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marcel
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Posted From: 86.69.91.223
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An article about Tony in 1964 before he became a Christian:
http://bobbyjameson.blogspot.com/2007/12/i-couldnt-have-done-any-better-or-any.html
Whatsoever some former brothers and sisters are saying, for me Tony was a born again, unhappily now there are doctrines and practices in his life that are not the fruit of a born again Christian life, even if he still seem to preach the gospel . The Lord is not a respecter of persons and if many people got saved through Tony and Sue ministries ( most of us ) the fact that he had and has now so many wives, plus lying , plus pills (I witness it ) and so on, he is not was he use to be.
I think about that scripture:
2 Peter 2 : 19 While they promise them liberty, they themselves are the servants of corruption: for of whom a man is overcome, of the same is he brought in bondage.
20 For if after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, they are again entangled therein, and overcome, the latter end is worse with them than the beginning.
21 For it had been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than, after they have known it, to turn from the holy commandment delivered unto them.
22 But it is happened unto them according to the true proverb, The dog is turned to his own vomit again; and the sow that was washed to her wallowing in the mire.
Tony, if you read that post, just write me to tell me you were wrong to take pills and to call me a liar when I witness you were getting high with pills, maybe the one you gave to Bobby Jameson ?
If we repent and change our ways, He will forgive
Repent also to have taken so many wives and concubines in order to fulfil the lust of the flesh, and many other things, God is not a respecter of person and you will not pass through the judgment bar of God because what you have done wrong and are doing wrong today.
Repent or you will perish according to the Word of God. |
anchored
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Posted From: 71.205.65.52
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Thanks Marcel, very enlightening. This is just another example of Tony Alamo's flagrant disregard for others. His cut-throaty treament of another human being to get what he wants, regardless of how it impacts the other person.
Yes, this was before his supposed conversion.
But look at his behavior since. He hasn't changed a bit, or wait, yes he has. He's gotten much worse. Because now he's a raping pedophile, while exploiting and fleecing the Body of Christ and labeling himself a "world pastor".
As Christians (representatives of Christ), are we supposed to treat other individuals like Tony Alamo does? Especially those of the household of God. I have witnessed many, many times Tony Alamo's mistreatment and exploitation of the members of the Body of Christ for his own selfish gain. This is no different than his mistreatment of people before he was "saved", i.e., his mistreatment of Bobbie Jameson. So his conversion is in word, but not in deed. When we get saved there is supposed to be a performance out of that which we have. We are a new creature, the old man passes away and we become a new creature in Christ Jesus. God begins to whittle away the old man and, gradually, we become more like our wonderful, kind and merciful Savior.
Not a ruthless cut-throat who throws pregnant sisters out on the street destitute of money or food (referring to a very hard-working sister who was dedicated to serving the Lord for many years at the church). Also, threw a very hard-working brother out on the streets one time who had no place to stay except a cockroach infested hole in the wall in Kansas City. A brother very close to me. This is what he did to Jesus. This man isn't of the Lord and hasn't been for a lot of years longer than some people will admit.
Marcel, I loved your use of scripture to describe to a tee what Tony Alamo is all about. We can always rely on God's Word to line up anything. "While they promise them liberty, they themselves are the servants of corruption." Whenever I have read that scripture I have seen Tony Alamo. It's like one of those pop-ups on the Net. I knew for sure it was the Lord showing me that scripture was describing Tony Alamo.
Editing to correct a spelling error and add one more thing.
Tony Alamos's end. "the latter end is worse with them than the beginning." Scripture being fulfilled right before our eyes.
(Message edited by anchored on December 03, 2007) |
brother_d
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Posted From: 68.223.4.32
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Think whatever you want about tonee alameo, but I was with his outfit for years and I never witnessed any Christlike behavior from him. All I ever saw was selfish bullying. Tell me one time anyone ever heard tonee preach a real Christian message from the pulpit. All he ever did was get up there and grandstand about how great he was in the entertainment business, and how the Lord had a special anointing on him. So special it allowed him to live like a king and abuse those who really were trying to be Christians. The guy is a shameless thug, and seems like he always has been. |
brother_d
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The worst part of tonee's behavior is that he taught others to act like him, until bullying and browbeating was pervasive throughout the congregation. The strong preying on the weak was admired behavior, and for a majority of folks Foundation living became a nightmare. Does this sound like Christian behavior to anyone? If so, you probably belong in tonee's entourage. |
anchored
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All I ever saw him do was TAKE. People are either givers or takers. Lame-o has always been a taker of other people's money, possessions, hard work, other people's wives, their children, a taker of souls, making them his slaves in addition to be being a demanding, tempermental, cruel taskmaster.
The only giving he did was to benefit himself. The giving on his part was SPIRITUAL AND PHYSICAL ABUSE, LYING, RAPING, BLASTING PULPIT INSULTS, REVILINGS, SLANDERINGS, MIS-TREATMENT & MALIGNING OF OTHER PEOPLE, BULLYING, AND EVERYTHING ELSE BRO. D MENTIONED ABOVE.
I, too, never saw anything Christ-like about him. |
worm_can_opener
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Posted From: 70.243.64.82
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I, for one, witnessed anti-christlike behavior !! I never saw one speck of joy in that man, except for when I gave him a handful of CASH, when I first moved in !! he was ELATED, and looked as if he had won the lottery, and he really thanked me. But as we all know, toni alamo is out for toni alamo, brags on toni alamo, gathers all those girls to toni alamo, has set up all those "church facades" with the name toni alamo plastered all over them, his every thought is toward the bettering of toni alamo's life, and making toni alamo richer every day. I don't care if he ever was saved...he's NOT NOW !! |
anchored
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Posted From: 71.205.65.52
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Bobby Jameson
A written history of Bobby Jameson and his search through the past. Working my way back through the jungle of drug addiction and booze. My family life as a kid was the breeding ground for addicts. No self worth, no help and one chance to get out alive. Music was the horse I rode out on and the music business was the horse I rode into hell. Pronounced dead twice from drug over doses, I lived to tell how the pursuit of fame is as deadly as any narcotic I have ever used.
Sunday, December 2, 2007
I couldn't have done any better or any worse (part 1)
The first time I ever used pills to perform was in 1964 when Tony Alamo was flying me around the country to do live gigs that he never paid me for. He used to tell me they were for promotion, but he was getting paid for what I was doing. We were promoting my record "I'm So Lonely/I Wanna Love You" on his record label, TALAMO RECORDS. I was exhausted and he had lined up another personal appearance for me to do in Cleveland or Detroit and I told him I was too damn tired. He pulled a small bottle out of his pocket and tapped a couple of light yellow tablets into my hand and said,"take one of these now and save one for later." This was to be my first experience with dexedrine. I went on stage and got a standing ovation. A drug addict was born! From that time on I began depending on drugs, booze and pot to alter my condition. Pills to get up and booze and pot to get down, like a human yo-yo on a string, with Tony always providing the demand to work and the means for me to work it. Later I wouldn't need anyone but myself to provide what ever I needed to stay high. My demand for the adoration of the crowd and to feel like I was finally important was all I needed to supply myself with anything and everything to keep it going. It was a dual sickness that fed on itself and just got progressively worse. I'm sure that Tony Alamo, who is now a born again christian, will never admit his part in the beginnings of my eventual demise. But I've come to know that the world is full of Tony Alamos. I once spoke to Tony's brother and asked why Tony didn't pay me for what I had done, because Tony was now a millionaire. His bother said, "all that stuff that happened in the past was before Tony met the Lord."
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anchored
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Monday, December 3, 2007
TONY ALAMO (part 2)
I met Tony in Hollywood in 1964, probably at the "Carolina Pines" a local coffee shop hangout for struggling musicians, writers and actors. He was just another of the long list of "I'm gonna be somebody someday people", like myself, who scouted the streets, rumor mills and hangouts for any info on the bizz. He owned a record mail order company called Mr. Maestro Records that sold boot legged oldies through the mail and I always figured that's how he got by. I don't recall exactly when it started, but when I would see him he'd say things like, "I'm gonna make you a star". I just figured he was mouthing off, but part of me wanted to believe this guy. I mean I was so hungry for fame I think I would have believed damn near anyone if they said anything good about me. That's part of the trouble with show business. People are so in need of being noticed that they trust others that, at this point, I wouldn't let take out my trash. Anyway, Tony pretty much had the magic touch when it came to bullshit so I began inching my way closer to him the more candy he dropped in my ears. Looking back on it now I guess he was practicing for the Tony And Susan Alamo Christian Foundation, which came about a couple of years later. When I knew Tony he was a pot smoking hustler from Hollywood via Montana. I was at an apartment of his in Hollywood one time when 2 Federal Postal Inspectors showed up at gun point looking for him, for an alleged mail fraud scheme concerning his record mail order business, which he ran out of that address. He must of worked it out cause it never came to anything while I knew him. It was just an example of how knowing him was like, "what's next." He used to keep plenty of pot around so me and a few of friends, Danny Whitten, Bruce Hines, Billy Talbot and Ralph Molina could stay high and work on songs. In those days everybody smoked grass so we were just glad to have it. Hell it was free. Danny, Ralph, Billy and Bruce were guys I'd met in Hollywood when I first got there and we started living together so everybody would have a place to stay. We lived in an apartment on Franklin Ave near Highland and used to talk about when we would "make it", a term relating to "making it in show business." Strangely enough, Billy, Ralph and Danny went on to become the band "Crazy Horse" and Bruce was their roadie. The three of them had come from Ohio and were a doo-wop vocal group called Danny And The Memories, they were damn good, I mean really good. And me, the scared kid from Arizona with a dream, I too went on to one of the strangest voyages anyone could ever imagine. From the streets of Hollywood to London and back. From the nobody bottom to the nobody top and back again. I was still the human yo-yo on a string. Never sure of who I was, who I had been or who I was becoming. From country to country and style to style I was bobby Jameson the goddamned quick change artist always ready with another song, another look and even another name.
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anchored
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Wednesday, December 5, 2007
TONY ALAMO'S PLAN (part 3)
Danny Whitten,Billy Talbot, Ralph Molina and Bruce Hines and I were seated at a table in the "Carolina Pines" coffee shop one afternoon, in 1964, when Tony Alamo approached us with copies of Billboard and Cashbox trade papers in hand. He dropped them in front of us saying, "take a look." Not knowing what he was referring to we began looking through both publications when we stumbled on black and white quarter page ads in both mags which stated, "Bobby Jameson The World's Next Phenomenon". These words were above a black silhouette of me. The ads were identical in both publications and purposely did not show my face. All of us pretty much lost it seeing this and were at a loss for words or any other response. Since all of us had pretty much decided Tony was just a lot of hot air we were forced at that moment to admit we had been wrong about him. We asked him how he had done it and frankly why, since none of us had a clue that this was coming. Tony glared at us and then looked directly at me and said, "I told you I was going to make you a star." He owned me right then and there. I was his to to with as he saw fit at that point and he knew it. Tony was a master at getting to your weakest point and using it to endear himself to you. Once accomplished, he could pretty much get you to do anything and this is how Tony set me up to follow his every command. At that point he became the most important human being on earth to me, because he was actively making my dreams come true right in front of my very eyes. I wanted to be a star and he was making it happen. He was God, or at least he had me believing it. The following week, 2 more ads ran in Billboard and Cashbox, except this time they were half page black and white ads. The words on them stated, "Bobby Jameson The Star Of The Century" and again topped a black silhouette of me not showing my face. The noose around my neck tightened, as once again, I was mesmerized by my own addiction to seeing my name in print. Tony, ever the one to take full advantage of his own work reminded me constantly that he and he alone would get me where I wanted to go and I didn't question that for an instant. It was the most powerful addiction that I have ever encountered, then until now. No drug, and I have used smack, pills, cocaine and booze, has ever had any more control over me than that did at that point in my life.
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modesto
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Posted From: 76.209.128.44
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Well, I got to say,that's the first point in Tony's favor I've seen since,-----,no, make that at all. I didn't believe anything Tony said about his past,including the stories about his record label and Bobby Jameson.I guess I'll have to revise my opinion a bit.Still convinced he's a phony though. |
anchored
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Bobby's testimony shows Tony Alamo conned him into believing he would be something great, working him almost to death. Tony Alamo NEVER paid Bobby for his work. Tony Alamo kept ALL the money for himself.
Bobby ALSO gives testimony how Tony Alamo was his drug dealer. |
wilma
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Thanks, Anchored, for posting that info that Jameson wrote here where everyone can see it.
Modesto,
Although Bobby Jameson verifies that Tony did do an actual promotion for him, Bobby also provides evidence in what he has written that Tony Alamo USED and ABUSED him, provided him with drugs, didn't pay him for the work he did and was a con man then and now. Authorities were on to ALAMO for bootlegging the Twenty Original Hits and (unknown to Bobby) charges WERE filed against Tony....the info for that can me found on the www.tonyalamonews.com website and it went to court in 1971 (when Tony was supposedly a Christian).
As is TA's m.o. he couldn't be found to be served court paperwork and did not attend the trial. Some things never change. This may be a better explanation of WHY Tony disappeared into "the ministry", since the Federal authorities were hot on his trail. I wonder if Cashbox and Billboard ever got their money for running the ads.
No one has ever disputed that Tony was a promoter. He is a good con-artist. He has no regard for anyone but himself. He has no conscience when it comes to ripping people off and trashing their lives.
Susie G |
no_stoppin_me
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From Bobby Jameson....."Tony was a master at getting to your weakest point and using it to endear himself to you. Once accomplished, he could pretty much get you to do anything and this is how Tony set me up to follow his every command."
Read that quote a couple of times....so true, so true!!
Wow! I guess some things never change..even 40 years later, still up to his same ole thang!!! |
modesto
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I never doubted Tony "tried" to be a promoter, I just never thought he had any kind of success.My Father was a promoter at one time and still had several successful friends in the business back then and they all said they'd never heard of Tony.This Jameson thing, seems to lend some credibility to his stories of limited success.Also,during that time period he had not begun what he claimed as his "salvation" so he can't really be blamed for anything he did at that point in his life.I'm not defending Tony by any means, but I do insist on intellectual honesty from myself and anyone trying to convince me of anything(learned that the hard way)so I've got to admit compelling evidence even if it doesn't fit my current position. |
no_stoppin_me
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Anyone can pay for an "ad" in Cashbox or Billboard for the right price. It doesn't mean he was a "successful" promoter at all.
Remember when he ran that ad that said something like "Tony Alamo, Voted #1 Singer by the American Music Association", bla bla.....(voted #1 in his own mind)
Or how about how he used Kim Morrison and promised her the world???????? She had music connections and he wanted in on that. Just another waste of the faithful followers' hard earned money! |
pobox398
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Posted From: 75.66.235.106
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Isn't it amazing what continues to surface.
Yes,nsm, you're right, those are valid points. We definitely know those methods are right up the (would be) king of con's alley, I might add. |
anchored
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Hitler was megatons more successful at promoting and conning people than Tony. Tony is/was small potatoes. But the fact remains, and point to be made, is he has always been conning, scamming, exploiting, using/abusing people to this very day.
If there ever was a conversion, what's the difference in his behavior since the conversion? He's even more cunning today and the only difference is he's exploiting Christianity to accomplish his wicked goals. |
modesto
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Good point G.,since this sort of behavior seems not only to have continued unabated but actually increased in its'evil ugliness and,presumably,after someone repents and is saved they turn from their sin,this is strong evidence that no real salvation ever took place with Tony, just a shift in his means of livelihood. |
mixter1
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Amen Mac,
Using and bending Christianity. He has crossed that line. If there was ever a time to be in the Lord, it is today. (Ohhhh sick) I thought of something terrible. Can you imagine being in Hell with Tony Alamo forever, and ever. |
anchored
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Agree J & Mix,
I believe he's always been a con artist. He merely discovered a new medium to accomplish his evil agenda. He combined the profession of acting and the catalyst-----Christianity. |
wilma
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This info taken from a post Friday, Nov 25, 2005 on the Factnet Alamo Foundation Discussion Board.
When telling people what a great promoter he was, Tony Alamo often mentions the “Twenty Original Hits” records. In the audio “Earthquake 2″ on www.alamoministries.com, for example, about 33 minutes into the recording, he says he invented “Twenty Original Hits” and eventually stopped selling new editions only because he “got bored.”
In several of his tracts, Alamo has bragged about how he came up with the “Twenty Original Hits”. Below are two of his tracts that mention his part in the scam. The first one is from page five of a tract titled “Broken To Pieces” (written December, 1997) and the second one is from page one of Alamo’s tract titled “Biting The Bullet” (written September, 1999). The fact is the records were $2.98 each and sold because they seemed like great bargains, a fraction of what the twenty songs would have cost one-by-one. How was he able to sell twenty songs so cheaply and still make a profit? Real simple! Tony Alamo never bothered to pay the copyright holders for rights to use the songs. They were pirated. And when the copyright holders finally came after Alamo for their money, he couldn’t be found. It’s funny how he forgot to mention this.
The evidence that “Twenty Original Hits” was pirated by Tony Alamo is all in the public record. A search for “Tony Alamo” on the Lexus legal database turns up three separate court actions, dating from 1966 to 1972, about copyright violations by “Twenty Original Hits” records.
The main case was dated Feb 8,1971 and was decided in favor of the copyright holders. Tony was named as a defendant along with the advertising agency which worked for him and the radio stations which carried ads for “Twenty Original Hits.” The copyright holders were unable to find Tony and collected instead from the advertising agency and from the radio station.
Tony’s defenders sometimes argue that one or another charge against him is a manipulation by the Catholic Church. It is hard to see how that could possibly be for the copyright case. If the copyright holders couldn’t find him, it seems highly unlikely anyone in the Catholic Church knew anything about Tony at all. In addition, the evidence against him here certainly in no way depends on the word of “backsliding” and “disgruntled ex-members” of the Foundation. Plus, by the time the case was decided, according to what Tony tells us, he was a born-again Christian. But “born-again” Tony, who certainly knew he had been using songs without paying the copyright holders, apparently felt no responsibility to show up in court or to go back and pay the copyright holders what they were due. And then, we’ve got the coincidence that Tony tells us he “got bored” with “Twenty Original Hits” at just about the same time the copyright holders began looking for him.
Finally, even as theft goes, “Twenty Original Hits” was not a particularly clever or original scheme. The footnotes to a July 18, 1966 ruling, rejecting a motion by the defendants in the case, include the following rather unflattering description of the case and of Tony:
“Record piracy is not of recent origin. Since the early 1950’s it has been a recognized and well publicized evil of the industry. Its existence was noted by our own Court of Appeals almost ten years ago. Plaintiffs point out that the practice has taken on a particular form in that usually it is carried out by small unreliable operators of dubious financial background who stay in business only long enough to reap their ill-gotten gains and disappear when legal action against them appears imminent. As already noted, plaintiffs here charge that Mark-Fi and its organizer, Tony Alamo, were such operators.” |
wilma
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After the above post was posted in Nov 2005 I posted the following:
"For people who were at the Alamo Foundation for any length of time, we’ve heard Tony Alamo brag over the pulpit and at his house on numerous occasions about this wonderful idea of 20 Original Hits he brilliantly dreamed up. He bragged about how he made so much money that he even rolled in it with his friends for fun. He told us he had suitcases full of money. Funny that Tony Alamo forgot to mention that these songs were acquired illegally!
Does anyone else see a pattern here? Just like Alamo couldn’t be found to be served papers for court in this instance, we have seen him do this in the Miller felony child abuse case, where he went into hiding from the FBI, disappearing for two years, until he was apprehended in Tampa, FL.
I think Tony and Sue incorporated the Tony & Susan Alamo Christian Foundation somewhere around 1969. At least that’s when Carlos Ave (the first church) started. So this lawsuit was going on all during that time up through 1971, and he never appeared for court. Same ole Tony."
......So hundreds of people were joining the Alamo group from 1969-1971. Tony and Sue were claiming to be our "elders, the "Two Witnesses", etc.
Chris, Susan's daughter's, testified that prior to 1972 Tony raped her. Is this something a Christian would do? NO!!
There are court documents on TonyAlamoNews.com where in 1969 Tony Alamo states under oath that he does not have any children. In 1981, under oath he states that he has children 30 years old. ole Tony just can't get his story straight. Maybe he forgot he had children?
Don't forget that Bernie Hoffman aka Tony Alamo stole the name of an actual singer named Tony Alamo who used to sing with the Sammy Kaye band.
Then Tony tried to pass himself off as this man to us.
Why did Tony go into "the ministry"? To avoid jail time? Because the Fed's were certainly on to him over the copyright violations of the Twenty Original Hits.
Susie G |
anchored
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One slick dude, Wilma. Bernie the Smooth "operator." Thanks for posting.
There's some of the history unfolding right there. He must have been hatching all kinds of unscrupulous ideas on how to make a fortune. How thrilled he/they must've been to see us coming. I think they knew eventually there'd be a windfall if they could just persevere long enough to get us all working and bringing in paychecks. Even though at Cresc. Hts. I rarely ever saw them, why did I always have this mysterious feeling that there was more to T&S than met the eye? I just sensed there was something secretly going on behind the scenes, something they didn't want us to know. I knew any churches I had ever attended before, the pastor was either always on call or on visitation to his congregation and any time you would want to talk with them, they were either available or would make an appointment with you. We rarely ever saw T&S.
After we moved to Saugus and they got most all of us working in Bakes and LA & at other income sources and those big bucks started rolling in big time and more and more rules started coming down, to protect their new found fortune. They had to tighten up the ship and their control over us became more and more extreme. Until finally it was all in place, and they had us believing that they were the anointed ones of God and we'd better listen to everything they said or God would yank our soul up to the judgment bar. Well, it worked for a while, didn't if folks? I do thank God for saving my soul (saved shortly before I arrived at Cres. Hts.) but I also thank him for deliverance from that abuse and bondage. They would have kept us there forever if the Lord hadn't opened most of our eyes. That's it for now. Thanks again, Wilma. |
wilma
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http://www.tonyalamonews.com/375/twenty-original-hits.php
If you want to see the actual court records of the Twenty Original HIts case you can click on that link. Then you can download the separate court documents.
I just did it and it's easy.
SG |
anchored
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Friday, December 7, 2007
PART (4) WITH TONY ALAMO
For the next 6 weeks the ads kept coming out. I think it was the 3rd or 4th week when Tony dropped Cashbox and just kept the ads coming in Billboard. The 3rd week was a three quarter page ad. The 4th week a full page and so on. They went from black and white to three color and then to a full color, four page pullout in the 8th week. No one had ever done this before, so the whole world wide music industry was noticing it. People were watching to see how far it was going to go. Each week they'd check out Billboard to see if a new and bigger ad was in it and there was. It became kind of a game that everybody was playing. I was blown away by the whole thing. You've got to understand that I was just some punk kid from nowhere that nobody had ever heard of and all of a sudden I was the subject of a lot of the industry. No one knew where the ads were coming from or who was doing this. People would speculate that it was a major label doing it from America, as a response to Beatlemania, which had taken over the US along with the rest of the world. The Beatles were the phenomenon, so Tony named me, The World's Next Phenomenon. I had nothing to do with it. I just stood around trying to comprehend what was happening in and to my life. In fact, for quite awhile nobody knew that I was Bobby Jameson, and when they found out they basically said, "well who the hell are you?" I didn't know how to respond so Tony responded for me. At first this was great, cause he wouldn't let anyone screw with me, but later I found my own voice and trouble between Tony and I soon followed. We had no contract. To this day there is no contract. We had no record. I had to go in the studio(Nashville West) on Melrose Ave., in LA and cut one. We didn't even have muscians on most of the recordings. I wrote, arranged, played and sang everything. I basically produced 4 songs that are now the only 2 TALAMO RECORDS that exist. "I'm So Lonely/I wanna Love You" and "Okey Fanokey Baby/ Meadow Green". There aren't any others cause, I didn't have any other songs at the time. People think there are more secret Tony Alamo tapes of Bobby Jameson, there aren't. The 9th week Billboard ad was a black and white full page with my face shown for the first time. It also had the record listed "I'm So Lonely/I Wanna Love You" for the first time. There was no planning. Everything was done in a rush. The whole damn thing from beginning, to finally having a record, took 9 weeks. My whole life changed forever, in 9 weeks. I went from dreaming it to being it. I had no way of knowing what I was supposed to do next, so I kept waiting for Tony to tell me and he told me. Do this, go here go there, dress like this, act like that. Everything he told me to do, I did, because I didn't know what else to do. He once looked at me and said, "You are a star. You need to be convinced that you are a star. Right now, he said, you just want to be a star, but I'm telling you Bobby that you are already a star, now believe it and don't ever doubt it again." In the amount of time it took him to say those words to me, is the amount of time it took me to accept them as the absolute truth. Bullshit or not I was utterly changed forever by those words,"you are a star." Right, I thought, "my name is Bobby Jameson and I am a star." I was forever doomed by that belief. Forever separated from others because of it. I have lived to regret it to this very day. Even now there is a part of me that still believes, "my name is Bobby Jameson and I am a star." I am also alone.
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Posted by bobby jameson at 12:58 AM |
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It's good to be back...... *sigh*
though not much has changed |
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Excellent Thread Marcel!!! |
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Wilma mentions that about 33 minutes into toeknee's audio Earthquake, he mentions inventing 20 Greatest Hits. My question is, how did you endure listening to 33 minutes of his rubbish to get that information? |
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Hey, could it be that the bootleg cds at Great American Outlet were actually recorded by Alamo and packaged by Foundation? Surely this info will get into the hands of those prosecuting White in Texarkana. |
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I remember toni said Bobby Jameson jumped off a roof and broke his feet. Does anyone else remember this? |
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It will be interesting to hear Bobby Jameson's take on toni's office "experience". I know anyone that was at the foundation any length of time remembers the testimony of how toni's ears shut off and he almost died. From what I remember toni said Bobby Jameson was there so, we can read his eyewitness account. |
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Facinating. Absolutly facinating. |
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Facinating. Absolutly facinating. |
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Sunday, December 9, 2007
(part 5) ME, TONY, PETER and GORDON
Peter Caine was a good guy. He was also a photographer who got hustled by Tony into taking most of the later photos for the Billboard ad campaign. Peter ended up being my only friend and helped me finally break away from Tony and go to England, but I'm getting ahead of myself. To this day there is still an unpaid bill at Billboard for most of the ads that were run. Somewhere between, $13.000 and $14,000 I believe. You see Tony either couldn't or wouldn't pay for the ads. But what he did do, was find someone else to guarantee to Billboard that the account would be paid for. In this case that someone was Gordon Gessler, the son of some wealthy diamond dealers in Beverly Hills. Gordon was kind of a goofy guy with a pretty good heart and Tony used him to accomplish Tony's goal, which was to get the ads in Billboard. Tony succeeded, as Tony was prone to do and then had a falling out with Gordon once the goal was accomplished. I am by no means blameless in all of this, because I ended up moving in with Gordon's soon to be ex wife Lois Johnston who was 29 and I was 19, wow was she hot. Part of the star game is beautiful women and I was sure I'd made it when I moved into Lois's house in Benedict Canyon.
As the ad campaign moved forward into it's climax, my record, "I'm So Lonely" began getting heavy airplay throughout the mid-west and Canada and started climbing the charts in places like Detroit and Cleveland, Ohio. There was a huge 50.000 watt station in Windsor, Canada, called CKLW, just across the river from Detroit, where a DJ named Terry Knight took it upon himself to single handedly break my record and make it a hit, which he succeeded in doing. CKLW was heard in a wide spread area of the mid-west and the record climbed into the top 5 and I believe made it to # 1 in a number of places. Whatever. The point of this is, that now I was in demand, so Tony could go to work on some more people, using the records success as leverage to bend them to his will. |
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(part 5) ME, TONY, PETER and GORDON CON'T.
First was Dick Clark at American Bandstand, who Tony convinced, to put me on the show. Following that, a number of other more regional music shows became willing to put me on because Bandstand had. Tony was no fool. He knew how to use one success to accomplish another. He did a lot of things right, it was just that he always managed to do something that was so outlandish as to make the earlier successes almost null and void. An example would be, as I was out touring around the country, Tony sent me with some other people to Denver, Colorado and said we were booked into the Denver Hilton and that we were expected. So all we had to do was go there and we would be welcomed with open arms. All of this was true. We were greeted by the hotel manager and staff and taken to a suite of rooms. About five o-clock in the morning we were awakened by security and removed from the hotel for fraud. Here's what happened. Tony had telegraphed the Denver Hilton and told them we were coming and to treat us with care because we were important friends of, Tony signed the telegram Conrad Hilton. Well when the manager of the hotel in Denver, who I believe was a Hilton himself, found out he had been bull-crapped by some Hollywood con man he was a little bit •••••• off. So when I say that Tony did a lot of things right, but always managed to screw it up, this is what I was talking about. These kinds of off the wall scenarios continued throughout my time with Tony and I will discuss some of them throughout these writings. As you may well imagine I had a tough time trying to understand this man, who on the one hand was making my dreams come true, while on the other was scaring the crap out of me, by doing things like The Denver Hilton fiasco. For a long time he was able to convince me that this stuff was just a mix up and not to let it bother me. My job, he said, was to "concentrate on the music" and he would take care of the business. All the while Tony was continuing to smoke pot and began having episodes where he said," God was talking to him and telling him to except Jesus as his Lord or die." This too was bewildering to me cause it came out of nowhere and then would vanish as if it hadn't even occurred. Tony used to say," it was just the pot talking and that he'd just gotten too high." The real trouble for me was, that whether or not it was the pot talking or not, I began to feel more uneasy with Tony's explanations for why these things kept occurring. Looking back on it now, I can see that these outbursts were the beginnings of Tony's eventual conversion into some dangerous cult like form of christianity.
Posted by bobby jameson at 9:49 PM |
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tony alamo, harvey cochran, even CONRAD HILTON ?? now that takes a lot of nerve, folks !! this guy has been lying for an awfully long time. |
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WCO,
Yeah it's amazing isn't it, how he had the nerve to sign Hilton's name?
Then there's this quote from Bobby's testimony above:
"To this day there is still an unpaid bill at Billboard for most of the ads that were run. Somewhere between, $13.000 and $14,000 I believe." Again, bills that Tony was supposed to pay.
That's another thing he's been doing for a long period of time after his "supposed conversion" (calling himself a Christian) and was still doing it the last time I was there. Namely, RUNNIG UP BIG BILLS AND THEN NOT PAYING HIS CREDITORS.
All in the name of Christianity, using, exploiting people, and throwing their souls all for filthy lucre's sake. |
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I don't have a myspace account. If anyone has an active MySpace account, could you email Bobby Jameson and ask him if he would post the details of tonys "Office" experience. This really is the total "guts" (if you will) of tonys testimony. Inquiring minds would like to know. |
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This is a test. |
smitty
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Hi NSM, Things are a little slack when there isn't a tonyclone around to stir things up. I'm waiting for the next installment of Bobby Jamison's blog to hear his account of "Tony's conversion" in the attorney's office |
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Smitty,
Me too. As for Jamisom's next blog will Tones say it was just the pot talking? That's crazy. |
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Smitty,
Me too. As for Jamisom's next blog, will Tones say it was just the pot talking? That's crazy. I think he could'nt keep it together and opted to flip out. HOLY PROMO!!! |
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I, for one, would love to hear Bobby Jameson's account of that office experience, where toe-knee supposedly was threatened by the Lord, and told them all to repent !! I have been totally sceptical about it for years (that it ever happened) IF, by any remote chance, God turned toe-knee's whole body into "one hearing ear", he sure is "one giant deaf ear to the voice of the Lord" now !!! |
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wcm,
I have doubts also about that. It would follow that- owing all that money he did not want to answer for anything. He may have done that put-on to hide. Still, I would like an in depth account also. He stood to gain by it at any rate. He used insanity perhaps. Then he culting people. He became a cultist. |
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WCO,
It would be better for Tony if he had never been born...isn't that what the scriptures say about one who KNEW God (heard His voice) and turned away (pervert the Truth)?
(Message edited by scathach on December 13, 2007) |
smitty
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Hopefuly we will be able to hear from Bobby J. himself. He's been trying to post to this site, but the system has been a little "glitchy" and he hasn't been sucessful yet.. |
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Whatever happened to Rowvon? |
smitty
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I don't know. Now that you mentioned it, I think I'll "google" his name. |
smitty
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I've looked for Rowvon, Rovann, Rouvanghn, and Rovaghn with no luck. Sorry |
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Info taken from the official Rouvaun website owned by Rouvaun's son.
www.rouvaun.com
ROUVAUN SURE HIT AT DUNES HOTEL
Taken from a 1968 Fabulous Las Vegas Magazine written by Phil Solomon
" A little over a year ago, Major Riddle and Charles Rich, Dunes Hotel execs took a gamble on an
unknown singer and made him a star overnight in the French spectacular, Casino de Paris. The
singer was James Haun, who became Rouvaun for a show business career. Today, he is the
brightest young singing find in the nation and should be the biggest thing of our time. His
popularity picked up and now is jam packing the twice a night Casino de Paris show. Just 15
months ago, Rouvaun was working for a lumber firm in Los Angeles and in his spare time he
studied music, spending quite a bit of his income for vocal lessons. It wasn't easy for a father of
three children. In a short span of time Rouvaun is a relaxed singer with an impact of responsibility.
He was at the right place at the right time for star billing. Getting top billing was a dream and
never did he think that his career would start at the top in the entertainment capital of the world.
The two men behind Rouvaun are Norman Kaye, formerly of the Mary Kaye Trio and millionaire
Richard Tam. The odds were against all of them. Many show critics that have seen Rouvaun work
compare him with Enrico Caruso and Mario Lanza. The writers fail to realize that Rouvaun is a
tenor, which matters very little. He sure can sing up a storm. The new discovery is polished now
and can sing classics or pops with the best in show business. He went from rags to riches. Riddle
and Rich have Rouvaun signed through 1970. If all the options are picked up the new vocalist will
reach the $25,000 a week class. It's hard to believe that a new star was born overnight, but it's
true and very deserving. This new Casino de Paris is the best of the lot and figures to do capacity
business for the entire stay. We recommend it as a must see show." ................Phil Solomon..
Editor's Note:
Tragically, Rouvaun passed away in Las Vegas at the height of his career in 1975 at the age of 43.
He died of massive internal hemorrhaging stemming from a ruptured esophagus. He contracted a
rare blood disease while touring in South Africa. He recorded a total of six albums for RCA
during his career. |
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I notice Tony was conspicuously absent from Rouvaun's career |
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Wilma.. you are so awesome |
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Hey Mac!!!
I've missed you.
Isn't there an update from Bobby Jameson yet? |
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Hi Dyan,
Welcome Back. Funny you should ask. Been watching & Bobby submitted the following interesting update only last night. |
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Friday, December 14, 2007
(part-6) TAKE THE MONEY AND RUN
My record, "I'm So Lonely" was a full blown hit in Cleveland and Detroit. So naturally Tony started booking me as the guest star at some big shows. I opened for The Beach Boys, Jan and Dean and Chubby Checker, who at the time were all successful acts. I was never paid one penny for any of the live shows I did. Tony always told me that they were just promotion and I was doing them for the exposure and to push record sales. Hell the record was in the top 5 all over the mid-west, why did I have to do free promotional gigs. Of course looking back on it now I realize Tony was getting paid, he just wasn't paying me. Once again, I believed what Tony told me. I was 19 years old and this man had changed my life. It is far easier now to see the truth than it was then for me at that time. It was during this period of working hard that Tony first introduced me to the dexedrine, which I have already mentioned. The point was, to keep me going no matter what. Keep the train moving. Don't let a little thing like being exhausted get in the way. I was flying around on airplanes and riding in limos. I barely knew what city I was in most of the time. The haze began to be my everyday life and the use of pills to get up and pot and booze to come down had become routine. Not only was I doing these live shows and not getting paid, Tony was booking me all over the country and parts of Europe with no intention of ever having me show up. He'd book me, get the front money and that was that. I did not find out about this till sometime later. One of the giveaways to this was when I was doing a live interview, by telephone, with a Cincinnati, Ohio radio station where people called in to talk to me. The trouble was that everybody was •••••• off at me and finally I asked why? "Are you kidding me", the DJ asked. "No. Why are you people so mad at me?" The DJ said, "Because a couple of weeks ago the mayor of Cincinnati and 1100 kids waited at the airport for you in the rain, with the key to the city and you never showed up." It was like being slapped with a rope across the face. "I gotta tell you man, I said, this is the first time I've even heard about it." there was silence for a moment at the other end of the line. "Are you telling us, cause there's a lot of people listening to this show Bobby, he said, Are you saying that right now is the first you've heard about this airport thing?" "Yes, that's what I'm saying. I didn't know anything about it or I would have been there, period. I feel awful, I don't know what else to tell you. I just wouldn't do that If I knew, I just wouldn't do that." |
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The interview ended and I could not believe that what had just happened actually happened. What the hell was Tony doing? It was my name getting trashed, but it was Tony Alamo's plan. I began wondering how much of this was going on. If I didn't know about Cincinnati, what else didn't I know? I begged Tony to get me a band to work with me on the road. I told him how hard it was just to go out on the stage, by myself, and perform over and over again without backup. "They love you. You don't need a band. You're better when you're alone. A band would just take the focus off of you and you're the star. You don't need a band." on and on it went. I could never get what I needed. I'd just show up and play, until I started screwing up. That was a big deal! That was different! Tony had never seen me foul up while playing. It just hadn't happened, ever, until it happened. He changed his tune a bit. "Well maybe a band is not such a bad idea, let me work on it." I never got a band. What Tony did was to start asking guys from other bands who were playing at the same shows to play with me. A lot of them were glad to do it and that's how it went. Tony, always avoiding laying out money for anything. Always getting someone else to do the work and he collected the money. In case the point hasn't been made enough, let me be absolutely clear here. I was not paid one red cent for doing any of the things I have discussed here. "I'm So Lonely" sold a lot of records. I was told by the distributor in Detroit, that the only record that he'd seen do better was Del Shannon's "Run Away". I am not saying "I'm So Lonely" was a mega-hit, I'm just saying it sold a lot of records. There were other people who did more shows than I did, but I imagine they were paid something, at least I hope so. But I am still of the belief that Tony Alamo owes me money for what I did. Do I believe I will ever get it? No! I know Tony too well.
Posted by bobby jameson at 10:31 PM |
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Quote from Bobby Jameson's most recent post:
"Always getting someone else to do the work and he collected the money."
Tony Alamo's forte. It's how he built his perverted empire, at the expense of others, including God and his people. |
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Here's the link to Bobby's blogspot.
Anyone can leave a comment.
http://bobbyjameson.blogspot.com/ |
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If all in the cult read that do you think they would leave? The big star he bragged about spills these truths. I will tell you they will each and everyone of them stay put!!!
Does Tony deserve eternal detention in the 9'the Circle of 'Dante's Inferno'; Claustrophobic blackness in dark matter or wherever souls like that get sent?
What really can you say about him and his stupid followers?
Is he a villain so dark dyed that people cannot see through him?
After all this time what is with them? |
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Saturday, December 15, 2007
(part 6 1/2) THE TALES OF TWO CITIES
I am doing my best to write factually, about the events in the life of Bobby Jameson. There has been, and continues to be, enormous contradictions regarding what Tony Alamo has said about these events and what Bobby Jameson's position is. There is widespread interest, it appears, from followers and ex-followers of Tony Alamo. Some will not believe what is said here, because they won't ever believe anyone but Tony. Others will want to believe what is written here, simply because anything that negatively portrays Tony Alamo, fits into their way of thinking. I am not interested in either sides position. I have my own side to represent and it can only be represented honestly, with facts known only to Bobby Jameson and Tony Alamo. In the end, there will be two different versions of the same events, as described by the two individuals who were originally involved. While Tony has spent decades representing his version of these events, it is only after 43 years, that bobby Jameson's side of this story comes to light. Tony Alamo made millions of dollars with his brand of honesty and hurt countless human beings in the process. Bobby Jameson made nothing and has struggled for over 4 decades to make ends meet while obtaining and maintaining 31 years of sobriety. It is only because of the internet's creation and growth that this opportunity to tell his story became possible. Prior to the internet Bobby jameson was no more than an obscure fact of history.
Posted by bobby jameson at 9:42 PM |
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Far for me to defend Tony in what he is doing today.}
His old ways came back to him and some of the things of the past came more and less and his Christian life, and now more than less.
Knowing Tony as strong epicurean, do you think he will have past a big part of his life with a wife who was sick, not having probably sexual relations with her for many years ?
If he was not once born again never he will have accepted that.
When Suzy die , after a while, he started really to look for women, and from one wife to another, he ended up with paedophilia (sex with young girls)
So Tony after a while did start again to use his old ways to make money for him, to take pills and so on.
But for me , I know also, as many other brothers and sisters, that we got saved at the foundation where the Lord brought us.
Did the Lord was making a mistake by bringing us to a place where the leaders was not saved?
Does a bad tree bring good fruits ?
We always said we were good Christians ! Yes we were , even if some of the Christian qualities were missing among us, yet we were saved and serving the Lord.
What I want to say is for me that Tony did have an experience with the Lord, but now he is no more acting as a true Christian, still hiding himself behind some truth and some twisted scriptures and wicked practices.
This is what Bobby Jameson wrote on November 5, 2007
In 1964 I went to England, because of a letter I'd received from ANDREW LOOG OLDHAM who was producing the ROLLING STONES. I was still trying to work with TONY ALAMO, but he'd begun saying things to people about having to surrender his life to Christ or die. I was not ready for what was happening to him, so I jumped at the chance to go to England and work with OLDHAM”
http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendID=276453076
And also yesterday
SATURDAY, DECEMBER 15, 2007
I am doing my best to write factually, about the events in the life of Bobby Jameson. There has been, and continues to be, enormous contradictions regarding what Tony Alamo has said about these events and what Bobby Jameson's position is. There is widespread interest, it appears, from followers and ex-followers of Tony Alamo. Some will not believe what is said here, because they won't ever believe anyone but Tony. Others will want to believe what is written here, simply because anything that negatively portrays Tony Alamo, fits into their way of thinking. I am not interested in either sides position. I have my own side to represent and it can only be represented honestly, with facts known only to Bobby Jameson and Tony Alamo. In the end, there will be two different versions of the same events, as described by the two individuals who were originally involved.
(part 6 1/2) THE TALES OF TWO CITIES
http://bobbyjameson.blogspot.com/2007/12/part-6-12-tales-of-two-cities.html
My conclusion is that I am not going to throw away the testimony of my salvation and of my first 15 years as a Christian, because Tony backslides in deeds, as, unhappily, some former brothers and sisters from the foundation.
Sincerely
Marcel
(Message edited by Marcel on December 16, 2007) |
heynow
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Marcel, Good points. I am still curious about tony's office experience. It would be interesting If Bobby Jameson decides to explain it. Not trying to discredit either person's story but, just want to read his version. Of course I also do not agree with tony's current lifesyle. However I do have a question for all former members. Did you feel the Holy Spirit when you were living at the foundation? |
modesto
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To conclude that to realize Tony was not saved and was a crook from the begining is NOT the same as "going to throw away the testimony of the first 15 years as a Christian, because Tony backslides in deeds, as, unhappily, some former brothers and sisters from the foundation."! What seems to me to be being said in that quote is that the entire validity of your christian testimony during its' first eleven years is invalid if Tony was not really saved.To say that your's or anyone else's "testimony" is in any way contingent upon anything Tony,Susan or the Foundation did or failed to do is simply idolatry, Isaiah 2;22.Are we lacking in examples of sincere people willing to give up their lives to the service of God who were harmed by other cult leaders who were crooked from the start,I don't think so!?Why should we conclude that any of us are so special that that couldn't happen to us Mathew 5:45?Isn't it possible that God could have had some purpose in allowing us to be decieved even though we were sincere.
I find it strange that Bobby Jameson, in his post cited above says things like"in the life of Bobby Jameson" rather than 'my life'and "facts known only to Bobby Jameson and Tony Alamo" rather than 'Tony and me".What's that all about?Literary twist for dramatic effect?Maybe, I guess, but it certainly makes me wonder. |
modesto
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I felt the Spirit before,during and after my Foundation experience.I also don't in any way attribute that to Tony or Susan,I fear God too much for that!!! |
modesto
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One more point from me then I'll pipe down.I don't necessarily insist that Tony was never saved(I just doubt it very strongly based on the facts I've seen).I think Jim Jones was sincere in the begining of his ministry with the Assembly of God Church, but what does that really prove? |
saved_21570
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Marcel,
There are many people that agree with you. Personally, I have come to the conclusion that it is senseless to argue whether Tony ever was a Christian or not. Most people have their own opinion and are not going to be persuaded.
The main issue for me is the fact that children are being molested, raped, and forced into marriages against their will. These are criminal acts that are taking place right now.
I appreciate the fact that Bobby Jamison is just interested in the truth. That is all I want to hear. His autobiographical account is the most fascinating reading I have had in a long time.
When people are slanted with their own bitterness or prejudice it becomes clear quickly. This has the tendency to cause people to take what is said less seriously even if it is true.
Tom Alford saved February 15th 1970, 1412 Noth Cresent Heights Blvd., Hollywood, CA |
marcel
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That's all I am saying :
Tony was saved once and now he is a backslider, that’ all.
Yes, "heynow"( whosoever you are, I cannot remember all this new nicknames) , yes I felt the Holy Spirit at the foundation.
I got baptised in the Holy Spirit about 15 days after may salvation, and I felt the Holy Spirit many times after. I remember specially one Sunday afternoon in the church in Dyers, when we were all worshipping the Lord in prayers, Sue was there too at that time, I felt so strong the presence of the Lord hat I thought that if I was going to open my eyes, I will see Him...!
I guess that even to day at the foundation, if some brothers and sisters that don't know what is going on with Tony's life, and if they love the Lord, they will fill His spirit. I am sure that there are still some new sincere brother in fire testifying for the Lord in the streets.
So what is the difference with our time ?
In our time, Tony was not that bad, and even if some of the things Tony and Sue were doing were not perfect, yet they were not backsliders as Tony is to day.
But if anyone at the foundation know what is going on with Tony life today, with all this concubines, lies, drugs, beating, etc…I cannot believe he will fill the Lord presence, because he is a hypocrite that stay with someone who do not live what he preaches.
Anyone knowing what’s going on at the foundation today and staying there, is guilty by association and making compromises, because he is like Tony, a bakslider who follow Tony and not the Lord, and also he is afraid to live the foundation not knowing where to go.
When I found out that Tony what getting high on drugs, I told him, and the next day I left the foundation because he didn’t repent and he called me a liar, when I had witnessers, and I am not a liar either. Marc L... was a witnesser toobut he backed up when he saw it was becoming hot (I don't know f he is still with Tony ?)
Yes, I know I had family in France, but many brothers and sisters left without having nowhere to go to and the Lord help them, and I think I will have done the same even if I had nowhere to go.
I will not have stay any longer at the foundation with a pastor taking drugs, that what I witnessed at that time, also lies and a some other things… |
anchored
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By the way, I knew that anyone could access the blogspot for Bobby's posts. The reason I am transferring it to this board is in case the blogspot should suddenly vanish. I'm sure there are those, (hmmm), that would like to attempt its evanescence. This will give it a place of permanence. |
saved_21570
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Thanks, Anchored.
If Bobby, or anyone else that is new to factnet, wants to read some early memories from when the church first started; (When it could still be called a church.) Go to the bottom of the Alamo Foundation page to Old Posts, then - Posts before 11-11-06, then - Remembrances thread.
For the record, I agree with you Marcel, I like your posts. I hope all is well with you in France.
Tom |
heynow
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Anchored, Thanks for reposting the Bobby Jameson saga here. I was a little puzzled why you did that. Now I understand. Yes, I hope some current members read this.
Modesto, I don't know what tony's status was with God at the time I came to the foundation. It really dosen't matter. I do know I felt the Holy Spirit while there and out of the foundation. Can this be attributed to tony? Of course not. It can be attributed to the Holy Spirit. I do believe the Spirit was there at the foundation. Hence the question: Did you feel the Holy Spirit while living at the foundation? |
mixter1
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I have never felt that Tony was completely faithful to Susan Alamo. There was a marked distance between them which did not make sense. She was sexless. They were more like business partners. There was the mass confession. I did not hear the famous "Confession of Tony Alamo". I was told that he said: "My name is Tony Alamo and I love my wife" (that is supposed to mean I am faithful). The confessions were when? 1978? Did anybody hear his confession? |
wilma
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I appreciate everyone's viewpoint on whether Tony was ever saved or not. As time goes on and more information surfaces I just want to keep an open mind to the facts. Like others have said, whether or not Tony was ever saved, it makes no difference to our sincerity and relationship with the Lord.
"Whether in pretense, or in truth, Christ is preached and I therein do rejoice." Phil 1:18
It is enlightening that Bobby Jameson shares that Tony was a "pothead" and that in relationship to God speaking to him, later Tony would say it was the drugs talking. I'm wondering if Tony's supposed salvation experience was a combination of him seeing the movie Elmer Gantry, "pot" and other drugs talking to him, and his need to hide from the Feds since he had bootlegged the Twenty Original Hits.
These are Facts:
1. We know Tony hid from the charges of the 20 Original hits while he was a supposed young Christian.
2. He lied under oath in 1969 when questioned about having children. He changed his story in a 1981 deposition.
3. He gave his "testimony" over the pulpit on a regular basis declaring how he made BobbyJameson and Rouvaun big stars. The story was complete with lavish details. MUCH of what he said was a LIE.
On Bobby's blog someone posted in the Comment section word for word from Tony's tract Signs of the Times, Tony's testimony about BobbyJameson.
Bobby's response was:
"I have heard this rendition of Tony's account of this event before, and all I can tell you at this point is that it is complete and utter nonsense. It did not happen that way. I will give my version of exactly what transpired shortly. There is context to these events and I am determined to relay this story as it truly happened.
Bobby Jameson"
My sincere question is that if Tony was lying under oath and to everyone in the church in 1969,70, 71, 72,1973, etc wasn't he a con man even then? This isn't even a case of extreme exaggeration. It is plainly out and out lies.
We all know Tony did not tolerate even benign exaggeration in the church members. I remember once Oscar G was answering phones at the Spec House. Tony called and asked for someone who was in the next room. Oscar said they'll be here in "just a second". (A figure of speech that everyone uses.) Tony counted "one thousand one" and when they weren't there in ONE second he proceeded to REBUKE Oscar for the next half hour about what a liar he was. It was sooooo ridiculous. My point is that even if someone wants to justify Tony as just an extreme exaggerator, Tony doesn't give others the same benefit.
Susie G |
wilma
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Anchored,
I appreciate you posting Bobby's blogs here on Factnet too. Months from now not everyone will know to go look on his blog site and we know that multitudes of people are reading Factnet. Plus, if you're checking his site regularly then we know we're getting it hot off the press.
I left his link above in case anyone wants to leave him a comment.
Thanks much,
SG |
anchored
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Wilma,
Excellent idea putting the link here, too. Thanks. Yes, true what you said about months from now, people could lose track of the blog site. Also, (and the primary purpose in transferring the posts here) in the event a "certain someone" might succeed in getting the blog site down, it will always be preserved here for observation.
GM/Mac |
anchored
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Tom & Heynow, my pleasure. I'm here to help. |
modesto
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Mix,
I hope you don't think I'm attacking you, we can agree to disagree,you are my buddy as far as I'm concerned.BUT(a term Susan took major exception to)I couldn't disagree more with you about Susan being "sexless".I saw Susan in a romantic even amorous mood at a recording session one night where she nearly seduced Tony right there in front of all the rest of us!I was impressed!Even though I found her totally physically unattractive, I started,that night , to think I should change my mind(While,at the same time dutifully pleading the Blood of Jesus of course!!).She demonstrated a sensual skillfulness that was neither obscene nor vulgar(it was perfectly acceptable amongst Fundamentalist Christians) but was an incredible turn on.This turn on was not lost on Tony,I could tell.That was one of the few things I remember, with fondness, about Susan.
Susan,sexless? No way! |
anchored
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Sunday, December 16, 2007
(part 7) TONY SENT ME I WENT
Toward the end of me being Tony's boy, I was flown alone to a city, I believe on the east coast. It could have been New Jersey or New york, but frankly I'm not sure. As much as I was moving around It could have been anywhere. The plane landed and I was met by a limo. The driver had been directed to take me to a lower middle class home in the suburban part of whatever city I was in. I had zero information about what was transpiring but didn't think it was any different than what i'd been doing, until we pulled up to a small house on a residential street. There were a lot of people out in the street and on the sidewalks and yards. The whole area was loaded with cops and a bunch of press. Flash bulbs were going off and police were trying to keep some kind of order as the crowd moved in on the limo. I asked the limo driver where the hell we were and what was going on, because this obviously was completely different than anything I'd expected. He could only say that he had been directed to pick me up at the airport and bring me to this address and that was all he knew. At this point someone was tapping on the window and motioning for me to get out of the car. Without knowing what to expect I reluctantly did so. I was greeted by a number of very official looking people in suits who appeared to be very happy to see me, which was somewhat of a relief. "Hi Bobby, came a voice of one of the greeters, very glad to see you and thank you so much for coming. This will mean everything to the parents" Now I was really confused. What parents? What was this guy talking about? I was completely in the dark and tried unsuccessfully to obtain some info as to what the hell was going on. "Bobby, this is his honor the mayor, of wherever we were, and he has been looking forward to meeting you personally." I reached out and shook his hand and barely could make out what he said to me. The crowd had begun to push it's way closer to us and I was keeping one eye on them and the other on all my new buddies. I'd been in crowds before that just all of a sudden got out of control, so I was none too comfortable being out in the middle of the street with these guys. A helicopter kept flying in circles above us making a hell of a lot of noise and this just added to my anxiety. At last, we made it to the house and in the front door where even more people were waiting. They were all trying to thank me at once for coming and I was just getting more and more uncomfortable and kind of angry, because no one was bothering to fill me in on any of what they all seemed to know about why I was there. Everybody was trying to touch me and shake my hand as I was escorted down the narrow hallway of this small house. We got to the doorway of a back bedroom and all of the noise around me suddenly grew quiet as I entered the room. Inside were more people and what appeared to be the parents of a sick boy who was lying on his back on a hospital bed in the very center of the room. There was a priest and a couple of nuns or sisters holding what looked like rosary beads and they were all staring at me with a look that I find difficult to explain. Kind of like ok, do something. I just stood there looking back at them, not knowing what they wanted from me. I heard a voice begin to talk and it was the mother of the sick boy telling him that I was there in his bedroom. I looked over at the kid who had not moved a muscle since i'd arrived. The soft voice of his mother seemed to awaken him to the fact that I was in his room, standing by his bed. He turned his head toward me and asked, "Are you Bobby Jameson?" "Yes, I said, I'm Bobby Jameson." |
anchored
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All of a sudden out of nowhere this kid sits straight up in bed, as if some invisible chord had yanked him up. I was somewhat startled by this, because he had not moved at all since I'd arrived. His mother started speaking again, telling him I was there to autograph his copy of "I'm So Lonely." God I thought! Why didn't someone just tell me that that was why I was here, to autograph this sick kids record. For a moment I was relieved that I now knew what the big fuss had been about. But then the kid got even more animated and stood up on his bed and as he did so, there was kind of a gasp from those in the room. He began jumping up and down on the bed yelling, "bobby Jameson's here, Bobby Jameson's here. I just stared at the kid jumping up and down on his bed, not knowing what I should do at that moment and feeling extremely awkward and wanting to leave. Simultaneously the parents and a few others burst into tears and fell to their knees, muttering words of thanks and I'm not really sure. I quickly signed the record and began my retreat to the door leaving them behind me and heard them still crying as I went. I did not stop or speak to anyone on my way out of that house. If they spoke to me I didn't hear them. I heard nothing. I was angry and confused that I had been brought there without being made aware of the circumstances. I hit the street and again I spoke to no one. I saw the limo driver and motioned to him that I wanted in the car and out of this place now. He seemed to know exactly what I was thinking and opened the door to the limo, which was still parked in the middle of the street. He drove me straight to the airport and on the way there I learned from him the circumstances of the boy, which he had learned from talking to people outside the house while waiting for me. The kid was gravely iil and not expected to live and had not walked for 6 months until I showed up in his bedroom. I did not want to hear anymore and closed myself off to the world as we drove on to the airport. Before I knew it I was back on the plane and it was in the air headed to, God I didn't know. I didn't know anything except that I was ready to tear Tony's head off for sending me there at all. Why in gods name did he send me there? And why didn't he tell me about the sick kid? What was he going to do next and how was I supposed to be ready for it, whatever it was going to be. I didn't know the answer to that and it scared me. I had a terrible sense of uneasiness about Tony and I knew that I would not go on forever doing what he told me to do.
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mixter1
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Modesto,
I really appreciate what you told me, Thanks. Maybe tony chose promotion as a career cause he could get young chicks. I have the feeling that sue loved us at times like children. Did you feel that also modesto? So, the saying that 'cancer is stronger that love and more bitter than death' may be dribble at least in that sense. Constant pain changes people. When people face death as sue did they come to different terms with the world. |
dyann
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SueG and Mac,
Thank you both for all the copies you've made in here. The more copies spread around the net the better chance they'll have of surviving.
I for one operate on a snail-mobile and can't use "MySpace" with any degree of certainty that I'll stay connected while pics and files try to load from there.
VERY much appreciate the easy format of reading the re-posts in here. |
anchored
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Tuesday, December 18, 2007
EACH TIME I HEAR THE NAME TONY ALAMO-(part 7 1/2)
There is no explanation for this story. There is no hidden meaning. It was just one more confusing day in my life with Tony. The reason I posted this, is because for 43 years I have not forgotten it. Like a mental tatoo, it is just there in my mind, brought to life each time I hear the name Tony Alamo. I still do not know why he sent me there. I was promoting a record and then out of nowhere this turned up. It is of primary importance to me, in that it preceded the eventual collapse of my relationship with Tony Alamo. This episode signaled to me, in the deepest way possible, that Tony was thinking in completely different terms than I was. He now appeared to be using me for some other purpose of his, which I could only guess about based on what I knew. The ill child and my unwitting part in it, caught me completely off guard and placed me in a no win battle with myself. What did it mean? I didn't and still don't know, but I know it meant something to Tony. It caused me to change, in some final way, my entire view of what I was doing with him. I began questioning, deeply, whether I should continue to do anything with this man, who had single handedly put me in the life I was living. This kind of cross purposes split me in half and left me with two completely different options to choose from. A crossroad! What was I going to do? How at 19 years old was I supposed to figure this damn mess out. Part of me still needed Tony and part of me was sure I had to get away from him before more weird things occurred. I knew for sure that Tony had been on some sort of God trip, but now I had to consider what that really meant. I had been kind of ignoring it, as best I could, hoping that it was just some trip he got on when he smoked pot. But in light of the kid in the bedroom I began looking closer, a lot closer, at Tony's ranting about God. There had been spooky overtones about religion in that house and I had felt like a captured rat in that room with the priest and people falling to their knees. Hell I could have easily just assumed that the kid was excited to see me and was jumping up and down on an adrenaline rush. But those people seemed to take it to the next level, whatever that was. They appeared to me to be assigning some greater meaning to it all. Anyway, that's why I pretty much just ran out of the place and didn't talk to anyone. I did not want to discuss what had happened. I was 19. I was a damn pop star, not anything else. I was still that kid from nowhere who wanted to be famous.
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modesto
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Heynow,
Because of the context in which you asked about feeling the Spirit at the Foundation,I got the feeling that if somebody said "yes" the conclusion you would assert might be something like "then God must have been doing some work through the Foundation and ,by implication, the Alamos".If that, or something close to it wasn't what you were leading up to then please forgive my mistake.If it was,I would say that yes "The Holy Spirit was "there at The Foundation",just as He is everywhere else in the world dealing with people and empowering God's will.This would be no endorsement at all of the Foundation or the Alamos who consistently tried to take credit for the accomplishments of anyone they could including God.
Mix,
I never felt any maternal feelings from Susan.I thought she was a very bitter and fearful person too narcissistic and self obsessed to be terribly maternal,even with her own children.I think those feelings you got from her reflected your own desire to see good in others.Just my opinion and I know I've been wrong many times before. |
dyann
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I completely agree with everthing you stated above, Modesto. -everything.
So I say "Amen" |
mixter1
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Way I see it: Crescent Heights was the gathering phase(Book of All Purpose Culting). Saugus was the Isolation phase. Arkansas-getting/securing assets.Etc. Two cold and calculating people. It is very hard to imagin Tony Alamo as ever being saved. No altruism or spiritual goal. Perhaps Bobby was part of the same plan that we were!(PERHAPS). That should supprise nobody. This did not happen overnight. Both Tony and Susan were planning the whole thing. This was Susan's idea. |
dyann
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I'm no spiritual giant BUT..
It appears in the context of Bobby's post that something was going on in that house before he got there. Perhaps a prayer meeting? Perhaps Tony promised the kid and his family a "healing"?
I'd love to hear from anyone in that house who witnessed the "Before and After" of that event.
And I wonder if Bobby ever realised he may have witnessed the working of the Holy Spirit.
I have a lot of wonders on this chapter. |
heynow
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Very difficult to figure out. The way it was explained, the family did not expect any change in the child. They only wanted Bobby to show up, sign the record, and say hello. |
jackrussell
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Wow, does the plot thicken!! If only Tony and Sue had the ability to level with us in the first place, but oh no, at the very least, subliminal ulterior motives were at work in those two heads, whereby much misapplication of scripture meaning was spun very early on to keep us in the dark, at bay, like on a need to know only basis. Tony just loved to twist around the 'deceiving, but yet true' type scriptures. Just had us all zinging with all the change-ups, so in all that duplicity there would never really be a lie, just use a scripture tailor made to deceive us into a justification that big Tony guaranteed to fit. Well, it sure worked on us for awhile, 'till the well ran dry.' And the unfortunates still there been feasting on dry bones for a long, long time....almost 40 years, and no closer to the promised land, but getting closer to somewhere else for sure, and those dry bones ain't coming back unless you get the heck out and away from Alamo and his hellbent ways. That you can take to the bank, it is an ironclad guarantee, so unlike Tony Alamo and all his unpaid bills.
my 2 cents |
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Thanx Anchored and S.G., for all your painstaking work on this Bobby Jameson information !! so enlightening. There are more pieces to the puzzle in place, but I know we all want to see the "big picture" all completed.
Back at Crescent Hgts., the majority of us were hippies or out from a "similar to the hippy culture" of "doing our own thing", "searching for the truth", "finding God", "a purpose for living" etc.
When I got my first real look at t&s alamo, I was just flabbergasted. They even LOOKED like cult leaders.toe-knee parading around the sanctuary in mafiosa shades,(probably checking out the sisters) always with his head up, with that somber expression, and look of over-importance. susan with that fake-looking yellow hair, all rolled up on top of her head (all she needed was to place a little surfer in there, as if they were riding the Bonzai Pipeline, like those tall Renaissance hairdos, with a ship placed in them !!) my gut feeling was that "something was terribly wrong with this picture". Why was this arrogant sounding couple, (all dressed to impress. IMPRESS WHO ?? LOL we may have been impressed if Bob Dylan had walked in) interested in a room full of young(er) people, from a whole different setting ??
I can only speak for myself. I was suspicious of them from day one. They placed themselves too far above the rest of us peons, and only showed up for Sunday afternoon services. Very seldom did we ever see them come around. I saw no real caring about our welfare. Speaking of welfare; a few of us recieved welfare checks, for a very short period of time, because we were struggling when we moved in. In about 2 months time-the alamo family demanded those checks for themselves!! (every blessed cent) meanwhile, we wore raggedy pants, ate grocery store reject food, our babies and children sat on a filthy carpet, eating donuts for breakfast, there was no dental or medical care, and the hours wore us all out. 140 people were all crammed into one house, with 2 toilets, a tub and shower, brothers were sick with bronchial pneumonia, walking thru the halls, spitting into jars, children were burned by hot coffee pots in the hall, drank lice-killer, left outside the restrooms, sucked on siphoning hoses, left strewn around the backyard. There was no real concern from them, until an inevitable accident happened, then they rebuked us for our slothfulness, but rarely even showed up. they did not care, and that's all there is to it. |
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Hi WCO,
If Toe-knee were collecting government assistance today through an intermediary it would not surprise me. The world pastor is getting money from some source. Rent could be raised to over 1550 per person(even with 2 room occupancy)!!! That may be why he wants the children staying there besides his perversion. Sooner or later things may come to that. State licensing would be necessary, then, have a nurse visit(real or imaginary). I've wondered about this but considered it unlikely, What to your knowledge was he up to? Is anyone getting money from the gvmt. that lives in that bone yard??? -follow the money.
I see Crescent Hgts was not that supernatural.
They had somebody paying lip-service to them no doubt. What of that the case of food multiplying, for instance, did that happen? If so did Tone get the glory or the Lord??? |
heynow
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Modesto, Yes, the move of God could only be attributed to the Holy Spirit. |
dyann
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I just think this needs to be reposted, reminded on this thread. CP is always so refreshingly to the point and captures exactly the nature of my Spiritual Memory 1969/70
Posted on Tuesday, June 26, 2007 - 10:25 am:
Leaving T&S out of the picture momentarily, the draw was undeniably a spiritual one. Most of us were there to serve the Lord, albeit over the years, there were tares sewn in amongst us here and there. And because you don’t know what you don’t know (there was something rotten festering, but for the most part we were kids with no ‘schooling’ so to speak to help us recognize the beginnings of the rotteness )… we continued to stay as the going continued to get rough. It was all we knew, and we clung to it, like a babe clings to its mother, mistakenly pleading the blood against everything that even so much as hinted at it not being the pure work of God we were encouraged to whole-heartedly accept it as.
When in all actuality it wasn’t, nor could it be, because early on evil crept in and perverted the very core of the work as we were very intentionally steered away from rightly dividing everything according to the Lord’s Word, our only God-given untainted guide on this side of eternity – the B(asic) I(nstructions) B(efore) L(eaving) E(arth):BIBLE.
When it came to meekly -(a tremendously powerful word) scrutinizing our pastors’ behavior with His Holy Word and requiring their uncompromised adherence to Its unerring dictates, we failed. It became all too generally accepted making it easy to exchange what the Word said, for what T&S said in critical matters concerning their position of absolute authority. This is where the group-mentality entered in. If anyone did scripturally question the actions of T&S, it wasn’t just the pastors they were up against, that particular ‘odd-man-out’ brother or sister was up against the mind-set of the bulk of the congregation, too.
Knowingly having this intoxicating all-controlling real sway over the congregation, empowered T&S to combat any bible based ridicule of their actions with this all too recognizable attitude: “The door’s right where it was when you came in – if you don’t want to live by our rules, you can leave whenever you want. And further more we have no intention of putting up with anyone trying to sew discord around here. We run this operation and that’s just how its going to continue. No one’s going to come in here like a bad apple and upset this apple cart as long as I’m heading this place up!”
John, if you were there (and I know you were, we all were), then it doesn’t take too much imagination to know whose words those were.
That, in toto, was the crux of the Foundation’s downfall, and all our high hopes and unfulfilled dreams for the foundation went right along with it. We just didn’t have the God-given sense to realize it, until it as all began to go to hell in a hand bag, some of us woke up and got out; while still others of us, mercifully, were kicked out.
cp |
heynow
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I know former foundation members find it puzzling that there are still folks living at the foundation. There are probably many reasons why they are still there. Here are some more of my thoughts. The economic situation does have a lot to do with it. I believe at this point there really is no way they can support tony's lifestyle or defend it (by using the Bible or otherwise). Also, many foundation members probaly believe tony's current message hogwash. Why do they stay? The real reason is they enjoy being with the other folks at the foundation. They know once they leave, adios social life (yep you could call it that). They will no longer have those friends. If you think about it, there are some great people still there and there are some not so great. The current members just can not and will not give up their foundation friends. |
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Bonjour
I don't read all the posts but I say "Hi to everyone".
Yes, we had the Lord at the foundation, but also we were never alone, always with someone.
Even if it is good to be sometime alone, to be around brothers and sisters was a good thing too.
When I came back to France the hardest thing was to go to a church where everyone was singing "We are the family of God" but yet, I was coming alone and leaving alone for quite a while, no one to share with, everyone going by himself in his own home after meeting, married or not..
By the way, can you make me a favour and tell me who you are , because I get lost with all this nicknames.
Hi ! “saved_21570” , Tom Alford , C.P. who did sign her name a few time; Carolyn Pryor, Sue “Groux” too, I guess I don’t know who write (maybe I knew some but I forgot..)
If you don’t mind, can you send me a mail with your name and nickname, it will be only for me you can trust me, so when I read your post I can remember you. Thanks
Marcel
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saved_21570
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mixter1
"Perhaps Bobby was part of the same plan that we were!"
You are giving Tony Alamo credit for being alot smarter than he really is.
For one thing, if he was so smart he would not have screwed up everything he ever touched. He could have had plenty of money with Bobby Jamison. You can see the same pattern of bizzare behavior when the money began to roll in.
His ego was his downfall then, and now. A little power and his behavior becomes eratic and delusional.
I personally believe God dealt with him. He got saved, and then it went to his head, when he was given a place of authority.
Tom |
mixter1
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Tom,
All I meant was dates. Bobby split from him, remember. Tony was using him for charity when he sent Bobby to see that kid. That's just as much a promo thing as any other. I'm just speculating here. T&S married 1966 in Vegas or so I read. Bobby says he met Tony in 1964. Tony knew Susan before they married. T&S married when Tony started getting Bobby's money. That's seems to be the way it's unfolding. Anyone wonder where the money really came from to get those properties. The foundation became official in 1969. I know it sounds a little off. TONY(the oily creep)-TONY WAS GETTING THAT MONEY FROM THIS MANS FIRST SONGS. AGHHH! I HATE IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
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You might have something there. Let's say "What if". What if tony would have dealt with Bobby Jameson truthfully, paid him, and was up front with him about every move. Obviuosly Bobby had amazing talent. How many artists perform alone? Not many.
Marcel, Yep, the foundation folks do not want to be alone. That is the total reason they are there. Chances are they are probably there for life. It dosn't matter what tony does or says. They are not goin anywhere. |
mixter1
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Summation: No doubt Tony was just as much an inept jerk as he is now. But there is a chance he stashed money away. Also, a 2 year window is just about right. I admit speculation is all it is. All, that money though. Why is Alamo asking for a loan? There may be no rendition of what took place in that office. There may not have been an office. This may account for there being so little evidence of Tony doing promo. Why? Remember, this creep had a jail record relating to weapons and was wanted for mail fraud. Who knows what else? This precludes Alamo getting any loan folks. He had to have been aware of that no matter how stupid he is. This nimrod(jerk) was in hiding then just as he is today. Bind the devil really meant bind the law and the creditors. Only we were the sincere ones. |
wilma
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Below is a comment posted on Bobby Jameson's blog and his answer....very telling.
Anonymous said...
Bobby,
Were you there in the office where Tony's SUPPOSED conversion took place? If so could you please relay what you witnessed?
It is most interesting that Tony was a POT HEAD and was having visions of grandeur, thinking God was speaking to him.
What happened after this meeting?
Did Tony go into hiding for awhile?
How did you part ways?
Bobby, thanks for setting the record straight after all these years. I'm sure Tony never expected you to surface and expose him for the con-artist he was even back then.
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Blogger bobby jameson said...
Comment by Bobby Jameson in response to question. "Was I in the office with Tony that day?"
Yes! There was the little jewish investor, myself and Tony. No one else was in that room. It was the three of us, period.
Bobby Jameson
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(This of course means Tony Alamo got up night after night at Crescent Heights and Saugus...with Susan A there..and lied lavishly about his testimony.)
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brother_d
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Not a lot to figure out here, folks. T&S were a couple of grifters out to make a buck. They were not averse to using ANY means to get rich and exalt themselves. Preying on people's religious beliefs goes way back before Elmer Gantry, but it's probably a bit telling that tonee saw the film about the time of his "conversion". The guy is filth, plain and simple. |
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Thursday, December 20, 2007
THE TIDE TURNED (part 8)
After the sick kid incident I rebelled against anymore of, Tony's in charge of everything without question. I began to openly disagree with Tony's ideas regarding my future. For example. I refused to let him book me into shows unless I got a band, which I didn't. I flat out refused to go and told him if he booked me I wouldn't show up. I brought up the long list of odd things he had done and confronted him for the first time. I had changed since he first met me, from the hungry little kid, to a more seasoned performer who'd been out on the road a bit and had learned a few things. I asserted myself and my position and Tony didn't like it. The fear of being disapproved of by Tony, which had always been the case, began to crumble in the wake of my new found willingness to stand my own ground and claim my own selfhood. Tony's iron clad power over me had shifted to a, we better work together or else. Or else what? Therein was the dilemma. Tony's position had always been, "I made Bobby Jameson." He believed, or at least he claimed to believe that without him I never would have got off the ground, and in large part that's true. But then I became me and when that happened I reclaimed myself from Tony. My new position had become, "yeah, you probably did make me Tony, but now that it's happened I am not the same willing little kid you could control with promises like before." It was a Mexican standoff and Tony knew it. Hell there was no way he could force me to do anything. It wasn't like he could refuse to pay me if I didn't go, cause he wasn't paying me anyway. Everything he could have used for leverage didn't exist. You can't take away something if you never provided it in the first place. Tony had played himself into a corner with his own greed and lack of real fairness. So when it came time to use his chits, he didn't have any and I damn well knew it. (If you are reading this and have no real sense of a timeline, let me clarify briefly. Most of what I have discussed here only took about 6 months to occur. The beginning middle and eventual end to Tony and me, was like a ride on a rocket ship, in that it started, my life was forever changed in 9 weeks and then 4 or 5 more months to a bizarre conclusion. Everything that occurred between us went extremely fast. No real plan at all. No time to consider anything before it was done. So in essence mistakes were common place.) As I was saying, Tony was completely aware that the power he had had over me was now different. |
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He could not command me like a dog any more, without fear of getting bitten. He looked for new ways to gain control and one of them was a live performance in Los Angeles, which I had never done other than American Bandstand and a few other local television music shows like, Ninth Street West and Lloyd Thaxton. I knew that I would be performing by myself again, but Tony convinced me it was the last time i'd have to do it, so I agreed. He booked the old Ciro's night club on the Sunset Strip and put up a 35 foot black silhouette of me on the roof which said, "Bobby Jameson Here! One Day Only." I don't know how many people Ciro's (now the comedy store) holds, but it was full on the day I played there. It was invitation only and I did my job well. I played by myself for those people with my guitar and amplifier and a microphone. No band just me and I was good. That was the last time I ever went on stage alone again. It seemed to be a moment in time that just got stuck and hasn't moved since that day. After I played I vaguely remember talking to people. I couldn't tell you who was there, but I remember leaving pretty quickly afterwards. I knew Tony would be making use of my work and make promises to people about my availability to perform somewhere. I knew he would get money in front from of them and I knew to, that he never intended for me to show up. He just made money by promising things, but the promises were only used to get the money. It was a quirk I discovered about him. He could of made so much more if he had done it right, but he seemed doomed to an addiction of always pulling something off on people. Like that was the point, when in fact that was the smallness of Tony. He had big powerful ideas, but he always went for the chicken •••• payoff. He had been offered a deal by just about every major record company there was for me, but he wouldn't take it. He wanted to be Col. Tom Parker, who represented Elvis Presley. He wanted to be a big shot. The tragedy was that he damn near made it, but figured out a way to screw it up at the last minute, That was and I would guess still is Tony Alamo. It is easy for me to see this in Tony, because I have seen it in myself. Always getting so close to the dream coming true and then at the last minute doing something insane or just plain stupid to screw it up, always with the tag, they or he or something made me fail. This is classic alcoholic thinking, I know cause I am an alcoholic and I believe that Tony Alamo is too.
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wilma
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From Tony Alamo's tract Signs of The Times talking about the visit to the attorney's office with Bobby Jameson:
"The black limousines lined up, the police escort went into formation, and we cruised down the streets with motorists and pedestrians gaping, wondering who the dignitaries were. We cruised over to the attorney's office. The police lined up the limousines, the chauffeurs opened the doors, and we got out of the limos and went up one flight of stairs to the attorney's offices in Beverly Hills. The offices were packed. The motion picture stars were there, their attorneys and, of course, my seventeen people.
The attorney representing the investment firm was a little Jewish man. He came forward rubbing his hands and smiling. "Tony Alamo," he said, "I have been wanting to meet you. This is the greatest promotion I have ever seen in all my years in the industry. It is an extravaganza," he exlaimed, sweeping the wall with a gesture, and I saw he had the whole promotion laid out on his wall, still rubbing his hands and smiling as we sat down.
"Now," he said, "I understand you boys need a little money." I was getting ready to haggle with him, and I thought to myself, "I have one up on him. He thinks I am Italian and I know he is Jewish." I answered him with, "Well, I don't need as much money as you had originally offered."
Comment by Bobby Jameson in response to question. "Was I in the office with Tony that day?"
"Yes! There was the little jewish investor, myself and Tony. No one else was in that room. It was the three of us, period."
Tony Alamo--LIAR!!!!! LIAR in 1964, in 1969, 1971, 72, 73, NOW, and forever. He is of his father, the devil. |
dyann
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You guys have done a bang up job!
All of you have shed so much light on this.
This entire thread is so revealling to me.
I was only 17 when I came to Crescent Heights.
I didn't know anything about politics, subversion, government, Hollywood, or anything other than what I saw on TV: Manson murders, the Vietnam "conflict", protesting, sit-ins, demonstrations, Laugh-In, free sex, burn your bra, etc.
Being able to read all this through the eyes of experience with deviate personalities has allowed me now to understand how we were originally duped through mind control techniques AND the HOLY SPIRIT stepped in the middle to save our souls ANYWAY! The relationsips we formed while there in the cult are a reflection of who we are out in the world...
Oh thank you JESUS! What a testimony we who have survived really do have.
Poor Bobby, I hope someday he finds that God worked an awesome miracle in allowing all this to happen to him. I pray he finds his Savior through this entire mess. |
dyann
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This ought to give you guys a smirk (smile)
If you google just "Bobby Jameson" this site is the 11th hit that comes up. *roflol* |
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AMEN Dyann,
Loved what you said. So inspiring and encouraging! I have been praying too.
Mac |
dyann
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Isn't that why we come here, Mac?
Not to berate each other but to expose the Anti-Christ, and to "inspire and encourage" each other.
I love being able to reach in here and actually feel all of us.
Remembering the Reason for the Season, Merry Christmas to ALL. |
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Well, I can only speak for myself but I know that's why I'm here. Heaven forbid that we should "berate" one other. We have plenty of exposing and reporting to do and keeping the board on target. I think this has been a real source of healing and cleansing for many people to help them put things in perspective. I know it's been a real eye-opener for me just reading many others' point of view and experiences of those days and has helped me immensely in arriving at some kind of closure. Again, thanks for your input.
WISHING EVERYONE A MERRY CHRISTMAS & A HAPPY, HEALTHY, AND PROSPEROUS NEW YEAR! |
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Right on Wilma,
This was worse than no meeting at all in a so called office. No lawyer, no notaries, no contract paper. Just Tony and a so called financier!!!! There is no indication of any legitimate backing of this nature and magnitude. Not in show business.
This meeting has no traits of contract law, which, was what this should have been about. Well, unless it was informal preliminary consultation. Thats even is not in evidence! It's likely the other man was an Italian who knew Tony was Jewish for all I know. This has all the earmarks of a genuine TA lie. We as always are not surprised.
Dyann thanks for your words. I was about to blow my head out(darn). Just kidding!! I too would like Bobby to get saved. I also would like Tony to go to AA to face a firing squad!!! |
mixter1
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Bobby said yes, a little jewish investor. Maybe they were all stoned. |
saved_21570
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Thank You Bobby.
Tony has said many times that the meeting with the Jewish investor wsa that night. He said specificly that it took place at Ciro's.
He also has said that Ephraim (Zibulist?) Jr. was there and alot of other "insider investors."
Bobby said "I knew Tony would be making use of my work and make promises to people about my availability to perform somewhere. I knew he would get money in front from of them and I knew to, that he never intended for me to show up. He just made money by promising things, but the promises were only used to get the money. It was a quirk I discovered about him. He could of made so much more if he had done it right, but he seemed doomed to an addiction of always pulling something off on people. Like that was the point, when in fact that was the smallness of Tony. He had big powerful ideas, but he always went for the chicken •••• payoff. He had been offered a deal by just about every major record company there was for me, but he wouldn't take it. He wanted to be Col. Tom Parker, who represented Elvis Presley. He wanted to be a big shot. The tragedy was that he damn near made it, but figured out a way to screw it up at the last minute, That was and I would guess still is Tony Alamo."
WOW!
The more things change the more they stay the same!
Tom |
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"He could of made so much more if he had done it right, but he seemed doomed to an addiction of always pulling something off on people. Like that was the point, when in fact that was the smallness of Tony."
That is perfect.
Could you imagine; Tony and Sue had sent us out to establish churches? We loved the Lord. We would have prospered. All they would have had to do is ask, and all of us would have filled their coffers.
It was more than just about the money. Power over people was part of it.
Tom |
marcel
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Thank to the one who wrote to me.
I pray too that Bobby Jameson get saved.
For me , even if Tony exaggerated almost always the things he is telling, he was not at the beginning of the foundation like he is now.
I think that his old ways are a part of him that never disappeared fully, and now it's worse that at that time.
But I think also, that if Tony and Sue were not saved at that time like some think,then as soon as they will have seen the first drug addict being free from drug, and then so many, they will have seen then the power of God and then they will have been getting saved..!
But for me they were already saved, and I think that the adulation that most brothers and sisters had for Tony and Sue now is turned to hate . And in both cases we can be blinded by our emotions and feelings of love or hate...
Have good time during Christmas and New Year, already 2008 !
I don’t care too much about Christmas and New Year, still I thank God that He was born one day, in Israel, in order to save us.
And Christmas means the mass for Christ birth, so I will not be going to a mass ???
But anyway, I don’t know why, it is a nice time this time of the year, and more people seem to be a little more happier…
The Lord bless you and your family if you have one.
Marcel |
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Friday, December 21, 2007
(8 1/2) IF YOU'RE SURE YOU SEE, YOU CAN'T SEE.
It would be wise to understand, if you are a reader of this, to read only the words I am writing and try to grasp the simple meaning. I have waited 43 years to relay this story, which altered my life forever and was a central cause in my radical behavior that followed my split from Tony Alamo. I by no means am the only one who suffered from things done by Tony, but this is my story and the followers of the Alamo's did not materialize till well after these occurrences. It is too easy to read into this what you want to believe. I am going to great lengths to accurately lay out what transpired. I make no other claims than the ones I write. There will be no hidden intentions to imply anything not stated clearly by me as I write this. There will be things that I say which will be difficult, at best to grasp, without supposing that something has been implied by the mere reporting of my recollections. I realize there is great interest, by some, in the office meeting spoken of in the past by Tony Alamo. I have already said that there were only 3 people in that office. Tony, me and an investor. There was no press, no movie stars, no nothing other than the three of us. My version of this precise moment in time, will be so far removed from what has been stated by Tony, that once you read it you might not be so glad to have to try and explain it to yourselves and each other. Try and remember that I had to live with this moment, which was not easy, from then till now. It was the day that changed my life forever and caused me to reject outright anything and everything that came out of Tony Alamo's mouth, from that day untill now. What I did after that day probably only occurred because of that day. I have been left to wonder for over 40 years what might of happened to me, if that day had never happened.
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Even more cryptic  |
saved_21570
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Posted From: 72.148.187.22
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dyann,
Definitely a cliff hanger. |
saved_21570
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Posted From: 72.148.187.22
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Bobby,
I appreciate you being strait forward and honest in your testimony of what happened.
I don't claim to know the depth of what happened, especially with the sick kid. It may have been as you said, adrenaline, or it may have been a miracle. I don't know.
I knew a Tony that was quite different at one time, but there were certain parts of his nature that never really changed. That is what I am mainly commenting on.
I believe in just telling the truth . Let the chips fall, as they say. Your story is fascinating.
Tom Alford |
mixter1
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Posted From: 76.214.20.237
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I posted this question in the comments section Bobby's blog site-"Was this jewish investor a help for you at all? I am wondering if this man was another ruse, victim, or accomplice of Tony A?" |
mixter1
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Posted From: 76.214.20.237
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Anonymous said...
Reading your posts, I am filled with so much sadness for you; a talented, impressionable young man who coincidentally gets involved with a psychopathic shyster
There are many of us reading this who want you to know we are sorry
December 22, 2007 5:46 AM
Anonymous said...
Was this jewish investor a help for you at all? I am wondering if this man was another ruse, victim, or accomplice of Tony A?
December 22, 2007 10:41 AM
bobby jameson said...
Message from Bobby Jameson,
I would like to thank you for posting this comment, because I have truly wondered if anyone even cared how difficult this is for me to write. I take no joy in the fact that I am exposing the truth about another human being and possibly causing people pain. I am out here on my own, as usual, with no place to hide and without the protection of anonymity. I would also like to thank Tom for using his name instead of making a statement about what I write, but being unwilling to say who made the statement. I know that you folks are reposting my work, because you are aware that others may not want this to be publicly known, so it is obvious that I am out here like a sitting duck.
Bobby Jameson
December 22, 2007 1:09 PM
Jameson-www.myspace.com/ibobbyjameson
I Bet these little creatures are layen on the static
BAD!! BAD!!! SMITE!!! SMITE!!!!
www.myspace.com/alamoministries
THE REAL POWERS OF EVIL!! |
dyann
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Posted From: 12.72.150.112
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Awesome repost, Mix.
As soon as I have time to "surf" I'll add a post to Bobby's site and SIGN MY NAME.
Maybe if he believes we support him he'll see that at least WE aren't trying to exploit him like so many others have. |
mixter1
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(part 9) THE OFFICE, THE MEETING, THE END
Tony's position was always, "Let me do the dirty work and the business." He kept me away from everything by playing to my one true weakness, which was, "you are the star. You are untouchable. I'll deal with these people because I know how they think and what they want." I pretty much went along with that, believing I was a star. He never told me anything about what he was doing when I wasn't around and I was too inexperienced at the time to demand that kind of cooperation from him. It was Tony and me for sure, but with Tony always taking the lead when it came to deals and money. But the day came, when one of Tony's deals required my willing participation with him to accomplish it. Tony set up a meeting in Beverly Hills with an investor and he told me I had to go with him and meet the guy. I agreed to go not suspecting that my entire world would be turned upside down by the end of that particular day. Prior to the actual meeting, I have no recollection of how I got there. I don't remember whether I went with Tony or met him there. I recall vividly being with Tony as we entered the building where the meeting took place. It was on a corner, south of Wilshire Blvd., but i don't recall the exact streets. There was a set of steps going in, maybe 3 or 4 steps to the entrance. No one was with us when we went into the office and no one but the person we were meeting was there when we met him. The three of us were the only ones there. The man was kind of short, a little overweight and balding. He was friendly and smoking a cigar. He appeared to be jewish, and I don't mean this in a belittling way, he just appeared to be a jewish guy from Beverly Hills, pretty typical. His office was pleasant but not lavish. It was one large room, maybe 40 by 25 feet. At the far end of the room was a desk and chair where the man went, sat down and faced us. |
mixter1
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Part 9). Cont..
At the far end of the room was a desk and chair where the man went, sat down and faced us. I don't remember if the Billboard ads were up on the wall, but it's possible. I stayed at the opposite end of the room and sat in a chair a few feet from where we came in. I didn't know what to do so I just sat there trying to look like a star. Tony stood in the middle of the room between the man's desk and my chair. I don't recall what was said because Tony and the guy were going back and forth for a while. During this exchange, Tony took a particular stance in the middle of the room, which is hard to explain without sounding like I'm joking, which I'm not, but it kind of looked like a bad impersonation of Elvis Presley. Tony stretched out one arm and pointed at me and uttered out loud, "That is Jesus Christ and if you, now pointing his other arm and finger at the guy, do not give him $50,000 he will point his finger at you and you will die!" I looked over at the man just in time to see that his face looked frozen. His jaw fell open and his cigar just kind of rolled out onto his desk. Other than that he didn't move a muscle, but stared at Tony in disbelief, who was still standing, with his arms stretched out in the middle of the room. I could not believe what was happening. I had no way of knowing this was coming and had no way of dealing with it now that it was there. I remember staring at the floor trying to decide what to do. I just stood up, didn't say anything and walked out the door as fast as I could. I reached the sidewalk and kind of walked around in little circles hoping that Tony would come out and tell me it was all a joke and that everything was ok. In a few minutes Tony did come out the door and down the steps toward me. "Why did you say that Tony," I pleaded, and stood waiting for some rational explanation to what I had just witnessed. "Because it's the truth," he said, looking right at me. I stared at him in a second wave of disbelief and was devastated by his response, knowing fully at that moment my world had just ended. "No it isn't Tony, no it isn't." |
mixter1
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Posted From: 76.214.20.237
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This post is what I use. Its more official. http://bobbyjameson.blogspot.com |
dyann
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Posted From: 12.72.150.232
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WELL? Did Bobby get the 50G or not?
Nothing here sounds very different from the Tony we know. |
mixter1
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Posted From: 76.214.20.237
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Tony was the last to leave, so, I really doubt it there Dyann. Tony must never have considered that this day would arrive. He is setting up the excuse of why he cannot pay Bobby. He wants the investor to pay cash up front. Business is seldom done this way. Tony must want it to fall apart, while telling Bobby some bunk as to why he cannot pay him. Thats my guess. |
mixter1
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*********** 9 1/2 NOW WHAT DO I DO? by Bobby Jameson ***********
I had already received a letter from Andrew Loog Oldham in England, who was the producer of The Rolling Stones at that time in 1964, but I had not responded to it until after the last incident with Alamo. I had grown wary of Tony over time, but now I was afraid of him. I thought he'd completely flipped out after what he'd said in the office and to me afterwards on the sidewalk outside. As I mentioned earlier, Peter Caine was the photographer on most of the later pictures used in Billboard. He had also become my close personal friend and I relied on him heavily, once I knew I had to get away from Tony. The letter from England, was an offer by Oldham of sorts, that basically stated, "If you ever get to London I'd be interested in working with you." My previous disregard to his invitation now looked like my chance to leave America and get as far away from Tony as I could. I believed and still do, that had I stayed, Tony would have tried and possibly succeeded, in conning me into believing everything could be worked out and we could go on. I didn't want to stick around and find out, so I implored Peter to find someway to get me to England. I had no idea what to expect from Tony once he knew I wasn't going to talk to him. I avoided all contact with him and kept a constant eye out for him. I new Tony believed his golden egg was being stolen from him and he wasn't about to let that happen. His position was, that I was his property, because he had made me into something of value, but after the office trip I was convinced that he was capable of just about anything. I had no money, but I was still living with Lois, the ex wife of Gordon Gessler, the guy Tony had conned into backing the Billboard campaign. My life was like a hurricane and the only way to live in it was in the calm of the eye of the storm. Everything outside of that was madness. This meant that all my energy was directed at one goal. Get out of here before something really bad happens. Tony had no contract with me, another flaw in his thinking, so he couldn't legally force me to do anything. This is why I was able to walk away from him in 1964 and there wasn't anything he could do about it. He had never paid me, as I've stated, so I wasn't suddenly going to be without money, hell I never had any to begin with, again another flaw in the character of Tony Alamo. No leverage! He always managed to chase people away, without having some sort of leverage to get them back. As weeks went by I kept hearing things about how Tony was not going to let people steal me away from him, now that I was the star he'd made etc. The constant reports of these kinds of things just kept me on edge and I in return put pressure on everyone around me to get me the hell out of LA and away from this crazy ••••••• illegitimate child(Really!!! -Mix).
Posted by bobby jameson |
modesto
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Posted From: 76.209.129.202
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That story jogs my memory.I heard this version of the office story many years ago.I can't remember where,"Rolling Stone",some other article from the eighties maybe, possibly from Chris (Susan's daughter), just can't remember where but I did hear it before. |
dyann
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Posted From: 12.72.150.83
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On his blogspot:
bobby jameson said...
I would like to wish everyone a Merry Christmas and thank those who took time to comment on this particular part. It has always been strange for me to recall it, because I just couldn't explain it to myself.
Bobby Jameson
December 25, 2007 7:34 PM
*** Aw, it must have been more than frightening... I can see how his only thought was "how to escape Tony Alamo"... Now THAT rings a bell! *L* |
dyann
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Hmmm,
A room full of at least 2 witnesses with opposing views of your Elmer Gantry Style "Conversion Story". I would have at least had the foresight to invent my conversion all alone in my closet!
But then I'm not the only brainchild brighter than Bernie Bazzar Hoffman. |
mixter1
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Posted From: 76.214.20.237
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Modesto,
I remember also. I heard it was "The Rolling Stone". In addition to that I believe TASA changed their names: him from Marcus Abad, she from Edith Horn. Then after they married.
Also of note, Susan was said to pose as a missionary and con churches out of money. Tony was "A flim-flam promo man". No one had never heard of. Don't think I'll find the article online but the info is out there. |
jackrussell
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Posted From: 70.126.185.30
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The early days in the foundation was known to us all that Tony 'was' a bad guy, he admitted that, as were many of us from a sordid past. We did not ask of each other the details, unless something was volunteered, as this past life was supposed to be repented of, forgiven and washed away in Gods' sea(see), and a new creature in Christ Jesus were we.
What would be expected though, that if any conversation hit upon ones past that the recollection would be truthful and without embellishment. In Tonys' case his recount of his past was full of lies, proving an ongoing pattern of ulterior motivations and insincerity, and lack of repentance, and perhaps Tony sluffed this off to the umbrella of scripture 'deceiving but yet true' to his misapplication of a twisted type of justification only he could understand. |
mixter1
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I would like to know how long T&S were involved before 1966. How did that really happen. They got married in Tiajuana when? Must have been before Los Vegas(They married 2 times there). Jesus was Susan's influence. Carlos Avenue. Cathy, Edd M., Tony & Susan. Tony: pot and drugs. See where I'm going here? TALAMO records-1964. Tony was scamming and smoking dope. He met Edd when? I think Tony was getting dope from Edd at one time. Tony must have owned the dope house.
OK. During 1966-1969 what was going on???
To be honest I think Susan introduced the Jesus idea to Tony. Tony used(abused) it on Bobby. |
heynow
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Posted From: 71.140.102.208
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Good question Mix, What was going on during 1966-1969? I think there are more questions than answers at this point. Let me do a little name dropping. After all I live in Los Angeles and celebrities are all over the place here. About 1992 I just happened to be a parking lot and I spotted Casey Kasem walking to his MBZ. I remembered tony used to say he knew Casey Kasem and so forth. I said "Hey, aren't you Casey Kasem?" He stopped and said he was. I asked him if he knew tony Alamo. Casey smiled and said, "OH yess. I remember Tony. He cut a pretty wide swathe there for awhile." Then Casey quickly added, "I knew him but I never socialized with him." Then he got in is car and left. Sometime around 1997 I saw Pat Boone at church. I know tony used to talk about Pat Boone. I asked Pat Boone if he knew Tony. Pat Boone said he did but, didn't seem like he wanted to talk about it. I changed the subject. Pat Boone seemed like a heck of a nice guy and will talk to anyone that wants to talk to him.
Now for a tony quote. I remember tony talking about Bobby Jameson. It might have been in the spec house with a group or maybe at a prayer meeting. I was wondering if anybody remembers this. I am not trying to give tony any credibility, Trust ME. Tony claimed Bobby Jameson got on top of a roof. I think somewhere like Hollywood Blvd. and threatened to jump off if tony would not come meet with him. Apparantly there was a crowd gathering. Tony claimed that Bobby said he was Jesus and Tony was God his father. If tony did not come he would jump. Tony claimed at that point he was notified and refused to meet with Bobby. Bobby jumped and broke his feet.
Does anyone remember tony telling this story???
Regarding the 1966-1969 timeline. There probably are some people that would be able to give us some info. Cathy Seay, Tom G., or Chris. |
razzor9
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Posted From: 69.108.82.163
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Yep, I remember, it happened. Bobby broke his ankles, at least that is what the news papers reported. There was a pic of him. There was a pic of him on the tower, it was a movie theater. He climb up on the tower and jumped. Some one got the newspaper and brought it to Cresant Hgts (I think it was Cresant Hgts) When Tony saw the paper he thought it was very funny and laughed alot, and said what a joke Bobby J. is. |
mixter1
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Posted From: 76.214.20.237
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Razzor9,
Thats cold. That's Tony.
When was this. You know the year? |
modesto
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Posted From: 76.209.128.90
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I heard about the jumping off the tower thing too,can't remember where.The one about first Susan and Chris going around getting money from churches then Tony and Sue doing it I heard from Chris in the late 70's or early 80's.She also said she heard Susan tell Tony before the Foundation started "we could make a fortune off all these hippies out in the streets".That was about the same time Chris told me about Susan getting "snocked" on beer after services at Crescent Heights.
I wonder if Casey Kasem really remembered Tony that well or if he was familiar with his(Tony's)infamy as a cult leader who said he knew him(Casey)then tried to reconstruct his memory of his knowledge of and relationship with Tony, which really didn't exist(older folks often do this sort of thing to try to cover up their real or imagined dementia).I seem to recall some business dealings going on with Pat Boone in the 70's along with Gary Paxton and some of those folks.Sorry,I just don't buy the idea that Tony "Cut a pretty wide swathe" in .A. or anywhere else until the Foundation started, he needed the "Bakes" money for that.I'm certainly open to the concept that I could be wrong about that, but I just don't think so. |
mixter1
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