you are there to magnify them! They disfellowshipp people that do this! You know, you were disfellowshipped, come on confess, was it for pedophilia!!!! You seem to be real hung up on this issue!!! What are you trying to cover up? Concerning abuse, I have never stated it did not nor does it not happen as this is not true, as it has and sadly it does, but they do something about it and to say differently is a patent bold face lie! With regards to Silent Lambs, it is an organization that must be respected however it is for victims of all religions that this horrible injustice has taken place! Perhaps a call to them to see what percentage of problems are with JW’s rather than with other Christian religions may be in order to support your claims,,,,go on and find out!!! Also, I would be willing to wager (JW’s don’t wager) that if you took a poll of the people in prison (some of us know this) that you will find a good amount of people of all religions, many of one Christian denomination over others, however, I submit to you that if you should find a JW there (not counting the ones that have become one in prison) that they would be in the minority, meaning in the 1 percentile or less! I think that in and of itself speaks volumes about the evil people you speak of! Dude there are about 2 Billion Christians in the world, obviously there something is wrong with their form of Christianity!!!! P | ||
| crawly Member Username: crawly Post Number: 73 Registered: 8-2007 Posted From: 4.240.81.45 |
do you hear this jw propaganda from preatorian? just type in "silent lambs jehovah's witnesses" and click on the "silent lambs organization for jws" go read the horor stories. silent lambs is dedicated to helping jw victims. it is not a non-denominational organization..... the leader of silent lamb's name is "bill bowen" and he is an ex-jw disfellowshipped for exposing the molestation problem among jws. please everyone, notice how praetorian jws' propaganda is just a bunch of lies... | ||
| praetorian Intermediate Member Username: praetorian Post Number: 234 Registered: 3-2005 Posted From: 70.89.75.242 |
Crawly: Since you are good at repeating things I thought I would repeat a little ditty, where in I provide my “Two Cents” that I have done here before as it well applies to “ALL” of your posts and trust you will agree with some or part of it and if not, oh well, it is what it is! One Penny: A kind woman who was known for never having anything bad about anyone, was approached by a person who said, ‘I know someone you cannot say anything good about’…..After a moment, she said, then I don’t want to know, and immediately the person said, ‘Satan The Devil’……And the women thought for a moment and said……’He’s a hard worker!’ Second Penny: If the general consensus is Christians believe that all or most roads lead you to God, and JW’s do not, then ponder; Under the belief systems of general Christians, JW’s are saved! Good and Bad are found in and among all people and belief systems, Christ himself had his own bad egg, Judas Iscariot, but that does not did not make Christ wrong or bad! If Judas had written a book entitled “Proof Jesus is not the Messiah, from a man who knows”, I can tell you that none of the other apostles or those that new Jesus and believed in him, would have bought or started to re-think what they knew of Jesus, as is suggested by the people of this board. I close my comments by quoting the words of a non Christian, a Pharisee named Gamaliel, in Acts 5: 38 and 39, “And so, under the present circumstances, I say to YOU, Do no meddle with this men, but let them alone (because, if this scheme or this work is from men, it will be overthrown, but if it is from God, YOU will not be able to overthrow them) otherwise, YOU may perhaps be found fighters against God.” P.S. Hey when you were a JW, did you molest kids too? It seems this is a thing for you! Take your martini and confess! | ||
| crawly Member Username: crawly Post Number: 94 Registered: 8-2007 Posted From: 4.240.253.69 |
i guess praetorian-jw is in denial. the wicked gov body of jws is deep in trouble with child molestation cases....... they have sold off their property in brooklyn new york where the printing presses used to be, in order to pay out millions in damages to the child molestation victims. i guess praetorian-jw needs to deny it, and then change the subject to avoid people finding out about it all. | ||
| junefever Junior Member Username: junefever Post Number: 26 Registered: 8-2007 Posted From: 67.172.116.155 |
"They don’t hide their problems, as people like you are there to magnify them!" Patently untrue. Pick up their publications or go to their meetings and invariably your stunned by their non-stop self-congratulatory claims to be the only true worshippers of god, so different from the world, including the evil clergy of "Christendom." Anything that suggests they are not the pristine true Bible Students is a threat. They have a vested interest in keeping their reputation looking spotless while pointing the finger at all other religions, particularly Christian religions. "They disfellowshipp people that do this!" Yeah, right. That's why they are paying out millions in settlements to people who've showed how JWs controlling system and obsession with looking pure created untold injury and abuse to children... "With regards to Silent Lambs, it is an organization that must be respected however it is for victims of all religions that this horrible injustice has taken place! Perhaps a call to them to see what percentage of problems are with JW’s rather than with other Christian religions may be in order to support your claims,,,,go on and find out!!!" Yes, see how concerned praetorian is with the plight of the abuse victims. He's obsessed with pointing the finger elsewhere--again, to other religions. And he's flat out lying about Silent Lambs. It's an organization that was developed to address the cancerous problem of sexual abuse within the Jehovah's Witness organization. The fact that praetorian denies this shows that he is really unconcerned with what these people endured--he hasn't even looked at the site; and/or he's in denial that there is a sytstemic problem with sexual molestation within the JW's that is the result of their rigid control of membership and suppression of anything that makes them look bad. As to accusing others of pedophilia for bringing this to the fore, interesting tactic, praetorian. It has been suggested that JW's obsession with sexual purity has contributed to their repression, resulting in perversive outlets. That would explain JWs nosing into the private sexual lives and practices of married people; bringing young women and men before the committees to asked them detailed questions on their sexual encourters, i.e., did he insert his penis, did he have an orgasm, did you have an orgasm; did he fondle your breasts, did you perform oral sex, at what point did she have an orgasm? Sadly, ex-dub boards are full of people who endured such humilating and inappropriate questions. It's not hard to envsion the sexual arousal of JW leaders who saw themselves in control of such people. Rigid sexual control that borders on obession can certainly lead to secretive, perverse sexual behavior. And in the JWs case, I have no dbout it's part of the problem. If anyone is obsessed with sex, it's JWs. Their puritanical repression has and will continue to be their own demise. | ||
| junefever Junior Member Username: junefever Post Number: 27 Registered: 8-2007 Posted From: 67.172.116.155 |
"Let me get this straight….Interesting: So you agree that it is indeed OK to disfellowship a pedophile as this is done by humans, with a human factor involved, but it is not OK to disfellowship anyone else for grounds you do not approve of." See how he twists your words. Obviously common morality dictates that a person whose in a position of religious authority or who's a member in good standing in a religious organization who is found guilty of molesting children be removed and sanctioned, whether it be called disfellowshipping, excommunicating, booted out. To fail to do so shows complicity and a flagrant disregard for the welfare of children or adults who are victims. Sexual molestation, esp of children is and ILLEGAL, prosecutable offense. Not so with someone who was found to celebrate Christmas, salute a flag, support a political candidate, have a life-saving blood transfusion. Not only aren't any of those JW "offenses" illegal, they are considered perfectly normal, even desireable, practices. At least among non-cultists. Obviously there is a big difference between the two scenarios. People with a firm grounding in basic morality and common sense will understand this. | ||
| praetorian Intermediate Member Username: praetorian Post Number: 243 Registered: 3-2005 Posted From: 70.89.75.242 |
Junefever: Wow, what can I express to such a deranged and hateful response, from my standpoint of course; I feel your anger as much as Crawly's and a few others on this board, and it is sad to say the least that you live that way. You obviously feel the need to criticize me for no other reason than I do not agree with your views, and point out that others do not as well. The JW believes that the cure for all of mankind’s ailing problems is direct intervention by God, along with a government by him referred to in the Bible as the Kingdom of God. They believe that nothing else will work, and I trust you “may” be able to agree with this concept; meaning God must fix it or mankind is in the pooper! You will have to forgive my poor “irrational comments” as this is the best that I can do, as research is a good part of my professional life. I am glad I do not have you as a client!!!! In the end, if they are wrong, they will get theirs and if you and those who think like you are wrong, then so will you! This is as fair a statement as I can come up with given that you feel that I am bent to default to “irrational comments.” There is not much more to say about this subject matter as I find myself engaged in circular exchanges that are going no where, making this an ineffable subject. Perhaps instead of attacking me, you should offer from your vast experience and apparent ‘superior’ intellect what the correct solution is for all of mankind’s woes! I would very much like your response on to this as I and all readers of this post know how you feel about the JW’s and apparently yours truly! Thus all I have to offer is my “two cents.” P | ||
| praetorian Intermediate Member Username: praetorian Post Number: 244 Registered: 3-2005 Posted From: 70.89.75.242 |
Junefever: Wow, what can I express to such a deranged and hateful response, from my standpoint of course; I feel your anger as much as Crawly's and a few others on this board, and it is sad to say the least that you live that way. You obviously feel the need to criticize me for no other reason than I do not agree with your views, and point out that others do not as well. The JW believes that the cure for all of mankind’s ailing problems is direct intervention by God, along with a government by him referred to in the Bible as the Kingdom of God. They believe that nothing else will work, and I trust you “may” be able to agree with this concept; meaning God must fix it or mankind is in the pooper! You will have to forgive my poor “irrational comments” as this is the best that I can do, as research is a good part of my professional life. I am glad I do not have you as a client!!!! In the end, if they are wrong, they will get theirs and if you and those who think like you are wrong, then so will you! This is as fair a statement as I can come up with given that you feel that I am bent to default to “irrational comments.” There is not much more to say about this subject matter as I find myself engaged in circular exchanges that are going no where, making this an ineffable subject. Perhaps instead of attacking me, you should offer from your vast experience and apparent ‘superior’ intellect what the correct solution is for all of mankind’s woes! I would very much like your response on to this as I and all readers of this post know how you feel about the JW’s and apparently yours truly! Thus all I have to offer is my “two cents.” P | ||
| crawly Intermediate Member Username: crawly Post Number: 104 Registered: 8-2007 Posted From: 4.240.81.238 |
notice how preatorian is calling exjws angry for exposing their clegy abuse. yet, now he claims to be an ex-jw himself! then he changes the subject to ''god's kingdom''. preatorian, the jw leadership is in no way appointed to represent ''god's kingdom''. no, it never was....... it was always just a false prophet wolf from the beginning, that is why it is so abusive. do you believe in jesus praetorian?..... he warned about such snakes....... matt 24;24 | ||
| junefever Junior Member Username: junefever Post Number: 33 Registered: 8-2007 Posted From: 67.172.116.155 |
He's posted that exact response on at least two other threads. Not a very subtle example of typical JW thought-stopping and mind control techniques. He's on JW autopilot now. | ||
| inkorrekt Intermediate Member Username: inkorrekt Post Number: 175 Registered: 11-2005 Posted From: 71.237.125.180 |
PRAETORIAN'S clever trick is to refer to JW's in the third person. Very clever try. We know it. What is he trying to accomplish? We know who he is and who they are. But, he does not know who he is.This is his problem. Reason: Pride and dishonesty. When they feel they are the chosen 144,000, rest of us do not count. He has attacked each one of us. By attacking the messengers(us) he is evading the questions.This makes him feel better. He has offered to send the volumes of his e-mail to me to clarify very simple direct questions. This is exactly what the AWAKE magazine does. IT does not say anything about anything. After reading them, any reasonable person will get lost and confused more than before reading this. These are empty words meaning nothing. Probably, PRAETORIAN is the editor of the AWAKE magazine.All I am asking him to do is to give me simple answers. That is all. I do not want him to CLOG my mail boxes!!!!!!!! |
