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Anonymous
| | Posted on Wednesday, August 27, 2003 - 7:16 am: | 
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Workers often deny baptism due to worldly things in the home (tv), participation in sports, women's dress/hair (pants, jewelry, makeup etc.) and a wrong spirit. Failing to see truth as "God's way", workers as "God's true ministers" and questioning the workers in a "wrong spirit" might prevent you from being baptised.
Funerals are often used as opportunities for the workers to preach to outsiders that "the truth" is the only right way. Workers are more anxious to preach a "gospel meeting" to those who otherwise don't attend their meetings than comforting the family. |
Anonymous
| | Posted on Friday, August 29, 2003 - 6:20 am: |
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The friends and workers love to rave about their unity. But it is worker enforced uniformity that varies from one region to another.
There are professing people who have tvs and are able to take part and even partake of the emblems. And there are other professing people who have never been baptised because of failing to make changes in their home (get rid of TV, worldly music etc.).
So much vague and inconsistent doctrine. Regional and generational variations. No wonder these people seem so stressed and confused.
I know very FEW happy and well adjusted professing people. Sorry to say this but this is true.
And the workers will hide from anyone asking them questions. Workers will tell someone unfamiliar with the sect something different than they would tell lifelong members of "the truth".
Workers are running from accountability and exposure. And those who leave the group are shunned and smeared.Gossip in these little meetings can be awful. |
Anonymous
| | Posted on Saturday, August 30, 2003 - 8:16 pm: |
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Sometimes people profess in a convention or gospel meeting that the workers feel "isn't ready to be in the kingdom yet". God's servants or the workers love to decide who is worthy to profess or be baptised.
First of all, workers don't accept baptism in other churches. Unless you follow THEIR rules, obey THEM and "look right", you are deprived or partaking of the emblems (bread and wine on Sunday morning). It is ridiculous. Workers are messing around with people's souls!
Workers have deprived people of baptism due to women wearing pants, men having long hair, women having short hair/makeup/jewelry/dying their hair etc.. Also professing people with televisions in the home often cannot be baptised though the head worker in the state or province has the final solution in consultation with the lead worker in the field.
Saturday night workers may announce that there will be a baptism and for anyone interested to stand to their feet. During the Sunday AM meeting, baptised members give their testimony first.
Baptism is all about submission to the ministry. |
Anonymous
| | Posted on Sunday, August 31, 2003 - 11:07 am: |
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Some professing people know how to hide their "worldliness" to the workers and be baptised. Others are more open and honest thus they are denied baptism. |
Anonymous
| | Posted on Monday, September 01, 2003 - 12:04 pm: |
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Often the workers will preach a "gospel meeting" type funeral. They will talk about the brevity of life and the need of making your choice before it is too late. Little comfort or encouragement to the family of the deceased.
Workers never address unprofessing people as "brother" or "sister". Workers seldom praise anyone unless they have spent many years in "the work" (ministry).
Workers often use funerals as a chance to speak to outsiders/unprofessing people/worldly people since it is difficult to get these people to attend a gospel meeting anymore. |
Anonymous
| | Posted on Tuesday, September 02, 2003 - 8:10 am: |
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Death and the brevity of life is a theme often mentioned in meetings. Kids raised in "the truth" can be quite serious. |
Anonymous
| | Posted on Tuesday, September 02, 2003 - 12:23 pm: |
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Also baptisms mostly occur at a lake near the convention grounds. Sometimes at a pond on the convention property. |
Anonymous
| | Posted on Wednesday, September 03, 2003 - 7:53 pm: |
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Baptism usually means the right to partake of the "bread and wine". A child can profess at say 8 and not be baptised until age 16. Fortunately, I was allowed to profess one year and be baptised the next year. |
Anonymous
| | Posted on Sunday, September 14, 2003 - 2:14 pm: |
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While people can profess at a convention in another state, baptisms usually take place at one's home convention. Workers rarely have baptisms during the year at rivers or lakes anymore. Today most baptisms occur Sunday morning of convention at one's "home convention". |
Anonymous
| | Posted on Monday, September 15, 2003 - 5:12 pm: |
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Professing in other states or provinces is allowed thought baptism usually takes place at your home convention. Workers ask the friends to quietly leave the meeting shed/tent and there will be a meeting about baptism. You usually have to get permission from your lead worker in the field in order to be baptised. |
Anonymous
| | Posted on Friday, September 19, 2003 - 7:50 pm: |
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In Southern Georgia USA, a formerly professing lady was asked not to attend the funeral of her professing nephew who was struck by lightning recently. I guess the professing family were afraid she would post funeral notes on the internet. Workers are paranoid and defensive about other people finding out about the real history of "The truth". |
Anonymous
| | Posted on Friday, September 26, 2003 - 9:24 pm: |
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Worker funerals are interesting events. Workers rarely praise professing people (saints) unless they mention their "love for Truth/God's servants/God's way". But the workers really lavish praise on the head workers when they pass away!
Worker funerals are opportunities to drum up support for more younger people considering the "harvest field". |
Anonymous
| | Posted on Monday, September 29, 2003 - 12:48 pm: |
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I was denied baptism because I was not worthy. I wore jeans to school and not a dress everyday. I had multiple lectures from the workers about that. I can also remember a dear friend of mine, who was denied partaking of the emblems because he married a Catholic woman. He is still professing, however, I haven't seen him for years. I wonder if the workers ever decided if he was worthy enough? Funny thing is...I wonder who decided if the workers are worthy. They sure are an anal lot of people. |
Anonymous
| | Posted on Monday, September 29, 2003 - 7:53 pm: |
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When workers "play God" and set conditions for baptism or partaking of the emblems, they are on a power trip. Sad that they are doing such mean things. Where in the bible do we read that a woman cannot be saved if she wears jeans to work or school. |
Cheers
| | Posted on Friday, October 10, 2003 - 4:37 am: |
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Would you look at all the anonymouses posting here.
A lot of chickens aye? |
Anonymous
| | Posted on Friday, October 10, 2003 - 3:31 pm: |
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Cheers why don't you give us your full name. We know you live in New Zealand. Otherwise we don't know your name. We could identify you as one of the friends who has internet access. That might not be too hard to figure out! |
Anonymous
| | Posted on Saturday, November 01, 2003 - 3:10 pm: |
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Some workers are kind and have inspiring messages at funerals.
But others (especially senior workers with some responsibility over the 'kingdom') can be cold during times of grief. Nothing is more upsetting to a grieving relative than to hear some worker speak about the ministry without a home, meetings in a home and why the way "doesn't have a name" during a funeral. It is wrong to use a time of grief or loss as an opportunity to advertise the worker's religion! Please help us! |
Anonymous
| | Posted on Wednesday, December 17, 2003 - 8:11 pm: |
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Workers often use funerals to promote their nameless church!! Outsiders attend funerals who wouldn't sit in a worker led gospel meeting!!
I have heard workers to use these funerals to explain why "God's way doesn't have a name" or "why God's servants don't have a home".
If the deceased professing person is mentioned by name, they will praise his or her love for truth. Workers may mention the hospitality of the deceased person or how they valued their meetings in the home.
Workers don't know how to comfort the family of the deceased because they are trying to preach their system of worship.
A Florida worker preached against tvs at a funeral because the deceased person had a professing child who had a television in their home.
Too many worker led funerals focus on defending the worker's religion! Of course they call their religion "The way of God". |
Anonymous
| | Posted on Wednesday, December 24, 2003 - 4:08 pm: |
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I wished the workers would state in writing the reasons why baptism is witheld. Too much variation on issues like women's clothing, entertainment, marriage/dating divorcees or outsiders, and other things.
Workers use baptism as a tool to exert pressure over a babe! Postpone baptism so the woman will stop wearing pants, makeup or jewelry! Postpone it until the couple is moved to "get rid of their TV". Folks, can't you see the control factor under the guise of a concern for your soul?? |
Anonymous
| | Posted on Friday, January 02, 2004 - 6:30 pm: |
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Workers have used baptism as a way of forcing professing women to make "changes in their life" in order to be a right example before unprofessing people.
Workers have given professing women hell over makeup, jewelry, trimming their hair, wearing pants/jeans/shorts etc..
Men have been denied baptism for facial hair (no longer an issue).
Marrying or dating someone who doesn't profess the nameless "truth" fellowship can cause you to be denied baptism.
It is all up to the head worker. Different workers have different standards required in order to be baptised.
There is no consistency in the "truth". Head workers rule their kingdoms with autocratic power that is unchecked.
Workers would deny this if you asked them but there have been people denied for baptism in one area that would be permitted to be baptised in another area.
Again, workers set the rules and the friends have to submit to them. Professing people must fit in, fill their place and display unquestioning obedience to the workers in such matters since "God's servants know best." |
Anonymous
| | Posted on Saturday, January 03, 2004 - 5:57 pm: |
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Workers don't mind a 7 or 8 year old standing up in a gospel meeting or convention and "making their choice." No. But these children are denied the right to partake of the bread and wine until a worker thinks they are old enough to be baptised! Children have professed 7 or 8 years before they could be baptised.
Workers like to weed out certain ones from being baptised. Workers want to make sure that only those who are willing to "die to the world" will take the step of baptism.
Workers now ask that you consult the worker in your field before you are baptised!! A worker will announce at an evening convention concerning a baptism and ask if anyone wants to stand up and be baptised the next morning.
A meeting is held in the shed/tent after the evening meeting. Workers have discouraged children from being baptised asking them to "wait until they are older and willing to die to the flesh."
During testimony time at the next meeting, the baptised members are supposed to "give their testimony" first! I know of several people who planned on being baptised but the workers in their field discouraged them from "taking the step of baptism."
Workers use baptism as a control device! Ways of enforcing certain rules. And ways of witholding the bread and wine for children who profess at an early age. |
Anonymous
| | Posted on Wednesday, January 07, 2004 - 2:30 pm: |
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It is a shame that workers will use baptisms and funerals as a way of advancing the worker's agenda. Funerals are used to recruit outsiders who might want to leave "the world" and become a part of "God's way". Baptisms are used as a way of forcing "babes" to make changes in their life in order to please the workers. This , my friend, shouldn't be the case. |
Anonymous (144.139.33.144)
| | Posted on Monday, March 29, 2004 - 8:44 pm: |
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Whoever has pasted all these messages on this site and wherever they come from, it is different here in NSW Australia.
Yes, you can make your 'choice' when very young and generally are not baptised 'till teenage years.
In the past baptisms were held at convention time on convention grounds but in recent years when one makes known their desire to be baptised a baptism is often not arranged for months and sometimes up to a year for some unknown reason.
Certainly not biblical practice! In the bible people believed and were baptised that very hour.
The correlation between partaking of the emblems, believing and baptism is so clear in the bible but so inconsistent among the states of Australia and other countries.
As for the workers passing judgement as to wether one is 'worthy' and 'ready' to be make their choice, be baptised or partake of the emblems, on the last day the judgement metered to them will be of the same calibre as they have judged others here and now. If that is with puny, human minded, traditional, unwritten man made laws, then that is how they too will be judged! How sad for them! |
Anonymous (157.89.46.110)
| | Posted on Friday, June 04, 2004 - 10:28 am: |
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Workers use funerals as an apportunity to speak to outsiders about "God's way". SOmetimes they will praise the deceased member but it is usually due to what the member has done for "God's way" or "God's true servants".
I have been to professing funeral where the workers (preachers) would discuss the homeless ministry and the meetings in homes. I mean shouldn't they be offering comfort instead of preaching a gospel mission? |
Vicki (216.104.73.149)
| | Posted on Saturday, June 05, 2004 - 10:17 pm: |
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When my Mother dies I am going to have trouble with the workers doing her service .. but its what see wants...so be it It's so sad that people have to be broken at a funeral that the workers take advanage of a sad time. Put a BIG ad in the Paper and if your talking the talk then walk the walk. |
Anonymous (63.130.192.194)
| | Posted on Tuesday, June 08, 2004 - 3:02 pm: |
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Vicki? ever thought that you might die before your mom? and have to be buried by the workers? what does it matter anyway???? |
Vicki (216.104.73.149)
| | Posted on Tuesday, June 08, 2004 - 3:51 pm: |
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If I die before my Mom I won't be buried by the workers..I belong to a church group that knows what I want for my service when I die. I wanted my kids to know that I did not want to be kept on life support and that I wanted to be cremated. I know that I am not in my body at death so it really doesn't matter. The workers did a beautiful job when my step-father was killed in August...but that was before I found the REAL TRUTH......freedom in grace not WORKS. The workers are wonderful people...I'm just upset that all my depression and mental unrest was due to the beliefs I was taught growing up in this cult. Breaking the bonds are still hard even though I know I was raised in this group of leagalistic believers. I struggle with my new found freedom and yet I am joyous of being saved and knowing it now not from works and hope at death Jesus gives me a fair trial. |
Anonymous (63.130.194.81)
| | Posted on Tuesday, June 08, 2004 - 6:45 pm: |
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Dear Vicki, I feel sooooo sorry for you,You're obviously a wounded soul.... just don't blame anyone but yourself..... |
Vicki (216.104.73.149)
| | Posted on Tuesday, June 08, 2004 - 8:51 pm: |
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Well maybe my whole family is ####### up!!! Probably a generational thing since everyone on my Mothers side sufferes from depression......Don't feel sorry for me, I'm dealing with it. I have lots of close friends and a great support system here!!!! You kinda seem bitter and snippy maybe its you feeling sorry for yourself and trying to pin it on me. |
Anonymous (206.48.231.125)
| | Posted on Thursday, June 10, 2004 - 10:11 pm: |
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Vicki, if your support system is so great as you claim, and you're an adult... did you ever think it was time to take some responsibility... and move on!!!! |
Vicki (216.104.73.149)
| | Posted on Thursday, June 10, 2004 - 10:31 pm: |
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I am moving on thats why I'm here!!!!!!!!! DUHHHH
:P |
Anonymous (157.89.46.110)
| | Posted on Wednesday, June 16, 2004 - 10:53 am: |
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Workers preach a "gospel meeting" funeral in some cases. They try to explain why Jesus sent His disciples without a home or family. They may mention how the deceased person had a "respect for God's way". These professing funerals can be chances to advertise "God's way" to those who are soft and "troubled". |