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     Anonymous |
Falun Gong Practitioner Not Beaten to Death But Killed by Electric Shock Cui Dezhen, a Falun Gong practitioner from east China's Shandong Province, was not beaten to death as asserted by the Falun Gong headquarters abroad, but killed accidentally by an electric shock while spreading propaganda materials on the cult+++ Sources with local police said Cui got hit by an electric shock when he was posting illegal Falun Gong materials on a high-tension wire pole in his home village while he was following the directions from the Falun Gong headquarters abroad. Cui, a farmer born in September 1970 in Lushang Village in Laixi City, Shandong, became a Falun Gong practitioner in the spring of 1999 and continued practicing even after the Chinese government declared Falun Gong as a cult and banned it according to law in July 1999. Whole course of the incident Cui, together with Wang Ruixiang, Zhang Yuzhen and Cui Dexiu, all Falun Gong followers, spent about three hours listening to Falun Gong cassette tapes at Cui's home before they went out to spread Falun Gong materials separately around 21:00 December 28, 2001. At about 22:00 that day, local police received a call from Cui' s elder brother Cui Dedong, saying that the younger Cui was found lying unconsciously under a high-tension wire pole in the village and was sent to the Laixi No.2 People's Hospital. When police arrived at the hospital, Cui was dead already. Forensic experts found burns over Cui's hands and on the back of his right knee+++ (Beijing Time) Monday, March 25, 2002 http://english.peopledaily.com.cn/200203/25/eng20020325_92767.shtml | ||
| Anonymous |
Arrests reported over Falun Gong TV transmission in northern China Tue Apr 2, 1:43 AM ET By CHRISTOPHER BODEEN, Associated Press Writer BEIJING - Several followers of the banned Falun Gong (news - web sites) meditation sect have been arrested and charged with hacking into a northern Chinese cable television system to broadcast material about the group, a state newspaper reported Tuesday. At least 18 Falun Gong followers had taken part in the incident, according to China Women's News. The article did not say how many were arrested or what penalty they faced if found guilty. The March 5 broadcast cut into prime-time 7 p.m. programming in the cities of Changchun and Songyuan in Jilin province, "sabotaging public order and disrupting the normal lives of the masses of the people," the report said. ***China has detained thousands of Falun Gong members, and the group's organizers abroad say more than 350 have died in custody. Fearful of the size and organizing power of Falun Gong's membership, the Communist government has pursued the group relentlessly since banning it in mid-1999 as an "evil cult" and has sentenced its members to up to life in prison for sect-related activities. The government says Falun Gong is a public nuisance that deludes members with dangerous teachings and seeks to sabotage China. ***The article said a group of followers led by two men, Liang Zhenxing and Zhao Jie, and one woman, Zhou Renjun, began planning the broadcast early in December. Liang borrowed a storage space and wrote up instructions, spending 11,000 yuan (dlrs 1,340) of his own money to buy equipment, it said. The group tested the plan several times and scouted out possible locations to break into the cable system in several northern cities, the paper said. Learning that Falun Gong followers were going to be sentenced in Changchun on March 6, they chose the evening before to act to "disrupt the normal sentencing work of the court," the paper said. The report didn't give details of the broadcast or say when arrests had occurred. But it said one conspirator, Liu Chengjun, set fire to a straw shack where he was hiding when police arrested him, then injured four officers by crashing the police car that was taking him away. A Changchun cable company confirmed the pirate broadcast last month, saying it lasted about 10 minutes but declining to give details. A Changchun government official said March 7 that one person had been arrested in connection with it, but also gave no further information.*** http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20020402/ap_wo_en_ge/china_banned_sect_4&printer=1 | ||
| Anonymous |
American, Canadian detained in China 2002-03-31 The Associated Press BEIJING -- An American and a Canadian follower of Falun Gong have been detained in Beijing, where they came to protest China's ban on the meditation sect, supporters abroad said Friday. Jason Pomerleau, 25, and Christine Loftus, 22, were detained outside a market Thursday afternoon, the group said in an e-mail sent to reporters. The statement was sent with a photo of two people identified as Pomerleau and Loftus being taken away by security guards>>> http://www.newsok.com/cgi-bin/show_article?ID=841441&pic=none&TP=getarticle | ||
| Anonymous |
Her face scarred with massive skin grafts and her hands missing, Chen Guo recalls the events which led her to set herself on fire in Beijing's Tiananmen Square more than a year ago. "Falun Gong is indeed an evil cult and it led me to this," said Chen Guo, showing her horrific injuries to Chinese and foreign reporters at a hospital in Henan province, central China. A former Falun Gong believer, Chen joined her mother Hao Huijun in setting herself alight. They were both severely burned...Another mother, Liu Chunling, and her 12-year-old daughter, Liu Siying, died. "I remember Li Hongzhi (the leader of Falun Gong) published a lecture entitled 'Beyond Tolerance' and after reading it, we decided not to wait any longer," Chen said. "We felt we must strengthen the force of Falun Gong in a special way and at that time we thought of self-immolation," she said...."We went there just wanting to attain 'all-round fulfillment' claimed by Li Hongzhi," he said....Many Falun Gong practitioners throughout the country have killed other people or committed suicide in attempts to "ascend to Heaven" or "attain all-round fulfillment" in line with Li's teaching of "neglecting life and death". To date, up to 1,660 practitioners and innocent people have died in such incidents. From http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/2002-04/07/content_348093.htm and front page of http://www.factnet.org/ | ||
| Anonymous |
Lone sect activist marks year three A follower of the outlawed Falun Gong spiritual group was arrested in Tiananmen Square yesterday amid tight security on the third anniversary of the movement's landmark protest that led to its ban. Also yesterday, a rights group said more than 2,000 people had been rounded up since last month in Changchun, Jilin province, after supporters of the group hijacked the local cable television network to show pro-Falun Gong films. Of those detained, 150 have already been sent to labour camps, the Hong Kong-based Information Centre for Human Rights and Democracy said. Yesterday's lone protester, a middle-aged Chinese woman, was swiftly tackled by police as she ran through Tiananmen Square carrying a yellow banner, witnesses said. Police took her to a waiting van and began shooing away a crowd of curious tourists. The episode lasted just 15 seconds. Despite official wariness shown by a highly visible police presence, no other protests were seen by early afternoon. On April 25, 1999, about 10,000 Falun Gong practitioners surrounded the Zhongnanhai headquarters of the Communist Party, a few hundred metres from Tiananmen Square, to demand the right to be recognised by the Government as an organisation and protest against official harassment. In the past two years practitioners have marked the date with sporadic protests on Tiananmen, the spiritual heart of the communist regime. Scores of uniformed civilian and paramilitary police as well as plain-clothes officers could be seen patrolling the vast square yesterday. The Hong Kong-based rights group appealed for the international community to put pressure on China to end its crackdown on Falun Gong, particularly in Changchun. The hijacking of the airwaves on March 5 was a propaganda coup for the sect. According to the rights group, nine people have been formally charged with illegal activities connected to cults and damaging broadcast equipment. But Falun Gong activity has fallen greatly during the past year or so, as indicated by yesterday's solitary protest. South China Morning Post April 26, 2002 http://iso.hrichina.org:8151/iso/news_item.adp?news_id=768 | ||
| Anonymous |
Activists: Beijing ordered crackdown Posted: Thursday May 02, 2002 6:37 PM BEIJING (AP) -- Telling police to "arrest them, then do the paperwork," China is girding for the 2008 Olympics by ordering a crackdown on Falun Gong and all other dissent in a northeastern province, according to a document that Chinese democracy activists say is an official decree. ### The one-page order, directed to police bureaus and courts in Jilin, said it came from that northeastern province's police headquarters and top court. It appeared to sanction the arrest of Falun Gong practitioners even without formal warrants. The Free China Movement faxed a photocopy of the document to reporters in Beijing. ### The Connecticut-based China Support Network, a lobbying group, called the document "a smoking gun" -- and a problem for the International Olympic Committee. "Do the executives there in fact sanction the abuse of human rights under the cheerfully applied seal of the Olympics?" it said in a statement. "If the IOC has a shred of humanity, it will deny China the opportunity to host these games." A senior Beijing Olympic organizing official, Wang Wei, expressed doubt about the document's authenticity but said he could not comment. Jilin police said they had no information and asked why reporters were interested. ### The decree, titled "Notice on severely striking illegal organizations," bore two official-looking seals and said it was designed "to better welcome the smooth holding of the 2008 Olympic Games in our country" and "to stabilize social order." The notice ordered that organizers of large protests "who refuse to mend their ways" be sentenced to up to three years" imprisonment and fined US$1,200. Leaders of "illegal organizations," it added, "should be punished severely." "Falun Gong practitioners and instigators should be cracked down upon to a greater degree," the order said. "First arrest them, then do the paperwork." # http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/olympics/news/2002/05/02/china_crackdown_ap/ | ||
| Anonymous |
Last updated at: (Beijing Time) Tuesday, May 14, 2002 Falun Gong Mother Chokes Daughter to Death A Falun Gong devotee choked her nine-year-old daughter to death while trying to exorcise a "demon" out of the girl's body in Yichun, northeast China's Heilongjiang Province. Guan Shuyun, 44, killed her daughter, Dai Nan, in their home on April 22 as about 40 other Falun Gong practitioners stood by. Guan began to practise Falun Gong in April 1997. She was sentenced to labor education after engaging in illegal cult activities in July 2000, and was released ahead of the due date in February 2001. After returning home, she pretended to give up Falun Gong, but actually kept close contact with other cult members and continued to "develop" her so-called "inner spirit", Guan admitted. On April 19, Guan started to invite about 40 Falun Gong practitioners from other cities in the province to gather at her home. She told them she would like to share a few thoughts with them. On the morning of April 22, Guan refused to allow her daughter to go to school, saying the girl had been possessed by demon, which had to be exorcised immediately. Guan lifted Dai Nan on to a bed, and asked her sternly, "Who are you? Where are you from? And how much evil have you done?" Guan kept slapping her daughter on the face, and asked others to join in the beating despite the girl begging for it to stop. When Dai Nan cried for help, Guan said the demon was speaking. Guan then began to clutch Dai's throat tightly and asked other Falun Gong members to come forward and hold Dai still. With Guan fiercely clutching her daughter's throat, no one dared to stop her for fear of being possessed by the demon. Some just knelt down and prayed, some retreated to the corner and some just stood by looking. Guan also forbade others to come close to her daughter. She said if the child was moved, the demon would move out again and prevent them - the Falun Gong followers - from "flying to heaven." When Dai Keqin, Guan's husband came back, he found their daughter dead, but Guan called on others to tie Dai Keqin. Until noon, Dai escaped from the house and reported the case to the police. ,,,,"It is Falun Gong that has killed my daughter," said Dai Keqin, crying as she described the whole process. "Even shooting all of them could not vent my anger.",,,, From http://english.peopledaily.com.cn/200205/13/eng20020513_95542.shtml | ||
| Anonymous |
Falun Gong followers sentenced to prison for breaking into cable TV in China The Associated Press 5/19/02 2:29 AM BEIJING (AP) -- A Chinese court has sentenced four Falun Gong followers to prison terms ranging from seven to 16 years for hacking into a cable television network and broadcasting information about the banned group, state media said. >>>Tapping into TV stations has been one tactic used this year by Falun Gong in its fight against a government crackdown that has driven followers underground or away from the group. Aside from Chongqing, Falun Gong followers have also hacked into TV networks in at least three other cities -- Harbin, Changchun and Anshan, all in the northeast, Chinese authorities say. Followers also post fliers and use the Internet to publicize the group's views. China's government banned Falun Gong in July 1999 as a threat to communist rule and a social menace. The government says Falun Gong is a cult that has caused 1,700 deaths. >>> Copyright 2002 Associated Press. All rights reserved. ex http://www.nj.com/newsflash/international/index.ssf?/cgi-free/getstory_ssf.cgi?a0408_BC_China-FalunGong&&news&newsflash-international | ||
| Anonymous |
Falun Gong members barred from Iceland during visit by Chinese president By RICHARD MIDDLETON The Associated Press 6/7/02 4:02 PM REYKAJVIK, Iceland (AP) -- The government on Friday barred all Falun Gong members from entering Iceland in a bid to prevent a large demonstration against Chinese President Jiang Zemin when he visits the country next week. The government said it is the first time the country has banned members of any movement or international organization from visiting Iceland. The move was taken in an effort to avoid the kind of protest that occurred the last time a top Chinese officials visited the country. ^^^ In Reykajvik, Ministry of Justice officials announced the Falun Gong ban on Friday, saying they had been alerted to a large planned protest against Jiang by Interpol and authorities in countries such as the United States. Hundreds of foreign Falun Gong members were due in Iceland for the protest, and the government does not have the resources to control it and maintain public order, said Bjorn Fridfinnsson, a ministry secretary. ex http://www.nj.com/newsflash/international/index.ssf?/cgi-free/getstory_ssf.cgi?a0739_BC_Iceland-FalunGong&&news&newsflash-international | ||
| Anonymous |
Falun Gong hacks into Chinese TV June 26, 2002 Posted: 1356 GMT BEIJING, China (AP) -- Falun Gong supporters interrupted a cable-television program in an eastern Chinese city to broadcast an image of a banner saying the banned group is good, a local police official said Wednesday. The 10-minute broadcast interrupted a music program on state television at about 7:10 p.m. on Friday in Laiyang, a city in Shandong province, said the police official, who would give only his surname, Zhang. It showed a banner saying, "Falun Dafa is good" in Chinese, according to Zhang. Falun Dafa is another name for the group. ---Despite the crackdown, activists showed a similar scene for a few seconds at about 8 p.m. on Tuesday in Yantai, another city in Shandong, the Information Center said. Falun Gong activists have broken into cable television systems in at least four other cities to broadcast protests. ---The other incidents occurred in the cities of Chongqing in the southwest and Harbin, Changchun and Anshan in the northeast. People arrested in the other incidents have been sentenced to up to 16 years in prison. from http://europe.cnn.com/2002/WORLD/asiapcf/east/06/26/china.fgong.ap/index.html | ||
| Noahmag |
Top-Level Chinese Communist Party Official Authors Chilling New Book on Jiang Zemin Part of Jiang’s Inner Circle, Author Gives Harrowing Account of the "How" and "Why" Regarding Jiang’s Decision to "Eradicate" Falun Gong (6/13/2002 15:48) "this book does present a wealth of information that we know to be true from our own sources. It also corroborates reports that have been issued by Amnesty International, the Hong Kong Information Center for Human Rights and Democracy and other human rights organizations." The 88-page book is a piece by piece dissection of the treatment of Falun Gong at the hands of Jiang Zemin, covering a range of topics from the actual situation in forced labor camps to the widespread use of state-run media to frame-up and demonize Falun Gong in the eyes of the public. Amidst the information revealed by the author is that the actual death count of Falun Gong practitioners in China is well over 7,000 -- as opposed to the 1,600 figure frequently reported by the Falun Dafa Information Center. The author also claims to have vast amounts of evidence regarding the persecution of Falun Gong: "We have a well-established network of handpicked spies working for us from within the confines of the Chinese prisons themselves. They get to see Jiang’s brand of terrorism ‘up close and personal.’ ... we have taken pictures of many of the various torture devices used on Practitioners, as well as their lifeless battered bodies covered in wounds lying on the floors of their cells... we have recordings of private meetings among the guards in which they discuss the strategy of how to deal with the tortured victim’s death, and what ‘story’ they will all agree to give the family when they report this death... When the time is right, this evidence will be made known to the public - hopefully before the 2008 Olympics. The book is free to download from the publisher’s website at: http://www.deep6-publishing.org/ | ||
| Noah |
Pretty much the whole world knows that 2 time nobel peace prize nominee Li Hongzhi is not at all what the Chinese Ministry of Propaganda would like the world to believe. While any group has zealots, this one has won nearly 1000 awards and recognition from legislators to mayors worldwide. The ONLY source of negative reports are the blatantly fabricated stories from the Chinese press that include people who do not even exist doing things that are completely fabricated. It is not even a religion. There is no worship of any kind. People simply practice living by the standards of Truth-compassion-Forbearance in their everyday lives. It also includes some slow moving exercises designed to improve health etc. Of course for their own agenda, some people will hang on every word of the Communist Chinese press. They are not even allowed to look at CNN on the internet for fear they learn the truth. It truly beyond the point where any credible western media will carry any of the ridiculous propaganda. | ||
| Anonymous |
Spiritual Saboteurs BY MATTHEW FORNEY Sunday, Jun. 30, 2002 Followers of the Chinese spiritual practice Falun Gong often use high-tech tools to spread their message in China, where the sect is banned. But the group's latest tactic — overriding Chinese satellite Sinosat 1 and replacing its regular programming for 10 minutes last week with fuzzy text reading "Falun Dafa Is Good"--stunned government officials with its sophistication. (Falun Dafa is the name given to the group's beliefs.) To pull off the feat, the activists needed a nearly 30-ft. satellite dish plus about $1 million worth of equipment that would fire a perfectly tuned beam at Sinosat 1. Since two beams on the same frequency yield nothing but static, someone in Beijing had to shut down the official programming to let the illicit message through. The override was not a failure of Sinosat's encryption technology, says Ian Barnard, who runs China operations for the South African firm MIH, provider of the encryption software. So was it inept technicians? Or are there Falun Gong sympathizers somewhere in the state-run broadcasting industry? http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1101020708-267773,00.html | ||
| Anonymous |
US resolution angers Beijing Friday, 26 July, 2002, 09:55 GMT 10:55 UK China has reacted angrily to a resolution passed by the US Congress on Wednesday that calls for an end to persecution of members of the Falun Gong spiritual sect. ...The resolution calls for the release of thousands of Falun Gong followers held in jail or in re-education camps and claims the ban on the sect violates the Chinese constitution. ...Beijing's official English-language newspaper, China Daily, said the Chinese Government believed the resolution had been drafted ''with ulterior motives and malicious intent'' and it ''ignores the crimes committed by the cult''. ...Falun Gong was outlawed in 1999 after a mass protest in Tiananmen Square that unnerved leaders. The sect was banned after a mass protest in Tiananmen Square The US resolution also demanded China ''put an end to the practices of torture and other cruel, inhumane, and degrading treatment against them and other prisoners of conscience". This month, Chinese state media denounced what they said was the hijacking in June of nationwide satellite television signals by Falun Gong. Messages from Falun Gong allegedly cut into broadcasts of the World Cup final for viewers in remote and rural areas. From http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/2153018.stm | ||
| Anonymous |
Asia Pacific Hong Kong Judge Convicts Falun Gong Members for Public Obstruction Heda Bayron Hong Kong 15 Aug 2002 09:23 UTC In Hong Kong, 16 Falun Gong followers have been found guilty of public obstruction during an anti-China protest early this year. Hong Kong's first trial involving Falun Gong followers ended Thursday with 16 people convicted for causing public obstruction during a protest in March. The defendants, mostly Hong Kong residents, also included four Swiss and a New Zealand citizen. Nine of the defendants also were convicted of the more serious charge of obstructing the police while three were found guilty of assaulting police officers. In his ruling, Judge Symon Wong said the defendants were in "open defiance of the laws of Hong Kong" when they blocked public access outside the Chinese government's liaison office in the territory. The defendants denied disrupting public order while demonstrating against China's crackdown on the group's followers. Police broke up the protest in Hong Kong and a clash erupted. ---Judge Wong said the verdict has nothing to do with the practice of Falun Gong in Hong Kong. He fined all the defendants a few hundred dollars. They faced maximum penalties of $640 in fines and two years in prison. see http://www.voanews.com/article.cfm?objectID=1EFC1479-7116-4F7E-90F1DFF4FFFEF32C&title=Hong%20Kong%20Judge%20Convicts%20Falun%20Gong%20Members%20for%20Public%20Obstruction&catOID=45C9C78B-88AD-11D4-A57200A0CC5EE46C | ||
| Anonymous |
Beleiving in Falun Gong and Truthfulness, Compassion, and Tolerence has transformed my life in so many positve ways. I used to be hot-headed, quick to anger, quick to blaim others. Reading Falun Gong's book, Zhuan Falun, along with practicing the gentle meditation has helped me take control of my anger, realize that every problem I have in my life is caused by me, not by others. I've taken responsibilty for myself, and life has new meaning. Now I do a better job at work without even trying, because my moral charecter has improved. This practice is not a religion, a cult, or whatever. I've been practicing for a year, and nobody has ever asked me for a dime, asked me to do anything really. Everything I've done for Falun Gong--writing my congressman, teaching the excercises to those who would like to learn--has been completely voluntary. I hope by my words more people can see through the lies spread by a paranoid regime and see the true, peaceful nature of Falun Gong. None of the news from the State-run Chinese papers is true, every single bit about Falun Gong practitioners killing people is fabrication. Ask yourself this: why hasn't it ever happened any where else in the world? There are millions of Falun Gong practitioners in over 30 coutries, yet not one case of a Falun Gong practioner doing any such evil things. Yet thousands of cases in China? How can that be explained? There is only one clear explanation: every bit of news that comes from China is a lie. Don't beleive me? Why don't you read Zhuan Falun For yourself and find out. | ||
| Anonymous |
Two Falun Gong Practitioners Accused of Killing Maid Last updated at: (Beijing Time) Monday, August 26, 2002 Two obsessed female Falun Gong practitioners have admitted killing a maid in a hostel in northwest China in a move they described as releasing her soul from purgatory, according to police. Police in Xianyang city in Shaanxi Province were told about 11 a.m. on March 1 that Mai Xinping, a maid at Hongbin Hostel, had been strangled in a hostel room. When they went to the hostel south of a coach station on Xilan Road, the police discovered the maid on a bed in Room 210 apparently strangled with a nylon rope. There were marks on her body to indicate a struggle, according to their report. The police later concluded two women from Xinjiang Uygur Autonomous Region who left Room 210 at about 11 a.m. that day were the most likely suspects. From one of the women's ID code the hostel recorded when she checked in, police learned from their counterparts in Xinjiang she was Lin Chunmei, an obsessed Falun Gong practitioner. Police did not locate the other woman named Wen Yuping, another obsessed Falun Gong practitioner, until July. The two women have been arrested by police and confessed they killed the maid to help the victim "enjoy happiness in heaven". In an interview with Xinhua, the two women who are in police custody said what they had done was "a good thing", and they committed the murder simply to release souls from purgatory. They also gave the police details of the killing. They claimed they could talk with their Falun Gong leader, Li Hongzhi, through "voice induction" without meeting face to face. During their "talks" with Li Hongzhi, they said, Li agreed with their plan to release souls from purgatory, adding they would do something very great in the future, or kill "evil people". "All those who condemn Falun Gong and Li Hongzhi, and sabotage the Falun Gong are evil people," they said. Lin Chunmei, 38, who used to be a staff member of the Construction Bank in Xinjiang, began practising Falun Gong in 1998. Wen Yuping, 42, was sentenced to three years imprisonment with a four-year stay in 2000 on a charge of theft after she was dismissed as a gas station cashier because of financial problems in 1997. From http://english.peopledaily.com.cn/200208/26/eng20020826_102054.shtml | ||
| Anonymous |
Cult Members Sentenced 15 Falun Gong cult followers have been sentenced to prison terms ranging from 4 to 20 years by a court in northeast China's Changchun City. ///On March 5, these 15 Falun Gong practitioners, including prime culprits Zhou Runjun and Liu Weiming, cut TV cables at three places in Changchun and Songyuan cities of Liaoning Province. Then they connected the cables to their own transmission equipment, and sent Falun Gong propaganda to cable TV subscribers in four districts in Changchun and 16,000 subscribers in Songyuan. ///One criminal was caught red-handed, while the others were caught gradually over several months. All the 15 suspects confessed to their crime. /// at http://www.crinews.com/english/2002/Sep/71864.htm | ||
| Anonymous |
Falun Gong Member Gets Death Penalty October 18, 2002 BEIJING- A follower of the Falun Gong spiritual movement in northeastern China has been sentenced to death for strangling a daughter she believed was possessed by a demon, a state-controlled newspaper reported Friday. Guan Shuyun was convicted in Heilongjiang province of murder and other charges related to her alleged involvement with the banned spiritual movement. The court granted her a two-year reprieve before the sentence is to be carried out, the Legal Daily reported. ... http://www.lasvegassun.com/sunbin/stories/w-asia/2002/oct/18/101801779.html | ||
| Anonymous |
Eight Falun Gong practitioners sentenced to jail for highjacking TV Source: Associated Press Publication date: 2002-12-27 BEIJING (AP) -- Eight Falun Gong members have been sentenced to up to 13 years in prison for hijacking local television and radio signals in eastern China's Anhui province to promote the banned spiritual movement, the official Xinhua News Agency said Saturday. The Hefei Intermediate Court recently upheld a lower court's decision to give the followers sentences of between five to 13 years, Xinhua said. The Hefei court based its decision on evidence that the eight purchased tools and equipment which helped them take over TV and radio signals at 9 p.m. on May 31 to publicize the movement, Xinhua said, without elaborating. At least 3,900 households were affected during the 30-minute blackout, during which pirate transmissions touting the benefits of the group were played, Xinhua said. China has said that such transmissions have ``disrupted the public order'' and go against international communications standards. ***In recent months, Falun Gong members have hacked into local TV feeds and broadcasts. On Sept. 9, Xinhua reported that signals of a service designed to enable remote villages across the country to see broadcasts from China Central Television, or CCTV, the leading government-run network, were jammed. Also in September, 15 people were convicted of breaking into a cable television system to show videos protesting China's ban on Falun Gong and were sentenced to up to 20 years in prison. The March 5 broadcasts in the northeastern city of Changchun and nearby Songyuan marked the start of the hacking campaign. see http://yellowbrix.com/pages/newsreal/Story.nsp?story_id=35465252 | ||
| Anonymous |
China Jails 180 Falun Gong Members for SARS Rumors Reuters Thursday, June 5, 2003; 8:33 AM BEIJING (Reuters) - China has detained 180 members of the banned Falun Gong spiritual group for spreading rumors and recruiting new followers amid the SARS epidemic, state radio said on Thursday. The practitioners were all arrested in the northern province of Hebei, it reported. Police officials were not immediately available for comment. "They spread doomsday theories in a bid to cause panic in society and claimed that the SARS outbreak in China was a warning to those who persecute and hate the Falun Dafa," it said, using another name for the group. "They also spread falsehoods that people who practice Falun Gong will not contract SARS in order to try to spread the cult and recruit more followers," it said. ::: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A18206-2003Jun5.html | ||
| Dan |
Last night, China’s Xinhua News Agency – the mouthpiece of the Chinese Communist Party – issued a report about an individual who has been sentenced to death for a number of killings he committed that Xinhua says were “inspired … by Falun Gong.” This morning, the BBC, CBC and Reuters repeated this report as if Xinhua were a credible source of information on Falun Gong. The claims put forth by Xinhua in this story follow a pattern of fabricated reports that have – under the orders of former Chinese leader Jiang Zemin – been faithfully churned out by China’s state-run media over the last four-plus years in an attempt to legitimize the persecution against Falun Gong, or at least dull the interest of would-be critics around the world. Amnesty International and Human Rights Watch have called these claims, “unproven,” “bogus” and part of a “massive propaganda campaign,” and they are the exact opposite from how Falun Gong is known around the world. The United States Congress, for example, said in Concurrent Resolution 188, which passed unanimously by a 420-0 vote: “Falun Gong is a peaceful and nonviolent form of personal belief and practice with millions of adherents in China and elsewhere...” As we saw in the recent decision against two former Rwandan media execs. found guilty of genocide for inciting hatred among the Rwandan people, the media plays an active role in contributing to how people think about, and sometimes act upon, various issues around the world. By issuing reports like this that simply repeat wild, unfounded claims by the Chinese regime, the BBC, CBC and Reuters are inadvertently propagating the very same hate propaganda Jiang Zemin has used for more than four years to turn Chinese people against themselves, and incite them to “help” in the “fight” against Falun Gong. Through this ill-conceived campaign, countless Chinese citizens have been lead into assisting with persecuting their fellow countrymen and women. Already this morning several Chinese newspapers have picked up the BBC’s report and used it to attack Falun Gong. This in turn can rouse the anger of Chinese people in local communities, inciting more to take part in an already-systematic persecution against Falun Gong: A persecution that has been classified as 'genocide' by a number of the world's leading human rights attorneys, and has resulted in more than a dozen lawsuits around the world against Jiang Zemin and a few other top Chinese leaders. These issues deserve careful consideration, for when is the responsibility of media to report accurately, fairly and responsibly greater than when it reports on matters that involve the life and death of so many? The people of the world must have the confidence that media companies who are part of the world's free press can bear this burden with integrity and a sense of responsibility for the influence their reports wield. In the past, those following Jiang Zemin to persecute Falun Gong have often distributed anti-Falun Gong propaganda with a calculated purpose – to divert attention away from horrific crimes against humanity committed against Falun Gong practitioners in China. In the case of this story, perhaps they are trying to divert the world’s attention away from a breaking news story. That is, the story of a Falun Gong practitioner who had been named in an Amnesty International “Urgent Action,” and who died the day after Christmas after 21 months of torture and abuse in custody. Mr. Chengjun Liu had been sentenced to 19 years in prison for broadcasting programs in China’s northeastern city of Changchun that exposed the atrocities against Falun Gong practitioners in China and the attempts of Jiang Zemin to cover them up. | ||
| Dan |
Findings from Initial Investigation of the Zhejiang Beggar Murder Case By the World Organization to Investigate the Persecution of Falun Gong (WOIPFG) July 3rd, 2003 On July 2, 2003, the Xinhua News Agency reported from Zhejiang Province an article entitled “Suspect for Poisoning 16 Beggars Is a Falun Gong Member”. The subtitle was “Huge Poison-Murder Case in Zhejiang Province Solved”. The reporter was Lu Jin. This article was released at 17:37:16 Beijing time. The article mentioned a suspect by the name of Chen Fuzhao and claimed that he was a “Falun Gong member.” The World Organization to Investigate the Persecution of Falun Gong (WOIPFG) investigated this case. The initial findings are as follows. The Xinhua News Agency Drew Conclusions of the Case Prematurely, Contradicting the Local Report The aforementioned July 2 article of the Xinhua News Agency said that the June 26 poison-murder case in Cangnan County, Wenzhou City, was solved “last night.” This conclusion is not consistent with published reports out of Wenzhou City. On the same day of the Xinhua News Agency’s report, there was a local report published at 10:31:10 a.m. on the “Metropolitan Express” (Du Shi Kuai Bao) newspaper, written by reporter Tang Zewen, who was responsible for local criminal cases. The title of the article was “14 Beggars Die Under Unusual Circumstances in a Month in Longgang”. This report presented more details than the Xinhua News Agency article: “A man on a motorcycle gave a beggar, an old lady, a bottle of spring water. The old lady fell to the ground and died shortly after drinking the water.” “There were earlier major cases of murdering beggars in Lucheng District, Wenzhou City. The police arrested Chen Yongfeng on May 24 and concluded that he killed ten beggars, taking apart nine of the corpses. Between the date of Chen’s arrest and June 26, when seven beggars died, another seven beggars died under unusual circumstances during the same month. So far the police are not clear whether the deaths of these 14 people have anything to do with the case of Chen Yongfeng.” The report also mentioned that the Minister of Public Security Zhou Yongkang and the Secretary of Zhejiang Province issued orders, demanding the police to solve the cases quickly. When Tang Zewen published the report at 10:31:10 on July 2, the case was not solved yet. However, in the Xinhua News Agency article on July 2, the case was solved “last night,” or July 1. In China, such local criminal cases are usually followed and reported by local media. The Xinhua News Agency reported conclusions before the local media and gave a different version of the report. The local report referred to seven people killed, including six men and one woman, who were all from other areas. Their ages ranged between 50 and 70. This was a typical media report on criminal cases, with details of the victims’ gender, age, and so on. The report by the Xinhua News Agency lacked detail, giving no background or specifics of the case. The article appeared to be more focused on linking the case to Falun Gong than anything else. Result of the Initial Investigation of WOIPFG: the Case Has Not Been Solved Department of Propaganda in Cangnan County, Wenzhou City, Location of the Murder Case: A member of the Department told us that the case had not been solved. He has not heard that the suspect was a Falun Gong practitioner. “The local newspaper didn’t report this. More than 500 policemen, many of them are my friends, are still assigned to investigating this case.” The Radio and TV Broadcasting Bureau in Cangnan County, Wenzhou City: A man working in the Bureau told us that there were no such local reports, nor any reports about the suspect being a Falun Gong practitioner. The Cangnan County Government: An official at the Cangnan County government, when asked about Chen Fuzhao, told WOIPFG that Chen was a psychiatric patient. The Ministry of Public Security Highlighted This Case Over Several Similar Cases There have been several similar murder cases in Longgang Town, Cangnan County, Wenzhou City: the May 24 case and another 7 deaths between May 24 and June 26. However, these cases didn’t get the attention of the provincial government and didn’t receive much media coverage. After the “Metropolitan Express” reported the attention of the provincial government and the high-ranking officials to the June 26 case, suddenly the case was resolved according to the Xinhua News Agency and the suspect was a Falun Gong practitioner. After the Xinhua News Agency article was published, many Chinese media outlets carried it. The initial version of this Xinhua News Agency article listed the Tang Zewen report from Wenzhou City as a related report. WOIPFG found this link removed when viewing the web page again at about 11 p.m. Beijing time on July 2. Conclusion Based on our initial findings, this appears to be another case of the Xinhua News Agency and high-ranking officials in the Ministry of Public Security framing Falun Gong with murder. | ||
| Dan |
If you want to learn the truth about Falun Dafa please visit the web sites www.falundafa.org and www.faluninfo.net Please don't believe the lies told about us by unscrupulous people who have ulterior motives. Yours truly, Dan. | ||
| k |
This is all so sad to read. On this New Year day i wish everyone can know the truth about Falun Gong by themselve. Why is there so many lies spread about Falun Gong, this is an important questions you can ask! Just a few facts: - Falun Gong teaches Truth Compassion Tolerance - Many officials around the world have recongnised the goodness of Falun Gong teaching and the people learning it. - Amnesty international has condemned the false report concerning the self immolation. The self immolation reported by the media have been proven to be staged. http://www.clearwisdom.ca/emh/special_column/self-immolation.html - The teaching of Falun Gong prohibit Killing others and oneself. - No money is collected and the practitionners share their practice volontarely with others without expecting anything in return. - You can download the book Zhuan Falun for free from www.falundafa.org This book contain the complete teaching of Falun Gong (also called Falun Dafa). Part of the teaching is to value life and always think about others first. - This web site is reporting all the lies being spread by China's government to defame Falun Gong and to justify their persecution to the world. If they can stage a self immolation, it is also easy for them to make up horrible news such as the ones we can read on this page. The persecution of Falun Gong has violated all 33 articles of the human ritgh chart as well as China own constition. I sincerely hope you can see through those lies and not be deceived. | ||
| Anonymous |
Dear people, How anyone could print such lies and deception about a teaching so true and pure as Falun Dafa just shows how low the morality of human-beings have fallen. I am a Falun Dafa practioner, and have become a better person each day because I live my life by the great law of the Universe, Truthfullness-Compassion-forbearance. If we all followed these truths this world would be a better place for future generations. I hope these people reconsider these lies, and realize they are damaging not only the truth in others eyes but their own. | ||
| Anonymous |
To All, Anyone who wants to learn the truth about Falun Gong please check the sites out your selves, since evil lurks everywhere, we can't always believe what we hear. Happy New Year I hope everyone learns the truth about Falun Gong a very AWESOME teaching. TRUTH-COMPASSION-TOLERANCE to all falundafa.org | ||
| Chinese |
Please NEVER believe the Communist Chinese Government ‘s propaganda against Falun Gong! The people.com.cn and the xinhuanet.com are both the communist China’s official media. Do you still remember the cover-up of the SARS by the Chinese Communist? They don’t care about the life of people at all. Do you know that thousands of Christians and Tibetan monks are labeled as “evil cult” too? Who are the most evil cults that have killed millions of innocent people? You should know about it: the communist party of China and the National Socialist German Workers Party (NSDAP, later nicknamed the Nazi Party), which share very similar brutal characteristics towards innocent people. | ||
| Anonymous |
Please NEVER believe the Communist Chinese Government ‘s propaganda against Falun Gong! The people.com.cn and the xinhuanet.com are both the communist China’s official media. Do you still remember the cover-up of the SARS by the Chinese Communist? They don’t care about the life of people at all. Do you know that thousands of Christians and Tibetan monks are labeled as “evil cult” too? Who are the most evil cults that have killed millions of innocent people? You should know it: the communist party of China and the National Socialist German Workers Party (NSDAP, later nicknamed the Nazi Party), which share very similar brutal characteristics towards innocent people. | ||
| Dan |
French Authorities Bow to Jiang Regime Pressure and Arrest Falun Gong Practitioners during Chinese New Year Event in Paris Over weekend of January 24th and 25th, 2004, France began the "Year of China in France" cultural event with a large parade and other similar events. During the activities, 20 Chinese and Western Falun Gong practitioners were arrested, simply because they wore yellow scarves or yellow sweaters displaying the words "Falun Gong" or "Zhen Shan Ren" ("Truthfulness, Compassion, Forbearance"). Practitioners were told by the French authorities that they were arrested because “Yellow is illegal in France”. The parade and associated activities during the weekend in France were held in close collaboration with the Chinese government, with many performers and supporters coming from Mainland China. Falun Gong practitioners had wished to participate in this event, as Falun Gong is a traditional Chinese form of self-cultivation. However, to the Jiang Regime in China, which uses the Communist Party to persecute Falun Gong and spread lies and deceitful propaganda about the practice, the presence and participation of Falun Gong practitioners was a frightening prospect. The regime put great pressure on the French authorities to prevent Falun Gong practitioners from taking part in the parade. The result was that the French authorities revoked their previous permission for Falun Gong's participation in this parade. With the arrests over the weekend, the discrimination against Falun Gong practitioners went beyond excluding their participation to even excluding their presence at the event. Simply being identified as a Falun Gong practitioner because of wearing a yellow scarf was enough to be arrested. To claim wearing yellow clothes is illegal or to have such a law in itself is clearly absurd, but the concerning issue is not simply the irrationality of the arrests. The arrests were actually carrying out the Jiang regime's persecution of Falun Gong on French soil. It is well-known to anyone who is familiar with Falun Gong practitioners' peaceful appeals and activities that they often wear yellow clothing. This has become characteristic of their activities. The color Yellow reportedly became one of Jiang Zemin's deepest fears when he went on overseas trips in the past, terrified of the sight of Falun Gong's appeals. In the light of this, one can see that it is not about arresting people for wearing yellow, it is about arresting people for wearing anything which identifies them as a Falun Gong practitioner. In doing so, the French authorities have imported the persecution of Falun Gong at the will of the Jiang Regime from mainland China, where one can be stopped on the street, arrested and detained simply for being a Falun Gong practitioner. It is a true shame that the French authorities could not hold to the basic principles of freedom of belief and led the Police to go against their conscience to arrest practitioners. All of the details of the arrests have yet to be collected and verified. Below are some of the details available at the moment. On Saturday 24th January 2004, French police arrested 7 Falun Gong practitioners from the United Kingdom on the Champs Elysees: 1 Western UK citizen, 1 Chinese UK citizen and 5 Chinese nationals. During their arrest the practitioners were either walking or standing in a street near the Arc de Triomphe. Earlier they had given out a small number of leaflets to performers from Mainland China, detailing the brutal persecution of Falun Gong practitioners that is taking place there. They were waiting for a French practitioner to bring more leaflets. When the French practitioner arrived, his car was sandwiched by two police cars and the driver was very violently pulled onto the police van without a single question being asked. A UK practitioner, Ms Yudong Gao, was also very roughly handled by two police officers when she was put into the police van. All eight were later taken to the 17th District police station where they were detained for over 4 hours, some of them in handcuffs. A Danish practitioner, who was standing with his family on the Champs Elysees during the Chinese New Year celebrations, was approached by plain-clothes police and told to remove his yellow scarf or face the consequences. He was then arrested. German and Swedish practitioners were also arrested over the weekend. To learn more about Falun Dafa please visit www.falundafa.org or www.faluninfo.net | ||
| Yaakov |
Nothing the French do surprises me anymore. They currently are considering a law to outlaw beards. | ||
| Dan |
The names of former Chinese leader Jiang Zemin and other high officials have been placed on a watch list with Canada's Crimes Against Humanity and War Crimes Program (CAHWCP), a news conference revealed today. The Royal Canadian Mounted Police (RCMP) confirmed that a file has been opened with the War Crimes Unit. In the event that a perpetrator of atrocities against Falun Gong practitioners lands in Canada, prompt investigation will be conducted. Chinese officials who are responsible for the genocide against Falun Gong-if they attempt to go to Canada-would be subject to the CAHWCP process that may lead to barring from entry, denial of visas, deportation, and prosecution for crime against humanity. Mr. David Matas, renowned international human rights lawyer, and the Falun Dafa Association of Canada conducted the briefing at a news conference at the Canadian Parliament. "The Immigration and Refugee Protection Act renders inadmissible to Canada any person who there is reasonable grounds to believe has committed a crime against humanity outside Canada," said Mr. Matas in a letter to three high Ministers. "Indeed, the evidence indicates that Jiang Zemin and the others listed were instigators of the offences." The initial list of 15 names, together with evidence of their crimes, was submitted to Canadian officials in the CAHWCP last September, with an additional 30 names submitted today. "Canadian officials will continue to receive more names and evidence-the number of Chinese officials, police, and guards who participate in the systematic elimination of Falun Gong practitioners is in the tens of thousands," said Xun Li, President of the Falun Dafa Association of Canada. Alex Neve, Secretary General of Amnesty International Canada, and Rob Anders, Member of Parliament, expressed their support in their written statements. "…it is a global responsibility. All nations have a responsibility to stand up for and deliver justice, no matter where human rights violations have taken place," said Mr. Neve. To learn more about Falun Dafa please visit www.faluninfo.net or www.falundafa.org. | ||
| lookatall (lookatall) New member Username: lookatall Post Number: 10 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 24.46.108.148 |
As someone who has spoken to several Falun Gong practioners on the street, I perceive that 1.Falun Gong practioners have been physically persecuted in China. While tragic, this is a neutral fact as far as the validity of the practices. 2. I was told by a practioner that spoke English very well that the Chinese leader and originator of Falun Gong had "come from outside the Cosmos to enlighten the world to teach truthfulness, compassion and forbearance., " and was above the path of Christ , Buddha and all other religious leaders. It appears form this information that FG is indeed a religion. I was also shown a book that was written by the leader. The book was treated by the owner with the same reverence that a Christian treats a bible. | ||
| inthetwinklingofaneye (inthetwinklingofaneye) Member Username: inthetwinklingofaneye Post Number: 58 Registered: 4-2005 Posted From: 70.93.15.58 |
FalonGongDafa is a "real and pervasive" cult. It is the manipulations of one man using ancient teachings from China. His goal is to De-Westernize the Western world. They march in parades like the ST. Patties Day parade in Chicago. Do art and dance and make dramatic demonstrations with actors on the streets in major American cities. Deep. Not as sweet and innocent as the leader dupes followers into believing. You call on the Cosmic Forces, womens do one thing and mens another. Whiles China is a brutal and controlling entity as a government, and that is terrible, (truly terrible), Falun Gong Dafa is a real danger to certain aspects of society and takes away from the Diety of Christ and His Sovereign Lordship of all mankind. He is. Jesus is the Soveriegn Lord. He is the King of Kings. He is the Savior of the World. This religion has produced a promo that looks like a CBN testimonial of a healing or some such. Some guy from Australia who had long hair and wouldn't study and was all rude to his moms, became a short haired ( they mention it) studious, nice to his parents guy. They gave all the 'GLORY' to Falun Gong Dafa. They make you believe it is the new answer for the entire world and the rebellion of children. The leader is a farce and very aggressive. He hates Chinese government, nots that I likes them, and he pretends to be purely peace instilling. Don't be dupid. (duped-stupid) Be careful. Ask the Holy Spirit for His leading and wisdom. Jesus is the Mighty Counselor and He will help anyone who asks. C U Twinklingofaneye (He's coming, get ready get ready get ready!) | ||
| munchkin (munchkin) Intermediate Member Username: munchkin Post Number: 224 Registered: 11-2005 Posted From: 62.255.32.17 |
china is at the moment going through a period, where alot of religions, are being branded cults, where they are not. This is due to the corruption that is spreading through China at both local and governament party level. alot of martial arts schools have been told to register as religions, and if they don't get the license (which depends often on the relationship the teachers/preachers have with the local party officals) then they are branded a cult, and vivllified natioanlly. Thish happens not just in eastern religions, and temples but for catholic church, and other accpet christian churches in the west, these are also under scrutiny. All i would suggest is not to take any news out of china at face value, as they are ina period of intense civil unrest, and dissatisfaction, due to party corruptions and stringent laws that curtail on already dodgy human rights. beccaxx | ||
| lookatall (lookatall) Member Username: lookatall Post Number: 94 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 69.114.115.125 |
It seems that there is no question that there is religious persecution in China. However, the Falun Gong are using this persecution to gain 2 vastly different kinds of sympathy 1. A LEGITMATE sympathy for violations of human rights against their members. 2. A DECEPTIVE sympathy (riding on the legitimate sympathy) for the cultic views espoused by Li Hongzhi which place him as a compassionate being who came from outer space to place wheels in the abdomens of his followers. His agenda- power., not compassion and forbearance. and defintely not TRUTHFULNESS. Where is the truth in this ? Is he telling the truth? | ||
| lookatall (lookatall) Intermediate Member Username: lookatall Post Number: 102 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 69.114.115.125 |
Is this more than a set of exercises to help the western world calm down? Is it a scientific theory or a demonic fairytale used as an instrument to control its followers? "In Zhuan Falun, Li states that a Falun resides in the abdomen of all true practitioners of Falun Gong. Falun means "Wheel of Law" in the Chinese language, which can be translated as a Dharma wheel or a Chakra; to Falun Gong practitioners, the Falun is specifically a wheel consisting of five srivatsas and four taijitu, as illustrated on the top right-hand corner of this page. The Falun is said to be a miniature of the universe, and once it is installed into the abdomen, it turns continuously. When the Falun turns clockwise, it absorbs energy from the universe into the body; when it turns counter-clockwise it eliminates waste from the body. Some of Falun Gong practitioners believe they can see this Falun rotating in their abdomens, provided their "celestial eye" (said to be associated with the pineal body) is open." | ||
| mortar_n_pestle (mortar_n_pestle) Member Username: mortar_n_pestle Post Number: 59 Registered: 10-2005 Posted From: 72.130.228.207 |
yes this is a deceptive religion and very new age and based in one man's greed and a manipulation of ancient chinese ideas and superstitions. any repeated excersise will make you feel good physically. the ideas are "nice" and art and music are fun and cute. they also want people to be pacifists and not fight in any wars. that would be nice, but it is not realistic. Jesus is the way the truth and the life. He is the Prince of Peace and falun dafa is not the "way". It is more than a set of exercises and it is not innocent and benign. The founder has a goal to easternize the west and even made video testimonials to look like CBN healing and deliverance testimonials. they should not be harmed and tortured by any government. they should be exposed and disputed and prayed about. we should not let them invade the culture without exposing them and the real motives behind the teachings. they have been honored in several large cities in the US and it is troubling to see them gaining noteriety based on spiritual new ageism and hidden agendas. | ||
| lookatall (lookatall) Intermediate Member Username: lookatall Post Number: 107 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 69.114.115.115 |
"they should be exposed and disputed and prayed about. we should not let them invade the culture without exposing them and the real motives behind the teachings. they have been honored in several large cities in the US and it is troubling to see them gaining noteriety based on spiritual new ageism and hidden agendas." Yes, I totally agree about this. I have read that they have set up a practice at a New york university and students are getting drawn in. THE HIDDEN AGENDA that you mention is the thing. what can be done? | ||
| dms (dms) New member Username: dms Post Number: 1 Registered: 1-2006 Posted From: 64.126.85.142 |
I think Falun Gong is a wonderful practice - I have practiced it for 6 years. I have seen very sick people become healthy from practicing it. My own experience is that my back pain went away after two months of practice. Over the years, that has saved me lots of money, because I no longer have to get treated for it twice a month. I had tried other exercises to get rid of the pain, but nothing worked as well as Falun Gong did. I have found that reading the Falun Gong books has helped me to become more tolerant of others and more compassionate. Those are two traits that are sorely needed in today's world. Also people ARE being tortured and killed in China, you can read the stories at http://faluninfo.net Thanks, Dave | ||
| creeguy (creeguy) New member Username: creeguy Post Number: 1 Registered: 1-2006 Posted From: 161.184.14.232 |
I am a Falun Gong practitioner from Canada. I would first like to say that Falun Dafa’s teachings are truly based on Truthfulness, Compassion and Tolerance. Practitioners try to live by these principles in their every day life to improve their moral character or their heart/mind nature. Falun Gong/Dafa doesn’t try to “convert” people or try to force others to practice or believe as they do. If someone wants the practice, they are welcome and if they don’t want to practice, then so be it, it’s their choice and no one will think anything against him or treat him any different. That would, in my understanding, be a violation of the universal principles of Truthfulness, Compassion, and Tolerance. No one is being controlled or forced to practice it. Even Jesus never forced anyone to learn from Him. People all learned from him willingly and unfortunately many learned from Him after his death and resurrection. The people that truly practice Falun Gong, do it willingly, because they want to, they think it’s truly good and do so of their own free will. There are people who practice it from all walks of life and all types of nationalities. They are doctors, lawyers, teachers, health care workers, dignitaries, business people, moms, dads, students etc. In fact Falun Dafa has truly helped me to disciple my own mind and heart so that I am able to truly be in control of my own thoughts and actions rather than being controlled by the desires, temptations, or other negative influences that the everyday world has to offer. I have truly become a better person. I also believe, personally, that Jesus Christ had also lived by the principle of Truth-Compassion-Forbearance/Tolerance right to his very death and resurrection. ...continued | ||
| creeguy (creeguy) New member Username: creeguy Post Number: 2 Registered: 1-2006 Posted From: 161.184.14.232 |
Practitioners of Falun Gong are not trying to “de-westernize” the western world…whatever that means. Practitioners only do the things they are doing to expose the brutal persecution imposed upon Falun Gong practitioners by the Chinese Communist Party for their own spiritual beliefs and because Falun Gong beliefs are contrary to the Communist Parties beliefs. Isn’t that why the Christians were persecuted in the past?; Wasn’t it because their beliefs were different from those in “power” at that time, including governments and dominant religions. Here in the West we have the God given right of free will to believe and practice what we want, even if others do not necessarily agree with those beliefs. In China they are forced the by the evil Communist Party to believe only in the Communist Party Doctrines, which is Atheism, cruelty, deception, lies etc. Aren’t those principles truly evil? Forcing anyone to believe in what they believe is truly evil. If anyone is controlling the minds of people, and doing it on such a massive scale, it is the wicked Chinese Communist Party. But for some reason the Western World turns a blind eye to it. It is not only Falun Gong practitioners in China being persecuted, but also Catholics, Christians, Muslims, Tibetans, etc. I believe that when we don’t have Tolerance and Compassion towards those whose values and beliefs differ from ours, it fuels a fire which leads others to persecute, starts wars, breeds ignorance and causes separation. There are way too many examples throughout history to verify that. I hope more people in the world will be more Truthful, Compassionate and Tolerant. It would truly make the world a better place. Sincerely, Richard | ||
| lookatall (lookatall) Intermediate Member Username: lookatall Post Number: 158 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 69.114.115.115 |
Cree Guy, this is untrue, I have approached Falun Gong and they always give me the newspaper and try to convert me. "'Falun Gong/Dafa doesn’t try to “convert” people or try to force others to practice or believe as they do"." What is the wheel in your abdomen doing right now, can you feel it or see it? Li Hongzhi talks about it but it seems he is intentionally vague along with his hiding out in St James. He has his eyes on the school system and the nations youth. I know the Falung Gong are in Vancouver. | ||
| lookatall (lookatall) Intermediate Member Username: lookatall Post Number: 159 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 69.114.115.115 |
By the way dms I hope that you know that Falun Gong shun modern medicine although I am sure that Li Hongzhi has all the medical attention that his tons of money can cover. Most cults recruit young people and they have the least amount of helath problems. as they age and are no longer of use to the cult and develop expensive medical problems they are cut off. If the exercises have helped you that's great. They cannot cure cancer. | ||
| creeguy (creeguy) New member Username: creeguy Post Number: 3 Registered: 1-2006 Posted From: 161.184.14.232 |
Hello Lookatll, I don't believe the Falun Gong practitioners were trying to "convert" you as you say. They may have introduced the practice to you but I highly doubt they were trying to "convert" you. Many of the materials that practitioners hand out serve the purpose of exposing the brutal persecution happening right now in China as well as to introduce the practice andto help people understand what Falun Gong is. Before the persecution of Falun Gong began it was spread by word of mouth. One person practiced it and really benefited from so he told his friends and family and they started practicing too and they found that it was really good so they told their friends and so on. It grew very rapidly; in a matter of 7 years it was estimated that 70- 100 million people were practicing it inside China. This is one reason why the Chinese Communist Party began it's persecution. | ||
| creeguy (creeguy) New member Username: creeguy Post Number: 4 Registered: 1-2006 Posted From: 161.184.14.232 |
Continuation... Again the people who practiced Falun Dafa weren't niave, ingorant or superstitious people. They were and are people from all walks of life and age groups spanning from the very young to very old, and many with very high level education. Most of the practitioners that I know personally have degrees and are University teachers, scientists, business people, etc. They are not ignorant niave people but on the contrary they are very highly educated and intellegent people. For myself I work in the field of mental health and I can say that for myself personally Falun Gong has truly improved my own mental, emotional, physical and spiritual well being. There are countless stories about the health benefits that people experienced from practicing, including all kinds of deadly illnesses like cancer etc. Here is a link with many stories of health benefits http://clearwisdom.net/emh/136/ Here are a few more links related cancer. After Reading Zhuan Falun, a Terminal Cancer Patient Recovered in Two Months http://clearwisdom.net/emh/articles/2005/10/11/65768.html Facing A Death Sentence from Liver Cancer, Dafa Saved My Life http://clearwisdom.net/emh/articles/2005/9/29/65387.html How Can Uterine Cancer Disappear in Three Weeks? http://clearwisdom.net/emh/articles/2005/9/27/65345.html Sincerely, Richard Truh-Compassion-Tolerance | ||
| creeguy (creeguy) New member Username: creeguy Post Number: 5 Registered: 1-2006 Posted From: 161.184.14.232 |
Continuation... Again the people who practiced Falun Dafa weren't niave, ingorant or superstitious people. They were and are people from all walks of life and age groups spanning from the very young to very old, and many with very high level education. Most of the practitioners that I know personally have degrees and are University teachers, scientists, business people, etc. They are not ignorant niave people but on the contrary they are very highly educated and intellegent people. For myself I work in the field of mental health and I can say that for myself personally Falun Gong has truly improved my own mental, emotional, physical and spiritual well being. There are countless stories about the health benefits that people experienced from practicing, including all kinds of deadly illnesses like cancer etc. Here is a link with many stories of health benefits http://clearwisdom.net/emh/136/ Here are a few more links related cancer. After Reading Zhuan Falun, a Terminal Cancer Patient Recovered in Two Months http://clearwisdom.net/emh/articles/2005/10/11/65768.html Facing A Death Sentence from Liver Cancer, Dafa Saved My Life http://clearwisdom.net/emh/articles/2005/9/29/65387.html How Can Uterine Cancer Disappear in Three Weeks? http://clearwisdom.net/emh/articles/2005/9/27/65345.html Sincerely, Richard Truth-Compassion-Tolerance | ||
| lookatall (lookatall) Intermediate Member Username: lookatall Post Number: 171 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 69.114.115.115 |
Dear Richard, The level of education of the people who practice Falun Gong has no bearing on its validity if it is truly a spiritual practice. A college professor might be convinced that there was a wheel in his or her abdomen. These reports of cancer cures were written by Li Hongzhi or someone high up in the power hierarchy. Did you meet the farmer? Perhaps TRUTHFULNESS is one of the values you should examine. For example do you believe that Li Hongzhi came from outside the cosmos? I just think he is a lier or deluded. If you work in the mental health field you have seen how convincing mania and pathological liers can be. I know there has been terrible persecution of these people in China which i do not endorse, but I also dont endorse deception and the idea that Li Hongzhi came from outer space. This is the fastest growing cult in the world and I do believe that people in the western world have no idea what the agenda is of falun dafa and Li Hongzhi. I wish you well and I wish you do find Truth. Are you Cree? | ||
| creeguy (creeguy) New member Username: creeguy Post Number: 6 Registered: 1-2006 Posted From: 161.184.14.232 |
Dear Lookatall, Yes I am Cree..well Metis. I don't think that it is fair to say that those reports weren't written by those who wrote them. Did you write that last response...am I not writing this post?? I understand there are some things that you don't understand or believe about Falun Gong and I totally think that is fine. To really know what Falun Gong is and what is teaches ones only has to read the teachings. http://www.faluncanada.net/library/english/frameM_e.html It seems like the people that oppose Falun Gong haven't read the teachings or the take things the Teacher says out of context and have taken the lies that the CCP has said as truth. This is exactly what the CCP Chinese Communist Party has been doing to turn public opinion against Falun Gong and to stop more people from practiting it. What is the CCP's agenda?? Why do they oppose such good people who are truly living Truthfulness-Compassion-Tolerance? Why does that government feel it is a threat to them?? Why would anyone feel threatened by those following Truthfulness-Compassion-Tolerance and be opposed to that?? Falun Gong is not a cult. It is a self cultivation practice. What is cultivation? It is like a garden...in order to have a beautiful garden one has to remove the rocks, weeds and other bad things to keep it clean and healthy. This is what we are also doing...cleaning out the bad thoughts, and bad attachments in our hearts and minds to become better people and to elevate our hearts/minds. What it comes down to ...i think it is fine that you don't completely understand Falun Gong...but what I would like you to know is that FALUN GONG IS TRULY GOOD. It is nothing like the lies that the CCP propogates. And anyone who has read the Falun teachings knows this. If you want to truly know what "agenda" Master Li or Falun Gong has than read "Zhuan Falun", it is all in there and there is nothing to hide. http://www.faluncanada.net/library/english/zflus/zflus_e.html Yours truly, Richard | ||
| lookatall (lookatall) Intermediate Member Username: lookatall Post Number: 230 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 69.114.115.115 |
Dear Richard, I have just found your post. I am not sure who the CCP are, but I did have a chance at an airport when a plane was delayed to examine the Falun gong book of teachings quite closley, and be told clearly by a devout follower that Li Hongzhi has told his followers that he is from outer space. I do not find that to be a statement that reflects TRUTHFELNESS, which means if he has lied about this he has lied about other doctrines. Do you believe he is from outer space? I also found from reading the book that he finds himself to be above Jesus. Have you ever dealt with gradiosity in the mental health field.? I hope you escape from these lies. This is now one of the largest cults in hte world and the west has no idea what is about to hit them. | ||
| creeguy (creeguy) New member Username: creeguy Post Number: 7 Registered: 1-2006 Posted From: 205.206.198.240 |
Dear Lookatall, The CCP is the Chinese Communist Party. When you say that Master Li is from "outer space" In the teachings of Falun Gong, Master Li states in "Zhuan Falun" (Turning the Law Wheel) "In this universe, human life, as we see it, isn’t generated in the ordinary world. A person’s true life is generated in the space of the universe. The reason being, there are many types of matter in this universe that produce life, and these types of matter can generate life through motion and interaction. What this means is that a person’s earliest life originates in the universe. The space of the universe is inherently good, and its nature is to be True, Good, and Endure, and when a person is born he has the same nature as the universe. But as more beings are created, community-like social relationships form. Some of the beings might grow selfish and gradually lower their levels, so they can’t stay at that level and have to drop. But then at the next level they become not so good again, and again they can’t stay there, so they keep dropping down and down, until at some point they finally drop to this level of human beings." Now my understanding of that is that we all orginated in the space of the universe. That this material or "physical" dimension is not where we were first created but were created in other dimensions of the universe, perhaps what people in the west call the heavens. The idea is to return to those places where we were first created and assimulate back to truthfulness-compassion-tolerance and our true nature. That, to me, doesn't sound too far fetched. It's what religions have been saying in different ways all along. They may not have explained in detail about other dimensions of the universe, or the "heavens". In the past people refered to "outer space" as the heavens. In my Cree language the word sky (space)and heaven are the same thing. I understand that it is also the same in the Chinese language...Tian means sky and heaven. http://www.falundafa.org/book/eng/zfl_new.html Take Care, Richard | ||
| lookatall (lookatall) Intermediate Member Username: lookatall Post Number: 261 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 69.114.115.115 |
Dear Richard, Thank you for your thoughtful answer. The reason I used the phrase "outer space" is that these were the exact words used by the follower I spoke to at length. I Believe also that there are ancient connections between the Asian and the Native American cultures that express common ideas . You also touch here on reincarnation which is found in Buddhism. There is beauty in what you describe but it is not something I believe in that I would base my life on. I am a follower of Jesus Christ and the true core of Christian beliefs clashes with these ideas. When I met this person in the airport she said to me that God had brought us together for a reason and I believe that was a true statement. Peace | ||
| polinakorchagin New member Username: polinakorchagin Post Number: 1 Registered: 12-2007 Posted From: 72.70.130.80 |
Here is my experience with Falun Gong. Part of my family ( all Jewish / Russian heritage) became Falun practitioners. I tried to read the book my sister gave me, but for me it was too mystical, too unscientific, too illogical and all together just weird. My approach was - hey, as long as this is what you want - go for it. And then any discussions I did try were useless, so we followed 'Don't ask, don't tell' policy. Recently my aunt who became Falun practitioner after she was diagnosed with ovarian cancer , passed away. She refused medical care completely, believing that by cultivation, meditation and being a good practitioner she would get rid of cancer. The last phases of her illness were very painful. Her daughter begged her to go to a hospital to at least get painkillers. Instead other practitioners from my family were sending good thoughts to the Universe and reading Master Li book to her. When she suffered especially bad from metastasis that overgrown in her abdomen ( not the wheel they speak of) they were saying that the it was evil fighting to stay in her body. Complete and total denial of reality, conviction border with fanaticism, Master Li's portraits on display in their houses, rage when the even small criticism toward Falun is expressed - all these convinced me that Falun is cult and a very dangerous one. "True, Good, and Endure" is an appetizer. The main course of Falun is fanaticism, mysticism, some elements of satanism, complete denial of modern science. |
