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Author Message   alanb Intermediate Member Username: alanb Post Number: 247 Registered: 11-2006 Posted From: 97.76.45.50 Posted on Friday, October 19, 2007 - 10:40 am:        I'm starting a new thread with the links for the article. The other thread is getting bogged down with comments, some good, and some bama-nible. Since SPLC asks media and others to check this site out, I am putting the links back in a new thread where people can get to them easily (Message edited by AlanB on October 19, 2007)   alanb Intermediate Member Username: alanb Post Number: 248 Registered: 11-2006 Posted From: 97.76.45.50 Posted on Friday, October 19, 2007 - 10:42 am:        The original article: http://www.splcenter.org/intel/intelreport/article.jsp?aid=810   alanb Intermediate Member Username: alanb Post Number: 249 Registered: 11-2006 Posted From: 97.76.45.50 Posted on Friday, October 19, 2007 - 10:43 am:        The article with audio snipets: http://www.splcenter.org/intel/intelreport/article.jsp?pid=1443   alanb Intermediate Member Username: alanb Post Number: 250 Registered: 11-2006 Posted From: 97.76.45.50 Posted on Friday, October 19, 2007 - 2:03 pm:        The blog site for comments: http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2007/10/16/bad-week-for-alamo-ministries/   saved_21570 Intermediate Member Username: saved_21570 Post Number: 394 Registered: 1-2006 Posted From: 72.148.187.22 Posted on Friday, October 19, 2007 - 6:56 pm:        There are two things in the wonderful article Susie Buchannan wrote, that are really haunting to me. The first is Jael's testimony that "Her memories of that night are detailed" — the sound of the air conditioner, the texture of the purple velvet curtains, the red numbers on the clock, the ornateness of a bedside lamp, the way Alamo licked his teeth as he paused over her body before shouting, "The blood of the Lord Jesus Christ is against you, Satan! Thus saith the Lord: 'She is mine!'" I can feel in my soul, Tony Alamo rejecting the Holy Ghost conviction, right up until the very act. The other one is from Hassan, ""Tony Alamo is power-hungry, deluded, paranoid and exploitative, certainly as far as what he's doing with young girls," says Hassan. "I don't know if law enforcement is either corrupt or [too] nervous to pursue him."" Page 4-- http://www.splcenter.org/intel/intelreport/article.jsp?pid=1445   dyann Intermediate Member Username: dyann Post Number: 280 Registered: 9-2007 Posted From: 12.72.152.125 Posted on Friday, October 19, 2007 - 7:20 pm:        Local law enforcement is too politically motivated to persue him, Saved. That's why Teflon Tony has to be gone after by bigger, badder, more clout carrying thugs like the FBI or State Department or Human Rights activists or Homeland Security, or an empathetic attorney with more gumption than sense, pro-bono. And God help those in authority who stood by and let Tony have his way on their watch! Remember this: The Darkness flees when Light enters the room. And boy howdy are we shining that light. All over the place!   modesto Intermediate Member Username: modesto Post Number: 333 Registered: 4-2007 Posted From: 76.209.135.178 Posted on Saturday, October 20, 2007 - 9:12 am:        Thugs with more gumption than sense?Hmm.   jackrussell Intermediate Member Username: jackrussell Post Number: 339 Registered: 8-2006 Posted From: 70.126.185.30 Posted on Saturday, October 20, 2007 - 9:42 am:        Another organization that may be worth noting for the cause is 'HUMAN RIGHTS WATCH.ORG' Alan, Dyann or with computer search skills might want to look into this for contact info. I recently read a scathing review they documented about the torture that is conducted in the prison system nationally along with the corruption and duplicity in the DOC. They do reports on abuses internationally as well. Attention toward the Jeffs/Utah/Alamo/polygamy-pedophilia could be up their alley. Do not know if they have done anything along those lines with that or the priest/altar boy affairs. The aricle is called 'Hard Time' reviewed by Jared Taylor along with 'No Escape: Male Rape in US Prisons' by Joanne Mariner Bill Levy told me once that if you asked anybody around(away from the immediate vicinity of the Alamo residences) if they ever heard of Tony Alamo, almost unanimously, you would hear a no. We mean to change all that. Tony has always wanted to be famous. And that he will, but with an 'in in front of it. The infamous Tony Alamo should go down in history reknown for the dastardly deeds he has done, no longer covered up. A keen message for all, of what not to become during your walk upon this earth.   wild_dream Intermediate Member Username: wild_dream Post Number: 170 Registered: 4-2007 Posted From: 76.172.220.122 Posted on Saturday, October 20, 2007 - 10:46 am:        Amen, Alamo has become "a provervb among the people". In history he will be known perhaps as the biggest Judas in history, since Iscariat himself, having known the Lord and walked with the Lord, and then turned away, to actually rape the Lord's body so many times over.   dyann Intermediate Member Username: dyann Post Number: 281 Registered: 9-2007 Posted From: 12.72.149.231 Posted on Saturday, October 20, 2007 - 1:53 pm:        Jack, Get out of my head! I actually am a card carrying member of Amnesty International and am slightly aware of the Human Rights Organization. In fact, I've been trying to champion the Human Trafficking dilema we have all over the world. I will definately look into that .org. Why don't I have your email address? dyann@att.net   modesto Intermediate Member Username: modesto Post Number: 334 Registered: 4-2007 Posted From: 76.209.135.68 Posted on Sunday, October 21, 2007 - 2:08 am:        So,torture is regularly conducted in prisons in every state,the F.B.I.,the State Dept. and Homeland Security are thugs and Tony ought best to be addressed by an overly zealous lawyer who isn't exactly the brightest bulb in the closet but is willing to take him on for what he/she regards as the public good?   jackrussell Intermediate Member Username: jackrussell Post Number: 341 Registered: 8-2006 Posted From: 70.126.185.30 Posted on Sunday, October 21, 2007 - 10:58 am:        Johnny M, Wish there was a better way, to separate those really needed to be from the general population of society, due to their destructiveness of it, but........TA is a stellar candidate to be away from, imho. I think probably 80% of those confined should not be, rather supervised work release would do just fine. 'Member the election when Dukakis was running and he got lefty smeared with the Willie Horton(sic) work release travesty? That incident, and its publicity, empowered legislation to ramp up confinements and expand an already draconian system. California, round about then came out with three strikes. Extra, extra, read all about it! So certain campaigning, during an upcoming election year, if politically correct, goes a much longer way, in the massive publicity that can be dispersed to the voting public. It was Lee (somebody) from the Carolinas that was the Republicans' minister of propaganda, er, I mean campaign manager when demo Dukakis run against G. Bush Sr. He was rather ruthless, died of a brain aneurism not too long ago. It is my contention that those that make it a practise to do unsavory things to children, do need to be confined or watched all the time, to prevent this. Cause it is SO unacceptable. The early polls are suggesting Hillary to run against Gulliani. Which camp would have a better outlook for our issue? Later on, exacting on who the campaign manager would be, course now all is speculation. Just things we should be thinking about, those ducks in the row kinda stuff. And do not even care if the Alamo groupees read about some of this strategizing. The wheels of justice turn slowly, but turn they will, and stir up those that are in hot water! Alamo has been at the boiling point for how many years! 'Bout ready to blow a gasket 'fore long. my 2 cents   jackrussell Intermediate Member Username: jackrussell Post Number: 343 Registered: 8-2006 Posted From: 70.126.185.30 Posted on Sunday, October 21, 2007 - 1:01 pm:        Some of Alamos own words from the SPLC. Just gotta love that radio show! "Alamo argues that girls should marry once they start menstruating — even if they are as young as 10. In one September 2006 broadcast, he put it like this: "God impregnated Mary when she was about 11 years old. So the government idiots, the people that don't know the Bible, what you're going to have to do is get a hold of God now, you're going to have to get up there and 'cuff him and send him to prison for statutory rape." Since Tony thinks that he is God and as God can do a young Marry thing on anyone whom he pleases, I could not agree with him more! The government idiots that don't think he is God should certainly cuff him, book 'um Dan-o, and five-o his butt to prison! Alamo is so smart! Thinks all the government are idiots. He says he eats sewage like them for breakfast. Tony Alamo eats sewage for breakfast??   bintheredunthat Member Username: bintheredunthat Post Number: 68 Registered: 8-2007 Posted From: 65.6.192.147 Posted on Sunday, October 21, 2007 - 7:33 pm:        The Bible doesn't give Mary's age. But it is far more likely that she was much older than 11 since her close cousin Elizabeth was well past the age of child bearing. It is possible but very rare that cousins are 40 or so years apart in age. This is just another case of Alamo making up stuff in the name of God to justify his filthy criminal behavior.   worm_can_opener Intermediate Member Username: worm_can_opener Post Number: 263 Registered: 7-2007 Posted From: 69.154.242.194 Posted on Sunday, October 21, 2007 - 8:48 pm:        So that's what the preaching pedophile has been saying ? that GOD is a pedophile, also ?? a child- molester ?? what a work of art that toe-knee ugh-lame-oh is.   saved_21570 Intermediate Member Username: saved_21570 Post Number: 395 Registered: 1-2006 Posted From: 72.148.187.22 Posted on Sunday, October 21, 2007 - 10:23 pm:        Quotes from the SPLC Tony Alamo tape named "Puberty and Child Sex" Tony Alamo supposedly quotes a Scripture saying. God says, "let the young women marry." Then he says "Amen?" and the background chorus of wives all say "Amen." He repeats this Scripture at least 3 times. This is blatant heresy. I address this just in case someone may actually doubt it. What Tony is referring to is 1 Tim ch.5. The Apostle Paul is addressing an issue in the church, about which widows should be taken care of by the church. Verse 11 But the younger widows refuse: for when they have begun to wax wanton against Christ, they will marry; it continues to conclude...verse 14 I will therefore that the younger women marry, bear children, guide the house, give none occasion to the adversary to speak reproachfully. Go read it. It is only referring to the widows. To purposely bastardize the Holy Word of God, in order to justify their own vile perversions is blasphmey. God himself will add to them every plauge written in the Book and take away their name out of the Book of Life. Thus saith the Lord. Also, Tony Alamo says that Joeseph was a polygamist! This is a paraphase, "Most people who are real strong in the Lord (not the ones who read the Bible and believe it) say that Mary was younger than 11, way before puberty, when God told Joeseph to marry her." Then he goes on to say Joseph was going to have sex with her but didn't, and that he had other wives and children with them! Tony Alamo, not afraid to speak evil of dignities. Jude 1:8 Likewise also these filthy dreamers defile the flesh, despise dominion, and speak evil of dignities... :10 But these speak evil of those things which they know not: but what they know naturally, as brute beasts, in those things they corrupt themselves... :13 Raging waves of the sea, foaming out their own shame; wandering stars, to whom is reserved the blackness of darkness for ever.   wild_dream Intermediate Member Username: wild_dream Post Number: 172 Registered: 4-2007 Posted From: 76.172.220.122 Posted on Monday, October 22, 2007 - 8:32 am:        Hopefully enough of the rest of the body of Christ around the world will be repulsed enough by this creep Alamo as we are and will rise up along with us in our outcry for justice against Alamo. I pray for that to happen. After talking with d eddy I realized that what happened with Warren Jeffs is that most of the Mormons ended poligamy years ago and became outraged at the bad name Jeffs was giving to their group, so then enough of them became outraged, and only then was enough pressure put on the autourities to cause justice, arrest and prosecution, to be carried out. I invite and pray and ask for eveyone and anyone to join in the outcry for justice aqainst Alamo. When enough people hear of his crimes, and are sickened about it as we are, then justice will be served.   wilma Advanced Member Username: wilma Post Number: 637 Registered: 1-2006 Posted From: 72.185.141.125 Posted on Tuesday, October 23, 2007 - 11:59 pm:        I just noticed that the factual SPLC expose' article written by Susy Buchanan is now on the front page of www.factnet.org Check it out!   wilma Advanced Member Username: wilma Post Number: 638 Registered: 1-2006 Posted From: 72.185.141.125 Posted on Thursday, October 25, 2007 - 10:00 pm:        Has anyone checked out the www.tonyalamonews.com website lately? I just did and there are a bunch more blogs listed on there that talk about what a freaking nut job tony alamo is. They are all referencing the SPLC article. someone else told me they listened to a recent radio program and tony is saying that the california wild fires are God's punishment on Calif because people in calif are harassing his so-called church. tony is just a total wacko!! He is so delusional, he thinks the whole world revolves around him. Does anyone remember back in 1991 when he said that George Bush sr. went to war against Saddam to take the focus off raiding the property in Nashville and Georgia Ridge. tony is a legend in his own mind. sg   bystander Junior Member Username: bystander Post Number: 47 Registered: 11-2006 Posted From: 207.171.226.34 Posted on Friday, October 26, 2007 - 12:42 am:        Wilma, On that same radio broadcast, Tony said that God is going to send an earthquake or something else equally as devastating to southern California because they are against Tony. He said he is predicting this and all his predictions always come to pass. He never misses according to him. But, even more disturbing-he said while praying, and I quote: "And in the public schools they are handing out condoms to little children. And then they are saying it's wrong for people to have sexual relations with them. Well they ought to make up their mind Father. Of course it's wrong to have sex without marriage, but they don't even bring that up." I guess that is the way he justifies himself. He always "marries" them first to save them from a life of fornication.   jackrussell Intermediate Member Username: jackrussell Post Number: 344 Registered: 8-2006 Posted From: 70.126.185.30 Posted on Friday, October 26, 2007 - 10:55 am:        The center of his own universe. Sooo spiritual,lol!! Tony Alamo was spewing similar correlative heretical anecdotes 36 YEARS AGO! Frozen in time! Least he is consistent. Consistently grandeur delusional, self absorbed, diarhea mouthed, demon controlled miscreant. my 2 cents   heynow Intermediate Member Username: heynow Post Number: 394 Registered: 12-2006 Posted From: 71.130.210.41 Posted on Friday, October 26, 2007 - 6:10 pm:        Wait a minute. tony says he is sending an earthquake to Southern California? I am not sure if that will be wise. Unless he sells 13136 and the other Southern California properties. Am I missing something here?   saved_21570 Intermediate Member Username: saved_21570 Post Number: 398 Registered: 1-2006 Posted From: 72.148.187.22 Posted on Friday, October 26, 2007 - 11:21 pm:        http://www.splcenter.org/intel/intelreport/article.jsp?pid=1443 Direct quote from Tony Alamo, "The bible is full of stories where God commanded young women to get married, and when they start their periods they are women, according to God's Word. This is something I believe very much is the Word of God." He then adds, "When a women reaches puberty she is able to be married." Now we know the Word of God is unchangeable and infallible. Therfore, I would like to know, how Tony Alamo views a five year old getting married and having children. Come on now, I know some of you Tony Alamo supporters are screening this. Do you justify a five you old getting married if they have begun to menstruate? Tony says that it is the "Word of God"! Is Tony lying to you? Why don't you ask him for the Scripture and verse that he is quoting? Didn't Tony say to check him out with the Scriptures? ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- This is the worlds youngest documented childbirth. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lina_Medina The mother was five years old. Presumably four when she concieved. BTW- She was 8 monthes old when she began to menstruate. Just to be sure I checked out the facts on snopes. http://www.snopes.com/pregnant/medina.asp It lists many newpaper sites that confirm the birth also. Another, BTW- Her father was originally arrested for rape but it could not be proven. Another site: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_youngest_birth_mothers This is a list of unusually young mothers, ranging from 5 to 11 years. Almost all were raped. None was considered a normal age to be married. Even dating back to the 1800's. Don't you feel ashamed for defending these wicked and ungodly acts? What are you going to say? Don't you think it is time to get out of there? How long will you honor Tony Alamo above the Lord? --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ec 8:3 "stand not in an evil thing;" Isaiah 55:7 "Let the wicked forsake his way, and the unrighteous man his thoughts: and let him return unto the LORD, and he will have mercy upon him; and to our God, for he will abundantly pardon."   saved_21570 Intermediate Member Username: saved_21570 Post Number: 399 Registered: 1-2006 Posted From: 72.148.187.22 Posted on Friday, October 26, 2007 - 11:50 pm:        Interesting information. Arkansas, age of consent is 16 yrs. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- What is Statutory Rape? It’s a crime committed when an adult has sexual intercourse with a minor. Who is a minor? Anyone under the age of 18, (or 16; check this list and the current laws in your state.) What can happen if an adult has sex with a minor? Even if he is your boyfriend? If reported, that person may be arrested, tried in a court of law, and sent to jail. What happens if the sex is consensual and one is a minor? Even if they both agree to have sex, it is still statutory rape. Q. What can happen if an adult has sex with a minor? Even if he is your boyfriend and even if your parents allow it? A. If reported, that person can be arrested, tried in a court of law, and sent to jail. Q. What happens if the sex is consensual and one is a minor? A. Even if they both agree to have sex, it is still statutory rape. What can happen if an adult has sex with a minor? Even if he is your boyfriend and even if your parents allow it? A. If reported, that person may be arrested, tried in a court of law, and sent to jail. Q. What happens if the sex is consensual and one is a minor? A. Even if they both agree to have sex, it is still statutory rape. Don’t go to jail for not waiting to have sex. It’s not worth it. You do not want to go to jail! I know its hard to wait, but wait. http://www.coolnurse.com/consent.htm State police, I imagine you are well aware of these laws?   jackrussell Intermediate Member Username: jackrussell Post Number: 345 Registered: 8-2006 Posted From: 70.126.185.30 Posted on Saturday, October 27, 2007 - 1:39 am:        Alamo knows all about statutory rape. He got arrested for it back in the early 50's. Maybe someone could provide that link from some archives if found. Alamo got in a good deal of trouble as a Juvie, and joined the Navy to get away from it all, perhaps. Don't think for a minute Alamo believes half the hogwash he spews. He is just very spiteful, and mad at God, just like the devil.   wild_dream Intermediate Member Username: wild_dream Post Number: 175 Registered: 4-2007 Posted From: 76.172.220.122 Posted on Saturday, October 27, 2007 - 11:56 am:        I think that what I am rightously indignant about, and most of us, is that Alamo took everything we stood for for years ago, eveything holy and rightous and good, the toiling in the fields for years with literally blood, sweat, and tears, and turned it into perversion, destroying the church, and turning it into the disgrace it truly has become.   weaned_child Intermediate Member Username: weaned_child Post Number: 111 Registered: 4-2006 Posted From: 193.200.150.167 Posted on Saturday, October 27, 2007 - 12:14 pm:        yeah me too   saved_21570 Intermediate Member Username: saved_21570 Post Number: 400 Registered: 1-2006 Posted From: 72.148.187.22 Posted on Sunday, October 28, 2007 - 11:46 am:        This was first posted by PACA on topix. It is good to remember just how perverse this man can be. THUS SAITH, TONY ALAMO! --- Program # 330 "Someone who has sex with a 15 yr old is suppose to marry them". "After she menstruates she's a woman". "But the media which is satan's voice keeps saying that's a girl". "Women today by the time they're 15 yrs old have probably had sex 1,000's of times". "I've found out from parents that their daughters have started having sex at 6 yrs old and had it everyday, sometimes 2 or 3 times a day". "The government condones child sex but they don't condone them to get married". "They should be able to marry at 13,14,15 yrs old and in some cases 12 yrs old if they've started menstruating". "Isn't there freedom of religion? Where's the government get off interfering with religion"? "If they're menstruating they're women". "Why would God allow them to menstruate at 10, 11, 12, 13 and so on if He didn't want them to have children"? *> With Tony Alamo's logic, the little girl that starts menstruating at 8 months is fair game for his insatiable lust. Program # 369 "People say it's a horrible sin for a young woman to marry and a young woman is one who reaches puberty". "They say that's evil. "This world government condemns marriage". "They call these people children that are 12,13,14,15 yrs old". "They condemn marriage and they condemn polygamy". "No where does it say no polygamist shall enter Heaven". (Message edited by saved_21570 on October 28, 2007)   raining Advanced Member Username: raining Post Number: 573 Registered: 1-2006 Posted From: 69.106.190.2 Posted on Thursday, December 06, 2007 - 12:34 am:        This article is great ! I'll bet Tony phoney had a really bad week when this hit the fan!   itistrue New member Username: itistrue Post Number: 5 Registered: 1-2008 Posted From: 76.251.148.76 Posted on Saturday, January 05, 2008 - 9:09 am:        This spl magazine also will label you who are true christian,as hateful people if you preach againest homosexualty and lesbisan.   heynow New member Username: heynow Post Number: 3 Registered: 12-2006 Posted From: 71.140.102.208 Posted on Saturday, January 05, 2008 - 1:16 pm:        itistru, I am not sure if I understand the facts here. Why don't you cut and paste something from the spl magazine. The part that says such things. Include, in your post, the Bible quotes that are against homosexuality and lesbianism. That way we might get an understanding of what you are talking about. I am sure you understand by reading this board, we are not in agreement with tony's lifestyle or the way he preaches. However we all love the Bible. (Message edited by Heynow on January 05, 2008)   itistrue New member Username: itistrue Post Number: 9 Registered: 1-2008 Posted From: 76.251.148.76 Posted on Saturday, January 05, 2008 - 5:28 pm:        Well here is the bible so love the word. Romans 1:26For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature: 27And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet. 28And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;   itistrue New member Username: itistrue Post Number: 10 Registered: 1-2008 Posted From: 76.251.148.76 Posted on Saturday, January 05, 2008 - 5:52 pm:        http://www.splcenter.org/intel/intelreport/article.jsp?aid=522 http://www.splcenter.org/news/item.jsp?aid=99 http://www.splcenter.org/intel/intelreport/article.jsp?sid=327 They have alot more say in the defence of gay rights,some even become nausiating words. Let me say that God gives them the right,the right to choose right from wrong and gays also have the right to choose heaven or hell,to choose heaven are on God's terms.   alanb Intermediate Member Username: alanb Post Number: 267 Registered: 11-2006 Posted From: 97.76.44.82 Posted on Saturday, January 05, 2008 - 6:25 pm:        Ok , itistrue, I now see you for the lamo supporter and follower that you are. One of Tony's henchmen. NICE TRY. No more reposnses from me and probably most others.   itistrue New member Username: itistrue Post Number: 12 Registered: 1-2008 Posted From: 76.183.141.194 Posted on Saturday, January 05, 2008 - 7:03 pm:        I do not support the allamos,you,or your magazine,God alone gave the gift, not the allamos,not you or,your homosexual magazine.   heynow New member Username: heynow Post Number: 4 Registered: 12-2006 Posted From: 71.140.102.208 Posted on Sunday, January 06, 2008 - 12:51 am:        Itistru, Just a few questions for clarification. Are you saying you DON'T support tony alamo? Do you support tony alamo's lifestyle? Are you a current foundation member? Do you support (or endorse) the alamo church? Are you saying these scriptures from the Bible state homosexuality and lesbianism lifestyles are wrong?   bintheredunthat Member Username: bintheredunthat Post Number: 75 Registered: 8-2007 Posted From: 65.6.192.147 Posted on Sunday, January 06, 2008 - 4:03 am:        Itistrue is probably les wood he says the same kind of stuff and notice he says he doesn't support allamos. By misspelling the name he thinks he is cleverly deceiving us into thinking he doesn't support Tony Alamo while at the same time not actually lying. This is a standard cult member tactic to be a deceiver and yet true.   anchored New member Username: anchored Post Number: 7 Registered: 1-2006 Posted From: 71.205.65.52 Posted on Sunday, January 06, 2008 - 7:36 am:        Agree binthere. It's the same rhetoric and combination of spelling correctly, then suddenly inconsistent mispelling. They think that's so clever when it's OBVIOUS deception. By purposely misspelling when they know the correct spelling actually falls into the category of lying, not "deceivers yet true." Tony, who is a known LIAR, has taught all his minions to LIE and then thinking they are justified by that one scripture in II Corinthians. Only people that have something bad and shameful to hide need resort to such tactics. Itistrue/Les Wood (same spirit), if he were a sincere person, would have nothing to hide nor would he find it necessary to resort to any kind of deception. If itistrue were TRUE, he would speak the TRUTH. LOL - allamo - gimme a break.   anchored New member Username: anchored Post Number: 8 Registered: 1-2006 Posted From: 71.205.65.52 Posted on Sunday, January 06, 2008 - 8:11 am:        Here's another thing. Most churches have a program in place that when someone wants to join their church they are invited to an orientation. The doctrine of the church is presented and then you can make your decision based on that as to whether you want to become a member. Do the alamoites do that and tell them that their "pastor" is a polygamist and believes in multiple "wives", in fact, that their "pastor" has underaged "wives" and forces himself on little innocent girls and that their little daughters might end up being one of his victims?? Do they tell the unsuspecting prospects that he believes in beating children until they are bloody and that he believes he should control every aspect of every church member's lives, including where they live, what they eat, when they sleep, when they can come and go, who they marry, how many children they have and who the children live with, and tell them up front how Tony Alamo, their "pastor" plays CHESS with everyone's lives??? Or are they "deceivers, yet true?" I think I'd want to know all these little secrets before I would make a decision to join or not to join Tony Alamo's "church."   modesto New member Username: modesto Post Number: 5 Registered: 4-2007 Posted From: 76.209.128.166 Posted on Sunday, January 06, 2008 - 9:43 am:        G and Btdt, Powerful statements,cutting straight to the heart of the matter and exposing the truth!Thank you!!   dyann New member Username: dyann Post Number: 4 Registered: 12-2007 Posted From: 12.72.149.141 Posted on Sunday, January 06, 2008 - 11:32 am:        Hey "itistrue" I'd like to know who gave you the right to judge your neighbor?????   dyann New member Username: dyann Post Number: 5 Registered: 12-2007 Posted From: 12.72.149.141 Posted on Sunday, January 06, 2008 - 11:39 am:        heynow New member Username: heynow Post Number: 4 Registered: 12-2006 Posted From: 71.140.102.208 Posted on Sunday, January 06, 2008 - 12:51 am: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Itistru, Just a few questions for clarification. Are you saying you DON'T support tony alamo? Do you support tony alamo's lifestyle? Are you a current foundation member? Do you support (or endorse) the alamo church? Are you saying these scriptures from the Bible state homosexuality and lesbianism lifestyles are wrong? Please note: Immediately after heynow's forthright questions, this idiot stopped posting. Typical of ALL Alamo minions who find their way onto this forum. They just can't face their own beliefs/misbeliefs/rhetoric/lies/deceit Way to go heynow, for shining the light on the idiots.   anchored New member Username: anchored Post Number: 9 Registered: 1-2006 Posted From: 71.205.65.52 Posted on Sunday, January 06, 2008 - 1:08 pm:        Anyone out there who might be contemplating moving in the Alamo compound; here's a few more things I forgot to mention. There is no church government, unless you want to consider a third world totalitarian dictatorship a form of church government. Tony Alamo solely controls the finances and makes ALL decisions on every detail of your life and everything about that joint. There is no effective board of directors or balance of power. Tony Alamo is the sole decision maker and his judgment on every matter is the FINAL word. There is absolutely NO balance of power and there is absolutely no accountability on Tony Alamo's actions and behavior. If you need toilet paper, it has to be approved by Tony. If you need medical or dental attention, it's subject to his approval or disapproval. If you have any money, he will come after it by making you feel guilty about having the control over your own money. You will have to get a job and YOUR ENTIRE PAYCHECK MUST BE HANDED OVER TO TONY ALAMO. If you have any valuable material possessions such as cars, TVs, stereos, stock investments, expensive jewelry, coin collections etc., BELIEVE IT, he will come after your treasures. If you have children, you will no longer have the control over your own children. Please know, if you are thinking about moving into that joint, before making your final decision just take into consideration all of the above things that you would be subject to.   itistrue New member Username: itistrue Post Number: 17 Registered: 1-2008 Posted From: 76.251.148.76 Posted on Sunday, January 06, 2008 - 3:30 pm:        I am sorry that I misspelled a word or two,and I really am happy that God does not count spelling as a commanment. I do not support tony alamo or his church,or his life style,tony has some bad doctrine comming out of his mouth and if he is the world pastor he better get it out because the more greater he is as he says,the more accountability he is in what comes out of his mouth and if is bad doctrine and it has on a # of occassions,heritic he can be called Alot of people on this board praise a homosexual,abortion,girl,with girls magazine,and even if they are not a acting vile person,with their praise they show that they have pleasure in them that commit such acts,tony with little girls,splc men with men,tony with heresey false doctrine,splc and its promoters,abortion lesbian,I tell you now they both are sick. Earlyer I went to pic up some people and we went to a church service.Assemblies of God. you can see in peoples actions how bad off they are to blame someone or call someone. I do not believe in tony alamo his church,I do not believe in tony's false doctrineI do not believe in the splc magazine,its viles actions it supports and I do not believe in people that call evil good,or who preaches false doctrine. My house and I believe in and serve the lord. Here is the zeitgeist movie google has it. http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5547481422995115331 (Message edited by itistrue on January 06, 2008)   mix New member Username: mix Post Number: 1 Registered: 1-2008 Posted From: 76.214.6.137 Posted on Sunday, January 06, 2008 - 4:00 pm:        Go away LES WOOD!   dyann New member Username: dyann Post Number: 12 Registered: 12-2007 Posted From: 12.72.150.90 Posted on Monday, January 07, 2008 - 2:02 pm:        There you go preaching and patting yourself on your self-glorified back, LES WOOD! Get out and stay out! In fact, go find some fools who actually WANT to hear what you have to say and start your own Church! Yeah, that's it... and stop HARRASSING US!   no_stoppin_me Intermediate Member Username: no_stoppin_me Post Number: 492 Registered: 1-2006 Posted From: 65.9.64.99 Posted on Tuesday, January 08, 2008 - 6:52 am:        I think Itistrue is Tommy Richards, not Les Wood.   mix New member Username: mix Post Number: 3 Registered: 1-2008 Posted From: 76.214.6.137 Posted on Tuesday, January 08, 2008 - 12:26 pm:        no_stoppin_me Is Tommy Richards from New York or Dallas? I am talking about a general area. This could be anywhere in Texas. You are right. You know more than me. His original IP was NY. Then Dallas. I know about severs but cannot track the computer. This person has either been fired, out of a relationship or marriage. A loner. He also is a coward. It is easy to come out and post. To speak face to face is different. This man cannot witness face to face either. He is a loser.   itistrue New member Username: itistrue Post Number: 20 Registered: 1-2008 Posted From: 76.251.148.76 Posted on Tuesday, January 08, 2008 - 1:11 pm:        splc center,information,splc is a strong supporter of abortion, http://youtube.com/watch?v=-Vh1frrx_-w http://youtube.com/watch?v=THS2zZ4m260&feature=related http://youtube.com/watch?v=7PPamlX4HQ0&feature=related splc thinks that men with men,women with wowen will not have to worry about kids,and the splc thinks that if you mess up and do do the Godly thing and multiply,they scream abort. do you say thanks to someone like that splc? Here is a march that the splc is one of the larger donators. http://youtube.com/watch?v=nvMDs7-d5qo&feature=related Me and my house say we will not praise the splc.   phahrrrt_detector Member Username: phahrrrt_detector Post Number: 98 Registered: 6-2006 Posted From: 85.234.144.215 Posted on Tuesday, January 08, 2008 - 2:28 pm:        hooevr u r itistrue u need 2 taken z d hike und kwick cuz u aint troo & wut u haz NOBUDDY wuntz der hike meister Phahrrrt Detecter   modesto New member Username: modesto Post Number: 6 Registered: 4-2007 Posted From: 76.209.137.56 Posted on Tuesday, January 08, 2008 - 3:18 pm:        itistrue, I certainly don't agree with much of what is said in SPLC magazine either.But then again, I don't agree with much of what I read in "Newsweek" or "The L.A. Times" so what can I say? Please explain why you, being an avowed Christian, would provide a link for people to see "Zeitgeist"?True,it is just a rehashing of the now hackneyed ideas of Jesus as just another "Hero"among the various Sun worshiper motifs down through the ages as well as an equally hackneyed statement of the old John Burch type conspiracy theories but why would you advertise them,weak though they may be?This puzzles me.   itistrue New member Username: itistrue Post Number: 22 Registered: 1-2008 Posted From: 76.251.148.76 Posted on Tuesday, January 08, 2008 - 3:37 pm:        dyann,it is not a right,it is a commanment, a requirement,a have to do. Leviticus 19:15,Ye shall do no unrighteousness in judgment: thou shalt not respect the person of the poor, nor honor the person of the mighty: but in righteousness shalt thou judge thy neighbour. 1 Corinthians 5:12,For what have I to do to judge them also that are without? do not ye judge them that are within? 1 Corinthians 6:2,Do ye not know that the saints shall judge the world? and if the world shall be judged by you, are ye unworthy to judge the smallest matters? 1 Corinthians 6:3,Know ye not that we shall judge angels? how much more things that pertain to this life? 1 Corinthians 6:4,If then ye have judgments of things pertaining to this life, set them to judge who are least esteemed in the church. John 5:30,I can of mine own self do nothing: as I hear, I judge: and my judgment is just; because I seek not mine own will, but the will of the Father which hath sent me. I do not do anything other than bring the Word of God as the book and the Word is Jesus Christ. If Jesus Christ says you are a sinner in his Word,I must keep the commantment and judge you a sinner,now The Word is the Judge and God is the Merciful,so I must keep the Judge and the Merciful happy,(and I do love keeping Them happy),and give you the Judgement,and warning that is inscribed to give. I will show the love of God and keep His commanments, 1 John 5:3,For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous. http://youtube.com/watch?v=EduKNYVBKH8   itistrue New member Username: itistrue Post Number: 23 Registered: 1-2008 Posted From: 76.251.148.76 Posted on Tuesday, January 08, 2008 - 4:01 pm:        I have also shown you the splc sick words and thoughts and I have shown you that video knowing good and well that you would see that there is a great need for people like you and others to stop relying on others and I was praying that you would, 1 Corinthians 16:13,Watch ye, stand fast in the faith, quit you like men, be strong. The man that you are is to hate evil and to serve God even more than you think you can,which only you know what you can and can not do,I am not saying at you are not doing,I am saying that you can,Philippians 4:13,I can do all things through Christ which strengtheneth me. 1 Peter 4:11,If any man speak, let him speak as the oracles of God; if any man minister, let him do it as of the ability which God giveth: that God in all things may be glorified through Jesus Christ, to whom be praise and dominion for ever and ever. Amen. http://youtube.com/watch?v=7PTvr755V8s   modesto New member Username: modesto Post Number: 7 Registered: 4-2007 Posted From: 76.209.137.56 Posted on Tuesday, January 08, 2008 - 4:10 pm:        Mix, I didn't think he was Floridian either but now I'm wondering if they aren't roommates or something.That sort of thing has happened before.They sort of sound alot alike at times.But not always.Odd.   modesto New member Username: modesto Post Number: 8 Registered: 4-2007 Posted From: 76.209.137.56 Posted on Tuesday, January 08, 2008 - 4:31 pm:        I'm not familiar with Tommy Richards but have heard he is a John Birch fan.   no_stoppin_me Intermediate Member Username: no_stoppin_me Post Number: 494 Registered: 1-2006 Posted From: 72.242.140.218 Posted on Tuesday, January 08, 2008 - 5:09 pm:        If you're not familiar with Tommy Richards, click on one of the links that Itistrue posted & you can check him out for yourself. He is a TA-Wannabe for sure. Lots of anti-catholic rhetoric, etc. just like TA likes to spew. He was once a member of the foundation and even pictured in one of TA's "newsletters" years ago.   heynow New member Username: heynow Post Number: 7 Registered: 12-2006 Posted From: 71.140.102.208 Posted on Tuesday, January 08, 2008 - 5:54 pm:        Wait a minute. Could that be "true"? Itistrue said he dosen't support the allamos. He (she??)mispelled it on purpose and he really does support the ALAMO outfit not the ALLAMO church. So, let's get the spelling straightened out here. itistrue: Do you support the alamo church? Are you a member of the alamo church? Do you agree with Tony Alamo? Do you support Tony Alamo? Do you give money to the Alamo church? Do you give money to Tony Alamo? Do you agree with Tony Alamo's lifestyle? Were you ever a member of the Alamo foundation? Did you meet tony alamo? I guess that is enough questions for now. One tip for itistrue: You can cut and paste my questions. That way you won't need to retype them when you answer. Most can be answered yes or no. Also, you can type your posts on yahoo mail and use the spell check. After you have the spelling corrected, then cut and paste your post here. Just trying to help (Message edited by Heynow on January 08, 2008)   itistrue New member Username: itistrue Post Number: 24 Registered: 1-2008 Posted From: 76.251.148.76 Posted on Tuesday, January 08, 2008 - 6:19 pm:        Are you a member of the alamo church? No Do you agree with Tony Alamo? Not on everything Do you support Tony Alamo? No Do you give money to the Alamo church? No Do you give money to Tony Alamo? No Do you agree with Tony Alamo's lifestyle? No Were you ever a member of the Alamo foundation? In Miami beach Did you meet tony alamo? Yes http://youtube.com/watch?v=6Xuh798z-qo   itistrue New member Username: itistrue Post Number: 25 Registered: 1-2008 Posted From: 76.251.148.76 Posted on Tuesday, January 08, 2008 - 6:35 pm:        Luke 3:9,And now also the axe is laid unto the root of the trees: every tree therefore which bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire. http://youtube.com/watch?v=hfZgoZgb3Qo   the_fbi Member Username: the_fbi Post Number: 66 Registered: 11-2005 Posted From: 69.22.219.18 Posted on Tuesday, January 08, 2008 - 7:31 pm:        no_stoppin_me said "I think Itistrue is Tommy Richards, not Les Wood." You think every body on here who dissents against your trash is "Tommy Richards" Now why don't you just admit you threw the grapefruit already?   the_fbi Member Username: the_fbi Post Number: 67 Registered: 11-2005 Posted From: 69.22.219.18 Posted on Tuesday, January 08, 2008 - 7:33 pm:        Furthermore. you should all be spanked with boards for your behavior.   itistrue Junior Member Username: itistrue Post Number: 26 Registered: 1-2008 Posted From: 76.251.148.76 Posted on Tuesday, January 08, 2008 - 9:24 pm:        The splc is one of the groups that support this place. http://youtube.com/watch?v=dJBxdRIQx7Y&feature=related they feel that people who preach againet living a sinful life are not safe to society. The splc would have you to believe that those who preach againest what they deem good,are like nazi germany,they are going to have jews ignorantly sign papers saying that it is a good thing,for the splc knows that most people beleive that no one knows hate groups better and with the jewish federation backing them,it will be alot easyer to acomplish.   heynow New member Username: heynow Post Number: 8 Registered: 12-2006 Posted From: 71.140.102.208 Posted on Tuesday, January 08, 2008 - 10:06 pm:        itwastru, Thanks for answering those questions. What were the issues you and tony did not agree on? Use that spell check. Let me know if you have any questions regarding spell check usage.   itistrue Junior Member Username: itistrue Post Number: 32 Registered: 1-2008 Posted From: 76.251.148.76 Posted on Wednesday, January 09, 2008 - 9:57 pm:        http://youtube.com/watch?v=s6dpXPtmY00 http://youtube.com/watch?v=sbFEnoITiWE&feature=related   itistrue Junior Member Username: itistrue Post Number: 33 Registered: 1-2008 Posted From: 76.251.148.76 Posted on Wednesday, January 09, 2008 - 10:05 pm:        If you know the scriptures and listen to his message you will know what he says wrong. http://youtube.com/watch?v=AQxPOHcQTwc   itistrue Junior Member Username: itistrue Post Number: 35 Registered: 1-2008 Posted From: 76.251.148.76 Posted on Wednesday, January 09, 2008 - 10:47 pm:        Splc is getting hatered instilled into people by claiming to have the answer,stop anyone who preaches againest sin,(and I am not talking about tony alamo)I am talking about anyone who preaches againest homosexuality,abortion,right to pray in school,they have the final solution,here it is, http://youtube.com/watch?v=fQuPef9pZZg   mix New member Username: mix Post Number: 6 Registered: 1-2008 Posted From: 76.214.6.137 Posted on Thursday, January 10, 2008 - 11:02 am:        ItIsTrue, What were the issues you and tony did not agree on?   modesto New member Username: modesto Post Number: 11 Registered: 4-2007 Posted From: 76.209.135.96 Posted on Thursday, January 10, 2008 - 2:58 pm:        itistrue, You've put some really cool music up for us to enjoy,really edifying.I want to gently suggest that you have the opposite effect with your efforts to warn everyone in here about the SPLC.We are mostly pretty bright bulbs,able to make up our own minds(especially after being "once bitten twice shy" from Alamo).You would have a much better time in here sticking to the topic and even giving a musical link once in a while.   itistrue Junior Member Username: itistrue Post Number: 38 Registered: 1-2008 Posted From: 76.251.148.76 Posted on Thursday, January 10, 2008 - 8:04 pm:        This topic is title splc,yes you have learned alot of the gospel,and as you say that you have learned the tricks of tony then I should know that you would see through the smoke screen of the splc. http://youtube.com/watch?v=19ixdYJ7TAs   brother_d Intermediate Member Username: brother_d Post Number: 489 Registered: 11-2006 Posted From: 74.224.134.89 Posted on Friday, January 11, 2008 - 6:55 am:        Doesn't matter where it comes from. If it's the truth, believe it. And the SPLC article on tonee was the truth...every word of it.   wilma Advanced Member Username: wilma Post Number: 664 Registered: 1-2006 Posted From: 72.185.141.125 Posted on Friday, January 11, 2008 - 8:35 am:        Exactly! The SPLC published the TRUTH about TONY ALAMO! Tony Alamo is a sexual predator who has no remorse for sexually violating, raping, and physically assaulting underage girls as young as eight. He is a violent pedophile. HE is also delusion and dangerous. Whether someone agrees with SPLC policy and philosophy or not, all SPLC have done is relay the first hand account of victims of Tony's crimes. No other mainstream media has had the integrity or concern to do that. SPLC and Susy Buchanan (the writer) did a lot of research and produced a factual and first-class article. Anyone that would come on a discussion board dealing with the atrocities Alamo has committed and gotten away with and attack SPLC is disgusting. Where is your attack on Tony Alamo? He's the one who has committed these attacks against Christianity and all that is decent. Susie G   anchored New member Username: anchored Post Number: 19 Registered: 1-2006 Posted From: 71.205.65.52 Posted on Friday, January 11, 2008 - 8:43 am:        AMEN!!! Right on the nose Wilma! Thanks for setting the facts straight.   itistrue Junior Member Username: itistrue Post Number: 40 Registered: 1-2008 Posted From: 70.245.158.114 Posted on Friday, January 11, 2008 - 9:04 am:        I have said many times that tony preaches false doctrine. O.K. so I want everyone to know that the splc also promotes sin alot,pedator of souls they are also, homosexuality,lesbeisan,adultry,abortion,sponser,gay pride.I never say tony was some good guy yet you praise the splc for their exposing tony,and you say the splc are not right in everything and that is o.k. with you. Well tony is wrong in things also,yet,It was the brothers and sisters who wittnessed to you and others and led you to the Lord,Was that not a good thing or are you exposing your's and many others salvation as a evil thing ?   anchored New member Username: anchored Post Number: 20 Registered: 1-2006 Posted From: 71.205.65.52 Posted on Friday, January 11, 2008 - 9:22 am:        You're missing the whole point, itistrue. We are just saying that the TRUTH was spoken. No one is "praising" SPLC. We are just saying that it was a factual, well-written, researched first-class article. It doesn't matter where the TRUTH emanated from. Truth is truth. True reporting is true reporting. It's obvious what you are doing. The fact that you keep focusing on and emphasizing the sins of the SPLC and never attack Tony Alamo, who is attacking God and Christianity by all of the ungodly things he has done in the past and is still doing in the name of Jesus. That is appalling. It's obvious that you are trying to shift the focus off of the abominable atrocities of Tony Alamo and put the focus on the SPLC. Please get it through your head that this forum is not about the SPLC. If you want to start a campaign against the SPLC, PLEASE GO DO IT SOMEWHERE ELSE. THIS BOARD IS ABOUT EXPOSING TONY ALAMO.   heynow New member Username: heynow Post Number: 10 Registered: 12-2006 Posted From: 71.143.112.5 Posted on Friday, January 11, 2008 - 12:16 pm:        Anchored, Sounds intruquing. This prompts me to ask itistru: Are you trying to "shift the blame"? Are you trying to remove the spotlight from tony's lifestyle and focus on SPLC abominable doctrines?   anchored New member Username: anchored Post Number: 21 Registered: 1-2006 Posted From: 71.205.65.52 Posted on Friday, January 11, 2008 - 12:41 pm:        Well, my intentions are not to sound "intriguing" heynow. I'm not quite sure what you meant by that, since intrique implies secret scheming and underhandedly plotting, to trick or perplex. I can assure you that my intentions are to get the truth out about Tony Alamo, and I can assure you I have no ulterior motives. I didn't say isitrue was trying to "shift the blame" I SAID he is trying to shift the focus. And I say this because any attacks he makes are always toward the SPLC, and he is constantly making this about THEM instead of about Tony Alamo. He hasn't made any attacks against Tony Alamo. Do you think you are helping the cause here by setting him up with a loaded question for more diversions from the topic? Since you chose the word "intriguing", I find that to be rather intriguing.   heynow New member Username: heynow Post Number: 12 Registered: 12-2006 Posted From: 71.143.112.5 Posted on Friday, January 11, 2008 - 1:22 pm:        Anchored, Thank you. The intrigue was not directed to you. The intrique was concerning the ISSUE you mentioned. As is seems itistru trying to shift the focus. I know you didn't mention shifting the blame. I did that. Shifting the blame is what I asked. As you can see by both questions I asked itistru concerning blame and focus. This prompts me to ask itistru: Are you trying to "shift the blame"? Are you trying to remove the spotlight from tony's lifestyle and focus on SPLC abominable doctrines? Let's see if itistru answers these short questions.   anchored New member Username: anchored Post Number: 24 Registered: 1-2006 Posted From: 71.205.65.52 Posted on Friday, January 11, 2008 - 1:57 pm:        No problem. Didn't realize you were talking about the ISSUE. Although, I still think it's just going to be a denial, justification and encouragement to further distract. Oh well, we'll see.   itistrue Junior Member Username: itistrue Post Number: 41 Registered: 1-2008 Posted From: 76.251.148.76 Posted on Friday, January 11, 2008 - 6:37 pm:        Anchored,I am noy trying to shift any blame anywhere,or to anybody,(anchored's statement,We are just saying that the TRUTH was spoken. No one is "praising" SPLC. We are just saying that it was a factual, well-written, researched first-class article. It doesn't matter where the TRUTH emanated from. Truth is truth. True reporting is true reporting.) Tony has written some good tracts also and very factual in reporting the atrocities of the vatican,and it's one world goverment,them brothers and sisters have put alot of their very own life into it,and did you receive salvation when you went down to the alter at the church. why do you give thanks to another cult for exposing another cult as you call it.Anchored do you not think that some folks and tony deserve a little thanks,for truely accordding to God's Holy Word the church surpassed the splc by thousands and thousands of time. The church has done way more good than the splc,can you not tell the church thanks for atleast preaching againest homosexuality,abortion,lesbo,and alot of other vile acts people commit againest God. Put it on a scale the church weighs out way better,than the splc. Tony Alamo you preach some false doctrine,clean it up tony or you could wind up in hell along with the splc and their promoters.   brother_d Intermediate Member Username: brother_d Post Number: 491 Registered: 11-2006 Posted From: 68.155.161.127 Posted on Friday, January 11, 2008 - 8:21 pm:        tonee hasn't written anything that was more than a self-aggrandizing, BORING bunch of garbage! tonee deserves NOTHING but the scorn of decent people everywhere.   brother_d Intermediate Member Username: brother_d Post Number: 493 Registered: 11-2006 Posted From: 68.155.161.127 Posted on Friday, January 11, 2008 - 8:30 pm:        youareuseless, you should be less concerned with cockwatching and more concerned with protecting the children tonee has abused.   raining New member Username: raining Post Number: 2 Registered: 1-2006 Posted From: 67.114.9.136 Posted on Friday, January 11, 2008 - 11:13 pm:        Many people in Germany thought Hitler was their leader to lead them into a brighter future. Hitler did many good things for some of the German people. However does the "good" deeds Hitler did override all the beatings,rape,murder, torture and slavery Hitler bestowed on others? Hitler too had minions who followed his commands, thinking they were doing what was right. Hitler had people he trusted carry out the beatings,rape and torture. . . . . Sounds like Tony Alamo and his followers to me!!!! Tony Alamo has his minions who blindly follow what he says! Tony Alamo has the older ones who administer the beatings and deliver tony's messages. They drag their little girls over to "Papa Tony's" house and hand them over to that raping pedophile to defile their under-age virgin daughter. Like the Leader-so are Tony Alamo's followers! Many of the one-time brothers 30, 40 , 50 years old men have taken 13, 14, 15 year old girls to wife. So now they have become pedophiles just like their perverted raping pedophile leader. If the tree is rotten it bringeth forth "Rotten Fruit" PS: I am not saying Tony Alamo is as smart as Hitler! Tony Alamo is a 2-bit con loser who wishes he could get a nation of people to follow him. Tony Alamo believes his own lies, when his ego powered lips proclaim, "How great I was, I am, and I shall be" The Bible commands us to WARN the world of the evil. Satan appeard as an angel of light! Tony Alamo appears as a "world pastor" (angel of light), but really he is a wolf in sheep's clothing roaming to and fro upon the face of the earth looking for the innocent to deceive and devour,young virgin girls to rape and defile! WARN the world about TONY ALAMO - a wolf lurking to destroy innocent souls. (Message edited by Raining on January 11, 2008)   heynow New member Username: heynow Post Number: 13 Registered: 12-2006 Posted From: 71.143.112.5 Posted on Saturday, January 12, 2008 - 1:43 am:        Itistru, You wrote: "Tony Alamo you preach some false doctrine,clean it up tony or you could wind up in hell along with the splc and their promoters." Seems pretty stiff admonishment. tony are you reading this?   redeemed_9131970 Member Username: redeemed_9131970 Post Number: 87 Registered: 11-2005 Posted From: 75.66.235.106 Posted on Saturday, January 12, 2008 - 2:49 am:        Itistrue, Am I really reading you correctly? You actually posted the following: Tony has written some good tracts also and very factual in reporting the atrocities of the vatican,and it's one world goverment,them brothers and sisters have put alot of their very own life into it,and did you receive salvation when you went down to the alter at the church. why do you give thanks to another cult for exposing another cult as you call it.Anchored do you not think that some folks and tony deserve a little thanks,for truely accordding to God's Holy Word the church surpassed the splc by thousands and thousands of time. The church has done way more good than the splc,can you not tell the church thanks for atleast preaching againest homosexuality,abortion,lesbo,and alot of other vile acts people commit againest God. Put it on a scale the church weighs out way better,than the splc. Tony Alamo you preach some false doctrine,clean it up tony or you could wind up in hell along with the splc and their promoters. This is the wrong place to seek approval of any kind for that backslidden pedophile. Are you so without understanding that his atrocities escape you? You start out with this post: Tony has written some good tracts also and very factual in reporting the atrocities of the vatican,and it's one world goverment,them brothers and sisters have put alot of their very own life into it, Tony hasn’t written anything; he’s a plagiarist and a stealer of other people’s research, efforts and labors – a skill he appears to have honed early in life. Next you posted: and did you receive salvation when you went down to the alter at the church. Amen we did, but it had nothing to do with Tony so please don’t equate our salvation with him being righteous, because he isn’t. He is without a position between any of us and the Holy gift of salvation we received at the altar, nor did he ever occupy such a hallowed place. So don’t esteem any glory to him, it all belongs to God. You also posted: why do you give thanks to another cult for exposing another cult as you call it. Ahem… you mean like TA exposing the Vatican, and then being given thanks for doing so? Then you posted: Anchored do you not think that some folks and tony deserve a little thanks, As far as Tony deserving some thanks for any thing whatsoever, why don’t you try telling that to all the children he commanded to have brutally beaten, and the young girls he forced himself on sexually, and the families he’s personally destroyed. As well as to those of us he willingly took advantage of spiritually before our awakening.   redeemed_9131970 Member Username: redeemed_9131970 Post Number: 88 Registered: 11-2005 Posted From: 75.66.235.106 Posted on Saturday, January 12, 2008 - 2:50 am:        Then you posted: The church has done way more good than the splc,can you not tell the church thanks for atleast preaching againest homosexuality,abortion,lesbo,and alot of other vile acts people commit againest God. How ironic No! None of us is here to tell the ‘church’ (which it isn’t; it’s a cult – thank-you very much! – it’s nothing more than an evil, alter ego extension of Tony Alamo) thanks for preaching against vile acts people commit against God when that place is a bastion of vile acts committed against God every time a poor soul is abused Or are you oblivious to the fact that each and everyone of those crimes is being committed against the Image of God (which each and everyone of those victims is the embodiment of)? Also you posted: Put it on a scale the church weighs out way better,than the splc. Kind of like comparing apples to oranges don’t you think? Absolutely ridiculous! Finally, last but not least, you proceeded to post: Tony Alamo you preach some false doctrine,clean it up tony or you could wind up in hell along with the splc and their promoters. Why do you feel compelled to laud his praises and then attempt to skirt the fence by tossing in that last tidbit (which you unfortunately pre-neutered by all you posted ahead of it)? Seriously, what’s your game, Itistrue? 1 John 4:1 Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world. Forever thankful for His merciful awakening, Carolyn Pryor – Redeemed: 9/13/1970 – pobox398   anchored New member Username: anchored Post Number: 25 Registered: 1-2006 Posted From: 71.205.65.52 Posted on Saturday, January 12, 2008 - 8:40 am:        Wow, why am I not surprised??? How did I know I'd come back to a flourish of irrational nonsense from "itistrue"? Needless to say it really wasn't hard to predict. Well, it looks like my brother and sisters on Factnet have, as usual, have done a super great job of responding to the ridiculous rants that come out of the Tony Alamo arena and mindset. I love that scripture in Colossians "Let your speech be alway with grace, seasoned with salt, that ye may know how ye ought to answer every man." I think that scripture applies to "every man", not just the unsaved, which it is in context referring to. It never ceases to amaze me how much the Lord has shown us and how much we have grown in grace and wisdom in the Lord since we have left that place. I just want to let you all know that I am thankful for you and am really encouraged and upllifted by your posts, and that I really appreciate all of you. Too many names to mention here but thank you Sue B, Claudia, Carolyn, Brother D, Wilma, Tom, and there's so many more like Modesto, Dyann, Julie, G, binthere, bystander and many many more. Without getting too mushy here, Thanks for coming in and STICKING TO THE TOPIC with your contributions. I always look forward to reading your very edifying, uplifting and revealing posts. I mean how do you reason with people like floridian, itistrue, simpleminded? They don't read the posts correctly, they come in here with off-the-wall statements, making false accusations, ranting irrationally with their unskilled spewing of scriptures and totally ignoring statements and questions put to them. Here's just one example: itistrue said: "Anchored, I am noy trying to shift any blame anywhere,or to anybody"......... Go up to post #20 and show me one place where I ever said he was trying to "shift the blame." Those were the words of heynow, not mine. What I said was he is trying to shift the FOCUS of this board by taking the spotlight off from Tony Alamo and putting it on the SPLC by constantly talking about the SPLC instead of the TOPIC of this forum which is titled ALAMO FOUNDATION. His other absurd statements in that ridiculous post were very efficiently countered and addressed in the Spirit by Sue B, Carolyn, Wilma & Brother_d. Just one more thing, itistrue asked me: "and did you receive salvation when you went down to the alter at the church?" That shows how much you know about me, itistrue. You barked up the wrong tree when you asked me that. I was saved before I ever came to that place. My altar was Redondo Beach in Southern California. I had never even heard of that joint, nor had I ever been witnessed to by anyone from that joint. I was saved by God, himself, when I called out to him and sincerely asked him to show me if Jesus was the truth. The point is I give God the glory for my salvation, not Tony Alamo or any of his minions. God is who I give "thanks" to and praise unceasingly. Then you come here and laud and praise Tony Alamo and his minions. I thought that was a very good analogy above in Sue B's post about Hitler. Hitler did a lot of good things to reunite Germany and convinced the German people that he was doing everything good for them, but behind the scenes he was scheming a diabolical plan of corruption and wicked deeds and abominable atrocities and secretly had his own evil agenda to dominate the world and make a superior race of blue-eyed blonde-haired people. DO YOU SEE ANYBODY THANKING HIM FOR THE GOOD THINGS HE DID AT ONE TIME? You know what? I don't know why am I even wasting my time trying to reason with someone like you, itistrue?   anchored Junior Member Username: anchored Post Number: 26 Registered: 1-2006 Posted From: 71.205.65.52 Posted on Saturday, January 12, 2008 - 9:58 am:        I just noticed a mistake, I meant to say Brother(s). Thanks to all my Brothers & Sisters on Factnet who come in and stick to the TOPIC with their many valuable insights and contributions.   itistrue Junior Member Username: itistrue Post Number: 42 Registered: 1-2008 Posted From: 76.251.148.76 Posted on Saturday, January 12, 2008 - 10:17 am:        http://youtube.com/watch?v=fmBqIlXUo2A Jesus Christ the Son of God is my Lord. Not only will I,tony alamo,people of the splc,people in and out of the church,people who never heard of the church,people on this board,and even you too will be standing judgement in front of my Lord Jesus Christ and Matthew 7:22,Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? 23And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity. 24Therefore whosoever heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them, I will liken him unto a wise man, which built his house upon a rock: http://youtube.com/watch?v=vVDn4ssDxWw   pobox398 Intermediate Member Username: pobox398 Post Number: 189 Registered: 11-2005 Posted From: 75.66.235.106 Posted on Saturday, January 12, 2008 - 10:40 am:        ...all else is sinking sand. Judging by the tone of your posts, you're about neck deep in its granules...cp   anchored Junior Member Username: anchored Post Number: 28 Registered: 1-2006 Posted From: 71.205.65.52 Posted on Saturday, January 12, 2008 - 10:52 am:        "Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord" Yeah, sounds like Tony Alamo   itistrue Junior Member Username: itistrue Post Number: 43 Registered: 1-2008 Posted From: 76.251.148.76 Posted on Saturday, January 12, 2008 - 10:54 am:        Do you drink fermented wines liquor or beer cp?   raining New member Username: raining Post Number: 4 Registered: 1-2006 Posted From: 67.114.9.136 Posted on Saturday, January 12, 2008 - 10:58 am:        ITISTRUE- YOU POSTED THIS SCRIPTURE: Matthew 7:22,Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? 23And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity. THE ABOVE SCRIPTURES SHOULD SCARE TONY ALAMO! SO WHAT IF HE SENDS SOME BIBLES OUT AND GIVES MONEY FOR A CITY PARK AND BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH. THOSE "GOOD DEEDS" DO NOT ERASE THE EVIL HE DOES USING OUR LORD AND SAVIOR AS A TOOL TO FURTHER HIS OWN PERVERTED LUSTS! Tony Alamo, you claim to be a Prophet of God - YOU ARE A LIAR! God's anointed DON'T LIE, RAPE UNDER-AGE GIRLS,OR BEAT OR COMMAND CHILDREN TO BE BEATEN BLOODY! BY THE WAY - THIS BOARD IS ABOUT EXPOSING TONY ALAMO - WHO FEIGNS HIMSELF AS "WORLD PASTOR". TRY AND STAY ON SUBJECT   anchored Junior Member Username: anchored Post Number: 29 Registered: 1-2006 Posted From: 71.205.65.52 Posted on Saturday, January 12, 2008 - 11:07 am:        Why don't you ask that GRANDFATHERED-AGED LITTLE DWARF RUNNING TO AND FRO IN HIGH HEELS how he finds the scriptures to justify raping little under-age girls and beating children to a bloody pulp AND LYING THROUGH HIS FAKE PEARLY WHITE IMPLANTS? HE TELLS SO MANY LIES HE CAN'T EVEN KEEP 'EM STRAIGHT ANY LONGER.   itistrue Junior Member Username: itistrue Post Number: 44 Registered: 1-2008 Posted From: 76.251.148.76 Posted on Saturday, January 12, 2008 - 11:11 am:        SPLC Article Links. Post Nothing else here. That is the title of this thread. Yes it should make tony and me and you and the splc and the whole world think and think hard. So what the splc exposes tony as you say,and BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH. THOSE "GOOD DEEDS" DO NOT ERASE THE EVIL THEY DO USING OUR LORD AND SAVIOR AS A TOOL TO FURTHER THEIR OWN PERVERTED LUSTS!of homosexuality,lesbeisan,abortion and building of a concentration camps.   raining New member Username: raining Post Number: 5 Registered: 1-2006 Posted From: 67.114.9.136 Posted on Saturday, January 12, 2008 - 11:14 am:        Here is part of a post that John Malone posted on another thread. - great post John For Tony, the gospel is a tool to be used to enslave and use and abuse people for his profit! Tony deserves no credit for any of the good works of any of the Brothers and Sisters, only blame for having "touched the Lord's annointed" many times.   itistrue Junior Member Username: itistrue Post Number: 45 Registered: 1-2008 Posted From: 70.245.158.114 Posted on Saturday, January 12, 2008 - 11:21 am:        Yes Anchored,tony alamo will stand at the Judgement bar of God also,as well as you and I and all those who have ever been on or will be on this earth,yes Anchored,Judgement is for all and to us all. http://youtube.com/watch?v=7PTvr755V8s   anchored Junior Member Username: anchored Post Number: 32 Registered: 1-2006 Posted From: 71.205.65.52 Posted on Saturday, January 12, 2008 - 11:44 am:        This thread "SPLC Article Links" is related to TONY ALAMO and the ARTICLE exposes TONY ALAMO and IT IS part of the entire FORUM. So STOP STRAINING already! This whole forum is to expose the wicked, evil abominations of TONY ALAMO, not the SPLC. If you feel so passionate about it, go start a forum somewhere else exposing the SPLC. Once again, here you go trying to take the focus of that WICKED LITTLE DWARF, RAPING PEDOPHILE, SCUMBAG, DEMENTED PERVERT RUNNING AROUND IN HIS LITTLE HIGH-HEELED SHOES. You said, "and even you too will be standing judgement in front of my Lord Jesus Christ." Yeah, that's why I'm afraid to keep silent about TONY ALAMO. I don't know anything about the SPLC and that is not what this forum IS ABOUT ANYWAY. But I do know about TONY ALAMO, because I lived there and saw him in ACTION.   itistrue Junior Member Username: itistrue Post Number: 47 Registered: 1-2008 Posted From: 70.245.158.114 Posted on Saturday, January 12, 2008 - 11:47 am:        Yes,I can not keep silent either about anyone or anything,anywhere,   anchored Junior Member Username: anchored Post Number: 33 Registered: 1-2006 Posted From: 71.205.65.52 Posted on Saturday, January 12, 2008 - 12:04 pm:        Yeah, well you have somewhat of a different agenda. But we will just keep using you for a SPRINGBOARD to EXPOSE TONY ALAMO. I'll bet tonee is just loving it bringing all this attention once again to his filthy deeds. We will just keep shifting the focus back to where it belongs anyway. That just means more and more exposing of that HELL HOLE ALAMO COMPOUND and what a wicked bed of adultery, fornication, pedophiliac, raping, ungodly, lewd, abominable den of iniquity that it is.   itistrue Junior Member Username: itistrue Post Number: 49 Registered: 1-2008 Posted From: 76.251.148.76 Posted on Saturday, January 12, 2008 - 12:12 pm:        http://youtube.com/watch?v=Hecaz4NkQVY http://youtube.com/watch?v=ZtPF9M3nIHs   brother_d Intermediate Member Username: brother_d Post Number: 495 Registered: 11-2006 Posted From: 68.155.164.124 Posted on Saturday, January 12, 2008 - 12:19 pm:        climb back up on tonee's lap and tell him what a good boy you've been...you've done his will.   pobox398 Intermediate Member Username: pobox398 Post Number: 190 Registered: 11-2005 Posted From: 75.66.235.106 Posted on Saturday, January 12, 2008 - 12:46 pm:        Itistrue posted: Do you drink fermented wines liquor or beer cp? Is that the best you can do? You who feign yourself to be so upright. Oh so typical, cheap, unwarranted shots at the opposition, same tired tactics as your hairy toed master. Not that it’s of any particular relevance in relation to the namesake topic of discussion, distilled water is my preferred beverage of choice, that and the pure wine of the Spirit aka the Holy Word of God. Suffice it to say I do not consume alcoholic beverages of any kind nor any other abusive substances for that matter. Ecclesiastes 12:13 & 14 Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God, and keep his commandments: for this is the whole duty of man. For God shall bring every work into judgment, with every secret thing, whether it be good, or whether it be evil. And that , Itistrue, surely applies to all humankind, the least of which is not your precious predator, Tony Alamo, self proclaimed world pastor who in all actuality has become a wickedly profane person who defiles all he comes in contact with, with his perverse doctrine, yourself included. Just look at what you’ve so shamelessly embrazened yourself to come here on this forum to defend and in such an insidiously deceitful way. The more you post, the more your true colors come forth – It Is SO True – you are definitely one of Tony’s minions. Sadly a disgraceful minion of the worse sort, because you (supposedly) don’t even live there, which exempts you from being under the threat of getting expelled if you don’t rally to his support. What a waste you are truly proving to be, cumbering the earth with your twisted version of the gospel according to youtube. cp   itistrue Member Username: itistrue Post Number: 51 Registered: 1-2008 Posted From: 76.251.148.76 Posted on Saturday, January 12, 2008 - 1:24 pm:        That was not a shot Just a question,and I am glad to hear that you do not drink any alcohoic beverages,nor do I ,nor do I promote it. I will be judge by what comes out of my mouth and even my thoughts are and will come into judgement. I will not be judge by your name calling or by your label that you try and place on me. One thing I have notice is that alot of you suppose to be christian,have the same way of words and name calling and your veiw point of the matter as if you are speaking true words and all should take notice,as being the gospel truth. Most of you sound so much like tony alamo it is easy to see that you where raised and taught by him. Most of you sound just like him attacking someone else. Yes tony is preaching false doctrine and so are most of ya'll. I do see the blind leading the blind,again,I do see. http://youtube.com/watch?v=TjgYsHt71XE   anchored Junior Member Username: anchored Post Number: 36 Registered: 1-2006 Posted From: 71.205.65.52 Posted on Saturday, January 12, 2008 - 1:45 pm:        Well then, Mr. Youtube, you would be the blind leading the blindest. And you do sound identical to les wood/floridian/simpleminded. Exactly the same spirit and rhetoric. You are very subtle like a foul serpent whose lips speak smoothly - DECEIT AND FLATTERY OUT OF THE SAME MOUTH. Who remains in the shadows like a wimpy coward who is afraid to let anyone know his true identity. So "itistrue" is really "itisnottrue" Phony imposter!   anchored Junior Member Username: anchored Post Number: 37 Registered: 1-2006 Posted From: 71.205.65.52 Posted on Saturday, January 12, 2008 - 1:51 pm:        SPRINGBOARD TIME: Read the testimonies of 3 survivors of Tony Alamo's abusive lifestyle. Don't ever forget the courage these ladies have shown by coming on a public forum and exposing that perverted pedophile, Tony Alamo! NIKKI " I lived in Tony's house for almost 3 years (12-15yrs old). I was forced by Tony and my family to live at his house.". " He used to have me sit next to him and tell me all sorts sexual tales and things that he'd like to do I actually learned about everything from threesums to how big black guys dicks are from Tony and he would always tell to promise not to tell anyone." " So June of 99' I was fifteen and I made a phone call to a relative in Chicago to get me out and long story a bit shorter Tony found out and the consequences were horrific he nearly killed (no really) he knocked me unconscious but I was so terrified that he would kill me because I had seen the way he beat the others " TAMI "Shortly after Tony kicked my husband Randy out, he declared I was to become one of his wives. I resisted. I did not love him. I didn’t even believe in polygamy. I did not want to leave my husband." " After his pressuring didn’t work, he hit me where he knew he would get me: If I didn’t marry him, I would go to hell. Something terrible would happen to me. I would die. I would get sick. My daughter would be demon-possessed. " "On October 15, 1993, I married Tony Alamo. He asked me if I wanted to consummate the marriage. I said no." " I felt like I was going to vomit. I kept praying for God to deliver me from this mess. " " I was seventeen. He was sixty-three." JODIE "After hearing him say all this stuff, how I was going to die very shortly and go to hell. I finally told him crying that I lived my life for God and I wanted to do God's will. He then made arrangements to take me to Palm Springs to "marry" me.I was terrified and asked to call my mom back in Arkansas. Tony told me I could not and he would make sure I never saw my family again unless I "consummated" the marriage. He even threatened to have some of the "brothers" drive me out to the desert and leave me there unless I slept with him. " "I was dry heaving and couldn't sleep for days. I would cry the whole time. " "Tony was very careful when he took me for a wife. He didn't want the church to know because the idea of polygamy wasn't accepted by his following yet." " He then told me about Lizzy and because she was so small, it took her three days for him to break her in. " Thank God Nikki,Tammi, and Jodi have the Godly courage to expose Tony Alamo and what he inflicted upon them. Tony Alamo is a lying, polygamy practicing, child abusing pedophile, false profit. He self anointed himself as "World Pastor".   anchored Junior Member Username: anchored Post Number: 40 Registered: 1-2006 Posted From: 71.205.65.52 Posted on Saturday, January 12, 2008 - 2:03 pm:        Some "world pastor", huh?   itistrue Member Username: itistrue Post Number: 53 Registered: 1-2008 Posted From: 76.251.148.76 Posted on Saturday, January 12, 2008 - 4:04 pm:        I read them many years ago,I know about the testimony,I have talked to some of them, If you where so concern you would talk to them also. Tammi would tell you that her and her husband do not want you to keep posting her name,Tammi and her husband have not nor do they give you permission to keep posting their name,yet you still do it without their permission. I am not saying the testimony is not true,just saying they do not want your's and others salt continually being applied to their wounds. Do not let your tender mercies be afflicting to the wounded.   anchored Junior Member Username: anchored Post Number: 42 Registered: 1-2006 Posted From: 71.205.65.52 Posted on Saturday, January 12, 2008 - 4:40 pm:        Yeah, right Youarelying. You and your pervert leader Tony Alamo are the ones that would like us to stop posting these true testimonies and the truth about that lying sack of scum, Tony Alamo. I'm sure Tammi wouldn't have posted her testimony in the first place if she didn't want to warn the world about what happened to her so it wouldn't happen to others. Tammi knew her testimony would be on Factnet permanently and could be accessed by anyone at any time. Oh, so now you're Tammi's spokesperson? Tammi's not capable of coming on and telling us not to include her testimony in exposing the World Pervert, Tony Alamo. I'm sure if that were the case, word would have gotten around way before now. We've been posting it for a really long, long time now and no one, except you has ever objected. Well, when Tammi, herself, comes on and tells me/us not to bring her testimony forward, I will stop. Until that time, I will continue warning and reminding the whole world of Tony Alamo's abuse and cruelty to those whom he has enslaved and mistreated, beaten bloody, spiritually, physically and mentally raped, molested, ravished and imprisoned in his demonic clutches. That is MERCY. Hiding the truth is HATE.   mix New member Username: mix Post Number: 8 Registered: 1-2008 Posted From: 76.214.6.137 Posted on Saturday, January 12, 2008 - 4:43 pm:        pobox398, It is very odd that itistrue asked you if you drink. I mean neather you or your husband drink. IT-IS-TRUE knows you of course. itistrue, Why did you ask CP if she drinks when you know she do not???   anchored Junior Member Username: anchored Post Number: 44 Registered: 1-2006 Posted From: 71.205.65.52 Posted on Saturday, January 12, 2008 - 4:56 pm:        Just confirms all the more how the devil gets really mad when the world is reminded of those courageous testimonies.   itistrue Member Username: itistrue Post Number: 56 Registered: 1-2008 Posted From: 76.251.148.76 Posted on Saturday, January 12, 2008 - 4:58 pm:        I never said they did not drink,she said it. Anchored you are very wrong for thinking Tammi is not able,she is very able and they have not given you permission,and thanks for letting people know that you quote without permission. http://youtube.com/watch?v=wej1jHtiH-M   anchored Junior Member Username: anchored Post Number: 45 Registered: 1-2006 Posted From: 71.205.65.52 Posted on Saturday, January 12, 2008 - 5:07 pm:        Tammi gave her permission when she publicly posted her testimony. That's why it has been brought forward many, many, times by many, many, many, posters. If she didn't want her testimony posted any more all she would've had to do is simply notify Factnet and have it removed. After all, you said "she is very able."   anchored Junior Member Username: anchored Post Number: 46 Registered: 1-2006 Posted From: 71.205.65.52 Posted on Saturday, January 12, 2008 - 5:10 pm:        You are a fake just like your master, Tony Alamo.   wilma Advanced Member Username: wilma Post Number: 665 Registered: 1-2006 Posted From: 72.185.141.125 Posted on Saturday, January 12, 2008 - 5:17 pm:        Itistrue aka Les Wood, Sure, Tami would rather this horrific stuff had never happened to her and would prefer to move on and live her life as though it never had, BUT she is more concerned with the truth. She realizes that Tony continues raping and beating underage children and she has chosen out of compassion and concern to speak out against Tony's atrocities. Which is why she did an interview with SPLC and told her story to them. Les, when is the last time you spoke to Tami? Why do you presume to speak for her. (FYI, I speak to her regularly.) She chooses to speak out not because Tony is preaching false doctrine (as you stated as his sin) but because he is a pedophile, raping eight year old girls; because he is a con man beguiling naive and innocent souls. You are really mixed up and should do us all a favor and stay off this message board. SusieG   itistrue Member Username: itistrue Post Number: 58 Registered: 1-2008 Posted From: 76.251.148.76 Posted on Saturday, January 12, 2008 - 5:32 pm:        No you dont talk to Tammi regular,And I never said that I am les wood and you have not talked to Tammi in over a I think its 2 months now.   mix New member Username: mix Post Number: 9 Registered: 1-2008 Posted From: 76.214.6.137 Posted on Saturday, January 12, 2008 - 5:36 pm:        itistrue, You are not married, why?   itistrue Member Username: itistrue Post Number: 61 Registered: 1-2008 Posted From: 76.251.148.76 Posted on Saturday, January 12, 2008 - 6:23 pm:        Who said wether I was married or not Mix?   raining New member Username: raining Post Number: 7 Registered: 1-2006 Posted From: 67.114.9.136 Posted on Saturday, January 12, 2008 - 6:28 pm:        Stop trying to figure out who "itistrue" is, or anything about their personal life. They are a distraction Let us keep the focus on that grandfather-aged, wicked little dwarf, Tony Alamo. Who is a lying polygamist pedophile, and uses the Gospel of Christ as a tool to prey on the innocent!   raining New member Username: raining Post Number: 8 Registered: 1-2006 Posted From: 67.114.9.136 Posted on Saturday, January 12, 2008 - 6:35 pm:        Posted on Monday, September 03, 2007 - 11:29 pm: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- CHILD ABUSE Over the next few years, Tony Alamo was besieged with lawsuits and controversy. In 1988 he ordered the beating of an 11 year old child (Justin Miller) in the community, via speaker phone, ordering four male followers to hold the child spread eagle while being struck vigorously 140 times with a large wooden paddle, while Justin’s mother looked on. On March 25, 1988, this prompted a raid on the Saugus, California compound. Justin Miller was removed by the state and returned to his father, who had left the cult months earlier. Ex-members were starting to come forward with their stories that Alamo wielded such control over his followers that he literally would split up families and rearrange marriages at will. In September of the same year, Robert and Carey Miller, who were the operators of the Church’s trucking company, alleged that Alamo had embezzled $100,000 and essentially stole the trucking company from them. Meanwhile, Tony’s clothing company, Alamo Designs, was suffering from the bad public relations due to the publicity that exposed his human right’s abuses (slave labor) in the creating of the designer clothing. JUSTICE Tony Alamo did not appear in court in 1990 to answer the charges involving the trucking company (because he was afraid he would end up in jail). The court ruled in default and a judgment was given against him. That same year, The United States District Court in Fort Smith, Arkansas awarded over $1 million to Carey and Robert Miller and their families, all formerly associated with “World Pastor” Tony Alamo. A key charge in the suit involved the assertion that Tony Alamo put on “public” exhibitions of corporal punishment, in the form of paddling, upon minor children; and the proof amply showed that Justin Miller, while being restrained by four adult men, was struck vigorously 140 times with a large wooden paddle by a grown man. The evidence further showed that this punishment was inflicted in a room filled with adults and children and was not only painful (Justin's buttocks were bleeding) but humiliating in the extreme. Simultaneously, the IRS had filed liens for nearly 8 Million dollars for church-business income taxes, and employee withholding. The IRS within the year seized the Alamo businesses and communal properties all over the country3. In February of 1993, a Memphis grand jury indicted Alamo on charges of filing a false income tax return for 1985, and failing to file tax returns for the years of 1986, 1987 and 1988. In April of 1993, Alamo was arrested, and one year later, in May of 1994, his trial began before U.S. District Judge Jon P. McCalla. On June 8, 1994, Alamo was convicted of all four tax charges and sentenced to six years in prison.   raining New member Username: raining Post Number: 9 Registered: 1-2006 Posted From: 67.114.9.136 Posted on Saturday, January 12, 2008 - 6:35 pm:        Posted on Monday, September 03, 2007 - 11:37 pm: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- THE TRUTH POLYGAMY, SEXUAL ABUSE, AND DOMESTIC VIOLENCE In 1989 Alamo married Sharon Kroopf, in her late 30’s at the time. She married Tony, who at the time was a fugitive, in hiding from charges of felony child abuse in California. Tony and Sharon had a son, Sion, together in the summer of 1991, while Tony was in jail awaiting trial for threatening Federal Judge Morris Arnold. In California in February 1993 Tony Alamo took Lydia Willis, an African American, as a second wife. Lydia was in her early 30's. They have a son, Tabor, together. She and her son are mistreated more than the others and are both referred to as “••••••” by Alamo. A woman in Tony’s house witnessed the following: “Lydia was sitting beside me one night in Tony's office. She was reading something to Tony and messed up on her wording, so Tony got up from his chair and stormed over to me and Lydia and punched her in the face so hard that we both fell backwards. She tried to crawl away from him and that only made him madder. He grabbed her pant leg and pulled her back and continued to punch her. Then he stopped and went back to his chair like nothing ever happened and made Lydia come back and sit down and made her finish reading to Tony, as blood was gushing out of her mouth where Tony had beat her. He would not let anyone even give her a Kleenex or washcloth to help stop the bleeding. He said he wanted to see that “black ••••••” try and talk with her face and mouth all swollen. To Tony it was entertaining.” Lydia often reads responses on Alamo’s radio broadcast.   raining New member Username: raining Post Number: 10 Registered: 1-2006 Posted From: 67.114.9.136 Posted on Saturday, January 12, 2008 - 6:36 pm:        Posted on Monday, September 03, 2007 - 11:41 pm: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- In California in February 1993 Tony Alamo “married” Jody. She was 17 years old. Her Testimony: “Tony began talking about the flames of hell and how someone in the room wasn't listening to God and marrying him and such. Well, the only other person in the room besides me would be him on most occasions when he would talk about these things. After hearing him say all this stuff, how I was going to die very shortly and go to hell. I finally told him crying that I lived my life for God and I wanted to do God's will. He then made arrangements to take me to Palm Springs to "marry" me. I was terrified and asked to call my mom back in Arkansas. Tony told me I could not and he would make sure I never saw my family again unless I "consummated" the marriage. He even threatened to have some of the "brothers" drive me out to the desert and leave me there unless I slept with him. It was February 15th. Niki R. was there in Palm Springs. She knew how awful it was for me. I was dry heaving and couldn't sleep for days (found out lack of sleep was something I needed to become accustomed to later). The consummation didn't happen for a while, but I knew he would sooner or later force himself. That did happen, and at first it was awful. I would cry the whole time. But in time I learned a very valuable trick on "my nights" with Tony. I learned how to separate myself from myself. I would actually allow my mind to take me elsewhere during that time. That is why he went around telling people that sleeping with me was like sleeping with a corpse and that I didn't like sex so something was wrong with me. Tony was very careful when he took me for a wife. He didn't want the church to know because the idea of polygamy wasn't accepted by his following yet. It later became pretty common knowledge around the church. Anyway, after a few months went by, I saw Tony take, Isabel, Misheal (breaking up their marriage and taking her for himself), Tami (breaking up their marriage and taking her for himself as well), and Angel”. Jody left Tony and the Foundation in Dec 1993 and was a witness for the IRS in the tax case in June 1994. In California in 1993 Isabel Mendoza became another Alamo “wife” at age 19. In 1993 Misheal Jones Williams became Tony’s “wife” at 18 years old. She was already married to Kenya Williams (African American) and pregnant with his child at the time. Alamo kicked Kenya out of the group and took his wife. Kenya was the son of Diana Elena Williams Alamo, a legal ex-wife of Alamo's. Jordan (Kenya’s son) was born in Alamo's house and Alamo currently refers to him as “the •••••••” and “the ••••••”. There are witnesses that can verify that Alamo, in a rage, cruelly beat and kicked Jordan. (Diane Elana Williams Alamo testified against Tony in the IRS trial which could account for the revenge of taking Kenya's wife and his hatred of the child). Misheal is still there and often reads the responses on Tony’s radio broadcast.   raining New member Username: raining Post Number: 11 Registered: 1-2006 Posted From: 67.114.9.136 Posted on Saturday, January 12, 2008 - 6:37 pm:        Posted on Monday, September 03, 2007 - 11:44 pm: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- In California, on October 15, 1993 Tami became Tony’s “wife” at age 17. She was already married at the time to Randy and they had a small baby. Tony kicked Randy out of the group and then took his wife and child. Tami’s Testimony: “In summer of next year (1994), he was incarcerated on charges by the IRS. That story is a book in itself, but now I was living in even more trauma. He had amassed twelve wives by now. Twelve women locked in a house, day in and day out. The only thing we could count on was his phone calls, ever increasing, always a ride. We were God’s chosen on one day. We were blessed, everyone was the most beautiful, and we were on top of the world. The next day, we were the scum of the earth, unworthy, cut off. We never knew if we might find ourselves sitting in a house that was not paid for, with no food, and no money. We needn’t have worried. Then, I thought he was God’s best friend. Now I know he depended on us to give him his power. I slept, but I never slept. I ate, but the food went right through me. In my dreams I ran away. In the daytime I pretended. After two and a half years, I began to wake up. I believed in God still. I cried to him every day. I was thousands of miles away from my family. I had no money. I was only nineteen. I didn’t know how to run away with my baby, but that is what I desperately needed to do. I knew it”. Tami left Tony and the group in January 1996 and shortly thereafter reunited with her husband, Randy. In 1993 Angel Streit became a “wife” in Arkansas at age 20. Her mother Suzanne and step-father, Bob Streit, are still with the Alamo group. In Arkansas in January 1994, Elizabeth “Lizzy” Gutierrez became Tony’s “wife”. She had just turned 16 years old. She bore a child to Tony, a girl, Antoinette, in June of 2001. Lizzy and her parents were threatened with expulsion from the group and eternal damnation if they did not comply with Alamo’s demand for her virginity. In Arkansas in January 1994, Jeannette Marie Orlando became another Alamo “wife” at age 15. Her parents, Joey and Lenore Orlando, were kicked out of the group a few years later. Tony consummated the "marriage" in all of the above relationships. He never got marriage licenses but to his congregation he refers to these women/girls as his wives and he gave them all wedding rings.   raining New member Username: raining Post Number: 12 Registered: 1-2006 Posted From: 67.114.9.136 Posted on Saturday, January 12, 2008 - 6:40 pm:        Posted on Monday, September 03, 2007 - 11:46 pm: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- In May & June of 1994 - IRS trial in Memphis, Tennessee resulting in Alamo's conviction and incarceration in Federal prison. Tony lived in Memphis, TN with his “harem” during the trial proceedings. In November of 1994 he was moved to Federal prison in Florence, Colorado. His “harem” moved to Colorado Springs, Colorado at the end of Nov 1994. Right before (and during the time Tony was incarcerated in Colorado) (approx Nov 94 to late 95) the following girls joined his household (and visited him regularly in prison): Eliza V., at 8 yrs old, came to Tony's wives' house in Sept 1994 while he was in Memphis jail, under the pretense of being a playmate for Tony's stepdaughter, Becky Kroopf (Cunneen). Eliza was being “groomed” as a wife and Tony was constantly asking if she had reached puberty yet. She visited him in Colorado prison and was fondled by him and subjected to vile sex talk there. She left Colorado and the Alamo group at the end of 1995 with her family. Katrina F. was 11 years old when she was at Alamo's wives house in Memphis and later in Colorado. She also went there under the pretense of being a playmate for Tony’s stepdaughter, Becky. Alamo told Katrina that she was his “wife”. She visited Alamo in prison in Colorado, was fondled, and subjected to vile sex talk. During this time Tony Alamo would not allow her to go home to her parents. She and her family have been out of the Alamo cult since 1996. Cindi Jo F. was married and had two children (and was pregnant) when her husband was kicked out of the group. When he was kicked out Alamo demanded that Cindi Jo come to live with the “harem” in Colorado. She was being groomed as a wife. “His message to me was if I didn’t become one of the wives, my daughter would die. In my state of mind, (brainwashed) I believed him. I agreed to become one of the wives. Shortly after, I was sent a pass to the prison.” She visited Tony in prison and was subjected to vile sex talk. (She left the group in 1995.) In Dec 1995 Tony was moved to Federal prison in Texarkana, Arkansas. In July 1998 Alamo was moved to a halfway house in Texarkana. In Dec 1998 he was released from prison.   raining New member Username: raining Post Number: 13 Registered: 1-2006 Posted From: 67.114.9.136 Posted on Saturday, January 12, 2008 - 6:41 pm:        Posted on Monday, September 03, 2007 - 11:48 pm: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Tony Alamo is a pedophile (raping, molesting & fondling young female children). He molests and rapes girls as young as 8 years old, then calls them his “wife” and proceeds to brag about “how tight they were” on his pulpit all the while professing to be a holy man of God. Tony Alamo is an abuser of under age children. He orchestrates and sanctions the marriages between young female children and older men. A few cases are: Jackie Garner at 12 years old was married to Dale Shono (a 30 year old). Wendy Tiner married at 12 yrs old to a much older man. Rachel Scheff at 13 years old married to Tom Neverdal (age 22), an illegal alien from Europe. On March 5th 2006 the Ft. Smith, Arkansas police department was alerted to an illegal wedding between 13yr old Leah Willis to a 34 year old ex-convict. Alamo’s followers are so afraid of being kicked out of the group, put on extended fasts, or beaten that they willingly do whatever tyranny he dictates, including giving these men their young, innocent 12 and 13 year old daughters as brides. Tony Alamo is a striker (has ordered the brutal beatings of countless men, women, and children for well over 35 years and in some instances administering the beatings himself). He has been drunk on numerous occasions, at which point he beat and/or raped one or more of his many wives all the while professing to be a holy man of God. Tony Alamo is a plagiarist (changing a few paragraphs then claiming authorship of Fred John Meldau’s the Messiah Book) all the while professing to be a holy man of God. Tony Alamo is a deceiver for profit. His organization, Arm Full of Help, is a front to fund his lavish lifestyle, his radio broadcasts, and the enormous amounts of literature produced and distributed annually to propagate his radical agenda. Tony Alamo is an opportunist. He uses his followers for his own gain by taking all that they have and leaving them no way out (even if they wanted out) and living lavishly off of their efforts. They give him everything and get beaten, starved, and raped in return and they call him “World Pastor”. They obey his every wish.   wilma Advanced Member Username: wilma Post Number: 666 Registered: 1-2006 Posted From: 72.185.141.125 Posted on Saturday, January 12, 2008 - 8:10 pm:        Les Wood/itistrue, As usual, you're spouting off and MISINFORMED in regards to your comment: "No you dont talk to Tammi regular,And I never said that I am les wood and you have not talked to Tammi in over a I think its 2 months now." Wrong about Tami. (and just like in the past, you skirted and lied about being Les Wood) So, I'll ask point blank....if you are NOT Les Wood then WhO are you. If you skirt the issue I'll assume you are Les. Thanks for posting the above factual information, Raining. Anyone who was truly concerned about people would be disgusted at the horrors that Tony has perpetrated against innocent people. SusieG   itistrue Member Username: itistrue Post Number: 63 Registered: 1-2008 Posted From: 76.251.148.76 Posted on Saturday, January 12, 2008 - 8:13 pm:        What proof do you have of this 8 year old incident and how do you know these girls married at 12 years old ?where you in the church in 2000? asking because that is when those girls where that age,and if you are a eyewittness then charges can be file,all you have to do is go to the police,are you a eyewittness? That is a federal offence,can you wittness that rainning?   itistrue Member Username: itistrue Post Number: 64 Registered: 1-2008 Posted From: 76.251.148.76 Posted on Saturday, January 12, 2008 - 8:19 pm:        Assume what you want,I am who I am. You are who you are and would you like for me to get Tammi to tell what your words are wilma?. Tammi will not lie for you or me.   anchored Junior Member Username: anchored Post Number: 50 Registered: 1-2006 Posted From: 71.205.65.52 Posted on Saturday, January 12, 2008 - 9:07 pm:        Less Brains/youarefalse, You are a nut job. Go away!   wilma Advanced Member Username: wilma Post Number: 667 Registered: 1-2006 Posted From: 72.185.141.125 Posted on Saturday, January 12, 2008 - 9:39 pm:        LOL! Yes, as a matter of fact, I challenge you "to get Tammi to tell what your words are wilma" (whatever that is supposed to mean). Go for it, Les. susieg   raining New member Username: raining Post Number: 14 Registered: 1-2006 Posted From: 67.114.9.136 Posted on Sunday, January 13, 2008 - 2:02 am:        This information was taken from "Tony Alamo's Secrets Exposed" tract. "Tony Alamo is an abuser of under age children. He orchestrates and sanctions the marriages between young female children and older men. A few cases are: Jackie Garner at 12 years old was married to Dale Shono (a 30 year old). Wendy Tiner married at 12 yrs old to a much older man. Rachel Scheff at 13 years old married to Tom Neverdal (age 22), an illegal alien from Europe. On March 5th 2006 the Ft. Smith, Arkansas police department was alerted to an illegal wedding between 13yr old Leah Willis to a 34 year old ex-convict. Alamo’s followers are so afraid of being kicked out of the group, put on extended fasts, or beaten that they willingly do whatever tyranny he dictates, including giving these men their young, innocent 12 and 13 year old daughters as brides." end of quote from "Tony Alamo's Secrets Exposed" Hey itistrue - if you want to see the wedding picture of 12 year old Jackie Gardner, standing in her wedding dress with her mother shelly & sister Missy go to Alamo Ministries Watch. Told ya tony alamo has turned his followers into pedophiles just like him! How many testimonies from rape victims do you have to hear before you stop trying to defend that raping pedophile Tony Alamo. Katrina was 12 years old when she told me what Tony Alamo did to her and all the perverted sexual things he described in detail to her! The feds know about Tony Alamo having sex with under-age girls and being a polygamist. It was bought out at Tony Alamo's tax evasion case. I'll find the newspaper article for you and post it AGAIN! You also can read the court transcripts and read tony alamo's own words when asked about his many wives and how he evoked the 5th admendment 10 times!   raining New member Username: raining Post Number: 15 Registered: 1-2006 Posted From: 67.114.9.136 Posted on Sunday, January 13, 2008 - 2:13 am:        Here is Katrina's mother's testimony that was posted on factnet... Posted on Factnet - Friday, October 28, 2005 - Katrina Here is what I know regarding Tony Alamo: I came to the foundation a long time ago and I really got saved and filled with the Holy Spirit and dedicated my life to serving the Lord Jesus Christ. Throughout the years I kept my eyes glued on God and minded my own business. To make a long story short, about 10 years ago, during the time when Tony Alamo was in prison he had asked if my 12 year old daughter, Katrina could come and stay at his house to be a companion to his stepdaughter, Rebecca, who also had been a good friend to my daughter. They were to be home schooled together. It sounded fine to my daughter and me. At first I heard regularly from my daughter but after awhile I stopped being contacted. This started to really bother me so I told Tony I wanted her back home. Of course Tony rebuked me and told me I was interfering with God's will. Much to my relief my daughter was sent home shortly after the rebuke from Tony Alamo. After Katrina returned home I was told by her the most horrifying story I had ever heard about Tony Alamo. The perverted things he was doing and the appalling things that he had poisoned my daughter with. When she would go to the prison along with other little girls, ages ranging anywhere from 11 years to 17 years, Tony would not talk to them about the Bible, like I would expect, but rather Tony Alamo would tell them that they were to be his wives...some already were!! He warned them not to tell their parents, because they wouldn’t understand and may cause a scene! Katrina was given explicit details of everything from oral sex, how Tony and his other little-girl wives were going to have threesomes once he was out of prison, he also bragged about the (supposed) size of his penis, and many other disgusting pornographic subjects that would repel any decent adult. This little girl who never watched TV or heard a cuss word was freaked out by the things “Papa Tony” told her. Katrina would tell me how, when in the prison visiting room, the girls would take turns being shields and keeping their eyes open for the guards while Tony would reach his dirty, perverted hands up the girls blouses, etc! Needless, to say I was sickened beyond description upon learning these sordid details and moved fast and far away from that horrid place very soon afterwards. I don't like to think about Tony and the atrocities that are, to this day taking place there still, and from what I hear, are more brazen and bad than ever before. I felt it was my responsibility as someone who knew first hand of the truths regarding this perverted Tony Alamo. To share it, if peradventure, it could help someone out. I know my little 12 year old girl did not make that stuff up; she heard it from the self-proclaimed 'world pastor, Tony Alamo'. I am thankful to the Lord Jesus from the depths of my heart for delivering my family out of the Alamo Foundation. It truly does amaze and sadden me that some mothers and fathers, some still in the Alamo Foundation and that they would allow their precious little girls to be offered up to that perverted, child molesting old man...to have sex with and be subject to his deviate sexual abuses. Imagine yourselves for one moment back when you were 10. 11, 12 years old and your own mom or dad forcing you to “marry” a 70 some year old man and have him on top of you, raping you!   raining New member Username: raining Post Number: 17 Registered: 1-2006 Posted From: 67.114.9.136 Posted on Sunday, January 13, 2008 - 2:19 am:        Newspaper: The Commercial Appeal Article: Alamo Found Guilty of Tax Evasion, Jailed Date: 06/09/1994 "...U.S. Dist. Judge Jon McCalla ordered Alamo held without bond after a government witness testified that Alamo may have committed bigamy and statutory rape in the past 18 months." The Witness, IRS special agent David Kimbrough, quoting one of Alamo's ex-wives, said Alamo took as many as nine wives, mostly teen and some as young as 15 years old. Kimbrough said some of the teenage wives were forced into the church marriages by threats of being thrown out of the church. At least one woman told agents she was forced to have sex with Alamo. McCalla said anyone hearing Wednesday's testimony would be concerned due to "the very great control Mr. Alamo has over a great number of people. Justice Department attorney Christopher Belcher also pointed out that Alamo was a fugitive between mid-1989 and mid-1991, when he was wanted on several criminal charges. He still faces felony child abuse charges in California, where he is accused of ordering the beating of the child of a follower... Kimbrough said members of Alamo's church told IRS agents that they feared for their own daughters because Alamo recently had begun marrying girls as young as 12, and even suggested that he would marry his own stepdaughter, who is 11... For the jurors, Alamo's testimony worked against him, she said: “He said we were sitting in the building of the church of Satan," in reference to his theory of a one-world church... Among the 40 witnesses called by the government were former followers and three of Alamo's ex-wives who detailed his extravagant spending for himself and his wives. An Arkansas banker testified that Alamo alone controlled more than 20 bank accounts in the name of various businesses under the Music Square Church. Alamo took the witness stand himself to deny that he had any income in the years in question. He said that as the pastor, he was supported by the church, and that everything he did was to further his ministry. He invoked the Fifth Amendment 10 times when Belcher asked him whether he had multiple wives   raining New member Username: raining Post Number: 22 Registered: 1-2006 Posted From: 67.114.9.136 Posted on Sunday, January 13, 2008 - 12:49 pm:        When I have time - I'll post some more reminders!   saved_21570 Intermediate Member Username: saved_21570 Post Number: 416 Registered: 1-2006 Posted From: 72.148.187.22 Posted on Sunday, January 13, 2008 - 2:18 pm:        Thank You, to all the brothers and sisters that have told the truth about the violent and brutal behavior of Tony Alamo. I just read "itistrue" from Jan. 11th. I couldn't believe what I was reading! Over and over "itistrue" has stated that Tony Alamo preaches some false doctrine. First of all if some false doctrine was Tony Alamo's only sin, we would have washed our hands of him a long time ago. There are plenty of heretics in the world, and a lot more lost souls, that need the gospel more. Also, it is not some false doctrine. The whole loaf is leavened, there is nothing left but the corpse, the cancer, and hopefully; by God's amazing grace, a few live souls. As far as Splc, my question to anyone foolish enough to listen to the coward who hides behind the screen name "itistrue" is this: God had an unclean beast reprove Balaam. Should the a$$ have been ignored because it was unclean? Raping children is an abomination, even to the sinner who does not know Christ. God will hear their prayers of repentance before he hears the pompous prayers of the hypocrites. Matthew 12:7 "But if ye had known what this meaneth, I will have mercy, and not sacrifice, ye would not have condemned the guiltless."   phahrrrt_detector Member Username: phahrrrt_detector Post Number: 99 Registered: 6-2006 Posted From: 85.234.144.215 Posted on Sunday, January 13, 2008 - 2:48 pm:        > SSS-L-A-MMMM !!! < Wow !!! did u heer dat bat K-r-r-a-c-k ?!! uh nudder home run by Sue B folkz! & dem baysis wuz lowded 2 ! Well wood u loohk aht dat !! da puff-toad iz hoppin bak & 4th ohn da side linz jez uh swairin uhp uh storhm (Kwik ! ahl u mommaz bettah cuver yer kidz earz) hez n uh mad dawg foamin frenzee he iz ! lookz lahk hez bowt reddy 2 bench ol Itistrue frum da pit-churz mownd yep po Itistrue iz jez plum owt uv con-troll speekin uv witch lookz lahk dat ol troll The fbi iz chaffin 2 git n-2 da gaym buht o no ! dat bozo wuz n sech uh hurry he dun tied both hiz shu-laysez 2gethur maykn hayst 2 git 2 da feeld he dun trippd smak dab n-2 da toad & sint him sprawlin hi-heelz n ahl ! wut uh mess ! hmmm ? hoo wil da toad sind n nex ? Phahrrrt detecter   jackrussell Intermediate Member Username: jackrussell Post Number: 378 Registered: 8-2006 Posted From: 70.126.185.30 Posted on Sunday, January 13, 2008 - 3:19 pm:        "SO WHAT IF HE SENDS SOME BIBLES OUT AND GIVES MONEY FOR A CITY PARK AND BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH. THOSE "GOOD DEEDS" DO NOT ERASE THE EVIL HE DOES USING OUR LORD AND SAVIOR AS A TOOL TO FURTHER HIS OWN PERVERTED LUSTS!" posted by Raining Been out of town for a week, wow, a lot of good pertinent stuff to read and perhaps respond to. Even in this I believe Tony Alamo plagarized the mafia. In the former 'thug' days TA learned tricks of the trade from some of his lowlife scammer buddies on the periphery of the Jewish and Italian mafia. His sweetie was formerly married to Sal Lepkowitz(sic) another bird of a feather flocking together. Understand that just a few decades earlier certain 'Italian families' from Sicily brought to America the ways and means to buy favors, votes, power and 'goodness' as a 'hood'wink to persuade the doubting public thru the media how beneficent they (falsely so) were. Do you think Bugsy Siegel, the Lucianos, Gambino family and Capone just built a couple parks? Heck no. They blew up businesses, then rebuilt them and sold the first american insurance! They donated millions to the Catholic church for the building and upkeep of Cathedrals, etc. and, of course, they had many politicians and law enforcement types on the payroll. Did all the newfound employment generated, justify where all the tainted money came from and the immoral and violent lifestyles of those perpetuating same? The good that 'twas done was a grand ulterior motive to simply divide and conquer thru such smoke and mirrors to receive the spoils to consume upon their carnal lusts and vainglory that are never satisfied. This is like Tony Alamos real story!! And, at least the mafia would never stoop so low to say they are 'WORLD PASTOR' rotflol! Smalltime Tony, builds a couple parks, beats up kids, deflowers beautiful innocent young women/girls in this 'holier than thou' disguise, and so on and now at 73 1/2 hopes he is healthy enough to live as a centenerian so he does not have to face God yet with the video replay of his life without the Blood of Jesus excusing his soul, as he decided to throw away when he revelled in the above acts??!! I am not judging, but really Tony, it just don't look too good. Maybe you could consult with the Ted Williams' family and they could enlighten your followers with the freeze play, and you could come back a little later, of course, as an old man, and try it again, and delay further, having to crossover into eternity into one of the next worlds, oops!   heynow New member Username: heynow Post Number: 20 Registered: 12-2006 Posted From: 71.143.112.5 Posted on Sunday, January 13, 2008 - 3:31 pm:        No I don't think the cyrogenics is a trustworthy method. Freezing somebody and then Thar (thaw?) em out later is just not gonna work IMHO. Isn't there a scripture that says something like.."After death comes the judgement." It doesn't say "After tharing out comes judgment.   itistrue Member Username: itistrue Post Number: 72 Registered: 1-2008 Posted From: 76.251.148.76 Posted on Sunday, January 13, 2008 - 11:12 pm:        13136 seirra hwy saugus ca.91350 is Holy Grounds and God want's it back. Tony alamo said that God never wanted him back there ever ever again tony said that god will never want him there again,and there is alot of brothers and sisters who can wittness tony making that statement over and over again,and most of those brothers and sister are still there and can wittness the one brother who told tony over the phone intercom and had alot of hearing wittnesses,tell tony that God wanted him (not tony),to open the church in saugus again,tony told him to go,he went and got all the saugus property back. Again God told him,not tony,to go back and get the property back,he went and after he got all the property back tony told him to go back to arkansas and then he could go back,he went back and when he finish his work in arkansas,he said to tony,I am ready to go back to l.a.,tony replies find your own way.   pharsez_n_phariseez Member Username: pharsez_n_phariseez Post Number: 51 Registered: 11-2006 Posted From: 85.234.144.215 Posted on Sunday, January 13, 2008 - 11:26 pm:        Why so secretive? Who was that brother and what year did this happen?   pharsez_n_phariseez Member Username: pharsez_n_phariseez Post Number: 52 Registered: 11-2006 Posted From: 85.234.144.215 Posted on Monday, January 14, 2008 - 3:19 pm:        Duh! I\\'m still waiting for an answer from you on this Itistrue. For all you told you must have that answer too   pharsez_n_phariseez Member Username: pharsez_n_phariseez Post Number: 56 Registered: 11-2006 Posted From: 85.234.144.215 Posted on Monday, January 14, 2008 - 3:57 pm:        Hello Itistrue cat got your tongue?   itistrue Member Username: itistrue Post Number: 78 Registered: 1-2008 Posted From: 76.251.148.76 Posted on Monday, January 14, 2008 - 4:08 pm:        saved_21570 Matthew 12:3,But he said unto them, Have ye not read what David did, when he was an hungred, and they that were with him; 4,How he entered into the house of God, and did eat the shewbread, which was not lawful for him to eat, neither for them which were with him, but only for the priests? 5,Or have ye not read in the lw, how that on the sabbath days the priests in the temple profane the sabbath, and are blameless? 6,But I say unto you, That in this place is one greater than the temple. 7,But if ye had known what this meaneth, I will have mercy, and not sacrifice, ye would not have condemned the guiltless. 8,For the Son of man is Lord even of the sabbath day. When you seen tony committing these sinful acts saved_21570,what did you do?   saved_21570 Intermediate Member Username: saved_21570 Post Number: 418 Registered: 1-2006 Posted From: 72.148.187.22 Posted on Monday, January 14, 2008 - 4:45 pm:        I decided to defend the innocent, and I sealed it with my given name. What did you do? Oh yea, that's right: You said that Tony Alamo's molestation and rape of young girls; "Put it on a scale weighs out way better, than the splc." We all make choices. I can live with the one I made. I hope you can live with yours. Tom Alford